Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-01-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
One of the iPhone aps does the same thing. I think it is Dragon Naturally speaking. I would guess that Google Voice auto bowdlerizes as well.. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Weird. We recently turned off the cuss filter on our forum, only to have one of our

Re: [CGUYS] Better than a UPS

2010-01-24 Thread Jeff Miles
I saw a news story or show, can't remember which now, that showed a country, New Zealand, Iceland or someplace like that, who've determined to go totally green when it comes to electric cars. Instead of gas stations they have battery stations. The country requires that the batteries be

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Jeff Miles
This isn't quite correct. I've been a professional photographer for almost 30 years. I retired from it professionally full time a few years back. Anyway, unless you lock up the mirror on your SLR you've got lag time. Many cheaper SLRs didn't have this capability. But the photographer

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow, bringing back memories now. My first SLR was (I think it was called) a Practica. It had the screw mount interchangeable lenses. Talk about impractical. But damn near indestructible. Much like my Nikon F3 was. You could throw those cameras across the room, pick them up and they'd

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Marcio
I started with the Argus C3. Anyone remember? Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Sent: Jan 24, 2010 9:44 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag Wow, bringing back memories now. My first SLR was (I think

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Mike Sloane
Yes, back in the '50s, I ran a lot of BW pan film through a C3 and developed it myself (I still have the negatives and prints somewhere...). Then I went to a Kodak Retina, which was advanced by comparison. The next was Pentax K1000 with a large bag full of lenses and accessories. When I

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Tony B
Is THAT what burst mode is good for? I read about it when I got my camera but it seemed useless. Agreed on the ridiculous number of people getting DSLRs these days. This past christmas we had several more local housewives get them as gifts, and of course none of them even know how to resize a

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
The Argus was my dad's good camera. I shot and developed a little bit in High School with it. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Mike Sloane mikeslo...@verizon.net wrote: Yes, back in the '50s, I ran a lot of BW pan film through a C3 and developed it myself (I still have the negatives and

Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-01-24 Thread mike
Another case of political correctness run amok. Heaven forbid adults get to say what they want. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:50 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: One of the iPhone aps does the same thing. I think it is Dragon Naturally speaking. I would guess that Google

Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-01-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:31 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Another case of political correctness run amok.  Heaven forbid adults get to say what they want. I would not think this situation to be directly related to political correctness. This is another type of correctness, rooted

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Marcio
I used Panasonic X film had smal grains. Then we had Plus X. Good old days. When color came in I no longer could work in the lab.What a pain. Marcio -Original Message- From: Mike Sloane mikeslo...@verizon.net Sent: Jan 24, 2010 11:53 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re:

Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-01-24 Thread mike
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=politically%20correct I think the first definition is the best. Those who are too politically correct might find it offensive. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:49 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:31 AM, mike

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Marcio
Yes 35 mm, black and white. I used to develop and enlarge the pictures. Dou you know that they still seel her in E-Bay? You can see how it dominated inte scenario of photogtapphy in Wikipedia... Marcio -Original Message- From: John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 24,

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Robert Carroll
Marcio wrote: I started with the Argus C3. Anyone remember? Marcio I remember, although I never owned the C3. I had an Argus C44, and still do. This was followed by my first SLR, a Topcon RE Super. It had a removable prism to change the view screen, and was the only camera that

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Robert Carroll
Marcio wrote: I used Panasonic X film had smal grains. Then we had Plus X. Good old days. When color came in I no longer could work in the lab.What a pain. Marcio I think the fine-grain BW film was Kodak Panatomic. Speed ASA 25. Plus X had speed 100, Tri-X speed 400. I like shooting

Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-01-24 Thread Steve at Verizon
There is a simple answer to this. The software should have a preference setting. One for, ask me: did you really mean to say the f word? One for, I'm a foul mouth, don't ask. John Duncan Yoyo wrote: One of the iPhone aps does the same thing. I think it is Dragon Naturally speaking. I would

Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-01-24 Thread mike
Or maybe it shouldn't be judgmental and just output the input. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Steve at Verizon stevet...@verizon.netwrote: There is a simple answer to this. The software should have a preference setting. One for, ask me: did you really mean to say the f word? One for, I'm

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 11:47 AM -0500 1/24/10, Robert Carroll wrote: [snippage] I can't remember the name of a Kodak color slide film that rendered false colors. For example, a blue sky would appear reddish pink, and nearly every color was replaced by a greatly differing color. This was way before Photoshop

Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-01-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:31 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Another case of political correctness run amok. Heaven forbid adults get to say what they want. I would not think this situation to be

Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-01-24 Thread tjpa
On Jan 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, mike wrote: Or maybe it shouldn't be judgmental and just output the input. Did you read Google's explanation, which I think is a good one? They don't have enough confidence in the software. They want to avoid the situation where somebody said something

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread tjpa
On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Robert Carroll wrote: My daughter three years ago took photography in high school. There they still use BW film in cameras and learn to develop and print in a darkroom. I loaned her my Pentax Super ME to take the class. I was quite upset to find that the

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread mike
You wanted him to learn how to fire howitzers? On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:49 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Robert Carroll wrote: My daughter three years ago took photography in high school. There they still use BW film in cameras and learn to develop and print

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread tjpa
On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:37 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: This isn't quite correct. I've been a professional photographer for almost 30 years. I retired from it professionally full time a few years back. Anyway, unless you lock up the mirror on your SLR you've got lag time. Many cheaper SLRs didn't

[CGUYS] SOS -- Outlook Express Destroying Emails as soon as they're opened

2010-01-24 Thread Gail Miller
Suddenly -- this morning -- My Outlook Express destroys each email that it optns. It will show up in the search function (in a box) but it cannot open the file from there. We recently did a test and once opened it disappeared. It shows in the result box of the search function as in the 'INBOX

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Marcio
I used to have a nice amplifier to enlarge the photos and I could do many tricks in the dark room. And there were many kinds of developpers for films and papers and many kinds of papers. Great. Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Jan 24, 2010 5:49 PM To:

[CGUYS] iPod connection

2010-01-24 Thread Stephen Brownfield
Do any of the current iPods connect via firewire or are they all solely USB 2 now? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] SOS -- Outlook Express Destroying Emails as soon as they're opened

2010-01-24 Thread Ellen Rains Harris
Close OE. Search for files with the suffix .dbx and move them to a seperate folder. Open OE and it should automatically rebuild the .dbx files. If it doesn't you will need to replace the .dbx files to their previous locations. This is my best bet. Good luck. - Original Message -

[CGUYS] Buried by an Earthquake? -- There's an app for that

2010-01-24 Thread tjp
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/24/haiti.survivor.phone.app/ Trapped in the ruins of the Hotel Montana in Port-au-Prince... The application on his iPhone is filled with information about first aid and CPR from the American Heart Association. So I knew I wasn't making

Re: [CGUYS] SOS -- Outlook Express Destroying Emails as soon as they're opened

2010-01-24 Thread tjpa
On Jan 24, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Gail Miller wrote: Suddenly -- this morning -- My Outlook Express destroys each email that it optns. It will show up in the search function (in a box) but it cannot open the file from there. We recently did a test and once opened it disappeared. It shows in the

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread mike
It's always credible to learn the history and art behind the work you are doing. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:07 PM, mike wrote: You wanted him to learn how to fire howitzers? That would have been more useful.

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread mike
So your son took a class called 'digital photography' and then they made him learn about developing? On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:49 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Robert Carroll wrote: My daughter three years ago took photography in high school. There they still

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread b_s-wilk
One can learn to anticipate a lag of a few 1/10s of a second. A lag of 2 or 3 seconds is a completely different matter requiring the photographer to become a fortune teller. I borrowed a Nikon for a vacation that had such a lag and found it completely impossible for candid photos. I have such a

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There is an app for that. Comes from FT. Sill home of Army Field Artillery. Hoaah! :-) Stewart At 02:07 PM 1/24/2010, you wrote: You wanted him to learn how to fire howitzers? On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:49 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: I was quite upset to find that the photography

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 24, 2010, at 5:25 PM, mike wrote: So your son took a class called 'digital photography' and then they made him learn about developing? There goes Mike again. Trying to respond to CGUYS posts while simultaneously in three chat rooms, streaming youtube and hulu videos, shopping for

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread mike
Actually I just like making you dance on command. On Jan 24, 2010 7:44 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2010, at 5:25 PM, mike wrote: So your son took a class called 'digital photography' a... There goes Mike again. Trying to respond to CGUYS posts while simultaneously in three

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Robert Carroll
Roger D. Parish wrote: At 11:47 AM -0500 1/24/10, Robert Carroll wrote: [snippage] I can't remember the name of a Kodak color slide film that rendered false colors. For example, a blue sky would appear reddish pink, and nearly every color was replaced by a greatly differing color. This was

[CGUYS] Buried by an Earthquake? -- There's an app for that

2010-01-24 Thread betty
iPhone app is Pocket First Aid and CPR, $3.99. Betty -- telecommuting is just another way of saying lying naked with your laptop on the front lawn. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] Buried by an Earthquake? -- There's an app for that

2010-01-24 Thread mike
So we can have an app tells how to *save lives*, but not one that might spell out the word shit? On Jan 24, 2010 8:43 PM, betty b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: iPhone app is Pocket First Aid and CPR, $3.99. Betty -- telecommuting is just another way of saying lying naked with your laptop on the

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Jeff Miles
I don't know if that was it's original intent, but that's what I use it for. It's great for shooting things in motion. Such a case was my visit to the butterfly garden in Victoria Canada. Even while sitting on a leaf they'd keep moving their wings. This was very annoying, trying to get

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 2:49 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: I was quite upset to find that the photography class my son was taking wasted many hours teaching them how to develop film and make prints in the darkroom. Completely useless skills. Completely useless? How so? How does he feel

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Jeff Miles
You still have the submarine? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Robert Carroll wrote: Marcio wrote: I started with the Argus C3. Anyone remember? Marcio I

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:01 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Completely useless? How so? How does he feel about the experience? No I'm not going there. If you think learning to load film into a developing tank is a useful skill, you are going to have to defend it.

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Film is not dead. It may have died in the consumer level but it is still used in commercial production. If your child is going to make it in the photography field he has to learn from the ground up. It is like getting a CIS degree and not know how the stupid machine works or is built. By

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread mike
Tom doesn't understand the art part behind photography, only the mechanics of taking digital photos. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:16 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:01 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Completely useless? How so? How does he feel about the experience?

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Fred Holmes
Had one of those myself. ca. 1950. Marvelous camera. Took lots of good pictures on Kodachrome, Ektachrome, and B/W. B/W was called Pan-X, Plus-X and Tri-X IIRC, but I'm having trouble really remembering it. Fred Holmes At 08:28 PM 1/20/2010, Marcio wrote: Back thereI received several

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Fred Holmes
At 09:19 AM 1/24/2010, Tony B wrote: none of them even know how to resize a digital photo for posting, much less how to adjust a lens. What is the best process for resizing a digital photograph? What application does one use? I presume that the high-end photo-manipulators all do a good job,

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Fred Holmes
I don't recall its name, but there was an infrared film that was used to detect camouflage (or items that were being camouflaged). While the camouflage fooled the naked eye, it didn't fool this film. It could also be used for special effects. Fred Holmes At 11:47 AM 1/24/2010, Robert Carroll

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread Jeff Miles
I showed my mom Graphic Converter. It's for the Mac, don't know if they have a Windows version. And it's cheap. I think it was $25, but might be more now. She uses it all the time. I finally got her off of using iPhoto. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread mike
Pretty much the build in stuff in any OS can manage a simple resizing...AFAIK. I've never had a problem. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: At 09:19 AM 1/24/2010, Tony B wrote: none of them even know how to resize a digital photo for posting, much less how to

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread mike
Yah GC is good, no windows version AFAIK...IRFAN view is out there though. Pretty good for windows. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I showed my mom Graphic Converter. It's for the Mac, don't know if they have a Windows version. And it's cheap. I

[CGUYS] YouTube videos

2010-01-24 Thread b_s-wilk
What's the best format and easiest way to go from DV cam to upload to youtube? I made the mistake of using iMovie instead of Final Cut. Do I need to start over? Is there an export setting that works? So far, after trying to export 3 times, they all look terrible, but original video looks

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:16 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:01 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:  Completely useless?  How so?  How does he feel about the experience? No I'm not going there. If you think learning to load film into a developing tank is a useful

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:53 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Can't you think of anything about working with film that is of use in digital photography? Nope. Nothing. I learned more about gamma after spending 30 minutes with Digital Darkroom than I did after spending 3 months dicking around

Re: [CGUYS] YouTube videos

2010-01-24 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:23 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: I made the mistake of using iMovie instead of Final Cut. Do I need to start over? Is there an export setting that works? So far, after trying to export 3 times, they all look terrible, but original video looks excellent, even on a 42 TV.

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Do you know how to dodge a photo? Overexpose to make it look better, underexpose it to get certain effects. Double expose to get a different effect. You don't learn that unless you start off loading film into canisters!!

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-24 Thread mike
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/filmdig.htm A good if not long article on the subject. Some highlights. *Neither is better on an absolute basis. The choice depends on your application. Once you know your application the debate goes away. The debate only exists when people presume erroneously