Re: [CGUYS] MS emerg security update - anyone notice monitor pr

2008-11-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
I sleep my MacBook Pro (running 10.4.11) all the time, numerous times  
a day. Sometimes there will be a dozen programs open for weeks. I  
think your issues with sleep have been solved.

So far so good.

Now should I also set it to have my hard drive spin down when it sleeps? 
That setting used to give me really big headaches.


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Re: [CGUYS] MS emerg security update - anyone notice monitor pr

2008-11-06 Thread chad evans wyatt
Same OS, same result:  sleep numerous times a day, hard drive spun down.  Never 
a problem.

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Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 9:14 AM

I sleep my MacBook Pro (running 10.4.11) all the time, numerous times  
a day. Sometimes there will be a dozen programs open for weeks. I  
think your issues with sleep have been solved.

So far so good.

Now should I also set it to have my hard drive spin down when it sleeps? 
That setting used to give me really big headaches.


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Re: [CGUYS] terabyte

2008-11-06 Thread b_s-wilk



Buy a PCI controller card


 If I buy a 1tb external usb drive,


Hey folks, this is a question about an *external* drive. You keep 
providing answers for *internal* drives.


If the drive doesn't need to be portable, an internal drive is more 
convenient to use, but it can have some limitations which have been 
addressed. We have too many external drives, so we added two internal 
drives and cleared off our desks.


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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
Have you experimented with using rsync?  It is native to the mac and can 
be run through applescript I think.  From what I recall, rsync will back 
up only the changes to the file although I can not find that explicitly 
stated one way or the other at the moment.


Matthew

Tom Piwowar wrote:
The problem is backing up Entourage email files. Heavy email users will 
often have an MS Entourage database file that is 2 to 6 GB in size. 
(Entourage stores everything in one huge file.)


The Entourage database file will change with every arriving email. If 
Entourage is set to check for mail every 5 minutes the Entourage database 
file will change 12 times an hour. 

Apple's Time Machine runs hourly. It does incremental backups at the file 
level. It won't backup just the part of a large file that changed.


If TimeMachine's hourly run tries to back up a file this large to a 
network volume the copy time will exceed 5 minutes. So the file is 
changing faster than the Time Machine backup can copy it.


So how to backup an MS Entourage database file?

I read someplace that a recent Apple update supports Time Machine 
incremental backups at the sub-file level, but now I can't find that info 
anywhere. Was I just dreaming?


If I setup a separate backup program just for the Entourage database 
file, a backup to a network volume will slow down the client computer for 
5 to 20 minutes. Having a bunch of these running will add a significant 
load on the server. So this is not a good option either.


Any ideas? (Yes, now it is my turn to say that suggestions to dump 
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Re: [CGUYS] terabyte

2008-11-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
If the drive doesn't need to be portable, an internal drive is more 
convenient to use, but it can have some limitations which have been 
addressed. We have too many external drives, so we added two internal 
drives and cleared off our desks.

You could just buy a larger desk.


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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
Have you experimented with using rsync?  It is native to the mac and can 
be run through applescript I think.  From what I recall, rsync will back 
up only the changes to the file although I can not find that explicitly 
stated one way or the other at the moment.

Good idea, rsync works at the block level, not the file level. (I Googled 
rsync block level and got that quickly confirmed.)

So I need an AppleScript that shuts down Entourage, runs rsync, and then 
restarts Entourage.

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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
Can they set entourage to archive mail periodically to make the file  
smaller?  Several small files instead of the one huge file.

Curiously, Entourage puts everything into one huge file. It doesn't 
matter if you create new folders. They still are part of the same huge 
database file.

I could archive by exporting to an external file, but that would get very 
messy for any group of messages that was still active (as I suspect most 
are).

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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread mike
I agree...I detest working with Outlook because of this problem.  Archiving
to me is as good as putting something you know you are going to need into a
file cabinet in the back storage area under lock and key when it should be
on your desk.  To note also, the max recommended .pst is less then 2 gigs.
You are on your own if you exceed that.  MS's forces the archive issue
eventually.

Mike

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can they set entourage to archive mail periodically to make the file
 smaller?  Several small files instead of the one huge file.

 Curiously, Entourage puts everything into one huge file. It doesn't
 matter if you create new folders. They still are part of the same huge
 database file.

 I could archive by exporting to an external file, but that would get very
 messy for any group of messages that was still active (as I suspect most
 are).

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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
There is a rather convoluted solution here, including some scripts, that 
could probably be adapted to rsync:


http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2008/01/entourage_and_time_machine.html

and here:

http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2008/01/alternative_method_to_use_entourage_and_time_machine.html

HTH

Tom Piwowar wrote:
Have you experimented with using rsync?  It is native to the mac and can 
be run through applescript I think.  From what I recall, rsync will back 
up only the changes to the file although I can not find that explicitly 
stated one way or the other at the moment.



Good idea, rsync works at the block level, not the file level. (I Googled 
rsync block level and got that quickly confirmed.)


So I need an AppleScript that shuts down Entourage, runs rsync, and then 
restarts Entourage.


I bet the tough part will be figuring out when rsync completes.


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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
The two programs are curiously different. 

Outlook will allow multiple .pst files and will even let you specify the 
location for the .pst file. Unfortunately, Entourage only has one 
database file and you have to keep it at the required location.

Some Entourage users create a new identity annually so they can get a new 
database and switch between identities to view old email. I think this 
method would be a tough sell for non-geek users.

You can export Entourage archive files (.rge), but to view the contents 
of an rge you have to import the files back into Entourage and that dumps 
everything back into the database. This ain't useful. I don't know what 
MS was thinking.

The .rge files are actually packages that can be cracked open. Inside the 
rge emails are stored in mbox format. MS seems to be dancing all around 
doing the right thing, but refusing to do the right thing.

Dunno about Entourage at all, but Outlook provided for an archive .pst 
file as well as the active .pst file.  Then one would keep the active .pst 
file small and back it up often, but back up the archive .pst file only 
after an archive process had been run (say once a week or whatever).  One 
could even keep more than one archive .pst file, so that they didn't get 
too big as well.  Say, start a new archive .pst file at the beginning of 
a new calendar year.  The archive .pst file was created manually on one of 
the Outlook menus, and then would appear as additional mailboxes in the 
left pane of the outlook dialog.  Individual messages were moved to the 
archive .pst file by drag/dropping them from a mailbox in the active .pst 
file to a mailbox in the archive .pst file.


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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
To note also, the max recommended .pst is less then 2 gigs.
You are on your own if you exceed that.  MS's forces the archive issue
eventually.

MS did fix that 2GB limit. First they raised it to 4GB and with the 
latest version they claim no limit except one imposed by the OS. I have 
seen working Entourage database files as large as 8 GB -- having one that 
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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Sacks
Dunno about Entourage at all, but Outlook provided for an archive .pst file 
as well as the active .pst file.  Then one would keep the active .pst file 
small and back it up often, but back up the archive .pst file only after an 
archive process had been run (say once a week or whatever).  One could even 
keep more than one archive .pst file, so that they didn't get too big as 
well.  

That's what you think.  We've got users who keep *every single* email message 
they get - even the NDRs.  One user wouldn't listen and bounced off the 2gb 
limit on her .pst file. But the 2gb limit was with Outlook 2000.
 
Outlook 2003 and 2007 have a 20gb file limit.  We just recently upgraded our 
Exchange server to 2007 and are rolling out new systems with Office 2007.  I'm 
tempted to start a pool on who bounces off the 20gb file size limit for Outlook 
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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2008/01/entourage_and_time_machine.html

Super. This is easier than writing the AppleScript I mentioned before. 
Even easier when I can just download the Automator workflow. I hate 
writing AppleScript. Lousy language.

These guys also thought it through well. It seems that there is an 
Entourage database daemon that keeps the database open even when 
Entourage is not running. So the Automator workflow has the stop/start 
both of them.

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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Sacks
I agree...I detest working with Outlook because of this problem.  Archiving 
to me is as good as putting something you know you are going to need into a
file cabinet in the back storage area under lock and key when it should be
on your desk.  

Know you're going to need?  I archive stuff I think is amusing, interesting or 
evokes some sort of reaction (generally positive), but I don't want to venture 
a guess at hoe often I haven't actually gone looking for the archived stuff.

Sounds to me like you just need a bigger desk.  

To note also, the max recommended .pst is less then 2 gigs.
You are on your own if you exceed that.  MS's forces the archive issue
eventually

You should upgrade from 2000.  Tom provides a nice explanation of the file size 
limits.

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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread mike
Yeah you are right, nice to know the limit is larger.  I haven't had to help
anyone out with outlook for a few years so it's nice to know the limit is
higher.  Still can't bring myself to like Outlook though.

Mike

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree...I detest working with Outlook because of this problem.
  Archiving
 to me is as good as putting something you know you are going to need into
 a
 file cabinet in the back storage area under lock and key when it should be
 on your desk.

 Know you're going to need?  I archive stuff I think is amusing, interesting
 or evokes some sort of reaction (generally positive), but I don't want to
 venture a guess at hoe often I haven't actually gone looking for the
 archived stuff.

 Sounds to me like you just need a bigger desk.

 To note also, the max recommended .pst is less then 2 gigs.
 You are on your own if you exceed that.  MS's forces the archive issue
 eventually

 You should upgrade from 2000.  Tom provides a nice explanation of the file
 size limits.

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[CGUYS] ???Network Configuration - Wiring , Switches and speed

2008-11-06 Thread Michael Drabick
We are moving our office location, and we will be building out a new 
space.  I am trying to find out if it is


1) better to run as many CAT5e/6 wires to the individual rooms plus any 
extras for the future,


or

2) run one CAT5e/6 to each room and put an unmanaged switch in each room 
for the number of devices required.(4,6,8Port)


They have four-port switches you can put in the wall, or even an 
external unit is fine, although less aesthetically pleasing.
Running individual runs to the areas can get extremely expensive, since 
one run can be $100.
Will I have a problem with 13 unmanaged switches in my network bringing 
it to a crawl?


I plan to also have a wireless setup but I like to use wired also as my 
security blanket.


Considering that we may run Voip and computers in each of the 13 areas 
the cost savings of using $15 4Port switches are very big. 
Am I missing something that will make me regret going with unmanaged 
switches


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[CGUYS] tagging photos

2008-11-06 Thread mike
My wife is interested in tagging her 10k + pics of kids and vacation
photos.  I'm looking for an easy to use app to do so and perhaps also work
as a good viewer.  Picasa comes to mind..type a tag into the search field
and all related pics show up?  Anyone have any experience dealing with
tagging this number of photos, any help with speeding up the process would
be appreciated.  Picasa isn't a must, I'm just wondering what app would be
best in that vein, I'm not looking for editing of any kind.

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[CGUYS] Appleworks question

2008-11-06 Thread David Turk
My partner was working on a Word Processing document in Appleworks 6, saved it, 
 when he reopened it, it opened up as a Spreadsheet.  There has to be way to 
reconvert this, right?  I've copied  pasted the info to a TextEdit file, then 
copied  pasted back into an Appleworks Word processing document, but we've 
lost all the formatting.  It's a resume, so there are a lot of formatting 
changes to make.  Any thoughts?  tia.

   david

David Turk
Manager, Preservation Imaging
Indiana Historical Society
450 W. Ohio St.
Indianapolis, IN  46202
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Re: [CGUYS] tagging photos

2008-11-06 Thread Tony B
That's the idea behind tagging. Specifically, to store items by tag, rather
than by folder. But there's no way she's going to sit and manually tag
10,000 pics. There's no 'automatic' way to tag, because the software doesn't
know if that's Uncle George or which vacation it was.

Presumably though, if she's already got them all properly arranged in
sub-folders, an single automatic tag of the folder name could be added.

Probably the first thing she needs to do is discard (or archive, (same
thing)) 99% of them. People overshoot with digital cameras, but you're not
supposed to try to keep all the excess. Get the collection down to 100 pics
and manual tagging becomes possible.


On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:55 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My wife is interested in tagging her 10k + pics of kids and vacation
 photos.  I'm looking for an easy to use app to do so and perhaps also work
 as a good viewer.  Picasa comes to mind..type a tag into the search field
 and all related pics show up?  Anyone have any experience dealing with
 tagging this number of photos, any help with speeding up the process would
 be appreciated.  Picasa isn't a must, I'm just wondering what app would be
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Re: [CGUYS] tagging photos

2008-11-06 Thread Chris Dunford
 There's no 'automatic' way to tag, because the 
 software doesn't know if that's Uncle George or 
 which vacation it was.

Actually, Picasa does know if it's Uncle George. It's obviously not
completely reliable, but it works better than I expected.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/02/picasa-refresh-brings-facial-recognitio
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Re: [CGUYS] Problem: TimeMachine Backup of Entourage Database

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Sacks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008, Mike wrote:

Yeah you are right, nice to know the limit is larger.  I haven't had to help
anyone out with outlook for a few years so it's nice to know the limit is
higher.  Still can't bring myself to like Outlook though.

Mike

I use it because it's what we use at work.  At home, I use Gmail and 
Thunderbird.

Larry


On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree...I detest working with Outlook because of this problem.
  Archiving
 to me is as good as putting something you know you are going to need into
 a
 file cabinet in the back storage area under lock and key when it should be
 on your desk.

 Know you're going to need?  I archive stuff I think is amusing, interesting
 or evokes some sort of reaction (generally positive), but I don't want to
 venture a guess at hoe often I haven't actually gone looking for the
 archived stuff.

 Sounds to me like you just need a bigger desk.

 To note also, the max recommended .pst is less then 2 gigs.
 You are on your own if you exceed that.  MS's forces the archive issue
 eventually

 You should upgrade from 2000.  Tom provides a nice explanation of the file
 size limits.

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Re: [CGUYS] tagging photos

2008-11-06 Thread Tony B
I _did_ say *yet*. I don't use Picasa (or any program that doesn't make it
clear where my pictures are), but from what I understand, all it does is
suggest tags for new pics, it doesn't offer to go through your drive and tag
old pictures.

That would be nice. But of course, the names of the people are only one set
of tags. I imagine eventually they'll figure out a way to analyze the
backgrounds and be able to tag the locations?


On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  There's no 'automatic' way to tag, because the
  software doesn't know if that's Uncle George or
  which vacation it was.

 Actually, Picasa does know if it's Uncle George. It's obviously not
 completely reliable, but it works better than I expected.


 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/02/picasa-refresh-brings-facial-recognitio
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Re: [CGUYS] ???Network Configuration - Wiring , Switches and speed

2008-11-06 Thread Ellen Rains Harris
I have a number of unmanaged switches around our offices for a number of 
reasons and the only problems we've ever had are when we have overload due 
to someone deciding to run three computers in each cubicle... that can drag 
your badwidth a touch.


I don't know how that would work with VoIP.


- Original Message - 
From: Michael Drabick [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:03 PM
Subject: [CGUYS] ???Network Configuration - Wiring , Switches and speed


We are moving our office location, and we will be building out a new 
space.  I am trying to find out if it is


1) better to run as many CAT5e/6 wires to the individual rooms plus any 
extras for the future,


or

2) run one CAT5e/6 to each room and put an unmanaged switch in each room 
for the number of devices required.(4,6,8Port)


They have four-port switches you can put in the wall, or even an external 
unit is fine, although less aesthetically pleasing.
Running individual runs to the areas can get extremely expensive, since 
one run can be $100.
Will I have a problem with 13 unmanaged switches in my network bringing it 
to a crawl?


I plan to also have a wireless setup but I like to use wired also as my 
security blanket.


Considering that we may run Voip and computers in each of the 13 areas the 
cost savings of using $15 4Port switches are very big. Am I missing 
something that will make me regret going with unmanaged switches


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Re: [CGUYS] Appleworks question

2008-11-06 Thread b_s-wilk

David Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:


My partner was working on a Word Processing document in Appleworks 6,
saved it,  when he reopened it, it opened up as a Spreadsheet.
There has to be way to reconvert this, right?  I've copied  pasted
the info to a TextEdit file, then copied  pasted back into an
Appleworks Word processing document, but we've lost all the
formatting.  It's a resume, so there are a lot of formatting changes
to make.  Any thoughts?  tia.


As long as he didn't save it after opening it up as a spreadsheet, he 
can try a few things. When he created the document is he sure that he 
saved it as an AppleWorks file? There's a pull-down menu in the Save 
dialog box that gives a dozen or so file choices.


-Did he open it from the Finder by double-clicking it? Open AppleWorks 
first. Then open the document inside the program.


-Open a new word processing document. Insert the problem file -- 
File--Insert.


-Learn how to use Styles. Define how the formatted text should appear, 
so that it will always look the same as when it was created. 
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Re: [CGUYS] tagging photos

2008-11-06 Thread db
If  your digital camera has GPS, Picasa automatically tags the 
location.   You can manually do so also.


Dan

Tony B wrote:

I _did_ say *yet*. I don't use Picasa (or any program that doesn't make it
clear where my pictures are), but from what I understand, all it does is
suggest tags for new pics, it doesn't offer to go through your drive and tag
old pictures.

That would be nice. But of course, the names of the people are only one set
of tags. I imagine eventually they'll figure out a way to analyze the
backgrounds and be able to tag the locations?


On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  

There's no 'automatic' way to tag, because the
software doesn't know if that's Uncle George or
which vacation it was.
  

Actually, Picasa does know if it's Uncle George. It's obviously not
completely reliable, but it works better than I expected.


http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/02/picasa-refresh-brings-facial-recognitio
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