Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
Wait a minute, she tells you "front right" and then you hear it as coming from the front, and when she tells you rear right you hear it as coming from the rear? That sounds like it could be suggestion to me. As an experiment, try it on an unsuspecting friend with the headphones on backwards and see what they say. It is my understanding that you get a crude sense of direction from the slight time difference between the time it takes a sound to reach each ear, and you get accuracy from moving your head and additional cues such as reflected sound. In high school, I remember reading about an elegant experiment demonstrating the importance of head motion in directional hearing. In the experiment, microphones were attached to the ears of a mannequin head and connected to headphones of a test subject, with both heads pointing the same direction. When the mannequin head was fixed, the subject had very little accuracy in determining the direction that sounds came from. But when the mannequin's head was strapped on top the subject's head and could move with the subject, then the subject's accuracy was greatly improved. Supposedly, 3D headphones work by exaggerating the interference patterns you naturally hear by having sounds from a source reach each ear at different times. To me, this sounds more like producing a hyper-realistic sensation than contributing much in the way of extra information. Everyone's sensory experience is interpreted, and there are experiments galore that show that what we "hear" depends an awful lot on our expectations and visual cues. So it could be for example that in your game you "hear" someone sneaking up behind you because you don't see them on the screen. Come on over than and I'll show you. When she says "Front Right" it definitely sounds forward of when she says "Rear Right". No movement is needed. It may be nice to factor in movement for pinning down a noise in the game world, but more often in games I just want to know if I'm being attacked from the rear. There's little time for waving the head around to try to figure out _where_ behind me the sound is coming from. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack question
I doubt you can disable the notice to any effective degree. Without of course, disabling the telephone. Simply unplug the MJ. A much better solution for VOIP would be something like Vonage, which has a "magic jack" that connects straight to your router, and a regular telephone jack on the other end. So when you get a call, the telephone rings, instead of popping up a window on your computer. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Kelly J. Morris wrote: > I bought MagicJack for my son, who is a gamer. It works fine, except > that instead of just ringing when there is an incoming call, it opens a > big new Window onscreen and prevents him from continuing to play until > he closes it. > > Has anyone had any experience with MagicJack? Is there a way to disable > this feature? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
Not really. At least on this thread, but what the hey, this thread was so off topic it's not like it mattered. It definitely has a high noise to signal ratio. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] MagicJack question
I bought MagicJack for my son, who is a gamer. It works fine, except that instead of just ringing when there is an incoming call, it opens a big new Window onscreen and prevents him from continuing to play until he closes it. Has anyone had any experience with MagicJack? Is there a way to disable this feature? TIA Kelly -- Kelly J. Morris Togo-L * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
Not really. At least on this thread, but what the hey, this thread was so off topic it's not like it mattered. On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Oh come on, the answer to this is easy. Doesn't MS have app. 90% market share? And if so, shouldn't they receive 90% of the bashing? Think about it, how many bad things have you said about Yugos lately? I could not have said it better myself. Now the WFBs need to stop whining and get back on topic. Do you have something pertinent to contribute? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
> Oh come on, the answer to this is easy. Doesn't MS have app. 90% >market share? And if so, shouldn't they receive 90% of the bashing? >Think about it, how many bad things have you said about Yugos lately? I could not have said it better myself. Now the WFBs need to stop whining and get back on topic. Do you have something pertinent to contribute? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
On Jan 15, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Tom Piwowar Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've flogged it to DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret. Everyone agrees with you now, you've beaten everyone to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a scourge. I use Windows all the time. Probably half the time most days. Why is it okay for me to be pissy about Apple's problems, but blasphemy to write similar things about MS? It's how much you heap on MS versus how much you heap on Apple. This doesn't mention the level of the vitriol you have for one over the other. Oh come on, the answer to this is easy. Doesn't MS have app. 90% market share? And if so, shouldn't they receive 90% of the bashing? Think about it, how many bad things have you said about Yugos lately? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
dfsdirectsales off lease machines seem to me to be older and more expensive than the outlet machines db Eric S. Sande wrote: Would it make a difference if they started with an off-lease Dell workstation from http://www.dfsdirectsales.com/, or are those too old? They have some drawbacks as gaming machines, to put it charitably. Principally in the areas of graphics capability and power supply. Not to mention proprietary parts. I hate to say it but those machines even in their youth weren't designed for the mission. They're nearly identical to the issue HP machine I use at work. Perfectly good for what they were made to do (somewhat overpriced IMHO since you can get a new "barebones" kit at say Tiger Direct for less money with a dual core processor and much bigger hard drive). One of the advantages of "rolling your own" is that you get to make the decisions about what is important and what isn't. And you can spec industry standard parts from known sources that are separately warrantied, or you can go OEM and save money. You'll know exactly what's in the box. It isn't necessary to mortgage the farm to build a decent gaming computer, though. Well under $1000 will get you a high end mobo, a mid range graphics card, big SATA hard drive, optical drive, and a big, name brand power supply with all modular cabling, Windows XP Pro SP3 (still the best gaming OS) and all the bits (case, keyboard, mouse, etc). Monitor not included. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
Tom Piwowar >>Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've >>flogged it to DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret. >>Everyone agrees with you now, you've beaten everyone >>to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a >>scourge. > I use Windows all the time. Probably half the time most > days. > Why is it okay for me to be pissy about Apple's problems, > but blasphemy to write similar things about MS? It's how much you heap on MS versus how much you heap on Apple. This doesn't mention the level of the vitriol you have for one over the other. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Very good, Einstein - but next time show your work * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
I can see a gamer buying a new graphics card with each game purchased. My experience has been that mid range graphics cards are usually going to be adequate for about half the processor lifespan. My P4 platform got one midlife graphics upgrade about 3 years in and wasn't retired (as a game machine) until 2006. I figure I'll run what I have now until 2010 and then look at an upgrade. No reason to do that at this time, though. In 2006 what I put in was VERY high end, I really haven't run the cost analysis. It's a fact that gaming hardware depriciates faster than a Zimbabwe dollar, though. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
Would it make a difference if they started with an off-lease Dell workstation from http://www.dfsdirectsales.com/, or are those too old? They have some drawbacks as gaming machines, to put it charitably. Principally in the areas of graphics capability and power supply. Not to mention proprietary parts. I hate to say it but those machines even in their youth weren't designed for the mission. They're nearly identical to the issue HP machine I use at work. Perfectly good for what they were made to do (somewhat overpriced IMHO since you can get a new "barebones" kit at say Tiger Direct for less money with a dual core processor and much bigger hard drive). One of the advantages of "rolling your own" is that you get to make the decisions about what is important and what isn't. And you can spec industry standard parts from known sources that are separately warrantied, or you can go OEM and save money. You'll know exactly what's in the box. It isn't necessary to mortgage the farm to build a decent gaming computer, though. Well under $1000 will get you a high end mobo, a mid range graphics card, big SATA hard drive, optical drive, and a big, name brand power supply with all modular cabling, Windows XP Pro SP3 (still the best gaming OS) and all the bits (case, keyboard, mouse, etc). Monitor not included. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
>Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've flogged it to >DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret. Everyone agrees with you now, >you've beaten everyone to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a >scourge. I use Windows all the time. Probably half the time most days. Why is it okay for me to be pissy about Apple's problems, but blasphemy to write similar things about MS? Anyway, the topic of this thread is building a game PC. I'm not writing to not do it. All I'm saying is that one should not waste money on snake oil. Having studied electroacoustics in college I do have some background in the topic. I know how headphones work and I know how ears work. 5.1 headphones is nonsense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
I've been there too, forums etc. I'm also on IRC all the time, have been for a decade or more, you want dictatorships try #macintosh on undernet...pretty legendary (that's not a slam on mac users I go to plenty of mac channels that are great). I wouldn't want anyone censored here, I don't like letting myself get that irritable in public...I try to reserve that weakness for my wife so she has the chance to point and laugh. I apologize to the list, and to Tom, next time I'll do what I usually do after writing such things, hit the discard button instead of send. It almost feels as good. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >I"m a Mac fan and also get tired at times of Tom's "blah, blah, > blah", But I have to remember why I joined this group. I left a list > controlled by the having a hard time remembering now...the Kartel or > something like that. Their restrictions and then not following their own > restrictions totally pissed me off. And I'd been on that list for several > years before it was taken over. Therefore, I'm here. And while Tom's > Apple/Mac attitude can get tiresome, it's better then getting censored. If > you don't believe me, go to one of the Kartel lists and find out for > yourself. "May the Kartel lists die in hell"!!! No violence intended there. > > > > > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:52 PM, mike wrote: > > Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've flogged it to >> DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret. Everyone agrees with you now, >> you've beaten everyone to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a >> scourge. So can you possibly, possibly stop now? You refuse to answer >> direct questions and just keep beating that same dead horse. We'll leave >> the 'tom hates windows thread' alone if you can just shut your mouth. Yes >> I'm being rude but I am *so* tired of your childish name calling when >> someone doesn't agree with your opinion. Grow up or get a life outside of >> your one track blah blah blah. >> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: >> >> >>> >>> There is just no helping some people. You probably think Windows is cool >>> too. >>> >>> >>> * >>> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >>> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >>> * >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. > - Elbert Hubbard > > > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
I"m a Mac fan and also get tired at times of Tom's "blah, blah, blah", But I have to remember why I joined this group. I left a list controlled by the having a hard time remembering now...the Kartel or something like that. Their restrictions and then not following their own restrictions totally pissed me off. And I'd been on that list for several years before it was taken over. Therefore, I'm here. And while Tom's Apple/Mac attitude can get tiresome, it's better then getting censored. If you don't believe me, go to one of the Kartel lists and find out for yourself. "May the Kartel lists die in hell"!!! No violence intended there. On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:52 PM, mike wrote: Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've flogged it to DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret. Everyone agrees with you now, you've beaten everyone to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a scourge. So can you possibly, possibly stop now? You refuse to answer direct questions and just keep beating that same dead horse. We'll leave the 'tom hates windows thread' alone if you can just shut your mouth. Yes I'm being rude but I am *so* tired of your childish name calling when someone doesn't agree with your opinion. Grow up or get a life outside of your one track blah blah blah. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: There is just no helping some people. You probably think Windows is cool too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
>Beg to differ. Bandwidth speed are usually expressed as bits per second >(bps). And in Zimbabwe a loaf of bread costs $50,000,000,000. At some point the right thing to do is drop the zeros! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
Yes, we know Tom, you hate windows. We know, you've flogged it to DEATH...we all know. It's not a secret. Everyone agrees with you now, you've beaten everyone to your side. Windows is horrid and terrible and a scourge. So can you possibly, possibly stop now? You refuse to answer direct questions and just keep beating that same dead horse. We'll leave the 'tom hates windows thread' alone if you can just shut your mouth. Yes I'm being rude but I am *so* tired of your childish name calling when someone doesn't agree with your opinion. Grow up or get a life outside of your one track blah blah blah. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > > > There is just no helping some people. You probably think Windows is cool > too. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
>In fact, now I remember hearing very good *stereo* 3D. They simply >record using two pickups in a styrofoam head. Different subject I >know, but like human vision, it's quite possible to fool human >hearing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording There is just no helping some people. You probably think Windows is cool too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] ? about download speeds
Beg to differ. Bandwidth speed are usually expressed as bits per second (bps). Thus, the old dial-up modems I used started as 300 baud and went to 1200 baud then to 56K baud. In common usage, the baud rate of a *modem* is how many *bits* it can send or receive per second. Technically, baud is the number of times per second that the carrier signal shifts value - for example a 1200 bit-per-second modem actually runs at 300 baud, but it moves 4 bits per baud (4 x 300= 1200 bits per second). Thus, communications speeds are conventionally expressed as Kilo or Mega bits per second not Bytes. The OP said, ">I don't really understand how to interpret the speed I get on the >speed test sites. This is what I got tonight on Speakeasy >> Download Speed: 16523 kbps (2065.4 KB/sec transfer rate) >> Upload Speed: 3077 kbps (384.6 KB/sec transfer rate) So, you are correct in saying that she has 2000KB service but, by convention, it is usually stated that she has 16Mb (or 16000Kb) service. YMMV Bob Hope - "I grew up with six brothers. That's how I learned to dance - waiting for the bathroom." > >I don't really understand how to interpret the speed I get on the > >speed test sites. This is what I got tonight on Speakeasy > >> Download Speed: 16523 kbps (2065.4 KB/sec transfer rate) > >> Upload Speed: 3077 kbps (384.6 KB/sec transfer rate) > > First let's be careful about "b" vs. "B". Little "b" is bits and big "B" > is bytes. That is why the above "b" vs "B" rates differ by 8x. I don't > think all of the replies have used the same "b" or at least I was > confused about what was being stated. For broadband it is probably > simpler to state everything as KB. > > So you have 2000 KB down and 384 KB up. Which for a single user is > probably okay, but not great. Adequacy depends on what you want to do > with your computer and how patient you are personally. If you are using > it for Netflix or BitTorrent you may want a faster connection. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
Is there such a "rule of thumb" in the gaming computer world? Yes. Your graphics subsystem and power supply are the places to spend the bucks. 400W is not nearly enough to run a modern graphics card and processor, plus at a minimum one optical and two or three hard drives, plus other stuff. I had the PS issue on my last build: http://esande.net/features/conroe.html Not exactly professional photography but it gives the idea. This is a fairly old machine but it still rocks, and contrary to opinion it cost less than the equivalent Dell when I built it. Much less. Most folks don't seem to get that you need a LOT of graphics horsepower when gaming. This is completely at variance with what you need for a general purpose office computer. In my experience, that is. Would it make a difference if they started with an off-lease Dell workstation from http://www.dfsdirectsales.com/, or are those too old? BTW, that's quite a fan in your machine. Could heat the whole room, save on your heating bill. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
Come on over than and I'll show you. When she says "Front Right" it definitely sounds forward of when she says "Rear Right". No movement is needed. It may be nice to factor in movement for pinning down a noise in the game world, but more often in games I just want to know if I'm being attacked from the rear. There's little time for waving the head around to try to figure out _where_ behind me the sound is coming from. In fact, now I remember hearing very good *stereo* 3D. They simply record using two pickups in a styrofoam head. Different subject I know, but like human vision, it's quite possible to fool human hearing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > For 3D you have to move your head. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
That's for sure...here I bought the cheapest 768up called "limited basic" while they also sell 10mbps and 16mbps "boost" ...what they do is put a "brake" in your line to slow you down to what you pay for. I have my computer at the most distant point from the cable entry to my home. Just before the end run, the cable goes through a porch where I wanted a future TV connection where they put a splitter on the line. I got such slow speed at the computer, they put a lesser "brake" on the line at the pole to let it be what I paid for. After they left and after some research, I realized the splitter was "balanced" and after I took it out and put in a barrel connector with correct characteristics, my speed went from around 550up to 1150up ...then, just at the computer, I put in an "unbalanced" connector to which the router gets the 3.5db side and the little TV next to my desk gets the 7.5db side. Now I am still getting ~1150up to the computer and I have cable TV also to little or no detriment. There is a TV also in my living room split off; I have not checked if the splitter for that is unbalanced or not. I may be able to do the same thing there and get even more. Cable people are not on your side!! (Don't tell anyone...sh!!) -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: ? about download speeds >I don't really understand how to interpret the speed I get on the speed >test sites. This is what I got tonight on Speakeasy >> Download Speed: 16523 kbps (2065.4 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload >> Speed: 3077 kbps (384.6 KB/sec transfer rate) First let's be careful about "b" vs. "B". Little "b" is bits and big "B" is bytes. That is why the above "b" vs "B" rates differ by 8x. I don't think all of the replies have used the same "b" or at least I was confused about what was being stated. For broadband it is probably simpler to state everything as KB. So you have 2000 KB down and 384 KB up. Which for a single user is probably okay, but not great. Adequacy depends on what you want to do with your computer and how patient you are personally. If you are using it for Netflix or BitTorrent you may want a faster connection. Also remember that you are just one part of a long chain of links that bring the data to you. Your computer could be bogged in various ways. Your local cable circuit could be jammed with traffic. The server originating your feed could be overloaded. A router between you and the server could be malfunctioning. Your ISP could be "managing" you data rate. Etc. Etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta Comes Roaring Out of the Gate
Obviously! I think you are getting it now. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > > > Or perhaps they just like it. And is any positive review automatically > "fawning"? > > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta Comes Roaring Out of the Gate
> I don't expect anyone will argue that Win7 is not better > than Vista, but is that all we are allowed to compare it to? No, because that isn't the only comparison: "As a person who performs almost every computing task on a Mac and tells anyone who will listen that at this point, the average consumer should be using a Mac instead of a Windows machine because of security and usability, I'm starting to prep myself for the single moment that I thought would never come: I'll be using a Windows 7 machine as my main computer" That certainly reads like an implicit comparison to OS X. > So many fawning reviews of a just released beta is damn syspicious too. Or perhaps they just like it. And is any positive review automatically "fawning"? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta Comes Roaring Out of the Gate
>"using Windows much easier than in previous iterations" We had this discussion before. The above is like saying "so much better than my previous root canal without anesthesia." It could even be a case of "damning with faint praise." I don't expect anyone will argue that Win7 is not better than Vista, but is that all we are allowed to compare it to? So many fawning reviews of a just released beta is damn syspicious too. Did they manage to get a jucy quote from Governor Blagojevich too? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
a lot depends on where the kinks are in the pipe between here and there. from dc area, to nj, 19m x3.8m to la, 4.9m x 583K. is reproducable. http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest?java=1 20 m is about max around here, unless you spend real money. At 09:39 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: >I don't really understand how to interpret the speed I get on the >speed test sites. This is what I got tonight on Speakeasy >>Download Speed: 16523 kbps (2065.4 KB/sec transfer rate) >>Upload Speed: 3077 kbps (384.6 KB/sec transfer rate) > >I'm on cable. Is this considered a "fast" download speed? I ask >because actual downloads I've been doing tonight are incredibly SLOW. > >Paula >US/IN >raven880atindy.net >I'm now at the age where I've got to prove that I'm just as good as I >never was.Rex Harrison > > > > > > >* >** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >* * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
>I think you've misread the article. It clearly says only two ears are >required for localization. Which bears out my own experience with >surround headphones and the speaker test button. You can very clearly >tell the difference between the front and rear speakers wearing these >headphones. Crap. Here we go again. Two ears gets you 2D localization. Front and rear is 2D information. For 3D you have to move your head. The article even explains why you have to cock your head to get vertical information. To get 3D from 2 detectors you must have the 2 detectors moving in space through the sound field. With headphones the sound field moves exactly the same as your head so that doesn't work. With headphones when you detect something behind you and you turn around toward it the sound will still be behind you. That won't change until the computer tracks your motions and changes the audio information to match. 5.1 makes no sense for headphones. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
>I don't really understand how to interpret the speed I get on the >speed test sites. This is what I got tonight on Speakeasy >> Download Speed: 16523 kbps (2065.4 KB/sec transfer rate) >> Upload Speed: 3077 kbps (384.6 KB/sec transfer rate) First let's be careful about "b" vs. "B". Little "b" is bits and big "B" is bytes. That is why the above "b" vs "B" rates differ by 8x. I don't think all of the replies have used the same "b" or at least I was confused about what was being stated. For broadband it is probably simpler to state everything as KB. So you have 2000 KB down and 384 KB up. Which for a single user is probably okay, but not great. Adequacy depends on what you want to do with your computer and how patient you are personally. If you are using it for Netflix or BitTorrent you may want a faster connection. Also remember that you are just one part of a long chain of links that bring the data to you. Your computer could be bogged in various ways. Your local cable circuit could be jammed with traffic. The server originating your feed could be overloaded. A router between you and the server could be malfunctioning. Your ISP could be "managing" you data rate. Etc. Etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
I think you've misread the article. It clearly says only two ears are required for localization. Which bears out my own experience with surround headphones and the speaker test button. You can very clearly tell the difference between the front and rear speakers wearing these headphones. Let's not even get started on bad 2 channel mixes, which are all too common in games, and can result in the out of phase complete cancellation of the sound! I forget the specific title just now, but a couple years back in one of my favorite games, I was completely unable to hear the helicopters (and some other sounds) through my then 2D headphones. Very disconcerting. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: >>It's *harder* to hear when someone is sneaking up behind you. But with >>2D headphones it's *impossible*. > > Could be, but that is not proof that headphones can provide 3D. It > probably means that the headphones are connected to only some of the 5 > channels. > > Go over to Wikipedia and read the very fine article on "sound > localization." It points out that to get more than 2D you need more than > 2 detectors (a.k.a. ears) or to move the detectors (i.e. move your head). > > Anyone claiming to be able to do this with headphones must therefore have > more than 2 ears and OMG! must be one of those Martians who are in > command of Windows 7. OMG! OMG! They are already amongst us! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Family Project
>It's *harder* to hear when someone is sneaking up behind you. But with >2D headphones it's *impossible*. Could be, but that is not proof that headphones can provide 3D. It probably means that the headphones are connected to only some of the 5 channels. Go over to Wikipedia and read the very fine article on "sound localization." It points out that to get more than 2D you need more than 2 detectors (a.k.a. ears) or to move the detectors (i.e. move your head). Anyone claiming to be able to do this with headphones must therefore have more than 2 ears and OMG! must be one of those Martians who are in command of Windows 7. OMG! OMG! They are already amongst us! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
All is relative IMHO. I was sold 768down by Comcast as "Limited Internet." My stats are ~1150down ~350up and having used dial-up (~26down on a good day) for many years I am thrilled not only with the speed of it but also the fact it is faster than they claimed! Your numbers are like my sister's FIOS results in another state. Yet, she had horrible performance. It turns out, after a coupla hours on the fone with her after Verizon reset her FIOS modem for her and told her it was her computer at fault, she had lots of junk jamming up her cache and history areas ...deletion of all that and changes to her browser to delete all of it on close have done wonders for her win2k laptop! I am not geek enough to be of greater help2u, but surely others here will have some more details about how to see if it is your box or your pipe at fault! My simplistic suggestion is because I am a simpleton. -Original Message- From: Paula Minor [mailto:raven...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: ? about download speeds I don't really understand how to interpret the speed I get on the speed test sites. This is what I got tonight on Speakeasy > Download Speed: 16523 kbps (2065.4 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: > 3077 kbps (384.6 KB/sec transfer rate) I'm on cable. Is this considered a "fast" download speed? I ask because actual downloads I've been doing tonight are incredibly SLOW. Paula US/IN raven880atindy.net I'm now at the age where I've got to prove that I'm just as good as I never was.Rex Harrison * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
I think 10 is the highest offered here. Price is about 59.95 a month. As I said it is all about local option on this stuff. Our Cable franchiser is horrid. Worst of all those in the area. But we have no options either. As I said we do have DSL but they could not make their 6mps service work reliably to my house last time I checked. Stewart At 10:03 AM 1/15/2009, you wrote: I live on this planet...where 20mbit cable can be had for about 55 bux...i pay 35 for 1.5mbit dsl...qwest is horrid! 1.5mbit doesn't even count as high speed anymore when the FCC is checking coverage unless I'm mistaken. Mike Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
I live on this planet...where 20mbit cable can be had for about 55 bux...i pay 35 for 1.5mbit dsl...qwest is horrid! 1.5mbit doesn't even count as high speed anymore when the FCC is checking coverage unless I'm mistaken. Mike On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: > 3MB is the minimum for basic cable service? What planet are you living on? > > Where I live basic service starts at this level. 1.5 mps up for cable and > 768kbs for DSL. > > You can get the 768 DSL for 9.95 for the teaser rate and then 19.95 per > month long term. > > The Cable speed of 1.5 mps will cost you 29.95 plus modem rental. (10 > higher if you have no cable service.) > > A recent advertised bundle from our cable system advertised expanded cable > service with digital and 5 mps cable Internet all for the low price of > $107.95 a month. > > Cable pricing and service is all determined by local franchises and cable > companies. In Some areas (high density population) there are better deals > and faster services available. > > In other parts (low density population) it just plain old sucks. > > Stewart > > > > > At 09:00 AM 1/15/2009, you wrote: > >> Yes, 16Mb / 3Mb is fast service. If your speed was merely 3Mb down, you'd >> be >> at the minimum of what is usually sold as basic cable internet service. I >> always counsel people to remember that real-life speed is what we really >> care about and that will always be a function of the load on and the >> capacity of every intermediate point between your screen and the provider >> of >> your download. >> > > Rev. Stewart A. Marshall > mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net > Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org > Ozark, AL SL 82 > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
3MB is the minimum for basic cable service? What planet are you living on? Where I live basic service starts at this level. 1.5 mps up for cable and 768kbs for DSL. You can get the 768 DSL for 9.95 for the teaser rate and then 19.95 per month long term. The Cable speed of 1.5 mps will cost you 29.95 plus modem rental. (10 higher if you have no cable service.) A recent advertised bundle from our cable system advertised expanded cable service with digital and 5 mps cable Internet all for the low price of $107.95 a month. Cable pricing and service is all determined by local franchises and cable companies. In Some areas (high density population) there are better deals and faster services available. In other parts (low density population) it just plain old sucks. Stewart At 09:00 AM 1/15/2009, you wrote: Yes, 16Mb / 3Mb is fast service. If your speed was merely 3Mb down, you'd be at the minimum of what is usually sold as basic cable internet service. I always counsel people to remember that real-life speed is what we really care about and that will always be a function of the load on and the capacity of every intermediate point between your screen and the provider of your download. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stop Being a Jerk [Was: Windows 7 Public Beta...
If it's not about MS, why didn't you slam Toshiba for the Jan 1 bug as well as MS? On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > > > I guess you did not read my last post about the "dim bulbs" at Apple's > MobileMe operation. Also note that the Mac fans on the List did not > launch a lengthy war over what I wrote. > > It is not a matter of liking or disliking Apple or MS or Adobe or > whoever. It is a matter of liking a job well done and not suffering fools > gladly. I have a consistent track record in this regard. Recall that > there was a period of years when I was excoriating Apple over their "not > ready for prime time" OS X. It was not until OS X.3.3 that I finally > called it "useable" (faint praise). I still carry a torch for the FTFF > campaign. Mac fan bois still complain that I call it "OS X" and not "OS > 10" and I will do that until they FTFF. > > What is well past understanding is your indiscriminate cheerleading for > anything and everything from MS and your inability to keep a technical > discussion technical. You consistently ignored the technical issues. > Instead you used cheap debating tricks, trying to deflect us from the > topic. Worse were the personal attacks that continue even now. I hate to > stoop to that same personal level, but in this case I must say: stop > being a jerk. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ? about download speeds
Yes, 16Mb / 3Mb is fast service. If your speed was merely 3Mb down, you'd be at the minimum of what is usually sold as basic cable internet service. I always counsel people to remember that real-life speed is what we really care about and that will always be a function of the load on and the capacity of every intermediate point between your screen and the provider of your download. > > I don't really understand how to interpret the speed I get on the > speed test sites. This is what I got tonight on Speakeasy > > Download Speed: 16523 kbps (2065.4 KB/sec transfer rate) > > Upload Speed: 3077 kbps (384.6 KB/sec transfer rate) > > I'm on cable. Is this considered a "fast" download speed? I ask > because actual downloads I've been doing tonight are incredibly SLOW. > Diogenes - "What I like to drink most is wine that belongs to others." * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
