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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Right, netbooks aren't computers but iPHONES are not phones but computers...

  In reality, cell phones aren't really phones.  They are actually
two-way radios as far as the phone side of their usage is concerned.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Jeff Wright

 You missed a step.
 
 If someone has not yet purchased an Intel based
 Mac they have to now buy an Intel based Mac so it would be even more
 costly.

Is this what you call Tomonomics?

29 + [cost of new Intel Mac] = 29

BTW, I think it's downright rude how we Windows people haven't heard one
word of thanks from the Mac folks for their new, cheaper hardware and OS.

I suppose it will take a while to pot down from the old ways of If you have
to ask how much it costs...


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)

Vista-Ready New computer + cost of Vista + (oops!) new computer (that
can actually run Vista and all of its marvels).  WFBonomics, I suppose.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Is this what you call Tomonomics?

29 + [cost of new Intel Mac] = 29

BTW, I think it's downright rude how we Windows people haven't heard one
word of thanks from the Mac folks for their new, cheaper hardware and
OS.

I suppose it will take a while to pot down from the old ways of If you
have to ask how much it costs...


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Jeff Wright

 Vista-Ready New computer + cost of Vista + (oops!) new computer (that
 can actually run Vista and all of its marvels).  WFBonomics, I suppose.

Actually, that's Intelonomics (or maybe markting-troll-o'nomics), since they
were the ones pushing for that idiotic monkier.  Any WFB could have told you
that MS caving to that demand was galactic-sized stupid.

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2008/03/the-vista-capable-debacle-intel
-pushes-microsoft-bends.ars

 Thank you,

Oh, it was nothing, really.


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[CGUYS] Windows XP active partitions question

2009-06-11 Thread Robert Carroll

I have discovered that some of my external hard drives have been marked 
as active when I converted them from FAT32 to NTSC.  Each drive has one 
partition only, and there are no OS on these drives.


Will having active partitions on multiple drive cause me a problem?  If 
so, is there a way to make them non-active?



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[CGUYS] jimmy fallon and natal

2009-06-11 Thread mike

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/#continued

Jimmy on his late show playing natal.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows XP active partitions question

2009-06-11 Thread Jeff Wright

 I have discovered that some of my external hard drives have been marked as
 active when I converted them from FAT32 to NTSC.  Each drive has one
 partition only, and there are no OS on these drives.

 Will having active partitions on multiple drive cause me a problem?  If so,
 is there a way to make them non-active?

Luckily, you didn't convert your disks to PAL.  /jk

That won't be a problem, as long as none of these drives are marked as
the boot drive in your BIOS.  If you have 2 partitions on the same
disk, your C drive for example, and the one marked active doesn't
have the OS installed on it, that will be a problem.

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/0260f433-b882-4d26-8d54-90f4e7cd1ffd1033.mspx


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Re: [CGUYS] jimmy fallon and natal

2009-06-11 Thread Chris Dunford

 http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-
 natal/#continued
 
 Jimmy on his late show playing natal.

Jimmy Fallon, M$ minion.

And, oh, so much for Tom's staged demo theory.


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[CGUYS] Nasty virus going around - others getting these today? Any fixes?

2009-06-11 Thread johnleehol...@gmail.com


Mac  Linux users can ignore this ;-)

In very large numbers we have been getting a very difficult virus that 
Norton Anti-virus does not fix.  A colleague described the virus as a 
social engineering  [attack which attempts to infect] . . . with the 
W32.Acktantta virus. This virus replicates by sending out emails from 
infected system disguised to look like invitations to join Twitter and 
other social networking sites, spurious Amazon.com orders, and e-cards 
from someone you know. . . .It seems to also infect the system with a 
Bloodhound variant. . . . difficult to remove as it has sabotaged 
[Symantec anti-virus].



Anyone know of this virus and if a fix is available.  I think one of our 
machines is infected with it and have taken it offline.



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Steve at Verizon

I've mentioned earlier here, that I put the Win 7 beta on my 3 year old 
Lenovo laptop back in Jan, and the RC when it came out, and it runs 
fabulously; even better than with XP3. I did invest $11 at Microcenter 
to take it to 2G.


Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Win 7 actually will run on many XP computers out of the box.

It does not have the bloat requirement that Vista does.  One of the 
better features of 7.


Stewart


At 06:50 AM 6/11/2009, you wrote:

Vista-Ready New computer + cost of Vista + (oops!) new computer (that
can actually run Vista and all of its marvels).  WFBonomics, I suppose.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall


The best we have to offer do not usually go into politics.

Besides which I thought Elvis was not dead he just went home to his 
home planet.


Stewart



At 02:41 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote:

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:

 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.

  They think he is still alive.


 Look at it another way.  If this were a presidential election, what
 words would you use to describe the voting gap between 1st and 2nd
 place?  Don't tell me you still have McGovern and Mondale bumper
 stickers tucked away.

  W won the two elections before Obama.  Was he the best we had to offer?

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[CGUYS] DTV debacle

  The Washington Post today, Thursday, June 11, has a good article
about how the transition to digital television has missed virtually
every single promised advantage over analog TV.  The claims made by
broadcasters and their lobbying organizations that were designed to
ensure and garner public support for the transition never came to
pass.  For the most part, all we got is more of the same thing we have
been seeing ever since the inception of the industry.  The article
points out that there was no incentive whatsoever for the industry to
deliver on their early promises, and worse yet, the broadcasters never
had the necessary creativity to fulfill their proposals in the first
place.  Why?  Because the industry is run by people who are so stuck
in the past and lacking in imagination that they were never going to
allow anything creative to happen.  Staus quo was and is their credo.
Read the article.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, he won one election, anyway.

  Actually, he won them both by hook or by crook.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt

Jeff Wright
  Let's put this all into a certain perspective.  Market
 forces have made it abundantly clear that the Windows
 operating system and the computers that come supplied
 with that OS are absolutely superior in every way,
 shape and form.  The sales figures have made this an
 indisputable fact according to the marketplace, and
 the marketplace is the primary criteria by which all
 such things are determined in our capitalist system.
 End of argument?

 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.

 Look at it another way.  If this were a presidential
 election, what words would you use to describe the voting
 gap between 1st and 2nd place?  Don't tell me you still
 have McGovern and Mondale bumper stickers tucked away.

That's ridiculous!  Personal computers (small computers
designed to be owned/used by an individual) have been
around for what 25-30 years?  Microsoft has been in the
drivers seat for 20-25 of those years (since
DOS 3.something?).  MS acquired this dominance more through
shrewd business tactics (bundling and discounting DOS and
then Windows)

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Wayne Dernoncourtway...@panix.com wrote:

 That's ridiculous!  Personal computers (small computers
 designed to be owned/used by an individual) have been
 around for what 25-30 years?  Microsoft has been in the
 drivers seat for 20-25 of those years (since
 DOS 3.something?).  MS acquired this dominance more through
 shrewd business tactics (bundling and discounting DOS and
 then Windows)

 But, doesn't marketplace dominance determine what is best?  I thought
that concept was the whole theory of how the almighty marketplace
sorts out the wheat from the chaff.  All I ever hear is how MS Windows
commands over 90% of computer sales, and therefore that means
computers with that OS installed at the time of purchase are the best.
 In addition to their cheap cost, don't most people buy Windows
machines because everyone else has one?  How can so many people
possibly be wrong?

  As a little current and pertinent aside, let me say that when I
arrived at work today the subject of great discussion was about how
the computers were running very slowly.  Needed apps resident on the
hard drive were taking forever to load and the internet could not be
accessed at all.  Folks were, yet again, frantically trying to get the
POS and other software to load and run.  This was mentioned to me, but
ever weary of this fairly routine conundrum, I told them that I had no
comment on the situation and had nothing to offer.

  I did wonder, however, how can the best so often be so flaky?  W32
virus this time?  A lot of downtime was clearly going to be the order
of the day.  That prediction did not disappoint.  Thank goodness I
managed to get out of there early before tempers really started
getting short.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall


Can I ask an enormously stupid and off the wall question?

Why is it that some folks seem to have nothing but problems with 
Windows and I have nary a problem?


Granted I have had a problem or tow along the way.  I have done real 
stupid stuff like do upgrade instead of clean installs, cloned drives 
instead of clean installation, and I have even had to reload windows 
a time or tow, but that is over the process of 15 years.


So why is it that I seem to have very little problems running windows 
and some seem to have nothing but problems.


By the way when my wife worked at the newspaper she would always 
complain about their computers, and problems they were having.


Oh by the way they were an all Mac shop.

Stewart


At 04:28 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote:

 But, doesn't marketplace dominance determine what is best?  I thought
that concept was the whole theory of how the almighty marketplace
sorts out the wheat from the chaff.  All I ever hear is how MS Windows
commands over 90% of computer sales, and therefore that means
computers with that OS installed at the time of purchase are the best.
 In addition to their cheap cost, don't most people buy Windows
machines because everyone else has one?  How can so many people
possibly be wrong?

  As a little current and pertinent aside, let me say that when I
arrived at work today the subject of great discussion was about how
the computers were running very slowly.  Needed apps resident on the
hard drive were taking forever to load and the internet could not be
accessed at all.  Folks were, yet again, frantically trying to get the
POS and other software to load and run.  This was mentioned to me, but
ever weary of this fairly routine conundrum, I told them that I had no
comment on the situation and had nothing to offer.

  I did wonder, however, how can the best so often be so flaky?  W32
virus this time?  A lot of downtime was clearly going to be the order
of the day.  That prediction did not disappoint.  Thank goodness I
managed to get out of there early before tempers really started
getting short.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Bill Wajert


On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:



 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.
  


 They think he is still alive.




 Look at it another way.  If this were a presidential election, what
 words would you use to describe the voting gap between 1st and 2nd
 place?  Don't tell me you still have McGovern and Mondale bumper
 stickers tucked away.
  


 W won the two elections before Obama.  Was he the best we had to offer?

 Steve


He might not have been the best we had to offer, but he is 1000 times better
than Obama.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

	What do you do with your windows computer? Do you install everything  
under the sun that looks neat? I do on my Mac.
	Why is it you have to only do clean installs? And why have you had to  
reload Windows a time or two? I've upgraded my OS on my Macs, but  
never had to reload the OS.
	My guess to your main question is you do very little with your PC  
running Windows.
	And what kind of problems was your wife having? Was it the whole  
department or just her?


Jeff M

P.S. Just got my new iMac 24 today. After working on an iBook for a  
month I feel like I'm now in a movie theater. This thing is huge, and  
very bright. I barely need to turn the lights on in the room. However,  
the external case that holds those drives I mentioned earlier in a  
different thread isn't showing up. I don't know why, it shows up on my  
other computers. And the hard drives I've tried are both from older  
iMacs. You'd think it would recognize it's elders. It might be nice,  
big, bright and shinny, but show some respect.



On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


Can I ask an enormously stupid and off the wall question?

Why is it that some folks seem to have nothing but problems with  
Windows and I have nary a problem?


Granted I have had a problem or tow along the way.  I have done real  
stupid stuff like do upgrade instead of clean installs, cloned  
drives instead of clean installation, and I have even had to reload  
windows a time or tow, but that is over the process of 15 years.


So why is it that I seem to have very little problems running  
windows and some seem to have nothing but problems.


By the way when my wife worked at the newspaper she would always  
complain about their computers, and problems they were having.


Oh by the way they were an all Mac shop.

Stewart



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

	1000 times better then Obama? What planet are you living on? I'm not  
one to bad mouth Elvis. I was never a fan but hand nothing against  
him. So he never qualified for my praise or condemnation. On the other  
hand Obama was elected to clean up the mess. And with a few exceptions  
I have, he's been doing a pretty good job considering what he's had to  
deal with.
	I used to be a staunch conservative. That was until the neocons took  
over things. These people are nuts. I totally agree with some news  
reporters I've heard that predict the independent party will be the  
next major party next to the democratic party.


Jeff M


On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Bill Wajert wrote:

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com  
wrote:




 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.



They think he is still alive.




 Look at it another way.  If this were a presidential election, what
 words would you use to describe the voting gap between 1st and 2nd
 place?  Don't tell me you still have McGovern and Mondale bumper
 stickers tucked away.



W won the two elections before Obama.  Was he the best we had to  
offer?


Steve


He might not have been the best we had to offer, but he is 1000  
times better

than Obama.

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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Rev. Stewart
Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Can I ask an enormously stupid and off the wall question?

 Why is it that some folks seem to have nothing but problems with Windows and
 I have nary a problem?

  Dunno.  I wonder the same thing.  Some folks seem to have pretty
smooth sailing, while others suffer from ill winds.


 Granted I have had a problem or tow along the way.  I have done real stupid
 stuff like do upgrade instead of clean installs, cloned drives instead of
 clean installation, and I have even had to reload windows a time or tow, but
 that is over the process of 15 years.

  I have never had to reload an OS.  Seven Macs over a similar amount
of time.  Five Macs still up and running, albeit three of them
irregularly.  One in storage and one died from a lightning strike.


 By the way when my wife worked at the newspaper she would always complain
 about their computers, and problems they were having.

 Oh by the way they were an all Mac shop.

  Now, that is hard to explain!

  Steve


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On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Bill Wajertwrws...@swbell.net wrote:

 He might not have been the best we had to offer, but he is 1000 times better
 than Obama.

  Ouch!!!  And the guy has only been at it for such a short time.
He's even continuing a number of the Bush policies, yet he is already
1,000 times worse?  Dude, you're gonna have a thrombosis before Obama
is done if you don't calm down.

  Just to kinda keep on topic, Windows advocate?

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Re: [CGUYS] DTV debacle

2009-06-11 Thread Tony B

You forgot a link. But I'm not even sure what you're complaining
about. 8vsb? ATSC?

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM, phartz...@gmail.comphartz...@gmail.com wrote:
  The Washington Post today, Thursday, June 11, has a good article
 about how the transition to digital television has missed virtually
 every single promised advantage over analog TV.  The claims made by
 broadcasters and their lobbying organizations that were designed to
 ensure and garner public support for the transition never came to
 pass.  For the most part, all we got is more of the same thing we have
 been seeing ever since the inception of the industry.  The article
 points out that there was no incentive whatsoever for the industry to
 deliver on their early promises, and worse yet, the broadcasters never
 had the necessary creativity to fulfill their proposals in the first
 place.  Why?  Because the industry is run by people who are so stuck
 in the past and lacking in imagination that they were never going to
 allow anything creative to happen.  Staus quo was and is their credo.
 Read the article.


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Re: [CGUYS] DTV debacle

2009-06-11 Thread Roger D. Parish

Try this link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/09/AR2009060903144.html?wprss=rss_technology

At 8:12 PM -0400 6/11/09, Tony B wrote:

You forgot a link. But I'm not even sure what you're complaining
about. 8vsb? ATSC?

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM,
phartz...@gmail.comphartz...@gmail.com wrote:

The Washington Post today, Thursday, June 11, has a good article
about how the transition to digital television has missed virtually
every single promised advantage over analog TV. The claims made by
broadcasters and their lobbying organizations that were designed to
ensure and garner public support for the transition never came to
pass. For the most part, all we got is more of the same thing we have
been seeing ever since the inception of the industry. The article
points out that there was no incentive whatsoever for the industry to
deliver on their early promises, and worse yet, the broadcasters never
had the necessary creativity to fulfill their proposals in the first
place. Why? Because the industry is run by people who are so stuck
in the past and lacking in imagination that they were never going to
allow anything creative to happen. Staus quo was and is their credo.
Read the article.

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Re: [CGUYS] jimmy fallon and natal


On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:47 PM, mike wrote:

Jimmy on his late show playing natal.


And engadget says...
Also, anyone notice Fallon asking Kudo if this would ship in 2010  
and Kudo declining to answer...


Need I say more?


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Can I ask an enormously stupid and off the wall question?

Why is it that some folks seem to have nothing but problems with Windows and I have nary a problem? 


Stewart,

Is that a rhetorical question?

You're a techie and know what you're doing. You know enough to see a 
mistake BEFORE it happens.


And you have God on your side.


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] DTV debacle


   The Washington Post today, Thursday, June 11, has a good article
 about how the transition to digital television has missed virtually
 every single promised advantage over analog TV.  The claims made by
 broadcasters and their lobbying organizations that were designed to
 ensure and garner public support for the transition never came to
 pass...snip...


We went from getting around 20 stations to 2. We have a new amplified 
antenna that doesn't help. This sucks. The switch to digital was a gift 
to cable, fiber and satellite companies, as well as electronics 
companies, and gives the customers no advantage with plenty to complain 
about. I feel like we've been mugged.


pull quote from WaPo interview with FCC rep:
...With a weak analog signal you'll see snow and get sound or a fuzzy 
picture. With a weak digital signal, you won't see any picture...


WaPo story: 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/10/AR2009061003978.html?sub=AR


Latest promise is that after tomorrow the signals will be boosted. I'll 
take the status quo, thank you. Please direct your requests and flames 
to 1-888-CALL-FCC and www.dtv.gov, and your Congresscritters.



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Re: [CGUYS] DTV debacle

2009-06-11 Thread Art Clemons

   The Washington Post today, Thursday, June 11, has a good article
 about how the transition to digital television has missed virtually
 every single promised advantage over analog TV.  The claims made by
 broadcasters and their lobbying organizations that were designed to
 ensure and garner public support for the transition never came to
 pass. 

It's a good bet that most broadcasters didn't want ATSC, it's an
additional expense and new transmitters had to be bought or
alternatively expensive alterations to existing ones had to be made.

Other downsides are that coverage is often much less than NTSC and its
analog effects.  Digital is real nice if you can receive the signal but
as many are finding out, many cannot or will have to go to extraordinary
lengths to get a decent signal.  that being said, if it does work, you
get a better picture even with a converter/old tv setup.  In most
markets, those who can receive a signal will get more offeringgs, even
if the extra offering is weather and short news or even worse
infomercials.

I'm neither in a panic nor enthused about ATSC.

One more comment, the US would have been better off adopting the
European DVB setup, technically it's a more developed system and
predictions about coverage could have been more accurately made.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right


On Jun 11, 2009, at 5:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

But, doesn't marketplace dominance determine what is best?  I thought
that concept was the whole theory of how the almighty marketplace
sorts out the wheat from the chaff.


Absolutely, I'll pick the $1 McDonalds burger over a sirloin steak  
every time. I positively love those soy fillers and bone chips. Yum!



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Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will


On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:36 PM, mike wrote:
As far what Tom is talking about, he can blame MS as he always  
does, but
it's more of an ISP problem.  Even if MS begs them to do this, they  
have to

agree.


Attempted obscuration (of course). Nevertheless it is M$ at the heart  
of this dirty deed.


Just like Bush blaming a few bad eggs for the crimes he perpetrated.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right


On Jun 11, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
So why is it that I seem to have very little problems running  
windows and some seem to have nothing but problems.


It all depends on what you are comparing it to. This afternoon I ran  
into somebody who moved back to her home town a few years ago. She  
said she gave it a try for a few years, but having lived around here  
she now found her old town unbearable. The operative quote is...


The people who still live there think its just fine, but they have  
never lived anywhere else.


We are glad that you are just fine.


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[CGUYS] Shiny new iMac [was: Apple Does it Right]


24 iMac = old time drive-in movie theater

Get a USB drive adapter and try connecting the bare drive to your iMac, 
http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adaptv2.php. Find one discounted 
at macsales.com or provantage.com. Or get a Thermaltake or Startech USB 
HD dock if you have SATA drives.




P.S. Just got my new iMac 24 today. After working on an iBook for a
month I feel like I'm now in a movie theater. This thing is huge, and
very bright. I barely need to turn the lights on in the room.
However, the external case that holds those drives I mentioned
earlier in a different thread isn't showing up. I don't know why, it
shows up on my other computers. And the hard drives I've tried are
both from older iMacs. You'd think it would recognize it's elders. It
might be nice, big, bright and shinny, but show some respect.



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Re: [CGUYS] jimmy fallon and natal

2009-06-11 Thread Tony B

Actually, no, I didn't hear that question at all.


On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:01 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
 On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:47 PM, mike wrote:

 Jimmy on his late show playing natal.

 And engadget says...
 Also, anyone notice Fallon asking Kudo if this would ship in 2010 and Kudo
 declining to answer...

 Need I say more?


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Re: [CGUYS] Shiny new iMac [was: Apple Does it Right]

	Thanks, but I guess my question kind of still dangles out there. They  
are SATA drives that came out of earlier iMacs. With this external  
Antec it shows up on the laptops, but not on the new iMac. I'm just  
wondering why. The whole reason for buying the thing was to make  
transferring old files on to the new computer easier.


Jeff M


On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


24 iMac = old time drive-in movie theater

Get a USB drive adapter and try connecting the bare drive to your  
iMac, http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adaptv2.php. Find one  
discounted at macsales.com or provantage.com. Or get a Thermaltake  
or Startech USB HD dock if you have SATA drives.




P.S. Just got my new iMac 24 today. After working on an iBook for a
month I feel like I'm now in a movie theater. This thing is huge, and
very bright. I barely need to turn the lights on in the room.
However, the external case that holds those drives I mentioned
earlier in a different thread isn't showing up. I don't know why, it
shows up on my other computers. And the hard drives I've tried are
both from older iMacs. You'd think it would recognize it's elders. It
might be nice, big, bright and shinny, but show some respect.



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[CGUYS] Spiteful Win7 Release

So much smarter than those regulators from Old Europe, M$ has  
announced that the European version of Win 7 will ship with no  
software to access the Internet. Take that you croissant eaters who  
think you would simply download FireFox. Maybe you'll be able to get a  
copy via the post?


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10263101-56.html


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Re: [CGUYS] Shiny new iMac [was: Apple Does it Right]

2009-06-11 Thread Roger D. Parish

Which USB port are you plugging the external enclosure into? It might 
be a low-power port that can't power the disks.


At 7:05 PM -0700 6/11/09, Jeff Miles wrote:

	Thanks, but I guess my question kind of still dangles out 
there. They are SATA drives that came out of earlier iMacs. With 
this external Antec it shows up on the laptops, but not on the new 
iMac. I'm just wondering why. The whole reason for buying the thing 
was to make transferring old files on to the new computer easier.


Jeff M


On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


24 iMac = old time drive-in movie theater

Get a USB drive adapter and try connecting the bare drive to your 
iMac, http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adaptv2.php. Find one 
discounted at macsales.com or provantage.com. Or get a Thermaltake 
or Startech USB HD dock if you have SATA drives.



P.S. Just got my new iMac 24 today. After working on an iBook for a
month I feel like I'm now in a movie theater. This thing is huge, and
very bright. I barely need to turn the lights on in the room.
However, the external case that holds those drives I mentioned
earlier in a different thread isn't showing up. I don't know why, it
shows up on my other computers. And the hard drives I've tried are
both from older iMacs. You'd think it would recognize it's elders. It
might be nice, big, bright and shinny, but show some respect.



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Re: [CGUYS] Shiny new iMac [was: Apple Does it Right]

	Well dang, that was it. I didn't know there was a difference. Of  
course in my excitement over getting the new computer and setting it  
up, I didn't bother reading the book.


Jeff M


On Jun 11, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote:

Which USB port are you plugging the external enclosure into? It  
might be a low-power port that can't power the disks.


At 7:05 PM -0700 6/11/09, Jeff Miles wrote:

	Thanks, but I guess my question kind of still dangles out there.  
They are SATA drives that came out of earlier iMacs. With this  
external Antec it shows up on the laptops, but not on the new iMac.  
I'm just wondering why. The whole reason for buying the thing was  
to make transferring old files on to the new computer easier.


Jeff M


On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


24 iMac = old time drive-in movie theater

Get a USB drive adapter and try connecting the bare drive to your  
iMac, http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adaptv2.php. Find one  
discounted at macsales.com or provantage.com. Or get a Thermaltake  
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Re: [CGUYS] jimmy fallon and natal


On Jun 11, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Tony B wrote:

Actually, no, I didn't hear that question at all.


Why am I not surprised?


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Re: [CGUYS] Shiny new iMac [was: Apple Does it Right]


On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:22 PM, Jeff Miles wrote:
Well dang, that was it. I didn't know there was a difference. Of  
course in my excitement over getting the new computer and setting it  
up, I didn't bother reading the book.


I really hate it when I have to connect via USB instead of FireWire.  
USB just can't deliver enough juice. I have to use a second USB port  
with a USB to power plug cable to get the drive to spin up. USB is a  
designed for PCs technology so follows the old rule that it has to be  
inferior.



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right


Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net escribió:


I will go with the last part before any of the other.  (Although I
seriously wonder if anyone has God on their side.  I would much
prefer to be on his side than have him on my side. theological
diatribe here.


Just kidding. I like your answer.


I also help out a lot of folks that do not seem to have problems
except home made ones.  (Removing a menu out of a program, bad net
card etc.)

I have one person I help using logmein (long distance) that has CP
and has to use an old MS Easy Ball, and the biggest problem she ever
experiences is the moving menus and not being able to right click.
(The Easy Ball has only one clicker)


At least they have someone for support. But don't they have malware issues?



But to tell you what kind of person I am I also owned two Vega's
(Both used) And put many, many miles on them.


I had a Vega. It retired at 65 [thousand miles]. Little part broke -- 
cam shaft -- wrecked the engine. Aluminum engine couldn't handle my 
driving style [too fast].



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right

2009-06-11 Thread Art Clemons

 The cheapo Win7 releases at Best Buy seem to be 50 and 100 for upgrades.  I
 heard it was from Vista only.

Apparently you can upgrade from XP, only thing is that win 7 will not
use your apps and settings, it will instead make your old windows folder
into something that is saved (you likely can boot from it too).  Then a
new windows 7 installation is made.Considering all of the crud, I'm
not sure that upgrades keeping old settings and software are really the
way to go anyway.

I note incidentally that I don't normally run any version of Windows
anymore.  I have however played with Win7, it appears to be the best
Windows version yet (what do I know, I thought WFWG 3.11 was the best
way back when too),


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Re: [CGUYS] Shiny new iMac [was: Apple Does it Right]


You plugged it into the keyboard? an unpowerd hub? HAHAHAHAHA!  Dang!

Try a powered hub, http://tinyurl.com/lp8ydu.



Well dang, that was it. I didn't know there was a difference. Of course in 
my excitement over getting the new computer and setting it up, I didn't bother 
reading the book.

Jeff M 



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Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-11 Thread mike

I'm surprised you don't think MS was at the heart of the Bush
'crimes'hmm, maybe you do.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:36 PM, mike wrote:

 As far what Tom is talking about, he can blame MS as he always does, but
 it's more of an ISP problem.  Even if MS begs them to do this, they have
 to
 agree.


 Attempted obscuration (of course). Nevertheless it is M$ at the heart of
 this dirty deed.

 Just like Bush blaming a few bad eggs for the crimes he perpetrated.



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Re: [CGUYS] DTV debacle

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Tony Bton...@gmail.com wrote:

 You forgot a link. But I'm not even sure what you're complaining
 about. 8vsb? ATSC?

  Who's complaining?  I was merely paraphrasing and pointing out a
Washington Post article about how digital television is not delivering
what had been promised to the public.

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Re: [CGUYS] Shiny new iMac [was: Apple Does it Right]

No, I had the keyboard plugged into the first USB slot. I had the  
external plugged into the 3rd slot. I switched them and now everything  
is working fine. The mouse is the only thing I have plugged into the  
keyboard USB slots. By the way, this small little keyboard is a pain  
in the butt. I think I'll go back to my Logitech wireless keyboard and  
mouse. I like the wheel better then the little dot anyway. Or maybe  
one of my other Apple keyboards. I've got 3 or 4 from past Macs. I  
knew there was a reason I didn't want an iPhone or one of those little  
blueberry things. It's always looked like you'd need a toothpick to  
type on them. I almost feel that way with this dinky little keyboard.  
The screen is huge on this thing, but the keyboard could almost fit in  
my pants pocket.


Jeff M


On Jun 11, 2009, at 9:28 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


You plugged it into the keyboard? an unpowerd hub? HAHAHAHAHA!  Dang!

Try a powered hub, http://tinyurl.com/lp8ydu.


   Well dang, that was it. I didn't know there was a difference. Of  
course in my excitement over getting the new computer and setting  
it up, I didn't bother reading the book.

Jeff M



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Re: [CGUYS] DTV debacle

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Art Clemonsartclem...@aol.com wrote:

 It's a good bet that most broadcasters didn't want ATSC, it's an
 additional expense and new transmitters had to be bought or
 alternatively expensive alterations to existing ones had to be made.

  To the best of my knowledge, broadcasters who choose not to use all
of their alloted bandwidth for thier own purposes can lease out their
unused bandwidth to commercial interests.  This can be a lucrative
revenue stream for broadcasters.  Broadcasters can probably make more
money from leasing unused bandwidth than they can make by using that
bandwidth themselves for broadcasting purposes.  Every aspect of the
switch to NTSC is all about the money.

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Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

	Gates didn't have enough money for Bush to squander. Why use one guy  
when you can use a whole country?



On Jun 11, 2009, at 9:20 PM, mike wrote:


I'm surprised you don't think MS was at the heart of the Bush
'crimes'hmm, maybe you do.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:


On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:36 PM, mike wrote:

As far what Tom is talking about, he can blame MS as he always  
does, but
it's more of an ISP problem.  Even if MS begs them to do this,  
they have

to
agree.



Attempted obscuration (of course). Nevertheless it is M$ at the  
heart of

this dirty deed.

Just like Bush blaming a few bad eggs for the crimes he  
perpetrated.




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Re: [CGUYS] jimmy fallon and natal