[CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread Jeff Miles
Ok, I have a b**ch here. Has anyone else had a problem with burn in on their 24 intel iMacs? I recently took mine in for repair or replacement. They told me it was burn in and wasn't covered by the warrantee. I've owned this computer brand new since 6/09. It is on most of the time. But I

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Ok, I have a b**ch here. Has anyone else had a problem with burn in on their 24 intel iMacs? I recently took mine in for repair or replacement. They told me it was burn in and wasn't covered by the

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:00 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Apple support recommends this method-quick version replace your screen saver image with an all white one. Personally, I recommend a totally blank, black screen, commonly referred to as screen blanking. Any

[CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News

2009-11-16 Thread Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
This email was sent from popoz...@earthlink.net Message from sender: interesting how civil they are. Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News URL: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10398053-71.html During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's

Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's Bill Gates is effusive in his praise for Steve Jobs and Apple. Something bad is about to happen. I just know it.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:09 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I realize that there are plenty of folks who, for whatever reason, want to keep their personal computers fully running on all cylinders at all times, never turning anything off or allowing any components go to sleep ever. Do these folks

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: Ok, I have a b**ch here. Has anyone else had a problem with burn in on their 24 intel iMacs? No, but I have read it can happen. Unlike CRT burn-in, it is a temporary situation. There are utility programs that can chase it away sooner. What

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, mike wrote: ESATA also..makes firewire look like a red headed step child. I don't think an ESATA cable will stand up to constant unplugging and replugging. Nor does it provide power. It is intended for an entirely different purpose.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread Tony B
I too understood that LCD monitors can't have burn-in. But exactly what is this 'persistence'? Clearly it's not burn-in, since that's a permanent condition of the phosphors and cannot be fixed short of replacing the crt. I'd like to hear some sort of an explanation of this phenomenon, and perhaps

Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News

2009-11-16 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Gates has been out of M$ long enough that he can afford to be gracious... No more babies to knife! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's Bill

[CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad

2009-11-16 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Such as this evil idea Apple has filed for patent? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/business/15digi.html?_r=2ref=business Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. FTFA: Its distinctive feature is a design that doesn't simply invite a user to pay attention to an ad - it

Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from doing this bad. * **

Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad

2009-11-16 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Okay, time will tell; but that type of thing does not fit the Apple Experience model. Here's one that may be more like it: Apple plans to release a new Concierge application for the iPhone and iPod touch that will allow customers to schedule appointments at retail stores, AppleInsider has been

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Yep, speed. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, mike wrote: ESATA also..makes firewire look like a red headed step child. I don't think an ESATA cable will stand up to constant unplugging and replugging. Nor does it provide power. It is

Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Wow that's funny. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from doing this bad.

Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad

2009-11-16 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Mike, you didn't elaborate, but it appears you meant Apple would not do that. Actually, they might to protect their brand against ad-supported freebie competition. Or even someone doing this with OS X. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Wow that's funny. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009

Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Yes, it's possible. But knowing the history of of large corporations I doubt it. I will be pleasantly surprised and happy to be wrong. Interesting also, the article points out the rarity of Jobs own name appearing on a patent. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)

Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News

2009-11-16 Thread db
What do you mean? Jobs is dying or MS stock it going to tank? db tjpa wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's Bill Gates is effusive in his praise for Steve Jobs and Apple. Something

[CGUYS] For the Serious MFB

2009-11-16 Thread mike
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/iphone-home-button-earrings-are-for-serious-fangirls-and-guy/ Tom now has the first item on his christmas list when he goes to sit on Santas lap. * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I too understood that LCD monitors can't have burn-in. But exactly what is this 'persistence'? Clearly it's not burn-in, since that's a permanent condition of the phosphors and cannot be fixed short of replacing the crt. I'd

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread b_s-wilk
I said this myself, this zino thing isn't aimed at the mac mini, different tools for different jobs. The zino doesn't need FW since it has the much faster ESATA. Sure looks like the Mac Mini. There are other form factors they could have used, but making it look like a Mini clone in black sure

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread Tony B
I dunno, he kind of dances around the question of what actually causes persistence: What this does is cause the LCD crystals to have a memory for their location in order to generate the colors of that graphic. I'm not even sure that's valid English. I _am_ sure it makes no sense to me. What is a

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
So now no one can build a square without it being a mac? Who said anything about editing video, you are missing the point of the zino entirely because you want to compare it to a mac mini. On Nov 16, 2009 3:56 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I said this myself, this zino thing isn't

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Many consumer Camcorders are no longer using tape but SDHC cards for storage. This negates firewire in that you take the card out and directly transfer the file created over to the system. Others are using mini-DVD's to save video files. For high end Firewire will still be the preferred but

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I dunno, he kind of dances around the question of what actually causes persistence: What this does is cause the LCD crystals to have a memory for their location in order to generate the colors of that graphic. I'm not even sure

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Won't see a mac mini either. On Nov 16, 2009 4:11 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Many consumer Camcorders are no longer using tape but SDHC cards for storage. This negates firewire in that you take the card out and directly transfer the file created over to the

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: In the non-Windows world 24/7 is normal. UNIX-based systems are not intended to be turned off. This caused some grief in the early days of OS X if Macs were turned off when clean-up scripts ran in the middle of the night. Recent

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread Jeff Miles
It's good to know this is something called persistence and will go away with time, as compared to permanent burn-in. I've already seen some of the cloudy persistence disappear, however the lines that look like horizontal scratches are back. This is probably due to the fact that I run

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video in real time without FireWire? Where are you going to put yet another power strip for eSATA. FW has its own

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread Jeff Miles
What would these utility programs be? I can't find one using Google. All I find are apps for keeping file info unchanged. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:41 AM, tjpa wrote: On Nov 16,

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: So now no one can build a square without it being a mac? Looks like a painted Mac Mini. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:18 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, but those UNIX systems that you are mentioning were or are mostly involved in business/professional operations, were they not? Mac folk who are not slackers?

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread Jeff Miles
I think I might have found a reason, and hopefully a fix for my problem. When I first got this new 24 iMac the display was set to it's brightest, I'm assuming by default. The computer sits on my desk at the same place the last ones have always sat. But the 24 screen set at it's full

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
For mass storage eSATA seems to be the better technology. For Video transfer from an outside source Firewire was the best. But as I said earlier for consumers that is no longer the case. Stewart At 05:57 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: Oh look, eSATA is not faster than FireWire... Transfer Rate -

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video in

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Indeed, it's square so it's a mac mini...and so is the Wii...and some of those low end dvd players, they are squares. All of em look like mac minis. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: So now no one can build a square without it

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Well FW is the best because it exists on many HD cams, so obviously you need that if you are transferring data from an HD cam. But to say this translates to FW being faster is incorrect. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: For mass storage

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
One of the reasons they are making PC's like this is that the board manufacturers have finally gotten rid of the mentality of oblong. I have seen some interesting designs for PC's in the last little while as they no longer need to follow the standard design. Expect more stuff like this in

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread Tony B
The Wikipedia article on LCD Persistence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_persistence) actually has a good explanation, FWIW. Perhaps the reason I haven't seen this on any of our monitors yet is because I have them all set to power down in 2-3 hours. I do not use screensavers. The cause of

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I usually have my systems set to blank the screen after a little while. No Screen savers. I also make it a point to turn off monitors (LCD/CRT) Stewart At 06:31 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: The Wikipedia article on LCD Persistence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_persistence) actually has a

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: What would these utility programs be? I can't find one using Google. All I find are apps for keeping file info unchanged. How To Fix Image Persistence On LCD Displays http://www.syeager.org/misc/image_presistence.php

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: It's good to know this is something called persistence and will go away with time, as compared to permanent burn-in. I've already seen some of the cloudy persistence disappear, however the lines that look like horizontal scratches are back.

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote: 800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait You don't know how to read specs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness,

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Or you need specs tor ead. Stewart At 07:24 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote: 800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait You don't know how to read specs. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems

2009-11-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:01 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Mac folk who are not slackers? Are there some? All Hail Bob!!! www.subgenius.com Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Well we've learned over time Tom's reality is different from others. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Or you need specs tor ead. Stewart At 07:24 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote: 800Mbps is

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:59 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: So now no one can build a square without it being a mac? Looks like a painted Mac Mini. More like a stack of two or three minis. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o)

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
My tower computer is 15 or so mac minis. On Nov 16, 2009 7:35 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:59 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: So now no one can build a square without it being a ... More like a stack of

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread tjpa
On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:59 PM, mike wrote: Well we've learned over time Tom's reality is different from others. I know Stewart knows how to read and interpret specs, but would rather follow the party line than correct Mike.

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
No was making a pun. I stated earlier. eSATA is great for Hard Drives etc. Firewire is still best for video. However many of the consumer CamCorders are using SDHC cards so they just pop in and transfer over. Stewart At 09:00 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:59 PM, mike

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Ok, one more try. You do realize the 800 in FW800 actually *means* something right? Here is a very nice, clean diagram from Wikipedia...but I'm sure you'll say they are just following some party line... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#SATA_in_comparison_to_other_buses Soon to come

[CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?

2009-11-16 Thread Marcio
Hi my friends I hav a blogg: http://www.drmarciovasconcellospinheiro.com (in Brazilian Portuguese). I have bought this domain through Goggle, for the period of one year ending in Feb 7, 2010. How do I make sure to renew the domain for another year? I can´t find my way going Google. Where do I

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:21 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Soon to come perhaps may be FW3200 which is faster then current ESATA speeds, although we have yet to see any mac with this spec.  Also if we are going to include soon to be or perhaps not so soon to be released specs, we would

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-11-16 Thread mike
Well this has become more about stopping the spread of misinformation. Some on the list might want to know that ESATA is much faster then FW800 because they could be looking to build something that it would matter. Others, perhaps most don't care because they don't have either one. These aren't