Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[Tony B]

You are correct. Well, sort of. According to
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/resources.aspx?mkt=en-us&s=1#mainNav
it runs on WinXP Sp2 or Sp3, Vista, And Win7. Nothing about a 64 bit
limitation. I know my own install is Win7 64 bit and it works.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Art Clemons  wrote:
>> FWIW, I've been using the new MS AV since I installed Win7. Not bad.
>> But it only works with Vista & Win7.
>
> No, the Security Essentials program although designed for Vista will
> install and run on both 32 bit WindowsXP and Windows 7.
>
> I don't think it will run on the 64 bit version.


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Re: [CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[Tony B]

Indexing is a Good Thing on modern computers with large hard drives. I
like the Win7 indexing, but I also have Google Desktop Indexing
installed. Of course, if I was like you and had a lot of super secret
things on my hard drive I can imagine this might be bad.


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Re: [CGUYS] Region 2 + language problem

[chad evans wyatt]

Ooops, needed to say that this in on a g4 laptop, running Tiger.  TIA

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, b_s-wilk  wrote:

From: b_s-wilk 
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Region 2
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:15 AM

mike  escribió:

> Check VLC, I think it's region free.

VLC, http://www.videolan.org/, works OK with our videos from Spain. Be sure 
that your default video player doesn't open first when you insert the DVD. Your 
computer may automatically reject the disk before VLC opens it.

Whatever happens, DON'T change the region code in your DVD burner. You can also 
buy commercial DVD players that ignore region codes so you can watch your 
movies on the huge TV you'll be getting on Black Friday. We have a Yamakawa 
that's region-free; there are many more, and they're not expensive. The 
Yamakawa was around $30, at least 5 years ago.

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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[Art Clemons]

> FWIW, I've been using the new MS AV since I installed Win7. Not bad.
> But it only works with Vista & Win7.

No, the Security Essentials program although designed for Vista will
install and run on both 32 bit WindowsXP and Windows 7.

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Re: [CGUYS] Region 2 + language problem

[chad evans wyatt]

Hello, all.  Got VLC up and running, after all, have run a Czech region2 film 
of Miloš Forman (Loves of a Blonde, for whom that might be of interest) with 
complete success.  Brilliant.  Thanks again to Mike for proposing this, and to 
Betty for urging me on.  Got it done.

But now I have a different problem.  While traveling recently in Central 
Europe, I foolishly  download the latest version of iTunes.  Successful, but 
came onboard in Polish.  Opening VLC here now came up in Polish, as well.  I am 
sort of comfortable with Slavic languages, but for navigating programs, better 
for me to work in English.  How do I get back there?

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, b_s-wilk  wrote:

From: b_s-wilk 
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Region 2
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:15 AM

mike  escribió:

> Check VLC, I think it's region free.

VLC, http://www.videolan.org/, works OK with our videos from Spain. Be sure 
that your default video player doesn't open first when you insert the DVD. Your 
computer may automatically reject the disk before VLC opens it.

Whatever happens, DON'T change the region code in your DVD burner. You can also 
buy commercial DVD players that ignore region codes so you can watch your 
movies on the huge TV you'll be getting on Black Friday. We have a Yamakawa 
that's region-free; there are many more, and they're not expensive. The 
Yamakawa was around $30, at least 5 years ago.

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Re: [CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[Fred Holmes]

I'm ridiculously annoyed by WinXP.  Among many annoyances is it's propensity to 
index everything.  I think having everything indexed is a security 
vulnerability.  If a 'bot is searching for something, all it has to do is 
search the index, which is not only quicker, it also is a lot less intrusive 
and therefore less likely to be noticed.  But I haven't found any way to turn 
WinXP indexing off and keep it off.  Especially the indexing it does of 
removable media.

There isn't really anything I want to do with my computer that Win2K won't do, 
except for occassional things such as this inability to connect directly with 
new digital cameras.  And that's a feature, I think, of the new cameras, not a 
bug.

Fred Holmes

At 10:08 PM 11/21/2009, Tony B wrote:
>Yes, I am ridiculously annoyed by those extra 4 drives as well, so I
>keep mine unplugged until it's needed. I'm also annoyed at Win2k so I
>haven't run it in years. Great in it's time, but no need for it now.


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Re: [CGUYS] foobar2000 super light weight audio player

[mike]

Thanks, Steve..I should have said that.

On Nov 21, 2009 9:31 PM, "phartz...@gmail.com"  wrote:

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:16 PM, mike  wrote: > For those
interested, Foobar2000...
 Let it be known that this is only for Windows users.  Others who may
be interested will be wasting their time.

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Re: [CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[Art Clemons]

> How does one access the dialog for turning off WinXP indexing?  Where is it 
> found?


It's been quite a while, but I most likely used a method quite similar
to the ones described in the following URLs.  I've had to do it more
than once, when you nuke & pave, then reinstall, indexing got
reactivated.  I might even have used both methods repeatedly depending
upon how I searched for a quick solution.  I know there are other
methods, and you may even get multiple other suggestions.  Still
indexing off was a major improvement with XP.  It will soon be a memory
for me and just that fortunately unless I'm silly enough to triple or
quad boot to keep XP running.

http://lifehacker.com/031440/turn-off-indexing-and-speed-up-windows-xp

http://www.windowsreference.com/windows-xp/how-to-turn-off-windows-indexing-service-in-xp/


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Re: [CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[Fred Holmes]

How does one access the dialog for turning off WinXP indexing?  Where is it 
found?


At 11:48 PM 11/21/2009, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
>Fred that can be turned off and I do. (turn it off)
>
>Stewart
>
>
>At 10:34 PM 11/21/2009, you wrote:
>>I'm ridiculously annoyed by WinXP.  Among many annoyances is it's propensity 
>>to index everything.  I think having everything indexed is a security 
>>vulnerability.  If a 'bot is searching for something, all it has to do is 
>>search the index, which is not only quicker, it also is a lot less intrusive 
>>and therefore less likely to be noticed.  But I haven't found any way to turn 
>>WinXP indexing off and keep it off.  Especially the indexing it does of 
>>removable media.
>>
>>There isn't really anything I want to do with my computer that Win2K won't 
>>do, except for occassional things such as this inability to connect directly 
>>with new digital cameras.  And that's a feature, I think, of the new cameras, 
>>not a bug.
>>
>>Fred Holmes
>>
>>At 10:08 PM 11/21/2009, Tony B wrote:
>>>Yes, I am ridiculously annoyed by those extra 4 drives as well, so I
>>>keep mine unplugged until it's needed. I'm also annoyed at Win2k so I
>>>haven't run it in years. Great in it's time, but no need for it now.


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Re: [CGUYS] syncing google calendar with a WM6 phone

[MrMike6by9]

My first gen Touch has Gmail installed as an Exchange account. As
such, my calendar and contacts are synced with the Google data over
WiFi. So, yes, it can be done as you want. However, I do so enjoy the
convenience of the data plan on my iPhone. It makes GSP/mapping, and
simple internet info queries so much easier. This summer, navigating
the NYC subway system was a breeze.

YMMV

> Date:    Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:42:34 -0500
> From:    Jeffrey Myers 
> Subject: Re: syncing google calendar with a WM6 phone
>
>
> P.S.--Guess I could buy that 64GB iPod Touch I've been lusting after and
> keep my calendar on that, using wi-fi to sync it with google calendar.  The
> $30 saved every month would pay for it in about a year, but I'm not quite
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Re: [CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Fred that can be turned off and I do. (turn it off)

Stewart


At 10:34 PM 11/21/2009, you wrote:
I'm ridiculously annoyed by WinXP.  Among many annoyances is it's 
propensity to index everything.  I think having everything indexed 
is a security vulnerability.  If a 'bot is searching for something, 
all it has to do is search the index, which is not only quicker, it 
also is a lot less intrusive and therefore less likely to be 
noticed.  But I haven't found any way to turn WinXP indexing off and 
keep it off.  Especially the indexing it does of removable media.


There isn't really anything I want to do with my computer that Win2K 
won't do, except for occassional things such as this inability to 
connect directly with new digital cameras.  And that's a feature, I 
think, of the new cameras, not a bug.


Fred Holmes

At 10:08 PM 11/21/2009, Tony B wrote:
>Yes, I am ridiculously annoyed by those extra 4 drives as well, so I
>keep mine unplugged until it's needed. I'm also annoyed at Win2k so I
>haven't run it in years. Great in it's time, but no need for it now.


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Re: [CGUYS] foobar2000 super light weight audio player

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:16 PM, mike  wrote:

> For those interested, Foobar2000 beta 1 was released.  Foobar2000 is a very
> light weight (read not itunes) that will play everything from MP3 to FLAC.
> Give it a whirl if all you want is a lightweight ripper/player.

  Let it be known that this is only for Windows users.  Others who may
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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[Tony B]

FWIW, I've been using the new MS AV since I installed Win7. Not bad.
But it only works with Vista & Win7.

Anyway, if you can't even install an AV app, clearly it's time for a
clean OS reinstall. There's stuff building up in there and you're
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Re: [CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[mike]

It's probably used for transferring more data then the older cameras did.  I
always used a card reader anyway, because transferring directly from cam to
computer always seemed to suck the batteries dry faster than anything else.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> Yes, I am ridiculously annoyed by those extra 4 drives as well, so I
> keep mine unplugged until it's needed. I'm also annoyed at Win2k so I
> haven't run it in years. Great in it's time, but no need for it now.
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Fred Holmes  wrote:
> > A five-year-old digital camera, connected to a USB port on a Win2k
> Machine, just automatically comes up as an additional [hard/flash] drive,
> and the picture [.jpg] files can be copied using Windows drag and drop or
> copy/paste procedures, etc. No user-initiated driver installation of any
> sort is necessary.  Whatever driver is needed comes with the OS and is
> installed automatically.
> >
> > Not so with any of three digital cameras purchased this year.  Drivers
> that work under Win2K aren't even available.  To get the pictures from the
> camera using the USB port on the camera, it must be connected to a WinXP
> machine, it seems.  Why are the camera manufacturers making it so hard?  Is
> this part of DRM?
> >
> > I can still get the pictures transferred from the camera to a Win2K
> machine by removing the camera's "memory" card and putting it into a card
> reader that is attached by USB to the Win2K machine, so the camera
> manufacturers are merely inconveniencing me a bit, not really preventing me
> from doing it.  The inconvenience is that the card reader is not connected
> "permanently" to the Win2K machine, so I have to fish it out of a drawer
> full of "stuff" when I want to use it.  Also, the card reader comes up as
> four different drives, for the four different slots for different typed of
> cards on the card reader, and the extra drives shown but not being used in
> MY Computer are sort of nuisance/distraction.
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Re: [CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[Chris Dunford]

Many newer cameras have two connection modes. One of them makes the camera look 
to the PC like a disk and one makes it look like, well, a camera. So, check 
your cameras and see if they have two
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[CGUYS] foobar2000 super light weight audio player

[mike]

http://www.foobar2000.org/

For those interested, Foobar2000 beta 1 was released.  Foobar2000 is a very
light weight (read not itunes) that will play everything from MP3 to FLAC.
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Re: [CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[Tony B]

Yes, I am ridiculously annoyed by those extra 4 drives as well, so I
keep mine unplugged until it's needed. I'm also annoyed at Win2k so I
haven't run it in years. Great in it's time, but no need for it now.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Fred Holmes  wrote:
> A five-year-old digital camera, connected to a USB port on a Win2k Machine, 
> just automatically comes up as an additional [hard/flash] drive, and the 
> picture [.jpg] files can be copied using Windows drag and drop or copy/paste 
> procedures, etc. No user-initiated driver installation of any sort is 
> necessary.  Whatever driver is needed comes with the OS and is installed 
> automatically.
>
> Not so with any of three digital cameras purchased this year.  Drivers that 
> work under Win2K aren't even available.  To get the pictures from the camera 
> using the USB port on the camera, it must be connected to a WinXP machine, it 
> seems.  Why are the camera manufacturers making it so hard?  Is this part of 
> DRM?
>
> I can still get the pictures transferred from the camera to a Win2K machine 
> by removing the camera's "memory" card and putting it into a card reader that 
> is attached by USB to the Win2K machine, so the camera manufacturers are 
> merely inconveniencing me a bit, not really preventing me from doing it.  The 
> inconvenience is that the card reader is not connected "permanently" to the 
> Win2K machine, so I have to fish it out of a drawer full of "stuff" when I 
> want to use it.  Also, the card reader comes up as four different drives, for 
> the four different slots for different typed of cards on the card reader, and 
> the extra drives shown but not being used in MY Computer are sort of 
> nuisance/distraction.


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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[mike]

Can you name another OS with very nearly the entire marketshare of desktop
OS's?

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:54 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Nov 21, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Christopher Range wrote:
>
>> Buy a mac
>>>
>> yuck
>>
>
> Tom says: yuck, yuck, yuck.
>
> You could also try Chrome or Ubuntu or many other alternatives. I know of
> only one OS so severely defective that it requires propping up with
> 3rd-party security patches.
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[CGUYS] Digital camera connected to USB port

[Fred Holmes]

A five-year-old digital camera, connected to a USB port on a Win2k Machine, 
just automatically comes up as an additional [hard/flash] drive, and the 
picture [.jpg] files can be copied using Windows drag and drop or copy/paste 
procedures, etc. No user-initiated driver installation of any sort is 
necessary.  Whatever driver is needed comes with the OS and is installed 
automatically. 

Not so with any of three digital cameras purchased this year.  Drivers that 
work under Win2K aren't even available.  To get the pictures from the camera 
using the USB port on the camera, it must be connected to a WinXP machine, it 
seems.  Why are the camera manufacturers making it so hard?  Is this part of 
DRM?

I can still get the pictures transferred from the camera to a Win2K machine by 
removing the camera's "memory" card and putting it into a card reader that is 
attached by USB to the Win2K machine, so the camera manufacturers are merely 
inconveniencing me a bit, not really preventing me from doing it.  The 
inconvenience is that the card reader is not connected "permanently" to the 
Win2K machine, so I have to fish it out of a drawer full of "stuff" when I want 
to use it.  Also, the card reader comes up as four different drives, for the 
four different slots for different typed of cards on the card reader, and the 
extra drives shown but not being used in MY Computer are sort of 
nuisance/distraction.

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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[mike]

Try installing in safe mode, running any antispyware you might have in safe
mode...

If all else fails, you may just have to bite the bullet and reinstall if you
think you've been compromised.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Christopher Range wrote:

> mike wrote:
>
>> What OS?  Some viruses keep AV from installing.  Try malwarebytes and see
>> what you find.
>>
> XP Pro SP3
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[Robert Carroll]

No help can I offer, but to say that I have installed AVG on Windows XP 
and used for years without any problems.  Perhaps you ought to try a 
free virus scan of your computer -- the free scan won't fix the problem 
but can detect if one exists. 

I would also search the web for a forum that specializes in virus scan 
problems to see if this problem has happened to others.



Christopher Range wrote:
I tried AVG and, Avast.  Neither one of them finished installing.  So 
I had to get rid of both of them.  I tried McAffee Security Suite via 
Comcast.  It never properly installed.  I went back to Norton Internet 
Security and, every time I try to do a full system scan, I get a 
BSOD(Blue Screen Of Death).  Yet, I can do a quick scan without any 
problems.  I know the Windows Installer is working.  Because I 
wouldn't have been able to install Firefox or, Thunderbird.


All ideas appreciated.

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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[Christopher Range]

mike wrote:

What OS?  Some viruses keep AV from installing.  Try malwarebytes and see
what you find.

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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[tjpa]

On Nov 21, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Christopher Range wrote:

Buy a mac

yuck


Tom says: yuck, yuck, yuck.

You could also try Chrome or Ubuntu or many other alternatives. I know  
of only one OS so severely defective that it requires propping up with  
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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[Christopher Range]

mike wrote:

PS, before Tom can say it

Buy a mac

yuck


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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[mike]

PS, before Tom can say it

Buy a mac

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM, mike  wrote:

> What OS?  Some viruses keep AV from installing.  Try malwarebytes and see
> what you find.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Christopher Range 
> wrote:
>
>> I tried AVG and, Avast.  Neither one of them finished installing.  So I
>> had to get rid of both of them.  I tried McAffee Security Suite via Comcast.
>>  It never properly installed.  I went back to Norton Internet Security and,
>> every time I try to do a full system scan, I get a BSOD(Blue Screen Of
>> Death).  Yet, I can do a quick scan without any problems.  I know the
>> Windows Installer is working.  Because I wouldn't have been able to install
>> Firefox or, Thunderbird.
>>
>> All ideas appreciated.
>>
>> Christopher
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Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software

[mike]

What OS?  Some viruses keep AV from installing.  Try malwarebytes and see
what you find.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Christopher Range wrote:

> I tried AVG and, Avast.  Neither one of them finished installing.  So I had
> to get rid of both of them.  I tried McAffee Security Suite via Comcast.  It
> never properly installed.  I went back to Norton Internet Security and,
> every time I try to do a full system scan, I get a BSOD(Blue Screen Of
> Death).  Yet, I can do a quick scan without any problems.  I know the
> Windows Installer is working.  Because I wouldn't have been able to install
> Firefox or, Thunderbird.
>
> All ideas appreciated.
>
> Christopher
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[Christopher Range]

I tried AVG and, Avast.  Neither one of them finished installing.  So I 
had to get rid of both of them.  I tried McAffee Security Suite via 
Comcast.  It never properly installed.  I went back to Norton Internet 
Security and, every time I try to do a full system scan, I get a 
BSOD(Blue Screen Of Death).  Yet, I can do a quick scan without any 
problems.  I know the Windows Installer is working.  Because I wouldn't 
have been able to install Firefox or, Thunderbird.


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Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple

[tjpa]

On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:25 AM, b_s-wilk wrote:
It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's  
overkill for an individual to store all personal files remotely.  
It's also stupid. Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files  
are locked away in the "cloud" until you can get them.


Letting the perfect become the enemy of the good.

It does not matter to me one whit that I can't get the cloud in the  
middle of the Kalahari, but as I travel to home and office and around  
town it would be a great convenience. Today I still use my PDA to  
carry all that with me. Soon it will be in the cloud and I'll be on  
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Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple

[tjpa]

On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:58 PM, db wrote:
Your point about the promenade of new software versions:  that's an  
easy issue to deal with:
Just stick with what you have got ... ignore new versions until it  
becomes obvious ... until you know a compelling reason for upgrading.
The companies are doing it mainly to keep their revenue stream going  
so there is very little if nothing you really need and usually  
upgrading just makes your situation worse... you have to relearn the  
program and suffer it's new glitches.


Oh so wrong. And Constance's complaint "that there are only 24 hours  
in a day" just compounds the error.


I am constantly at client's sites and see first hand how people use  
computers at work. It is painful. People do not know how to use their  
computers efficiently and are totally clueless about the latest  
enhancements that would greatly improve their productivity. They feel  
overburdened and complain about having no time, but if they knew what  
they were doing they could get their work done in half the time --  
actually often in much less then half the time. Sometimes I can't help  
myself and reach for somebody's mouse to fix something with a click or  
two. They are always so shocked, as if I were performing magic. If you  
spend your day on tasks that take you 10, 20, 30 minutes when they  
should be taking you 10, 20, 30 SECONDS you certainly will be  
complaining that there are only 24 hours in the day.


If you don't know how to use the latest software features you are  
wasting huge amounts of time. Software developers work hard to earn  
the upgrade price by studying how their software is used and adding  
new features that boot productivity.


I see nobody picked up on the rethinking of the file system. The way  
we store files is a real productivity killer. If Google fixes just  
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Re: [CGUYS] syncing google calendar with a WM6 phone

[Jeffrey Myers]

-- Forwarded message --
From: MrMike6by9 
To:
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:25:40 -0500
Subject: Re: syncing google calendar with a WM6 phone
You might be able to use nuevasync - www.nuevasync.com
I used it with WinMo Q9h before getting an iPhone in July.

Thanks for the suggestion, but nuevasync works over the air, and I need
something that works through a usb connection to a computer.

Since I never use the data plan I'm paying for (checking e-mail or browsing
the web on a Blackjack II isn't a very rewarding experience), I'm canceling
the data plan and using the phone only for calls, which will save me about
$30 a month for a service I don't use.  I would, however, like to keep a
copy of my calendar on the phone if I can sync with google calendar through
my desktop or laptop computers.  I really don't want to be forced to switch
back to Outlook, which would be very cumbersome.

Thanks, again,
Jeff Myers

P.S.--Guess I could buy that 64GB iPod Touch I've been lusting after and
keep my calendar on that, using wi-fi to sync it with google calendar.  The
$30 saved every month would pay for it in about a year, but I'm not quite
ready for that initial expense.


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Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple

[db]

Re: Your point about the promenade of new software versions:  that's an 
easy issue to deal with:
Just stick with what you have got ... ignore new versions until it 
becomes obvious ... until you know a compelling reason for upgrading. 

The companies are doing it mainly to keep their revenue stream going so 
there is very little if nothing you really need and usually upgrading 
just makes your situation worse... you have to relearn the program and 
suffer it's new glitches.


If your employer insists on upgrading your tools ... you have to go with 
it and it's no loss to you because they are paying for it and your 
wasted efficiency they are paying for also.


Re: the cloud:  I do sometimes wonder if this huge infrastructure will 
ever founder ... like wall street's deriviative system did when they 
built it on a false assumption.  But maybe the better analogy for the 
cloud is with the auto:  It could bring us related unforeseen problems 
but it won't completely fail us in any significant short term way.


But other than that seemingly esoteric arguement ... the cloud is 
getting to be a wonderful tool.
I myself find backup and remote access systems like Amazon's ..15/GB/mo 
JungleDisk and Google's .02/GB/mo Photo PicasaWeb to be incredibly 
powerful, rock solid and inexpensive tools, making incredible leveraged 
use of inexpensive storage hardware, broadband network and large scale 
of operation.


For me and many I know these two systems: so effortlessly  solve one of 
computing's biggest problems (reliable backup/ restore), are "falling 
off a log" easy to use and they do their unseen job around the clock, 
meticulously and effortlessly..


It's true someone is thinking up a new cloud app every day... but 
similar to new software versions, ...I don't worry about them until the 
time that their importance becomes evident to me.  Anything great always 
eventually makes it presence known.  I look for others... riding the 
bleeding edge ... to sort them out and let me know when and why I am 
compelled to use them.


Lists like this are a great early warning system for exactly that  purpose..

db



Constance Warner wrote:
I don't know about you, but the computer/ technology stuff you really 
need to know for an office job--or for most jobs, for that matter--is 
pretty easy to pick up.  And will be, as long as there are Visual 
Quick-Start Guides and O'Reilly books.  Computer books are a booming 
industry, the only problem with which is how to recycle the old ones 
for previous releases of Quark and Photoshop.  The other way you pick 
up on technology, software, and the web is that everybody is always 
talking about it--talking a LOT about it--both the stuff you need to 
know and the stuff you don't.  (Remember "All your base are belong to 
us", for example?)


As for security: a backup in the Cloud: yeah, I suppose, depending on 
what you're storing--I can think of stuff that would raise extreme 
security concerns if stored in the Cloud.


The main problem I have with the Cloud and similar phenomena is that 
there are only 24 hours in a day.  I have a lot of things I need to 
do, both on a computer and otherwise, and the time needed to master 
the latest bells and whistles takes time away from essential tasks.  I 
think, Holy Smokes, ANOTHER release of Photoshop?  When it's got more 
stuff in it now, than any one person even KNOWS about, let alone 
uses?  And what's this Twitter thing?  So, SO boring.  I'm not even 
interested in what I'M doing every minute of the day, let alone what 
anybody else is doing.


There is SO little time in life for writing, which is what I like to 
do.  So far, the Cloud isn't necessary to do that.


--Constance Warner


On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:55 AM, mike wrote:

A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm 
saying.

We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a decade, two
decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter 
than the

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Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple

[Constance Warner]

I don't know about you, but the computer/ technology stuff you really  
need to know for an office job--or for most jobs, for that matter--is  
pretty easy to pick up.  And will be, as long as there are Visual  
Quick-Start Guides and O'Reilly books.  Computer books are a booming  
industry, the only problem with which is how to recycle the old ones  
for previous releases of Quark and Photoshop.  The other way you pick  
up on technology, software, and the web is that everybody is always  
talking about it--talking a LOT about it--both the stuff you need to  
know and the stuff you don't.  (Remember "All your base are belong to  
us", for example?)


As for security: a backup in the Cloud: yeah, I suppose, depending on  
what you're storing--I can think of stuff that would raise extreme  
security concerns if stored in the Cloud.


The main problem I have with the Cloud and similar phenomena is that  
there are only 24 hours in a day.  I have a lot of things I need to  
do, both on a computer and otherwise, and the time needed to master  
the latest bells and whistles takes time away from essential tasks.   
I think, Holy Smokes, ANOTHER release of Photoshop?  When it's got  
more stuff in it now, than any one person even KNOWS about, let alone  
uses?  And what's this Twitter thing?  So, SO boring.  I'm not even  
interested in what I'M doing every minute of the day, let alone what  
anybody else is doing.


There is SO little time in life for writing, which is what I like to  
do.  So far, the Cloud isn't necessary to do that.


--Constance Warner


On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:55 AM, mike wrote:

A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm  
saying.
We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a  
decade, two
decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter  
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Re: [CGUYS] Region 2

[chad evans wyatt]

Thanks for your replies, I think I'll opt for a region-free player.  The VLC 
software has given me some troubles not worth chasing down.

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, b_s-wilk  wrote:

From: b_s-wilk 
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Region 2
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:15 AM

mike  escribió:

> Check VLC, I think it's region free.

VLC, http://www.videolan.org/, works OK with our videos from Spain. Be sure 
that your default video player doesn't open first when you insert the DVD. Your 
computer may automatically reject the disk before VLC opens it.

Whatever happens, DON'T change the region code in your DVD burner. You can also 
buy commercial DVD players that ignore region codes so you can watch your 
movies on the huge TV you'll be getting on Black Friday. We have a Yamakawa 
that's region-free; there are many more, and they're not expensive. The 
Yamakawa was around $30, at least 5 years ago.

VLC--Yes! Enjoy the videos, with popcorn!


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Re: [CGUYS] This brings me to another question...

[chad evans wyatt]

úspěšný

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, John Settle  wrote:

From: John Settle 
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] This brings me to another question...
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 11:00 AM

tjpa wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:13 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
>> Does the accent in _escribió_ appear in this message? How about here:
>
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[CGUYS] Seeing the future Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple

[mike]

In one persons lifetime we went from horse drawn carriages to landing on the
moon.  Do you think a person born in 1880, knew in say...1915 that he would
see someone walk on the moon?  Perhaps as the human race goes on, we are
more accustomed to larger leaps of science, I don't know, I was erring on
the side that I am not smarter than my grandfathers, I'm just born in a
different time.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Jeff Miles  wrote:

>Why do I so want to call Mike "Rush" here?
>While I do greatly appreciate your help with my cell phone's
> background screen, I have found you in the past a bit more ego involved then
> Betty has ever shown. Actually it doesn't really bother me that much. I
> realize we all have big egos. Some must show it more then others.
>As to your comment about what technology will be here in a decade,
> two decades, longer... I think we all have a pretty good idea of where it's
> going. Sure there will be occasional break throughs(sp) that will branch us
> off here and there, but for the most part? It's pretty easy to predict.
> Actually, in my lifetime things have gone much slower then most predicted.
> These foresighted prognosticators usually seem to forget to add a variable
> into the equation. That would be cost and where the public thinks it should
> be spending it's money. The health care debate is a perfect example.
>Sure, there will be small things along the way that lurch us forward
> that may or may not have been predicted, but for the most part, where we're
> going is pretty easy to see.
>
>
>
> Jeff Miles
> jmile...@charter.net
>
> Join my Mafia
> http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726
>
> On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote:
>
>  A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm saying.
>> We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a decade, two
>> decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter than
>> the
>> previous generations and will just grok it.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:25 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:
>>
>>  mike escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100 years
 ago
 ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those
 engines
 to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of horses.
 Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable, but it
 didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing about
 how
 bad those jalopies were.

 I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man with
 two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2,
 composer...friend to several presidents.  The computer was just beyond
 him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born in.
  Will
 we be like that when our children or grand children are running around
 with
 the newest tech?


>>>
>>> Hej sonny boy. Old folks in your great uncle's generation--and
>>> older--invented computers.
>>>
>>> I studied programming long before PCs. I've worked for companies via the
>>> Internet and never met any other employees in person. My brother and I
>>> built
>>> a mechanical computer as a school project [after the 5 foot slide rule
>>> was
>>> done]. There are sensible uses for technology, fun things to do,
>>> expensive
>>> business applications, and pie-in-the-sky geek fantasies.
>>>
>>> It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's
>>> overkill
>>> for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also stupid.
>>> Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away in the
>>> "cloud" until you can get them. I store duplicates of important files on
>>> the
>>> Internet for when we're traveling. Most of the time I can't access them
>>> from
>>> our remote locations, so I have to carry cryptic info with me.
>>>
>>> Put your imagination to work on something more useful. Why not write some
>>> viruses? That's a fun hobby.
>>>
>>> Betty
>>>
>>>
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Re: [CGUYS] This brings me to another question...

[John Settle]

tjpa wrote:

On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:13 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:

Does the accent in _escribió_ appear in this message? How about here:


Looks good here. Thunderbird Mail on XP Pro.






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Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours

[tjpa]

On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Fred Holmes wrote:
With the logic you present below, MS should try to write code so  
that Windows won't run in any fashion on a Mac?  Someone's business  
model is flawed?


Why limit it to that? Why does not M$ write their code so that W7 only  
runs on HP hardware?



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Re: [CGUYS] syncing google calendar with a WM6 phone

[MrMike6by9]

You might be able to use nuevasync - www.nuevasync.com
I used it with WinMo Q9h before getting an iPhone in July.

YMMV

> From:    Jeffrey Myers 
> Subject: syncing google calendar with a WM6 phone
>
> Is there an equivalent of MS ActiveSync I can use to sync my Samsung
> Blackjack II WM6 phone and google calendar through my computer.  I want to
> avoid having to go through MS Outlook.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Myers
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Re: [CGUYS] This brings me to another question...

[tjpa]

On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:13 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:

Does the accent in _escribió_ appear in this message? How about here:


Looks fine here (Apple Mail on OS X Leopard).


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Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple

[Jeff Miles]

Why do I so want to call Mike "Rush" here?
	While I do greatly appreciate your help with my cell phone's  
background screen, I have found you in the past a bit more ego  
involved then Betty has ever shown. Actually it doesn't really bother  
me that much. I realize we all have big egos. Some must show it more  
then others.
	As to your comment about what technology will be here in a decade,  
two decades, longer... I think we all have a pretty good idea of where  
it's going. Sure there will be occasional break throughs(sp) that will  
branch us off here and there, but for the most part? It's pretty easy  
to predict. Actually, in my lifetime things have gone much slower then  
most predicted. These foresighted prognosticators usually seem to  
forget to add a variable into the equation. That would be cost and  
where the public thinks it should be spending it's money. The health  
care debate is a perfect example.
	Sure, there will be small things along the way that lurch us forward  
that may or may not have been predicted, but for the most part, where  
we're going is pretty easy to see.



Jeff Miles
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On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote:

A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm  
saying.
We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a decade,  
two
decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter  
than the

previous generations and will just grok it.


On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:25 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:


mike escribió:



I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100  
years

ago
ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those
engines
to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of  
horses.
Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable,  
but it
didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing  
about

how
bad those jalopies were.

I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man  
with

two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2,
composer...friend to several presidents.  The computer was just  
beyond
him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born  
in.  Will
we be like that when our children or grand children are running  
around

with
the newest tech?




Hej sonny boy. Old folks in your great uncle's generation--and
older--invented computers.

I studied programming long before PCs. I've worked for companies  
via the
Internet and never met any other employees in person. My brother  
and I built
a mechanical computer as a school project [after the 5 foot slide  
rule was
done]. There are sensible uses for technology, fun things to do,  
expensive

business applications, and pie-in-the-sky geek fantasies.

It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's  
overkill
for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also  
stupid.
Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away  
in the
"cloud" until you can get them. I store duplicates of important  
files on the
Internet for when we're traveling. Most of the time I can't access  
them from

our remote locations, so I have to carry cryptic info with me.

Put your imagination to work on something more useful. Why not  
write some

viruses? That's a fun hobby.

Betty



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Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple

[Jeff Miles]

	You forgot to mention, why would anyone store anything "extremely"  
important on any computer media or in the cloud? That's why safe  
deposit boxes were invented. Safe from almost anything except maybe a  
nuclear blast. And even then...
	Other stuff just really isn't that important for the average user. If  
you really are going to need something while traveling and worried  
about one service or the other being down, email it to yourself and  
have multiple mailboxes set up on different servers. Mail it to all  
your email boxes at once. I doubt they'd all go down at once.
	I may or may not have the idea of the cloud down pat, but from what  
I've gathered, it takes out a rather key aspect in safety, that would  
be multiple duplication in separate systems.



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On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:25 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


mike escribió:

I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100  
years ago
ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those  
engines
to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of  
horses.
Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable,  
but it
didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing  
about how

bad those jalopies were.
I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man  
with

two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2,
composer...friend to several presidents.  The computer was just  
beyond
him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born  
in.  Will
we be like that when our children or grand children are running  
around with

the newest tech?



Hej sonny boy. Old folks in your great uncle's generation--and  
older--invented computers.


I studied programming long before PCs. I've worked for companies via  
the Internet and never met any other employees in person. My brother  
and I built a mechanical computer as a school project [after the 5  
foot slide rule was done]. There are sensible uses for technology,  
fun things to do, expensive business applications, and pie-in-the- 
sky geek fantasies.


It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's  
overkill for an individual to store all personal files remotely.  
It's also stupid. Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files  
are locked away in the "cloud" until you can get them. I store  
duplicates of important files on the Internet for when we're  
traveling. Most of the time I can't access them from our remote  
locations, so I have to carry cryptic info with me.


Put your imagination to work on something more useful. Why not write  
some viruses? That's a fun hobby.


Betty


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