There is just as much distraction by co-drivers and back seat drivers.
I constantly have to remind my wife to let me do the driving so I can
keep my eyes on all hazards and traffic, instead of the one she just saw.
Stewart
At 01:12 AM 8/7/2009, you wrote:
As a pedestrian in the Washington,
For maybe 20 years I've been putting Beltronics remote radar detectors
in my cars. Crutchfield used to sell them. I don't know if they still do.
But the receiver was mounted behind the car grill and a tiny unit is
mounted inside the car, preferably out of site. Nothing blocking the
view.
Valentine One has the same. Elegant is the word.
cb via iphone.
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On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:23, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote:
For maybe 20 years I've been putting Beltronics remote radar
detectors in my cars. Crutchfield used to sell them. I don't know if
they still do.
Constance Warner wrote:
As a pedestrian in the Washington, D.C. area, I'm in favor of anything
that will improve my odds of survival, even by just a few percentage
points. If windshield-mounted GPS units and similar devices make it
more likely for pedestrians to get mowed down by vehicles,
I don't use GPS. I use a compass and map--not while I'm driving,
usually. They don't talk, however some GPS units do, so you don't have
to look at them. I have E-Z Pass as well as a bar code decal for the
Susquehanna bridge on US 40. The E-Z Pass instructions show the pass
attached to the
I recognize that sentiment.
(It helped if I told her to turn the map around or to turn it in the
direction we were going!)
Stewart
At 10:43 AM 8/7/2009, you wrote:
Once upon a time I used road maps and map books too. Or rather, I
drove while wife attempted to read a map. She doesn't read
On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:12 AM, Constance Warner wrote:
The fact that people engage in a lot of other risky behavior in
cars, with or without computerized components, is no argument in
favor of allowing windshield-mounted GPS units. They're a
distraction, however slight, and the difference
Today the radical right announced a move to allow gun carry in DC. This
would allow the driver to fire off a few warning rounds to discourage you
from blocking their right of way. No word on where gun racks would be
allowed in cars.
You really want to debate this? I somehow thought you
On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote:
If you want to debate the Second Amendment, I suggest that there are
more appropriate forums.
By order of the Supreme: Misinterpretations of the second amendment
are off topic. Auto safety is marginally on topic. Autos festooned
with
I agree with the comments made here on this subject but submit that the
essence of the problem lies with the lack of common sense of most drivers.
I have a GPS mounted on my windshield. But it is mounted such that it
does not block my view of the road. And I am very careful about what
kind of
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Jordanjor17...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with the comments made here on this subject but submit that the
essence of the problem lies with the lack of common sense of most drivers.
I have a GPS mounted on my windshield. But it is mounted such that it does
not
Everyone who has such a device mounted to their windshield will say
that it does not block their view. Would you really expect to hear
anyone say otherwise?
I have a windshield-mounted GPS in one of our cars. It does block my view. It
blocks my view of a small part of the hood.
phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
Everyone who has such a device mounted to their windshield will say
that it does not block their view. Would you really expect to hear
anyone say otherwise?
Agreed. It's still a lack of common sense thing. It would not surprise
me at all to hear someone who has
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a windshield-mounted GPS in one of our cars. It does block my view. It
blocks my view of a small part of the hood.
You are, in al probability, operating your vehicle illegally. Even
though the state of California
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jordanjor17...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly! Mine does not block my view anymore than that sticker. The road can
not be seen through the part of the windshield it blocks.
Actually, and I did not mention this previously so we must remain
quiet about it, but in
phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jordanjor17...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly! Mine does not block my view anymore than that sticker. The road can
not be seen through the part of the windshield it blocks.
Actually, and I did not mention this previously so we
On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jordan wrote:
Silly, extreme and unmanageable. Virginia isn't too swift in some
ways. But I guess all states have their weird laws.
Ninety percent of drivers claim to be above average and therefore
think they should be allowed to paste any junk they want on
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Jordan wrote:
I agree with the comments made here on this subject but submit that
the essence of the problem lies with the lack of common sense of
most drivers.
This suggests a different way to solve the problem: simply revoke the
licenses of everyone who lacks
The brain will train to see ahead with seemingly unblocked view despite
objects in the way ...extrapolation and parallax compensates ...however, there
is still a blind spot which is not really seen and it would be worthwhile
to remove such objects to save one little kid...
-Original
However, many cars now have a drop-angle hood specially to allow close view
to the front of the car to avoid hitting little kids, etc. while having the
whole windshield see ahead... my old Chevy s10 blazer showed me the whole
hood, my Toyota highlander shows me none of the hood.
-Original
My GPS is 3.5 which blocks less and is perfectly usable and auto zooms so I
don't hafta focus on it to see. It has a night feature that lowers the
brightness and uses a less colorful display to avoid night-blind effect of
foreground contrast, and it has a safety feature where you set a speed
Ninety percent of drivers claim to be above average and therefore
think they should be allowed to paste any junk they want on their
windshields.
And how do you know that 90% of drivers AREN'T above average?
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Teenage drivers are 99 % sure they are good drivers and frequently
show that they are not.
Stewart
At 11:55 AM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
Ninety percent of drivers claim to be above average and therefore
think they should be allowed to paste any junk they want on their
windshields.
This is just
Hey...what about my purple dice and my rubber duckie not to mention my
crystal that sparkles and my graduation tassel ...some people have a buncha
stuff hangin'round the mirror!!
-Original Message-
From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009
Math.
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote:
Ninety percent of drivers claim to be above average and therefore
think they should be allowed to paste any junk they want on their
windshields.
And how do you know that 90% of drivers AREN'T above
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Rev. Stewart
Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
Teenage drivers are 99 % sure they are good drivers and frequently show that
they are not.
About three months or so ago I saw a teenage girl driving with a
point-and-shoot digital camera affixed to her
And how do you know that 90% of drivers AREN'T above average?
Math.
Joke.
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3 Teenagers and one totaled vehicle later I am still adamant about
not letting them have their license until they are ready. Last one
was 19 before he got his. Totalled vehicle 2 weeks alter.
Stewart
At 12:42 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Rev. Stewart
We had a momkid killed by an idiot who had lotsa stuff hangin' and didn't
see them ...we also had a cop with cop-crap in the windshield and a
computer and a shotgun and went through a red light and killed a set of twin
teens drivin' along ...he got convicted of manslaughter...
-Original
I spent quite a bit of time in VA having worked in the Cumberland Gap
(driving backforth to sNJ) and also in the eastern shore (down by the entry
of the bridge-tunnel) backforth as well ...what with all the talk about
jersey drivers I must say I found MD and VA drivers to be less predictable
and
On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
And how do you know that 90% of drivers AREN'T above average?
Too many recent discussions here seem to be of that ilk.
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Like the children of Lake Wobegon.
Chris Dunford wrote:
And how do you know that 90% of drivers AREN'T above average?
Math.
Joke.
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Like you implied, common sense and responsibility is a very rare
commodity. I totally agree. I'm one of those who is against the $100
ticked or whatever is charged where you live, for using a cell phone
while driving. It think these people should be charged the same as
drunk drivers. Same
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On Behalf Of Jeff Miles
Sent: 08/06/2009 3:57 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Like you implied, common sense and responsibility is a very rare
commodity. I totally agree. I'm one of those who is against the $100
ticked
I'm feeling pedantic today:
If 90% had 100 and 10% had 0, then the average is 90.
Result: 90% are above average.
Math alone isn't sufficient justification.
From:Mike xha...@gmail.com
Math.
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote:
Ninety
Constance Warner wrote:
Great essay! I'd be in favor of ticketing drivers who mount GPS units
and other such devices on their windshields, and I hope it soon
becomes similarly illegal to mount laptop support brackets inside
cars--a truly terrifying prospect.
This is another black or white
Nice common sense observation. GPS is a tool. Resposible use is a good
thing and improves society. Just like guns for example.
cb via iphone.
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On Aug 6, 2009, at 16:01, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.com
wrote:
Constance Warner wrote:
Great essay! I'd be in
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Robert Carrollcarrollcompu...@gmail.com wrote:
This is another black or white debate -- meaning that either all electronic
devices such as GPS units or cell phones should be banned, or there should
be no laws regarding their use in cars.
The thread was not
First, there has not been a recognition in this debate that using
the devices, particularly the GPS unit, improves driving safety.
I have to agree that searching for addresses as you drive is risky
business. I don't have a GPS, but I thought they talked to you?
No matter where such a
tell that to the majority of imbiciles on the road ...they think the mirror
is for putting on lipstick or hangin trophy underwear...
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote:
I have an old Garmin Quest in my Volvo V70, which has something of a drop
hood. But I can mount
the GPSs that i am acquainted with (some Garmin models) talk, yes!
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote:
First, there has not been a recognition in this debate that using the
devices, particularly the GPS unit, improves driving safety.
I have to agree that
It's 4sure a DOS attack from all those guys in ILKton MD and such...
-Original Message-
From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars
On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
And how do you know that 90% of
Sue Cubic wrote:
I've not travelled much out of my area since my husband died, but I'm
thinking I might like a GPS. Please tell me that I can get one that
talks?
You'd be surprised what you can stick on your dashboard.
Sue
As far as I know, nearly all GPS systems talk. I prefer to follow
I am really waiting for the ones that will broadcast onto your
windshield like a heads up display.
If most of the dash info (spedo, tach fuel etc.) could be done this
way would not necessitate taking eyes off of the road so much.
Stewart
Stewart
At 05:46 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
There
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Robert L Simonrleesi...@gmail.com wrote:
tell that to the majority of imbiciles on the road ...they think the mirror
is for putting on lipstick or hangin trophy underwear...
Doing a search on the internet for large screen GPS devices turns up
a number of them
However, and I'm not
kidding when I say this, it is my firm belief that all too many folks
want to attach these devices to their windshield in order to impress.
Au contraire. A windshield-mounted GPS means that you couldn't afford a car
with an in-dash GPS. It's damned embarrassin'.
It is another form of rationing!
Cant afford them.
Stewart
At 06:16 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
However, and I'm not
kidding when I say this, it is my firm belief that all too many folks
want to attach these devices to their windshield in order to impress.
Au contraire. A windshield-mounted
Unless you own a car like mine which will not allow you to change out
the radio for anything other than factory.
07 Taurus the radio is combined with the AC/controls and cannot be changed out.
Beleive me I checked into it.
Stewart
At 06:17 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
Doing a search on the
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Rev. Stewart
Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
If most of the dash info (spedo, tach fuel etc.) could be done this way
would not necessitate taking eyes off of the road so much.
Does one really need to take their eyes off the road all that much?
What is
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com wrote:
Au contraire. A windshield-mounted GPS means that you couldn't afford a car
with an in-dash GPS. It's damned embarrassin'.
Point taken, but I still think that you got my drift.
Steve
Some of
the ads for these specifically tout the great advantage of being able
be entertained by movies as you drive on long trips. A truly great
idea!
I haven't seen a system that will play movies on the main screen while the car
is in gear. Typically these systems play on a second,
I take it that you don't use a temperature gauge or volt/ammeter in
your vehicles... I find them quite useful to monitor, especially on a
long trip.
Richard P.
If most of the dash info (spedo, tach fuel etc.) could be done this way
would not necessitate taking eyes off of the road so much.
I do too. Keeps you up to date (to a point) on what is transpiring
under the hood.
Stewart
At 07:36 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
I take it that you don't use a temperature gauge or volt/ammeter in
your vehicles... I find them quite useful to monitor, especially on a
long trip.
Richard P.
Rev.
07 or 97? The 07's have the square-ish double-din radio opening; the 97's
had the jellybean motif.
You can replace the jellybeans with an aftermarket mask that goes over the
heat/AC controls at Crutchfield. I had a 96.
-Original Message-
Unless you own a car like mine which will not
07
last year the last body style was produced. Bought it used it was a
rental car before.
Stewart
At 07:44 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
07 or 97? The 07's have the square-ish double-din radio opening; the 97's
had the jellybean motif.
You can replace the jellybeans with an aftermarket mask
07
last year the last body style was produced. Bought it used it was a
rental car before.
Oh, you mean the fleet production model of the old jellybean style. I
forgot they were still making them. I was thinking you meant the Five
Hundred body style that was renamed the Taurus in 07.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Richard P.richs...@gmail.com wrote:
I take it that you don't use a temperature gauge or volt/ammeter in
your vehicles... I find them quite useful to monitor, especially on a
long trip.
I said that I do not have a need to constantly keep looking at my
gauges.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't seen a system that will play movies on the main screen while the
car is in gear. Typically these systems play on a second, roof-mounted screen
for the rear-seat passengers and will only play
on the main screen
Seems2me I recall, many moons ago, I bought an old fashioned original
Passport radar detector (around 1980, was $300+ back then, but after I got
nailed 3x in 1 week rushing to the hospital during my fellowship while on
call, I bit the bullet...bought one offa ebay for the wife 2 yrs ago for $10
Sho nuf...dude ...about 6 years back we got rear-ended by some 16yo while we
were stopped at a red light cuz the girl was chattin' up her bffs of which
she had a carful ...local LE was friendly with her dad so nothing got done
about it ...my wife suffered for coupl'a years from neck pain, had a
Because, quite simply, without data to compare drivers with and without such
devices that you allege to be obscuring view and I infer causing accidents,
we cannot conclude anything ...for cellphones the stats are in and many
(including NJ and PA) have bans ...as a matter of fact, the NJ ban
www.crutchfield.com
Stewart
At 08:38 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't seen a system that will play movies on the main screen
while the car is in gear. Typically these systems play on a second,
roof-mounted screen for
Yeah 07 was the last year that they produced the old body style and
it was only sold to fleet customers. We bought it end of 07 as they
began to show up in the used market.
It was just right also as we traded in a Chrysler TC. Decreased my
gas buying by about 1/3. Looked much better as
Should drivers who are operating private vehicles with computerized
gadgets affixed to windshields be subject to ticketing? Such devices,
mounted to windshields, or that in any way prevent an unobstructed
view, are illegal in every state. Still, almost all makers of such
devices provide
Great essay! I'd be in favor of ticketing drivers who mount GPS
units and other such devices on their windshields, and I hope it soon
becomes similarly illegal to mount laptop support brackets inside
cars--a truly terrifying prospect. Though I don't know how a
highway patrol officer
It seems to me that any gadgets that are not directly involved with
_driving_ should not be allowed to be used by drivers. How much
simpler can it get? Program your GPS before you leave!
Haul anything you want in the back seat. Allow back seat passengers
to do whatever they want. But keep
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Constance Warnercawar...@his.com wrote:
Great essay! I'd be in favor of ticketing drivers who mount GPS units and
other such devices on their windshields, and I hope it soon becomes
similarly illegal to mount laptop support brackets inside cars--a truly
This thread reminds me of the story I got from a Volvo salesman. I had
had several over the years and was looking for a new one in the late
1980's. Volvo was one of the last makes to not have coffee cup holders.
The excuse I got from the salesman was that their Swedish engineers
were adamant
On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote:
This thread reminds me of the story I got from a Volvo salesman. I
had had several over the years and was looking for a new one in the
late 1980's. Volvo was one of the last makes to not have coffee cup
holders. The excuse I got from the
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