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From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:21:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Advertising for cell phones
These days a $1,600 computer
for a nine year old is par for the course, along with the cellphone
typically
feel ignored, or worse, don't realize what they've missed. Not a
choice I would make personally.
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From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:21:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Advertising for cell
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:
Also leads me to ask, is the word chores obsolete now? Or at least
when it comes to children? Or is expecting a child to do chores now
considered child abuse? Hmmm, I wonder if that's where that work ethic might
I did competitive swimming in HS (local Swim Club) and all we were
required to buy was the speedo in the correct team color.
Sports is now one of the most expensive and time consuming hobbies
a child can get involved in.
Stewart
At 06:53 PM 7/17/2009, you wrote:
I'll mention one more
Sports is now one of the most expensive and time consuming hobbies
a child can get involved in.
A bumper sticker on the wall at the ice rink where my son is learning to
play hockey: Driver carries no cash. My child plays hockey.
Yay.
Several actually. And that was back in the 60's and 70's before all
this touchy feely type education. Oh wait, that stuff gets you
arrested. I should say the understand/communicate in the way a
phycologist would? That's not quite right either. Oh hell, it's like
the saying on porn, you
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:
Several actually. And that was back in the 60's and 70's before all
this touchy feely type education.
I was in school even a bit prior to that era, and I did not need to
be educated in a classroom about how to
On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Jeff Miles wrote:
People are constantly complaining that schools aren't doing their
job when it comes to education. But then they turn around and
complain when their kids are given to much homework. It seems some
parents believe kids learning starts at 8am and
Your parents probably didn't anoint you either. From a young age, proving
yourself was expected, so for you normal.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:
Several actually.
It was our culture plus expected behavior.
Stewart
At 05:00 PM 7/16/2009, you wrote:
I was in school even a bit prior to that era, and I did not need to
be educated in a classroom about how to behave when working on a job.
It was instinctive with me. It wasn't play, it was work, even if
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:
Your parents probably didn't anoint you either. From a young age, proving
yourself was expected, so for you normal.
Good point and true. They didn't go around buying me all sorts of
crap. They apparently did not fear that I
These days a $1,600 computer
for a nine year old is par for the course, along with the cellphone,
the game machine. the digital camera and Lord knows what else. And we
wonder why so many seem to need special ed to know the difference
betewwn work and play?
Even then, there are levels of
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
They read quite a bit, play outside and play with Legos, too. My daughter
writes poetry, makes films, draws prodigiously and my son, well, he's not
too creative, but he loves playing sports. I believe that everything can
And some people wonder why our school system here in the US is so
lacking. On-the-job behavior should have been learned in grade school.
After all, schooling is, or was supposed to be, learning to do a job
and how to act and be productive in adult life.
Jeff M
On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16
You're a Mac advocate so I usually cut you slack, but sometimes
you're just out there. If I'm thinking of the incident that Jeff
W. is talking about, the bus driver was texting while driving.
I also heard of something like this in Disney World lately. It's been
awhile since I've been
I thought it was where kids were warehoused until their parents got
home from work and could then teach their kids to parrot back the
homework sent home with them. You mean the kids were supposed to
learn something beyond playground / lunchroom rules while at school?
Matthew
On Jul 15,
They should start fining texting and cell phone users the same as
they do drunk drivers. From what I've read, both the English and
American insurance investigations have shown cell phones cause more
accidents then drunk drivers.
I listen to my local police scanner over the web. Police, at
Just a thought here, but didn't theaters have, or do have something
that dampens the use of cell phones? And if so, why not incorporate
this in places where cell phones could be hazardous, like public life?
Jeff M
On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:45 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14,
I believe that's illegal, it is in some states at least.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote:
Just a thought here, but didn't theaters have, or do have something
that dampens the use of cell phones? And if so, why not incorporate this in
places where
I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how
stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't
available, leave a voice message? Text messaging is stupid. I'd never
pay for it as a parent.
I send text messages to my son all the time. When he can't talk on
On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:14 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
Texts aren't pointless. TWITTER is pointless. Twitter is for people
who have nothing to say, but say it anyway.
You all have me laughing. None of these technologies is pointless to
somebody who sees their point. Each has a specific benefit that
On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote:
If I'm thinking of the incident that Jeff W. is talking about, the
bus driver was texting while driving.
This one was reading a book.
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote
This one was reading a book.
Allegedly reading a book is more like it. An investigation is
underway during which time the operator is niot allowed to drive a
bus. I believe that transit authorities are only admitting that the
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
I judge people by what they accomplish, not whether the look good while
accomplishing it.
I do too, and that is why the use of technology as I have described
bugs me so much. This person does not get their work done on time
Don't blame technology if the problem is bad management.
Note that in some cases, playing Solitaire can actually boost
productivity. People who are working hard can't effectively maintain
that pace all day long. Taking a break can be a good thing.
Looks to me like the real problem is that
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:52 AM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
Don't blame technology if the problem is bad management.
It is bad management, that much is for sure. However, the fact the
persons can hold their tiny cell phones under a desk and therefore
mask the fact that they are text
Don't blame the technology blame the people.
Part of the problem with technology is that it can be used to cover
our inadequacies and take the place of real dialogue.
My wife is normally very timid and self conscious. If I take her out
she will stand by my side and not say much, but get her
All of these excuses remind me of my kid. But I have to know where
my friend's at, so I know what he's doing, so I know what we're going
to do later. And what are you going to do later? Nothing, you know,
hang out, and stuff.
By the way, just kind of my feelings on the matter, but not
Don't blame the technology blame the people.
Agreed. I tell this to our managers when they want to know if X on the
Internet can be blocked because their staff are spending too much time on
it. Usually, it's Facebook.
Yes, I can block X. However, that still doesn't address the problem that
Truly amazing!
We has a somewhat similar problem. I am the chair of our county mosquito
control commission. Every summer we hire seasonal workers, usually
college science students, to do field work - surveying for breeding
sites, etc. This year we found that we had to develop and promulgate a
Truly amazing!
We has a somewhat similar problem. I am the chair of our county mosquito
control commission. Every summer we hire seasonal workers, usually
college science students, to do field work - surveying for breeding
sites, etc. This year we found that we had to develop and promulgate
This is true of almost anybody on their first job. They have to learn
that on-the-job behavior is different from off-the-job behavior. Up
to now they have only experienced the latter. That's the point of a
first job.
On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Mike Sloane wrote:
And we had to make it
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
What I find amazing is that you have to tell someone to not text while
driving. Get a brain morans!
Virginia just passed a vicious law ($20 fine!) if you are caught
texting while driving. Every person I know of who is a
So somebody just used their evil cell phone to take pictures of the
bus driver reading a book while driving. Anyone for book burning?
On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
This is now a big thing with the public transit agencies, after
some high
profile incidents, where possible
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
Maybe their Facebook friends are helping with the job? You never know.
Gimme a break. They are all too narcissistic for that. Al they
want to do is talk about themselves.
Steve
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
So somebody just used their evil cell phone to take pictures of the bus
driver reading a book while driving. Anyone for book burning?
Maybe he was reading a book about how to best be able to operate a bus.
Steve
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
This is now a big thing with the public transit agencies, after some high
profile incidents, where possible operator inattention (and may or may not
have involved texting) led to death and injuries. DC and Baltimore Metros
I can't believe my eyes, After all this time I actually agree
with 100% of what TP wrote. :) Most of the time my BS filter
intercepts TP's rants but this time He is correct. What the hell
is this world coming to.?
Rich
At 12:03 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote:
Date:Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:52:24
Alas, this was true in the Old Days, but as has been pointed out on
this list before, what used to be classic phone service has slowly
been changing over the years. Sometimes it's obvious when someone
installs VOIP, sometimes it's not so obvious when the phone company
just changes things behind
On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:47 PM, Jeff Miles wrote:
A wife of a friend of mine calls and ichats all the time. It's
annoying as hell.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misanthropy
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This is fairly normal behavior for humans. Normal people are very
social. They like to interact with other people and make plans for
future opportunities for further social interaction. 6 to 7
instances of social interaction in an 8 hour work day is hardly
noteworthy.
On Jul 12, 2009, at
A wife of a friend of mine calls and ichats all the time. It's
annoying as hell.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misanthropy
Or, she's just annoying as hell.
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This is fairly normal behavior for humans. Normal people are very
social. They like to interact with other people and make plans for
future opportunities for further social interaction. 6 to 7
instances of social interaction in an 8 hour work day is hardly
noteworthy.
I read that as she
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
This is fairly normal behavior for humans. Normal people are very social.
They like to interact with other people and make plans for future
opportunities for further social interaction. 6 to 7 instances of social
interaction in an
One of my bosses is like this. She'll get on the phone with a client
and spend an hour without thinking anything of it. e.g. When I
answered phones, I'd get their number/email and send a fax/email with
directions. She laboriously walks them through directions on the
phone, having them write it
Wrong. You mention 6-7 interactions being not noteworthy. You failed
to include 6-7 cell phone interactions. At the work place, if your job
doesn't require a phone, it's very noteworthy. If it isn't required
and interrupts job performance the person should be warned. If the
activity isn't
There you go. I think I've heard the same story about 20 times. And
telling her you've heard this before doesn't stop her. I have been
reduced to using the away or invisible option on iChat. The persons
who included these options truly understand how annoying cell phones
can be.
Jeff M
On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:51 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd say that about one
to two hours a day on the phone is kinda normal. Now, to me, that is
very bad, and indicates some sort of an emotional problem.
I judge people by what they accomplish, not whether the look good
while
You own cell phone stock don't you?
On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:50 PM, t.piwowar wrote:
On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:51 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd say that about one
to two hours a day on the phone is kinda normal. Now, to me, that is
very bad, and indicates some sort of an emotional
I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how
stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't
available, leave a voice message? Text messaging is stupid. I'd never
pay for it as a parent. I don't use it as an adult. So my feeling is,
unless you're
The shared nature of the cell phone system makes texting much more
reliable than voice. The first thing to go down during any emergency
is cell phones. The voice part, anyway.
I use it all the time to email the wife. I don't have a cell phone
myself, but she generally doesn't have a laptop at
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:
I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how
stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't available,
leave a voice message? Text messaging is stupid. I'd never pay for it as
On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
Some studies have apparently found that most cell phone usage is
simply related to something that birds do all the time. Birds send
out messages to each other in the form of songs, chirps or tweets.
It's called social interaction. Some
On Jul 12, 2009, at 5:29 AM, Jeff Miles wrote:
I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized
how stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't
available, leave a voice message?
The primary way my staff contacts me is by text. When a text message
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
The primary way my staff contacts me is by text. When a text message arrives
my phone beeps once, barely interrupting whatever I'm doing. Then when I'm
ready to take messages I can quickly read my texts and reply. In many
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
It's called social interaction. Some people have trouble with that, but it
is very useful when coordinating activities with a group of people. It will
let you know if people's plans have changed or if they are on schedule.
That's why I have talented staff. Customers don't get my number.
On Jul 12, 2009, at 3:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
What to do about those folks who expect or even demand an instant
response from you when they either text or call? It is becoming
increasing common for cell phone devotees
On Jul 12, 2009, at 3:42 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
meaningless jabber
= social interaction.
QED
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I've found the land line phone the most reliable, especially in power
outages. Don't mean to be disagreeable but I hate cell phones in
general. Texting just makes them that much worse. I don't know your
age so this might not be an appropriate question, but what did you do
before cell
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
The primary way my staff contacts me is by text. When a text message
arrives
my phone beeps once, barely interrupting whatever I'm doing. Then when
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:
A wife of a friend of mine calls and ichats all the time. It's
annoying as hell. Some people just feel the need? Even when they have
nothing to say? I frequently leave my cell phone at home. I just have it for
How true!
I also wonder at what point the effort at learning yet ANOTHER
gadget, operating system and software package FAR outweighs the time
you're supposed to save by using the new device.
I also wonder if there's a point--maybe in the mid 30's--when the
realization dawns that you
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Constance Warnercawar...@his.com wrote:
I also wonder if there's a point--maybe in the mid 30's--when the
realization dawns that you don't have an unlimited number of hours on this
earth; so it becomes very annoying to spend some of those hours messing
around
And people who think of me as a tech savvy guy don't understand
why I don't have a cell phone.
Don't sweat it. They think I should IM and Twitter, too. My attention
span appears to be too long for that, unfortunately.
I'm required to carry a cell phone, for work. But I don't have to answer
It's not the gadget, it's the benefit. I was a late adopter for both
PDAs and cell phones, but the learning was easy when the time came
when I needed what they provided -- it was easy because I got an
immediate benefit. Learning about Windows has always been a chore,
the profit motive was
I think that many advertisements for cell phones attempt to suggest
that anyone who is not filling every waking second of every day with
activity is not experiencing the best that life has to offer. Those
same ads also seem to reinforce to those who are already stretched to
the limit that they
And people who think of me as a tech savvy guy don't understand why I
don't have a cell phone. I am a man who like to slow down (and
sometimes stop) and smell the roses .
Steve B
phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that many advertisements for cell phones attempt to suggest
that anyone
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