Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
Start stocking up on Film now Tom I understand that Kodak is really having to cut back on production due to financial losses. (Who has a Canon, Minolta, and Pentax) Stewart At 10:18 AM 11/2/2007, you wrote: My Olympus digital camera may be 5 years old, but it works fine. My Minolta SLR is over 35 years old and I have no trouble getting film for it or getting prints made, but Microsoft thinks I should rush out to buy a new camera whenever they say so. No I'm not happy about it. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
Are you or the article saying that Vista won't read files that are on the camera? If it will display them, I can simply move them, right? Are you saying that Vista won't recognize files from a camera plugged into a USB port? One of the reviews says many cameras won't let you get at your files by simply plugging the camera into a Vista computer. The other review said Vista worked fine, but that review did not plug the camera into the computer, it used a USB card reader. On the other hand our Vista fans will insist that Vista is double-plus good and will mince words to try to convince us that these reviews don't say what they do say. (Our Vista fans also claim that Sigma is not a major camera manufacturer. That would be true for people who buy their cameras at Walmart or Office Depot, but not the kind of photography I'm concerned with. Someone who does not know of the Sigma brand is not serious about photography.) My last post gave a link to an extensive list of camera manufacturers' Vista compatibility lists. They list many cameras that do work and many cameras that do not work. Some state that they are not going to update cameras that don't work with Vista. My Olympus camera is not listed as compatible, but the Vista fans say it is. Perhaps they will next claim that the information dispayed on my computer screen is incomplete because I am using a Macintosh? Bottom line is that you should not expect compatibility. I'm not surprised by this because there have been so many reports of Vista's incompatibility with peripherals. Will the Vista fans deny this too? My Olympus digital camera may be 5 years old, but it works fine. My Minolta SLR is over 35 years old and I have no trouble getting film for it or getting prints made, but Microsoft thinks I should rush out to buy a new camera whenever they say so. No I'm not happy about it. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
Are you or the article saying that Vista won't read files that are on the camera? If it will display them, I can simply move them, right? Are you saying that Vista won't recognize files from a camera plugged into a USB port? That may be what the other person is saying, but it's not true. Most cameras work just fine with Vista. There are six cameras in my household and they all work just fine with Vista via USB, including one that is nearly ten years old. Go to your camera maker's web site for the only reliable information about whether or not there are any issues with your particular model. It is not likely that there are. The other person apparently can't be bothered to go to his camera maker's web site, where he would be able to read that his own camera is, in fact, Vista compatible. When facts are at variance with one's prejudices, it is comforting to ignore the facts, I guess. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
I just noticed an interesting sidebar in Shutterbug magazine (May, p 26). many cameras will need firmware/software upgrades to be Vista compatible and some won't work at all... What's this got to do with Microsoft's plan to overthrow JPEG... They mention that some major camera makers have no plans to upgrade their cameras to work with Vista. Shutterbug sounds bitter. My take is that the camera makers are probably right. Few pros will be using Windows and the few that are will be better off switching to Macs. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
http://www.shutterbug.net/equipmentreviews/software_computers/0607microsoft/index.html Another shutterbug article from a software perspective. Doesn't seem to touch on any hardware difficulties. Mike On 11/1/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed an interesting sidebar in Shutterbug magazine (May, p 26). many cameras will need firmware/software upgrades to be Vista compatible and some won't work at all... What's this got to do with Microsoft's plan to overthrow JPEG... They mention that some major camera makers have no plans to upgrade their cameras to work with Vista. Shutterbug sounds bitter. My take is that the camera makers are probably right. Few pros will be using Windows and the few that are will be better off switching to Macs. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
many cameras will need firmware/software upgrades to be Vista compatible and some won't work at all... Just for the record, I have used six different cameras with Vista, and they were all compatible, including one that dates back to the previous century. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
I was thinking that the assertion that cameras would not work with vista was odd, but I haven't seen the whole article. I'd go to the newstand when i'm at the bookstore but it's from months ago. I was going to poke around on the net to see if I could find anything on it. Mike On 11/1/07, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: many cameras will need firmware/software upgrades to be Vista compatible and some won't work at all... Just for the record, I have used six different cameras with Vista, and they were all compatible, including one that dates back to the previous century. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
http://www.shutterbug.net/equipmentreviews/software_computers/0607microsof t/index.html That guy had only a single camera and did not connect it to his computer. Sigh, for those who can't Google my link is... www.shutterbug.net/equipmentreviews/amateur_digital_slrs/0707digitalslr/ind ex1.html * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
So, as usual, you left just a few bits out. They mention that some major camera makers have no plans to upgrade their cameras to work with Vista. They mention major camera makers? They mention Sigma. They don't mention Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Kodak, Sony, Pentax, Panasonic, Fuji, Casio, HP, or Samsung. Or anyone else. Just Sigma. Translating Sigma as some major camera makers is just a wee bit of a stretch, don't you agree? You also neglected to point out that no plans to upgrade only refers Sigma's older models. Their newer ones are already Vista compatible. And you managed to omit this: All is not lost since you can always transfer images using a CompactFlash card reader, which I guess most people do anyway. many cameras will need firmware/software upgrades to be Vista compatible and some won't work at all... Neither the author nor you provide any evidence whatsoever to support this assertion. It certainly is contrary to my experience. What's this got to do with Microsoft's plan to overthrow JPEG... Shutterbug sounds bitter. Well, you got me there. I guess this bit, which is in the same paragraph, does sound awfully bitter: [MS's replacemawfullyt for JPEG] supports a wide range of features, including multiple color formats for display or print, fixed or floating point high-dynamic range, wide gamut image encoding, lossless or high-quality lossy compression, decoding for multiple resolutions, minimal overhead for format conversions or transformations. Excited yet? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
Part of the article makes it sound like hardware (firmware) another part talks about the software. Could anyone care less about the software? The author also is very free with his accusastions, since two cameras from one maker don't work he assumes there will be many. Mike On Nov 1, 2007 3:05 PM, Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:34 AM 11/01/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote I just noticed an interesting sidebar in Shutterbug magazine (May, p 26). many cameras will need firmware/software upgrades to be Vista compatible and some won't work at all... What's this got to do with Microsoft's plan to overthrow JPEG... They mention that some major camera makers have no plans to upgrade their cameras to work with Vista. Why won't cameras work with Vista? Are they talking here about the actual camera files, or are they talking about the camera software that one is encouraged to install? I don't use camera software. Just hook the camera to the computer and grab the files off the camera drive, whatever they are, and save them as I want them saved. Am I missing something? Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
Welll, that last paragraph got mangled in transmission. It was supposed to read: [MS's replacement for JPEG] supports a wide range of features, including multiple color formats for display or print, fixed or floating point high-dynamic range, wide gamut image encoding, lossless or high-quality lossy compression, decoding for multiple resolutions, minimal overhead for format conversions or transformations. Excited yet? -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:52 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry ... Well, you got me there. I guess this bit, which is in the same paragraph, does sound awfully bitter: [MS's replacemawfullyt for JPEG] supports a wide range of features, including multiple color formats for display or print, fixed or floating point high-dynamic range, wide gamut image encoding, lossless or high-quality lossy compression, decoding for multiple resolutions, minimal overhead for format conversions or transformations. Excited yet? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
Excited yet? Vista fan boys do not detect the writer's use of sarcasm -- We're from Microsoft and we're here to help you. Ho, ho, ho. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
Why won't cameras work with Vista? Are they talking here about the actual camera files, or are they talking about the camera software that one is encouraged to install? I don't use camera software. Just hook the camera to the computer and grab the files off the camera drive, whatever they are, and save them as I want them saved. Am I missing something? This magazine found that your method just hook the camera to the computer and grab the files off the camera drive doesn't work with some unspecified number of cameras they tested with Vista. The magazine used the word many, but our Vista fans don't know what that word means. The magazine reported that Microsoft chose to make Vista not work with cameras as they are and expects camera manufacturers to retrofit their firmware to work with Vista. They report that some camera manufacturers say they won't. A different review posted to this list stated that one particular camera did work with Vista when the pix were transferred using a card reader. Our Vista fans take this to mean there are no problems. Our Vista fans seem to think the phrase at the top of the story foisted on the photographic industry is some kind of praise I guess. See www.dcviews.com/press/Windows-Vista-Compatibility.htm for a long list of links to specific manufacturers. My Olympus C-2100 is not on the compatibility list so as far as I am concerned, Vista don't work. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
My Olympus C-2100 is not on the compatibility list so as far as I am concerned, Vista don't work. The current version of the software for your 7-year old camera is Vista-compatible, and free. I guess you didn't bother to check the Olympus site? This magazine found that your method just hook the camera to the computer and grab the files off the camera drive doesn't work with some unspecified number of cameras they tested with Vista. The magazine said nothing of the kind. There was not a single word about their testing any cameras at all, and it provided no shred of evidence to justify the use of the word many. It mentioned TWO older models of ONE camera brand (which I'd wager that very few list members have ever heard of, by the way), and it didn't say that they'd tested even those. A different review posted to this list stated that one particular camera did work with Vista when the pix were transferred using a card reader. What frightful horseradish. First, it was the SAME review. The one you posted. And it wasn't one particular camera, either. What he said was, you can always transfer your pictures using a CompactFlash reader, which I guess most people do anyway. It's interesting to note that: - a statement that is critical of Vista gets inflated: the reference to two specific models becomes many. - a statement that is not critical of Vista gets deflated: the phrase you can always transfer your pictures using a CompactFlash reader somehow gets translated by you to mean one particular camera. Interesting, and most illuminating. The magazine reported that Microsoft chose to make Vista not work with cameras as they are and expects camera manufacturers to retrofit their firmware to work with Vista Please quote the sentence where he says anything remotely like Microsoft chose to not make Vista work with cameras as they are. It's a demonstrably false statement, and it's not in there anyway. Regarding foisting, I'm sure you meant, but accidentally forgot, to note that he's referring to the Certified for Vista logo and not to Vista itself. Look, the simple fact is that Vista DOES work with most cameras, and with the vast majority of modern ones (produced within the last several years). It works fine with all six of the cameras in my household, including one that I bought in 1998. Not one needed a software or firmware upgrade. Your comments on Windows would be far more convincing if they weren't so intellectually dishonest. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
Tom as a person who was trained with statistics, it is very poor writing to use an descriptive word that is undefined. I lump many in with my sons response to how much homework do you have left? Not much!!! (By the way in normal speak his not much means over 50%) Poor editorship on their part. If not a specific number a percentage of a whole number is just as good. Otherwise the writer looses credibility. Remember descriptive words mean whatever you want them to mean. Over 70%, or 50% or 40% would mean a whole lot more. Stewart At 06:35 PM 11/1/2007, you wrote: Why won't cameras work with Vista? Are they talking here about the actual camera files, or are they talking about the camera software that one is encouraged to install? I don't use camera software. Just hook the camera to the computer and grab the files off the camera drive, whatever they are, and save them as I want them saved. Am I missing something? This magazine found that your method just hook the camera to the computer and grab the files off the camera drive doesn't work with some unspecified number of cameras they tested with Vista. The magazine used the word many, but our Vista fans don't know what that word means. The magazine reported that Microsoft chose to make Vista not work with cameras as they are and expects camera manufacturers to retrofit their firmware to work with Vista. They report that some camera manufacturers say they won't. A different review posted to this list stated that one particular camera did work with Vista when the pix were transferred using a card reader. Our Vista fans take this to mean there are no problems. Our Vista fans seem to think the phrase at the top of the story foisted on the photographic industry is some kind of praise I guess. See www.dcviews.com/press/Windows-Vista-Compatibility.htm for a long list of links to specific manufacturers. My Olympus C-2100 is not on the compatibility list so as far as I am concerned, Vista don't work. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista Makes Photographers Cry
At 06:35 PM 11/01/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote Why won't cameras work with Vista? Are they talking here about the actual camera files, or are they talking about the camera software that one is encouraged to install? I don't use camera software. Just hook the camera to the computer and grab the files off the camera drive, whatever they are, and save them as I want them saved. Am I missing something? This magazine found that your method just hook the camera to the computer and grab the files off the camera drive doesn't work with some unspecified number of cameras they tested with Vista. The magazine used the word many, but our Vista fans don't know what that word means. Are you or the article saying that Vista won't read files that are on the camera? If it will display them, I can simply move them, right? Are you saying that Vista won't recognize files from a camera plugged into a USB port? I don't know enough about the way the cameras are 'supposed' to work. I only deal with files. I don't even have camera software installed on this machine. I find no need for it. I certainly don't know enough to get into a debate. I'm simply wondering if my camera won't work on a Vista machine. Sue * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
