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If Yahoo (GeoCities?) is going to get out of the site hosting business, wouldn't we want to not include them as a good hosting candidate? Or are they only closing down GeoCities? Right now nobody knows what Yahoo!'s plans are. The have a new CEO who is going to have new plans. She has to have new plans, the old plans were not working. I suspect that running a web site hosting service is not going to be sexy enough for Yahoo! to hold on to unless she finds a way to revitalize it. Has anybody seen any new ideas sprouting at Yahoo!? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Lot's a RR right away and being in the center of the county made KC a fibre trunk center. Also Sprint is from KC. But local hydro... I don't know about that ... all they have is the Missouri river which is used for barge traffic so no dams. Coal fired power plants they DO have.. the railroads deliver the coal Sounds like some PR person got carried away db Tom Piwowar wrote: Yahoo mentioned closing down Geocities in the near future. 11 is in Philly? I lived there for 8 years, and I think some people there speak English. They moved their data center to Kansas City about a year ago. To their credit they did it with minimal disruption to their clients. KC seems to have lots of fiber due to its being a major RR hub. They claim to be green, powered mostly by local hydro. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Sounds like some PR person got carried away Bowersock Mills and Power Co. Kansas River at the Massachusetts St. Bridge Lawrence KS Bowersockpower.com 50 miles away from KC should count as local. I'm constantly amazed at the random information that can be quickly plucked from the ether. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Heh. Just spotted another one; seems timely. Remember to take all these quotes with a grain of salt; these are the truly discontented. I'm just about to move to [] from 1and1 (who are awful btw, please anyone reading this do not even consider 1and1, even if they offer you lifetime hosting for free!). But a nearby thread gives them a better take: I wouldn't recommend 1and1's hosting, but their domain registration is both inexpensive and fully (including EPP auth codes) under control of the domain owner which is also reflected in all whois lookups. Which actually touches on a point I was making earlier. Many people don't care to have to fool with things like EPP auth codes and might be a lot better off with a different solution other than their own website. Oh, btw, some other hosts to avoid that were mentioned (but not nearly as often as 1and1): Bluehost, Ipower, Streamline.net, ANRHost, Jumpline, Surfspeedy, Vodahost, IXwebhosting, and oddly, *any* host outside of the USA. I personally stick to North American datacenters because the vast majority of my visitors are here and I want to minimize latency. I've read from more than a few sources that the hosting prices in Europe and elsewhere tend to be higher, and that the datacenters and network backbones elsewhere aren't as robust as they are in the North American Tier IV spaces. I know many Europeans choose hosting over here because the better infrastructure outweighs the latency hit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm using both Yahoo and Network Solutions and both are fine, I actually prefer Yahoo because their maintenance (Yahoo Webbuilder) is idiot proof. - Original Message - From: db db...@att.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Webhosting Question It depends on how much assistance, capabilities and bandwidth you want. GoDaddy is inexpensive and you pay additionally for more features. Yahoo seems to be rated highly. Network Solutions is another. I'd be curious to hear people's suggestions myself... Besides a place to plunk your website, what capabilities/ capacities do you want? db Frank Sestir wrote: Any favorites out there for webhosting? Anyone use Inmotion Hosting? Looking for an inexpensive but reliable site. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Oh, btw, some other hosts to avoid that were mentioned (but not nearly as often as 1and1): Bluehost, Ipower, Streamline.net, ANRHost, Jumpline, Surfspeedy, Vodahost, IXwebhosting, and oddly, *any* host outside of the USA. I would put GoDaddy on the list just because they will constantly be trying to sell you stuff and make it sound like it is somehow required. I have also read that they are a favorite of spammers so their IPS get on blacklists a lot. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If Yahoo (GeoCities?) is going to get out of the site hosting business, wouldn't we want to not include them as a good hosting candidate? Or are they only closing down GeoCities? db Tom Piwowar wrote: Yahoo mentioned closing down Geocities in the near future. 11 is in Philly? I lived there for 8 years, and I think some people there speak English. They moved their data center to Kansas City about a year ago. To their credit they did it with minimal disruption to their clients. KC seems to have lots of fiber due to its being a major RR hub. They claim to be green, powered mostly by local hydro. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 2:00 PM -0400 4/28/09, Tom Piwowar wrote: They moved their data center to Kansas City about a year ago. To their credit they did it with minimal disruption to their clients. KC seems to have lots of fiber due to its being a major RR hub. They claim to be green, powered mostly by local hydro. Hydro? In Kansas City?!? It must be from low-head dams. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Only Geocities. Yahoo Small Business continues. - Original Message - From: db db...@att.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Webhosting Question If Yahoo (GeoCities?) is going to get out of the site hosting business, wouldn't we want to not include them as a good hosting candidate? Or are they only closing down GeoCities? db Tom Piwowar wrote: Yahoo mentioned closing down Geocities in the near future. 11 is in Philly? I lived there for 8 years, and I think some people there speak English. They moved their data center to Kansas City about a year ago. To their credit they did it with minimal disruption to their clients. KC seems to have lots of fiber due to its being a major RR hub. They claim to be green, powered mostly by local hydro. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Both Yahoo web hosting and Godaddy web hosting seem to get fairly high marks. Or, i.e., not a whole lot of negative remarks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Any favorites out there for webhosting? Anyone use Inmotion Hosting? Looking for an inexpensive but reliable site. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have several sites and domains with MacHighway. They're in Colorado, answer their own phones, and have always made things perfect. No snafus. They resell enom. The value they bring is huge. Their prices are not. I'd even call them cheap. I moved my accounts from 11 and have been thrilled with their service. One of three people always answer the phone within 30 seconds. Then they solve it without transfering you around. Amazing this day and age I think. cb _ On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:26, Frank Sestir fses...@verizon.net wrote: Any favorites out there for webhosting? Anyone use Inmotion Hosting? Looking for an inexpensive but reliable site. Thanks *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Try looking at www.yola.com. Depending on what your're doing it might be just fine. I wouldn't consider it ready for prime time though. I don't think there is an easy way to backup your site, yet. Read through the support forum to see what issues users are having. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Frank Sestir fses...@verizon.net wrote: Any favorites out there for webhosting? Anyone use Inmotion Hosting? Looking for an inexpensive but reliable site. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Bill * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Any favorites out there for webhosting? Anyone use Inmotion Hosting? I use 1and1.com for $10/mo. They are constantly adding features. They even have cheaper plans. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I just found out that Yahoo is closing down Geocities (where I have my Website www.geocities.com/mikesloane). The big advantage to me of Geocities is that it is *free*. Does anyone have a suggestion for something comparable at the same price? I don't need technical support, just some minimal space and some bandwidth so people can get to the site. Mike C Ballinger wrote: I have several sites and domains with MacHighway. They're in Colorado, answer their own phones, and have always made things perfect. No snafus. They resell enom. The value they bring is huge. Their prices are not. I'd even call them cheap. I moved my accounts from 11 and have been thrilled with their service. One of three people always answer the phone within 30 seconds. Then they solve it without transfering you around. Amazing this day and age I think. cb _ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It depends on how much assistance, capabilities and bandwidth you want. GoDaddy is inexpensive and you pay additionally for more features. Yahoo seems to be rated highly. Network Solutions is another. I'd be curious to hear people's suggestions myself... Besides a place to plunk your website, what capabilities/ capacities do you want? db Frank Sestir wrote: Any favorites out there for webhosting? Anyone use Inmotion Hosting? Looking for an inexpensive but reliable site. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Does anyone have a suggestion for something comparable at the same price? http://sites.google.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I've heard of nothing but trouble from free hosting. But for a long term family site that may be the cheapest way to go (you may still have to pay for the domain name). However, these days you need to consider the newer Web 2.0 solutions like Facebook and Myspace instead of an independent website. They do all the grunt work for you. Other than that, the only real question to ask a potential shared host is: What level CPU do you allow on a box before you buy and offload clients to a new server?. CPU load averages should be no higher than 1.0 per CPU. So, on a quad server, that's 4.0. Chances are they won't answer you, even if they could. Instead they trot out huge bandwidths and enormous disk quotas to entice you to overcrowded servers. Just be prepared to move if you aren't happy. Oh, and check out the host's forums BEFORE you sign up. Way too many people wait until they're having trouble to log into the support forums. You aren't looking for no trouble reports at all; people with trouble are more likely to post. What you're looking for is a speedy, friendly, competent Help staff. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Mike Sloane mikeslo...@verizon.net wrote: I just found out that Yahoo is closing down Geocities (where I have my Website www.geocities.com/mikesloane). The big advantage to me of Geocities is that it is *free*. Does anyone have a suggestion for something comparable at the same price? I don't need technical support, just some minimal space and some bandwidth so people can get to the site. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Which brings up the capacity issue. I liked your site... was interested in the guineas and the tractors ... but had a hard time changing pages because of the long latency... When you visit your site, you are probably seeing cached pages speedily but the rest of us have to wait ... db Mike Sloane wrote: I just found out that Yahoo is closing down Geocities (where I have my Website www.geocities.com/mikesloane). The big advantage to me of Geocities is that it is *free*. Does anyone have a suggestion for something comparable at the same price? I don't need technical support, just some minimal space and some bandwidth so people can get to the site. Mike C Ballinger wrote: I have several sites and domains with MacHighway. They're in Colorado, answer their own phones, and have always made things perfect. No snafus. They resell enom. The value they bring is huge. Their prices are not. I'd even call them cheap. I moved my accounts from 11 and have been thrilled with their service. One of three people always answer the phone within 30 seconds. Then they solve it without transfering you around. Amazing this day and age I think. cb _ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Is there any site which tests and rates web hosting sites re: page loading latency// CPU load averages, bandwidth, customer support etc. db Tony B wrote: I've heard of nothing but trouble from free hosting. But for a long term family site that may be the cheapest way to go (you may still have to pay for the domain name). However, these days you need to consider the newer Web 2.0 solutions like Facebook and Myspace instead of an independent website. They do all the grunt work for you. Other than that, the only real question to ask a potential shared host is: What level CPU do you allow on a box before you buy and offload clients to a new server?. CPU load averages should be no higher than 1.0 per CPU. So, on a quad server, that's 4.0. Chances are they won't answer you, even if they could. Instead they trot out huge bandwidths and enormous disk quotas to entice you to overcrowded servers. Just be prepared to move if you aren't happy. Oh, and check out the host's forums BEFORE you sign up. Way too many people wait until they're having trouble to log into the support forums. You aren't looking for no trouble reports at all; people with trouble are more likely to post. What you're looking for is a speedy, friendly, competent Help staff. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Mike Sloane mikeslo...@verizon.net wrote: I just found out that Yahoo is closing down Geocities (where I have my Website www.geocities.com/mikesloane). The big advantage to me of Geocities is that it is *free*. Does anyone have a suggestion for something comparable at the same price? I don't need technical support, just some minimal space and some bandwidth so people can get to the site. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I moved my accounts from 11 What problems did you have at 11? What should I be watching out for? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I regularly participate in 4 different hosting forums and we're used to hearing people moving from 11 with nothing but complaints. Of course, those are the ones that leave - the ones that are having trouble. The main reason I didn't go with them for my sites is because they're in Europe somewhere and on the rare occasion when something goes wrong I want to be able to CALL a REAL person that speaks my own language. I think their only real problem is the same as many others - overselling their servers. They're worse than most with those full page ads promising the world for cheap. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I moved my accounts from 11 What problems did you have at 11? What should I be watching out for? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How can you tell who doesn't oversell their servers? db Tony B wrote: I regularly participate in 4 different hosting forums and we're used to hearing people moving from 11 with nothing but complaints. Of course, those are the ones that leave - the ones that are having trouble. The main reason I didn't go with them for my sites is because they're in Europe somewhere and on the rare occasion when something goes wrong I want to be able to CALL a REAL person that speaks my own language. I think their only real problem is the same as many others - overselling their servers. They're worse than most with those full page ads promising the world for cheap. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I moved my accounts from 11 What problems did you have at 11? What should I be watching out for? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The semi-flip answer: The ones that are out of business don't. To stay competitive with the likes of discounters like 11, they all have to put hundreds of accounts on shared servers nowadays. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:42 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: How can you tell who doesn't oversell their servers? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The main reason I didn't go with them for my sites is because they're in Europe somewhere and on the rare occasion when something goes wrong I want to be able to CALL a REAL person that speaks my own language. The parent company is German. Frankly, I would rather have a German than an American managing my server. Germans are not as slovenly. Xenophobia perhaps? Their US operation is headquartered in the German city of Philadelphia on the banks of the Delaware River. They speak a strange dialect of German called English. I just do not see that as a reasonable problem. They answer tech support phones 24/7, hold times are short, and the techs I speak to are not idiots. Can't ask for more. I think their only real problem is the same as many others - overselling their servers. They're worse than most with those full page ads promising the world for cheap. So far so good on that. My sites have a good bit of Perl and PHP scripting behind them and are executing quickly. Only time will tell. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We haven't heard back from the OP yet, telling us just what he needs. I still think if we're talking a small site, he may be better off with a [free] blog or Myspace site. Much easier for the average person to create and maintain. They don't even have to learn what FTP is, much less oddities like .htaccess files. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The main reason I didn't go with them for my sites is because they're in Europe somewhere and on the rare occasion when something goes wrong I want to be able to CALL a REAL person that speaks my own language. The parent company is German. Frankly, I would rather have a German than an American managing my server. Germans are not as slovenly... I looked at the European sites. All are in countries where most people speak English at least as well as Americans, often better. Maybe I'll try 11. Yahoo mentioned closing down Geocities in the near future. 11 is in Philly? I lived there for 8 years, and I think some people there speak English. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think some people there speak English. You heard it? Or you heard OF it? Possibly you were hearing people from Boston who happened to be visiting. :-) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
