Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread Jeff Wright
Wow. Who would have thought that denial is a stronger natural force than gravity? *Everyone,* until Vista, ran as an admin. That is the single biggest security flaw in Windows and why Windows boxes are so easily compromised. And sophistry does not an argument make. Is bolted-on the only

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread John DeCarlo
On 10/19/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were 18 security advisories from Secunia for mac os x so far in 2007. Seven of these were rated highly critical meaning system level access, access to private files etc. The holes are there. Not long ago a hole in quicktime was exploited in

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2193639,00.asp This is what is known as an ad hominem attack. Instead of focusing on the merits, he attacks the people who own Macs. He even attacks people who own iPods. There is no tech in this issue of ExtremeTech. What does this accomplish? The

Re: [CGUYS] Security Fraud [Was: Mac Market Share Grows]

2007-10-19 Thread mike
You might want to go to the site to *see* what i'm talking about before you write. The report on Secunia covers the first 8 months of 2007...of those 8, vista was not on market in the first month. So in total they were in market for 7 months together. Have no idea where you got 2 months from,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread John DeCarlo
mike, You have some good points. I went back and did some research. I will start with my own summary and add some references at the end. 1. At CanSecWest, they started with a MacBook connected to an open Wi-Fi network, but nobody could get through. Nothing was done to the MacBook but install

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-19 Thread mike
Well that clears that up. Mike On 10/19/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Intel said that Apple is pushing them to innovate more and they are appreciative, even excited to be working with Apple to push themselves. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How did he say

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread mike
Not true. From Cnet. The successful attack on the second and final day of the contest required a conference organizer to surf to a malicious Web site using Safari on the MacBook--a type of attack familiar to Windows users. Nothing was downloaded to the machine and run, indeed this exact attack

Re: [CGUYS] BTX vs ATX [Was: Mac Market Share Grows]

2007-10-19 Thread mike
ATX and BTX were both designed by Tom's now loved Intel. BTX was also canceled by Intel because the need for it was slowing with Intel developing lower power CPUs. Intel simply hasn't put anything behind it's development or marketing, so no, it has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory that

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread mike
There were 18 security advisories from Secunia for mac os x so far in 2007. Seven of these were rated highly critical meaning system level access, access to private files etc. The holes are there. Not long ago a hole in quicktime was exploited in just a few hours when the winner was offered 10k

[CGUYS] BTX vs ATX [Was: Mac Market Share Grows]

2007-10-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have noticed that their new BTX format is not quite catching on in the market. Is it going to go the way of IBM's MCA format? Will PC makers contiune to cling to a 10-year-old ATX MoBo design? I will place my bet on lack of innovation. That seems to be endemic in Windows land.

[CGUYS] Security Fraud [Was: Mac Market Share Grows]

2007-10-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Reread Mike's post. Read the last sentence most carefully. Then ask yourself, during what part of the same time period was Vista in the marketplace? Apple OS X; 10 months; 7 flaws MS Vista; 2 months; 6 flaws Most of you will be able to do the math. There were 18 security advisories from

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread John DeCarlo
On 10/19/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Everyone,* until Vista, ran as an admin. That is the single biggest security flaw in Windows and why Windows boxes are so easily compromised. I don't know if that is the single biggest security flaw, but it is certainly in the top ten.

[CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-19 Thread Jeff Wright
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2193639,00.asp Apple fans have an attitude where, when Apple does something bad, it's okay, or at least understandable. When other companies, especially arch-rival Microsoft, does the same exact thing, it's a travesty and obviously clear evidence of why

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread Snyder, Mark
Your simple math would get you one of those sub-prime mortgages. I know many people buying Macs, but very few of them plan to run Windows. Those who do run Windows only run it for some precious Windows only application. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Who said anything about

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-19 Thread mike
Could be I suppose. EFI was Intel's baby, don't think it had much to do with apple but like apple often does, it implemented the improved technology before anyone else. Much easier to do when you control the hardware and software.EFI was supposed to be also adopted by vista but like most

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-19 Thread b_s-wilk
How do you plan on moving your MP3s to your clock radio? We have a couple of flash-based RCA MP3 players that mount on the desktop of our Macs where we drag and drop MP3 files. It plays without any extra software. A free Rosewill MP3 player using SD card memory loads the same way. Unless

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-19 Thread Snyder, Mark
Intel said that Apple is pushing them to innovate more and they are appreciative, even excited to be working with Apple to push themselves. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How did he say apple was pushing them? Pushing them to do what?

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread Snyder, Mark
Windows has traditionally had bolted-on security that is easily weakened by the user. That results in many vulnerable computers that are basically there for the taking. Mac OS X has the benefits of security designed in at all levels (from freeBSD). These people are evil, but not stupid. Thank