I've seen people hang on to the strangest software...just out of fear of
change.
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It might not be. MS bought some very strong lines of professional business
software years ago, one of them a AR ledger
Jeff makes a valid point and my company is one example. We have many
applications used across various sectors and the company does not
support multiple OS versions, testing, etc. The company buys and
reconfigures every computer to a specific XP configuration. At some
point, they will probably
Quoting Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yeah. Get a Mac.
I realize that many folks think they are forever bound to a MS
operating system of one flavor or another. Such a burden.
Nobody suggested this. It's that the get a Mac response to almost any
Windows question is old, tired, and
Computerworld posted an FAQ on Micro$oft's XP/Vista deadline here:
http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicart
icleId=9098418
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Does anyone have a strategy for avoiding Vista?
Yeah. Get a Mac.
While this suggestion was offered in jest (and got stomped
on by some humorless Windows types), I'd like to point out
that it is potentially a real solution to Tom's problem.
I occasionally run either Windows 98 or 2000, or
I think you've misdiagnosed Tom's problem entirely. Hint: It has
nothing at all to do with computers or virtual machines.
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM, David K Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While this suggestion was offered in jest (and got stomped
on by some humorless Windows types),
If you plan to download Firefox 3 today, I would appreciate reviews. XP
or OS X, please specify. I will wait awhile before updating the FF
running in XP on my company's laptop and not sure when I will update FF
in OS X at home. I am especially interested in what you think about
performance
Yeah. Get a Mac.
While this suggestion was offered in jest (and got stomped
on by some humorless Windows types...
Oddly enough, I'm not actually considered all that humorless by my friends,
despite my Windows-type-busboy status.
The problem is that this particular joke was officially
And if it (the software) still works, defined as doing what you need
it to do, it should be possible to replace the hardware without
replacing all the apps, etc.
Matthew
On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Sue Cubic wrote:
It would make me very happy to be able to continue using what I
already
On Jun 17, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
The problem is that this particular joke was officially classified No
Longer Funny on the date of its one millionth occurrence in this
list.
What I am about to say is said in jest. However, that does not
mean that part of it is untrue.
What's wrong with Vista? Having to struggle to access many things that
should be transparently available..
db: I just noticed this... I'm curious, what sorts of things that should be
transparently available do you find that you have to struggle to access?
Chris
At 01:03 PM 06/17/2008 -0400, Matthew Taylor wrote
And if it (the software) still works, defined as doing what you need
it to do, it should be possible to replace the hardware without
replacing all the apps, etc.
The problem is that some of my software won't work on Vista. I've tried it
on
these people are pretty competent.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=831611
At 12:27 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:
If you plan to download Firefox 3 today, I would appreciate reviews. XP
or OS X, please specify. I will wait awhile before updating the FF
running in XP on my company's
At 04:28 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:
Date:Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:27:32 -0400
From:Sue Cubic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Forced to Vista?
The problem is that some of my software won't work on Vista. I've
tried it on other machines. My biggest complaint is all the
problems that
For those who would like a direct download without having to load pages and
navigate:
http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0os=winlang=en-US
http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0os=osxlang=en-US
http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0os=linuxlang=en-US
At 11:57 AM 6/16/2008, Tony B wrote:
To reiterate: The much ballyhooed problems with Vista were never
actually problems with the OS, but rather, problems with support from
the myriad of manufacturers that [are supposed to] support the OS.
Yeah, but Microsoft could have put in a translation layer
How many horses is enough for Vista to run well? Which version of Vista?
At 12:21 PM 6/16/2008, Chris Dunford wrote:
No reason at all. As long as you have enough horses in the box, Vista is
far superior to XP. I have to use both (for professional reasons) and I hate
using the XP box now.
At 03:38 PM 6/16/2008, Chris Dunford wrote:
And
it's certainly more secure.
Chris
How do you know for sure?
My impression of improved security is tighter digital rights management and
IT's tighter control over what the user can do (in a corporate environment).
I've never had an infection and
Definately don't go by Vista's support page. Vista ran fine on my amd 4200
with 2 gigs of ram and a 7950 gt...right now i'm on a amd 4800 with 4 gigs
of ram and ultimate...don't have any issues except for the driver for my msi
tv card. This was the only card I could find in my price range (read
At 09:00 PM 6/16/2008, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Giving me the MS party line is even less useful than saying get a Mac.
The software the client wants to keep using has not had any updates in
years. So my job is to get up-to-date hardware configured to run old
software.
I have Win 2000 running on a
Mac users seem measure threats by actual incursions into their OS by
malware/viruses. Windows and mac users seem to measure security for windows
by reported threats that may or may not appear. Statistically vista has had
many fewer problems then any other iteration of windows, but if you are
Yes I have seen their newer stuff. If you like the old Eudora, I
have a few words of advice. DO NOT CHANGE!
They took away some of the nicer aspects of Eudora in my
opinion. (The ability to specify where you put attachmetns and stuff.)
It is turning into a form of Thunderbird.
Too much
At 01:49 PM 6/16/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote:
I have a dos 6.22 and windows 3.11 for workgroups that your welcome to. Dos
rules and works great, I even have word perfect for dos that your welcome to.
My old 386 runs great with this config and you can do whatever you want in
DOS. You can use the
At 09:54 PM 6/16/2008, Tony B wrote:
I'd like to know what software it is. But I should probably know
better than to ask, because often the answer is some antique POS you
couldn't _give_ away today, but the clients are real luddites.
No, I'll bet the client doesn't want to spend a lot of
I ran the upgrade adviser and it shows only 15 of my applications won't
work with Vista -- better than I had expected. There were no device
problems except for Bluetooth which won't work with Vista.
Chris Dunford wrote:
I haven't tried Vista yet, but I think one problem might be that some
Sorry...*where* you put attachments? In the email?
Mike
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes I have seen their newer stuff. If you like the old Eudora, I have a
few words of advice. DO NOT CHANGE!
They took away some of the nicer aspects of
I have a Dell Notebook running Vista Home Premium with a Bluetooth
mouse. What are you using for a bluetooth device?
Robert wrote:
I ran the upgrade adviser and it shows only 15 of my applications won't
work with Vista -- better than I had expected. There were no device
problems except for
Fred
I have Basic with 2 gig. I don't have any extra programs on here but cleaning
tools-ccleaner, the free wise disk cleaner and wise reg cleaner and mz vista
force. I also have pokerstars and a few meg of audios
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At 02:30 AM 6/17/2008, mike wrote:
I've seen people hang on to the strangest software...just out of fear of
change.
Mike
Often a well-deserved fear of change. New software is often inadequately
tested. Why trade the devil you know for the devil you don't know, unless you
really know of some
Just install Firefox3 to a new/different directory/folder, and you can have
both your current Firefox and the new Firefox 3 running on your machine. I
think it will even detect your existing installation and copy all of the
settings, bookmarks, and add-ins.
Fred Holmes
At 12:27 PM 6/17/2008,
Indeed, there are many who are justified. Your company gets screwed over
once by your accounting software and you get REAL nervous about touching
that again.
I still miss ircle from my mac days, there just isn't anything like it on
windows.
Mike
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Fred Holmes
I installed mine over the old one, two or three extensions don't work,
foxmarks worked great. So far it feels like firefox, but faster, better and
strongergo go lee majors!
Mike
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Fred Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just install Firefox3 to a new/different
At 03:30 PM 06/17/2008 -0700, mike wrote
Sorry...*where* you put attachments? In the email?
Eudora has always separated attachments from the email and stored them in a
separate file. Those of us who are used to that prefer it and don't want
our attachments stored with the emails. I think
At 03:02 PM 06/17/2008 -0700, mike wrote
Eudora was taken over by the folks at thunderbird, has anyone tried out the
beta? I see no plain dates on the site, so I'm not sure if they are
actively working on it still.
The WinEudora list is not recommending it. They recommend sticking with
When you receive email, Eudora normally strips attachments out of the
email and puts a copy of them in the specified folder (Unlike Outlook
and T'bird). So if I get an email with 20 pictures attached I have
access to those pictures at any time. If I specify that I want all
attachments left
No, I'll bet the client doesn't want to spend a lot of time/money on
training for a new system whose new features may not be useful in his
circumstances.
Precisely correct. The reason I am working to keep this client on XP is
exactly the same reason I often suggest people get a Mac: it will
No it does not.
That is why I could never recommend the newer Eudora and still prefer the old.
Stewart
At 07:18 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:
At 03:30 PM 06/17/2008 -0700, mike wrote
Sorry...*where* you put attachments? In the email?
Eudora has always separated attachments from the email and
To me, it looks like the game is played: Buy MS OS--whatever the latest
version. Use all MS products on it (browsers, email programs,
Office). Repeat about every 3 years. My son is pushing me to buy a
Mac. Is the situation the same with them? I see no reason to switch to a
more expensive
Tom I comprehend you perfectly. Stick with what works and quit going
for the glitz.
I knew a guy who had to have the latest hardware. He spent way more
than I ever did. You know what I did, he always wanted a trade if of
his old equipment.
So I upped his price took the old equipment in
Perhaps a reason that the Get a Mac joke is no longer funny is
due to the fact that after over a million such suggestions, no one
has ever countered with Get Windows.
On the contrary, they have gone out an gotten Macs. Apple's market share
has doubled. This is no joke for the Windows fan
If you stop being an ass. You started this thread and the only reason
you've given for not liking this OS that came out a year ago is that it
won't run old software.
You consistently fail to read carefully. The reason I don't like the OS
is because it won't meet the clients needs. That should
The driver layers have to be rewritten because in my business the
application software is ALL proprietary. It all has to talk to server,
mainframe, and other device layers that affect literally millions, actually
hundreds of millions, of people. It's not worth the risk when you have that
many
I cannot remember the exact name of the program but it was like great
Lakes or something accounting software that was in use 15 years ago
when we were assembling DOS/Novell/Lantastic/Xenix units and it ran
on Xenix and Dos.
Great Plains.
So sad they met such a terrible fate.
Just install Firefox3 to a new/different directory/folder, and you can
have both your current Firefox and the new Firefox 3 running on your
machine. I think it will even detect your existing installation and copy
all of the settings, bookmarks, and add-ins.
On the Mac it all runs from a
The following is how you began this thread. No where within is there
anything about your specific problem with vista being that some software
your clients need not being able to be run on vista. XP is still available,
MS will let you downgrade if you desire, you already know that. Your
question
I agree but MS is no different than Intuit (Parsons Tax Edge) and
Adobe (Aldus Pagemaker)
Stewart
At 07:48 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:
Great Plains.
So sad they met such a terrible fate.
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL
With such requirements I wonder why you are not running Linux. That
would put you in control of your destiny instead of getting run around by
greedy MS.
I don't make those decisions. Many moons ago I remember that our
typical office ran on SPARCstations and SPARCservers, and before
that on
At 08:35 PM 06/17/2008 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote
Will things slow down now? Or will Apple decide that this rapid pace is
better for them?
Thanks for that info, Tom. It sounds like Apple has decided to play the
game too. Can you imagine a market share if someone ever decided to build
a good
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