Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:55 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both?  There are MUCH larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn.  I'd much rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more

[CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing

2009-12-19 Thread Joe Tseng
I took delivery of a brand spanking new Vaio CW with Win 7 Pro earlier this month and for the most part it's been great. Great except for the part where it crashes overnight. I talked to a coworker and he thinks it's due to the defragger running - I did have it scheduled to run 3 times a week

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation.

Re: [CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing

2009-12-19 Thread Tony B
Defragging shouldn't cause crashing at any rate. But most users don't need to defrag but maybe once or twice a year. I use MyDefrag (formerly JKDefrag) (freeware) on some machines; on my own I use PerfectDisk (pay). I'd sure want to get to the cause of the crashes while the unit is still under

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread mike
I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over

Re: [CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing

2009-12-19 Thread mike
Check your power options along with update schedule etc. A friend of mine had a system crashing overnight due to power options and his RAID. He had put the hard drives to never sleep on the main page of power options, but deeper in, they were still being put to sleep. Could be something like

Re: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7

2009-12-19 Thread Brian Jones
I believe that Apache IS the Operating System. Windows would not be involved. - B - Original Message - From: Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com Subject: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7 Is there any benefit of using 64-bit Apache on Windows or is installing it a waste of time? Is it

Re: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7

2009-12-19 Thread mike
Apache is a webserver, open source. One of the most used on the net. I don't think it would matter if it was 64 or 32bit...unless you are serving massive pages and need loads of memory. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Brian Jones wjone...@carolina.rr.comwrote: I believe that Apache IS the

Re: [CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing

2009-12-19 Thread Tony B
Oh, good point. Win7 comes out of the box with very agressive power saving features. These can all be adjusted in Control PanelPower. But it's normal to come back to a machine and find it off. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Check your power options along with

Re: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7

2009-12-19 Thread Tony B
There's no benefit at all to someone that doesn't *need* Apache. Are you a web developer? Do you write php code? If not, then no, the average person doesn't need Apache. If yes then you want to install 64 bit if you have a 64 bit system. I mean, define benefit. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM,

[CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!

2009-12-19 Thread rleesimon
I spent the whole evening (missed Friday nite smackdown!!) cuz my new winMobile6.1 fone lost its ability to sync via bluetooth .notably, the device was showing services list as serial port instead of activesync so it would not connect despite connecting fine via USB. Last nite I fumed, swore,

Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-19 Thread b_s-wilk
I've had fine experiences in mixed and non mixed environments. I'm wondering...how would the scientists run their software on machines that didn't run their software? This is precisely my point, this point has nothing to do with windows or os x. Did they fire everyone and replace the machines

Re: [CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!

2009-12-19 Thread mike
/me intones...windows mobile... On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: I spent the whole evening (missed Friday nite smackdown!!) cuz my new winMobile6.1 fone lost its ability to sync via bluetooth .notably, the device was showing services list as serial port

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Tony B ton...@gmail.com: Except that just the other day it took three passes on a machine at work for CCleaner to find no more problems. WinXP. Maybe. But that doesn't excuse anything. Nor does it justify anything. A better question would be: Did you see a marked, measurable

Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-19 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: would have people believe. My point isn't that there are no IT managers who are biased, but that I don't think the whole IT field is as underhanded as Tom would have people believe. IT managers also don't control costs, many CFO's don't look years ahead to see

Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-19 Thread mike
Not larger than under 2k users. I was speaking more to Tom's points of just black balling all IT managers...but than that's his bad habit with most anything. Macs can run any os...but it would be beyond ridiculous to have a company with windows only software buy a machine that is much more

[CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread Michael Fernando
Looking for list opinions. Yes, I know that it will be all over the place, but that's what I'm looking for, I guess. Currently I have two old Dell boxes. (1) Primary: Optiplex GX270 running Ubuntu Linux. Yes, it is my primary as I'm a server admin and work with remote servers all the time.

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread db
Innovation by definition happens in new areas ... Given the same environment, I don't think you can significantly keep developing something indefinitely. Eventually, ingenuity and options have run their course. Quill pens were replaced by pencils and pens ... they didn't keep experimenting

Re: [CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing

2009-12-19 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com: I took delivery of a brand spanking new Vaio CW with Win 7 Pro earlier this month and for the most part it's been great. Great except for the part where it crashes overnight. I talked to a coworker and he thinks it's due to the defragger running - I

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread mike
Should work with ubuntu as the main box. I think they are talking about more intensive video applications like gaming, because the VM os doesn't have direct access to the hardware, but this should work for just streaming video over IE..although I have not done it myself. I have my main machine

Re: [CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!

2009-12-19 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com: [. . .] as service (not serial port), checked it, told AS to sync via BT and BAM .works like a charm. WTH happened? Was BT ever meant for we earthlings to comprehend, or is it squarely in the domain of the high and holy within 20mi of Redmond or Santa

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I was listening to a radio program on NPR the other day where they talked about the problem with setting standards. The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old standard SDTV. Not much progress is there. When you set some standards innovation seems to lag. People are

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129)

2009-12-19 Thread rleesimon
Huh? From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:14 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129)

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread John DeCarlo
I agree with Mike. I do all my Windows stuff in a VM inside Ubuntu, and it works much nicer in 64-bit, IMHO. But here are some other thoughts. a. Another option is to look at VMware. The newest Virtualbox (3.0?) is very nice, but you can also do a lot with free VMware products like vmplayer.

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com: Option 3: Please suggest. (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) Thanks in advance for suggestions/opinions. Other than the streaming video that requires IE can you do all your

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129)

2009-12-19 Thread Reid Katan
What? Quoting rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com: Huh? From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:14 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest -

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old standard SDTV.  Not much progress is there. Considering the quality of programs on TV, for the most part, why would anyone anguish over the

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread mike
Indeed. I do find myself glued to Dexter however. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old standard

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread db
I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles and government and WM. To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product from a provider with bad juju. Did it ever mature? Governments ... have been both good and bad. The good ones were probably

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread mike
My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because no matter what they know they will keep getting moneyunaccountable.

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread Michael Fernando
a. Another option is to look at VMware. The newest Virtualbox (3.0?) is very nice, but you can also do a lot with free VMware products like vmplayer. One or the other will have some feature you like better. I am pretty darn sure VMware can give a VM direct access to hardware. I have only

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread Michael Fernando
Other than the streaming video that requires IE can you do all your other video watching in Ubuntu? Yes, for instance, flash or watching DVDs works from Ubuntu. They shouldn't be dictating your browser choices like that (which, I guess, you already know :-). Yeah, what's worse, I'm

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread b_s-wilk
Monocultures are almost always bad. Besides, without Macs, who would Microsoft copy? With one OS and limited software, there are a lot of tasks--and games--that won't get done as well as with several operating systems and a variety of software. You are wrong about government. YOU/WE are the

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread katan
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:30:25 -0500, Michael Fernando wrote: They shouldn't be dictating your browser choices like that (which, I guess, you already know :-). Yeah, what's worse, I'm paying for the content (international sports). They said that they will fix, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Reid Katan wrote: Quoting Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com: Option 3: Please suggest. (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) Thanks in advance for suggestions/opinions. Other than the streaming video

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread db
That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and the system remains unaccountable. With some of the name calling and righteous huffing

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread mike
In politics and computers, too many feel a different view is stupidity and not just a different view. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If

Re: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7

2009-12-19 Thread Joe Tseng
Why yes I am thanks for asking! So yes there IS a benefit to me to install a local Apache instance. What I really wanted to do was get my Apache instance to work with my Tomcat instance using mod_jk. I'm considering using my VS.NET 08 to create a 64-bit version of PHP as well since . In any

Re: [CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!

2009-12-19 Thread rleesimon
Yeah...bummer, anyone got a vid dld for me ...it's my only source of vicariance these days septin'4 this board ...hehee ;^) -Original Message- From: Reid Katan [mailto:ka...@his.com] Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: gawwd ...bluetooth! Quoting rleesimon

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Before we keep knocking the PO let us remember. They are mandated by the government to deliver mail to each and every household in the US. Plus they have to do this at the same price point no matter what. They are not allowed to manage themselves. Now this does not excuse misalignment, and

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread Tony B
Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: I need to justify maintaining my computer?! To who? I don't even know where to get the proper forms!

Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives

2009-12-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is, you in good faith called and tried to fix the situation, they in turn have been screwing around. This reminds me of that problem when a student finds a teacher grades their paper wrong in the students

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread Tony B
No, 4g is the limit for 32 bit Windows. To use most versions of Windows with more than 4g you need to go 64 bit. This is not a hard limit, it's a business decision by MS. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com wrote: (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host

Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives

2009-12-19 Thread mike
Well with friends like these.. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:05 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is, you in good faith called and tried to fix the situation, they in turn have been screwing

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread Judy Cosler
??? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: I need to justify maintaining my computer?! To

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread mike
I thought it was limited to 3.5 gigs? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: No, 4g is the limit for 32 bit Windows. To use most versions of Windows with more than 4g you need to go 64 bit. This is not a hard limit, it's a business decision by MS. On Sat, Dec 19,

Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual

2009-12-19 Thread John DeCarlo
?? Using 32 bits gives you the ability to directly address up to 4 GB of memory. Many OSs will do the same thing that Windows does - namely, reserve address space for graphics, BIOS, etc. Not that you couldn't use all 4 GB, but not directly. But my experience so far is that you might need to

Re: [CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story

2009-12-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't think so, they did not pay near enough to congress to get preferential treatment. No but the other bozos have money and they may see it as protecting themselves. -- John Duncan Yoyo

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. Does any registry cleaner actually work in one pass? I thought it was like cleaning your desk. Every layer unearths a new layer of

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread Fred Holmes
After running a registry cleaner, I usually find that a couple of programs have lost their settings/preferences and have gone back to default settings. The list of stuff to be cleaned is so long and inscrutable that I've never been able to audit it and select items to _not_ be cleaned.

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread Tony B
No, I've never seen one that does. However that does not mean it's not possible; it only means nobody has done it yet. And let's not analogize too liberally; no dirt is actually being removed, so the term cleaning is not particularly accurate. Sometimes when apps are uninstalled they will leave

Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, mike wrote: As I stated, the TCO of the pc's at this community college was lower than the macs...because a lot of the TCO that can be added has to do with maintenance on the machines...AV work, etc...these machines have been locked down for years and have never

Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Reid Katan wrote: Another thing Tom doesn't seem to understand is that IT departments *not* having problems are unlikely to call for his services, so, of course he's going to see an inordinate number of problems. He's never going to see the well run IT

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 19, 2009, at 3:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: You are wrong about government. YOU/WE are the government. When elected representatives don't behave, fire them--vote for someone who's better--campaign, inform if you have to do that. If government is unaccountable, it's the fault of people who

Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-19 Thread mike
uh huh. Constant, neverending, denial. Not a fact to be seen..you are a funny man. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:34 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, mike wrote: As I stated, the TCO of the pc's at this community college was lower than the macs...because a lot of

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 19, 2009, at 3:14 PM, mike wrote: My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because no matter what they

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread mike
You mean like the ordinary citizens?? Heaven forbid! On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:52 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Constant denigration of government is a strategy designed to discourage as many citizens as possible from participating. That makes it easier for private interests to control

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:23 PM, db wrote: That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and the system remains unaccountable. Except

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Tony B wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. Carping about this just shows a lack of experience. M$'s registry repair utility gave the same advice. Utilities that repair disk drives do too.

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Does any registry cleaner actually work in one pass? I thought it was like cleaning your desk. Every layer unearths a new layer of problems. Good analogy. * **

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread Tony B
And do you want to remind us - when was that app discontinued? Back in the days of WIn95 I think? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Carping about this just shows a lack of experience. M$'s registry repair utility gave the same advice. Utilities that repair disk

Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-19 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
t.piwowar Creative accounting and refusing to admit the real costs. When you lock down a computer you have greatly reduced its functionality. People can't do as much with a locked down computer. Their productivity is lower. Their creativity is lower. It is not a fair comparison when that

Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner

2009-12-19 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Apparently the new security regime requires that all settings/ preferences be recorded in registry entries, rather than stored in a .ini file, either in the program directory (where it belongs, IMNSHO) or in the Documents and Settings folder.

Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]

2009-12-19 Thread mike
Tom won't care about pesky facts like every user can do exactly what they want to do. He doesn't even bother to ask how they are locked down he just assumes it's some horrible way that makes doing anything impossible. He doesn't care about the truth, just advancing a MFB ideology. On Sat, Dec

Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems

2009-12-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 11:29 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: According to M$ you need to have installed either SP1a or SP2 before installing SP3 on XP. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 To make life easier I downloaded

[CGUYS] Windows registry nuisance

2009-12-19 Thread Tony B
I agreed more in the early days when the registry was such a pita. But I see the reasoning behind it. Programs need a common area to communicate with each other. I dunno. Like I said, since WinXP the registry really hasn't been something that needs any attention. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:36 PM,