Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
Everyone's had their say about the missing laptop study. And 94-98% of the world still buys Windows computers and probably will for the rest of our lifetimes. Give it a rest already. We are not off course. You just want to censor the message. If more people valued their expensive laptops fewer of them would be abandoned at the airport. And when it comes to laptops, Windows market share is south of 70. I won't mention that the market for desktops is stagnant while the market for laptops is hot. Or that the next hot market will be pocket computers, which will be dominated by iPhones. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A polygraph for who? I like the way you cut and pasted that quote from cnet...at first glance it looks like 20,000 google employees have macs. Sorry, corrected it reads... Google has long had a fondness for the Mac, with upwards of 6,000 of its... 20,000 current employees opting to use the Mac over Windows. I was trying to edit out the strikethrough text because it woule not be passed by the ListServ software. I expect you will argue that 6,000 out of 20,000 is not signifiant and that Google is just a bunch of losers, but you would be wrong on both counts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
Your question could be more easily answered had it not contained the phrase productivity and happiness, as if they are somehow connected to one another in a way that suggests that if you have one, you'll automatically have the other. See, there is the IT manager as slave master mentality I'm describing. One of my clients just pink slipped their IT team and brought in a new team. I must say that this new team reinforces my long-held beliefs about IT management. The new guys really know their stuff and don't hide behind techno babble. They are doing a great job at fullfilling unmet needs that had been hanging around for years. When asked about needed capabilities their typical response is something like we've been testing that for a couple of weeks now, go ahead and let us know how it works for you. When they occasionally screw up they forthrightly say we screwed that one up and are redoing it. The previously hostile computer users are very willing to forgive and move on. It is a joy to see this cooperative spirit in action. Staff is much more productive and much more happy. Yes those two words are connected. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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HAHAHAHA! You are too funny Tom! But you didn't use one of them cute smileys, so it's hard to tell if you're being serious - as most of your posts seem ... Most of the time, Tom is not all that serious. He is having fun asking questions from the left field. He enjoys making edgy remarks. A lot of the time, I have scratched my head about what Tom says and then say to myself there's a certain truth to what he is saying. If you aren't having fun doing IT stuff, it gets boring real fast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Staff is much more productive and much more happy. Yes those two words are connected. Fine in that particular situation. However, the phrase more productive can mean that folks are being overworked, often because fewer employees (a cost saving measure) are being asked to do the work that a greater number employees used to accomplish. The Simon Legree workplace concept. In such instances, employee happiness does not often follow. But, we have digressed. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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-Original Message- I would expect Jeff to not get it. Many people have emotional attachments to things like pets or cars or tools. When a tool is empowering its user, its user gets a rush and some of that good feeling transfers to the tool. This is all freshman Psych 101 stuff. You should have taken Psych 102. It would have explained this level of psychosis. Like everyone, I have all sorts of inanimate objects throughout my house. I have tools, books, DVDs, furniture, etc. The only ones I have an emotional attachment to are those that actually have tangible emotions tied to them for concrete reasons: i.e. those attached to a singular and unique event or to family or friends in one way or another. I feel no such longing for my socket set or vacuum cleaner. I still have my first computer in a closet. For obvious sentimental reasons, I keep that one, but those that came after get recycled. If you have an emotional attachment to a computer or OS that you are currently using, and assuming you didn't write your first published novel on it, it only shows that you are lacking something elsewhere. Get out more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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One of my clients just pink slipped their IT team and brought in a new team. I must say that this new team reinforces my long-held beliefs about IT management. Don't you mean *doesn't* reinforce my long-held beliefs about IT management? Otherwise, you've been lying to us all along, you sly dog. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't you mean *doesn't* reinforce my long-held beliefs about IT management? No. It reinforced my long-held beliefs by demonstrating that good IT management is possible and can quickly turn around a bad situation to everyone's benefit. It was a good controlled experiment because nothing changed other than the IT team. The situation went from black to white in just a few weeks time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The IT departments I've worked with who have had bad attitudes have usually gained those attitudes as a larger part of the structure of the company/CEO they work for. As they say: QFT. Mismanagement starts at the top. One way or another. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Agreed. However, that does not mean that a significant number of those purchases are being made by corporations for use by their employees Looks like a fine post for FlatEarthSociety-L. Why is it so important for you to deny the prevalence of Macs? Macs, especially Mac laptops, are quite common these days. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Why is it so important for you to deny the prevalence of Macs? Macs, especially Mac laptops, are quite common these days. I am not trying to deny the prevalence of Macs. I was responding to a post of yours that was related to a thread about how many of the laptops that get lost in airports are owned by businesses. My point was that it should not be assumed that a goodly number of those lost computers were Macs that were owned by businesses and dedicated to business use. Macs are making somewhat of a dent in the button-down business world, but still not nearly as much of a dent as is being made in the non-business world. I know of a number of folks in the work-a-day business world who have recently obtained, for the first time in their lives, Macintosh computers. However, they did not get them for work. They bought them for personal use, and with their own money, not company funds. They still have their company issued Windows portables that they carry around, but for personal use, they have now put their Windows machines at home in the closet, preferring Macs instead. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Without actually looking at raw data, there's no way to prove or disprove either point. Macs are becoming more prevalent these days but it's hard to determine just how many are being purchased by corporations. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:22 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? Agreed. However, that does not mean that a significant number of those purchases are being made by corporations for use by their employees Looks like a fine post for FlatEarthSociety-L. Why is it so important for you to deny the prevalence of Macs? Macs, especially Mac laptops, are quite common these days. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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HAHAHAHA! You are too funny Tom! But you didn't use one of them cute smileys, so it's hard to tell if you're being serious - as most of your posts seem, or if you're saying a funny. If this is the later, then that's a downright knee slapper. I literally fell out of my chair when I read that... :-D But if it's the former, then I really have to start wondering about Mac people. Here I was thinking they were capable of independent thought and didn't place such a high value on inanimate objects. :-( Hmm.. I drove past 2 ATT Phone stores on my way into work today and saw people lined up waiting for the store to open so they can be the first to buy the new and improved iPhone. What was it I was saying? :-) Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:17 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? I also didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their computers. In my job, I use both Macs and PCs (yeah, I know... I've never 'fessed up that I'm a Mac person too). But I don't feel any more emotional attachment to the Macs that I use than I do to my PC. I see them both as work tools. As I did with my typewriter back in the day when I used that. You didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their computers? I think we must ask you to step over to the polygraph machine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
It depends on the industry/business you are involved in. In the religious/Non profit world you are usually confined to donated/refurbished equipment. I know many pastors who have either bought their own laptops (like me) or have larger churches where business exec's donate used laptops from their companies to the staff. Plus what software are they running? Again in my business most of the software is written for Windows not OSX. Our publishing house recently put out software for the design and publishing of ready made service bulletins for worship. Program is only written and published for Windows computers, even though the head guy in charge of this a Mac addict. Go figure. Stewart At 11:51 AM 7/11/2008, you wrote: Without actually looking at raw data, there's no way to prove or disprove either point. Macs are becoming more prevalent these days but it's hard to determine just how many are being purchased by corporations. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I was not familiar with them, but after looking at them they are only slightly cheaper than buying on the market. The only advantage is Office 2003 coming with it. Stewart At 12:34 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote: Stewart - have you ever heard of TechSoup - www.techsoup.org? They offer significant hardware and software discounts to non-profits. Larry Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It depends on the software... MS actually has the best prices for non-profits. XP Pro for about $20 per copy - although it might've gone up since I haven't looked recently. Office 200x for pretty good prices too. We got a Cisco Switch for $50 (brand new, in the box and it didn't fall off the back of a truck or anything!) Adobe products are... well Adobe is somewhat less giving than other companies. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rev. Stewart Marshall Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:21 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? I was not familiar with them, but after looking at them they are only slightly cheaper than buying on the market. The only advantage is Office 2003 coming with it. Stewart At 12:34 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote: Stewart - have you ever heard of TechSoup - www.techsoup.org? They offer significant hardware and software discounts to non-profits. Larry Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't ask me they are the ones publishing it. I guess they decided to make only one platform I guess. From what I hear it is a real dog anyway. It is a subscription program and My church does not want to pay out for the subscription. They changed the way they do the programing now as they want a steady stream of revenue and so have gone with one that requires yearly contracts. My feeling is it is a ripoff so I did not get it. But remember they sell to a small group so they feel (I guess) that they can only afford one format of software. Stewart At 03:30 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote: That is just plain ignorant. There are plenty of software frameworks that will pop out binaries for both platforms with no or little additional work. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
Man, you are so off base here. You've never noticed: classic car owners emotionally attached to their cars? musicians emotionally attached to their instruments? chefs attached to their knives? craftsmen (woodworkers especially) attached to their tools? Most people have emotional attachments to some inanimate objects (family heirlooms, mementos etc.). It often happens that we will acquire tools that work so well for us that they are a pleasure to work with and may even feel like extensions of ourselves, and it is not unusual for us to become fond of those tools. Computers, particularly Macs have long been observed to be objects of affection. Haven't you been reading this list? On Jul 11, 2008, at 4:27 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where's my computer? You didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their computers? I think we must ask you to step over to the polygraph machine. You have an emotional attachment to a tool? That would be touching if not so disturbing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
My point was that it should not be assumed that a goodly number of those lost computers were Macs that were owned by businesses and dedicated to business use. Why do you think a businesses should not care about the productivity and happiness of its workers? Why do you think managers are there to oppress their staffs and disempower them? Not even knowing the technical details, do you really think CEOs are blind to the fact that the most successful businesses also have a high proportion of Macs? Google has long had a fondness for the Mac, with upwards of... 20,000 current employees opting to use the Mac over Windows. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9960547-16.html I think we need another trip to the polygraph here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was that it should not be assumed that a goodly number of those lost computers were Macs that were owned by businesses and dedicated to business use. Why do you think a businesses should not care about the productivity and happiness of its workers? Why do you think managers are there to oppress their staffs and disempower them? Not even knowing the technical details, do you really think CEOs are blind to the fact that the most successful businesses also have a high proportion of Macs? Google has long had a fondness for the Mac, with upwards of... 20,000 current employees opting to use the Mac over Windows. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9960547-16.html I think we need another trip to the polygraph here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A polygraph for who? I like the way you cut and pasted that quote from cnet...at first glance it looks like 20,000 google employees have macs. Hopefully all our readers who care enough followed the link to learn the numbers. Most successful businesses have macs? Really? I'd like to see that spreadsheet. Your evidence is google and it's less then 1/3 of their employees that have macs, is that enough macs to tip the balance against the oppressive pcs? If I have 3000 employees, do I only need to purchase one mac to make sure my business is successful? Awesome... Mike On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was that it should not be assumed that a goodly number of those lost computers were Macs that were owned by businesses and dedicated to business use. Why do you think a businesses should not care about the productivity and happiness of its workers? Why do you think managers are there to oppress their staffs and disempower them? Not even knowing the technical details, do you really think CEOs are blind to the fact that the most successful businesses also have a high proportion of Macs? Google has long had a fondness for the Mac, with upwards of... 20,000 current employees opting to use the Mac over Windows. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9960547-16.html I think we need another trip to the polygraph here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Why do you think a businesses should not care about the productivity and happiness of its workers? Your question could be more easily answered had it not contained the phrase productivity and happiness, as if they are somehow connected to one another in a way that suggests that if you have one, you'll automatically have the other. Why do you think managers are there to oppress their staffs and disempower them? Isn't that what you often claim IT managers do? Not even knowing the technical details, do you really think CEOs are blind to the fact that the most successful businesses also have a high proportion of Macs? I'd have to see that with footnotes attached. I can walk into plenty of successful business in our area who make many mega bucks primarily doing work for federal or state entities and you won't find a Mac anywhere...unless it's in an employee's backpack or satchel. Google has long had a fondness for the Mac, with upwards of... 20,000 current employees opting to use the Mac over Windows. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9960547-16.html I have quite a fondness for my Macs for both pleasure and in my business use. I just think that most businesses still perceive, rightly or wrongly, that Windows is the way to go. Often they have little choice, dependent upon the requirements of their clients in terms of the OS that their products need to run on. I think we need another trip to the polygraph here. You've been watching too much Maury Povich. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My god talk about topic drift. This has to be one of the worst things about a mailing list - there's no way to actually *close* a thread when it veers way off course. Everyone's had their say about the missing laptop study. And 94-98% of the world still buys Windows computers and probably will for the rest of our lifetimes. Give it a rest already. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 07:46 PM 7/9/2008, you wrote: I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him. My writing that Mac owners are more emotionally attached to their computers and therefore less likely to be careless with them was hardly inflammatory, unless one were already inclined to be inflamed. the word anal comet to mind My suggestion that Mac owners are more ardent seems to have touched a nerve. i presume that a very high percentage of the computers hauled thru airports are by business persons. very few companies by mac laptops for their employees. i do not recall any articles that differentiated OS or brand in abandoned computers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Nonsense Tom. You're reading far, far, far more into this than was there. You also, unfortunately, took my comment entirely out of context. The 'derisive' comment was intimating what someone on the list might say. I wasn't necessarily stating my opinion, but trying to give others an opportunity to chime in or have a few good laughs at both of us. :-) I also didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their computers. In my job, I use both Macs and PCs (yeah, I know... I've never 'fessed up that I'm a Mac person too). But I don't feel any more emotional attachment to the Macs that I use than I do to my PC. I see them both as work tools. As I did with my typewriter back in the day when I used that. I'm just sayin' this stuff 'cause I love your contributions Tommy! :-) Larry :-D -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:46 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him. My writing that Mac owners are more emotionally attached to their computers and therefore less likely to be careless with them was hardly inflammatory, unless one were already inclined to be inflamed. My suggestion that Mac owners are more ardent seems to have touched a nerve. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Larry now don't deny when you had to toss that typewriter you teared up... Mike On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nonsense Tom. You're reading far, far, far more into this than was there. You also, unfortunately, took my comment entirely out of context. The 'derisive' comment was intimating what someone on the list might say. I wasn't necessarily stating my opinion, but trying to give others an opportunity to chime in or have a few good laughs at both of us. :-) I also didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their computers. In my job, I use both Macs and PCs (yeah, I know... I've never 'fessed up that I'm a Mac person too). But I don't feel any more emotional attachment to the Macs that I use than I do to my PC. I see them both as work tools. As I did with my typewriter back in the day when I used that. I'm just sayin' this stuff 'cause I love your contributions Tommy! :-) Larry :-D -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:46 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him. My writing that Mac owners are more emotionally attached to their computers and therefore less likely to be careless with them was hardly inflammatory, unless one were already inclined to be inflamed. My suggestion that Mac owners are more ardent seems to have touched a nerve. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes. I must confess. I must relieve myself of this horrible burden. I cried when I tossed the typewriter! I cried darnit. It was like saying goodbye to an old, dear, loyal friend. The kind of a friend who never let you down. The kind of a friend who was always there for you. I remember the event like it was yesterday... It was the morning after a dark and stormy night. The sun rose early as it usually did, the sun glistening off the damp streets like a desk lamp off of a custom built PC with an aluminum case. The dank smell of the morning hung in the air like the smell of a Mac laptop, fresh out of the box. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:57 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? Larry now don't deny when you had to toss that typewriter you teared up... Mike On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nonsense Tom. You're reading far, far, far more into this than was there. You also, unfortunately, took my comment entirely out of context. The 'derisive' comment was intimating what someone on the list might say. I wasn't necessarily stating my opinion, but trying to give others an opportunity to chime in or have a few good laughs at both of us. :-) I also didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their computers. In my job, I use both Macs and PCs (yeah, I know... I've never 'fessed up that I'm a Mac person too). But I don't feel any more emotional attachment to the Macs that I use than I do to my PC. I see them both as work tools. As I did with my typewriter back in the day when I used that. I'm just sayin' this stuff 'cause I love your contributions Tommy! :-) Larry :-D -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:46 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him. My writing that Mac owners are more emotionally attached to their computers and therefore less likely to be careless with them was hardly inflammatory, unless one were already inclined to be inflamed. My suggestion that Mac owners are more ardent seems to have touched a nerve. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Still have two at my office. Certain forms do not play well with computers yet. Stewart At 01:27 PM 7/10/2008, you wrote: Yes. I must confess. I must relieve myself of this horrible burden. I cried when I tossed the typewriter! I cried darnit. It was like saying goodbye to an old, dear, loyal friend. The kind of a friend who never let you down. The kind of a friend who was always there for you. I remember the event like it was yesterday... It was the morning after a dark and stormy night. The sun rose early as it usually did, the sun glistening off the damp streets like a desk lamp off of a custom built PC with an aluminum case. The dank smell of the morning hung in the air like the smell of a Mac laptop, fresh out of the box. Larry Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I also didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their computers. In my job, I use both Macs and PCs (yeah, I know... I've never 'fessed up that I'm a Mac person too). But I don't feel any more emotional attachment to the Macs that I use than I do to my PC. I see them both as work tools. As I did with my typewriter back in the day when I used that. You didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their computers? I think we must ask you to step over to the polygraph machine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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i presume that a very high percentage of the computers hauled thru airports are by business persons. very few companies by mac laptops for their employees. Then you haven't been paying attention... Dell takes huge hit as Apple laptop sales soar infoworld.com/article/07/08/21/Apple-laptops-drive-transformation_1.html Apple seizes one in six laptop sales macnn.com/articles/07/08/29/apple.laptop.sales.soar/ A 17 percent market share is statistically significant. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: A 17 percent market share is statistically significant. Agreed. However, that does not mean that a significant number of those purchases are being made by corporations for use by their employees. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him. My writing that Mac owners are more emotionally attached to their computers and therefore less likely to be careless with them was hardly inflammatory, unless one were already inclined to be inflamed. My suggestion that Mac owners are more ardent seems to have touched a nerve. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have been following this thread, and I found the number of 10,000 per month just astounding. But if you figure that is 333 per day, that probably comes out to something like one a day at every airport around the country. And then when you figure out how many business travelers are late for their flights, disoriented by the TSA procedures, busy talking on their cellphones, or just scatterbrained, I guess the number doesn't sound that bad. But the fact that so few people actually try to recover them, THAT I find amazing. Mike Tony B wrote: Even including thefts, this just doesn't sound plausible. Can anyone find the *actual study*? Following a bunch of links they all just seem to link to each other. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports each week http://tinyurl.com/6sx4hb * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Mike Sloane wrote: I have been following this thread, and I found the number of 10,000 per month just astounding. Actually, I think you have misread the figures. It is 10,000 per week. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you take into account how many folks fly on any given day and how many go through the airports in a given week as an average you will find it is not really a high number. I am just trying to figure out where all the laptops go. Somewhere there must be a huge store room full of them. Stewart At 09:40 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote: On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Mike Sloane wrote: I have been following this thread, and I found the number of 10,000 per month just astounding. Actually, I think you have misread the figures. It is 10,000 per week. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think the study is flawed. If not, why hasn't any of us heard of this auction of thousands of unclaimed laptops? What are the odds that none of them has sensitive information and wouldn't have made the news? And yes, most definitely, if someone were to 'forget' a laptop at an airport I would expect *whoever* finds it to go out of their way to reunite it with the owner, not just take it home and sell it, or throw it in an auction bin. And how are we to believe even hurried travelers are going to forget something as heavy and obvious as a laptop??? You might forget a kid, but not a laptop. I have yet to see a pile of forgotten laptops at any TSA screening area. Much more likely, since the study includes it, is theft. And that's why so many people say they aren't going to try to get it back - because there's basically nothing they can do, not because they left it with TSA. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I was wondering just how long someone would point that out. Perhaps we should start rating Tom's negative comments about PCs like a movie or restaurant. I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him. Or While Tom's comment was enjoyable, it was way too predictable and quite frankly, pedantic. We're just sayin' this stuff 'cause we love you Tommy! :-) -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:31 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? What's funny is, knowing Tom's insecurity with his computer choice I knew exactly where he was going...you've been around long enough too...you should have known this would work to some kind of pc slam. Mike On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes and no. With the current way Insurance works on many sides there is no effort needed to get reimbursed. I happen to value my Laptop and would not want to loose it no matter what. Stewart At 02:28 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote: On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Actually 10,000 PCs. Most were not lost, they were abandoned. An even worse scenario. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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and it's only in the xx biggest airports (don't remember the figure) Steve Rigby wrote: On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Mike Sloane wrote: I have been following this thread, and I found the number of 10,000 per month just astounding. Actually, I think you have misread the figures. It is 10,000 per week. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well there is another way to treat stuff that comes over an email list. It is called the delete key. Use it judiciously. Stewart At 10:36 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote: I was wondering just how long someone would point that out. Perhaps we should start rating Tom's negative comments about PCs like a movie or restaurant. I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him. Or While Tom's comment was enjoyable, it was way too predictable and quite frankly, pedantic. We're just sayin' this stuff 'cause we love you Tommy! :-) Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/147739/laptops_lost_like_hot_cakes_at_us_airports.html_ the study was funded by dell, who is introducing a new laptop tracking system!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Actually they measure only B and C class airports which are some of our busier airports. I usually fly out of a Class (I don't know) airport which is a local feeder to Atlanta. There are only less than a half dozen flights out and they are all on Delta so do not think we have that many lost Laptops here. Stewart At 11:53 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote: and it's only in the xx biggest airports (don't remember the figure) Steve Rigby wrote: On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Mike Sloane wrote: I have been following this thread, and I found the number of 10,000 per month just astounding. Actually, I think you have misread the figures. It is 10,000 per week. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I am just trying to figure out where all the laptops go. Somewhere there must be a huge store room full of them. Maybe. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Larry Sacks wrote: I was wondering just how long someone would point that out. Perhaps we should start rating Tom's negative comments about PCs like a movie or restaurant. He'd probably love it. Like it or not, Tom has his opinions and we know some of what he thinks. But, he's not totally adoring of Apple either, and he'll tell you that. I think he likes their hardware a bit more these days than all of their recent software moves. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Tony B wrote: I think the study is flawed. If not, why hasn't any of us heard of this auction of thousands of unclaimed laptops? There are many things that we do not hear of. I have yet to see a pile of forgotten laptops at any TSA screening area. Much more likely, since the study includes it, is theft. Whadda ya mean, much more likely? Who is to say that it is not TSA people who are the culprits, or involved in some way. The study showed that most of the disappearances appear to occur at the TSA security checkpoints. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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could you elaborate on that for me, as in my opinion, the whole purpose of advertising is to sell people what they don't need. At 01:53 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote: That fact has not gone unnoticed. However, since laptop tracking systems are going to fast become one of the new things to opt for, that, in and of itself, tells you there is a problem. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Maybe there's more thefts at the TSA security checkpoints since owners can be more separated from their laptops? Years ago, when going through a security checkpoint - before there was a TSA - someone accidentally picked up my laptop as it got through the x-ray machine before I was able to retrieve it. I saw it and made a fuss. (And yes, it was a PC laptop - a HP Omnibook 600c). Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rigby Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:40 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Tony B wrote: I think the study is flawed. If not, why hasn't any of us heard of this auction of thousands of unclaimed laptops? There are many things that we do not hear of. I have yet to see a pile of forgotten laptops at any TSA screening area. Much more likely, since the study includes it, is theft. Whadda ya mean, much more likely? Who is to say that it is not TSA people who are the culprits, or involved in some way. The study showed that most of the disappearances appear to occur at the TSA security checkpoints. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I've been watching this thread and I'm really tired of Mr. Rigby's unsubstantiated accusations of theft by TSA employees. The article says that 69% of the laptops are not reclaimed it does NOT say they were not recovered. I work for TSA and most of the people I work with are HONEST people interested in ensuring the flying public can safely get from point A to point B. Some are young people just entering the workforce, some are retirees supplementing their income, and some of them are jerks. However, theft is not tolerated. I have seen officers terminated for failing to turn in the change people leave in the plastic bowls. So, please stop spouting random garbage about TSA stealing thousands of laptops. If you are interesting in the real world of lost laptops at airport security here it is: When a computer is left at a security checkpoint, a page announcing the lost computer is sent out if the checkpoint has access to a paging system. Otherwise, the computer is held at the security checkpoint until the end of the shift and then turned over to the local TSA operations center. The operations center logs the laptop serial number and turns it over to airport lost and found. Most airports maintain their lost and found inventory for a specific period of time then auction off the items. Check local auctions to find out when they auction off lost and found items and you can probably get your hands on a decent laptop at a very good price. Having read the article I do believe that 10,000 laptops are left at airports every month. On any given day 5+ laptops are left at my airport and my airport probably isn't in the 36 busiest category. Most of these laptops are left by travelers rushing to catch a flight. Howard Steve Rigby wrote: On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Tony B wrote: Whadda ya mean, much more likely? Who is to say that it is not TSA people who are the culprits, or involved in some way. The study showed that most of the disappearances appear to occur at the TSA security checkpoints. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why even take the trouble to delete the message? Just leave it sit unread. There's plenty of space on today's large hard drives. Fred Holmes At 11:47 AM 7/8/2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Well there is another way to treat stuff that comes over an email list. It is called the delete key. Use it judiciously. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 4:08 PM, gerald wrote: the whole purpose of advertising is to sell people what they don't need. Maybe. Maybe not. The Lo-Jack™ concept began with the automobile. Cars do get stolen and car theft is a problem. With my car, there would be no need for such. Within a very short period of time, the service would cost me more than the car is worth. Someone else, however, with a different car and in a different locality may view things otherwise. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Howard Wall wrote: I've been watching this thread and I'm really tired of Mr. Rigby's unsubstantiated accusations of theft by TSA employees. I believe I have written only the following entries in reference to TSA employees: Whadda ya mean, much more likely? Who is to say that it is not TSA people who are the culprits, or involved in some way. The study showed that most of the disappearances appear to occur at the TSA security checkpoints. +++ According to a recent post here on this subject, TSA will make announcements about forgotten computers, at least at Dulles International. +++ I wrote the first one above on July 8, and the second on July 7. I did not accuse TSA employees of theft in either. You have explained the process that is to be employed by TSA if they come upon a computer that has been left behind, and I am sure that everyone appreciated your explanation. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ahh... you must drive a BMW. You do know BMW stands for Break My Wallet Or is that Break My Window - something I heard growing up in the NY area... ;-) -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rigby Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:54 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer? On Jul 8, 2008, at 4:08 PM, gerald wrote: the whole purpose of advertising is to sell people what they don't need. Maybe. Maybe not. The Lo-Jack(tm) concept began with the automobile. Cars do get stolen and car theft is a problem. With my car, there would be no need for such. Within a very short period of time, the service would cost me more than the car is worth. Someone else, however, with a different car and in a different locality may view things otherwise. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Steve Rigby wrote: Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports each week In response to my own message, another parallel article states that most of the computers go missing at the security checkpoints. I would therefore hazard a guess that TSA people are taking them. Is that Transportation Security Administration? It would probably not take a lot of detective work to contact the owner of most of those that go missing, assuming they wind up in a lost and found area, which most apparently do not. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Every time I have flown you must take your laptop out of the bag and put into one of those bins. From what I read in the article it seems many folks forget to pick their laptop back up, and then proceed not to ask for it or search for it. It sounds more like forgetfulness, than theft. I am sure later on those laptops are sold via auction and some ones insurance company is shelling out for a new laptop. Items left at TSA check points do not go into Airport Lost and Found. Stewart At 11:43 AM 7/7/2008, you wrote: In response to my own message, another parallel article states that most of the computers go missing at the security checkpoints. I would therefore hazard a guess that TSA people are taking them. Is that Transportation Security Administration? It would probably not take a lot of detective work to contact the owner of most of those that go missing, assuming they wind up in a lost and found area, which most apparently do not. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Every time I have flown you must take your laptop out of the bag and put into one of those bins. That is the procedure. From what I read in the article it seems many folks forget to pick their laptop back up, and then proceed not to ask for it or search for it. Agreed. It sounds more like forgetfulness, than theft. Initially it is likely to be forgetfulness. What occurs afterwards could well be theft. I am sure later on those laptops are sold via auction and some ones insurance company is shelling out for a new laptop. Unless it is someone's personal computer. Also, many computers owned by corporations carry stickers or labels on them that identify the owner. Are you suggesting that TSA or other entities at airports would not even go to the trouble of contacting the owner if said owner is that easily identifiable? Items left at TSA check points do not go into Airport Lost and Found. And why not, I ask? It isn't like a forgotten laptop is the same as an item that has been confiscated. How mean spirited can one get? Is this more of our all-too-humorless law enforcement? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports each week Actually 10,000 PCs. Most were not lost, they were abandoned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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that number sounds about right. i get to DCA an hour ahead of my flight. i hear the call for the passenger to pick up their computer at tsa once every 2 or 3 times i sit. i have never heard a call for abandon computer at DFW(dallas). At 02:38 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote: Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports each week Actually 10,000 PCs. Most were not lost, they were abandoned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Actually 10,000 PCs. Most were not lost, they were abandoned. An even worse scenario. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 3:06 PM, gerald wrote: that number sounds about right. i get to DCA an hour ahead of my flight. i hear the call for the passenger to pick up their computer at tsa once every 2 or 3 times i sit. So, how in the hell does one go about forgetting their computer, especially as many times at it apparently occurs? And then to make so little effort to retrieve it? Have we, as a society, actually developed that much of a throw away attitude toward relatively expensive things? If so, it's no wonder that so much of the rest of the world views us with such disdain. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes and no. With the current way Insurance works on many sides there is no effort needed to get reimbursed. I happen to value my Laptop and would not want to loose it no matter what. Stewart At 02:28 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote: On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Actually 10,000 PCs. Most were not lost, they were abandoned. An even worse scenario. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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TSA is not the one required to contact you if you leave something. Does the motel call you if you leave a piece of clothing in your room when you travel? I lost a very nice sport coat last summer in a very nice high class expensive hotel. Forgot it in my room. Last it was seen. Items confiscated get sold off. Check out the auctions. Stewart At 01:14 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote: Unless it is someone's personal computer. Also, many computers owned by corporations carry stickers or labels on them that identify the owner. Are you suggesting that TSA or other entities at airports would not even go to the trouble of contacting the owner if said owner is that easily identifiable? Items left at TSA check points do not go into Airport Lost and Found. And why not, I ask? It isn't like a forgotten laptop is the same as an item that has been confiscated. How mean spirited can one get? Is this more of our all-too-humorless law enforcement? Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: TSA is not the one required to contact you if you leave something. According to a recent post here on this subject, TSA will make announcements about forgotten computers, at least at Dulles International. Does the motel call you if you leave a piece of clothing in your room when you travel? Perhaps not, but they did send me my ATM card that I left in a room last September. The same hotel also returned a watch that a friend left on the same occasion. I think it may all come down to the level of responsibility and honesty of the individual involved. The day of the Oklahoma City bombing my girlfriend was at the Washington, DC FBI building waiting for a tour. She and a couple of her friends were sitting outside along with many other folks. After the explosion, which was unbeknownst at the time to them, FBI security personnel rushed out of the building and ordered everyone to leave the area, but to leave any bags packages or parcels behind. Attempts by persons to leave with anything other than handbags, as in the case of women, were physically rebuffed. My girlfriend had to leave behind her expensive SLR along with a number of lenses, and her two friends also had to abandon their cameras because they were in cases. No one ever saw their property again. Numerous calls my girlfriend made to FBI in the aftermath about her camera were all met with the same response. They knew nothing about it, and they had taken in no cameras of any sort that had been abandoned that day. I'd say a bunch of security folks made out pretty well that day. For what it is worth, my girlfriend asked if the abandoned property had been dynamically rendered harmless, their term for blowing things up that are deemed as being potentially dangerous. They said no and that they had no idea what had happened to any items left that day. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So, how in the hell does one go about forgetting their computer, especially as many times at it apparently occurs? And then to make so little effort to retrieve it? Have we, as a society, actually developed that much of a throw away attitude toward relatively expensive things? If so, it's no wonder that so much of the rest of the world views us with such disdain. A Mac owner would not do this, but not so if you are lugging around a misbehaving PC that some driod in IT decided you must have. I would not make any effort to get it back. I would be thinking that I might get a replacement that maybe, just maybe this time actually worked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: A Mac owner would not do this, but not so if you are lugging around a misbehaving PC that some driod in IT decided you must have. I would not make any effort to get it back. I would be thinking that I might get a replacement that maybe, just maybe this time actually worked. At 10,000 units per week, perhaps this may go a ways toward explaining the market share enjoyed by Windows machines. It is a certified fact that virtually all business portables being lugged through airports are Windows PCs, and probably only a corporate male or female would actually just forget and then abandon a computer. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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i think that to be incorrect. the life of corporate individual is within the carried computer. At 06:36 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote: On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: A Mac owner would not do this, but not so if you are lugging around a misbehaving PC that some driod in IT decided you must have. I would not make any effort to get it back. I would be thinking that I might get a replacement that maybe, just maybe this time actually worked. At 10,000 units per week, perhaps this may go a ways toward explaining the market share enjoyed by Windows machines. It is a certified fact that virtually all business portables being lugged through airports are Windows PCs, and probably only a corporate male or female would actually just forget and then abandon a computer. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
What's funny is, knowing Tom's insecurity with his computer choice I knew exactly where he was going...you've been around long enough too...you should have known this would work to some kind of pc slam. Mike On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes and no. With the current way Insurance works on many sides there is no effort needed to get reimbursed. I happen to value my Laptop and would not want to loose it no matter what. Stewart At 02:28 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote: On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Actually 10,000 PCs. Most were not lost, they were abandoned. An even worse scenario. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
Well all the mac owners all have higher IQ's are better dressed, drive faster better cars, travel in first class and also have anywhere from 3 to 16 assistance helping them remember their laptop. It's just not fair to those dumb pc people! Mike On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how in the hell does one go about forgetting their computer, especially as many times at it apparently occurs? And then to make so little effort to retrieve it? Have we, as a society, actually developed that much of a throw away attitude toward relatively expensive things? If so, it's no wonder that so much of the rest of the world views us with such disdain. A Mac owner would not do this, but not so if you are lugging around a misbehaving PC that some driod in IT decided you must have. I would not make any effort to get it back. I would be thinking that I might get a replacement that maybe, just maybe this time actually worked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
Even including thefts, this just doesn't sound plausible. Can anyone find the *actual study*? Following a bunch of links they all just seem to link to each other. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports each week http://tinyurl.com/6sx4hb * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
Even including thefts, this just doesn't sound plausible. Can anyone find the *actual study*? Following a bunch of links they all just seem to link to each other. Here it is. The study was sponsored by Dell. http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/services/dell_lost_laptop_study.pdf It says, Laptop loss frequencies were collected from a confidential field survey as either a direct weekly estimate or as a range variable as reported by airport officials. Exact loss frequencies were typically not calculated or available for review. In other words, it's a guess. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
