My 2 cents on the subject...
The automatic toll fee system I am most familiar with is that of Kapsh (used
to be Combitech). They have implemented automatic toll fee collection in
many countries around the world (in Europe, Asia, Australia, south
America)...
http://www.kapsch.se/
I think they u
Jerrold Leichter wrote:
How long before license plates have transponders built into them? After all,
it's long-established law that you can be required to place an identifier on
your car when it's on the public roads - why's there a difference between one
that responds at optical frequencies and o
| ...unless people are willing to go very hi-tech in their toll evasion
| maneuvers, implementing, say, thin see-through LCD screens placed over their
| license plates that turn opaque at a push of a button
A local TV station here in the NY area did a show about a lower-tech version
of the same
| > another purpose -- preserving the privacy of drivers by using more
| > complicated protocols. However, as the benefit of such systems is to
| > people who are unlikely to have much voice in the construction of the
| > system, and who are also unlikely to be willing to pay more money to
| > gain
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 10:39:18AM +0200, Amir Herzberg wrote:
> So I think this observation about EZ Pass is probably true, but for some
> time ago; with current technology, reading license plates is possible
> (which, I guess, has some alarming privacy implications...).
While Toll Collect (th
Ian Grigg wrote:
[...]
I can make a call, and nobody can read my location without doing
complicated tracking stuff with many cells.
I understand usually no more than three are required, and even two are
enough.
The day that the cops get their dream of cell phones being able to
signal location, that
If they could read the license plates reliably, then they wouldn't
need the EZ Pass at all. They can't. It takes human effort, which is
in short supply.
The toll road that began operating here in Israel seems able to read
your license plate number, without even requiring cars to slow down (and
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> another purpose -- preserving the privacy of drivers by using more
> complicated protocols. However, as the benefit of such systems is to
> people who are unlikely to have much voice in the construction of the
> system, and who are also unlikely to
Eric Rescorla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> All the toll lanes that accept EZ Pass that I've seen are equipped
>> with cameras. These cameras are used to identify toll evaders
>> already. You point out that doing this would require manual work, but
>> in fact several systems (including the one us
"Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> It would be relatively easy to catch someone
>>> doing this - just cross-correlate with other
>>> information (address of home and work) and
>>> then photograph the car at the on-ramp.
>>
>> Am I missing
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 10:28:49AM +1000, Greg Rose wrote:
>
> If they could do that reliably, they wouldn't need the toll thingy, nu? I
> have been told by someone in the photo-enforcement industry that their
> reliability is only around 75%, and they're very expensive, and ... anyway,
> not a
FasTrak is a passive system relative to the transponder -- it uses the
transponder ID, a vehicle sensor, and an axle counter to generate toll
records. The associated license plate capture-and-decode feature is only
invoked if a non-transponder-equipped or invalidated-transponder-equipped
vehicle at
At 21:54 2004-07-09 +0100, Ian Grigg wrote:
John Gilmore wrote:
It would be relatively easy to catch someone
doing this - just cross-correlate with other
information (address of home and work) and
then photograph the car at the on-ramp.
Am I missing something?
It seems to me that EZ Pass spoofing s
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Gilmore writes:
>If they could read the license plates reliably, then they wouldn't
>need the EZ Pass at all. They can't. It takes human effort, which is
>in short supply.
>
There are, in fact, toll roads that try to do that; see, for example,
http://www.whe
John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> It would be relatively easy to catch someone
>> doing this - just cross-correlate with other
>> information (address of home and work) and
>> then photograph the car at the on-ramp.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> It seems to me that EZ Pass spoofing sho
John Gilmore wrote:
[By the way, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is being left out of this conversation,
by his own configuration, because his site censors all emails from me. --gnu]
Sourceforge was doing that to me today!
Well, I am presuming that ... the EZ Pass does have an account
number, right? And then,
| > No mention is made of encryption or challenge response
| > authentication but I guess that may or may not be part of the design
| > (one would think it had better be, as picking off the ESN should be duck
| > soup with suitable gear if not encrypted).
|
| From a business perspective, it ma
[By the way, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is being left out of this conversation,
by his own configuration, because his site censors all emails from me. --gnu]
> Well, I am presuming that ... the EZ Pass does have an account
> number, right? And then, the car does have a licence place? So,
> just correla
John Gilmore wrote:
It would be relatively easy to catch someone
doing this - just cross-correlate with other
information (address of home and work) and
then photograph the car at the on-ramp.
Am I missing something?
It seems to me that EZ Pass spoofing should become as popular as
cellphone clonin
> It would be relatively easy to catch someone
> doing this - just cross-correlate with other
> information (address of home and work) and
> then photograph the car at the on-ramp.
Am I missing something?
It seems to me that EZ Pass spoofing should become as popular as
cellphone cloning, until th
From: Dave Emery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> [...]
>
Perhaps someone more paranoid (or subversive) than I am will
follow up and actually build such a monitor and report w
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:34:20 -0400
From: Dave Emery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: EZ Pass and the fast lane
No mention is made of encryption or challenge response
authentication but I guess that may or may not be part of the design
(one would think
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:34:20 -0400
From: Dave Emery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: EZ Pass and the fast lane
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Having been inspired by some subversive comments on cypherpunks,
I ac
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