Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Norman Fournier
Hello, A column is a vertical division of space, a row is a horizontal division of space, a grid is a horizontal and vertical division and allocation of available space. You should ask your client which grid system or framework they use and then follow the example. The grid is the basis of the

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tim Dawson
On 11/08/2014 15:05, MiB wrote: aug 11 2014 14:32 Tom Livingston : I'm more or less in the same boat as you. Though, designers I work with use a grid, but I see a page differently and can recreate it in html with out the need of a million classes for columns. Again, this is a feature of (s

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread MiB
aug 11 2014 14:32 Tom Livingston : > I'm more or less in the same boat as you. Though, designers I work > with use a grid, but I see a page differently and can recreate it in > html with out the need of a million classes for columns. Again, this is a feature of (some) Grid Frameworks and not of

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Crest Christopher
I've understood grids, yet I haven't. My personal site I don't use grids, I place things how most people view a site, and what they would see first, second and third, if they need the third. If someone came to me and said I have a 4 column, 12 pixel grid, I wouldn't know how to lay it out, we

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Tim Dawson wrote: > On 11/08/2014 12:21, MiB wrote: >> >> Grids are not the same as grid frameworks. It sounds to me you mixing >> these concepts up. > > I think you've put your finger on it here. I asked the wrong question. It > should have been > 'Grid framework

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tim Dawson
On 11/08/2014 12:21, MiB wrote: Grids are not the same as grid frameworks. It sounds to me you mixing these concepts up. I think you've put your finger on it here. I asked the wrong question. It should have been 'Grid frameworks: what's all the fuss about'. But I wouldn't have asked that ques

Re: [css-d] Fwd: Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tim Dawson
On 11/08/2014 11:40, Peter H. wrote: Grids give your site a visual consistency, which in my book is a good thing. Absolutely. 12-column grids are handy if you don't know the final design - they're very flexible in that you can use as a base for 2-, 3-, 4-, or 6- column pages. Usually they're

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread MiB
And some basic principles to keep in mind as suggested by Vinh: "A grid should focus on problem solving first and aesthetics second. A grid is a component of the user experience The simpler the grid, the more effective it is. …mathematic precision is a key element of good grid design, but mathemat

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread MiB
Some benefits according to Khoo Vinh: "• Grids add order, continuity, and harmony to the presentation of information on frequently high-density web pages. • Grids help users predict where to find information from page to page or from behavioral state to behavioral state, which

Re: [css-d] removal

2014-08-11 Thread Tom Livingston
Follow the links in the footer of any CSS-d message to find the unsubscribe. I believe you must sign in to find it. On Monday, August 11, 2014, csimpson wrote: > hi sorry to be a pain , can you remove me for a while from the list , > thanks > > Carl >

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread MiB
11 aug 2014 kl. 12:25 skrev Tim Dawson : >> One word: Flexibility with contained order. > But I think I can already do that with floated , which are even more > flexible since they > can be any % of the container width (must add to 100%, of course). 'Contained > order' suggests a > bit more, bu

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tim Dawson
On 11/08/2014 11:12, MiB wrote: aug 11 2014 11:04 Tim Dawson : is it just the current buzz-word ? I don’t think so, no. To me that’s like saying ”design" is a buzz word. Grids are everywhere in any design profession. Look att architecture: Grids, Cars: Grids, Papers: Grids. Grids are pretty

[css-d] Fwd: Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Peter H.
De: Tim Dawson Fecha: 11 de agosto de 2014 12:25:24 GMT+02:00 Para: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Asunto: Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ? On 11/08/2014 09:43, MiB wrote: > 11 aug 2014 kl. 10:02 skrev Tim Dawson : >> what I'd do with an eight or twelve column design (or why I'd need it, >>

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2014-08-11 Thread csimpson
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Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tim Dawson
On 11/08/2014 09:43, MiB wrote: 11 aug 2014 kl. 10:02 skrev Tim Dawson : what I'd do with an eight or twelve column design (or why I'd need it, really). One word: Flexibility with contained order. But I think I can already do that with floated , which are even more flexible since they can be

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread MiB
aug 11 2014 11:04 Tim Dawson : > is it just the current buzz-word ? I don’t think so, no. To me that’s like saying ”design" is a buzz word. Grids are everywhere in any design profession. Look att architecture: Grids, Cars: Grids, Papers: Grids. Grids are pretty much ubiquitous.

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tim Dawson
On 11/08/2014 09:09, Barney Carroll wrote: 12 is a useful number in that it allows division by 2, 3, 4 and 6. It allows for very flexible designs as a result. Yes, we used to have 12 pence to the shilling. It had its uses. I've struggled with the term 'grid', too: it implies a second dimensio

Re: [css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread MiB
11 aug 2014 kl. 10:02 skrev Tim Dawson : > what I'd do with an eight or twelve column design (or why I'd need it, > really). One word: Flexibility with contained order. The best design book for grids IMHO is "Ordering Disorder: Grid Principles for Web Design” by Khoi Vinh (2010 Voices That M

[css-d] Grids: what's all the fuss ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tim Dawson
I've put off learning about CSS grids until very recently, but now a designer has sent me a PSD to code which he says is 'on a 12-column grid' I thought I'd better get up to speed. I've done some reading. I have discovered that I've been using grids for years, with two and three column designs