Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-25 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Eric wrote: Hi Phillip, You ran Andy Clarke's site through the validator instead of trying to understand how the REM unit (the thread's topic) is used in CSS?! All I can say is that that's just a bit sad. Instead of trying to learn something your first action is to try to discredit

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-25 Thread Eric
Philippe, (under example 25 for the width MQ – it applies equally to the REM unit) Sure, that makes sense as long as a font-size has been set for the root element. If there is no font-size set on the root element I'm not absolutely sure what would be used but based on my testing of the REM

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-01-25 13:37 (GMT-0500) Eric composed: Sure, that makes sense as long as a font-size has been set for the root element. If there is no font-size set on the root element I'm not absolutely sure what would be used but based on my testing of the REM unit and UA default font-size my

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-25 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 26 janv. 2013 à 03:37, Eric e...@minerbits.com a écrit : (under example 25 for the width MQ – it applies equally to the REM unit) Sure, that makes sense as long as a font-size has been set for the root element. If there is no font-size set on the root element I'm not absolutely sure

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-25 Thread Eric
Philippe, It comes down to the value set by the UA stylesheet (in case of font-size, usually the value set in the browser preferences, or the system preferences). I knew I had read that somewhere. Thanks for clarifying it. Thanks, Eric On January 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM Philippe Wittenbergh

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread David Laakso
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Eric e...@minerbits.com wrote: Since I'm still in the process of getting to 'Pro level I can point you to a tree Pro's site if you're interested in see how the REM unit is used: Is Andy Clarke 'pro' enough for you? His calls his site Stuff Nonsense I'm sure

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Philip TAYLOR
David Laakso wrote: re: Stuff Nonsense http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/ Yes, very nice. Thanks. Shame that it is impossible to navigate the site in Android/2.3.6 [tapping the unicode symbol for navigation crashes the site, sending the user back to the phones desktop]; and, employing

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Livingston
Perhaps a kind tweet or email to him (via contact links in the footer of his site) might be helpful? I'm pretty sure Mr. Clarke isn't on this list. At least not using his real name. I've never seen him post. He is, however, pro enough in my book. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Philip TAYLOR

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Eric
Hello David, I would assume the Andy checked his design and code on all available devices since he's an industry leader in advocating such testing. I have no idea what's going on with your Android device, but if I were to diagnose the issue I'd start there. Besides, if what you describe has

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Eric wrote: I would assume the Andy checked his design and code on all available devices since he's an industry leader in advocating such testing. Testing can reveal only the presence of bugs, not their absence. (Edsger Diskstra). All the checking in the world is a waste of time if he

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Livingston
Looking through the validator output, i'd *guess* that the errors were things that the ...experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance Checker doesn't understand, such as vendor prefixes etc. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Eric wrote: I would assume

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Tom Livingston wrote: Looking through the validator output, i'd *guess* that the errors were things that the ...experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance Checker doesn't understand, such as vendor prefixes etc. In its HTML 5 mode, the validator is indeed an imperfect tool, but in general it

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Eric e...@minerbits.com wrote: I would assume the Andy checked his design and code on all available devices since he's an industry leader in advocating such testing. Eric, re: stuffandnonsense.http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/ Nevertheless, the site -- as

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Philip TAYLOR
David Laakso wrote: Nevertheless, the site -- as previously stated -- has issues [crashing the browser and a massive horizontal-scroll bar at +1] in Android/2.3.6. Crashing the browser asserts a causal relationahip that has not been demonstrated to exist. If a browser crashes, the browser

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Livingston
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: Looking through the validator output, i'd *guess* that the errors were things that the ...experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance Checker doesn't understand, such as vendor prefixes etc.

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Tom Livingston wrote: My point exactly. It's throwing an error, but for something that the validator just doesn't understand and flags but is considered by most to be OK to have in the styles. Unless you are in the camp of no vendor prefixes ever and the like... No,I am in the camp of

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Livingston
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: My point exactly. It's throwing an error, but for something that the validator just doesn't understand and flags but is considered by most to be OK to have in the styles. Unless you are in

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Tom Livingston wrote: I am not arguing your point, but merely try to say (poorly) that the errors the validator is flagging may not break the page. Of course : I hope I did not appear to suggest otherwise. Neither validity nor invalidity offer any guarantees of behaviour, but a page that

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Livingston
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: I am not arguing your point, but merely try to say (poorly) that the errors the validator is flagging may not break the page. Of course : I hope I did not appear to suggest otherwise.

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Eric
David, Nevertheless, the site -- as previously stated -- has issues [crashing the browser and a massive horizontal-scroll bar at +1] in Android/2.3.6. What does that have to do with developing an understanding of relative units in CSS? But, since you insist on changing the topic (which is

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Eric
Hi Phillip, You ran Andy Clarke's site through the validator instead of trying to understand how the REM unit (the thread's topic) is used in CSS?! All I can say is that that's just a bit sad. Instead of trying to learn something your first action is to try to discredit the example I posted?!

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 25 janv. 2013 à 14:04, Eric e...@minerbits.com a écrit : What does that have to do with developing an understanding of relative units in CSS? But, since you insist on changing the topic (which is usually done by those who don't understand the topic) let me just say….what the hell

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-24 Thread David Laakso
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Eric e...@minerbits.com wrote: David, trim So shall we go into more detail on the REM and other relative units or move on to the next topic? Eric Neither. As for myself, I plan on taking in a good movie... Best, David Laakso -- Chelsea Creek Studio

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-23 Thread David Laakso
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Eric e...@minerbits.com wrote: I thought for the sake of beginners who might subscribe to this list we ought to discuss this in a new thread. Eric Since the mission of this list is the practical application of CSS, rather than disusing it, how about

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-23 Thread Eric
well David, Since I'm still in the process of getting to 'Pro level I can point you to a tree Pro's site if you're interested in see how the REM unit is used: Is Andy Clarke 'pro' enough for you? His calls his site Stuff Nonsense http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/ I'm sure you know the name.

Re: [css-d] New Thread: The REM unit vs. EM's vs. PX's...

2013-01-19 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-01-19 14:49 (GMT-0500) Eric composed: On 2013-01-14 17:00 (GMT-0500) Felix Miata composed: users with competent UAs can avoid the need to apply zoom to restore some legibility, at least potentially, via a user stylesheet containing the