Are there any scans of the documents on the net? Or could the person who has
this email the list with copies of the doc's and or pics?
thanks-
Dante
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Well Hammurabi, if the history of Christianity and Judaism was as simple as
you make it out to be, it probably wouldn't have taken thousands of years for
it to be debunked by you and your peers. They say a good academic is one who
learns more and more and less and less. You
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Hammurabi, you are so sure of yourself. Every statement is a major
pronouncement of The Truth. You have come as a messiah to save us from our
lives based on ignorance of The Truth or at least that is how your writing
appears to me. All of the scholars of the past in the area
In a message dated 4/21/02 2:01:50 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, you see, a lot has to do with human events and humans responding to them.
Just in case you didn't notice, the evil is organized by those who are rational, organized and in control of their faculties. They
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Hammurabi did a nice academic presentation of what some academics know about
that part of history. Those who read here should know that there is a big
academic religious movement bent on saying that nothing in Jewish or
Christian history can be accepted with certainty. No
In a message dated 4/20/02 11:36:03 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the romans had no problem with jesus; in fact, they really liked the guy -
he told everybody to pay taxes and be good citizens. it was the jewish
leaders that requested he be crucified as he was, by
What a poetic little piece alamaine. Recently I read a piece in which a journalist claimed that it was "outrageous" that she was actually checkpointed when she wanted to get to Arafat. And then there's the real world where evil, cruelty, powerlust, revenge, jealousy can possess the minds of men
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Source: World Net Daily; April 8, 2002
Too Old -- Or Sick -- To Live
by Barbara Simpson
[Barbara Simpson, The Babe in the Bunker as she's known to her KSFO
560 radio talk-show audience in San Francisco, has a 20-year radio,
television and newspaper career in the Bay Area and
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The questions remain. Did it occur as the Palestinians said it did or as the
Israelis said it did? Why Jenin and not other places? Had the people people
of Jenin stood by and let atrocities be committed in their name? Evil exacts
a high price from those who are seduced by it
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Who is Benjamin Freedman? Probably like something like a UFO creature, the
loch ness monster, a yeti or some other imaginary lifeform that many write
about to make a buck. A google search indicates that many antisemitic
groups have carried his story, but that's as far as the
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Bad Benski is a friend of Connie's. He sends out tons of jokes. He has a
serious side, but I never see it because he never sends out anything of
importance. Uncle Joe would appreciate his jokes as Joe never sends out
anything but jokes also.
A
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I didn't check where I was writing before I sent a response to an instant
message. I'm sure all of you know people who only send out jokes.
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xenaphage,
Boy, do you sound like a newbie when it comes to conspiracy research. It's
the kindest thing one can say after reading your end of the dialogue. We are
now in a world dominated by public relations and advertising. Every action
is gaged by it's impact on the public,
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Anyone who has been around the conspiracy circuit knows the concentration
camp rumors, the guillitine rumors, the boxcar rumors. These have been
around for at least the last 15 years. How about them foreign troops that
are reading directions off the back of stop signs,
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If your computer has sound you know how to work, you can hear Barry Chamish
this evening in an interview on rense.com. Between 5 and 8 pm central time,
7 to 10 pacific time or 4 to 7 eastern time. You can download a realplayer
free or whatever to get it. Jeff Rense has a very
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When an equal number of these peace marchers try marching in Palestinian
territory in support of the Israelis, then I might listen to their message of
peace. Right now it's propaganda and not peace they are after.
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Let's get real about what is happening in the Middle East. Nazis had cells
all over the world churning out emotional disinformation.
The following piece shows how complex the work of those out to destroy Israel
and Judaism is. Other information shows that suiciders are not
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Most countries build up a military by appealing to people who are willing to
die for beliefs in which they have faith. The leaders of the Palestinians are
no different in that regard. Where they are different is that moral
countries give their military members a fighting chance
In a message dated 3/29/02 8:15:27 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh stop being naive!
It's a little tough to fight the finest wares that can be either bought or extorted from America with freaking rocks and stones!!
Yes, Wes, that was a boatload of rocks that the Israelis
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Subject: [CTRL] homosexuals infiltrating government-controlled 501 (c) 3
churches ...
Only Christianity? Why not Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism or the Jewish faith?
A flip answer to the clever comments would
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From: Chalmers Johnson
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:47 AM
Subject: Vive la France!
At last, the French are doing something useful:
French Intellectuals to be Deployed in Afghanistan To Convince
Taleban of Non-Existence of God
The ground war in Afghanistan heated up
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In all humor there is a bit of truth. This was a dig at the simplistic
notions of some intellectuals who look at complex issues, examining issues
with too much pride in their intellectual abilities.
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In a message dated 3/9/02 4:22:14 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes speaking of Palestinians killed:
The great majority of those killed were killed unlawfully when no lives were in
danger.
There were no Palestinian lives in danger in all of the places the suicide
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Those promoting Socialism are just going about their desire to lower the
standard of living here in the US so everyone around the world can be equal.
Can anyone spell out what was the government's role in destroying the steel
industry in this country and transporting it to other
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In a message dated 02-02-25 15:13:31 EST, you write:
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Recently when I posted the first of a three part series by Lee Penn
([EMAIL PROTECTED]), I suggested that people who wanted further information
contact him to receive parts two and three. When I learned how very, very
few had done this, I was disappointed but not surprised.
In a message dated 2/24/02 3:40:59 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And yes... environmentalism in some form WILL be the
idea
and primary cause of the extinction of Capitalism
Environmentalism is the tar holding together the wall of global government being built around us.
In a message dated 2/17/02 1:56:40 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do not deny the reality – but it is ok to alter the SYMBOLISM to express more fully what you are memorializing.
What is becoming memorialized is that the issue of race is more important than what was done by
In a message dated 2/19/02 9:46:32 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What is being symbolized is that race is NOT important, that it wasn’t just white guys saving white guys from dying – but that heroic Americans put their lives on the line to help anyone who needed it at that
Just one of many New Age changes taking placeZuukie1
Subj: The Emergence of Neo-Paganism in the Episcopal Church, USA
From: LeePenn
The following story - about the emergence
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Right now I am at a loss. I cannot view any website's at the present moment.
If I may, could someone within the group email me the total number of pages
and or the table of contents of the following pages 101-200-?...
I greatly appriciate any help.
Thanks in advance,
Dante
A
Lee Penn has done an excellent job in bringing to public attention what is occurring behind the scenes with regard to the ecumenical movement. As Mortimer Adler wrote, we cannot have a one world government without a one world religion. Conspiracy theorists would like to present everything as a
In a message dated 1/27/02 5:01:15 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You're absolutely right. Any man who has sex with anyone is not fit to rule.
We need a group similar to the Grand Castrati who will become our leaders.
As soon as we have men without a sex urge, this nation
In a message dated 1/27/02 3:52:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Long Live Odin! - The Allfather - The Aryan Christ of the Second Coming.
http://i.am/Grom
After a long diatribe against Israel, this was at the end of the message. Those who follow the Jewish religion will
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Hannah Newman, author of the Rainbow Swastika, which appears on many sites on
the internet, has written an excellently researched piece on a series of very
popular books. Many believe that Lucis Trust has very little power and so
there is no need to be concerned about its
http://www.scp-inc.org/publications/journals/J2402/DarkApocalypse.htm
Dark Apocalypse:
Blood Lust of the Compassionate
By Lee Penn
The prophets of Theosophy and the New Age movement promise a glorious future very soon for all mankind. Since 1875, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Alice A. Bailey, David
As the title of the article indicates, New Age is not just self-indulgent silliness. This is a rather long article, but one cannot understand the network at work without learning the names and organizations involved.
Granted most people reading this site feel they have a good overview of what is
This is the first of the articles I'm sending. We have been told over and over again that all religions lead to the same God...(but that sure is stretching how the religions describe their beyond) . That all religious paths are equally valid...(but United Religions certainly aims to strip
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Over the next week or so, I will be sending a series of articles written by
Lee Penn on the New Age movement and United Religions. He has documented
this material extremely well.
During the last thirty years we have seen many changes in the moral character
of our American
He's no more tied to neo-nazis than you are...this is CLASSIC disinfo from the Zionist lobby, and utterly absurd. You ought to know better, but then again you probably do.
Bill.
Pity you don't know how to use google. Here are just a few sources of information on Icke. I disagree that Icke can
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OsabaYou really should thank the Jews for keeping information about the
events of WWII alive. Any group who lost people could have done the same,
but they let history slide by. Now that the Plan which Hitler and company
based their efforts on is being brought to the surface
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Well, of course. Zionism is a liberation movement for Jews. Who would
consider it otherwise. It was the Jews who were being persecuted and
forced into a Pale of Settlement. That is exactly what it is, a Jewish
Liberation Movement.
TheGolem
http://pnews.org/
A
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Regarding Davie Icke...it is not true that those who describe the same enemy
as you see are on the same side as you are. Icke gets individuals to
identify with him by giving some truths but adding his slant.
Let's say you are a newbie to conspiracy theory. You see
In a message dated 1/1/02 12:52:30 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wake up
You've been so decieved that you're clueless!!
Bill.
Throw a stone into a pack and the one who gets hit yelps.
Icke is classic disinformation. Smooth as a pebble. He slides from side to
In a message dated 1/1/02 1:31:19 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"New Age insider"..."pits of hell"...hmmm...Those sound like Xian true-believer buzzwords/catch-phrases if ever I've heard them.
Sorry guy. He's tied in with the neo-Nazi fascists. I'm Jewish and I don't
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What New World Order? Wasn't it only yesterday that we were told it was just
a phrase and didn't mean anything?
This is a wonderful wake-up piece for any newbie conspiracy theory followers.
While many of us shake in out boots trying to find out what is being done to
us lately,
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Hank at PNews responds to Mark Bilk.
The Forum holds that the United States has vital interests in the region;
in particular, it believes in strong ties with Israel, Turkey, and other
democracies as they emerge; works for human rights throughout the region;
seeks a stable
In a message dated 12/28/01 12:39:02 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the last week or so there have suddenly appeared in
misc.activism.progressive numerous propaganda articles
for Israel and Zionism from the "PNEWS" list run by
Hank Roth ("the golem"). This material is the
In a message dated 12/27/01 7:23:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sounds like the formula used by religions to brainwash the sheeple.
Sounds like the response of a disinformation specialist.
See # 4 of Twenty-Five Rules of
Disinformation
1. Hear no evil, see no evil,
In a message dated 12/27/01 7:55:05 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lest anyone think this to be an attack on Christianity, Islam, Wicca or any
other religion, I will point out that science, government, logic and
anything else humans think they can be sure of, are every bit
In a message dated 12/27/01 8:31:16 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't have a theory, only observations; as for belief, while I know I
fail, I try to believe nothing. Instead I put my "faith" in experience and
observation, which hopefully renders one less susceptible to
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Brave womennot!!! They should lie down in front of Arafat's headquarters
instead of meeting with him. When one of them was hit with a sniper's bullet
or got brain damage from thrown rocks, or may be if the little bus they
travel in was blown up, then they would understand
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In the article the Cult Awareness Network is referenced. Please be aware
that as a result of a series of legal attacks against that organization by
Scientologists, that organization is now owned by Scientology advocates thru
a bankruptcy sale. Anyone calling that organization
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The comment on Cult Awareness Network was not in any way meant as a criticism
of the article. It was only advice to those who would be presently looking
for information on cults and might think the original CAN was still active.
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June, thanks for the background information on the separation of
celebrations. No doubt that Winter Holidays are extremely enjoyable. The
only difference between then and now is that the heavy hand of mass
communication has already relegated the religious component to the
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Even given that the details you give may be correct June though, the fact
that there is a time similarity between a solstice celebration and Christmas
doesn't mean that there has been no history of Christmas celebrations over
the last 2,000 years. The holiday was kept alive by
In a message dated 12/19/01 4:22:17 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
is a ridiculous arrogant statement to make. the celebration of the turn
of winter works on a very basic, instinctive level. it is a festival that
has reason to be always there. religions of all kinds will
In a message dated 12/19/01 4:56:25 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A festival formed at a basic instinctive level. Just how do you celebrate that in your home? And with what community do you share this festival?
the cause for celebration is at a basic instinctive level.
June,
I dislike being put in the position of defending Christian history, but I've learned that charming but simplistic understandings of the culture of others is foolish. I would suggest you go to the Catholic Encyclopedia to learn Catholic history. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm
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Many years ago when there was broadcasting from the Soviet Union that was
beamed out of Cuba and could be heard on an am station, I heard how Winter
Holidays were celebrated in the Soviet Union. It seems everything was the
same as here except there was no religious component.
The following is being posted for those who have been following the political aspects of the New Age movement.
Constance Cumbey, a Detroit lawyer, has been following the activities of Javier Solana for the past six years. She recently sent out the following, which I am posting with her
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While everyone on this site is discussing the big issues, the small, affect
you personally issues may be being ignored. Futile care decisions will
override any advance directive you may sign, leaving your life and the life
of your family members and friends in the hands of
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Saba, has this site's content moved from Conspiracy Theory Research List to
Love Advice to the Masses? Should we all start sending in our pics and bios?
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is a test.
Most strange. I'm not having any problems, let me know if you don't get this
post.
I'm puzzled. How would anyone know if they didn't get a post?
This post is based on recent personal experience along the warning given in the President's Report from a recent issue of the Illinois Right to Life Committee newsletter.
While most people are still focused on an "Advance Directive" in medical care which they have been convinced will only
As I sit calmly looking out the window at trees in sunshine, I read this and realize we really are at war. The people in the media keep talking about a second wave of attacks coming. I have no idea if I will remember these ideas in a panic when I would need to remember them. Maybe they can help
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Terror on Bus (possible hijacking) Developing
AP National Headlines and CNN Headline News at 4:44 am PTD reporting
Greyhound Bus crash with up to 6 dead and 33 injured. Driver is reported to
have had his throat slit by passenger. Both are dead. Survivors have been
taken to
First of all a thank you those who post articles to this site. These articles help all of us make sense of the world around us. Trying to synthesize information from the generally accepted news sources, information from alternative news sources which may be accurate and alternative news sources
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Information Weapons
Paul and others on the list ... I just now found this piece, posted in a
newsgroup. Our technology is leaping so fast ahead now, that I suspect we all
are getting many steps behind in keeping up with our sense of 'what is
possible.' R
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A must reading and most important primer on media mind control, is Wilson
Bryan Key's: The Age of Manipulation: The Con in confidence, the Sin in
Sincere - 93. Also, of course, consult the late Jim Keith's Mass Control:
Engineering Human Consciousness - 99. These are both
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In way of response ... report posted on www.drudgereport.com earlier this
morning. Just adding as info to this concern. R 09/18/01
-...On possible suitcase n. weapons lurking in
the background of the 911 attacks and influencing Bush's response and
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FYI The local NBC broadcasting station in Seattle (KING) during today's
early morning news, briefly announced that the local country health
department serving the greater Seattle area, wanted anyone suspecting
exposure to chemical or biological attack to immediately contact
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Operation B.S.
How about, Operation Blind Sweep? It fits this world wide faith-based
witch-hunt-down/crusade/cleansing, blind rage propelled folly, that it is.
And isn't.
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Isn't this an older story? What is the source and date for this info, Bill?
Thanks.
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Two points regarding the NEA dropping the homosexuality resolution.
Stereotypes of the physical characteristics of homosexuals only damage the
argument. Homosexuals come in all shapes, sizes and levels of
attractiveness. Unfortunately because of the aggresiveness of the homosexual
community
Here in Chicago it went down to $1.28 at the cheapest stations but in the
last two days it jumped to $1.50 again.
Just happened. No big stories about it that I saw.
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writes:
The belief that embryos are human beings is a religious belief. You are
entitled to you're religious beliefs, all of them. You are NOT entitled
to use the armed might of the state to force
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In a message dated 6/27/01 11:04:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
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I'm certain you wouldn't sleep either, that security blanket is too precious
to you and freethought is really for adults only...
Bill.
A security blanket is the comforting thought
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That disturbing little event in PA where the police stopped the ingoing
campers...could that have been a Pete Peters camp meeting by any chance?
From their newsletters one would think that these nasty little antisemites
are communing with nature and were only looking forward to
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Ouch. Busted by a superstitionist who doesn't know basic bilogy. Ouch!
J2
Glad you recognize it doesn't take much to bust a fool such as yourself. Now
go post some big thoughts and you'll feel better in a few hours.
Zuukie1
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If AOL were the only Internet provider I would NOT be on the net.
They are REALLY a ratty company:
I use AOL because I wanted to post on one of their boards. Their support
system is spotty. Some techs are very, very helpful. Others only know the
magic words You need to
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In a message dated 6/25/01 11:52:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
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OK then. Well that didn't take long to degenerate into drivel.
I don't think you've convinced anybody that you have a clue.
But have a nice day anyway.
Drivel appeared the first time
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In a message dated 6/25/01 2:20:35 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
My old debate coach, back in high school, taught us that when oneâs
opponent engages in an ad hominem attack it means they are out of ammo,
out of brains, or (in most cases) both. Which
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Gee, when will you get to the part that says they aren't human because they
don't have blond hair and blue eyes and speak German? Or maybe they aren't
human if they aren't productive? Or maybe they aren't human if the skin
color and religions are wrong? Oh no, of course you
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J2,
Your arrogance matches that of those in the SS and your ignorance matches
that of any who will not learn from studying history. Do read a few books
dealing with the history of the early eugenics movement, note how these
positions coincided with the Darwinian view of
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Thanks for an excellent post Kris, although it will take some time to work
thru the links. I, too, am very leery about Bush, particularly after reading
Inside the League. People like J2 won't let facts get in the way of cliches
however when it comes to population control.
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and your ignorance matches
that of any who will not learn from studying history.
J2: You mean I have to study history, but you don't have to know shit about
biology? That seems unfair.
I does seem to bother you that I studied biology before it was taught by
Humpty Dumpty
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