[CTRL] Anglo say Bye Bye to South Africa
-Caveat Lector- Just a short note to commemorate the fact that the wheel has turned full circle. Anglo american, the group that was founded by cecil John Rhodes(not quite but almost) has now relocated its offices to London after a century in South Africa. They claim that they are not deserting the country, and that they need to leave because of globalisation(not true- america is just an email away) and that the cost of capital is almost double in South africa than it is in the developed world(true). But leaving they are and they will no loger have the countries future quite at heart as their pesonal future is no longer at stake. (If the south africans ever feel lonely there are about 60 000 expats now in the UK and in any case Londons younger population in now more than 50% of non european origin so it even looks more and more like SA). Thet arrive strangley just in time to miss the election in the country and to attend the bilderberger meeting in portugal. Also on the news last week was that report by the Royal Institute of international affairs(nice coincidence) that SA will not succeed and will stagnate or go backwards(now we know the plot for the country) So we say fare well to one of the old conspiracies and continue with the new. John PS apologies I got my mixed up Gordon was killed in what is now the Sudan. The war there between the Arab north and the black (christian) south has cost between 1-2million (mostly black) lives but that genocide is politically correct and not photogenic. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anglo say Bye Bye to South Africa
-Caveat Lector- Well, Johnit is that I always liked Charleton Heston Bye By South Africa, means deep trouble for guys like Champagne Charlie, Princess Diana's brother does it not? Perhaps they have enough industrial diamonds in their pockets to last a few hundred years; also love that "secret" meeting of the Bilderbergers..I do not believe his Holiness, the Pope, would go near that spot. Where did the Pentagon get all those industrial diamonds they were trying to sell.bet they got a lot of green green grass for sale there too. Colleen PS: I hated it when El Cid got killed toohere again, Charleton Heston.now if that guy ever got into politics and ran for office - well, what a track record from Moses, to El Cid, to Gordonexcept they were all killed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay. 1/2
-Caveat Lector-
Gavin Phillips wrote:
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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to
read
the
hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns
out
to
be a statist.
I'm done with this subject for now in light of a REALLY dangerous
situation in
Europe. But I will reply briefly. I am far less concerned with what
your
Libertarian fears are about the state and guns, than you are.
The government will take care of us, right Nurev? Let the
government murderers and cowards of the FBI and ATF have the guns. They
did
such a great job at Ruby Ridge, Waco, the World Trade Bombing, and the
OKC
bombing plus the tens of thousands of other illegal activities these
90's
gestapo have perpetrated in the last few years (civil asset
forfeiture). Yes
that's right nurev, we will feel so much safer when they are the only
ones
to
have guns. We will then only have government orchestrated mass murder
and
subjugation.
I am NOT required to take your paranoid foolishness seriously.
Gavin;
When the government tortures, gases, shoots and incinerates some 80 kids,
woman and men for absolutely no reason. Paranoid foolishness?
Yes.
Law enforcement shoots a 14 year old in the back and his nursing mother
in
the face, killing them both. Paranoid foolishess?
Yes.
FBI instruct their undecover agent, Elam A. Salem in the New York World
Trade
Center Bombing, not to switch a harmless powder for the bomb and it blows
up.
They then pay him (bribe?) a million dollars for his testimony against
the
supposed bombers. Paranoid foolishness?
Yes.
An ATF agent at the scene in the OKC bombing told Bruce Shaw that there
were
no ATF in the building at the time of the explosions, they were paged and
told not to go to work that day. Shaws employer overheard this
conversation.
The government is lieing about every aspect of this incident-period.
Paranoid
foolishness?
Yes.
Nurev, you are either incurably ignorant as to the facts in the above
cases,
or worse, you do not care, or the mountain of evidence proving massive
government malfeasence is inconvenient to your argument so you ignore it.
I'm not doubting government malfeasance. I'm doubting your judgment.
Not all these pet paranoias are facts either. The reason I answered yes to
all
your your examples of paranoid foolishness is because they have nothing to
do with YOU.
Yes they are facts. You can deny them till you're blue in the face.Ask
Charles Key about OKC, if you can be bothered. Bu then again, if what he says
doesn't fit your dogma you'll dismiss it just like everything else that is
contrary to your mindset. You are so simple minded that you think that those
incidents do not
effect me or others? Are you that stupid? Do you think Waco hasn't greatly
exacerbated people's fears about the government? They have everything to do
with me when the government kills people because maybe I am next. That is
not paranoid delusions, that is facing facts.
But then that is alright with you, isn't it? You have the gall
to advocate taking guns away from American citizens and only giving
government agancies the right to have guns. A government completely
corrupted
from the top down. Your hero, rapist, murderer and one of the most
thorough
going bastards to ever desecrate the White House, Bill Clinton is to be
trustes with this power. You believe it is better to have Bill in
charge of
government agencies who are armed against an unarmed populace?
I think that my position on Government and Clinton is quite clear by
now. But I don't trust you armed even more than I don't trust the
Government armed. That's because
you are a " true believer " with a gun and seemingly nuts to boot. I,
and apparently
very many of your fellow citizens don't trust you with weapons. How
about that?
Gavin;
I am not a "true believer" in anything except religious matters.
I hoped this was a joke but it's not. The term " true believer," is
rooted
in religion. It means that you are blinded by your belief system.
Gavin;
Au contrair, what about your Darwinian evolution religious belief system?
Stop making
assumptions. I have never shot or owned a gun in my life.
Well I have, and still do.
(except an air gun
when I was 12. Really powerful, you could see the pellet coming out of
the
barrel). Do us all a favor, and cut down on the purile name calling, it
doesn't strengthen your argument. ("and seemingly nuts to boot")
It's not to strengthen my argument, it's to express my feelings.
It seems that you Nurev are starting to become a "true believer" in the
government's/mainstream media's propaganda swill about why Americans
should
be disarmed.
I'll say it again. It's not that the
Re: [CTRL] anyone care Hispanics invading America??
-Caveat Lector- Three NAFTA news items. Can you say "open borders"? And "cheap labor"? Texas bill would send billions to border projects By Harihar Krishnan DALLAS, May 12 (Reuters) - Texas lawmakers could decide as early as this week the fate of a plan to spend billions of dollars on infrastructure improvements along the Mexico border, partly in response to a NAFTA-inspired trade surge. The bill, which would leverage federal highway funds through bond sales, has already cleared the state Senate but its fate in a House committee is less certain. Key lawmakers said this week that if the Transportation Committee fails to act by Friday the measure would die and could not be taken up for another two years, when the legislature convenes for its next session. The bill seeks to take advantage of a new federal program that allows states to borrow against future federal highway funds using a new type of security known as Garvees, or grant anticipation revenue vehicles. But Texas and several other states face a major obstacle in taking advantage of the federal program -- state constitutions that permit financing of highway bonds only on a pay-as-you-go basis, using fuels taxes and revenues derived from vehicles registration. Some experts said a constitutional amendment may therefore be needed if Texas plans to proceed with a Garvee bond deal. The bill approved by the Senate already includes provisions for such an amendment. State Sen. Eliot Shapleigh, a Democrat from El Paso and a major supporter of the bill, said new highway construction is desperately needed to meet demands arising from the growth of trade across the border, which he said was sparked by the North American Free Trade Agreement. "Texas is 10 years behind on NAFTA readiness," Shapleigh said. "Eighty-five percent of NAFTA surface traffic moves through Texas border ports and we need new projects to improve the efficiency of these ports." The Senator said the Garvee bonds would accelerate construction of NAFTA-related projects and help save as much as five to seven percent in future construction costs by making the money available immediately. However, at a recent public hearing held by the House Transportation Committee, leaders of the state Highway Commission said the agency is not in favor of the Senate-approved bill because it only targets the border area. Commission officials said they were not opposed to using Garvee bonds, but said the final legislation should include projects throughout the state. Some trade groups also oppose the measure, saying building highway projects with Garvee bonds would be more expensive in the long run because of the additional cost of bond interest. Supporters of the bill were encouraged by a similar program in neighboring New Mexico, which was one of the first states to take advantage of the new federal highway program. New Mexico plans to spend $295 million to widen a 121-mile long stretch of highway connecting Albuquerque and Farmington. In Texas, the bill has received strong support from the state's new and popular Comptroller, Carole Keeton Rylander, who said international trade is vital to Texas' economy, with exports accounting for 14 percent of Texas' gross state product, up from six percent in 1985. She said Mexico was the state's most important trading partner, buying more than 40 percent of its exports. Figures provided by Rylander's office show $82 billion worth of goods crossed the Texas-Mexico border in 1997, or more than $1.5 billion per week. "This rapid expansion in trade has significantly strained our roads," Rylander said. "Bridges and highways along the border are choke points for Texas trade. Our seriously clogged roadways are threatening the continued expansion of our state's trade and future economic viability." Rylander praised the passage of the bill in the state Senate but noted, "Unfortunately, the fruit of this bipartisan effort is being challenged by a selective few who are attempting to influence key decision makers in the Texas House of Representatives." Rylander said the existing highway spending equation allocates an average of $109 a year per resident in highway maintenance and construction but channels only $83 per capita to the border areas. "Garvee bonds are an ideal way of dealing with an emergency, not unlike the bonded prison construction program the legislature authorized several years ago when Texas was in critical need of new prisons," Rylander said. "The bonds, with current low interest rates, would give us the infrastructure funds that we need to build quickly and at a relatively low cost." Rylander said Garvee bonds would account for a small fraction of Texas' total highway spending, would not count against the state's debt limit, and would not tap general fund revenues Mexico's Fox Wants Common Market, Open Border With US: Forum Washington, May 21 (Bloomberg) -- The leading contender in Mexico's presidential election next year said
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- Not at all. Violence is failure. The only justification for violence iself defense. Real self defense not your paranoid fantasies of a future that may or may not happen. Gavin; That's right. Violene is failure. Unfortunately it will never be erradicated, especially with the likes of the ATF, FBI and other government gestapo harrassing and murdering Americans. Real self defence? What is your definition of real self defence. No knock warrants, government agencies trashing your house looking for drugs or guns which they cannot find because they were never there in the first place. Government seizing your house, car, other belongings because they found some marijuana. Bad...bad government. According to the future that you seem to relish Nurev is a total gun ban Yes that's right. And voluntary compliance from law abiding citizens. It doesn't need to be permanent either. But I want to see what happens when guns are out of the equation. And it looks like we'll soon find out. Gavin; How soon do you think? and the government sending in the military on house to house searches in order to get them, (because that is the only way they will get them)and the massive social upheaval and body count that that will entail. Things will be far more peacful then, right Nurev? No not then, after then. Gavin; After the carnage, and a country more divided than it has ever been. Oh, now I get it. There I go with my predictions again. I just wonder how many others on the list agree with my predictions as opposed to yours; of a kinder, gentler America, disarmed. There will be civil war the likes of which we have never seen. Far fewer gun related deaths? I don't think so. There you go with your apocalyptic visions again. Most of you big talkers will give up your guns like pussycats. Some will fight it out. It's just natures way of improving the gene pool. Gavin; There you go bringing your Darwinian religion into it again. Isn't it great to have the crutch and faith of Darwinian evolution to give you all the answers. Makes things far less complicated. snip Those kids should NOT have been able to get guns. Then it is irrelevant that the police are useless. Gavin; First of all they were not kids. They were young men who had the wherewithal to construct their own bombs. How difficult do you think it would have been for them to get guns on the black market after your supposed gun ban? I don't know and neither do you. What we do know is that they had no trouble at all getting the guns they did. Gavin; Nice tautology. Of course we know that they got them. You say it's impossible to predict our future after a gun ban. I say there are certain things we can logically expect, and a large black market is one of them. You deny it because it ruins your argument. snip "An unarmed people are slaves, or subject to slavery at any time." -- Malcolm X So what's you point gun looney? Blacks have guns. Plenty of guns. Are they defending themselves from the government? From cops? Hell no. they are killing each other in droves. Same for hispanics, and Asians in certain areas. The immediate problem is access to guns. Not a Government too busy helping Wall Street rob the world. Gavin; As I said before, banning guns will do little if anything to decrease the gang bangers and drug dealers from killing each other. The vast majority of them already have criminal records and cannot obtain guns legally, but that doesn't stop them, and it will not stop them if there is a gun ban. You don't KNOW that, and I want to find out for mysel I am telling you that your philosophy will end in violence. And I'm telling you that YOUR philosophy will end in slavery. And it is better to live as a slave, than to die as a gun nut. Slaves get free sooner or later.If you don't agree with my statement, then put your pistol where your mouth is. Show me how dedicated you really are to the 2nd A. When the ATF comes for your piece, tell them " over my dead body." Prove Darwin right. Gavin; Wrong again. It is better to die fighting for freedom than live as a slave. Good I'm glad you take that position. It proves that if your brain is defective you are not likely to pass it on to another generation. Love that Darwin. Gavin; Darwin really is a god to you isn't he? He's the answer to all your dreams, anybody who gets killed by the government can be blamed on Darwinian evolution and "survival of the fittest." You don't have to take responsibility for anything as long as you can blame it all on the greatest culler of all time, according to you, Darwinian evolution. I take it you would live as a slave, and wait for better men than you to free you. You think you're the smart one, the survivor, right? Slaves only gain their freedom by fighting for it or because others fought
[CTRL] Flurry of China /N.Korea/ US Diplomatic Activity
-Caveat Lector- North Korea Official To Visit China By CHARLES HUTZLER .c The Associated Press BEIJING (AP) -- North Korea's No. 2 leader will travel to China next week for the highest level visit since Beijing angered its once-close communist ally by opening relations with rival South Korea seven years ago, diplomats said Monday. Kim Yong Nam, head of North Korea's Supreme People's Assembly and second in the ruling Workers' Party only to reclusive leader Kim Jong Il, is expected to bring a large delegation to Beijing for three days starting June 3, the Asian and Western diplomats said on condition of anonymity. China's Foreign Ministry confirmed that Kim would be coming, but would not divulge the dates. It customarily announces the visits of foreign dignitaries only a week before their arrival. Kim's trip follows months of negotiations between Chinese and North Korean officials to arrange an important visit that would symbolize improving relations. Much of that work was geared to getting Kim Jong Il to come to Beijing. But North Korean officials changed tack in the last two months and offered Kim Yong Nam as a substitute, the diplomats said. Diplomats have speculated that with North Korea ruined by four years of famine and the collapse of its centrally planned economy, Kim may also be worried about being ousted by disaffected members of the party and military while abroad. Traveling with him will almost certainly be Foreign Minister Paek Nam Sun, while senior military and foreign trade officials are likely to be included as well, the diplomats said. Perry's N.Korea visit seen key to Asia security By Teruaki Ueno TOKYO, May 25 (Reuters) - U.S. presidential envoy William Perry flew to reclusive North Korea on Tuesday for a landmark three-day visit at a crucial time for a Northeast Asia distressed by growing security concerns. Perry, the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit the Stalinist state since the 1950-53 Korean War, plans to complete his review of U.S. policy towards unpredictable Pyongyang after meeting with North Korean leaders. U.S. embassy officials in Tokyo said Perry, accompanied by State Department counsellor Wendy Sherman, left a U.S. air base in the Tokyo suburbs by a military plane. U.S. officials and politicians have travelled to Pyongyang using military planes in the past. Perry's trip followed meetings in Tokyo with Japanese and South Korean officials to fine-tune their policies on Pyongyang. Washington decided to rewrite its North Korea policy last December as Pyongyang continued to pose military threats by adamantly refusing to abandon its missile programme and clear up allegations that it may be reviving its nuclear weapons ambitions. The centrepiece in the relationship with the United States is a 1994 landmark nuclear deal under which North Korea agreed to freeze its nuclear programmes in return for help with safe nuclear power plants and free supplies of oil. But Pyongyang angered Washington by developing long-range ballistic missiles, selling missiles and missile technology abroad and embarking on underground building work which the United States says could be part of a nuclear programme. The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency ranks North Korea as the world's biggest exporter of ballistic missiles, and defence analysts say Pakistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria are among the nations receiving them. Perry, a former defence secretary, has said he was crafting a ``comprehensive'' approach towards North Korea. But Korea watchers believe the U.S. package may comprise more stick than carrot. Korea watchers in Tokyo say the key question is whether North Korea will accept the new U.S. policy and allay international concerns over its military threat. Analysts say a possible rejection by Pyongyang of the U.S. policy could sharply raise military tensions in the region and even spark a military conflict between North Korea and the United States backed by its Asian allies. In a joint statement after a meeting on Monday in Tokyo, the United States, Japan and South Korea said their approach towards North Korea should be closely coordinated and urged Pyongyang to ``clearly'' understand their respective and collective views. Perry has said Washington, Seoul and Tokyo would need to act together to protect themselves against the unpredictable Stalinist regime. In an apparent effort to avert a possible military crisis, Perry hopes for a meeting with Kim Jong-il, which would make him the first U.S. official to meet the North Korean leader since he took over from his late father Kim Il-sung in 1994. In what analysts see as primarily a response to the potential North Korean threat, the United States and Japan have forged their strongest-ever military alliance and moved closer to jointly developing a multi-billion-dollar missile defence system. In the latest development, Japan's parliament on Monday enacted controversial legislation aimed at strengthening defence ties with the United
[CTRL] Fwd: 60 Minutes Transcript re: Y2K
Subj: 60 Minutes Transcript Date: 99-05-24 23:31:39 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Toews) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [This is not an official transcipt. Tony] http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000rkQ (From here on, this is a word-for-word transcript) "...the Year 2000 Computer Glitch, a lot of people still thought it was a joke; a lot of hype to make people go out and buy new software. Today, no one is laughing, least of all, the corporations and public entities that have spent an estimated 200 billion dollars trying to fix the problem. Everyone agrees that enormous progress has been made, that the computer glitch is not going to mean the end of civilization as we know it. Now, the federal government is comparing Y2k to a huge natural disaster, like an earthquake, a hurricane or a tornado that disrupts people's lives for days, weeks or maybe even months. The people who seem to be the least prepared are local governments, and you may find that the computer bug hits hardest on the street where you live." KROFT NARRATION: "Local governments all across the country have become dependent on computers and microprocessors to deliver services. They open the valves at the waterworks, and handle 911 emergency calls, they send out the tax bills, and print the welfare checks. They make the traffic lights turn red and green, and all of those systems are potentially vulnerable to the Y2k computer bug." (TRANSITION FROM KROFT NARRATION TO KROFT ON-CAMERA IN FIELD WITH WASHINGTON LANDMARK IN BACKGROUND) KROFT: "And no city is more vulnerable than Washington, D.C. The Federal Government's General Accounting Office has warned Congress that the Y2k situation is so bad here, that the nation's Capitol may be unable to effectively insure public safety, collect revenue, educate students or provide health care services." (TRANSITION FROM KROFT ON-CAMERA TO KROFT NARRATION) KROFT: "No one is more aware of those problems than Mary Ellen Hanley (sp), a top computer systems specialist who was hired by the District of Columbia, to try and fix them. But when she took over last year, as Washington's Year 2000 Program Manager, she quickly discovered that there was no program, and not much management." (INTERVIEW WITH HANLEY) KROFT: "It sounds like you expected the worst." HANLEY: "I expected the worst." KROFT NARRATION: "And she wasn't disappointed. 'Turns out, no one even had a complete list of the departments and offices that make up Washington's local government, let alone a list of the computers and software they use. She quickly realized there was simply not enough time to make all the computers Y2k compliant. (INTERVIEW WITH HANLEY) KROFT: "You had no illusions that you could fix all of the problems by the year 2000?" HANLEY: "Never. Never." KROFT: "All of the critical systems?" HANLEY: "We hope all of the critical systems, but we knew we would never fix all of the systems of all of those 68 district agencies. No time." KROFT: "Correct me if I'm wrong..." HANLEY: "O.K." KROFT: "You're so far behind, the only way to deal with the problem is to try and set up contingency plans, assuming things don't work." HANLEY: "Contingency is prudent. It's a prudent methodology. " KROFT NARRATION: "In most cases those contingency plans involve something called manual work-arounds, which is exactly what it sounds like: going back and doing things by hand, the way they were done before computers. When we spoke, her office has just finished a plan for the Office of Tax and Revenue. (INTERVIEW WITH HANLEY) HANLEY: "We're going after contingency in a way that will be very basic. Say, if it had to be manual, we would have to develop a way to do that." KROFT: "Pen, pencil and carbon paper?" HANLEY: "Perhaps setting up centers around the city where people would come, print out everything before January 1st, have it in place so that we can deal with it, uh, be able to set up centers where people can come, find out and check and verify taxes." KROFT NARRATION: "For some welfare related programs, the kind Hanley describes as getting checks out so kids can get fed, the contingency plans are as simple as hiring a hall, renting tables and chairs, and drafting a few hundred city workers from one department to write checks or keep records so that another more critical department can be up and running." (INTERVIEW WITH HANLEY) KROFT: "Obviously, if you have a lot of failures, you're not going to have enough people." HANLEY: "Could happen." KROFT: "In the testing process, have you had failures?" HANLEY: "Uh, we have had, uh, some failures. Uh, principally in the area of the District's payroll -- a subject very close to all our hearts who work here in the District -- uh, we had a failure date of December 18th, we were able to uh, find it, we were able to fix it and test it and return it to production. We had a..." KROFT: "How long did
[CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez
-Caveat Lector- "According to the sources, the directive was approved by the Politburo on July 2, 1992 -- a year into U.S. President Bill Clinton's first term ..." China's leaders ordered stepped-up espionage in 1992 WASHINGTON, May 24 (Kyodo) -- By: Paul Flatin China's top leadership in 1992 ordered its intelligence forces to increase espionage and counterespionage efforts, apparently targeting the United States for economic, science and technology information which could directly help build China's economy, informed sources said Monday. The disclosure was made on the eve of the public release of a U.S. congressional report on alleged Chinese spying in the U.S. In a 12-page directive, China's Communist Party Politburo ordered its intelligence agencies to ''intensify overseas intelligence work in order to provide the party and the state with high-quality information.'' The directive, a copy of which was obtained by Kyodo News, does not name any particular country as the target of the espionage. But the sources who provided Kyodo News with the document said the target is naturally the U.S. because it is the sole superpower following the collapse of the Cold War structure, and the country with the greatest pool of high technology. A U.S. congressional committee is currently investigating China's alleged theft of U.S. military secrets -- including long-range missile technology and data on advanced nuclear warheads -- over the past two decades. The committee is set to release a 700-page report Tuesday. Last week, Congressman Chris Cox, who is heading a team to compile the report, implied that his investigation had uncovered similar official Chinese documents indicating Beijing's policy on intelligence. ''We know about top government directives in these areas and discovered that there were some overall plans by the Communist Party Politburo directing the acquisition of military technology,'' the California Republican told Kyodo News. The directive also includes strengthening China's counterespionage effort against foreign spies inside China in order to ''turn over and infiltrate the sedition movement, leading to the timely destruction of the enemy's conspiracy.'' According to the sources, the directive was approved by the Politburo on July 2, 1992 -- more than a year into U.S. President Bill Clinton's first term, and three years after Jiang Zemin took over as general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party. It was distributed to senior party and military officials in September of the same year, the sources said. James Lilley, who was U.S. ambassador to China under the administration of President George Bush, said the directive is very consistent with the Chinese leadership's goals at that time. ''I think they had a long-term program of doing this, and that they reinforced it in 1992...I'm surprised they even classified it,'' Lilley told Kyodo News. Lilley, who now serves as a political analyst for the American Enterprise Institute, said that following the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown on pro-democracy activists, the Communist Party Politburo was particularly paranoid about ''counterrevolutionary'' forces from Hong Kong and Taiwan. ''I think they were somewhat shattered by Tiananmen (and) morale wasn't particularly good,'' Lilley said. ''They had to give people a jump-start -- get them interested in going overseas and working on targets and stopping subversion of China.'' Last week, Cox told reporters that despite widespread leaks to the media about his committee's investigation, the final report contains much ''fresh reading'' that details an extensive, on-going effort by Beijing to acquire advanced U.S. technology over the past two decades. ''The PRC (Peoples' Republic of China) efforts are constant and their gains are constantly incremental,'' Cox said. ''Every once in awhile, there is an espionage coup in which (they) will obtain something from inside the U.S.'' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] The last Straw
-Caveat Lector- UK Home Office Minister Jack Straw today introduced an insipid freedom of information Bill to the nation. It gives free reign to all government departments and further protects the unaccountable security service from difficult questions like - how much dope did they supply last year. The worried consumer and tax payer may not be reassured to know that the Bill is not worth the paper it is printed on. The Bill supplies a clear mandate to a Totalitarian regime and further tightens the screws in Death Star UK - the police Fortress. Andrew Hennessey Transformation Studies Group Edinburgh Scotland DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Italian Gov't Reacts to Terrorist Threat
-Caveat Lector- Italy to Speed Up Secret Service Reform on Terrorism Fears Rome, May 24 (Bloomberg) -- The Italian government is expected to pass a law on Friday to reform the country's secret services, in an attempt to make them more efficient after the killing of a government adviser last week raised concern over a possible resurgence of terrorism in Italy, newspaper Corriere della Sera reported. There have been unsuccessful attempts over the last four years to reform the secret services, which have been accused on several occasions of inefficiency since they were divided into two entities in 1977, Corriere said. Though a specific proposals has not yet been unveiled, the government plans to unify the service's different branches under a single director, Corriere said. Last week the Red Brigades, a terrorist group that plunged Italy into chaos two decades ago and was believed to have disappeared, claimed responsibility for assassinating Massimo D'Antona, a government adviser and architect of Italy's labor- management policies. (Corriere della Sera, 05/24, p.3) (www.corriere.it) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anglo say Bye Bye to South Africa
-Caveat Lector- yes We do have lord snob spencer as well as Margaret thatchers son. We also have gained a few Italien and nigerian drug lords, so what you lose on the swings you gain on the roundabouts. Talking of drugs, the health minister zuma ( daughter of robert sobukwe)whose great escapades include a few million for pals in the form of a play, by being unwilling to give azt to rape victims and to pregnant women,has crowned her illustrious career by removing the scheduling of drugs without having the new legislation in place. So from now until the new parliament sits sometime in august we have a libertarian paradise. No drug laws. (the government is trying to stop that happening by applying to the courts , but the court has no right to create laws so drug paradise here we come) ther is no shortage of gems and they can still make them. John PS Charlton heston has aged better than michael caine-goes to show that all that dying was good for him -Original Message- From: Colleen Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 May 1999 09:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anglo say Bye Bye to South Africa -Caveat Lector- Well, Johnit is that I always liked Charleton Heston Bye By South Africa, means deep trouble for guys like Champagne Charlie, Princess Diana's brother does it not? Perhaps they have enough industrial diamonds in their pockets to last a few hundred years; also love that "secret" meeting of the Bilderbergers..I do not believe his Holiness, the Pope, would go near that spot. Where did the Pentagon get all those industrial diamonds they were trying to sell.bet they got a lot of green green grass for sale there too. Colleen PS: I hated it when El Cid got killed toohere again, Charleton Heston.now if that guy ever got into politics and ran for office - well, what a track record from Moses, to El Cid, to Gordonexcept they were all killed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] "According to the sources, the directive was approved by the Politburo on July 2, 1992 -- a year into U.S. President Bill Clinton's first term ..." China's leaders ordered stepped-up espionage in 1992 Bill Clinton was NOT president in 1992. This report is just wrong. Clinton was elected [but not by me - I voted for Perot] in November 1992 and took office in January 1993. George Bush, the former CIA director, was US president in July 1992, and was riding high in the polls. If the Chinese *did* step-up their espionage efforts in mid- 1992, they would have anticipated dealing with a Bush administration. The Reagan-Bush administrations were, judged by the number of suc- cessful prosecutions, the most corrupt in US history, so the Chinese would have expected to find it easy to grease palms for information. Did the Chinese really steal significant nuclear secrets? If so, what are appropriate responses? Nuke China? Execute all Chinese nationals in the US, mainland and Taiwanese alike? Prosecute all the relevant officials in the Clinton, Bush and Reagan gov'ts? Oh that's right, most of the latter have already been prosecuted for corruption... Burn down Washington DC? Sew the Ellipse with salt? Ric "kill'em all, let Osiris sort'em out" Carter * no nuclear warheads were lost during production of this message * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-25 06:18:58 EDT, you write: Did the Chinese really steal significant nuclear secrets? If so, what are appropriate responses? Nuke China? Execute all Chinese nationals in the US, mainland and Taiwanese alike? Prosecute all the relevant officials in the Clinton, Bush and Reagan gov'ts? Oh that's right, most of the latter have already been prosecuted for corruption... Burn down Washington DC? Sew the Ellipse with salt? How about no more Most Favored Nation trade status. How about telling them to peddle their wares elsewhere. How about no more Red Chinese and Russians scientists (operatives) in our military research facilities. How about kicking out all Communists from this country. How about supporting Taiwan as the only free China. How about bringing to justice (for treason) all scientists, politicians and US military officials who aided the Red Chinese in obtaining secret and top secret military information. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Remarks by LT. General Griffin (Ret.)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Inhabitant of the Conquered Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoops, another Generation of "Limited" un-constituted, undeclared war being mismanaged by officers of the Public trust ensconced on the shore of the Potomac The genocidal wars waged against Native Americans by numerous US gov'ts weren't 'declared' by Congress, are thus ALL unconstitutional; thus all lands stolen from Native Americans should be returned forthwith, eh? The alternative, that we accept the validity of what's been done, means that we must accept the validity of ALL undeclared wars - ya can't have it both ways. Be consistent - if current actions are wrong and should be redressed, past actions were also wrong and should be corrected. -- From: Mark A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remark by Lt.Gen. Tom Griffin USA (ret.) in response to media question this week: "Now let's see here if I understand all this correctly. President Clinton has ordered our forces to engage an entrenched, politically motivated enemy, backed by the Russians, on their home ground, in a foreign civil war, in difficult terrain, with limited military objectives, bombing restrictions, boundary and operational restrictions, queasy allies, far across the ocean, with uncertain goals, without prior consultation with congress, the potential for escalation, while limiting the forces at his disposal, and the majority of Americans opposed to or at least uncertain about the value of the action being worth American lives. So just what was it that he was opposed to in Vietnam?" serious answer deleted WJC's objection to the VietNam conflict revolved around the same factor that I and so many others of our generation found disturbing: the possibility of having our asses shot off for no good reason. Wars are much more acceptable to more of the population if either a) there are seemingly good reasons for the conflict, or if b) one's ass isn't personally on the line. And it's easier to find reasons to fight, to rationalize the fighting, when one is overage for active military service. Need a reason to let someone else get their ass shot off? Hey, no problem... Like Phil Ochs wrote is a song: It's always the old who lead us to the wars / Always the young who fall. Put the politico-military leaders/planners on the front lines, and conflicts would end quickly, eh? Then there's the stupidity factor: You've got to be pretty dumb to allow a situation to reach a point where a fight, a war, IS seemingly necessary. There are ALWAYS ways to avoid becoming directly involved in protracted violence. So you have an intractable opponent, eh? Bribe'em. Blackmail'em. Confuse'em. Trick'em. Distract'em Bribe or trick or blackmail somebody ELSE to attack'em. Bribe, blackmail, trick their friends to abandon'em. Or befriend'em, find common ground with'em - if you can't beat'em, join'em, that sort of thing. Co-opt or corrupt or assassinate or assimilate or befuddle your opposition. Whenever you or your friends join battle, you've already lost. * no tin-horn dictators were bribed during production of this message * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] just parrot squak
-Caveat Lector- Oops! Did I say "forever"? --- Boats, Beaches, Bars Ballads long after the New World Order! CCNmail for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ccnmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 10:25 PM 5/24/99 -0700, nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guns will go because it's the easiest solution. And it's about time. Joshua2 Ummm. You really think that popular insurrection and civil war is the easiest solution. You guys take yourselves WAY to seriously. Most people would give up their guns grudgingly, but quite easily. Those that won't, well...those who live by the gun, shall die by the gun. Let's see if Charlton Heston and Wayne LaPierre (sp?)will take the first hits. Anybody want to bet money? Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Prelude to the New World Order
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:525233"Prelude to the New World Order /A - Subject: Prelude to the New World Order From: Col Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, May 23, 1999 8:00 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PRELUDE TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER * At the turn of the century an ambitious and morally degenerate group of financiers and industrialists in America fixed upon a long-range plan which would ultimately deliver control of the worlds people and resources into their hands. The basic objective was to dismantle the Constitution of the United States and erect in its place a world government covenant which the Financial/Industrial cartel would command. The F/I cabala, to achieve this objective, adopted an operational procedure of Infiltration, Subversion, and Rebellion aimed at the religious, economic, and social disciplines of the existing order. By massing their wealth and influence to secretly sponsor nihilistic doctrine, it was thought that they might capture the intellectual leadership of church and college. Domination of pulpit and professorial chair, they reasoned, would lead to mastery of the entire spiritual/educational process, the corruption of mass communication media, and the creation of a fractured rudderless society which would serve their purposes. Achieving political authority was an obvious prerequisite to success. The cartel therefore, in 1912, forced a major penetration of the United States political structure by elevating Woodrow Wilson to the Presidency. Quick to capitalize on this advantage the cabala, in the closing days of the 1913 Congress, affected passage of three legislative acts which emasculated the Constitution and established a political power base for their operations. These acts were: a. the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution b. the Seventeenth Amendment to the Constitution c. the Federal Reserve Act At one blow the cabala thus attained: a. Unlimited financing via unlimited taxation, b. Control of the Congress by eliminating State supervision of legislation, and c. Transfer of coinage from the Congress to their private bank, The Federal Reserve System. Upon this irresistible and unchallengeable base of power the cartel, in 1914, established a brain trust which was to be shaped into an instrumentality for global conquest. The organization was named THE INQUIRY and was formed around a nucleus of members drawn from THE INTERCOLLEGIATE SOCIETY, a socialist-oriented group of American intellectuals. The Inquiry, visible structure of a covert operation, immediately began recruiting and training an intellectual elite who, under the guidance of their hidden sponsors, prepared the Covenant of the League of Nations. The League of Nations was, of course, the long-sought world government covenant. When the United States Senate refused to ratify the League of Nations plan for a world government The Inquiry was reorganized and, in 1919, named THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS. (1) CFR headquarters remained in New York City, financial center of the world. Twenty-six years were to elapse before the F/I cabala, through its instrument The Council on Foreign Relations, would reach its long-range goal of world government. The propaganda climate generated during World War Two provided the opportunity and, on July 28, 1945, a refurbished League of Nations Covenant with a new title - The United Nations Charter - was ratified by a subverted U.S. Senate and the Constitution of the United States passed into history. In time an interlocking, international apparatus - an invisible government of the world - was devised. Today these affiliated bodies include the Royal Institute of International Affairs in England (which was founded concurrently with the Council on Foreign Relations during a dinner meeting in Paris in 1919), The Institute des Relations Internationales in Belgium, The Danish Foreign Policy Society, The Indian Council of World Affairs, and similar organizations in France, Italy, Yugoslavia, Greece and Turkey. Though the world government apparatus comprises holding company after holding company and proliferating agencies throughout the world, the prime corporate structure in America, and the seat of power both public and private, is The Council on Foreign Relations bolstered by vast funds in tax-exempt foundations. Within this membership are found the directors and principal agents of the financial/industrial cartel who now exercise control over the executive, legislative, and judicial agencies of the U.S. government, and who manipulate the United Nations world government covenant to enforce their command over the worlds people and resources. Having dissolved the United States of America as a sovereign nation, the
[CTRL] [Fwd: [ISO] America's Security: Sold and Stole - What next?]
We are "In Search Of" answers together. Each posting must reflect personal respect, integrity, honesty, and full disclosure of information. -- I wrote this once, then mistakenly deleted it in the process of attempting to save it. It's made me even madder now. Since 5;30 this quiet California morning I have been awake formulating much of what I will put in print to all of you ISO'ers. It ain't gonna be pretty either. What is the matter with all of you. Have you become so dumbed down, so money jaded, so devoid of consience that you are incapable of reacting to the wholesale thievery/sale of our highest national secrets to our greatest future advisary? Forget about my absolute distain and distrust for the current leadership of our nation. Forget my political views. This is not about political viewpoints. It is about the future of our children and their children. Yes, our secrets have been stolen for the past several administrations... there is no need to begin the finger pointing and blame game... there is plenty to go around this time. This is not about national politics, it is all about National Security! Why is this important? Several reasons. 1. Allowing the loss to happen is criminal period! Doing so involves negligence, greed, a lack of common sense loyalty to this country, replaced instead by a sense of corporate loyalty and political expediency. 2. Allowing the loss may have involved deceit, lying and intentional direliction of duty by some government officials. 3. Uncovering the facts are paramount to understanding what happened and how to hopefully prevent it from happening again. 4. Accountability by those involved in allowing this to occur, is most important. It must serve as a warning that this lack of attentiveness, or irresponsibility, or possibly this act of disloyalty to America will be dealt with harshly now, and in the future. 5. In order for all of the above to happen, we must happen first! That means it's time to Wake Up ISO'ers, American Citizens. Smell the manure! IT STINKS BADLY! Don't you even begin to realize the extent to which our nation has been and will continue to be harmed by the spying and selling of our national secrets on nuclear and other technology to Communist China? If you don't then SHAME! You are as direlict in your responsibility as an American Citizen as the culprits who allowed this to happen. Do you all realize that the secrets we practically handed to them over the past 12 to 14 years (most of them in the past 7) will now put our nation's future, your children's future to risk for decades to come? What the Chinese Communists have obtained will allow them not in ten years, but in a minimum of TWO years to build and deploy weapons identical to the most sophisticated instruments of mass distruction on the planet today. And on top of this, they have shown and continue to demonstrate the compunction to share this technology with all sorts of irresponsible nations and factions that help to serve China's intent to forment and influence world chaos They will also have the ability to build and deploy the people killing but building sparing Neutron Bomb, and Submarine and anti-submarine technology identical to the latest in silent sub killers we now possess and undersea missile capability married to a fully merved warhead capability that will put at risk every square mile of American soil. They also have obtained the latest lazer weapons technology that can interrupt and even destroy the most sophisticated intelligence gathering and interfere with the numerous commercial and privately owned satellites currently in use. (Heavens forbid we lose the availability to see Jerry Springer in any corner of the globe - (tongue in cheek)). People this is frightening! It scares the holy hell out of me! If they weren't going to be our advisary before, they sure as hell will be now! It's too late to cry wolf, for the wolf in sheeps clothing has made his raid and found plenty of our sentinels ready willing and able to sell out, trade out and then not watch out for the worst mass exodus of the highest of classified documents in the history of our nation. What a legacy to leave our children. What a discrace to lay upon the graves of all our forebearers who fought and died to protect our security then and now! They are screaming in rage to us, us with deaf ears and numbed minds from our weekly dose of garbage TV. More directly, what a disgrace I find this list to be, our Citizenry to be, our leaders in government, industry and society to be! Your deafing silence is tantamount to an irresponsible lack of civic responsibility. What in God's name does it take to outrage you people. Where is your anger? Where is your common sense that should be sending off alarm bells as you go about your daily numbing routine? It is as if, America's future is not a responsibility that we citizens own any time or attention to! WRONG! If
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990525a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No volcano goddesses were appeased during production of this bulletin. * SKEPTINEWS CONTRIBUTORS/EDITORS WANTED NOW * KEEP THIS BULLETIN COMING * _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Firm to clone pets. FARMINGTON, Conn. (AP) Two entrepreneurs are charg- ing pet owners to store their beloved animals' DNA in anticipation of the day when science can clone Fido or Fluffy. For $1,000 per pet plus a $100 annual storage fee they will store a genetic sample from a living or dead animal. So far scientists have cloned only mice and farm livestock such as sheep. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559666858-be9 *** Also: DNA thefts prompt change in research - patented molecules taken - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559655306-bcd : Would you rather clone your pets, your kinfolk, your neighbors, yourself? How much is DNA worth? Is yours worth stealing? Would you ransom your clone? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # SILENT TREATMENT. And you thought space was quiet and peaceful. Astronauts say the Russian half of the international space station sounds like rush hour on a busy freeway. That's why they're packing earplugs for this week's repair mission to the space module. The crew will install foam covers over the fans, ducts, and vents in an effort to muffle the noise. If that doesn't work, permanent crews will just have to get used to those earplugs. Or play space music: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/story/19838.html : Are all space missions noisy, or just the Russian ones? Are Zeta Reticulan spacecraft quieter, cozier, nicer than Reptilioid or Rigellian structures? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # New Star in Southern Skies. (BBC) A bright new star has exploded into visibility in the southern skies. It is so bright it can be seen with the unaided eye. Astronomers say it is a once in a decade event. Nova Velorum 1999: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_352000/352209.stm # Also: Megablasts in space: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_317000/317233.stm # When a star explodes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_274000/274907.stm # Scientists snap deep space blast: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_263000/263880.stm # Explosion on the edge of space: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_238000/238120.stm # Fiery star burning bright: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_209000/209448.stm : How many civilizations are destroyed by novae every year? Can a nova be triggered by hostile entities? Are we at risk from sun-blasting aliens? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** School violates religious rights. WHITE PLAINS, NY (AP) School officials violated the religious rights of three Catholic families by holding an Earth Day liturgy, by encouraging the use of "worry dolls" and by having third- graders make paper images of a Hindu god, a judge ruled. The families alle- ged that the school district promoted Satanism, the occult and New Age rel- igion. The judge ruled against the families on a dozen or so other issues, including complaints about yoga lessons. He called the case "agenda driven litigation." The ruling may have a chilling effect on classroom curricula: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559638478-0d9 : Are you allowed to worship nature spirits, extraterrestrials, software, or me in your public schools? Are your religious rights being violated if you are taught about various religions? Do you invoke deities by modeling them? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Taliban said to kill Shiites. ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Afghanistan's opposition alliance sought the help of the U.N. to end what it alleged were unprovoked attacks by the Taliban religious army on minority Shiite Muslims, known as Hazaras. Dozens of hangings, hundreds of arrests and house-burn- ings - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559644626-873 : Does your belief system promote slaughtering sectarian opponents? Have you purged dissidents? Is it fun? Do voices in your head direct your violence? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # China rounds up 71 members of religious cult. BEIJING (Reuters) Police ar- rested 71 cultists in southwest China and thwarted a plot to assassinate a town official. Mentu Hui, or Gate Disciples sect, was declared an illegal organisation and its leaders faced charges of fraud, rape and manslaughter. http://cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9905/24/BC-CHINA-CULT.reut/index.html : Do you belong to an illegal cult? Do you rape and kill? Is it fun? Where? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # Canada a key snooper in huge spy network - can intercept nearly any message: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/national/990522/2630510.html # CIA's "cyberwar" against Milosevic; Echelon snooping:
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990525b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No uppity wimmin were harassed during the production of this bulletin. * SKEPTINEWS CONTRIBUTORS/EDITORS WANTED NOW * KEEP THIS BULLETIN COMING * _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Family tree site felled. (BBC) A new Website launched by the Mormon Church to help people trace their family history crashed after being overwhelmed by demand. On its first day, around 500 people a second were estimated to be trying to access the site. "It's triple, quadruple what they anticipated" - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_352000/352050.stm # Also: Burke's breaks taboo: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_35/350787.stm # Mormon site online family tree - biggest online genealogical database: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559653807-a9d http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,13428,00.html # Genealogy site is a hit - 7 million times a day: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,13045,00.html : Do you care that Mormon interest in genealogy is based on their baptizing the dead, converting them to Mormons posthumously? Would you mind being a dead Mormon? Do you want your ancestors converted, sent to other planets? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Ancient bones found. ELKO, Nev. (AP) Cheetah, camel llama bones sealed in a Nevada cave for tens of thousands of years are giving scientists a look at ecosystems of the West before the last Ice Age. The unusually well pres- erved cache from about 40,000 to 50,000 years ago includes bones from a wide variety of creatures now extinct - from the giant short-faced bear to huge deer and bison. "This cave is kind of a Noah's Ark collection of species." See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559660328-8a0 : If extraterrestrials visited Earth, would you expect to find their bones here? How well preserved would they be? What all is in this cave? Really? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # The Last Supper ready to go. (BBC) The restoration of Leonardo da Vinci's The Last Supper is finally complete after more than 20 years work. Whew. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_352000/352217.stm # Also: The Last Supper restored: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_352000/352265.stm # Take a peek at the Last Supper: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_335000/335403.stm @ Links: Exploring Leonardo: http://www.mos.org/sln/Leonardo/ @ Web Museum: Leonardo da Vinci: http://metalab.unc.edu/wm/paint/auth/vinci/ @ Drawings of da Vinci: http://banzai.msi.umn.edu/leonardo/ : Are artistic renderings of religious entities themselves holy, magickal, sacred? Is it blasphemy to defile them? Are they defiled by restoration? Are all who worked on restoring the LAST SUPPER doomed to eternal torment? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiShorts: @ TANTRA: ANCIENT PRACTICES BRING NEW LIFE TO SEX LIFE. Many couples these days are trying some ancient practices to rejuvenate their sex lives - the Indian discipline of Tantra. According to Tantra, sexual satisfaction comes from achieving total "oneness" with your partner. Now, it may not be for everyone, but giving some priority to your sex life might not be such a bad thing. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=12606 # Israel students build candle cars. JERUSALEM (AP) - Forget natural gas, electricity or the sun. Israeli university students found a new alternative energy source to power their vehicles - two Sabbath candles. Holy light power: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559668690-c3d @ FOREVER LET US HOLD OUR BANNER HIGH. On June 5th, Disney World becomes a park with a real theme - a queer one. Now in its ninth fabulous year, Orlando GayDays has grown from a Magic Kingdom gathering on a single day into a 5-day city-wide celebration! Make the GayDays event the best yet! www.gaydays.com and www.planetout.com/travel/features/1999/04/disney.html *** Georgia foils coup plot. TBILISI (AP) Georgian cops foiled a plot by opponents of the president to kill him and take control of the country. Financed abroad: www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559667910-1fa # CIA PLOTTING CYBERWAR. Clinton OKs a super-secret plan to hack the Yugo- slav govt's technological infrastructure. Formerly super-secret, that is. www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/politics/story/19836.html # Virtual doctor trains patients in 3D. (BBC) A web site will help women learn about correct self-examination techniques, using technology that could eventually be used to teach medical students. Next step: the HoloDoc? See http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_352000/352268.stm _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ Mexican Government Violates Religious Rights of Indigenous Peoples:
[CTRL] Gore unveils new religious agenda
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nando.net/politics/story/0,1068,52616-84412-597786-0,00.html Gore unveils new religious agenda Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press By SANDRA SOBIERAJ ATLANTA (May 25, 1999 9:12 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - In a "new partnership" between church and state, a President Gore would "dare to embrace" faith-based programs with public funds and set policy with religious leaders at the table. Such was the pledge Vice President Al Gore made Monday as he further fleshed out an agenda for Campaign 2000 that he hopes will both set him apart from President Clinton and bring him close enough to his opponents - chiefly Republican George W. Bush and Democrat Bill Bradley - to neutralize any "values" debate. On Tuesday, he and Clinton appear together at an economic development conference in Texas before Gore resumes campaign fund raising. Three events Monday bagged him $600,000. "The moment has come for Washington to catch up to the rest of America," the congressman-turned-senator-turned-vice-president said in tones borrowed from a Washington outsider. "And Americans profoundly, rightly believe that politics and morality are deeply interrelated." Speaking at a Salvation Army drug rehabilitation center, Gore said places like that and Christ House and Christian Women's Job Corps have some of the most effective programs dealing with homelessness, addiction and mental illness precisely because of their religious bent. "To the workers in these organizations, that client is not a number but a child of God," he said. "We should explore carefully tailored partnerships with our faith community, so we can use the approaches that are working best." His plan essentially would expand conservative Republican Sen. John Ashcroft's "charitable choice" provision of the 1996 welfare overhaul that allowed government money to fund faith-based groups helping to move people from welfare to work. Gore was short on specifics - communications director Laura Quinn called it a "broad idea" at this point - but he insisted no government-funded program would "promote a religious view or try to force anyone to receive religion" and that secular alternatives would be available. Three times he said he believes in the separation of church and state. But Terri Schroeder, a First Amendment legal analyst at the American Civil Liberties Union, said Gore's plan raises troubling questions. "How can a religious institution counsel without proselytizing? How can you provide juvenile services without some level of coercion? How can we have any accountability for how our money is spent given the traditional separation of church and state?" Schroeder asked. For Gore, the political benefit of religious talk is twofold: It sneaks some ground out from under Republicans who have long dominated the morals debate; and, less overtly, may serve to disassociate him from Clinton's personal scandals. "It's taken too long for candidate Gore to join Republicans in recognizing the rightful role of churches and religious organizations in solving society's most challenging and pressing problems," said Jim Nicholson, chairman of the Republican National Committee. At the same time, he welcomed Gore's "change of heart." A senior policy adviser to Gore, Elaine Kamarck, told The Boston Globe over the weekend, "The Democratic Party is going to take back God this time." Aboard Air Force Two on Monday, vice presidential spokesman Chris Lehane shook his head at Kamarck's candor. He refused to speak to the politics of Gore's new emphasis on spirituality and rejected the notion that Republicans have cornered the market on religious voters. "I don't think God is partisan," Lehane said. Beyond current-day political expedience, Gore can lay claim to a religious and spiritual grounding. As a young man returning from Vietnam, he studied at Vanderbilt's divinity school. And in his 1991 book, "Earth in the Balance," Gore wrote of his "deeply personal" relationship with Christ. Still, said Lehane, the vice president has never been someone to "wear God on his sleeve" and doesn't plan to now that he's running for president. On other questions of church and state, the vice president opposes organized prayer in public schools during the school day, and he opposes using public dollars to send children to parochial schools, Lehane said. On Monday, Gore offered a pledge to the clergy and community activists gathered at The Salvation Army: "If you elect me president, the voices of faith-based organizations will be integral to the policies set forth in my administration." * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
[CTRL] Wiretaps implicate thugs klintoon and jiang
-Caveat Lector- Cox Report: China Stole U.S. Nuclear Secrets The Cox report released Tuesday claims that China's espionage over the past decade has propelled them to a nuclear status equal to that of the U.S. Fund-Raiser's Cover Stories May Have Come From Chinese President Updated 11.02 p.m. ET (0302 GMT) May 24, 1999 By Carl Cameron WASHINGTON Fox News has learned that cover stories provided by Chinese operatives to hide China's illegal campaign contributions may have come from or been approved by President Jiang Zemin. Transcripts of FBI wiretaps obtained by Fox News also point to the possibility that President Clinton may have known of both the illegal donations and what was to be said if they were discovered. Mark Wilson/Reuters Congress was unaware Johnny Chung had been told above all else not to say anything about Loral and Hughes A great deal of China's illegal contributions to 1996 Democratic campaigns passed through Johnny Chung, a Taiwan-born U.S. citizen who received $300,000 from the head of Chinese military intelligence to be given to the Democratic National Committee and Clinton's re-election campaign. When the contributions were discovered, Chung was charged with making illegal donations, and later pleaded guilty. Chung last week told Congress he was under orders from the Chinese to keep the whole thing quiet. His orders, he said, came from a suspected Chinese intelligence operative named Robert Luu, who worked for a Los Angeles law firm. In a phone conversation tapped by the FBI, Chung was told by Luu to say the campaign money came from the so-called princelings: Chinese leaders' grown sons, who live, study and often live lavishly in the West. A transcript of the wiretap, obtained by Fox News, contains the following: Luu: "Shove the blame on the shoulders of the princelings." Chung: "So blame it on the princelings. Do not implicate the Chinese government." Luu: "Yes. Chairman Jiang agreed to handle it like this; the president over here also agreed." Since both men were in the United States when the call occurred, those words "the president over here also agreed" may indicate that President Clinton and China's President Jiang Zemin had agreed on how to spin the story if it got out. The White House has strongly denied any such thing occurred. Chung's contacts with Chinese intelligence were well known to Luu. Chung's primary contact was Lt. Col. Liu Chaoying of the People's Liberation Army. She arranged the meeting between Chung and Gen. Ji, chief of China's military intelligence, who provided Chung with the money for campaign donations. Robert Luu told Chung never to tell investigators about two U.S. satellite firms, Loral Space and Hughes Electronics, or their relationship with Liu Chaoying who, as head of China Aerospace, the company that lofts American satellites into orbit on Chinese rockets, had negotiated their Chinese contracts. Fox News has learned that Congress was unaware Johnny Chung had been told above all else not to say anything about Loral and Hughes. Loral and Hughes are currently under investigation for illegally helping China improve its missile technology. Sources say China wanted to keep the companies out of the scandal in order to protect its business arrangements and ability to acquire U.S. technology. Another former Clinton fund-raiser, Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, has now also pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with Justice Department investigators. Sources say they have reason to suspect Trie also may have been involved with Loral and Hughes and their export relationship with China. The Pentagon concluded two years ago that Loral and Hughes had harmed national security by helping China improve its missile technology, but the President kept letting the companies do business with China, signing waivers allowing the two companies to export their satellites. A series of launch failures, followed by the companies' unauthorized aid to Chinese scientists investigating the rocket crashes, prompted a congressional investigation, which on Tuesday will release its findings on Chinese espionage. http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/news/background/spying/index.sm l Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not
Re: [CTRL] Anglo say Bye Bye to South Africa
-Caveat Lector- Well, maybe Goodbye and Good Riddancethe whole bunch. At least they did leave something of value, other thank the King James Bible. Someone will get rich on the drugs.probably our CIA will buy them up, or our Pentagon On Guardwhat are they up to? Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] thug reno defends decision not to wiretap red thug lee [waco witch under pressure to resign]
-Caveat Lector- Monday May 24 8:09 PM ET Reno Defends Decisions In China Spying Case WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Attorney General Janet Reno, under pressure to resign over handling of alleged nuclear spying by China, Monday defended the Justice Department's refusal to approve FBI requests for a wiretap of a suspect at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. ``The Justice Department has not -- nor will it -- authorize such intrusions when, as in this case, the standards of the Constitution and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) have not been met,'' Reno said in a written statement. A scientist from Los Alamos, Wen Ho Lee, was fired in March amid suspicions he passed classified information to China. He has not been charged with any crime. Reno's statement also said that the FBI's 1997 request for surveillance of Lee ``did not contain a request to search any computer.'' She said career Justice Department lawyers rejected the FBI's surveillance request and that FBI Director Louis Freeh ''firmly believes that the decision in this case was based on a principled analysis of the law and the facts'' presented at the time. China is accused of stealing U.S. information on nuclear weapons and intelligence officials have said the data could be used to upgrade its weapons arsenal. Beijing has denied the charges. Republicans in Congress called for Reno to resign on the eve of the release of a lengthy report by a special House committee detailing China's alleged theft of nuclear and military secrets. ``I believe the Justice Department is adrift,'' said Republican Sen. Richard Shelby, of Alabama, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. ``I believe that the attorney general ought to resign and she ought to take her top lieutenants with her.'' Even one staunch Democrat has suggested Reno ought to consider stepping down. Sen. Robert Torricelli, of New Jersey said there was ``something wrong when the United States Congress on a bipartisan basis has so little confidence in the chief law enforcement officer of the United States.'' But White House spokesman Joe Lockhart said Monday President Clinton had confidence in the attorney general ``and will continue to have confidence.'' Tuesday, a special House panel chaired by Republican Representative Christopher Cox of California was to make public its report expected to detail allegations that China stole U.S. nuclear weapons secrets over the past decades. Reno said she took ``very seriously'' the Justice Department's responsibility to protect the national security. She has ordered an investigation of the handling of the Lee case, which dates back to the early 1980s. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/pl/story.html?s=v/nm/19990524/pl/china_ spying_reno_1.html Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ron Paul: Cox Report must be released in entirety, aid to China must end.
-Caveat Lector- Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! -Original Message- From: Freedom Watch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 12:07 PM To: Freedom Watch Subject: FREEDOM Watch: Cox Report must be released in entirity, aid to China must end : 052599 + FREEDOM Watch A look at what's new on "Project FREEDOM." ( http://www.house.gov/paul/ ) + Issued: Monday, May 24, 1999 + Paul says entire Cox Report must be examined Long-alleged espionage charges very troubling, aid to China must stop WASHINGTON, DC -- With the pending public release of the so-called Cox Report, which is reported to outline charges of cover-up and administrative mismanagement regarding alleged Chinese espionage, US Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Congress has a constitutional obligation to act quickly on substantiated information. "The allegations are very troubling and must be taken seriously," said Rep. Paul... Read the entire press release at: http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press99/pr052599.htm +++ +++ To be removed from this list, send a reply e-mail with the word "remove" in the Subject line. Please DO NOT send e-mail correspondence to this address, as the message WILL NOT be read or processed. Go to http://www.house.gov/paul/mail/ for information on how to send questions, comments and suggestions using the Internet. FREEDOM Watch is a service of Rep. Ron Paul's office. By signing up, recipients are requesting to be notified when new items are posted, or changes are made, to US Rep. Ron Paul's congressional web site, Project FREEDOM, http://www.house.gov/paul/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ELECTRONIC SYSTEM FOR TRANSFER OF THE ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL POWER TO THE PEOPLE
-Caveat Lector- ELECTRONIC SYSTEM FOR TRANSFER OF THE ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL POWER TO THE PEOPLE CONSUMERS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE ! The peoples have no say. All economic and political power is concentrated in the trans- national corporations, their mass media monopoly and their politicians. And from their point of view people are only of interest 1. - as slave labour, only to be kept barely alive at minimum existence level, - this giving rise to the general class struggle - but at the same time also 2. - as consumers to keep the profit machinery running at maximum speed. The great potential of this other more pleasant role of ours so far has only been exploited to a very limited extent and only for defensive purposes. So let us expand the class struggle with exploiting this potential in an OFFENSIVE strategy: Let us utilize the contradictions existing within the robber barons castle to our advantage and disarm their imperialist struggle over markets and resources before it now once again will lead to world war. Let us utilize the fact that it is our money the robbers are fighting over, and play the predators out against eachother, before they succeed in completing the monopolization process. Why should we always remain on the defensive although the salesmen are completely dependent on our willingness to buy their products ! GLOBALLY the consumers' power may be utilized for internationalization of the corporations. This is the only strategy for saving our planet. It necessitates the formation of the World Parliament of THE UNITED PEOPLES, cf. http://www.unitedpeoples.net (under construction). REGIONALLY and NATIONALLY the consumers' power may be utilized for the people's takeover of the ownership or part of the profits of national companies and local corporate production and distribution enterprises. In each country a United Peoples Party or, to start with, a Consumers' Power Committee, "CPC", comprising progressive mass organisations and NGOs, and approved by the world parliament, is formed. The CPC may comprise a group of neighbouring countries. The analysis of the market and identification of the products and enterprises to be targeted is carried out by progressive professional economists / NGOs / students under the guidance of the CPC. The tasks of the members will be, as consumers, to buy, respectively boycott continuously or for a specified period of time the products pointed out by the CPC, and to motivate rest of the population to do the same. EXAMPLE : Three enterprises, A, B and C, are selling almost identical products and share the market as follows: Shares of market: A B C xx Profits: A B C xx Depending on the market, the strength of the CPC, etc., each one of the enterprises is asked either A) - if it is willing to turn over the ownership to the people in case it is chosen as the only one to survive, the stockholders' invested money to be paid back over a specified period of time, or B) - how great share of its extra profits it will allot to the people, if it is chosen as the only one or one of the few enterprises whose products will not be boycotted. If, for example, A and B bid highest, the CPC may choose to let A and B share C's market and share C's profit with the people, rather than let either A or B get complete monopoly: Shares of market: A B xx Profits: AB CPC xxxx xx Everything of course will be based on a written agreement beforehand. ELECTRONIC SYSTEM FOR MOBILIZING THE CONSUMERS AND DOCUMENTING THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS 1. A data base administered by the world parliament of the united peoples, http://unitedpeoples.net Until the first parliament has been elected, the organizers will function as a provisional parliament. The data base stores the digitized biometric fingerprints of all of the participating consumers worldwide. The documentation of the vast number af active consumers enables the world parliament to lay pressure on the transnational corporations for ecologic, economic and political purposes. 2. The CPC publishes addresses in all cities and towns where registration of the interested consumers can take place, by placing the tip of the forefinger on a newly developed biometric sensor with a chip that within a second reads the sub-skin structure of the unique fingerprint, cf. http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Security/ Identification_Systems/Fingerprinting/ and http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tonycook/nzsdp/ Name, address or other identification of the participants is unnecessary. Furthermore, the fingerprints will be collected in shopping centers and -
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990525c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No nuclear secrets were pilfered during the production of this bulletin. * SKEPTINEWS CONTRIBUTORS/EDITORS WANTED NOW * KEEP THIS BULLETIN COMING * _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Interactive Barney: Good or evil? Conferees worry about where computerized 'character' toys are going next. (PG) He has no rivets in his forehead, he harbors no homicidal tendencies - though he's certainly inspired a few - and he likes to play peek-a-boo. But when a panel of computer scientists gather- ed to discuss "interactive plush toys," the question before them was: Could Microsoft's "ActiMates Barney" be a cuddlier version of Dr. Frankenstein's monster? http://www.post-gazette.com/businessnews/19990521barney1.asp : Would you entrust your kids with MicroSoft toys? Will Bill Gates reprogram your kids' minds? Will your kids reprogram the toys to kill? Who'll prevail? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Company Brings Albert Einstein ALife. BOSTON (PRNewswire) Artificial Life, Inc. (Nasdaq: ALIF), a technology leader of intelligent software bots for the Internet, announced today it will launch a new breed of interactive educational program explaining the life and work of Albert Einstein. Called Albert Einstein ALife, the CD-ROM learning program allows the user to have virtual conversations with an Albert Einstein avatar software robot. : Would you rather interact with software robots of Einstein, Newton, Cher, Jesus, Madonna, Judas, Homer, Noah, Buddha, Cleopatra, Sawney Bean, Mao, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Interstellar message says 'ET call Earth'. (BBC) The first detailed radio message to the stars is on the air. It asks any aliens who receive it to get in touch. Encounter 2001, a firm based in Houston, US, offers the public the chance to tag their own messages on the end for $15. Tell it to the Zetans: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_351000/351461.stm @ Links: seti@home: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ @ Encounter 2000: http://www.encounter2001.com/ # And: Screening for alien life: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_345000/345465.stm # Alien hoax dismays scientists: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_206000/206845.stm # Anyone out there? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_17/170954.stm # We are not being visited: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_124000/124854.stm : Would you hesitate before inviting aliens to call? Would you like to send an obscene message to the galaxy? Is ANY message obscene to SOME aliens? How will they react? If they come, will they drink our beer, eat our food, fart? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Tokyo police search shops linked to doomsday cult. TOKYO (AP) - Police searched four facilities Tuesday connected to the doomsday cult accused in a 1995 gas attack on Tokyo subways, seizing nearly 100 items. See http://www.nando.net/noframes/story/0,2107,52617-84413-597788-0,00.html : Would you feel nervous if you had to enter and search the premises of a doomsday cult? Would you pray beforehand? Would your prayers do any good? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Gore unveils new religious agenda. ATLANTA (AP) - In a "new partnership" between church and state, a President Gore would "dare to embrace" faith- based programs with public funds and set policy with religious leaders at the table. www.nando.net/politics/story/0,1068,52616-84412-597786-0,00.html : How much of your tax money would you like to channel to religious groups? Should your taxes go to Buddhists, Sufis, Quakers, Satanists, Discordians, UFO cults, The Church Of The Otters, naturist sects, Aum Shin Rikyo, JDL? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Armchair Astronomers' 1st Stop. Brainiacs science enthusiasts, rejoice! NASA's new all-in-one Web site will be a gold mine of cosmological data for scientists laypeople. www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/19859.html @ Links: NASA's Hubble Portal: http://www.HubbleConstant.com @ Marshall Spaceflight Center: http://www1.msfc.nasa.gov/ : Are you a brainiac? Do you already know this stuff? Do the Reptilioids keep you briefed? Will Zeta Reticulans feel threatened? What will they do? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # IBM opening access to software - hopes to sell more supercomputers: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559655666-a6d # Linux in software alliance with IBM - kill-targeting Windows NT: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559671570-44e # TREKKIES: GET A LIFE - A new documentary about Star Trek fandom: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/culture/story/19830.html @ "60 Minutes" Transcript re: Y2K - a huge natural disaster: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000rkQ # Chemicals leave lethal legacy - old pesticides environmental
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay. 1/2
-Caveat Lector- good critiques of Darwinian evolution. are not, in and of themselves, a good critique of evolution itself. Like Freud or Columbus, Darwin and Wallace were on to something big, but were fairly clueless as to what. Yes, the mind does have definable internal functions. No, they are not static structures. Yes, you can strike land sailing west from Spain. No, it is not India. Yes, life evolves. No, competition alone does not select the survivors. Allow me to recommend an excellent book on the subject, Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution by Peter Kropotkin. It'll open your eyes. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- The highest percentage of shootings are drug related. Actually, the highest percentage of shootings are drug MONEY related. End drug prohabition and the profit motive ceases to be a factor in drug use, the drug user's prime reason to recruit evaporates, as does the vast overwhelming majority of all crimes. Before prohibition drug abuse was a tiny percent of all recreational drug use and was only a problem for the individual involved and for his doctor. It had no effect on the rest of society. After prohibition came into effect drug abuse mushroomed, and crime with it. The cost to society of prohibition has been enormous, and nothing, NOTHING, has been gained. End it NOW. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton Earning 'Frequent Liar Miles'
-Caveat Lector- Clinton Earning 'Frequent Liar Miles' Our BNN Investigative team has uncovered evidence that a major U.S. air carrier has been awarding President Clinton 'Frequent Liar Miles'. A unnamed executive of this airlines told BNN, "The CEO of our company is good friends with the President. When Clinton first took office in 92' he set up a special account in the President's name. I discovered that every time the President lies he is given credit toward free air travel. Clinton can redeem these 'Frequent Liar Miles' as soon as he leaves office." When BNN asked how many miles the President had accrued we were told, "Let's just say that Mr. Clinton will be able to fly First-Class for free for the rest of his life." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: You guys take yourselves WAY to seriously. Most people would give up their guns grudgingly, but quite easily. Those that won't, well...those who live by the gun, shall die by the gun. Let's see if Charlton Heston and Wayne LaPierre (sp?)will take the first hits. Anybody want to bet money? Joshua2 there are more things than are dreamt of in phlemosophy. blow your nose and refresh your mind. think of a world run by criminals and cops with guns. then imagine ordinary shop-keepers breaking the law to preserve their right to a living. imagine a vast underground of gun sellers and snipers. your world; but second thought, not. how much money are we talking about? better save it for when you will have to perchase a gun to live and be discreet will you. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Most people would give up their guns grudgingly, but quite easily. Sure they would. Just like they gave up their drugs and their alcohol and their gambling and their whores. Dream on. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did the Chinese really steal significant nuclear secrets? If so, what are appropriate responses? Nuke China? Execute all Chinese nationals in the US, mainland and Taiwanese alike? Prosecute all the relevant officials in the Clinton, Bush and Reagan gov'ts? Oh that's right, most of the latter have already been prosecuted for corruption... Burn down Washington DC? Sew the Ellipse with salt? How about no more Most Favored Nation trade status. How about telling them to peddle their wares elsewhere. How about no more Red Chinese and Russians scientists (operatives) in our military research facilities. The Chinese may have placed us in the most vulnerable of situations, and you just want economic and personnel sanctions imposed? Is that proportionate to the damage? No, we've gotta nuke'em. How about kicking out all Communists from this country. How do you determine who's a Communist? Do you have a method for reading minds? Do you distinguish between Red-Army Capitalists, Maoist Collectivists, Anarcho-Syndicalists, Social Democrats, and Rockerfeller Republicans? Would you cancel US citizenship? How about supporting Taiwan as the only free China. Well, it's getting there... How about bringing to justice (for treason) all scientists, politicians and US military officials who aided the Red Chinese in obtaining secret and top secret military information. Review the constitutional definition of treason. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] thug reno defends decision not to wiretap red thug lee ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-25 11:13:55 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What ever happened to misfeasance, malfeasance, and nonfesance of office? With so many guilty, prosecuting anyone on those charges is no longer feasible. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pre-Neanderthal pelvis suggests brain prevailed over brawn
-Caveat Lector- Robert Tatman The Nature article said that despite their "armored car" build, the Neanderthals became extinct because they failed to look after each other, whereas their weaker cousins, the descendants of modern man, were more social and were forced to depend on each other for survival. And how do they figure that? From the copious diaries left? The high divorce rate? One of the few ritualized grave sites found is Neanderthal-- flowers left in the grave-- that would seem to indicate community, or at least family social development. There are many options for extinction-- interbreeding with Cro-Magnon that produced sterile offspring, disease susceptibility, or just that Humans did what Humans do best and wiped them out. Queri [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NATO Struggling to Keep United Front
-Caveat Lector- "Greece and Italy, meanwhile, are lobbying for a pause in the bombing to give Milosevic a period of calm to frame a reply to NATO's demands..." Italy has found it necessary nudge, nudge to reorganize its intelligence services under a more NATO-friendly spy czar due to "terrorism" blamed on "Red Bridgades." Greece, whose supreme court has charged NATO with "war crimes," can expect something similar in the near future ... When the Godfather sez "jump," the capos better jump, or watch their backs ... Even among "allies," this is known as "diplomacy." Germany, US Muffle NATO Differences By BARRY SCHWEID .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- Muffling differences among the NATO allies on war strategy, the United States and Germany concentrated today on planning a peacekeeping force for Kosovo and the eventual return of ethnic Albanian refugees to the Serbian province. Publicly, at least, Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said nothing at a joint news conference with Secretary of State Madeleine Albright about Germany's implacable opposition to employing ground troops against the Serbs -- an option that Albright said is still on the table. Instead, Fischer, whose government contains strong pacifist elements, stressed the goal of overcoming the ``aggressive nationalism'' of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic with a NATO military victory. Otherwise, he warned, Albanian nationalism could explode in the heavily Muslim Kosovo-Bosnia-Montenegro triangular region. ``This policy of aggressive nationalism of Mr. Milosevic, rooted in the 1930s, must be stopped,'' Fischer said, with obvious reference to the German nationalism of the period that precipitated World War II. Albright said her meeting with Fischer concentrated on the ``unity of the alliance'' amid demonstrations and other signs in Serbia that the people were turning against Milosevic. Albright also acknowledged that efforts to arrange a voluntary boycott of oil shipments to Yugoslavia had only partially succeeded, although she said NATO's airstrikes had sharply reduced Milosevic's supply. Albright said she would talk to officials in Ukraine, where barges reportedly are filled with oil to cross the Black Sea and sail up the Danube through Buglaria and Romania. Germany is making a public point of errant bomb targeting that embarrassed the allies and touched off a furor with China after its embassy in Belgrade was hit. The Swiss ambassador's residence also was hit. Before flying here, Fischer met with Swiss Foreign Minister Joseph Deiss in Bonn and said ``talks are urgently needed'' on targeting. The choice of NATO targets must ``more effectively avoid damaging civilian targets,'' said German foreign ministry spokesman Martin Erdmann. Germany has backed the air campaign strongly, but adamantly opposes sending any ground troops. Britain, on the other hand, says ground troops should be considered in an ``endgame'' strategy to rout weakened Serb forces from Kosovo. Albright is also meeting this week with two other foreign ministers -- Yeoryios Papandreou of Greece on Wednesday and Lloyd Axworthy of Canada on Thursday. Papandreou on Monday was in Beijing, where Chinese Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan demanded that NATO stop the bombing before the U.N. Security Council opens discussions on a political solution for Kosovo. ``They were very, very clear on the fact that they would not be able to vote for a U.N. resolution if the bombing did not stop,'' Papandreou told reporters shortly before leaving Beijing. While this raised the prospect of a Chinese veto, Papandreou said China wanted to play a constructive role in resolving the conflict. Greece and Italy, meanwhile, are lobbying for a pause in the bombing to give Milosevic a period of calm to frame a reply to NATO's demands. These include the withdrawal of all Serb troops and paramilitary forces from Kosovo and the return of refugees under the protection of NATO and other peacekeepers. The United States also supports a suspension of airstrikes -- but only if Yugoslavia accepts all NATO conditions for a settlement, said State Department spokesman James P. Rubin. He also reiterated Monday that the attack on the Chinese Embassy was accidental, and said China would receive results of a formal review of the bombing. In Moscow, meanwhile, Russian mediator Viktor S. Chernomyrdin said he had persuaded Western countries to permit Yugoslavia to leave some troops in Kosovo as part of a settlement. ``It has taken two or three weeks to convince our counterparts -- the United States and (other) NATO countries -- that while withdrawing the (Yugoslav) troops, it's necessary to leave some of them behind,'' Chernomyrdin said after talks with India's foreign minister, Jaswant Singh. But the Yugoslav envoy to the United Nations, Vladislav Jovanovic, said in New York that NATO troops had no moral right to enter his country after the bombing. He warned that no one could
[CTRL] Maggie and Mommy Choose Prez in 2000
-Caveat Lector- "Come back on your shield [a battlefield hero] or don't come back at all." --A Spartan mother's traditional goodbye to her son, going off to war Mrs. Reagan, Thatcher Praise McCain WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two grande dames of the conservative movement, Nancy Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, are giving Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign a boost. In a note beginning ``My dear senator,'' the former British prime minister praised McCain's speeches and writings on the conflict in Kosovo. ``I wanted to write and tell you how much I admired and agreed with their contents,'' read the note released by McCain's GOP presidential campaign. The Arizona senator has criticized President Clinton for ruling out the use of ground troops in Yugoslavia. Though she has not endorsed McCain, Thatcher wrote, ``I very much hope that the wise and courageous leadership you are offering on this vital issue impresses others in Washington as much as it impresses me.'' Nancy Reagan also has not endorsed McCain, though she did ask that the senator accept an award Wednesday night on behalf of her husband. The American Conservative Union will honor Reagan as the conservative of the century. ``I am honored and very grateful to have been asked to accept an award for that most eloquent, visionary, and steadfast apostle of freedom, President Reagan, and to have been encouraged by his staunch ally, Lady Margaret Thatcher, in my defense in the Balkans of the ideals they so ably advanced throughout the world,'' McCain said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-25 15:18:47 EDT, you write: The Chinese may have placed us in the most vulnerable of situations, and you just want economic and personnel sanctions imposed? Is that proportionate to the damage? No, we've gotta nuke'em. No need for that, they haven't attacked yet. MAD (mutual assured destruction ) is crazy, but it worked for fifty years, kept us out of a nuclear war anyway. Do you have a better idea? Clinton's policy is that if we are attacked, we'll just take it to preserve our "security?" How about kicking out all Communists from this country. How do you determine who's a Communist? Do you have a method for reading minds? Do you distinguish between Red-Army Capitalists, Maoist Collectivists, Anarcho-Syndicalists, Social Democrats, and Rockerfeller Republicans? Would you cancel US citizenship? Citizens of Red China are Communists, citizens of Russia are Communists and we should rid ourselves of them. American citizens who are Communists should not be expelled from the country because they have the right to their own political beliefs. How about bringing to justice (for treason) all scientists, politicians and US military officials who aided the Red Chinese in obtaining secret and top secret military information. Review the constitutional definition of treason. From the Constitution: Section. 3. Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Rosenbergs were executed after being convicted of treason for giving secrets of the atomic bomb to Russia. Clinton, Bush etc. have given aid to the enemy, helped them to get weapons of mass destruction to use against us. We are talking about super computers, guidance systems, communications that will be used to cause destruction. They have also obtained technology that will enable them to make warheads smaller, thus able to travel farther ... all the way to the US (not to mention multiple warheads). Regards, Bob (McCarthy was correct) Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From Wash (DC) Post Begin excerpt Our good Hillary, caught on the cusp between psycho-history and psycho-babble, was heard to remark to Larry King that the Milosevices were looking to turn their inner tragedies out upon the Kosovars. This about expresses the depth of our comprehension of what we have been up to in Kosovo. What may be more to the point is not Milosevic's personal pain, nor his wife's, but the identity he acquired as a young Communist in a Yugoslav regime at odds with Stalin but nonetheless profoundly influenced by the Soviet sense of virtue. The good Soviet operator was a dedicated bureaucrat who could climb the greasy pole of Party advancement skillfully enough to beat his fellow tigers. Milosevic had to be one of the wiliest, toughest, most treacherous, canny, tricky, ruthless, and resourceful human beings Madeleine Albright had ever encountered. She, too, had climbed a greasy pole, but it was as a hostess charming up the Beltway's A-list. That was no mean feat either, but it hardly compares to the vertical rise of Master Milosevic. We must face it. She was no match for him. Nor was Clinton or William Cohen. Neither of them ever served in the Armed Forces. Combat, for those who get into it, is about as strange and mysterious an experience as first sex. To have, therefore, such men (plus Madeleine Albright) functioning as our command trust for the Kosovo campaign is analogous to asking a young fellow innocent of carnal experience to become a marriage counselor. A genius could probably surmount the difficulty. End excerpt And then the China debacle ... It occurs to me that security issues would require the same sense. One cannot just "know"; one has to have the "feel" ... get dirt under the finger nails. AER AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hungarian Views
-Caveat Lector- Um, who's putting up the jack for all this? From BudapestSun www.budapestsun.com Army bases could house war refugees By Géda Szamosi May. 20, 1999 - Vol. VII, Is. 20 Six-party negotiations took place at the Foreign Ministry last week regarding the problem of caring for the increasing number of Yugoslav refugees arriving in Hungary. The Migration Office has been lobbying to open three military bases in southern Hungary to accommodate them. Foreign Minister János Martonyi said after the meeting that it is crucial not to lump the Kosovo crisis with the issue of ethnic Hungarians living in Vojvodina. Since news of the imminent arrival of 20 air tankers at Ferihegy and 27 jet fighters to the Taszár Nato base in southern Hungary, the border traffic from Yugoslavia has been slowly increasing. Customs officials last week reported 1,800 Yugoslavian refugees from the Nato airstrikes, including 700 ethnic Hungarians, 600 Albanians, 350 Serbs and the rest from other ethnic backgrounds. István Dobó, head of the Migration Office (MMH), said the influx has not yet reached "flood" proportions. However, he said many who had arrived on holiday or business could run out of money and apply for refugee status. The number of war refugees not yet officially registered who are living in border camps or homeless shelters could be as high as 20,000 he said. Most of them are Hungarians and Serbs. The number of registered refugees at the three refugee camps operated by MMH last week reached 2,500, approximately 1,300 of whom were Yugoslavian citizens, Dobó said. Their daily keep costs Ft800-1000 per day, he said. Another 300 refugees are staying at temporary shelters operated by border guard stations; the remaining war refugees were staying at private places. Dobó said talks were underway to let the refugees stay at three military bases in southern Hungary, one in Szeged, one in Baja and one in Orosháza. He added that substantial financial aid would be needed to furnish the bases, as neither the Interior Ministry or the Prime Ministers Office has funds for such needs. To open a shelter for 1,000 people, some Ft40 million ($17.5) would be needed. Utilities and food would cost about Ft30 million ($13.5) per month, Dobó said. Hungary was also facing the problem of helping those trying to move on to Western countries. Dobó said MMH was in direct contact with embassies in Budapest and was doing everything possible to inform refugees about official requirements to travel to the West. The Hungarian Red Cross is helping to unite families, and finding many missing refugees waiting for visas in the embassies of Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Holland and the US. Begin excerpt MP wants Vojvodina statehood May. 20, 1999 - Vol. VII, Is. 20 Picture The Government has distanced itself from a statement made by a coalition leader that Yugoslavias province of Vojvodina should seek statehood. Zsolt Lányi, deputy head of the junior coalition partner Independent Smallholder Party (FKgP) and Chairman of Parliaments Defense Committee, made the statement in reference to Yugoslavias northernmost province where some 300,000 ethnic Hungarians constitute 16% of the population. End excerpt PictureCopyright 1999 * The Budapest Sun * All rights reserved From Int'l Herald Tribune Paris, Tuesday, May 25, 1999 Living 'Like Cavemen' in Belgrade: No Water, No Electricity By Steven Erlanger New York Times Service BELGRADE - In the Belgrade suburb of Zemun on Monday, people were complaining that even McDonald's did not have coffee, because there was no water and no electricity. In Kovin, a small town in the northern province of Vojvodina, there was no power for the air-raid sirens. So the populace was relying for warnings on the church bells, which ring and pause in an imitation of the broken so und of an air alert. Branislav Grbic described with fury how he had to make a fireplace out of broken bricks in his Belgrade courtyard to heat milk for his baby son and grill the chicken in his freezer, before it spoiled. ''This is nearly the 21st century, and they force us to live like cavemen,'' he said. ''Slobo,'' he said, referring to President Slobodan Milosevic, ''has plenty of power and water, and so does the army.'' After two months of bombing, which began March 24, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization has now gone after Serbia's electricity and water supplies in a serious way, using high-explosive bombs that are doing permanent da mage to both systems, essential to modern civilian life. People are buying up batteries and bottled water and are boiling eggs, when they have electricity to do it, so they have something to eat in the long, dark, powerless night, when the planes come again and anti-aircraft fi re is the only light in the sky.
[CTRL] Fwd: Bonus March/Bonus Army II - A New Beginning
Here is data on the Bonus March where General Douglas McArthur ordered in the troops - supposedly, against Roosevelt's orders.a likely story. However, the end result benefited every Veteran in the Country; their Million Man March. How many men were buried in Flanders Field, and how many are in Arlington Cemetary...my brother-in-law is there now. The Memorial Day, we should not forget what this Country is all about. These rich bastards in Washington always get their paychecks; but now, they spend the veterans Social Security, on a war which is not a war, and from the conditions in Serbia, it can only be compared to Washington those days in 1932 when McArthur ordered troops to fire upon veterans, who had fought for their country, and come home to find nothing in return. Colleen http://members.aol.com/vetsofamer/bonus2.htm
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #4
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990525d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No extinct species of carnosaurs were cloned to produce this bulletin. * SKEPTINEWS CONTRIBUTORS/EDITORS WANTED * VOLUNTEER, OR ELSE * SOONEST * _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Taliban boss urges end to attacks. KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) The Taliban's reclusive leader called for an end to revenge attacks between his mostly Sunni fighters, and Shiite Muslims in central Bamiyan province. Oh really? http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559677342-4f3 : Which dissident factions of your belief system do you most like to attack? Which faction is the dominant heresy? If you're right and they're wrong, is it necessary to kill them, or are wounding, flogging, banishment sufficient? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # NZ probes suicide rumors. WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) Police are investi- gating rumors that foreign cults could travel to New Zealand's east coast town of Gisborne for millennium suicides at the first dawn of 2000. Police became aware of the suggestions two or three weeks ago. Gisborne will be a center for millennium celebrations, with its claim to be the first city to greet the new millennium dawn, due to its proximity to the International Date Line. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559678212-fa4 : Should doomsday cultists be encouraged to suicide? Where would you prefer that they off themselves? Should special Doomsday Zones be established, for easy cleaning and maintenance? Should the festivities be televised? Where? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Baggy-pants toys spark controversy. LOS ANGELES (AP) Homies, tiny baggy- pants-clad plastic figures sold as 50-cent toys, have come under attack by authorities who say they glorify gang culture. A million of the figures, with names like Droopy, Mr. Raza and Big Loco, have been sold since they went on the market four months ago. "It's scary that kids are playing with this. We're trying to fight and teach kids to stay away from gangs, and we have to contend with this as well?" said a cop trying to get merchants to stop offering Homies, which are sold as keychain figures and in gumball machines. Their creator, David Gonzales, 39, says the figures are simply caricatures of people he knew growing up in a Mexican-American barrio near San Jose. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559671616-511 : Do toy figurines encourage violence? Do toy plastic soldiers make you want to kill? Does Barbie encourage you to shop, dress fashionably, starve? Do toy aliens make you want to abduct or be abducted or levitate or die? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Papal Cover-Up Planned For Polish Billboards. WARSAW (Reuters) - Posters showing scantily clad women advertising lingerie will have to be removed from Polish billboards during a visit by Pope John Paul in June, state television reported Tuesday. "The clergy thinks the images of half-naked women will offend the Pope," the television said. Then it shut itself off. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990525/16/odd-billboards : If the leader of your belief system mandated procreation but deplored any images that might stimulate such procreation, would your system be insane? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Spy Report Imperils Crypto Bills - by Declan McCullagh. WASHINGTON - A new congressional report claiming widespread technological espionage by China will thwart any changes to US encryption rules in the near future, a top White House official said. www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/19864.html "The combination of legislators and the Internet is a dangerous one. It's dangerous for those of us who use the Internet because we get bad laws. It's dangerous for the Congresscritter because he looks stupid." -Declan _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Universe is 12 billion years old. (BBC) Hubble Space Telescope astronomers have come up with the best estimate yet for the age of the Universe. So far. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_352000/352563.stm @ Links: Hubble Space Telescope: http://www.stsci.edu/ @ Hubble constant background: http://www.hubbleconstant.com/ @ Expansion rate: www.sciam.com/specialissues/0398cosmos/0398freedman.html : Does knowing that the universe isn't 15-20 billion years old make you feel any younger? How much of reality that we can't observe is older? How much? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1999-05-03 What's New in AIR [Annals of Improbable Research]: AIR 5:3 (May/June 1999) is the special "SCIENCE THE MOVIES" issue. If you haven't seen your copy yet, or if your library unfathomably does not yet subscribe to AIR, here's some of what you are missing: "The Curious Deaths of Movie Museum Curators," by Sally Y. Shelton. The author analyzes the peculiarities, perversities, and predatory personnel of museums as they are depicted in movies. She undispassionately
[CTRL] (Fwd) War Powers Violation Today?
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:34:06 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:War Powers Violation Today? Institute for Public Accuracy 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Tuesday, May 25, 1999 WAR POWERS VIOLATION TODAY? WASHINGTON -- From all indications, today will mark the first time since enactment of the 1973 War Powers Resolution that a President has openly violated the termination requirements of that law. Air strikes against Yugoslavia began on March 24. The House of Representatives refused to give approval for the air war in a stunning tie vote of 213 to 213 on April 28. Today (May 25) marks 60 days since President Clinton gave Congress official notice. Under the War Powers Resolution law, if the President does not have explicit authorization, he has 60 days to "terminate any use" of forces. Legal scholars Michael Ratner and Jules Lobel -- who litigated Dellums v. Bush, the case that forced President Bush to obtain congressional authority for the Gulf War in 1991 -- are currently representing Rep. Tom Campbell (R.-Ca.) in Campbell v. Clinton, pending in Federal District Court for the District of Columbia. A hearing is likely next week. In a joint statement released today, Ratner and Lobel said: "The President was violating the Constitution on the first day of the war; now amazingly enough he becomes the first President ever to violate the termination provision of the War Powers Resolution. Bombings and killings are being carried out in our names, but without the consent of the American people through their representatives. It's a very sad day. The imperial Presidency has reappeared with a vengeance." Interviews are available with: * MICHAEL RATNER, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.mratner.com Vice President, Center for Constitutional Rights * JULES LOBEL, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.jurist.law.pitt.edu/kosovo.htm Professor of Constitutional and International Law at the University of Pittsburgh * CARLIN MEYER, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Professor of Law at New York Law School and author of the Pittsburgh Law Review article titled "Imbalance of Powers: Can Congressional Lawsuits Serve as Counterweight?" Relevant legal citations: U.S. Constitution: Article I, Section 8. "The Congress shall have power to... declare war..." The War Powers Resolution: "Within sixty calender days after a report is submitted... the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces... unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces." For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167 AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with
[CTRL] (Fwd) Claremont Institute Precepts: Out of Proportion
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Claremont Institute Precepts: Out of Proportion Date sent: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:20:28 -0700 The Claremont Institute--PRECEPTS | | May 24, 1999 Visit http://www.claremont.org | | No. 167 In a strange week, the little is made large, and the large minimized. The United States Senate has decided to put a stop to gunfire in schools. They have done this by requiring that child locks be provided when new weapons of certain types are sold, and that background checks of those purchasing guns in some situations be made. Now, in America there are and have been for a long time more guns than there are people. After this law is passed, this will still be the case. The existence of many guns in our country is old, but this rash of the shootings in schools is new. Simple common sense would suggest that we look elsewhere for the cause. Many who object to these new controls on guns say that a better method would be to regulate by some means what is shown in movies. Violent movies--also common for a long time--apparently are thought to be the cause of this rash of shootings in schools. Both these proposals have in common that they pay little attention to the local and particular facts either in Colorado or Georgia where the shootings have happened. They also have in common that they propose to regulate the vast majority of the people who had nothing to do with either event and are never going to shoot anyone for any reason-- unless it be to defend themselves or other innocent parties. They also have in common that they touch upon, perhaps infringe upon, the first and second articles of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is important. Look for a moment at the facts in Colorado. There, two young boys were permitted for a significant part of their upbringing to live in a culture of torture and death. They were permitted to run a little factory in their homes to manufacture murderous weapons (which cannot be banned, unless we ban pipes and fertilizer and ammonia). They were permitted to keep weapons in their bedrooms without comment from their parents. The principal of the school, who is full of praise for himself and his colleagues for their handling of the situation, did not notice that these two young men were threatening their fellow students with death and manifesting strange behavior constantly. The local police did not respond to multiple warnings from neighbors that these young men were dangerous. We have some correspondence in our office from a parent there in Littleton, a parent who had children in the school on that day. He is astonished at how the school authorities preen themselves on their fine work. These local facts in Colorado suggest where the real problems lie. Children cannot be raised by national bureaucracies. They must be raised by people who know their names. The best people to do this are their parents. After that, the best are their teachers, and after them, the principal, and after him, the local authorities. Most of the people who occupied these particular stations in Littleton are now being celebrated as heroes. Of course they have suffered, and so sympathy is due to them. On the other hand, without doubt they are the people nearest the problem. Is it wrong to say that a father, a grown man, should have exercised his power to forbid an adolescent to make and keep weapons and to threaten his schoolmates with death? Even if we forget for the moment the purposes of the Constitution and the limits it places upon government action, we can still see that the solutions we are adopting are no solutions at all. If we want to prevent our country from becoming a barbarous place where no one is safe--and where everyone is unarmed--we must work very hard to restore the authority and responsibility of the family. Nothing short of this will help, not even a little, and some of the measures being enacted into law will actually make the situation worse. Bad government imposes a terrible cost. Right now in America there is no party willing to address the real problems before us. The leader of the day has abused his overwhelming power in relation to a young girl barely of age. He is no model for a situation like this. Those in supposed opposition to him reverse themselves literally from day-to-day in fear of opinion polls. If these people will not do the duties they have assumed under the Constitution, we should get new ones. Happily, there is an election next year. We must find the courage to look at the facts as they are. Claremont Institute Senior Fellow Edward J. Erler has written a fine op-ed, "A Modest Proposal on Gun Control," which brings a little sanity and clear thinking to the question that grips the nation. I invite you to
Re: [CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about kicking out all Communists from this country. How do you determine who's a Communist? Do you have a method for reading minds? Do you distinguish between Red-Army Capitalists, Maoist Collectivists, Anarcho-Syndicalists, Social Democrats, and Rockerfeller Republicans? Would you cancel US citizenship? Citizens of Red China are Communists, citizens of Russia are Communists and we should rid ourselves of them. So, you're saying that all citizens of Russia and China, even if they're entrepeneurs, merchants, capitalists engaged in [hopefully profitable] business, are really Communists, dedicated to collective ownership of the means of production? Really? One of my wife's coworkers, a COBOL programmer on insurance systems, is a Ukranian Jew, formerly resident in Moscow, who came with her family to the US in 1988. Her husband owns and operates a dry-cleaning business here now. When the USSR collapsed, their citizenship became Russian, and they keep those passports. But by your criteria, even though they're credit-card-carrying Capitalists, they're really Communists and should be deported, is that right? J'z... Yvgenia is a good programmer; if she's deported, your premiums may jump. American citizens who are Communists should not be expelled from the country because they have the right to their own political beliefs. Naturalized as well as native-born citizens? _ _ _ _ _ How about bringing to justice (for treason) all scientists, politicians and US military officials who aided the Red Chinese in obtaining secret and top secret military information. Review the constitutional definition of treason. From the Constitution: Section. 3. Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Rosenbergs were executed after being convicted of treason for giving secrets of the atomic bomb to Russia. Were the Rosenbergs convicted of ESPIONAGE or TREASON? BTW Jefferson Davis was indicted for treason, but not convicted. "Tokyo Rose" and "Axis Sally" were both convicted of treason, and imprisoned. Treason trials have been rare in the US since Aaron Burr, 1805. Clinton, Bush etc. have given aid to the enemy, helped them to get weapons of mass destruction to use against us. IIRC a state of war usually must exist for treason can be committed - or a state of international hysteria, like The Cold War. So if the media whip up a popular frenzy, and/or Congress declares war on China, THEN charges of treason can be brought, against... somebody? Clinton just survived an impeachment attempt - will Congress go after him for treason this year? As long as the economy looks to be thriving, will there be any popular support for treason trials? Ya sure... * no national secrets were sold during production of this message * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: GunKid on Ritalin
ANOTHER SCHOOL SHOOTER ON PRESCRIBED PSYCHOTROPIC One month after the school shooting in Littleton, CO, where the leader of the two dead gunmen was on the mania-inducing drug Luvox, a youth on the mania-inducing drug Ritalin went on a shooting rampage at a high school in Conyers, Georgia. [1] Ritalin, or methylphenidate, is a stimulant that, along with methamphetamine, is classified by the DEA as a Schedule III drug. [2] Ritalin makes "overactive" kids more manageable and obedient. However, in some cases Ritalin can induce mania and "psychotic episodes including hallucinations" that subside upon discontinuation of the drug. [3] Research also shows that Ritalin can cause normal brains to function like schizophrenic brains. As a study published in the journal "Archives of General Psychiatry" (9/88, p.827-32) states [4]: "Methylphenidate induced a pattern of information processing dysfunction similar to that seen in schizophrenic patients... Further, the time course of the observed deficits in both schizophrenic and methyl- phenidate-induced states is strikingly compatible with the temporal mapping pattern of monoaminergic neuronal systems." While doctor-prescribed Ritalin use increased five-fold since 1990 [5], Ritalin is also a popular drug with students as a means to get high. As an article at student.com states [6]: "Some swallow [Ritalin] pills, while others crush tablets into powder and snort the drug like they would cocaine. Students report abuse has become so common -- and students like the drug so much -- that fraternities are stockpiling it with the same vigilance they take to ensure they never run out of beer." Ritalin is also popular on the "Rave scene,"[7] and research shows that its mode of action on the brain is comparable to that of cocaine, [8] which can also trigger violence in some cases. More information on the dangers of Ritalin: http://www.breggin.com/ritalinprnews.html http://www.breggin.com/consensusnihfails.html http://www.syix.com/adsg/linda/ritalin.htm http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan /19990429_xex_doping_our_k.shtml http://home.gci.net/~dougs/ [1] Reuters: "Lawyer Confirms Georgia School Shooter On Ritalin." Tuesday May 25 8:56 AM ET. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story. html?s=v/nm/19990525/ts/crime_shooting_130.html [2] DEA drug classifications: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/csa.htm [3] http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-r03.html [4] Archives of General Psychiatry: "Methylpheni- date-induced information processing dysfunction in nonschizophrenic patients." 1988 Sep;45(9):827-32. [5] http://www.breggin.com/consensusnihfails.html [6] http://www.student.com/article/ritalin [7] http://www.pcb.co.za/users/ravesafe/ritalin.htm [8] (journal) Synapse: "Comparable changes in synaptic dopamine induced by methylphenidate and by cocaine in the baboon brain." January 1999;31(1):59-66. http://igm.nlm.nih.gov GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: THE COVERT TYRANNY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
- SNETNEWS Mailing List The Progressive Review 5/24/99 Sam Smith There is a long tradition of those educated beyond their intelligence believing that politics could be vastly improved if the annoying question of consent of the governed were eliminated and matters left to people like themselves. In this century, manifestations of this self-serving perversion have included the early progressive movement with its government by experts, the rise of government by foundation, and urban regionalization with its transfer of power from elected officials to appointed technocrats. W.J. Clinton and the other Third Wayers are out of the same mold, except that instead of seeking to destroy a city's politics they apparently hope to regionalize and de-democratize the whole globe. These are people, after all, who believe firmly that they -- rather than any policy or program -- are the solution to our problems. This megalomania is rarely expressed directly but a recent article by Vaclav Havel in that intellectual Leisure World for decaying liberals -- The New York Review of Books -- comes close. Here are two excerpts of Havel's defense of the war: "In the next century I believe that most states will begin to change from cultlike entities charged with emotion into far simpler and more civilized entities, into less powerful and more rational administrative units that will represent only one of the many complex and multileveled ways in which our planetary society is organized." "The practical responsibilities of the state -- its legal powers -- can only devolve in two directions, downward or upward; downward, to the nongovernmental organizations and structures of civil society; or upward, to regional, transnational and global organizations." Thus in a few paragraphs, Havel scraps democracy at every level of society leaving us to be run, presumably, by business improvement districts and NATO. It is a profoundly anti-democratic view, because at none of Havel's levels is the consent of the governed considered. We are being asked, I suppose, to scrap that "cultlike entity," the United States of America, for that far more humane one run by General Wesley Clark. Even the United Nations gets short-shrift in this new world order, which should surprise no one observing the Clinton's regime's contempt for that body. The UN -- unlike such independent, non-elected virtual empires such as the World Bank, IMF and NATO -- at least is a controlled creature of representative and non-representative governments. In Havel's vision -- clearly not his alone -- such control will be dispensed with. In his new book, former UN Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali describes Madeleine Albright, that leader of the new world order. She seemed to have, he writes, "little interest in the difficult diplomatic work of persuading her foreign counterparts to go along with the positions of her government, preferring to lecture or speak in declarative sentences, or simply to read verbatim from her briefing books. She seemed to assume that her mere assertion of a US policy should be sufficient to achieve the support of other nations." This is the not the way of a new humanitarianism but of old, pathological imperialism. Hear now the extraordinary reaction to Boutros-Ghali's book by Albright's flack James Rubin: "It was always unfortunate that Mr. Boutros-Ghali did not have the skills to successfully manage the most important relationship for any Secretary General, which is smooth cooperation with the United States." Such shameless and braggartly talk is the sort of thing that is leading the Chinese, Russians and Indians to think in terms of countering empire. Thus through the ignorant arrogance of the most small-minded, narcissistic, and incompetent western leaders of our lifetime, we find ourselves once again in grave danger of global catastrophe. - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: "Bartch, Robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Hey E-Mael, snake any pipes lately Or too busy digressing yourself into obscurity? Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Army prepares for Y2K food crisis (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Not for Commercial Use MONDAY MAY 24, 1999 PANIC IN THE YEAR ZERO Army prepares for Y2K food crisis Undercover Special Forces operatives in distribution center By David M. Bresnahan © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Army Special Forces are engaged in a secret operation to learn how to protect food distribution centers in the event of a Y2K emergency or other disaster, according to witnesses. Information which led to the discovery of the undercover operation came from a witness who worked in the presence of the soldiers who are posing as security guards and temporary workers at one of the largest food distribution centers in the nation. Soldiers are taking part in the exercise to prepare for the possibility they could be called on to protect food distribution warehouses around the country if a Y2K disruption causes civil unrest. They appear to be normal security guards and workers to those who see them, so it was difficult to find corroboration of the claim, which was first reported to WorldNetDaily in April. The exercise began when the local Teamsters went on strike against the Galaxy Logistics food distribution warehouse at 1700 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, Tenn. Temporary workers were called in to keep the very large distribution center functioning. Galaxy Logistics handles food distribution for Kroger Company. Galaxy Logistics Inc. is based in Toronto, Canada. It was formed in 1998 and operates under Tibbett Britten Group North America. Galaxy acquired Kroger's warehouse and entered into an exclusive, multi-year contract with the large international grocery company. Galaxy took over the contracts of an estimated 470 Teamster employees when it acquired the distribution center for an undisclosed amount in August 1998. When the Teamsters went on strike at the end of April, temporary workers were called in to maintain operations. The temporary workers were actually brought to work and received training at least four days prior to the start of the strike. Picket lines have been peaceful and consist of only a few workers with signs, often as few as two. AWF provides security for the large facility and put some soldiers into their company uniforms, enabling them to easily observe and learn at a time when they would not be easily detected, according to a reliable Special Forces source who has worked with WorldNetDaily on other investigative reports. "They need information and experience in order to devise a plan to protect these facilities. It's simply a fact-finding mission," the source explained after some prompting. He was hesitant because this operation is apparently not the only one taking place, although he would not give further details. "Ask me about something specific and I'll see what I can tell you," he stated when asked for locations of similar activities. The soldiers are responding to orders to be prepared to protect and support critical facilities in the event of Y2K-related disruptions. Undercover forces are in the process of gathering information about those facilities now in order to have a plan in place if it is needed. "You've got the picture," he confirmed. "Protection of food distribution centers will be critical if it gets really bad. People will be out of food within days," he explained. Although the Red Cross and the Federal Emergency Management Agency have stated they are prepared to move people to shelters within three to five days of a Y2K disaster, the source said the military believes it will take much longer and many people
[CTRL] Lawyer Confirms Georgia School Shooter On Ritalin
-Caveat Lector- Lawyer Confirms Georgia School Shooter On Ritalin Tuesday, May 25, 1999 CONYERS, Ga. (Reuters) - A lawyer for a schoolboy who police say wounded six classmates in a shooting rampage at a Georgia high school confirmed Tuesday that he was taking the drug Ritalin, usually prescribed for hyperactivity. ``He was taking Ritalin, that was the only medication he was under,'' Atlanta attorney Don Samuel said. ``We're going to be looking at that, but we have no reason to believe that was (the cause).'' None of the six students hit in last Thursday's shooting at Heritage High School in Conyers, Georgia, about 25 miles (40 km) east of Atlanta, suffered life-threatening injuries. Samuel, in an interview with NBC, said he believes accused shooter Thomas ``T.J.'' Solomon, may have suffered some kind of mental problem before he opened fire last Thursday with two guns taken from his stepfather's locked gun cabinet. He was reportedly distraught over the end of a high school romance. ``It (the shooting) is not because he is evil, it's not because he's malicious. Something went terribly wrong in his mind,'' Samuel said. The boy has been charged with aggravated assault, cruelty to children, possession of a firearm and taking weapons on to school grounds. Because he is 15 years old, Solomon would face a maximum of five years in jail if convicted as a juvenile. Rockdale County District Attorney Richard Read, however, filed a court motion Monday asking that Solomon be tried as an adult. The boy's lawyer said he would fight that motion. ``He is a young boy, he is not an adult,'' Samuel said, adding that the youth would get mental health care in a juvenile jail that may not be available in a prison for adults. ``There was no anger, there was no hostility, there was no malice,'' the lawyer said. ``He is everybody's next door neighbor.'' Solomon, who allegedly fired 14 shots inside the school, then put the barrel of the revolver in his own mouth just outside the building. Assistant principal Cecil Brinkley, who retires from a 40-year teaching career Friday, convinced him to surrender. The alleged shooter is being held on 24-hour suicide watch at a juvenile jail in Lawrenceville, Georgia, about 20 miles (32 km) from where the shooting occurred. -- If the government ever tried to disarm the American people it would be open season on feds, and many a gun owner would be disappointed because there just aren't enough feds to go around. ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Conyers, Georgia GunKid on Ritalin
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 5:10 PM Subject: GunKid on Ritalin ANOTHER SCHOOL SHOOTER ON PRESCRIBED PSYCHOTROPIC One month after the school shooting in Littleton, CO, where the leader of the two dead gunmen was on the mania-inducing drug Luvox, a youth on the mania-inducing drug Ritalin went on a shooting rampage at a high school in Conyers, Georgia. [1] Ritalin, or methylphenidate, is a stimulant that, along with methamphetamine, is classified by the DEA as a Schedule III drug. [2] Ritalin makes "overactive" kids more manageable and obedient. However, in some cases Ritalin can induce mania and "psychotic episodes including hallucinations" that subside upon discontinuation of the drug. [3] Research also shows that Ritalin can cause normal brains to function like schizophrenic brains. As a study published in the journal "Archives of General Psychiatry" (9/88, p.827-32) states [4]: "Methylphenidate induced a pattern of information processing dysfunction similar to that seen in schizophrenic patients... Further, the time course of the observed deficits in both schizophrenic and methyl- phenidate-induced states is strikingly compatible with the temporal mapping pattern of monoaminergic neuronal systems." While doctor-prescribed Ritalin use increased five-fold since 1990 [5], Ritalin is also a popular drug with students as a means to get high. As an article at student.com states [6]: "Some swallow [Ritalin] pills, while others crush tablets into powder and snort the drug like they would cocaine. Students report abuse has become so common -- and students like the drug so much -- that fraternities are stockpiling it with the same vigilance they take to ensure they never run out of beer." Ritalin is also popular on the "Rave scene,"[7] and research shows that its mode of action on the brain is comparable to that of cocaine, [8] which can also trigger violence in some cases. More information on the dangers of Ritalin: http://www.breggin.com/ritalinprnews.html http://www.breggin.com/consensusnihfails.html http://www.syix.com/adsg/linda/ritalin.htm http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan /19990429_xex_doping_our_k.shtml http://home.gci.net/~dougs/ [1] Reuters: "Lawyer Confirms Georgia School Shooter On Ritalin." Tuesday May 25 8:56 AM ET. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story. html?s=v/nm/19990525/ts/crime_shooting_130.html [2] DEA drug classifications: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/csa.htm [3] http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-r03.html [4] Archives of General Psychiatry: "Methylpheni- date-induced information processing dysfunction in nonschizophrenic patients." 1988 Sep;45(9):827-32. [5] http://www.breggin.com/consensusnihfails.html [6] http://www.student.com/article/ritalin [7] http://www.pcb.co.za/users/ravesafe/ritalin.htm [8] (journal) Synapse: "Comparable changes in synaptic dopamine induced by methylphenidate and by cocaine in the baboon brain." January 1999;31(1):59-66. http://igm.nlm.nih.gov GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Video Finder, Free Catalogs, Links, Sweepstakes, What-Not: http://www.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wa
[CTRL] Mutant GM Crop Epidemic Scare
-Caveat Lector- MUTANT GM CROP EPIDEMIC SCARE.by Andrew Hennessey please forward to NGO's and pressure groups so that legitimate lobby on public health can begin on behalf of the many who suffer from this toxic crop. A Genetically engineered Oilseed Rape crop has become a local health hazard around the Roslin Institute near Edinburgh. Roslin, world famous for Dolly, Templars and Claims to descent from Christ is now the centre of an epidemic scandal from a mutant crop out of control. Impervious to powerful weedkillers, burning, and ploughing, nothing seems to stop this persistent mutant from spreading to other farms, year after year. It just grows back in and can't be killed said a local agricultural worker. Heavy on toxic pollen, local bouts of an illness akin to hay fever but with more physiologically damaging respiratory inflammation have hit the nearby villages and towns. eg. Lasswade, Penicuik There is widespread illness and medical reaction to the pollen. A survey of local beekeepers suggest 3 out of every 4 local bees are dying. Employees of the Roslin Institute - an area famous for Cloning experiments, 2 headed horses, brain dead cats and a rather large limepit to put the 'errors' in to, have been threatened about the disclosure - which has now reached pressure groups locally. There are 14 other sites of this mutant crop in central Scotland, and as the European Union pays Scottish farmers subsidies to grow Oilseed rape in Central Scotland - almost every farm has fields of the bright yellow flowers, then the likelihood of this outbreak being contained to the locality is low. If the bees cannot take the pollen, the wind will find an easy task spreading the mutant pollen to other fields. It looks like pressure groups are lining up to legally contest the medical damage done by this menace - and yet another reason to ask the European Union which has recently set up 2 new European Commissions 1. The Human Genetics Commission 2. Commission on Agricultire and the Environment to intervene and put an end to the conspiracy of silence surrounding the ill health of the towns and people around Roslin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UK Masonic Agitation
-Caveat Lector- Hmm. I thought all the leading Brits were masons. Must be some kind of intramural warfare. flw THE TIMES (LONDON) May 26 1999 BRITAIN MPs Demand Masonic List BY JILL SHERMAN, WHITEHALL EDITOR POLICE officers and judges who refuse to disclose whether they are Freemasons should be publicly named, the all-party Home Affairs Select Committee said yesterday. The committee also suggested that allegations that Freemasonry could have played a part in miscarriages of justice and other major scandals could not be ruled out. Although there was no proof, the MPs said that there were several cases, including the so-called Stalker affair and the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad scandal, where fears of improper Masonic influence "may well be justified". Both conclusions are contained in a hard-hitting report which accuses the Home Office of dragging its feet over moves to draw up a voluntary register of Freemasons among the police. The report said that among stipendiary magistrates and judges asked to declare whether they were Freemasons, more than 5 per cent either refused to say or failed to reply to the request. Only 5 per cent admitted they were Freemasons. Five per cent of lay magistrates admitted they were Freemasons but more than 14 per cent did not answer the question. The report said that on figures given, as many as 20 per cent of lay magistrates could be Masons and up to 10 per cent of judges and stipendiary magistrates. A similar request among members of the Crown Prosecution Service was answered by only just over half those polled, suggesting that the proportion of Freemasons could be as high as 48 per cent. Jack Straw, the Home Secretary, told the committee that police officers were reluctant to participate because of concern that the information would be made public. But the committee dismissed that concern and called for public access unless there was a compelling reason to the contrary. It said that, if necessary, legislation should be passed to force people to sign the registers and to allow those who refused to take part to be named. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/25/99 6:41:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about no more Most Favored Nation trade status. How about telling them to peddle their wares elsewhere. How about no more Red Chinese and Russians scientists (operatives) in our military research facilities. I'll support these measures wholeheartedly. It seems that this is the least that should be done to the Chinese. Only idiots would question that secrets were stolen, and only idiots would say that those secrets were not meant to be secret for a reason. Further only an idiot would say that China (RED China) is not our sworn enemy. Which then brings up another point, just what the hell are we giving so many good deals to the RED Chinese, when they are IN FACT OUR ENEMY?! Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Remarks by LT. General Griffin (Ret.)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/25/99 6:52:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The genocidal wars waged against Native Americans by numerous US gov'ts weren't 'declared' by Congress, are thus ALL unconstitutional; thus all lands stolen from Native Americans should be returned forthwith, eh? The alternative, that we accept the validity of what's been done, means that we must accept the validity of ALL undeclared wars - ya can't have it both ways. Be consistent - if current actions are wrong and should be redressed, past actions were also wrong and should be corrected. -- I disagree with your assessment. Just because one thing is condoned does not mean it should continue to be condoned. I believe that all lands stolen from the Native Americans really does belong to them, but the feasibility of returning them is simply ridiculous. Just because something was condoned in the past in this regard does not mena that steps should not be taken to rectify the situation. Bad laws are changed all the time when it is realized that they cause more harm than good (or vice versa if you are a despotic government bent on the subjugation of your populace). Some time, something needs to be done, there comes a point when it should be condoned no more. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] thug reno defends decision not to wiretap red thug lee ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/25/99 11:02:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ``The Justice Department has not -- nor will it -- authorize such intrusions when, as in this case, the standards of the Constitution and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) have not been met,'' Reno said in a written statement. Well, I guess I heard it all now. It seems the government DOES follow the Constitution when they WANT to, or at least say they do in order to shield themselves from accountability. Reno is a total disgrace, and the fact that she is trying to defend her actions by saying that it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL is the height of temerity on her part, since most of her actions in office have been unconstitutional or at least highly stupid. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay. 1/2
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/25/99 12:43:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: good critiques of Darwinian evolution. are not, in and of themselves, a good critique of evolution itself. Like Freud or Columbus, Darwin and Wallace were on to something big, but were fairly clueless as to what. Yes, the mind does have definable internal functions. No, they are not static structures. Yes, you can strike land sailing west from Spain. No, it is not India. Yes, life evolves. No, competition alone does not select the survivors. Allow me to recommend an excellent book on the subject, Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution by Peter Kropotkin. It'll open your eyes. The problem is not in the idea of evolution. I think that it is more or less a proven fact. The problem with how this issue polarizes people is the unwillingness of Materialists (which most scientists and most defenders of Darwinian [only the fittest survive] evolution are) to allow for anything that does not fit their paradigm, i.e., non-materiality, spirituality, etc. The same is true for "true believers" and others of less ideological bent who refuse to accept ANY amount of evolution and do not recognize it as a function in nature. There should be room for both. I have no problem accepting evolution in some fashion (the exact actions and functions and extent thereof is still open to much debate) and allowing room for a non-materiality in the universe as well, hence my interests in the paranormal which has no counterpart in Material Rationalism. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/25/99 12:59:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The highest percentage of shootings are drug related. Actually, the highest percentage of shootings are drug MONEY related. End drug prohabition and the profit motive ceases to be a factor in drug use, the drug user's prime reason to recruit evaporates, as does the vast overwhelming majority of all crimes. Before prohibition drug abuse was a tiny percent of all recreational drug use and was only a problem for the individual involved and for his doctor. It had no effect on the rest of society. After prohibition came into effect drug abuse mushroomed, and crime with it. The cost to society of prohibition has been enormous, and nothing, NOTHING, has been gained. End it NOW. Before we ban guns all together this is the FIRST thing that should be done. Decriminalizing drugs would solve a whole bucket of problems, one of the most important being that which is identified above. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Witness at Columbine coerced after interview
-Caveat Lector- From another list. Teo1000 When reading remember how the government treats eyewitness testimony, especially in the TWA800 affair, and apparently this one as well. ALL witnesses who see what we deem is what happened are okey-dokey, all witnesses who see something else ARE JUST PLAIN WRONG, or delusional, mistaken, a conspiracy theorist, etc. . . Gotta love that gubmint. . . WITNESS PRESSURED BY AUTHORITIES AFTER STATEMENTS PUBLISHED!! ©1999 John A. Quinn NewsHawk Inc All Rights Reserved. (NOTICE-PLEASE DO NOT PHONE THE WISHER FAMILY!) Seattle radio talk-show host Mike Webb (710AM/KIRO) and myself devoted over an hourto the many troubling inconsistencies, peculiarities, indications of coverup regarding the Columbine tragedy and possible reasons for such on his show of 5/20/99. Webb had talked with Wisher himself prior to my conversation--described below--with Chris's mother on 5/19/99. Of particular concern in what Mike Webb relayed on the air was the following statement: that Chris had told Webb during their talk that subsequent to the publication of my original interview with Chris on 5/7/99, he was questioned again by investigators, who found it desirable to "help" Chris "understand that it may have been ONLY HARRIS AND KLEBOLD" he witnessed, and that he could have been confused and disoriented by the situation! How INTERESTING investigators made such a pointed effort to rearrange, distort and otherwise tamper with Chris's recollections AFTER publication of the interview with him! It should be noted as well that Chris's own mother stated that a GREAT NUMBER of Columbine students are aware that a MANY other perpetrators were involved in the mayhem at the school. I can prove through phone records and my recordings that I have talked with occupants of the Wisher household on 6 different occasions. Two of these times I talked with Chris, the first time for abut 40 minutes. What Chris said is what he said. He's the witness, not me. On 5/19/99 I talked to Chris Wisher's mother. Although a bit upset that my Internet article has generated a lot of phone inquiries to their house, she did spend about 15 minutes talking. She told me MANY of the kids from Columbine saw other people with weapons. She also told me that some of these kids just can't and won't go back to school because some of the people who were shooting are indeed there, back in school. She confirmed every major point Chris told me. She told me that many, probably a HUNDRED or more, Columbine students witnessed other gunmen in the assault and that MANY of these will not go back to class because some of these assailants are back in school. Unlike myself, she feels that with so many eyewitnesses to other assailants there is no way the police would be able to pull off a coverup, regardless of the reasons for doing so (we didn't really get into that). I hope she's right. I myself am not so sure, based on the most recent statements from investigators. Mrs. Wisher also said she had personal knowledge that a female student was pressured into changing her testimony by Sheriff's Dep't. investigators. Unfortunately I was NOT aware at the time of our conversation that HER SON had been re-contacted by investigators and subjected to THE SAME TACTICS! I doubt if she was aware of this either. Why are the cops trying to get students to change what they're saying about what happened? She didn't have an answer to that, but I do. Because if you put together the fact that there undeniably WERE so many other people involved, plus things like how other perpetrators GET AWAY; and get AWAY WITH IT?!, you can only come up with one logical conclusion. That the at least SOME of the other people involved were NOT even students, but people connected to the covert (of COURSE!) government. ©1999 John A. Quinn NewsHawk Inc All Rights Reserved. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
[CTRL] BREAKING NEWS
-Caveat Lector- Posted to CIA-Drugs list; May 25, 1999 From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS - (c) Copyright 1999. Michael C. Ruppert, From The Wilderness Publications www.copvcia.com. All Rights Reserved House Intelligence Committee Holds Surprise Closed Door Hearings on CIA and Drugs in Los Angeles Maxine Waters denied admission after written request PENDING H.U.D. SCANDAL C0NNECTING CIA TO SOUTH CENTRAL MAY HAVE PROMPTED SURPRISE MOVE Tuesday, May 25, 1999 - 1450 PST In a move which still has many leaders on both coasts reeling from its suddenness, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) today held closed door hearings, "on allegations that the CIA is involved in drug trafficking in California." A posting announcing the hearings was placed on a Congressional web site directory announcing upcoming events sometime late Friday and was not noted by Congressional staffers until Monday or Tuesday. Maxine Waters (D), California, who has been an outspoken critic of CIA involvement was not notified directly and her staff did not catch the announcement until sometime on Monday, according to sources in the Congresswoman's DC office. A source in Waters' office told From The Wilderness, "We sent a letter requesting that the Congresswoman be admitted to the hearings over by messenger this morning. The request was denied." Waters, who has been in the forefront on the issue has received both criticism and praise for her handling of the issue in recent months. Appearing at a private fund raising event for tribunals held by the Institute for Policy Studies at USC this past weekend, Waters discussed her recent efforts on the subject. These included the passage of an amendment she had written for the Intelligence Appropriations Measure (HR 1555) which prohibits CIA from engaging in drug trafficking. The wording of the HPSCI announcement, however, leaves many confused as to the exact subject of the hearings. The only pending hearings in HPSCI are on the subject of Volume II which is not about Los Angeles but about CIA Contra involvement throughout the Contra war - all over the hemisphere. The Los Angeles connection to CIA/Contra activities was discussed in an open door session in Washington on March 16, 1998 and was focused on the contents of Volume I of a CIA Inspector General report prepared by retired CIA Inspector General Fredrick P. Hitz in 1997. When questioned, a receptionist at HPSCI stated this afternoon that she did not know whether today's hearings were on Volume II or not. She stated that all staffers were inside the hearings and that no one was available to provide any further information at the moment. A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION The Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), a Washington, D.C. based think-tank held public hearings on Drug Policy at the University of California on Saturday and Sunday May 22 23. The tribunals, attended by the academic and journalistic "Who's Who" of CIA and drugs, were well publicized in advance. This writer attended those tribunals and found them enormously useful but not revelatory in terms of breaking news. A private fundraiser was held Saturday night at which Maxine Waters spoke of her recent efforts. In a conversation with this writer it was apparent the she had no hint of today's hearings. NOTE: Recent articles by this writer, connecting Volume II to the Impeachment of Bill Clinton, did not soften the public relationship of this writer and Waters who publicly embraced me and openly acknowledged my work at the fundraiser. I really believe that, within the realities of the system, Maxine wants to find and answer. - MCR] The day before the tribunals however, at USC, From The Wilderness and former Bush Assistant Secretary of Housing, Catherine Austin Fitts, released an exclusive article connecting CIA drug trafficking in South Central Los Angeles to HUD mortgage defaults and apparent ethnic cleansing in Los Angeles. The Friday night press conference was attended by CNN and The L.A. WEEKLY newspaper. Advance copies of Fitts' article in From The Wilderness were distributed to at least one member of Congress and two news organizations on Wednesday and Thursday. The substance of Fitts' article was to produce documentary evidence showing a clearly traceable pattern of HUD backed mortgage defaults in the heart of South Central Los Angeles and to connect that data to the revelations that the CIA had been connected to LA crack cocaine kingpin Ricky Ross. Fitts, fired by Housing Secretary Jack Kemp in 1990, had become a hugely successful investment banker in 1996 working with HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros to auction defaulted mortgages into the private sector. Fitts attended the IPS tribunals with this writer on Saturday and spoke directly with Maxine Waters at the fundraiser on Saturday evening. It was because of data bases developed by Fitts' firm, Hamilton, in 1996 that Fitts now believes she was
[CTRL] FWD: algore vs US Constitution
-Caveat Lector- People For the American Way Press Release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 CONTACT: Nancy Coleman, David Elliot or Lela Shepard at 202-467-4999 NEW GORE PROPOSAL IS A LOSE-LOSE FOR THE CONSTITUTION, PFAW WARNS A newly announced proposal by presidential hopeful Al Gore would undermine the First Amendment by entangling government in the operations of churches, People For the American Way warned today. The proposal, which Gore announced his support for yesterday, parallels a measure introduced last year by Republican Senator John Ashcroft. It would authorize the payment of federal dollars to churches that provide social services such as drug and alcohol counseling. In a letter to the candidate, People For the American Way's President Carole Shields expressed disappointment at Gore's decision to back a proposal that poses considerable danger to both the Constitution and to churches that might seek to receive government funds. "What you are proposing is a constitutional lose-lose situation," Shields wrote. "This proposal will go wrong either way -- either it will undermine the Constitution by supporting the practice of religion or it will undermine the churches' freedom by imposing limits on religious expression." The government currently gives support to religiously affiliated organizations such as Catholic and Jewish relief agencies that are separate from the churches or synagogues themselves. The Ashcroft measure which Gore has now embraced would channel tax dollars directly to churches whose overriding purpose is the observance and promotion of a particular religious faith. Shields letter also chided Gore for distorting the position and good faith of people who oppose the use of public dollars for religious purposes. "Caricaturing opposition to this measure as 'hollow secularism' -- including religious leaders from all across the spectrum of faiths -- adds heat but no light to a serious debate that involves our most fundamental rights," Shields wrote. "Such divisive rhetoric is unworthy of this debate and undeserved by people who are wrestling with these issues in good faith." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sign Petition to stop the War
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.eagleforum.org/column/"1999 Index to Phyllis Schlafly Columns /A http://www.eagleforum.org/column/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UK Masonic Agitation
-Caveat Lector- RONNIE BIERL IS A MASON. He is from a Masonic Family in Roseville, Michigan He was (during the early 60's) .a/the Secret Gigolo of HRH Prince CHARLES when he (Bierl) was less than fifteen years old!!! I guess that makes Prince CHARLES (at least) a Child-Molesting PEDOPHILE and BISEXUAL! So are - that is to say FREEMASONS - all the Male Members of the British Royal Family and all Have Been for many Centuries I believe the vast majority of all Male Members of European Royalty and/or Nobility are/have been for Many Centuries FREEMASONS but I only have personal knowledge of BIERL and PRINCE CHARLES See my http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/rattelslang/scandal.html for the lowdown on Ronnie BIERL and see my http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/rattelslang/mylistpage.html for a complete click-on links-accessible list of all my Pacific Paradise websites. They are just filled with accusations, allegations, scandal and slander!!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] klintoon to receive merit? increase in pay to #400,00 [crime pays??]
-Caveat Lector- Congress considers a presidential pay raise Chief executive's salary has not increased in 30 years May 24, 1999 Web posted at: 6:30 p.m. EDT (2230 GMT) WASHINGTON (May 24) -- A House panel looking into the first presidential pay raise in 30 years was urged by a group of former presidential advisers Monday to at least double the chief executive's annual salary to $400,000 or more. House legislation to double the current presidential salary of $200,000 would first apply to President Bill Clinton's successor in January 2001. The provision has been included in a $13.7 billion spending bill for the Treasury, White House and other agencies approved by a House Appropriations subcommittee. Presidential pay raise history September 24, 1789 $ 25,000 salary March 3, 1873 $ 50,000 salary March 4, 1909 $ 75,000 salary January 19, 1949 $100,000 salary $ 50,000 expense account January 20, 1969 $200,000 salary $ 50,000 expense account Another House subcommittee held hearings on the matter Monday. They heard from seven former top presidential aides, representatives of think tanks and private specialists in executive compensation who nearly all said the proposed salary increase was justified and overdue. "This is not even a close call," Kenneth Duberstein, President Reagan's chief of staff from 1988 to 1989, told a House Government Reform subcommittee. "This needs to be addressed now. It is a case of simple equity." The measure has the bipartisan support of Republicans congressional leaders and the Clinton Administration. The last time the president's pay was adjusted as in 1969. One reason for raising the president's salary: other officials, like the chief justice, get annual cost of living increases and in a few years, they'd wind up making more than the president. If the current $200,000 had been adjusted annually for inflation as measured by the consumer price index, it would now be $923,000, said Jane Weizmann, senior consultant for Watson Wyatt Worldwide, a human resources consulting firm. Freezing the salary at $200,000 has caused "pay compression," the witnesses told lawmakers Monday, meaning other top federal salaries are being held down for fear of surpassing the president's. This has created recruiting problems because talented people could make more money in the private sector, said the witnesses. The first Congress voted to pay George Washington, the first president, $25,000 a year, which was a lot of money back then. Washington, a successful man, didn't take the money. The salary went up to $50,000 for Ulysses Grant's second term, making him one of the world's best paid heads of state at the time. William Howard Taft was in office in 1909 when figure was raised another $25,000 to $75,000. The salary was raised to $100,000 during Harry Truman's second term and a $50,000 expense account was also established. Congress last raised the pay to $200,000, with the amount allotted for expenses holding still; Richard Nixon, in his second term, was the first beneficiary, and the salary has sat there ever since. Of course, presidents get other perks, like classy public housing. But they pay for food and drink; Thomas Jefferson left the White house in debt, having spent $10,000 just on wine. Presidents get an airplane to travel in, and on top of their expense account they have an entertainment allowance. And the pension is good: the same as a cabinet officer's salary, just over $148,000 a year. Do U.S. presidents need the money? Well, some, like Franklin Roosevelt, came to office rich, but others, like Truman, did not. Only one, aside from Washington, ever refused to accept a salary: John Kennedy. CNN's Bruce Morton and The Associated Press contributed to this report. http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/05/24/pay.raise/ Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] thugs
-Caveat Lector- four simple categories of thugs: The Thug Immortal is the largest kind of thug. They tend to do thuggish deeds regardless circumstances. They tend to have bank, and their actions tend to be for the sheer pleasure of being a thug. They've been caught and don't care. Books tend to be written about these individuals both while living and not. It is a small wonder that they are still alive, not still in prison, or that haven't had to rescind their office. The Thug Outlaw has not been caught or their full potential as thugs has not been realized. They enjoy their thuggish nature, but these thugs tend to not have the bank that could enable them to be Thugs Immortal. They can still be weighed down by their public appearances and contacts. The third type of thug is the Pretty Thug. These thugs tend to be young, broke, and unskilled in the art of manipulating their environments, but they do have the drive and potential to become Outlaw or Immortal thugs. They've done some thuggish things, but haven't followed up. The power that they do have tends to be wasted on small concepts, simply because they don't know how to attain bigger and better things. Last and the least of thugs are the Petty Thugs. They are pretenders that are merely pawns in the large scheme of things. They have no real power, and have no clue of what the large scheme of things. They enjoy the thought of being a thug without actually attaining it. Their lives are filled with rumor and speculation. http://www.chsmith.com/pol/thug.htm Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez
-Caveat Lector- May be they want China to be strong enough to replace the USSR as a cold war adversary? Howard Davis -- From: Teo One Thousand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] China Leaped When Clinton Elected Prez Date: Tue, May 25, 1999, 9:42 PM -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/25/99 6:41:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about no more Most Favored Nation trade status. How about telling them to peddle their wares elsewhere. How about no more Red Chinese and Russians scientists (operatives) in our military research facilities. I'll support these measures wholeheartedly. It seems that this is the least that should be done to the Chinese. Only idiots would question that secrets were stolen, and only idiots would say that those secrets were not meant to be secret for a reason. Further only an idiot would say that China (RED China) is not our sworn enemy. Which then brings up another point, just what the hell are we giving so many good deals to the RED Chinese, when they are IN FACT OUR ENEMY?! Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substanceónot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Seedlessness
-Caveat Lector- From www.iwpr.net Seeds Of Discontent While many families have been left without an income, harvests are at risk and some local authorities are breaking ranks with Belgrade to impose war-time rationing. By a journalist in Novi Sad After two months of NATO bombing, the daily struggle of most Serbs to put food on the table has become so severe even the regime media has had to acknowledge it. A recent issue of the Belgrade daily Glas Javnosti focused on the fortunes of the Petrovic family from Lenin Boulevard in New Belgrade. Although all four members work--the father is an engineer, the mother a teacher, and the two children combine studies with menial jobs-- they are forced to borrow money towards the end of every month just to meet their food bill. If the Petrovic's--with their four pay packets--are struggling to make ends meet, conditions for the bulk of the population are even more difficult. The average monthly income for those in work is about 1,000 dinars (100 German Marks), and many families are without a single breadwinner. With no sign of an early end to NATO's air campaign, many analysts fear that conditions will deteriorate in the coming months to such an extent that hunger could effect vulnerable sections of Serbian society by late autumn. In an effort to head off food supply problems, authorities in Nis, Serbia's third city, and elsewhere, have introduced rationing--moves which Belgrade deems unnecessary. "The decision of some towns in Serbia concerning the provision of foodstuffs by means of coupons is illegal and their withdrawal has been ordered," says Serbian Trade Minister Zoran Krstic. He claims that food supplies are much as before the war and that shortages of sugar, cooking oil, rice and other basic commodities are temporary, caused by unnecessary hoarding. Whatever the case, shops in much of the country now lack many essential products and the black market is thriving. Moreover, the availability of food will worsen if this year's harvest is poor. Publicly, government officials remain optimistic. Vojvodina Prime Minister Bosko Perosevic boasts that 97 per cent of arable land in his province, Yugoslavia's breadbasket which produces between 80 and 90 per cent of the country's agricultural products, has been successfully sowed "despite NATO aggression". "Yields of wheat will reach roughly the same level as the average in recent years," he says. "And the barley yield is expected to be greater than in previous years." With equal optimism, Perosevic also forecasts good harvests for corn, sunflower and sugar beat. Federal Agriculture Minister Nedeljko Sipovac goes further, insisting, "We have a sure and secured supply for citizens of food, meat, milk and their products, as well as a surplus of these products for export." Agricultural experts do not share the politicians' optimism. They fear catastrophically low yields in Vojvodina's farms this year. If their prognoses prove accurate, this could seriously threaten the supply of food for the Serbian market. Even before the NATO bombing campaign, Milorad Rajic, a leading farming expert, had warned that this year's harvest would be poor because of poor preparations for the spring sowing. He says that farmers failed to plough their fields properly in the winter, did not have sufficient money to buy seeds, were unable to acquire sufficient fuel and artificial fertilisers, and did not have adequate machinery and spare parts. Although Vojvodina's soil is exceptionally fertile, lack of investment during the past decade has caused yields to fall. The average age of tractors, combine harvesters and other farming machines is more than 15 years. Many are no longer operational and only kept for spare parts. Most farmers are so impoverished that they cannot afford to buy necessary parts, let alone new machines. As a result, Vojvodina now generates just three-and-a-half tonnes of wheat per hectare, compared with more than five tonnes in Hungary, seven in the United Kingdom and eight in the Netherlands. Ljiljana Vasic, president of the Alliance of Co-operatives of Vojvodina, said on the eve of the sowing that she fears that Serbia will soon have to import not only sugar and cooking oil, but also wheat and corn. She warned that yields of agricultural products in Vojvodina have dropped to 1965 levels. Since the NATO bombing, farmers have required coupons for fuel. In April, they were entitled to 8 litres of fuel for each hectare; in May only 4 litres. They say that with so little fuel they can hardly reach their farms, let alone work on them. Wheat harvesting should begin in about a month's time. However, without an end to the war and additional fuel supplies, much of the wheat will likely stay in the fields and rot. Even if conditions do improve and there is a peace agreement, there are not enough working combine harvesters to complete the harvest. Transporting agricultural products from farms to storage silos and
[CTRL] Making Sense ...
-Caveat Lector- From OriginalSources.CoM Picture: Original Sources Scroll -- Making Sense In a Senseless World of Bombing Friends and Protecting Enemy Spies A "Military Target" to Bill Clinton, Like the Word "Sex" and "Is" Has Been Redefined By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources (http://www.originalsources.com) May 25, 1999 Each day I try to analyze and make sense of the day's news. Folks, it's getting harder with every passing day. Today is going to be an incredible day. First, this is the 63rd day that President William Clinton has sent American bombers over Yugoslavia to, he says, bomb military targets. A "military target" to Bill Clinton, like the word "sex" and the word "is" has been redefined. It no longer means a military target. In Clintonspeak it now is the water and electrical supply for a nation's civilians. Does Clinton realize that the Yugoslav Army Command is in underground bunkers which are not dependent upon the civilian electrical and water system? Of course he does. He merely has redefined "military target" so that the civilians killed, 30% of whom are babies and children, are now "military targets." Yesterday I posted a copy of the War Powers Act, which points out that "It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations. * (b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof. * (c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces. Sec. 1542. Consultation; initial and regular consultations The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations. Among all the other national and international laws Bill Clinton has broken, the War Powers Act is now about to be called upon by twenty- five members of Congress, led by Rep. Tom Campbell (R-CA). Sec. 1544. Congressional action * (a) Transmittal of report and referral to Congressional committees; joint request for convening Congress Each report submitted pursuant to section 1543 (a)(1) of this title shall be transmitted to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate on the same calendar day. Each report so transmitted shall be referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives and to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate for appropriate action. If, when the report is transmitted, the Congress has adjourned sine die or has adjourned for any period in excess of three calendar days, the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate, if they deem it advisable (or if petitioned by at least 30 percent of the membership of their respective Houses) shall jointly request the President to convene Congress in order that it may consider the report and take appropriate action pursuant to this section. * (b) Termination of use of United States Armed Forces; exceptions; extension period Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 1543(a)(1) of this title, whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of
[CTRL] Turkish Views
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis Why is Turkey supporting the war against Serbia? By Justus Leicht 26 May 1999 Back to screen version Turkey has made its military air facilities available to NATO for the alliance's attacks against Yugoslavia, as well as supplying F-16 fighter jets as escorts for the squads of bombers. In recent days Turkish planes have directly taken part in the bombing, and Turkey has provided several hundred men for NATO ground missions. In contradistinction to the United States and Europe, the media and politicians in Turkey have not limited their arguments for participation in the war to the plight of the Albanian population in Kosovo. From time to time they have quite bluntly asserted the real aims behind the war: the control of the Balkans as a strategically and economically important region. On May 17 a commentary by a former Turkish ambassador, Sukru Elekdag, appeared in the newspaper Milliyet, dealing at length with Turkish, NATO and Western interests in the region: Turkey is deeply concerned with the security and stability of the Balkans because of her geo-strategic interests, and has to follow an active policy towards this region. The Balkan peninsula is an advanced defence zone for Thrace, the Turkish Straits and Istanbul. Therefore, Ankara's sensitivity toward the conflicts and geopolitical changes in the region has an understandable source Turkey, in a key location and a bridge between three continents, has a unique geo- political identity within the region, controlling all the communication lines via air, land or sea. With its location Turkey is a focus of power not only for the Balkans, but also for the Caucasus- Central Asia corridor and the Middle East. If the future EU strategy is to open itself up to Eurasia, Turkey's integration with the defence system of the [European] Union is a must (quoted from Anadolu Agency). Control over the region from the Adriatic to Asiaknown historically as the Silk Roadwas already dealt with in the Milliyet of April 26 . A report on the NATO summit read as follows: President Suleyman Demirel, who delivered a speech during the Silk Road' countries meeting organised with the participation of a number of Central Asian and Caucasian countries as part of the NATO summit in the US, remarked that the Silk Road is still of remarkable geo-political significance, and that Turkey functions as a bridge between the East and the West. Demirel also noted that there are ongoing efforts to facilitate the Baku-Ceyhan Pipeline and Transcaucasian energy corridor, which will supplement peace and stability in the region (Anadolu Agency). In the West, Turkey's arch-rival Greece and its ally Serbia stand in the way. Turkey is therefore deliberately using the war against Yugoslavia to secure its domination in the Balkans in opposition to Greece. On May 21 a commentary along these lines appeared in Hürriyet, shortly after it was made known that Turkish bombers would not just act as escorts, but actively take part in the bombing: What can be the reasons or expectations which have changed our policy? President Demirel has answered this question with the statement that we cannot act like Greece. This statement shows that the main consideration is to place Turkey above Greece, which is standing close to Serbia. The president went on to say that loyalty was one of the main factors in deciding Turkish policy. He added that Turkey was a first-class member of NATO, and to drop to the position of a second- or third-class member would go against Turkey's interests. In NATO, Turkey is among the top five states, and she should not lose this position. This means that the decision is being taken to consolidate Turkey's position in the West and strengthen its pro-Western policy (Anadolu Agency). The enormous economic and political significance of the Silk Road and the status of the pipeline from Baku in Aserbaidjan on the Caspian Sea to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan is explained in a report from the May 17 Turkish Daily News on the Trade Exhibition Petroleum 99, which was also featured in other Turkish newspapers: Energy will remain one of the most critical factors in national economies in the twenty-first century, said [Turkish] Energy and Natural Resources Minister Ziya Aktas. Aktas made a speech at the Petroleum '99 fair on Caspian Petroleum and Turkey's Strategy over the Transportation of Petroleum'. He said that providing for the transportation, distribution and marketing of energy is as important as owning energy sources for strengthening one's position in international bargaining talks. Turkey is a natural bridge between the Middle East and Central Asia, where most of the world's energy sources are located, and Western countries, which are the major consumers of
[CTRL] (Fwd) Children, and drugs...
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:15:37 -0700 From: David Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Children, and drugs... Post Number 33: Children, and legal drugs Isnt is amazing what we permit to be done to our children in the name of profit? Oh, I know, this is not what we are told is being done, but it is hard to draw any other conclusion, if we are willing to look at the facts, and not the nonsense handed out as justification for the millions of dollars paid to the people who promote and distribute, not to mention manufacture, the so-called legal drugs handed out by the fistful to our children. And this begs the question, just why are we doing this? It is hard to deny that the major reason is economics. In Scripture, we are told that the root of ALL evil is the LOVE of money. This is true even when those promoting such things as drugs are not to blame, and they do not force us to put our children in their schools. In fact, there are specific laws which say we do not have too. But, the draw of a bigger house, more toys, another car or TV, and, of course, a vacation, counts for more. So, judge who is to blame, and what is going on starting with yourself. And I know many people who have made other choices, and, yes, they are poorer, in your eyes. Certainly not in mine. They survive on one wage, and are stigmatized as poor although in Truth, they are far richer. I have received many replies about the Post on Ritalin, most very encouraging that more are becoming aware. A few, of course, bitter in sound. One in particular spoke of his Christianity, and if the Christian teachers in the public school where his children go. I gave the above answer, of course, and then asked: Those Christian teachers you refer to, are they the ones teaching evolution to your children, without the benefit of the research done by such as the Institute for Creation Research? Or the ones who help the schools classify your children as needing drugs, so the school can cash in on the extra money offered by the federal government? You know, I am just curious, if you really understand what being a Christian is all about. Cause it is not about money, if you understand the term, that is. But I have had some excellent, understanding replies as well: Actually, the secret of Ritalin is all related to money. It seems that there is a federal program that classifies children that take Ritalin as Behavior Disordered. Such BD children are worth about 5,000 dollars to a school system in extra federal money. If a child is in any so called special education class, this is worth big bucks too. That includes children that are gifted and have very high IQs. Special classes for these children are now called Special Ed, just to get federal dollars. The problem is that such SE labeled children are downgraded when applying to good schools at a later date. An employer looking at their school records will only see that such a child had a history of SE, and is classified in the same group as children that are violent, retarded, physically handicapped and so on. I know a woman whose grandchild maintains a 4.0 average and was denied admittance to a private school just because he was labeled SE. JB WorldNetDaily: DOPING OUR KIDS Even as America wages a freedom-demolishing "War on Drugs," there is underway one of the most massive doping campaigns in the history of the US. The doping of children in school with psychotropic drugs with the intent of making children more manageable. These mind-altering drugs posses a witch's brew of adverse/toxic side effects, including psychotic mania. The following WND article presents important relevant facts: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990429_xex_doping_our_k.sht ml DOPING OUR KIDS Prescription drugs at root of violence, says expert By David M. Bresnahan 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Mind altering drugs may be the cause of violence among school children, according to some doctors and other experts. Millions of children are legally taking drugs similar to cocaine in schools every day. The drugs are Ritalin, Prozac, and others. The claims that behavioral drugs cause violence in children came after news reports that Eric Harris, one of the shooters in the Columbine High School shooting, was reported to have been taking such medication. Harris was also rejected by the Marines for medical reasons. The Marines would only say that anyone who is currently being treated by a doctor would be rejected. Other shootings and violent acts at schools across the nation have been committed by children receiving psychiatric care, counseling, and drugs such as Ritalin, according to several groups. At least two organizations claim that over-use of Ritalin is to blame for the escalating incidents of children committing acts of violence on other
[CTRL] (Fwd) [ma] CFR Bioethics
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- /\/\eta-axio/\/\ Mailing List -=-=-=- Source: roundtable [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: belgrave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sunday May 23, 1999 The Washington Post reported that an ethics panel appointed by Council on Foreign Relations President BJ Clinton, recommended the US government begin funding research on human embryos despite a ban imposed against such experimentation by Congress. The ethics panel is called the National Bioethics Advisory Commission. The National Bioethics Advisory Commission was established by Council on Foreign Relations member President BJ Clinton through Executive Order #12975 [http://frwebgate2.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=688091910 7+0+0+ 0WAISaction=retrieve], and met for the first time in October 1996. The National Bioethics Advisory Commission is a Council on Foreign Relation extension into government. The Council on Foreign Relations is using the National Bioethics Advisory Commission to change public policies that govern us all to provide public funding of Council on Foreign Relations controlled medical and university human subject experimentation and research. The public policies that govern us all impose a ban by Congress on funding research on human embryos. The Council on Foreign Relations established and controlled National Bioethics Advisory Commission has concluded it is potentially unfair for Congress to continue its 4-year-old funding ban on human embryo research. A draft version of a new National Bioethics Advisory Commission report calls for legislation to allow federally-financed researchers to conduct studies on leftover embryos from fertility clinics if the embryos were no longer wanted by the parents who made them. Gary Ellis, director of the National Institute of Health's Office for protection from Research Risks told an University of Minnesota audience, that the chief "catalytic event" in creation of the new National Bioethics Advisory Commission was 1993 publicity regarding 1940s experiments during which plutonium was injected into human subjects. When Council on Foreign Relations member President BJ Clinton needed someone to chair the National Bioethics Advisory Commission that would provide "guidance to federal agencies on the ethical conduct of current and future human biological and behavioral research," he chose Council on Foreign Relations member Harold Tafler Shapiro. Council on Foreign Relations member Shapiro is President of Princeton University and Professor of Economics and Public Affairs. He earned a Bachelors Degree in Commerce from McGill University in Canada, and a M.A. and Ph.D. in economics from Princeton University. Council on Foreign Relations member John Gibbons, assistant to Council on Foreign Relations member President BJ Clinton for science and Technology, said, "The President's selection of President Shapiro to head the National Bioethics Advisory Commission is the best possible barometer of the importance that the White House attaches to these issues, Dr. Shapiro is a respected scholar and leader whose thoughtful contributions have helped shape public policy in science and education, and his willingness to accept this appointment is a guarantor that the commission's work will be thorough and deliberate." Council on Foreign Relations member Shapiro has had previous experience in Washington, D.C., and a long-standing interest in medical issues. He served on Council on Foreign Relations member President Bush's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology from 1990 to 1992, and he chaired the Institute of Medicine's Committee on Employer-Based Health Benefits. Former chair of the executive board of the University of Michigan Hospitals, he is currently a trustee of the University of Pennsylvania Medical Center and a director of Dow Chemical Co. He is also chair of the board of trustees of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation and a trustee of the Universities Research Association. In February of 1997, following reports of the successful cloning of a sheep, Council on Foreign Relations President BJ Clinton asked the National Bioethics Advisory Commission to review the profound ethical issues raised by the possible cloning of human beings. On June 9, 1997, Council on Foreign Relations member Commission Chair Harold Shapiro, presented the Commission report to the President. The Commission found unanimously that it is morally unacceptable for anyone to attempt to create a child with the technology used to create Dolly the sheep. The Commission also found that the new technology may have many agricultural and medical benefits, including the development of medicines, therapies for diseases such as cancer, cystic fibrosis, and diabetes, and prospects for repair and regeneration of human tissues. The Commission concluded that the cloning of DNA, cells, tissues, and non-human animals --using somatic cell
[CTRL] The prescription for the NRA?
-Caveat Lector- Now that I've gotton my signature out of the way...let's rephrase question #2: 2: How far does the link between Ritalin and the increase in school shootings run, who, or what organization, is most directly involved in pushing for the spread and/or usage of the medication, and what, if any, is their connection to anyone in the Clinton White House? I believe if anyone can honestly, accurately, and intelligently answer this post...the whole list will see that these children were probably/possibly used to significantly advance the program for the immenant removal of guns from the hands of Americans citizens. Rich --- Boats, Beaches, Bars Ballads long after the New World Order! CCNmail for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ccnmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WAR AGAINST COLD FUSION?
-Caveat Lector- From the latest GSReport; WHAT'S BEHIND THE WAR AGAINST COLD FUSION? [This text by Silicon Valley writer and broadcaster Hal Plotkin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reproduced with permission. Plotkin invites all readers to print out this text and send it to your Congressional representatives. A longer version is posted at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/technology/archive/1999/05/1 7/ coldfusion2.dtl. GSReport thanks Dan Drasin for bringing this story to our attention.] By Hal Plotkin Special to SF Gate May 17, 1999 Dr. Michael McKubre, an electrochemist at Menlo Park, California-based SRI, was generating unaccounted-for heat in a carefully-controlled cold fusion experiment. McKubre presented his findings at the centennial meeting of the American Physical Society, the nation's premier gathering of physicists. Close to 100 scientists attended McKubre's talk, a sizable audience for a technical session. Despite the crowd, and the importance of the subject, no major news stories have been published about the event. According to McKubre, there was only one journalist present. In his talk, McKubre detailed the results of SRI's nearly 10-year effort to replicate the work of Utah chemists Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann. McKubre confirmed that, under the right, difficult-to-achieve conditions, sustained reactions are taking place in SRI's cold fusion cells. McKubre says the reaction appears to be nuclear in origin. In addition to carefully measuring the excess heat being produced, McKubre has also detected elevated quantities of Helium-4, a known fusion by-product. McKubre's findings turn what is currently known about nuclear science on its head. But that is only half the story. Since writing my first report on McKubre's work two months ago, I've become convinced that the federal Department of Energy is responsible for a massive failure to serve the public interest. Rather than budget the funds needed to explore this new, emerging science, our top national energy science officials have adopted what might be called, at best, a policy of benign neglect. At worst, it's a policy of fraud and deceit. How could this be happening? The stakes in the debate about cold fusion are enormous. In this case, an unholy alliance seems to have come together. The principle players are the fossil fuel industry, which has no interest in seeing itself eclipsed by a new, non-polluting source of energy, and the mainstream physics community, which wants to protect, seemingly at all costs, the federal funding it relies on to continue its massively expensive hot fusion experiments. I've seen how squirrelly even good people can get when a few of their bucks are in jeopardy. So it's not surprising that when several trillion dollars are on the table, there are signs of skullduggery. Take, for starters, the Energy Resources Advisory Board (ERAB) panel appointed during the Bush administration to look into the cold fusion claims made by Pons and Fleischmann. That panel leaned heavily on an experiment done at MIT that found the field unworthy of financial support. Since then, however, Dr. Eugene Mallove, the chief science writer at MIT at the time, has come forward to denounce the MIT study, citing irregularities in the way MIT's results were presented. Mallove contends MIT's researchers did generate excess heat in their cold fusion experiment, and then fudged that finding in their final report. As evidence, Mallove has produced a copy of the original heat-measurement graph used in the MIT experiment, which showed slight heat production above the expected level. That graph did not appear in the final MIT report. In its place, the MIT team published an "adjusted" graph that showed no production of excess heat. Mallove resigned in protest and demanded an investigation. In addressing Mallove's complaint, MIT did not dispute that the original graph had been altered. Instead, one of the 15 authors of the MIT report was permitted to take the unusual step of changing the description of the experiment's purpose, AFTER the paper describing it was published. According to an appendix added to the report as a result of the investigation into Mallove's charges, the experiment was redefined to have been a search for a sudden onset of released energy, rather than to determine if unaccounted-for heat was being generated in cold fusion cells. Mallove contends MIT's handling of the matter was fatally flawed. "In science, we don't usually allow anyone to redefine the purpose of an experiment to match the results," he says. Since then, with funding from futurist Arthur C. Clarke, Mallove has been publishing "Infinite Energy" magazine, a publication devoted to spreading news about cold fusion experiments. Last month, Mallove released "Fire From Water," a video documentary about cold fusion. Mallove is currently negotiating with several national networks interested in broadcasting the newly released video. There are
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- Before we ban guns all together It is physically impossible to ban guns. The genii is out of the bottle. All the laws in the world can't put it back in. What we must do is create a world in which the use of guns, or of any other tool, to oppress others in any way is unthinkable because the oppression of others is unthinkable in and of itself, with tools or without. Such a world cannot be created with guns and such a world cannot be created without guns. Such a world is our only hope because this world, the world we have today, will otherwise destroy us and in the meantime is a prison. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jack-Booted Thugs
-Caveat Lector- "FREE SPEECH! Use it, or lose it!" --- Ken Hamblin ABUSES Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms An Unofficial Collection The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) is widely perceived to be a rogue agency that openly ignores the constitutional rights of Americans. When this is brought to the attention of those in power, the response is usually, "Prove it!". The information in these Web pages do not 'prove' that the BATF is a rogue agency but it does present a lot of incidents. Study the information here, do some research if you wish, and then make your own decision about what kind of agency the BATF really is. Last update: 3 May 1999 Changes since last update: This is now the new home of the Abuses By The BATF Web Page. People who have bookmarked this page please take note. Well, it didn't take long for the Jack-Booted Thugs to take advantage of their newly minted federal license to kill. BATF and local law enforcement raided a gun shop in Taft, CA. The story from the cops is that the store owner ate a barrel while resisting arrest. Few if any in the community believe this story. I wonder why? The news report is here: http://croaker.barkingmad.org/howell.html#TOP A newspaper in California has set up a special web page with all known information about this incident: http://www.bakersfield.com/special/taftshooting/ Grasping at straws to close yet another "big case," the BATF goes after a gun collector in South Florida. After trying for months to get him to sell Class 3 stuff under the table, they kick in his door and bust him for having a rusted-closed WW2 relic. Results: Conviction on one charge, Firearm Possession By Convicted Felon. Just one problem: the conviction exists (17-year-old assault case), but is it a felony? F-Troop says yes, county courthouse says "damnifweknow." I guess dangerous gun collectors aren't entitled to presumption of innocence anymore. If a Jack-Booted Thug says you're a felon, a felon you have just become. Whether you are one or not. And to make matters worse, the judge is allowing all the charges the jury just acquitted him of to be used in determining the sentence. So a sentence of 18 months may turn into 18 years or more. Didn't they pull that stunt on the Waco Massacre survivors? More details here: http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/ In other news, two BATF agents were indicted in Detroit for abuse of authority and abusing a suspect. The raid was allegedly not sanctioned, one member of F-Troop kicked the suspect in the head and the other helped cover it up. These are the people HCI want to be the sole possessors of initiated force? F-Troop loses another case: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/1998-09-12/gun.html A brother and sister in Alabama were cleared of all charges after the judge got tired of BATF failing to provide exculpatory evidence. This judge did the right thing, but keep in mind that if F-Troop finds evidence that will help in your trial defense, count on them making it "disappear." Makes that railroad trip much easier and more pleasant (for them). Now that the case is in litigation, I am adding a link to the F-Troop raid of A-Square and the home of it's owner on 19 Dec 1996. There is a lot of recent scary stuff at this site, including the revelation of a federal computer database called TECS (Treasury Enforcement Communications System). This system is used to flag anyone "under investigation" by any agency under the Treasury Department. It is also tied to NCIC, so anyone can be flagged as a dangerous person without any sort of court order, indictment, or conviction and will so appear to any police officer making a routine inquiry. Any bets as to whether the sponsor of this web page is so flagged? As usual, NRA is doing it's patented "no harm, no foul" routine in this case, though they did provide space at the NRA Annual Meeting for LTC Alphin to plead his case to the membership. GOA has pledged assistance and a defense fund has been established. The link to the case is here: http://members.aol.com/vetvsatf/Veteran_vs_BATF_Home_Page.html I have resigned my position with the Internal Revenue Service and gotten an honest job as a computer consultant. I'm bouncing around the globe fixing computers with Year2000 software problems: "The Cassandra Project", go to: http://millennia-bcs.com/cassief.htm#top There are more problems than people to fix them, to put it mildly: http://www.y2ktimebomb.com/ (Scroll to the Bottom) The good news is that most of the federal and state agencies we love to hate will be paralyzed. The bad news is that we lose a lot of things we've come to depend on for comfort and survival, with the attendant potential social consequences: http://www.euy2k.com/ All the information you find on this page and more is the basis of a
[CTRL] Fwd: Pin a Swastika on Brzezinski! Right Next to His Red Star! - a letter to the Wall Street Journal (May 25, 1999)
FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA Thought you may be interested in the enclosed letter to the Wall Street Journal. The letter is also available at the Truth in Media Web site - www.truthinmedia.org, along with our other commments in the "TiM Activism" section. Best, Bob Dj. - May 25, 1999 Ned Crabb Letters Editor THE WALL STREET JOURNAL New York, NY Subject: A letter to the editor re. "Compromise over Kosovo Means Defeat," May 24, 1999 Dear Ned, It's a good thing that Zbigniew Brzezinski is now merely a hateful anti-Orthodox Christian bigot. For, were he still in some position of power, as he was as Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, this warmonger would be leading the U.S. straight into a WW III inferno. Without even a pause for a careful reflection. Brzezinski's OpEd piece, "Compromise over Kosovo Means Defeat" (May 24, 1999), is a perfect example of a racist, maximalist arrogance which the self-professed "liberals" display these days. "Only a Kosovo free of armed Serbs..." is an acceptable end result to this warmonger. Never mind that Kosovo is, and has been a part of Serbia, for a better part of the last 1,000 years. Brzezinski thinks it's okay for NATO simply to snatch away, and hand it over to the Albanians, just as it did in 1995 with huge swaths of Serbian territories in Bosnia and Croatia. So let's try the following hypothetical scenario, to test the sanity of Brzezinski's ideas. Suppose the Russians decide for geopolitical reasons just as valid as NATO's imperialism, they want some of today's Polish lands; say the Gdansk and Suwalki regions in the north. This would provide a contiguous Russian-controlled territory between the Russian area of Kaliningrad in the north (now an landlocked "island" between Lithuania and Poland), and the pro-Russian Byelorussia to the east of Poland. A neat idea, right? From a Russian imperialists' standpoint. And with even more merit than NATO's forceful attempt to move into Kosovo. With an unspoken, but obvious geopolitical agenda - to eventually link up its eastern wing (Turkey) with its western wing (Italy, etc.), along the "Green Interstate," and across the backs of the Serbs who have lived in Kosovo, and who used to live in Croatia and Bosnia, for centuries. In other words, it would be a case of blatant Russian land grab to which, I suspect, Brzezinski would be violently opposed. Yet, here he is, advocating exactly the same thing in Kosovo. And worse... Proving that Brzezinski doesn't give a damn about American lives, either, he is bemoaning NATO's supposedly too careful air campaign. "The painful reality is that the bombing campaign has been conducted as if the human lives at stake should be priced at three different levels," he writes. "The most precious lives are those of the NATO pilots...; next are those of Mr. Milosevic's officials...; least valuable are the lives of the Kosovars (i.e., Kosovo Albanians) themselves" So what would Brzezinski like to see happen? Have more Americans killed than the several hundred whom our Draftdodger-in-Chief has already sent to their needless deaths? (I know... the "yadda, yadda, yadda... lie and deny" Washington and Brussels crowd deny they've suffered any casualties. Except for the two American pilots killed when their Apache helicopter was shot down by the Yugoslav air defenses on May 5. Which "yadda, yadda, yadda... lie and deny" spin masters deny, saying it was a mechanical or pilot error. For a contrary assessment, check out the German "Welt am Sonntag" May 23 edition). Whether American casualties have been so far in the dozens or in the hundreds may be debatable. What is not debatable is that they will be in the thousands should NATO attempt a land invasion of Kosovo, as the warmongers like Brzezinski are advocating. So that NATO can claim "a Kosovo free of armed Serbs..." as its war booty. A group of British military experts, under the guise and cover of being OSCE monitors, examined the various possible points of entry for a ground assault from Macedonia - BEFORE the NATO bombing began on Mar. 24, the London Times recently reported. And they concluded that, "an invasion force could be stopped 'by a flock of sheep'," the Times said, as the steep mountain passes along the route "provide an ideal ambush country." The Yugoslav Army is anything but sheepish, as the downing of the F-117, and that of the Apache helicopter proved, among other NATO casualties - admitted or not by Washington and/or Brussels. In other words, it would be "Slaughterhouse Kosovo" for the would-be NATO invaders. Only armchair warriors, like Brzezinski or Tony Blair, not to mention Bill Clinton or Madeleine Albright, who have not spent a day of their lives in a trench, could advocate that as a "solution" to the "Kosovo Crisis" which they have manufactured, painting themselves into a corner. Meanwhile, Brzezinski's racism shone right through his complaints about the supposedly three different
