Re: [CTRL] Stopping Smokers Not Killers

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From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stopping Smokers Not Killers
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 10:54 PM

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:48:04 -0400  wrote in another forum:

 In another game.  Three youths kicked the head of an
 unconscious player on the ground.  One youth was charged with
 assault but got off.  The parents blamed the referee for loosing
 control of the game.  The coach blamed the referee.  No one, but
 me, blamed the kids for their own behavior.  I became extremely
 unpopular for suspending the three players involved for one game.
 It is no longer popular to expect anyone to accept responsibility
 for their own behavior.  We have invented a scapegoat excuse for
 every possible situation.


  IAN: I assume that that refers to my initial post and
  the issue of blaming psychotropic drugs for the actions
  of people who are on them, of which I noted only children.
  In the case of mind-altering medicine taken by people who
  aren't fully informed about their full range of potential
  effects, the argument that the patient alone should be
  held accountable for their actions is untenable. The very
  purpose of those psychotropic drugs is to make a person
  feel and do what they would not otherwise feel or do. A
  typical best-case scenario is that a person is depressed
  and then takes antidepressants and feels better, and
  then gets up and becomes active, doing things they would
  not otherwise do. The very nature of these drugs demands
  that we assume in many cases like that, a given individual
  is NOT responsible for the actions of getting better and
  doing things they would not have otherwise done -- the
  drug made them get better and then get up and do things.

  With that indisputable fact (about the assumed nature of
  these drugs) in mind, to say that if the person then gets
  up and does harmful things THEY are responsible for those
  actions, is suddenly changing the rules and now absolving
  the drug, its pushers and manufacturer of responsibility
  that otherwise, in the case of getting up and going good
  things, they would be given and accept only too quickly.

  They want to have it both ways: "We are responsible if
  the patient gets up and does good things, but we are not
  responsible if the patient gets up and does bad things."
  The fact is that the selective serotonin reuptake
  inhibitors (SSRIs) function in a fashion similar to
  PCP, an illicit drug notorious for inducing states of
  extreme psychotic violence. In fact, PCP is an SSRI !!
  Research also indicates that PCP-induced pathological
  behavior is a result of its increasing extracellular
  levels of serotonin, which is exactly what all SSRIs do.

  Anyone who gives a person a drug that functions like
  PCP and fails to inform that person that it could act
  like PCP, should be held accountable for their actions.


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[CTRL] PSY-OPS WEAPONRY USED IN THE PERSIAN GULF WAR

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PSY-OPS WEAPONRY USED IN THE PERSIAN GULF WAR
http://www.nonwo.com/dswcc/post111099.html

Rest on url. First posted NEXUS Oct/Nov 98

"Governments deny the existence of military devices that can alter brain
waves and emotions, and so they have no official controls over how these
technologies are deployed"

For years rumours have persisted that the United States Department of
Defence has been engaged in research and development of ultra-sophisticated
mind-altering technology. Confirmation of this came to me recently in the
form of two ITV News Bureau Ltd (London) wire service bulletins.

The March 23, 1991 newsbrief, "High-tech Psychological Warfare Arrives in
the Middle East", describes a US Psychological Operations (PsyOps) tactic
directed against Iraqi troops in Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm. The
manoeuvre consisted of a system in which subliminal mind-altering technology
was carried on standard radio- frequency broadcasts. The March 26, 1991
newsbrief states that among the standard military planning groups in the
centre of US war planning operations at Riyadh was "an unbelievable and
highly classified PsyOps program utilising 'silent sound' techniques". The
opportunity to use this method occurred when Saddam Hussein's military
command-and-control system was destroyed. The Iraqi troops were then forced
to use commercial FM radio stations to carry encoded commands, which were
broadcast on the 100 MHz frequency. The US PsyOps team set up its own
portable FM transmitter, utilising the same frequency, in the deserted city
of Al Khafji. This US transmitter overpowered the local Iraqi station. Along
with patriotic and religious music, PsyOps transmitted "vague, confusing and
contradictory military orders and information".

Subliminally, a much more powerful technology was at work: a sophisticated
electronic system to speak directly to the mind of the listener, to alter
and entrain his brainwaves, to manipulate his brain's
electroencephalographic (EEG) patterns and artificially implant negative emo
tional states - feelings of fear, anxiety, despair and hopelessness. This
subliminal system doesn't just tell a person to feel an emotion, it makes
them feel it, it implants that emotion in their minds.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Heavenly Osiris and Earthly Isis? No doubt.

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In a message dated 99-10-23 23:35:56 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Isis was never an Earth Mothershe was ever Queen of Heaven.
Osiris was dismembered by his evil brother Set. Isis reassembled all the
pieces but one. She never found his phallus. Or perhaps she did find it
and used it to impregnate herself.  Reassembled (with a missing part),
Osiris became King of the Underworld.  (Instead of being resurrected, he was
reassembled). Isis gave birth to Horus, the hawk--warrior of heaven--who
triumphed over Set and avenged his father, returning the Cosmic
Order to Justice and Harmony.
Yes.  Remembering that mother Nut was sky and father Geb was earth, their
children mirrored the gender distinctions somewhat.  Osiris, like his father,
was AT FIRST an EARTH God -- he was often pictured as green, with vegetation
sprouting from his body,
for example.  Often the fertile Bull was identified with him.  The
cow-goddess HATHOR ("Het," house or domain + "Hor," Horus) was identified
with the sky-goddess Nut, the mother of the ELDER Horus, brother of Set and
Osiris, who is hard to distinguish from the YOUNGER Horus, son of Isis.  Thus
Isis = Hathor = Nut, in Egyptian reasoning.
Now, there is a peculiarity here.  Osiris was the EARTH God in succession to
his father Geb (usually portrayed as a naked ithyphallic man, reclining on
his back, with the Sky Goddess bending down from heaven to receive him) and
his brother Set was, in the Pyramid Texts age, a SKY God, being son of the
Sky GODDESS by MATRILINEAL
succession, as well as brother (in sibling rivalry) to the ELDER Horus,
falcon-headed
Sky GOD -- hence the duality of Set and Horus, just as old as that of Set and
Osiris.
The old stelae portray Set and Horus DIVIDING the earth, North and South,
BETWEEN
them -- a theme as common as their cyclic alternation IN TIME as rulers of
Egypt, in perfect mimickry of Yin and Yang in the I Ching.  Horus as Sky God,
deposing Set, is older than Sun God Ra, a relative LATECOMER in Egyptian
religion, as you point out (lion-goddess Sekhmet does appear to be older as
Sun GODDESS, her iconography shared with Tefnut, the mother of Nut).  But
here we have to make a distinction: Horus was god of the solar (day) sky,
going from horizon to horizon, but to the Egyptians that was different from
the stellar (night) sky, Nut's realm, full of star-gods and concentrated
around the North Polar region, over which Nut and her son Set ruled (in the
star-maps).
Horus as day-Sky versus Set as night-sky -- gods, but sons of the Sky GODDESS.

I think the disagreement with you is based on confusing what the Egyptians
believed
(amply recorded in both their texts and drawings and sculptures) and what
relatively
modern "illuminati" CLAIM they believed, attempting to subsume Egyptian
religion under
the themes found in Indo-European as well as SOME Near Eastern religions,
just in order to make everything "come out right" as "universal."  The
archeological evidence makes clear the fact that even in the Near East, even
in ancient Sumer, the "gender of cosmology" was in fact OPPOSITE to what we
have in later, more "patriarchal" times.
For example, in both Egypt and Sumer, the moon is MALE, and in various places
in Mesopotamia the sun is female (the female Shapash instead of the male
Shamash),
and Venus' and Mars' genders are usually reversed -- Dumuzi/Tammuz is the MALE
fertility god and Inanna/Ishtar is the GODDESS of war and sexual frenzy, not
at all a "love" goddess!  The male is portrayed as a bull, the female as a
scorpion, mirroring
the forms of the signs Taurus and Scorpio.  (Athena for the Greeks was
goddess of WAR earlier than Ares, note, and Dionysus was a sensuous FERTILITY
god of sorts.)
Of course, along with the (to us) "gender reversal" of social roles, the MOST
ancient
layer of culture in both Egypt and Sumer was "matriarchal," which to an
anthropologist
means MATRILINEAL.  In Egypt, the pharaoh inherited his office through the
Queen Mother (see the Heb-Sed ritual, where he dances around a veiled goddess
on a throne)
and in Sumer, the lugal (priest-king) assumed office after "wedding" the
Goddess in the
form of the High Priestess.  Come the Age of Aries, these Taurean concepts
fell into disfavor with the patriarchal warlords, who "masculinized" ALL
divinity, as in Greece,
leaving female deities to govern only the element most DESPISED by them --
"earth."

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[CTRL] Sumerian Stuff

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"Proto-History in Sumer" and many informative links:

http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-63448/mespro.htm

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[CTRL] Greens Chastise Turkey for Abuse of Kurds

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Greens Back Off Turkey Arms Threats

By TONY CZUCZKA
.c The Associated Press

BERLIN (AP) - Germany's Greens, the junior government partner, backed off its
threats Saturday to launch a nationwide campaign against German arms sales to
Turkey.

The Greens, citing alleged abuses by Turkey in its war with rebel Kurds,
oppose a decision by the Social Democrat-led government to let Turkey test a
single model of Germany's top battle tank, the Leopard-2.

The dispute over a core Green issue - human rights in foreign policy - has
heightened tensions in Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's year-old coalition.

But the Greens' defense spokeswoman, Angelika Beer, backed off the party's
earlier suggestion that it may launch a petition to mobilize public pressure
against arms sales to Turkey.

``There certainly will not be any petition by the Greens against the
coalition,'' she told North German Radio on Saturday.

Greens general manager Reinhard Buetikofer suspended a threat to launch a
public campaign until the coalition can discuss the matter at a meeting set
for Monday.

Schroeder has defended the tank delivery, saying the Greens' objections are
``far-fetched'' and Germany must be a reliable partner. He noted that Turkey
is a NATO member and already uses the older Leopard-1.

Opponents include Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, a Green.

``We want to lead Turkey toward the European Union with improvements,'' he
told Berlin's Tagesspiegel newspaper. ``You can hardly count tank deliveries
as an improvement.''

Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping, a Social Democrat like Schroeder, has
strongly supported the move.

Underlining the government's rift, a Saturday newspaper cited an internal
Defense Ministry document that accuses Fischer of delaying German weapons
sales to a range of countries, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, South
Korea, Romania and Chile.

The leaked document charges ``this wavering policy is harming our country's
reputation,'' the Berliner Morgenpost report said.

Turkey wants to test the Leopard-2 against competitors from several other
NATO countries before placing a major order for new tanks.

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Re: [CTRL] People Who Have Died After Being on the Art Bell Show

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I'd bet that at least 1,000 people that were on the Johny Carson
Show are now in the Great Beyond.  God forbid be on the nightly
news:)


On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Steve Wingate wrote:

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 Date sent:  Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:56:09 -0400 (EDT)
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 Subject:[illusions] People Who Have Died After Being on the Art Bell 
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 People who have died after being on Art Bell Radio Show
 by Jon Locke
 When I was in Arizona a Paranoid Woman told me, "A lot of people who have
 been on Art Bell are dead now." IT made me stop and think. After coming
 back home I decided to make a list of those I know of who are dead or sick
 after being interviewed on the Art Bell show. Usually for talking too much
 about UFOS.

 Jim Keith, author of "BLACK HELICOPTERS - STRIKE FORCE OF THE NEW WORLD
 ORDER." He died recently while working on a book about the death of
 Princess Diana. He was going to mention her three month pregnancy.

 Col. Corso. HE wrote the book, "After Roswell." It is about alien UFO
 crashes and what we have learned from them. Reversed technology gotten off
 crashed discs. Some of the alien technology is computer chips, velcro,
 bullet proof vests, and night vision goggles. Though an old man he died
 quickly right after a physical exam which said he was in good health for a
 man his age.
 [The C.I.A. has a weapon which can be pointed at a person and fired. IT is
 electronic and therefore silent. IT sends about a ray, a beam, which when
 it hits the heart causes it to fibulate and quit, giving the impression of
 a heart attack. This is what they did to Richard C. (For Conspiracy)
 Hoagland in Miami. I had a strong premonition he would not leave Miami. He
 went there to help with the Miami Stonehenge Circle. Before it was over he
 was taken into a local hospital with a heart attack. Thank God  he is
 strong enough to survive. Usually if you withstand an attack by the
 NWO/Illuminati/ secret government they will leave you alone. Robert Morning
 Sky was run off the road after being on art bell. HE spoke of the world
 being under the control of a few. But he quit speaking and is alive today.
 Speaking Wind was not so lucky. He spoke on Dec 9, 1998.  He mentioned the
 secret book he found in a monastery in New Mexico five years ago. He said
 anyone caught talking about it is harassed or killed. He died of a "heart
 attack" three days later, Dec 12, 1998. He still has a web site where  you
 an read his interpretations of this book. To hear his reply go to
 artbell.com.

 Col. STEVE Wilson was on Operation Pounce. HE retired and started talking
 about it. Whoever a UFO was shot down, Operation Pounce was called upon to
 retrieve the craft and bodies. He said on radio he saw alien bodies. He is
 survived by his wife.

 Dannion Brinkley has had three Near Death Experiences. Two before going on
 Art Bell. HE talked about  his service in the paramilitary. HE was flown
 into a south American country. HE was driven to a location. He want inside
 and set booby traps. Then escaped. He said, "I never met an enemy."
 Lighting struck him one day and he changed over night. His story is  a
 fasinating one. HE predicted ETS would be working alongside humans by the
 year 2001.

 And of course the beloved Father Malichi, a real Catholic exorcist. He
 predicted a meteor would hit the earth.

 Dr. Greer is a regular M.D. he and Shari Adamski, daughter of famous UFO
 contactee of the 50s, George Adamski, went to Washing, D.C. to tell
 Congress about UFOS. They and 200 witnesses lined up. Not kooks either. But
 retired Military men willing to testify and tell their fellow countrymen
 the truth. A month after returning, Shari came down with cancer. A few
 months later she died. Dr. Greer is struggling but still alive. I think he
 took an alternative remedy and stayed alive.

 Terrace McKenna went on Art Bell and recommended everybody get stoned in
 order to break thru to the other side. He is sick in bed in a Hospital in
 Hawaii.

 How much longer must we be deprived of our right to free speech? Let us all
 pray that this suppression of our rights will soon be lifted.
 Pray to God.

 This is a short list. I do not listen to Art Bell every night. IF you can
 think of any others, please let me know.

 Ask Me About IntraSound
 The Wave of the 21st Century
 http://earth.vol.com/~voltron//

 
 Steve Wingate

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[CTRL] The Inevitability of George II

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 George Walker Bush has already raised SO MUCH money for his presidential
campaign that next to nothing is left for any opposing Republican candidate.
 Face it -- Bush will prove that you CAN buy the Presidency of the United
States,
in these, the "money is everything" '90s.
 As for what Bush STANDS FOR, well, it's this: "money is everything."


Americans ask who is George W. Bush?

By Alan Elsner, Political Correspondent

AUSTIN, Texas, Oct. 22 (Reuters) - He has one of the most famous names in
U.S. politics, he has shattered all campaign fund-raising records and he is
leading in the 2000 presidential race by a wide margin.

But who is Texas Gov. George W. Bush?

A year before the election, many voters are just beginning to wake up to the
fact that they really know very little about the man who may well become
their next leader. They remember his father, former President George Bush,
and his mother, Barbara Bush, but the younger Bush, at this stage of the
campaign, remains largely a blank slate.

``People have a general sense about Bush, that he's a moderate conservative,
and they know something about his family because of his father, but they
don't know him in any detail,'' said Andrew Kohut, who heads the Pew Research
polling company.

``There's a lot to be learned about George W. Bush, both in a personal and
policy sense,'' Kohut said.

In a recent Reuters poll of Republicans in New Hampshire, who have seen more
of Bush than most Americans, 55 percent said they did not know enough about
him to elect him president.

That should change in the next few months as voters tune into the campaign
and see more of Bush campaigning and debating his Republican rivals.
Television campaign ads, both for and against him, will also broaden the
picture.

In a sense, a crucial part of the 2000 election battle will be the extent to
which Bush succeeds in defining himself -- or whether he lets his opponents
define him. Will he appear as a man of the people -- a lover of baseball and
country music with a gift for leadership -- or will he be seen an empty suit,
intellectually lazy and proud of it?

Whatever their other weaknesses, nobody doubts the intellectual capabilities
of both Democratic presidential candidates, Vice President Al Gore and
ex-Sen. Bill Bradley.

DOES BUSH HAVE WHAT IT TAKES?

``Bush's vulnerability, especially compared to Gore or Bradley, will be
gravitas: Is he really qualified, does he know enough, does he have what it
takes to be president?'' Kohut said.

The first two of an expected flood of biographies of Bush appeared this
month. Both ``First Son'' by Dallas Morning News reporter Bill Minutaglio and
``Fortunate Son'' by freelance journalist J.H. Hatfield paint Bush as
charming and politically gifted. But they do not answer the essential
question of who he really is or what kind of president he might become.

Bush's aides and advisers are well aware of the danger that he will be
perceived as an intellectual lightweight. In interviews, they constantly
stress his abilities.

His domestic policy adviser Stephen Goldsmith told Reuters in an interview
that Bush always read and absorbed the policy papers he was sent and he
dominated political discussions.

His foreign policy adviser Condoleezza Rice said Bush was interested in that
area as well. ``The good thing about Gov. Bush is he likes foreign policy.
When I first climbed on with him, I wasn't sure about that,'' she told
Reuters in August.

But the fact that a Bush adviser even had to make the point was significant.
No aides to Bush's main rivals feel the need to tell reporters their boss is
interested in foreign policy.

In a New York Times book review, conservative columnist David Brooks summed
up the Bush persona as ``an aversion to grand ideas and a talent for male
bonding.''

``Those traits put him out of step with more ideological decades but he is
effortlessly at ease in our own. It could be that George W. Bush is a
deceptively deep guy and ... there is more there than meets the eye. Or
maybe, he's merely destiny's darling,'' Brooks wrote.

BUSH THE UGLY DUCKLING?

The mystery of who Bush really is stems from his life, which mirrors the
children's fable of the ugly duckling suddenly transformed into a handsome
swan. Until 1994, when he was elected as governor of Texas, he was known as
the mediocre son of a distinguished father. There was little hint that he
might conceal presidential mettle within his fun-loving soul.

A hard-drinking fraternity boy, an average student and a less-than-successful
businessman, Bush's greatest moment before becoming governor was helping put
together a consortium that bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in 1989.

The turning point in Bush's life came in the 1994 election for governor of
Texas, a mere two years after his father was turned out of the White House by
Bill Clinton. By defeating the feisty and charismatic Democratic incumbent
Ann Richards, Bush established himself as an 

[CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Imperialism

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NATO selecting ``humane'' weapons for a Green era

By Douglas Hamilton

BRUSSELS, Oct 24 (Reuters) - If NATO ever has to repeat a Kosovo-style
coercion campaign in support of oppressed minorities, its pilots could be
launching superglues that stick tanks to the road, instead of missiles to
blow them up.

Instead of blasting highways with bombs, they could be coating them with
agents that destroy vehicle tyres. They could be playing low-frequency sound
tapes that make ground forces vomit, instead of shredding them with depleted
uranium bullets.

These soft techniques are aspects of a new generation of so-called
``non-lethal weapons'' being developed to take some of the death and
destruction out of low-level conflict.

They are also meant to widen the choices open to peacekeepers, cut
reconstruction bills, and spare the environment.

NATO allies recently announced their first policy statement on the use of
such weapons, preparing for the day that troops could be called on to use
them in tasks short of all-out war.

They include disorienting noise, painful ultra-sound, bad smells, skin
irritants, strobe lights, stun weapons, glue guns, sticky foam bombs,
eyesight dazzlers, microwaved ``minefields,'' nets, meshes, and immobilising
airbags.

``The idea is to enhance the range of options open to a NATO commander, not
to replace or undermine his authority to use lethal force,'' a NATO official
said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

SPARE THE INNOCENTS

``There's also a tremendous push after Kosovo to reduce collateral damage to
civilians and to protect the environment,'' the NATO official added.

The new policy, adopted in late September, applies to the development and
acquisition of ``weapons designed specifically for the purpose of minimising
fatalities, permanent injury...and undesired damage to property and the
environment'' even though they may have limited harmful effects.

A NATO internal document notes such weapons are politically sensitive because
they are anti-personnel and some are legally restricted or banned in warfare,
such as tear-gas.

``Some of these new techniques, although not lethal, are still pretty
frightening,'' the official said, citing the example of corrosive agents for
attacking optical equipment.

But he said it had been clear for some years that the alliance needed an
umbrella policy for the use of non-lethal arms as military functions changed
to encompass roles more like those traditionally carried out by riot police.

``Green'' voter constituencies in allied member states can also not be
ignored, and they are demanding that while coercion may be sometimes
necessary it need not always rely on high explosives and cause major
environmental problems.

Softer security could also relieve political pressures.

Microwave systems are being developed to fence off terrain in place of
landmines, aiming acoustic or other incapacitators at any intruder instead of
blowing legs off.

Having destroyed bridges over the River Danube in Serbia and vowing not to
help repair them until President Slobodan Milosevic departs the scene, the
allies now face warnings from Hungary that winter ice snagged on underwater
concrete hulks could block the river, flooding hundreds of towns.

Appeals for help will be politically hard to resist.

NO REPLACEMENT FOR GUNS

While trying to address demands for kinder, gentler forms of military
coercion, Western allies are anxious not to whet any naive appetite for
bloodless war that leaves no mess.

The NATO policy states that ``the availability of non-lethal weapons shall in
no way limit a commander's or individual's inherent right and obligation to
use all necessary means available and to take all appropriate action in
self-defence.''

There should be no obligation to use non-lethal means, no guarantee that they
will not kill, and no imposition of higher standards for using lethal force.

``In all cases NATO forces shall retain the option for immediate use of
lethal weapons consistent with applicable national and international law and
approved rules of engagement,'' the policy states.

Non-lethal weapons could increase NATO's leverage by deterring hostile groups
that gamble on the alliance not daring to risk using deadly force, or holding
back because of the risk of hurting civilians, the non-classified paper says.

They can be employed alongside highly lethal conventional weapons to give
troops a broader range of possible responses.

In situations short of war, where political, diplomatic, economic or
environmental demands may dictate methods used and lethal force is
unnecessary or inconsistent with the mission, they offer ways of putting
hostile forces or equipment temporarily out of action with a minimum of
damage.

The U.S. Coast Guard is already using non-lethal weapons against Caribbean
drug smuggling boats, dropping high-strength nets from helicopters and
employing sting bombs and malodorants.

Soft weapons also offer new ways to enforce a 

[CTRL] U.S. - Cuba Relations: Council on Foreign Relations task force report

[Dave]

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From: David Goldman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Having just read that the Republican governor of Illinois is making a trip
to Cuba to meet dissidents, it got me wondering about all the recent flurry
of reports of new contacts with Cuba and US officialdom. Any thoughts as to
what is going on both in Washington and Havana, and is it connected to the
Colombia situation??
==

Hi David,

As we all know, "everything" is "connected"   grin

But I'd say that the connection between current "Vietnamization" of Colombia
and grudging/slow "normalization" with Cuba is rather tenuous- not much
greater than trying to look like the good guy in one place to offset the
horrendous warring in another.

The powers behind U.S. government are showing "all signals GO" in terms of
normalizing Cuba relations. (after all, "globalization" is the "agenda"...
and TRADE is the chosen form of warfare in most cases... just enough overt
warfare to keep the arms dealers in business  the drug/gun equation funding
the covert ops... wonder where the balance sheet is that shows how much $ is
needed by the covert ops and how many "peasants" must be killed for adequate
capitalization?

The report below is authored by CFR members:
Bernard W. Aronson, Chairman of Acon Investments and Newbridge Andean
Partners, L.P. , recently elected to the board of directors at Liz
Claiborne, Inc.; former Assistant Secretary of State, member of board of
directors or Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd (photo)
http://www.rccl.com/1.7/1.7.3/1.7.3.3/html_financials/directors/directors.ht
ml
(Aronson also shows current interest in Costa Rican business:
http://execprog.businessweek.com/1999/americas/highlights.asp )
And is a member of: "Leadership Council for Inter-American Summitry"
http://gehon.ir.miami.edu/nsc/summit/leaderen.htm
An EXCELLENT INVESTIGATIVE article on OPIC investment says:
"• Locating Newbridge Andean Partners was even more confounding. The
address, "1429 G St. N.W., Suite 410," turned out to be a Mail Boxes Etc.
store. When asked for directions to "Suite 410," a helpful clerk pointed to
one of the small mailboxes lining the wall.
ACON Investments, the fund's manager, requires a minimum investment of close
to $1 million. ACON's chairman is Bernard Aronson, another longtime
politico, who has connections to presidents Bush and Clinton (assistant
secretary of state from 1989-93) and was a speechwriter for President Carter
(1977-79)"
http://www.mojones.com/mother_jones/JA97/managers.html
http://www.mojones.com/mother_jones/JA97/shields.html
http://www.mojones.com/mother_jones/JA97/shields_jump.html

Aronson may be closely associated with:
Ken Brotman – Partner, Acon Investments-Newbridge Andean Partners

From OPIC site:
"Overseas Private Investment Corporation; An Agency of the United States
Government"
 Mr. Bernard Aronson
ACON Investments, L.L.C. - (OPIC investment $160 million in Bolivia,
Ecuador, Peru and Venezuela)
1133 Connecticut Avenue, NW
Suite 700
Washington, D.C. 20036
Tel: 202-861-6060
Fax: 202-861-6061
http://www.opic.gov/SUBDOCS/PUBLIC/publications/FUNDLIST.HTM
"side-note" - October 8, 1999 --WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Overseas Private
Investment Corporation (OPIC) and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban
Development (HUD) signed an agreement today to work together to explore
opportunities for U.S. private sector investment in the Central American and
Caribbean housing sector.
http://www.opic.gov/scripts/jeff2.idq?Restriction=HUD


Co-author of the report below is "the Honorable" William D. Rogers, Esq.
(title of nobility)
Board of Directors- Americas Society
http://www.americas-society.org/coa2.html
(Robert Mosbacher, Chairman.. David Rockefeller, Honorary chairman)
Member of advisory council of The American Chamber of Commerce of Cuba in
the United States, Inc. (along with quite a list of others  who's Phoebe
T. Lansdale ? -Executive Director  Treasurer)
http://www.amchamcuba.org/menu.html
Rogers is associated with Arnold  Porter law firm,
Vice Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
Former Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs
A CFR Director for year of 87-88, along with B.R. Inman, Brent Scowcroft 
others
http://www.pir.org/gw/cfr.txt


ONE little "drug related" tidbit from the report is mentioned in this
commentary on the CFR report below:
"... the Task Force recommended increased access to the United States by
Cuban officials, military-to-military confidence building measures, and
greater anti-drug cooperation."
http://webu6102.ntx.net/americas/pubs/hemvi7.html


I predict we will begin seeing MORE MEDIA pumping of this topic very
quickly, with some limited tourism before too long.
http://savannahmorningnews.com/smn/stories/010899/OPEDtwo.html
http://www.latino.com/news/news99/0105ncub.htm

'sfunny I was just mentioning to a friend a week ago that I'd like to
visit Cuba  maybe they picked up the idea from my phone-tap?  grin
... or mebbe they "beamed" it into my hard little skull- YIKES  

Re: [CTRL] vaccinations

[Dave]

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Unfortunately, the "bigger picture" is  BECAUSE  it is at the expense of the
general public's health.
Understand this, and you see how the pharmaceutical/medical/industrial
complex MANUFACTURES it's marketplace.

http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/murderinject.htm
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/altmedcon.htm


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/ncf
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: Steve and Christine Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rochelle
Cc: homeopathy lyghtforce
Subject: Re: vaccinations

Well the pharmacuticle companies have to keep those $$$ rolling  in even if
it is at the expence of the general publics health!!

Rgds Chris

- Original Message -
From: Nhoj Eel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 NHOJ EEL WRITES
 In a few years time will they have a Meningitis B Vaccine? If so will the
main
 Meningitis form by then be Meningitis D? Then they can produce a
Meningitis D
 Vaccine and the nasty new Meningitis E strain will manifest ect. This is
 Nhojeopathic theory of course. As a Nhojeopath I do though admire the $12
a shot
 routine though.
 Regards
 Nhoj Eel

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[CTRL] Govt Pushes Meningitis Vaccine for Teenagers

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U.S. panel urges college meningitis shots

By Mike Cooper

ATLANTA, Oct 20 (Reuters) - A federal advisory panel on Wednesday urged
college and university freshmen to consider getting vaccinated against
bacterial meningitis, a rare infection that can kill a healthy person within
hours.

The Advisory Committee on Immunisation Practices urged colleges and health
professionals to tell incoming students about the vaccine, which is effective
against most strains of meningococcal meningitis that circulate in the United
States.

``We have a safe and efficacious vaccine,'' Dr. David Fleming of the Oregon
Health Division told the panel. The vaccine, developed by the U.S. military,
has reduced the incidence of meningitis among recruits by 90 percent since it
was introduced in 1971.

The Centres for Disease Control (CDC) said earlier this year that college
freshmen living in dormitories were six times more likely than other college
students to become infected.

Health officials believe they are susceptible because they live in close
proximity with many other people and may be exposed to bacteria they have not
previously encountered.

Additionally, some engage in behaviour that can compromise their immune
systems, such as binge drinking, smoking or getting too little sleep.

``Individuals who provide care to freshmen, particularly those who live in or
plan to live in dormitories or residence halls, should provide information
about meningococcal disease and the benefits of vaccination to those students
and their parents,'' the Advisory Committee on Immunisation Practices said.

``Immunization should be provided or made easily available to those freshmen
who wish to reduce their risk of meningococcal disease,'' the panel said in
the statement it unanimously adopted.

More than 3,000 cases of bacterial meningitis occur every year. The illness
is fatal in 10 to 15 percent of cases. Initial symptoms include high fever,
headache, stiff neck, nausea, vomiting, confusion and sleepiness. The illness
can cause death within 24 to 48 hours, the CDC said.

The bacteria, which infect the fluid of the spinal cord and the fluid that
surrounds the brain, are usually spread through respiratory and throat
secretions, such as by coughing or kissing, health experts said.

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[CTRL] Pope Said Nazi Atrocities Exaggerated

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Pius XII felt Nazi atrocities exaggerated-report

By Arthur Spiegelman

LOS ANGELES, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Pope Pius XII told the United States in 1942
he thought reports of German atrocities against Jews were exaggerated and
that he could not denounce the Nazis without criticising the Soviet Union,
according to a newly-discovered document in the U.S. National Archives.

The document -- a secret report by the U.S. envoy to the Vatican during the
war on a 40-minute meeting he had with the Pontiff on Dec. 30, 1942 -- also
quoted Pius as saying that he would, however, publicly condemn the Allies if
they carried out a threat to bomb Rome.

The letter by envoy Harold Tittmann's to the U.S. Secretary of State, a copy
of which was obtained by Reuters on Wednesday, offers new insight into the
wartime thinking of Pius XII, who has been frequently criticised by Jewish
groups and others for failing to speak out against the Nazis during the war.

A controversial new book by British journalist John Cornwell, ``Hitler's
Pope, the Secret History of Pius XII,'' says the Pontiff minimised the
Holocaust because he was a Germanophile and that he held anti-Semitic views
before becoming Pope in 1939.

Pius, during his meeting with Tittmann, is surprised when the diplomat tells
him that there are people who did not accept that he had finally publicly
condemned the Nazis in his famous Christmas message of 1942 in which he
declared that people were being killed because of their ``race and
nationality.'' Many thought that the message was too indirect.

``EXAGGERATION FOR PURPOSES OF PROPAGANDA''

Tittmann said in his ``strictly confidential'' four-page report, ``(the Pope)
stated that he 'feared' that there was foundation for the atrocity reports of
the Allies, but he led me to believe that he felt there had been some
exaggeration for purposes of propaganda.''

The diplomat added, ``With regard to his Christmas message, the Pope gave me
the impression that he was sincere in believing that he had spoken therein
clearly enough to satisfy all those who had been insisting in the past that
he utter some word of condemnation of the Nazi atrocities and he seemed
surprised when I told him that I thought there were some who did not share
his belief.

``He said that he thought that it was plain to everyone he was referring to
the Poles, Jews, and hostages when he declared that hundreds of thousands of
persons had been killed or tortured through no fault of their own, sometimes
only because of their race and nationality. He explained that when talking of
atrocities he could not name the Nazis without mentioning at the same time
the Bolsheviks, and this, he thought, might not be wholly pleasing to the
Allies.''

THREATS TO BOMB ROME

The American diplomat said the Pope was concerned about threats being made
over the BBC that the Allies would bomb Rome, although ``he did not himself
feel in the least apprehensive because he could not imagine that the Allies
would do such a thing when there was so little to gain and so much to lose.''

Tittmann said, ``He made it clear that if Rome was bombed, he would be
obliged to make a solemn and public protest and added that he was certain
that the combined effect of the bombing and protest of Catholics throughout
the world could only be hurtful to the cause of the Allies.''

The Vatican has rejected accusations that Pius was an anti-Semite and Nazi
sympathiser who turned a blind eye to the Holocaust. ``He certainly was not
(an anti-Semite). He helped the Jews,'' said Father Pierre Blet, the
Vatican's leading historian on the Second World War.

Blet, author of a new book on the subject, said at a press conference earlier
this month, ``The public silence (of Pius XII) was the cover for a secret
activity through Vatican embassies and bishoprics to try to stop the
deportations.''

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[CTRL] Report from Cheyenne Mountain

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U.S. Cold War bastion gets new lease on life

By Jim Wolf

CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN, Colo., Oct 20  (Reuters) - This fabled lookout for death
from above, which once symbolised U.S. fear of communism, is gearing up for
new threats.

The bunker complex was built in the early 1960s on giant springs to cushion
the ancient computers' vacuum tubes from the shock of an atom bomb dropped by
a long-range Soviet bomber.

Today the glowing blue monitors no longer simulate threats from Russia. For
the past seven months, imaginary intercontinental ballistic missiles streak
across them toward U.S. cities from China.

``Sir, for the exercise, we have multiple missile launches,'' says a recorded
voice in the dim light of the command centre as a canned presentation for
visitors begins. Yellow arcs spread across out-sized monitors before being
confirmed as ``combat against North America.''

The simulation ends with hits -- 32 to 36 minutes after launch -- on Seattle,
Colorado Springs, Detroit, New York and Washington. The unspoken message: the
United States is defenceless against such a blitz, which could rain down
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.

In real life China and its 20 long-range missiles are not seen by U.S.
nuclear planners as the main threat to post-Cold War U.S. national security.
That still would be Russia, with its uncertain future and 2,000
nuclear-tipped missiles on launch-within-minutes alert.

But here at the hub of the U.S. sky watch, the simulated Chinese
ballistic-missile strike seems to stand also for the perceived threat from
North Korea, Iraq, Iran and guerrilla financiers like Osama bin Laden.

To track missile launches, Cheyenne Mountain draws on a global web of
satellites, radar systems and other sensors to give the earliest possible
warning of any threat to North American air space.

The farthest-flung element is a handful of Defence Support Programme
satellites -- the exact number is secret -- said capable of detecting the
heat of a Soviet-designed SCUD missile launch from 22,300 miles (36,800 kms)
in space.

Ever poised to retaliate, the United States fields 2,440 nuclear warheads on
hair-trigger alert, including Trident missiles aboard 18 submarines and 550
intercontinental ballistic missiles buried in silos.

MOUNTAIN IS HOME TO NORAD

The ``Mountain'' is home to NORAD, the bi-national, U.S.-Canadian, North
American Aerospace Defence Command, which recently completed a five-year,
$1.8 billion upgrade to its air, space, missile-tracking and command-centre
elements.

Now the Pentagon is getting set to launch a giant systems-integration
project, setting the stage for a proposed shield to protect the United States
from limited missile attack by a ``rogue regime.''

The work will tie about 40 air, space and missile systems into a single,
integrated command and control system -- the biggest modernisation since the
complex became fully operational on Jan. 1, 1966.

The Air Force, which owns Cheyenne Mountain, has described the job as akin to
``changing an engine in flight'' -- meaning there can be no downtime for
systems scanning the skies.

Competing for the contract -- valued at another $1.8 billion over 15 years --
are teams headed by TRW Inc., Lockheed Martin, Boeing Co. and Raytheon Co. It
is expected to be awarded by next summer when President Bill Clinton is to
decide on deploying the proposed missile-intercept network, a spinoff from
President Ronald Reagan's ``Star Wars'' concept.

NORAD commander Gen. Richard Myers of the Air Force -- nominated last week by
Clinton to be the next vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff -- has said
a ``key assumption'' of national missile defence planning was that its nerve
centre would piggyback on current Cheyenne Mountain missions.

The complex -- 15 steel buildings on a 4-1/2 acre (1.8 hectares) grid
hollowed out of the granite mountain by 1.5 million pounds (0.675 kg) of
dynamite -- does not track only space and missile launches.

It also works with the U.S. Customs Department to counter drug-running. NORAD
maintains some 20 fighter aircraft along North America's perimeters on
24-hour alert, ready to scramble if needed to identify an unknown aircraft,
said Army Capt. Jeffrey Dean, chief of presentations at the mountain.

Another mission: tracking 8,134 man-made objects in orbit today, only 5
percent of them working satellites. A key goal is to protect costly
programmes like the space shuttle from orbiting debris, some as small as a
six-inch (15.24 cms) bolt.

FABLED WAR ROOM

Maj. Gen. David Bartram of Canada, NORAD'S director of operations, said he
and his colleagues were ``rarely surprised'' by a missile launch.

``The intelligence network provides us a pretty good indication of what's
happening around the world,'' he said in an interview in the command centre
-- the functional equivalent of war rooms in films like ``Dr. Strangelove,''
``Fail-Safe,'' and ``WarGames.''

By his side were ``hot lines'' to the national command 

[CTRL] Fw: roses

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-Original Message-
From: yair davidi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, 24 October 1999 17:45
Subject: roses


THE RED AND WHITE ROSE OF ISRAELITE ENGLAND
"The Zohar" is a collection of writings attributed to certain Talmudic
sages of the 2nd century c.e. It appeared in Spain in the 1270s and may
have been re-edited at that time.
Most (but not necessarily all) Orthodox Jews who study it consider "The
Zohar" to be inspired. It definitely does contain valuable traditions and
insights.

The Zohar speaks of a rose of alternate red and white petals which
symbolises Israel:

From the beginning of the "Zohar":


"`As the rose*g among the thorns, so is my love among the maidens' (Song
of Solomon 2;2): What is the rose: - It is the Assemblage of Israel, the
Community of Israel. For there is a rose (above) and a rose (below). Just
as the rose which is among the thorns has red and white, so does the
Assemblage of Israel have justice and mercy. Just as a rose has thirteen
petals, so does the Assemblage [Hebrew: "Knesset"] of Israel  have thirteen
measures of compassion encompassing it on all sides.
"...Five strong leaves surround the rose ..."


In ENGLAND BETWEEN THE YEARS 1450-1485 there occurred a series of
civil-wars, known as "Wars of the Roses" between the rival Houses of York
and Lancaster. Each side was represented by a rose, York by a white rose,
and Lancaster by a red one. At the end of the struggle a partly-Welsh
adventurer named Henry Tudor became king and claimed to unify in his person
the two rival sides. He chose as his symbol a rose with both red and white
petals (i.e. a large white rose with a smaller red rose overlayed on it)
and with five green leaves around it. This rose, unbeknown to Henry, was
(says the above-quoted Zohar) the symbol of Israel. Henceforth the
red-and-white petalled "Tudor Rose" became the symbol of the English
monarchs and therefore of England itself. The Tudor Rose admittedly has
only ten petals whereas the "Rose of Israel" described in the Zohar has
thirteen but then England being dominated by the tribe of Ephraim
represents only ten out of the original thirteen Israelite Tribes*h. The
Tudor rose is still counted amongst the official symbols of Britain. A
similar "rosette" design was used as a symbol of royalty by the northern
ten-tribed Israelites as well as by the Assyrians. What gives the Tudor
rose its significance is its choice of color that coincides with that of
the rose of Israel according to the Zohar.
   Henry Tudor was a great man3: He came from a Ruling House legendarily
connected with King Arthur and he may have been descended (as some believe)
from King David. "He has been called the Solomon of England"4.  The history
of modern England as an outwardly-looking independently minded great nation
begins with him. His reign marks the beginning of that period in which the
blessings promised to the seed of Israel would be realised in the British
and British-descended peoples! Under the Tudor monarchs, Newfoundland (in
Canada) was first settled laying the basis for the "Anglo-Saxon" (i.e. of
British-descent) colonisation of North America and of the British Empire.
The Tudor monarchs broke away from the Roman Church causing a
re-orientation of British thought towards the Bible.
Henry-VIII (the son of Henry Tudor) declared England to be an independent
country not subject to Rome. When he broke with Rome he appealed to
Rabbinical Jewish interpretations of the law. A leading Italian Rabbi (who
believed in the need of reconciliation with the Lost Ten Tribes) risked his
life and position to doctrinally support Henry. Elizabeth-I (the daughter
of Henry-VIII) knew Hebrew.
The Tudors defeated the Spaniards who at that time were the Pre-eminent
world power. The Spaniards had sent a vast fleet of immense manned boats to
invade England but were beaten due to the English Seamens' courage and
inspiration and several miraculous changes of the wind and weather. The
very elements seemed to fight on the English side. It may be said that
Divine Providence became more evident in the Tudor Period.

  The U.S.A. Congress in 1986 chose the rose as its national flower.

  In the precints of the HOLY TEMPLE in Jerusalem before its destruction
there was a special rose garden situated between the present Western
("Wailing") Wall and the actual Temple (i.e. Holy of Holies, Mishna Middot
ch.1).
Some sources of Jewish Rabbinical thought say that in order for the Third
Temple to be rebuilt the participation of the Lost Ten Tribes is
necessary5. The rose garden will have to be re-planted.

The 2nd edition of "The Tribes" is now available.
This work contains information of great interest
that you need to know.
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[CTRL] CDC/FDA concealed data about danger of Rotavirus vaccine- Doctor's group seeks congressional investigation

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(2-Sep-99 press release: http://aapsonline.org/aaps/press/nrburton.htm .)

   Rotavirus Vaccine Withdrawal Prompts Doctors to
 Ask for Congressional Investigation of Vaccine
Approval Process

  CDC and FDA May Have Ignored or Concealed Data About
   Life Threatening Side Effects to Infants

  WASHINGTON - The Association of American Physicians and
  Surgeons (AAPS) has asked Rep. Dan Burton to initiate a
  congressional investigation of the process by which all vaccines are
  tested, approved, and recommended as mandatory by the CDC. This
  action was prompted by the recent withdrawal of the rotavirus
  vaccine after it was revealed that between the vaccine s approval in
  August of 1998 and this July, at least 15 infants suffered life
  threatening intestinal obstructions (intussusception) after receiving
  the vaccine.

  But what may be even more alarming is the rate of intussusception in
  the clinical trials that were the basis for the vaccine s approval. A
  search of the records by AAPS reveals that it was thirty times the
  expected rate. But neither physicians nor parents were warned for
  watch for symptoms of intussusception. Eight infants have needed
  surgery, and one lost 7 inches of bowel.

  In an 8/31/99 letter to Rep. Burton, chairman of the Committee on
  Government Reform and Oversight, Jane M. Orient, MD, Executive
  Director of AAPS, writes:

   The situation with the rotavirus vaccine may be a clue to a far
   more serious problem with the vaccine approval process. The
   Surgeon General and CDC claim the vaccine s withdrawal
   prompted by the VAERS [Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting
   System] reports received through July 1999.

   But why was the vaccine approved in the first place when the
   incidence of the serious complication of intussusception was
   far higher in prelicensure trials than in the VAERS reports?

   We must ask, what did they know and when they know it?
   AAPS has been studying the reports and has concluded that
   the FDA and CDC may have ignored or concealed data that
   showed the problems from the outset.

  Despite this evidence of potential problems, information from the
  CDC web site, dated 3/23/99 reads:  In studies that have been done
  so far, rotavirus has been associated only with mild problems.

   As increasing numbers of vaccines are being mandated, one has to
  inquire whether the rotavirus story is the tip of the iceberg,  said Dr.
  Orient.  Just how rigorous is the process of safety testing? What are
  the guarantees of the integrity of the process? We believe the
  process may be tainted by conflicts of interest.

  The letter also calls for public disclosure of the approval process and
  independent review of data, and supports a provision introduced by
  Sen. Shelby that would require public access to all federally funded
  research:

   The tragedy of the rotavirus vaccine might never have
   happened if the public had access to the data used by the FDA
   and CDC in recommending the vaccine. The Shelby
   Amendment, if properly implemented, would ensure that
   federally financed research about vaccines could not be
   withheld from the public.

   ...Sunshine is a disinfectant, and public access to such data
   minimizes the opportunity for corruption, mistakes, and fraud
   concerning such data.

   Decisions about vaccines given to children should be made by
  parents in consultation with the child's attending physician, not
  mandated by a small group of  experts  with minimal accountability,
  said Dr. Orient.  While vaccines have been a very effective weapon
  against certain infectious diseases, this is no reason to relax safety
  standards or to override informed consent.

CONTACT: Kathryn Serkes (202) 333-3855

   Note: Letter to Rep. Burton and data on rotavirus vaccine trials and
   adverse effect rates are posted at www.aapsonline.org.

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[CTRL] FW: About Percy Schmeiser v. Monsanto

[Dave]

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Who's Our "Man of the Hour" ?
Percy Schmeiser - The Gutsy Canadian Farmer Who Dares Take on Monsanto
http://www.fightfrankenfoods.com
Speaking in an overflowing auditorium October 21, Percy Schmeiser, a farmer
and Mayor of Bruno, Saskatchewan, had the attention and  sympathies of 250
concerned citizens at the Harbour Towers Hotel in Victoria.  Accompanied by
Lynn Hunter, ex-MP for the British Columbia New Democratic Party and
presently a fish aquaculture specialist with the David Suzuki Foundation, he
spoke to a hushed crowd of citizens brought together by C.A.S.E.S (the
Citizens Action to Save the Environment Society).  CASES is the one of the
best known environmental groups in Victoria, headed by veteran activists
Derek and Gwen Mallard.

Mr. Schmeiser's talk was at most revealing, shocking, and anything but
comical as he described measures taken by Monsanto to bring legal action
against him for allegedly growing a genetically modified canola crop without
ever having purchased seed, nor signing a contract. A proud farmer of 40
years whose expertise grew out of life experience while picking up tips from
the customers/farmers who frequented his day job as a farm equipment dealer,
Percy was darned proud of his seed.

As he tells it, in 1948, Monsanto reps came out with DDT to control wild
mustard weed abundantly growing on the Prairies. The reps said that it would
kill all the weeds and that's the same line being used now. Monsanto adverts
suggest to "Spray 'Roundup' just before harvest" to sell more wheat, peas,
and barley.  By spraying on low-lying areas and hills, Roundup causes the
field to evenly ripen, but also kills the germination of next year's crop.

This year, Percy had to buy new seed to replace his contaminated 1400
hundred acres.

This fall, the Barley Grower's Association refused to buy barley sprayed
with Roundup.  Over 1/2 the countries worldwide won't buy genetically
engineered Canola.  Since the Canadian Government has allowed the growing of
these crops, Schmeiser asks, "Why should these (other) farmers be
penalized?" for the mistakes being made on neighbouring land.

And then there's the issue of the lawsuit.  He states that not only did he
never attend a meeting for the purpose of purchasing seeds from Monsanto, he
never purchased seed, nor signed a contract (which would have occurred at
the time of purchase). He hasn't even spoken to any of their reps.

Since the big M could not bring forth a hard-copy contract as proof, they
have since abandoned the claim that Schmeiser signed a contract.  What they
are saying, however, is that anyone caught with their seed in their crop is
guilty of infringing upon their patent. And this is how they're trying to
get Schmeiser.

Monsanto advertizes that genetically altered canola can be sprayed.  Mr.
Schmeiser says that while it may be cheaper the first year,
cross-pollination from the crop increases by 30% a year, meaning four to
five times as much pesticide is needed to control weeds on subsequent crops.
In the end, GE crops are no bargain for farmers, many of whom now fear for
their livelihood, and some, like Schmeiser, fear for their lives.  (He takes
an armed guard with him while traveling in his truck.)

What takes place to encourage well-meaning farmers throughout North America
to consider planting such a environmentally questionable crop in the first
place?  Farmers are first invited to a meeting attended by an array of
high-pressure salesmen.  They are then told something along the lines of,
"We'll sell you the seed, you sign our contract, but you must sell the seed
back to us and buy it again next year."  There is a $15 "technology charge"
to accompany the spiel, and for every year thereafter.  After the farmer
succumbs to purchase, the farmer must sign a contract stating that Monsanto
has the right to tread upon their land for 3 years following to check on
whether or not their seed is growing.  This is done to avoid infractions and
doesn't take into consideration occurances of cross-pollination. It should
also be mentioned that Monsanto has the right not only to its patented seed
technology, but legally owns the plants and profits from that crop. "It
doesn't matter how genetically modified seed got on anybody's land," say
Schmeiser, "...they say they have the gene.  They have a patent on the gene.
Now, they're trying to come in the back door.  They have complete control
over that plant, that seed.  Monsanto says, 'It's ours...' We don't have
rights left!"

In Saskatchewan and Alberta, if chemical spray from a neighbouring crop
pollutes adjacent land, the farmer has the right to sue.  But you can't sue
for genetic pollution from a genetically engineered crop.

What if a farmer is caught with patented seed? If the farmer has the unlucky
experience of getting caught, he or she is fined the dollar value of the
crop, plus has to sign a trade 

[CTRL] Fw: [endsecrecy] Echelon in New York Post

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From:
http://www.nypost.com/102199/commentary/16529.htm

Thursday, October 21st 1999
New York Post

IS BIG BROTHER READING YOUR E-MAIL?
By ROD DREHER

Want to give a big, fat finger to Big Brother today? Fax or e-mail this
column to a friend. Be sure to include the following words:

Unabomber. Anthrax. Fissionable plutonium. North Korea. Militia. Delta
Force. Ruby Ridge.

If the suspicions of Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), the American Civil Liberties
Union and cyber-libertarian "hacktivists" are correct, your fax or e-mail
containing those words will have been intercepted by a sophisticated
official electronic monitoring system called "Echelon."

Echelon is a supersecret global surveillance network, run by the U.S.
National Security Agency, in conjunction with the governments of Britain,
Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Echelon is said to intercept and sift through countless electronic
transmissions daily, filtering out those with particular "keywords" that
could signal a security threat. The purloined posts are later analyzed.

Hacktivists around the world have scheduled today as "Jam Echelon Day."
They're encouraging computer users to flood the Internet with e-mails
containing suspected keywords, hoping the deluge will short-circuit
Echelon's computers and satellites.

The public will never know if they succeed, but crashing Echelon is not
really the point. The protest is meant to raise public awareness about the
threat to privacy and civil liberties purportedly posed by the security
network, which sounds like something out of the movie "Enemy of the State."

Although the NSA will neither confirm nor deny Echelon's existence, too much
information has leaked out (through official statements and partially
declassified government documents) or has been uncovered by journalists and
investigators to allow for plausible deniability.

If reports, including a study by the European Parliament, are correct,
Echelon was organized after World War II, chiefly as a way for participating
countries to intercept Soviet communications.

With the Russian threat gone, there is growing evidence and concern that
Echelon is being used around the world for commercial espionage and keeping
tabs on non-military targets - such as me and thee.

Groups on both sides of the American political debate, from the ACLU on the
left to the Free Congress Foundation on the right, allege that Echelon's
technology and structure makes the unregulated monitoring of e-mails, faxes
and phone calls possible - this despite laws requiring court permission to
eavesdrop on private citizens.

"The NSA does not have jurisdiction in the U.S., but the way the
electronic-communications system is set up, I could send an e-mail to you,
and it could be routed through Canada," explains Free Congress' Lisa Dean.
"This puts the e-mail under NSA's jurisdiction."

The potential for Echelon's abuse has so bothered Barr, a former CIA
analyst, that he's pushing for congressional hearings.

"My concern is that they are sweeping far too broadly," Barr tells me. "I
believe that the rights of American citizens are being infringed.

"The danger is that we have no privacy whatsoever. Whenever you pick up an
instrument of communication, you run the risk of the government listening in
to you."

That claim is too far out for Steve Aftergood, who runs the Federation of
American Scientists' government-secrecy research project. However overblown
he considers the claims of Echelon alarmists, Aftergood supports Barr's call
for hearings to establish oversight.

"Unchecked monitoring and surveillance by the government poses a threat to
freedom of dissent," he said. "Even if the whole Echelon story is a
hallucination or a hoax, it is nevertheless the responsibility of Congress
to get to the bottom of it."







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Re: [CTRL] The World Energy Grid Program

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hey GOAT,

I dunno if you've come accross Dan Winter before, but his website puts some
graphics and visual aids to work in helping folks understand this stuff
years of dissolute living have rendered the math centers in my brain a
little to wholey for some of the stuff, but I enjoy what I can understand of
it.

see:
http://www.danwinter.com


Dave Hartley
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For a couple of decades now, I've been fascinated by Cathie's work --which I
can just barely understand, at best-- because my "gut" tells me he's on to
something DEEP ...  Combine Bruce Cathie's hypotheses with Bucky Fuller's in
"Synergistics" and you've got something like the most fundamental
HERMETICISM
regarding "creation" ex nihilo ...  I.e.,  "Space"-like light-energy
"stepped
down" through "octaves" of frequencies and wavelengths, harmonically, into
"layers" of mass of varying complexity and density, with those "layers,"
like
geological strata, across epochs "disintegrating" into microcosmic mass-unit
"particles ... With that framework within which this process occurs starting
off an a "dimensionalization" through "current" flowing through an initial
"point" (quantum) in a vibratory sequence which is, in "rotation" or "orbit"
half wave or field and half particle (a sequential yet cyclic change in the
ratio between space-like "energy" and "mass," along a "time"-like vector
representing a kind of "higher" but deeper dimension in the world of
sub-quantum probabilities) ... from the archetypal Point to Line, and
through
Angle, to Plane, and through replications of Plane forming "slices," to
Solid, and ALL these as a "holographic" multiplication of the same Point
through Time ("flow") operating under a system of right-angle "rotatory"
relations to ITSELF ... Geometry, used to analyze and mathematize a body,
applied IN REVERSE, so to speak ... Hence the 4 or 5 esoteric "instruments"
of the Ceremonial Magician's Work-ing in his "magic circle" (a "sphere,"
actually) -- the Wand (focused at a point), the Sword (with a linear edge),
the Pentacle or Platter (a circular or square plane), the Cup (an
incomplete,
intermediate receptacle)
and the ORB or CUBE -- depending on whether one is dealing with curved
spacetime as
in nature (the planet being an example) or with an ABSTRACT "flat" or
"square" math
minus the effects of gravity, in a closed system.  Hence the symbolism of
Masonry,
with reference to the "construction" of physical reality (at least HUMAN
reality, aware
of tools that can measure, angle, weight, etc.) by the Great Architect of
the
Universe, and its origin, possibly, among the Phoenician "Builders" of
Solomon's Temple -- built as a receptacle to house the Ark, in which
(traditionally) were stored an analogous set of HOLY "weights and measures,"
the FLOWERING (radiation of growth from a POINT) rod of Aaron, the sword of
Phinehas (its length the standard for a cubit), the cup of "manna" (standard
for liquid volume) ["manna" comes a Hebrew root *M-N meaning "to measure"],
the two TABLETS (flat-plane standards, esp. for the sacred right angle),
etc.
In short, there's a very ANCIENT mathematical/geometrical grasp of PHYSICS
here, going back from Plato to at least Pythagoras, and even beyond to the
Near East ...
And that's what Cathie's "vibratory harmonics of Light (energy)" reminds me
of ...

If the earthly physical plane (in the overall) is a "hologram" of
energy/mass, and energy is "free" to those who know HOW to "evoke" it from
the quantum Akasha --whose own biological FORMS would be only "holograms" of
similar construction, of which they'd presumably be in greater CONTROL--
then
the "objective" world of our senses is at bottom only a SUB-set of a less
"fixed," more "dream-like" SUBJECTIVE reality.  In such a reality,
"magicians" would create *illusions* in which "scientists," viewing things
as
determinants rather than products, would in effect find themselves to be
prisoners --
and would therefore convince "rational"-minded human beings to function
mechanically, like automatons, in a Simulacrum (a limited, imperfect
SIMULATION of Reality) which actually EXCLUDES those very very qualities of
human mind and will --freedom of thought to imagine new vistas of the
"possible" and freedom of action to (sometimes) do the "impossible"-- which
could enable human beings to MASTER this "illusion" ...

Which may be what some "Gnostics" (not the life-HATING ones) have been
telling us, from long before Plato, to Philip K. Dick and "The Matrix" TODAY
...  Who says that the "shaman's" realm is any less "orderly" than the
"laws"
of SCIENCE's idea of 'Nature'?

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Re: [CTRL] Net Bugs / IETF

[Dave]

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Most of the members of THIS particular IETF discussion list seem to believe
that the IETF's "job" is to make communication as SECURE as possible.
This is nearly the exact OPPOSITE of making email wire-tapping ( VoIP
tapping) easy for Feds or ANYBODY.
One exception seems to be the fella from NORTEL, which is a B-I-G Defense
contractor. (no big surprise about HIS position...)
Everyone else that I've read seems to favor STRONG ENCRYPTION and NO bowing
down to "law enforcement" desires to be able to easily browse through
individual's communications.


Dave Hartley
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Hi All,

Just wanted to comment on what appears to me to be an entirely naive
viewpoint of some commentators with regard to Big Government's insatiable
desire to infringe upon privacy by any means necessary.

My comments will be mostly centered around the U.S., since this is where I
have the greatest degree of understanding.

First of all, it can be indisputably shown that in the U.S. (likely
everywhere else) the largest illicit drug importation is done BY "secret"
elements of the government itself. (not even SO "secret"... our Congress has
had exhaustive "hearings" on the subject)

The "war on DRUGS" is a War on the PEOPLE, an excuse to invade homes with
little or NO "probable cause," and excuse to SEIZE ASSETS of any citizen
merely by accusing them of being involved with drugs, and this "war on
drugs" is being pushed HARD in EVERY direction toward fascist
uber-government.

The GOVERNMENT is CREATING the "menace" and MANIPULATING the media into
HERDING the populace into a state of SUBMISSION-  the supposedly "free" U.S.
is rapidly becoming a fascist state, as people are manipulated into giving
up human rights and rights supposedly safeguarded by the U.S. Constitution.

The right to privacy - to "be secure in our homes, our papers  effects" is
guaranteed in writing in the U.S. Constitution.

Illegal search and seizure is now a daily fact of life in the U.S.

The government is an organized criminal enterprise, according to the U.S.
Constitution, and according to some International standards of human rights.

They will quite predictably be jockeying for ever increasing power and
fascist control over the populace.  A requirement for a "national I.D. card"
was just beaten back by the angry populace.

Recently, we won another small victory in forbidding our government from
requiring our banks to inform the government of any "suspicious" transaction

which "did not conform to our normal banking habits"...

In a year or two these bastards will be tapping our freakin' sewer lines and
analyzing our SHIT to try and get "evidence."

The other B-I-G rallying cry is "pedophiles"

In the U.S., there are a number of government officials who've been caught
in various sex-crimes (some of which may NOT have been "criminal" in a more
enlightened society) and there is a great body of evidence that much
pornography (incl. the dreaded "pedophiles") is a source of INCOME to the
organized crime portion of the GOVERNMENT.

PROHIBITIONS are the government's way of taking over valuable marketplaces,
and of creating other valuable marketplaces such as the PRISON/INDUSTRIAL
complex.

The "free" U.S. has IMPRISONED a greater percentage of it's population than
A-N-Y other country in the world.

It is high time for all persons worldwide to attempt to CURB
big-government's Orwellian Big-Brother fascism.

Either that, or get used to having 

[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: cross ban

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School's ban on cross necklaces is
Christian-bashing, say Libertarians

WASHINGTON, DC -- A threat by an Alabama school to discipline
an 11-year-old girl for wearing a cross necklace shows why you can't
trust government schools to protect religious freedom, the Libertarian
Party said today.

"Students go to school to learn -- but what kind of lesson do
they learn when the government says that wearing a cross is a crime?"
asked Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "It seems the
lesson of the day in Alabama is Religious Intolerance 101."

Earlier this month, attorneys for Kandice Smith, a sixth-grader
at Curry Middle School in Walker County, Alabama, filed a lawsuit in
federal court to overturn what they called an "unconstitutional" dress
code.

In August, the school banned cross necklaces as part of its new
dress code -- claiming they are "gang symbols." School officials
threatened to discipline Smith if she didn't hide the cross under her
clothes.

But Smith's attorneys argue the policy "violates the free
speech and free exercise rights [of Smith] by denying her the ability
to express her faith through the visible wearing of the necklace." The
lawsuit also charges that the school "demonstrates a hostility toward
religion."

Dasbach said Libertarians agree -- but have a better solution.

"Any dress code that bans a popular Christian symbol is clearly
unconstitutional, and we're confident the court will agree. But
changing this particular school's dress code isn't the answer," he
said.

 "After all, if Kandice Smith wins, the problem will be solved
at Curry Middle School. But it doesn't change the fact that thousands
of government school districts all across the country have the power to
implement a similar anti-Christian ban tomorrow.

"And it doesn't change the fact that government schools
routinely teach values and beliefs that many Christians find
abhorrent -- while forcing them to pay taxes to subsidize those
schools. That's why this lawsuit won't solve the real problem."

So what will?

"Most Christians support a separation of church and state
because they understand that government should not come between
people's relationship with their God," said Dasbach. "What Libertarians
understand is that we need a separation of school and state for the
same reason: To protect children like Kandice Smith from the kind of
religious intolerance she is experiencing at a government school."

That's why the underlying problem will only be solved when
America starts moving toward a system where children are educated in
free-market, religious, or voluntary community schools -- not
tax-funded government schools, he said.

"In a free-market system -- where people aren't forced to
subsidize costly, failing government schools -- parents would be able
to send their children to schools that teach their values, and respect
their beliefs," said Dasbach. "In a free-market system, Kandice Smith's
parents wouldn't be forced to send her to a school that makes wearing a
cross a crime."

The idea of moving away from government-run schools and towards
private alternatives can be somewhat unsettling for many Christians,
Dasbach acknowledged.

"But remember this: Jesus Christ was sentenced to death by his
government," he said. "So, do you want to blindly trust our government
to educate your children properly -- especially after what it's done to
Kandice Smith?"

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[CTRL] Fwd: Honor the Memory (Long)

[K]

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 This made my eyeballs moisten a bit, especially when I recall a faint
 childhood memory (I was 4) of watching TV news and seeing Soviet tanks
 rolling through Hungary...

 Regards,
 Olga

 HONOR THE MEMORY
 Hungary: October 22, 1956
  By Bela Liptak

 There must have been a couple of thousand students in the aula that day,

 but
 none of us were really paying much attention to what was going on.  One
 could hear a constant murmur in the hall.  It was like any other meeting
 in
 the communist world.  They talked at us and our only defense was not to
 listen.
 Below our gallery, on the main floor of the aula, the two Rectors of the

 dual university, László Gillemot and Tibor Cholnoky were at the
 microphone.
 With them were some professors, the Communist Party Secretary, lesser
 Party
 officials, and the leaders of the Communist Youth Organization, the
 DISZ.
 It was the DISZ that convened the meeting.  In their uniform of blue
 jackets, white shirts, and red neckties, the leaders of DISZ appeared
 like
 a
 special breed of penguins or booby birds.  They called the meeting to
 preempt the spread of MEFESZ3, the new, non-communist student
 association.
 MEFESZ had just been formed in Szeged and possibly because of that,
 suddenly
 the DISZ seemed to care a lot about us.  They talked about special train

 passes for students, cheaper textbooks, better food and housing.  They
 did
 all the talking; we did not speak up.  We never did.   It was their
 show,
 so
 they could do all the talking.
 And talk they did.  I was scraping the rust off my "gold" ring, which
 cost
 me thirty-six forints and must have had some copper in its heritage,
 because
 it was turning green.  I was spitting, rubbing, and was just beginning
 to
 make some progress when I felt Attila's elbow in my side.  He was
 pointing
 down to the speakers' platform, where there was some commotion. The
 murmur
 in the aula stopped. There was total silence.  In startled curiosity the

 dozing students were waking up, sitting up and starting to pay
 attention.
 You could hear a pin drop.  Then, from the middle of the tumult at the
 microphone, a voice rose: "I represent the MEFESZ of Szeged!  I want to
 speak!"
 It was unprecedented!  Extraordinary!  The air was thick with tension.
 We
 didn't know who spoke, didn't understand what was happen-ing.  All we
 could
 see was that the DISZ-penguins were shoving a small fellow away from the

 microphone.  He was a student, like us, and he was talking,
 gesticulating,
 but we heard nothing as the blue-jacketed DISZ people had pushed him all

 the
 way to the wall.
 Then the Party Secretary, Mrs. Orbán, admonished us, "You have only one
 duty! Your duty is to study!"  She was almost screaming.  "You don't
 want
 the MEFESZ of Szeged!  You don't want any ideas from Szeged!" I could
 not
 imagine why Szeged was suddenly such a bad place.  I didn't particularly

 care what she was saying but was hypnotized by this mini-hero, this
 crazy
 little guy from Szeged.
 I don't understand him.  I don't understand what he wants.  Is he out of

 his
 mind? Does he not know that he will be kicked out of the university?
 Not
 only that! He will also be thrown in jail, that is, right after they
 beat
 the shit out of him!?  Does he not understand that we are nobodies, that

 our
 collective name is "Shut Up?"  Does he not under-stand that he is
 nothing,
 that I am nothing, that we have no say in anything?  Does he not
 understand
 that the microphone is only for the Party collaborators and nobody, but
 nobody else talks into it?  Does he not know that even the penguins dare

 only to read their prepared statements?  And even then they don't dare
 to
 just speak but they wait until they are told that it is their turn.
 Attila muttered my own thoughts, when he said: "I just don't get it!"
 Then
 we saw the members of the military department, the only people who
 possessed
 arms at the university, marching onto the speaker's platform and we got
 very
 quiet. You could have cut the tension with a knife.  My throat was dry,
 my
 breath bated.  All eyes were on the officers.  Then suddenly, from a
 distance, we heard a voice.  It was that of a fifth-year architecture
 student, a blond, very tall young man by the name of Jancsi Danner, he
 yelled: "Let him speak!"
 My heart stopped.  Nothing like this had ever happened since the Red
 Army
 had occupied Hungary.  I stared at Jancsi.  His ears were red, his mouth

 was
 trembling, but he did not blink, he faced the bewildered and frightened
 stares of two thousand students.
 "God, he has lost his marbles!"  I said.
 In the meantime, a new and angry sort of murmur building, it was
 replacing
 the previously astonished silence and now, a few rows in front of us,
 Laci
 Zsindely, a classmate of mine, hesitantly started to clap.  It was then
 that
 the miracle occurred!
 First one, then two, then four or five students joined in and suddenly
 this
 sparse 

Re: [CTRL] CDC/FDA concealed data about danger of Rotavirus vaccine- Doctor's group seeks congressional investigation

[Tenorlove]

 -Caveat Lector-

This is a prime example of creating a problem to sell a solution. The
pharmaceutical companies have spent the last almost-a-century
undermining breast-feeding to create a market for their artificial baby
milk, which was invented to create a market for whey, a byproduct of
cheese-making that is otherwise considered waste. The babies lose the
advantages of breast-feeding, including resistance to diarrheal
diseases. So then the pharmaceutical companies came up with--Rotavirus
vaccine! I wonder what they will come up with to counteract the bad
side effects of the vaccine?

Tenorlove
who personally insured the best start for her children by
breast-feeding them until natural weaning took place. For more info
http://www.lalecheleague.org
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[CTRL] [Fwd: SAS plane crash cost NATO race for Pristina]

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 Original Message 
Subject: SAS plane crash cost NATO race for Pristina
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:53:43 -0500 (CDT)
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The Times (London)
October 24 1999
SAS plane crash cost Nato race for Pristina Tom Walker
A SECRET mission by British SAS troops to beat the Russians to Pristina
airport on the night before Nato's liberation of Kosovo ended in
disaster when their Hercules transport plane crashed on takeoff in
northern Albania, sources in the province have revealed. General Sir
Mike Jackson, former commander of the Nato-led Kfor troops, has always
said he wanted to avoid confrontation with the Russians. But the doomed
SAS mission suggests he was prepared to fly two squads of elite troops
into a risky operation with unpredictable results. "It may have been a
blessing that the plane crashed," one military official in Kosovo
admitted last week. "It could have averted a firefight."
The Hercules C-130, with its registration number blanked out, exploded
in a ball of flame near a refugee camp outside Kukes, 15 miles from the
Kosovo border, at 11.30pm on Friday, June 11, the eve of Nato's
invasion. Because the plane's mission was unknown, little significance
was attached to the crash.
However, it appears to have been a turning point that allowed the
Russians a vital public relations coup. The outcome infuriated General
Wesley Clark, Jackson's American superior, who saw Nato's seizure of the
airport as vital.
As the Hercules ran into difficulties the Russians, who had spent Friday
driving through Serbia from Bosnia, had only just received diplomatic
clearance to continue towards the Kosovo capital. The SAS unit was a
30-minute hop from Pristina airport and would have beaten them by at
least an hour.
Instead, its 12 soldiers found themselves in a nightmare: one who was
caught in the crash inferno was badly burnt and lost part of a leg. The
Hercules pilot has nevertheless been praised for his quick thinking in
avoiding a worse disaster. As the plane struggled to take off from a
short landing strip he realised a shifting load had made it dangerously
unstable.
He banked to make an emergency landing but clipped a building, starting
a spin that he just corrected before the aircraft broke apart at the end
of the runway, 200yds from an Albanian refugee camp. A Ministry of
Defence inquiry is examining how the load - which included Land Rovers,
motorbikes and ammunition - came loose, trapping the injured soldier.
Officials in Pristina say the mission fell within Jackson's overall plan
for SAS troops to secure all points of entry into Kosovo. One said an
explosive row between Jackson and Clark - in which Jackson famously said
"it's not worth starting world war three" for control of Pristina
airport - could have been avoided had the SAS reached it first.
Officials say the airport showdown was not the only point of conflict
between the two men. One said Jackson was "tempted to resign - he
couldn't do his job". Eventually Tony Blair was alerted and he phoned
President Bill Clinton, who told Clark to go easy on Jackson. "Military
historians will eventually have a field day with the Kosovo conflict,"
the source said. He predicted increased scrutiny of the role of the SAS,
which was more involved than had been realised. Any role played by the
SAS in calling in Nato airstrikes remains unclear, although many
analysts question the official claim that it was not inside Kosovo
during the campaign.
The SAS shared communications equipment with the Kosovo Liberation Army
on the Albanian border, and such links eventually allowed liaison units
to "be in position over all the land routes into Kosovo", one source
said.
Little love was lost between them and American CIA agents, based in
Tirana. "You get the best and the worst in the Americans," said the
source. "These were the worst - they were trailer trash. They shouldn't
have been allowed out without adult supervision." The incompetence of
American intelligence, he said, led to a lack of readiness among
American Kfor troops that delayed the force's eventual deployment by 24
hours.
A Russian surveillance vessel, the Liman, kept a constant watch on Nato
operations from the Adriatic. The SAS was not surprised that the
Russians moved so quickly towards Pristina. "They had a humanitarian
interest," said one source. "They knew that if they didn't get to
Pristina rapidly, the KLA could be there first and that would have meant
big problems for local Serbs."


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[CTRL] [Fwd: Paul Watson: NATO Officials Lied]

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 Original Message 
Subject: Paul Watson: NATO Officials Lied
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:50:35 -0500 (CDT)
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[Note: Although Paul Watson is a reporter for the Los Angeles Times,
he's actually a Canadian citizen.]


Watson: NATO officials lied during NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia
October 23, 1999
Rome, Oct. 22 (Tanjug) - NATO's high military representatives and its
spokesman Jamie Shea lied during the bombing of Yugoslavia, "The Los
Angeles Times" reporter Paul Watson stated in an interview for the
Italian "Manifesto" daily.
American journalist specified that during his stay in Kosovo and
Metohija he has never seen Serbs killing Albanians but witnessed the
massacre committed by NATO fighting jets striking Pristina downtown. The
same day, Watson said, spokesman Shea denied that NATO bombed civilian
targets in Pristina and accused Serbs for doing so. It was absurd,
Watson said and added:
"During the war NATO's officials denied the truth facts and insisted on
the things that were lies. When I found my self standing in front of the
burnt and bloody bodies of children killed by NATO's bombs I began to
despise the authors of these atrocities and cruelty".
Watson intends to write a book on what actually happened in Kosovo and
Metohija during the NATO's bombing.
The "Manifesto" daily recalled that Paul Watson was the only western
journalist who staid in Kosovo after the leaving of OSCE mission
members. He won prize for photography in 1994 for the picture of a
Somalian dragging the body of an American pilot through the streets of
Mogadiscio.



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Re: [CTRL] The World Energy Grid Program

[TenebrousT]

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In a message dated 10/23/99 11:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 MHO, No, it boils down to math numbers, truth and beauty. Yes, there is a
  place where time and space are nothing/same but to realize that one must
  enter a god like state. A god like state has its own "protections" either a
  person burns or his able to 'transcend" and be. Fleeting glimpses are
  shown/experienced by mankind. Most sci-fi, is just that fiction. Physical
  time travel is impossible, spirtual affectation of nullification of that
  continuum is attainable there are thoughts in time that one can mingle and
  times of unity that have ripples for those sensitive.  Unital values are
 very
  important for introduction of alchemical change upon the brain's
  conceptulization and culture. Mankind is very old and there have many wise
  souls alongthe way you have told us all we need to know. There are
"renegade
  priests" attacking the very psyche of the world for power, control and
  wealth. The secret societies hide behind the facades of wealth and
privelege
  but are naked before man and God. HG wells was a big fabian--wolf in
sheep's
  clothing, gradualists --breaking down beliefs and following occultic ritual
  to subdue us, hoi polloi.

  We make our reality one stupid mistke, one brilliant flash, one oppressed
  moment at a time. Reality always has its moments of opportunity and windows
  beyond our ken. The force of  culture and generation steamrolls. Either
dark
  age or transparency, me I vote transparency.

  Om
  K

Are you saying that you believe our physical existence to be a reality that
is existent beyond us, and which binds us?  I agrere wholeheartedly with your
comments about the secret societies clouding issues and using occultic
symbolism and ceremony to "hoodwink" us and use our spiritual energy for the
furtherance of their own power and wealth.  In my view Physicality itself is
illusory, since IF we are TO BE immortal and everlasting we MUST be so now,
and since "flesh" is not everlasting we have no corporeal nature, it is an
imposition.  Our reality is a collective that is given power by continued
belief over eons and the continued belief in it now which is strengthened by
the priesthood of modern scientists who order and categorize it.  Naturally
to transcend this physicality one must enter a god like state since by its
very nature you would be god like and outside the bounds of the rules in
which we live now, and be no longer subject to them.  IF all time is NOW,
then all things must BE NOW, thus we are transcendant immortal beings of
spirit, and merely percieve things to be otherwise.  Ritual is used to reveal
this to us, and certainly I would grant your comments on mathematics as well,
because after all, math is a powerful form of ritual, an ordering and a
rendering of "reality".  I would like to hear more of this topic, but
understand it may not be for the list, or is it?


it?  
*

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Re: CITIZEN'S GUIDE TO THE WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION!]

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Subject: Re: CITIZEN'S GUIDE TO THE WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION!
Date: 24 Oct 1999 11:52:25 -
From: Eternera [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Eternera [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Hello Joshua2
thanks for the "CITIZEN'S GUIDE TO THE WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION!"
Here is something from the site http://www.seattle99.org
the List Owner

   STATEMENT OF JOAN CLAYBROOK
  President, Public Citizen
  TransAtlantic Consumers Dialogue (TACD)
Brussels, Belgium
  April 23, 1999

 I would like to thank our European hosts for all of the work that
went into organizing this
 meeting. As many of you may know, Public Citizen, the U.S. national
consumer group
 founded in 1971 by Ralph Nader, was highly skeptical about the
creation of the
 TransAtlantic Consumer Dialogue because it was initiated by the
Office of the U.S. Trade
 Representative, with whom we have had deep disagreements for almost a
decade in both
 Republican and Democratic administrations.

 And I apologize for Ambassador Esserman's premature departure. She
needs to hear that
 many of the U.S. government positions she has just presented are in
direct contradiction to
 the positions held in common by U.S. and EU consumer groups.

 Public Citizen has disagreed with the U.S. government about the
absence of the consumer,
 environmental, labor and other NGO voices in international economic
policy-making; we
 have disagreed about the legitimacy of business groups and government
officials making
 trade and regulatory policy behind closed doors, such as with TABD;
we have disagreed
 about the content of GATT, which places a premium on commercial
transactions compared
 to human values -- which with the WTO's enforcement -- can undermine
our health and
 safety protections in secret, autocratic, undemocratic proceedings;
we have disagreed about
 Fast Track ­ a uniquely undemocratic procedure hatched by President
Nixon in 1974 and
 since used five times to ram trade agreements through our Congress
with limited debate.
 We repeatedly sued the government during the early l990s to pry open
the door, but the
 meager consultations we obtained were misused to legitimize the very
outcomes to which
 the NGOs were opposed.

 Having been essentially excluded, we turned to a decade of hard work
organizing and
 extensive coalition-building. It has produced results. In the past
two years, we beat the U.S.
 government legislatively on its misguided trade policies -- on Fast
Track (twice), the
 NAFTA for Africa, and the 23 nation Caribbean Basin NAFTA expansion.
And, with an
 international NGO coalition, we pre-empted the MAI at the OECD.

 In the ashes of these political losses, the Clinton Administration
has initiated a "charm
 strategy" with NGOs, including the environmental and consumer
organizations, hoping to
 entice us with talk of consultation, openness and balance, and with
that potentially comes
 diversionary busy work. It's easy to talk the talk, but will the
Administration walk the walk
 down a new path of balanced international commercial rules and open
policy-making?

 That the Administration was launching the TransAtlantic Economic
Partnership (TEP)
 despite having no authority to do so and without consumer or
environmental input was not
 faith inspiring. All of this was the context behind the proposal by
the U.S. Trade
 Representative's office for creating a TransAtlantic Dialogue and why
we had a hostile
 reaction last fall.

 I want to make clear that our complaint was -- and is -- with the
U.S. government posture
 on trade issues and not in opposition to international cooperation.
For years Public Citizen
 and Ralph Nader have been collaborating closely with international
consumer and citizen
 groups on our extensive consumer, trade and globalization activities.
We completely
 support the idea of close cooperation between U.S. and EU consumer
organizations for the
 purpose of advancing consumer protection and democratic values.

 Yet it remains to be seen whether TACD can be effective. TACD, like
any group, will be
 measured by its actual results. I make this point particularly for
the government
 representatives who are with us: the measure of TACD's success, how
much time and effort
 many groups will put into it in the future, TACD's very legitimacy,
will be determined solely
 by its effectiveness in obtaining specific consumer goals.

 The question facing us now is whether the addition of a formal
consumer voice through
 TACD into U.S.-EU position-setting concerning the GATT-WTO and with
regard to the
 TransAtlantic Economic Partnership (TEP) negotiations will result in

Re: [CTRL] Vaccine links/question/Dave

[Sammark4]

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In a message dated 10/23/1999 12:36:35 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Persons who think for themselves and question authority will readily
  discover that vaccination is an extremely PROFITABLE industry, and that the
  practice of vaccination is EXTREMELY QUESTIONABLE in terms of RISKS vs
  unproveable supposed benefits.

I suppose it goes without saying that the same goes for our pets?  My
state has no philosophical objection clause for rabies shots.  I don't look
forward to watching my pets' health decline.

Samm

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Re: [CTRL] People Who Have Died After Being on the Art Bell Show

[Sammark4]

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In a message dated 10/23/1999 12:47:42 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 And of course the beloved Father Malichi, a real Catholic exorcist. He
  predicted a meteor would hit the earth.

Malachi Martin died after being on Bell's show?  How very sad.  Do you think
any of this implicates Bell?  I've never listened to him and don't know if
he's considered reliable and safe or not.

Samm

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[CTRL] Waco Author Speaks

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 Subj: Fw: Author of WACO book Speaks Out!
 Date:  10/23/1999 10:39:40 PM Central Daylight Time
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 From: Don Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:57 PM
 Subject: Author of WACO book Speaks Out!


 
 
 
 
 For those who actually "think" anything has changed about Waco...
 
 WACO JUSTICE COMING?
 
From:  Jack DeVault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Organization:
  Rescue Press
 
 
 Yesterday the San Antonio Express-News has a front page story with the
 headline, Reno vows to determine truth regarding FBI's actions at Waco"
 
 The sub-headline quotes Reno as saying "It is absolutely critical we
 do everything humanly possible to learn all the facts as accurately as
 possible."
 
 This woman is either the second smoothest liar in our government
 today, or she is the stupidest Attorney General in the history of the
 world.  A careful examination on the facts tends to support the first
 possibility.  She appointed Ron Noble from the Treasury Department to
 carefully whitewash the early internal investigation of the massacre
 of the Branch Davidians.  She arranged her ATF flunkies who were
 responsible for the disaster to be fired and then rehired with safer
 federal jobs in return for their continued silent cooperation and
 subterfuge.  She has alway promised to provide complete information
 but has never cooperation   Now, after the beans have been spilled by
 some of the honest FBI men and the Texas Rangers she promises to get
 "all the facts"
 
 The reality of the situation is that there really aren't many new
 facts.  We had testimony of all of these allegations which are now
 being printed six years ago.  In my book, The Waco Whitewash, I told
 of Derick Lovelock's description of being shot at while he and several
 other Branch Davidians were trying to escape the burning building by
 way of the dining room door on the northeast side of the building
 Lovelock was one of the eight survivors of the fire and was then held
 in the Waco jail as a material witness.  After a few days he was
 allowed to go to his home in England with an official release that
 required him to come back and testify at the trial. He was never heard
 from again.
 
 Although there are new allegations that there were Delta force
 personnel present at the end of the 51 day siege and that they
 participated in the final attack on April 19th, in violation of the
 Posse Commitaus Act, it was clear from the outset that there were
 three US Army helicopters participating in the February 28 raid by the
 ATF.  There is sufficient evidence that gunfire came from those
 helicopters.  This missuse of the military was known and whether the
 FBI abused the consttitution or the ATF did is of little
 significance.  We now know that both of them lie -- and that both of
 them are subordinate to Janet Reno.
 
 We also know that the Chief of the "Independent" Investigators, a team
 of four, that Janet Reno appointed to determine the cause of the fire
 that burned to death 76 Branch Davidians was Paul Gray, a former ATF
 employee, whose wife was still working for the ATF at the time of the
 investigation.  And we know that the report that was submitted was the
 work of Paul Gray, ignoring the input of the other investigators.
 
 We know that Jeffrey Jamar, the Special Agent In Charge at Mt. Carmel,
 had told Dick DeGarren On April 14 that everything was on hold and
 that the FBI would simply hold their ground until David Koresh
 finished his work on the Seven Seals and that no attack was being
 planned -- at the same time the assault plan was being presented to
 Janet Reno urging her approval.
 
 We hear on the news now that they launched a few pyrotechnic rounds
 into the bunker at the north end of the building and that this was at
 the beginning of the attack around 6 a.m..  At the trial we heard
 testimony from Special Agent R.J. Craig who was in charge of the
 tracked vehicles.  Craig testified that in addition to the M-60 tanks
 which were used to batter into the building there were at least four
 smaller tracked vehicles called Bradleys which were launching 40 mm
 ferret rounds into all doors and windows of the building all morning
 long.  Although he didn't testify to a specific number of total rounds
 he did testify that to his knowledge one of these vehicles had fired
 96 rounds.  If there were only four vehicles and this was the average
 that would account for the firing of almost 400 ferret rounds at the
 Mt. Carmel structure.
 
 Special Agent Craig also testified that he had been briefed to
 initiate the attack by destroying the trap-door leading to the
 underground bus at the north end of the building.  That's where he
 

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The Onion
http://www.theonion.com


  WASHINGTON, DC--In a historic decision with major
implications for the future of U.S. participatory democracy, the Supreme
Court ruled 8-1 Monday that the American people are unfit to govern.
 The controversial decision, the first of its kind in
the 210-year history of U.S. representative government, was, according
to Justice David Souter, "a response to the clear, demonstrable
incompetence and indifference of the current U.S. citizenry in matters
concerning the operation of this nation's government."
  As a result of the ruling, the American people will no
longer retain the power to choose their own federal, state and local
officials or vote on matters of concern to the public.
  "This decision was by no means easy, but it unfortunately
had to be done," said Justice Antonin Scalia, who penned the majority
decision in the case. "The U.S. Constitution is very clear: In the event
that the voting public becomes incapacitated or otherwise unfit to carry
out its duties of self-governance, there is a danger posed to the
republic, and the judicial branch is empowered to remove said public and
replace it with a populace more qualified to lead."
  "In light of their unmitigated apathy toward issues of
import to the nation's welfare and their inability to grasp even the
most basic principles upon which participatory democracy is built, we
found no choice but to rule the American people unfit to govern at this
time," Scalia concluded.
  The controversial ruling, court members stressed, is not
intended as a slight against the character of the American people, but
merely a necessary measure for the public good.
  "The public's right to the best possible representation is a
founding principle of our nation," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor told
reporters. "If you were on a jet airliner, you wouldn't want an
untrained, incompetent pilot at the controls, and this is the same
thing. As federal justices, we have taken a solemn oath to uphold every
citizen's constitutional rights, and if we were to permit an
irresponsible, disinterested public to continue to helm the ship of
state, we would be remiss in our duties and putting the entire nation at
risk."
  The ruling brings to an end a grueling 10-month process,
during which more than 100 Supreme Court hearings were held to determine
the public's capacity for self-governance. Despite the fact that these
hearings were aired on C-SPAN, a majority of U.S. citizens were unaware
of them because coverage was largely eclipsed by the Clinton-Lewinsky
scandal, the retirement of NBA legend Michael Jordan, and the release of
Titanic on home video.
  The Supreme Court found that, though 78 percent of U.S.
citizens have seen the much-anticipated Star Wars prequel trailer, only
one in 200,000 were aware that the multibillion-dollar "Star Wars"
missile-defense system had been approved by Congress. Additionally,
while 62 percent of citizens correctly identified the cast of Suddenly
Susan, only .01 percent were able to identify Attorney General Janet
Reno beyond "some woman Jay Leno always says looks like a man." Further,
only .0003 percent could correctly identify the ancient Greek city-state
of Athens as the birthplace of the concept of an educated citizenry
participating in democratic self-rule.
  Above: Just some of the millions of empty voting booths that can be
seen across America each November.But the final straw,
Supreme Court justices said, came last week when none of the 500,000
random citizens polled were aware that Russian President Boris Yeltsin
had threatened global thermonuclear war in response to NATO air attacks
in Yugoslavia.
  "I mean, come on," Justice William Rehnquist said. "Global
thermonuclear war? It's just ridiculous. There was just no way we could
trust such a populace to keep running things after that."
  Populations currently being considered to fill the
leadership void until the American people can be rehabilitated and
returned to self-governance include those of Switzerland, Sweden and
Canada.
  "I'm willing to do what I can to help out in this time of
crisis and make sure that my vote counts," said Stockholm resident Per
Johanssen. "I've been reading up on America a bit, just to get a general
idea of what needs to be done, and from what I can tell, they really
need some sort of broad-based health-care reform over there right away."
  In a provisional test of the new system, the Canadian
province of Saskatchewan will hold primaries next Tuesday to re-evaluate
last fall's gubernatorial election in Minnesota.
  The lone dissenting vote came from Justice Anthony Kennedy,
who, in his minority opinion wrote, "Although the American people are
clearly unable to make responsible decisions at this time, it is not
their fault that they are so uninformed. Rather, the blame lies with the
media interests and corporate powers 

[CTRL] Compelling Alt/Cancer Lecture 1/2

[Gavin Phillips]

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Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez
Lecture of Dr. William Donald Kelley's Research
Nutritional Diet for Cancer

For Dr. Kelley cancer began with eye problems.  He was riding down the road
and noticed that he was having trouble reading street signs.  At 35 years old
he had always had 20/20 vision.  Over the subsequent months his eyesight got
progressively worse and he called his opthamologist.  The opthamologist told
him that at 35 he was just getting older and prescribed glasses for Dr.
Kelley.  A few months later while he was with his patients (Dr. Kelley was an
orthodontist) he noticed that he was having trouble seeing the patient's
teeth clearly.  He went back to his opthamologist who said "this is
interesting, you need bifocals".  That didn't sit well on Kelley's soul
because he was only 35 years old he thought that was much too young to wear
bifocals, but he wore the glasses anyway and they seemed to help.

After three months, he noticed that he could see far distances pretty well
and he could read and work on his patients but the intermediate distances
were getting fuzzy.  This was unusual and he went back to his opthamologist
who discovered that Kelley needed trifocals.  The opthamologist was amazed,
he had never had a patient who needed trifocals before.  It was around this
time that Kelley began having muscle cramps in his arms.  Initially, it
wasn't too bad and he figured that it was because he was spending so much
time working, some days up to 12 hours.  The cramps progressed to where they
were like severe charlie horses and moved to his legs as well.  Shortly
afterwards he developed chest pains.  These pains became so severe that he
was taken to the hospital a total of three times thinking it was a heart
attack but the EKGs were normal.  He went to his local doctor who told him
that he was just working too hard and needed to take some time off.  Kelley
did take some time off, but the pains didn't get any better.

Just about the time he began having problems with the muscle pains he also
noticed that his hair was falling out.  He had a thick head of hair and
thinning hair didn't run in his family.  At 35, he considered this pretty
serious.  He went to his doctor again and his doctor said that it was just a
symptom of stress and aging and there was nothing he could do about it.
About the time his hair started falling out, he developed crippling
depression.  Dr. Kelley had never been depressed a day in his life.  He
worked 12 to 14 hours a day - loved his job, had 4 beautiful children (all
adopted) that he adored, had a good wife who was active in community affairs
that he loved.  Suddenly he was waking up with crying spells, was losing
interest in his family, losing
interest in his work and thinking of leaving it all and moving to the
mountains of Colorado.  He went to his doctor and begged for some
anti-depressant drugs, but his doctor refused and told him to just take some
more time off.

Kelley took more time off but the depression got worst.  Just when he was
getting suicidal, his stomach expanded suddenly overnight.  His doctor put
him in the hospital immediately.  Being a well known orthodontist in the
Texas community where he lived, all the local surgeons and gastrointestinal
doctors were called in.  The surgeon took one look at him said "this man has
terminal cancer".  This was in 1964 and they didn't have CT scans or
sophisticated ultra-sound equipment.  They just had x-ray machines and simple
ultra-sound machines.  They did a series of x-rays that showed that he had
lesions in his lungs, a huge tumor in his right hip, his liver was swollen to
three times it's normal size and it appeared that he had a pancreatic tumor
that had matasticized very quickly.  The surgeon said Kelley was too sick to
operate and told Mrs. Kelley that he had 4 to 8 weeks to live.  The news got
worse.  His wife handled this sudden occurrence by leaving Dr. Kelley with 4
young children to raise and dying of cancer.

Kelley did what any normal man would do in this situation, he called his
mother.  Kelley's mother was an unusual character.  You have to meet her to
fully appreciate her.  She raised three sons on a dirt poor Kansas farm, 80
acres, during the Depression.  Her husband had died of a heart attack.  She
got all three sons through college and graduate school.  Kelley talked to his
mother, told her that he was dying of cancer, his wife left him and he had 4
young children to raise and asked her what he should do.  His mother got very
angry with him and told him that he was just going to have to get over his
cancer.  He told her that was impossible, the finest doctors in Texas had
examined him and told him that there was no hope.  Mrs. Kelley said
"nonsense" and flew down to Texas to help him get better.  The first thing
she did was to walk into his kitchen and throw all his food away. Dr. Kelley
was the preeminent connoseuier of junk food.  He knew all the
contents of every chocolate bar in the U.S.  

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Things were going really well until about 12 months when Susie began to get
sick.  Kelley thought what he had initially thought when he got sick, that
she had the flu.  He told her to just stay on the program and she would get
over it.  She got progressively worse and what alarmed Dr. Kelley, and Susie
too, was that she again developed allergies after about a year free of
allergies.  She began to react to any food that she took in.  Even the raw
fruits and vegetables.  Kelley did a lot of manipulations, he increased the
fruits, increased the vegetables, all the things that had worked before.

Susie got progressively worse and was almost comatose.  Kelley was faced with
a problem.  If she got any worse he'd have to take her to the hospital and
the papers would have a field day.  Crazy, quack cancer doctor's wife ends up
in the hospital in a coma.  He thought about this a lot and he didn't want
that to happen.  He thought about all he had done and all he hadn't done and
the only thing he hadn't tried was raw meat.  He rejected the idea at first -
meat was toxic.  Two days later, he knew that his wife was dying.  He said
that since the only thing he hadn't given her was meat, he was going to try
meat.  He talked it over with her.  She was delirious but she did hear meat
and she said "NO, meat is not apart of the Kelley diet, you're trying to kill
me, Donald".  Kelley told her that she had to eat it whether she liked it or
not.  He went to the market and bought the biggest prime rib he could find,
ground it up and asked Susie to eat it raw.
If it was cooked it would destroy the enzymes and she needed the enzymes.

Within two hours, she was sitting up in bed, Kelley fed her raw meat for the
next 24 hours and she got stronger and stronger.  Within three days she was
complete well.  Today Susie Kelley looks 20 years younger than she is, still
eats raw red meat three times a day and is in perfect physical health. It was
exhilarating and humiliating for Kelley to realize that his own wife was a
meat eater because it went against everything that he believed in. Kelley
couldn't believe that he was the first person who found out that there was a
subcategory of human being that not only did well on meats but had to have it
or they would get sick.  Back at the library, Kelley read about the wonderful
work of Stefenson.

Stefenson was an American anthropologist who was trained at the Harvard.

He got bored hanging around Cambridge trying to figure out what to do with
his life, so he packed up and moved to one of the most remote regions of the
Arctic Circle to study Eskimos.  Up until that point, no white man had lived
with the Eskimos.  Stefenson not only lived among them but took an Eskimo
wife.  He studied their way of life, their hunting techniques and
particularly their diet.  The Eskimo diet stunned Stefenson.  It shouldn't
have when you think about the Eskimo way of life.  The Eskimo diet is nothing
but meat.  Up in the Arctic Circle there is not much of a summer, only two
months.  There's no fruits, no vegetables, there's no soil only tundra.  All
there is fatty red meat - seal, polar bear, whale, fish.

Stefenson thought about this and he knew enough about biology to know that
humans weren't suppose to be able to live on meat.  Even back then it was
thought that red meat was one of the great evils of man.  Stefenson looked at
this very carefully.  The Eskimos had no cancer, no diabetes, heart disease,
they didn't even have a word for depression because they didn't know what it
was.  They seemed to be very happy people, they lived a very rigorous climate
and they were very strong.  Stefenson discussed this diet with his biochemist
friend at Harvard and it was realized that their diet as 80% saturated fat.
There are executives at the American Heart Association that would drop dead
of a heart attack if you suggested a diet of 80% saturated fat.  The American
diet is about 40%, the AHA recommends about 20 to 30% and here is this
society of people thriving on 80% saturated fat.

Stefenson spent 10 years at the Arctic Circle and when he came back to the
U.S. he wrote a series of 10 books documenting his time with the Eskimos.
Several of those books dealt with the Eskimo diet.  When those books were
published a controversy erupted.  It was thought to be impossible for someone
to live on meat.  Meat was unhealthy and caused all kinds of toxic
conditions.  Stefenson was called a fraud.  Logically you have to think, what
would they live on, but people didn't realize the conditions of the Arctic.
This controversy raged for five years, there were articles on the front page
of the New York Times.  Stefenson was a romantic figure at that time. Here
was this man who disappeared for 10 years in the Arctic Circle and married an
Eskimo.

Finally, Stefenson dared the New York City Medical Society to lock him up in
a ward at Bellevue for a year and feed him nothing but red meat.  Professor
Tolstoy of Cornell 

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Today's Lesson from "Patriotism"


by Yukio Mishima



The honeymoon trip was dispensed with on the grounds that these were times of
national emergency. The two of them had spent the first night of their
marriage at this house. Before going to bed, Shinji, sitting erect on the
floor with his sword laid before him, had bestowed on his wife a soldierly
lecture. A woman who had become the wife of a soldier should know and
resolutely accept that her husband's death might come at any moment. It could
be tomorrow. It could be the day after. But, no matter when it came--he
asked--was she steadfast in her resolve to accept it? Reiko rose to her feet,
pulled open a drawer of the cabinet, and took out what was the most prized of
her new possessions, the dagger her mother had given her. Returning to her
place, she laid the dagger without a word on the mat before her, just as her
husband had laid his sword. A silent understanding was achieved at once, and
the lieutenant never again sought to test his wife's resolve.

Voodoo Economics


Clinton Wants to Use Social Security Surplus to Reduce Debt


Next, he will use the budget "surplus" to end poverty.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Raising the stakes in the battle over the federal
budget, President Clinton said Saturday he will propose legislation to use
Social Security surpluses to pay down the national debt.
The idea, as described by Clinton in his weekly radio address, is to pay down
more than $3.1 trillion in public debt over the next 15 years as part of a
plan that would make the United States debt-free for the first time since
1835.
The billions saved in interest payments to service the debt would then be
diverted to the Social Security Trust Fund to ensure its solvency to 2050.
"This is the first big step toward truly saving Social Security," Clinton
said.
It is a proposal he floated earlier this year, but it has failed to find
support in the Republican-led Congress.
By sending the legislation to Capitol Hill on Monday, he is trying to revive
the proposal in the context of budget negotiations with Republicans.
The two sides are accusing each other of making budget proposals that would
tap into Social Security surpluses, a practice that has been done for years
but which is unpopular now during a time of budget surpluses.
Republicans have proposed Social Security "lockboxes" of their own to protect
the entitlement program from being raided to pay for current programs.
"We believe the government should 'stay the course' and live within its
means," said Sen. Pete Domenici of New Mexico in the Republican radio
address.
"By doing so, we can preserve the Social Security surplus, pay down our
national debt, (and) keep the budget balanced, while investing in priorities
such as education and health care," he said.
Domenici, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, argued that the existence
of a relatively small budget surplus "doesn't mean we should go on a spending
spree."
He said Clinton has proposed new spending in a wide variety of areas but that
"not everything can grow."
"Over the next few days the president will have to choose between cooperation
or confrontation," he said. "We have pledged to cooperate."
On Social Security, Democrats insist Republican plans do not extend the
solvency of Social Security by a single day. At this point Social Security is
projected to go bankrupt in 2034, unless reforms are made, because of the
costs of benefits for baby boomers when they retire.
White House economic advisor Gene Sperling said if the Social Security
surpluses were entirely spent, interest payments on debt held by the public
would be $163 billion in 2011.
But devoting a decade of Social Security surpluses to debt reduction would
slash the debt by $2.1 trillion, cutting interest payments to $56 billion.
That would save $107 billion that would be transferred into the Social
Security Trust Fund in 2011, and growing amounts through 2016. Transfers
would stay at the 2016 level through 2044.
"What it is, it is generating more revenues for the future by saving now,
having lower interest rates, high savings," Sperling said.
Clinton, with little more than a year left in his presidency, said his plan
represents a historic opportunity to protect Social Security for future
generations.
"It will take the trust fund out beyond the life span of the baby boom
generation -- no gimmicks, no budgetary sleight of hand, just the right
choices that really add up to protecting the Social Security surplus," he
said.
Reuters, October 23, 1999


Russian Follies


Russia Attacks Grozny Fruits and Vegetables


The stupid Chechens should have stayed out of the war zone.

RUSSIA'S efforts to drum up world support for its war in Chechnya were in
ruins last night as its prime minister was forced to explain to European
Union leaders how dozens of civilians had 

[CTRL] Can secure e-mail help sidestep suits?

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ZDNet  Tech News  Law  Politics  Can secure e-mail help sidestep
suits?



Can secure e-mail help sidestep suits?
A crop of start-ups are selling companies on the benefits of secure e-mail.
Snake oil or suit insurance?


By Robert Lemos, ZDNet News
October 8, 1999 5:33 PM PT

Whether they walked, ran or were dragged, companies that have joined the
Internet Age are convinced of the benefits of e-mail. Now, the same companies
have to deal with a nightmare: Subpoena-empowered lawyers trolling their
network for e-mail conversations that stick around.



Add your comments to the bottom of this page.

The problem comes when lawyers issue subpoenas for company e-mail. Just ask
American Home Products Corp., the maker of once-popular diet pills Redux and
Pondimin. The company agreed to pay $3.75 billion on Thursday in damages
after a team of cyber-savvy lawyers dredged up more than 33 million e-mails
and documents from the company's servers.
"It has become the most requested form of evidence during discovery," said
Kerry Stackpole, president and CEO of the 16-year-old Electronic Messaging
Association. "Rarely does (e-mail) really go away, and it's almost always
captured somewhere else, even if you think it is off your desktop."
Flip side
One company's fear is another's opportunity, however. Corporate concerns have
spawned a nascent industry of start-up companies hawking secure e-mail
products as a cure for the common lawsuit.
MORE FROM ZDNET:



Downloads: Legal aids




Topics: Law suits




Credit card companies ban lawsuits




Judge nixes CSC, CA suits




Shareholder suits handcuffed by court




Informix to settle shareholder suits for $142M

This week, San Francisco-based Disappearing Inc. got a lot of ink for its new
technology, which promises to "encrypt, authenticate, track and delete
messages, including those stored on back-up tapes or forwarded to third
parties." The 11-month-old company also firmly aimed the product at large
corporations looking to reduce possible legal dangers by deleting e-mail.
"We are all about giving companies the ability to set policies about what
happens to e-mail over time," said Rod Lehman, vice president of marketing
for Disappearing. "We are essentially letting people shred e-mail in the same
way that they have been able to shred real-world documents."
In reality, Disappearing's software, which can be managed by company or by
its customer, encrypts messages and then manages the keys -- throwing them
away after a certain amount of time. Without the keys, investigators would
have to decrypt each message singly at a cost of "about half a billion
dollars," said Lehman.
Plenty of rivals
But it isn't the only player in the market, or even the first. A number of
companies are rushing to market with secure e-mail products. Last month, as
first reported on ZDNN, start-up QVTech Inc. aimed at a similar market with
its own InteRosa product. Encrypted e-mail targeting the privacy-conscious
consumer has also proliferated on the Web with such services as Hushmail.com,
1on1mail.com, and ZipLip.com, to name a few.
It's not surprising that smoking e-mail has corporate execs shuddering. In
the American Home Products case, one e-mail included an administrator's
complaints about spending the rest of her career paying off "fat people who
are a little afraid of some silly lung problem," according to a report in the
Wall Street Journal.
In the investigation of the Iran-Contra scandal, e-mail accounted for almost
85 percent of the legal evidence, said the EMA's Stackpole. And Microsoft
defense against the Department of Justice has been repeated blunted by e-mail
tracked down from Microsoft's servers. Microsoft declined to comment on the
use of e-mail in the case.
Security a tough task
Yet, cryptographer and security specialist Bruce Schneier warns that some
companies are overselling the abilities of their products.
"The (secure e-mail) system works as long the employee cooperates," he said,
adding that today's "secure" e-mail systems are not really secure. "It's not
a security thing; it's about policy compliance. Employees who want to can
certainly bypass the policy."
Hush Communications Inc. -- a well-known provider of such encrypted e-mail
services -- can certainly attest to difficulty of securing the service. The
Anguilla, West Indies-based company published the complete source code of its
service to let specialists try and poke holes in the security. At least one
cryptographer did, admitted vice president and co-founder Jon Gilliam.
"He pointed out a few problems with our system," said Gilliam. "We have since
fixed them." Other secure e-mail companies have not taken the open-source
approach, however, leaving their actual implementation a big question 

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Spying test for regulators
By GLENN MULCASTER
Monday 18 October 1999
A PROPOSAL to make it simple for governments to spy on their citizens could
provide the first real test of a trend towards cooperative groups defining
international telecommunications standards for the Internet.
Speakers at the the world's biggest telecommunications fair, the
International Telecommunications Union's (ITU) Telecom 99 and Interactive 99,
in Geneva, Switzerland, last week, hailed the rise of groups such as the
World Trade Organisation (WTO), International Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN), World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), and Internet
Engineering Task Force (IETF) as models for collaborative regulatory approval
in the next century. This is due to their ability to achieve consensus in a
timely way.
But, before that can happen, the thorny triumvirate of encryption, digital
wiretaps and privacy have to be settled.
The Alcatel chairman, Serge Tchuruk, said one of the biggest tasks was the
future of encryption standards for e-commerce because many governments were
reluctant to relinquish the desire to eavesdrop on the communications of
citizens.
``The introduction of digital mobile networks has been an interesting test of
this attitude,'' Tchuruk said. ``In recent months, a number of governments
have started announcing measures in order to make sure that electronic
commerce is not blocked by a lack of encryption. Nevertheless, encryption
will remain one of the regulation subjects needing worldwide coordination for
some time.''
He suggested co-operative standards bodies were suitable for developing the
technical framework for encryption. The IETF has working groups on 15 topics
related to security, including one-time password authentication, simple
public key infrastructure, eXtensible Markup Language (XML) digital
signatures and Web transaction security.
Its ``digital wiretaps'' recommendations are to be handled under the codename
``Raven''. The task force is assessing encryption and back-door eavesdropping
capabilities to be included in the next version of the Net's lingua franca --
Internet Protocol v6 (IPv6).
The IETF position paper on ``technology to support legal intercept'' is under
discussion via a new mailing list. But there is concern that building in the
ability to snoop on citizens is ``by definition adding a security hole'' that
could be exploited by crackers or abused by government, the IETF states.
There is deep concern that as telcos move their networks from old fashioned
circuit-switches to Internet Protocol, every phone conversation, e-mail, fax,
and e-commerce transaction could be spied upon. In Australia, Telstra is
undergoing its Data Mode of Operation (DMO), to upgrade its network to
Internet Protocol.
But the decision to consider building in systems to make it a doddle for
governments around the world to spy on their citizens has drawn outrage from
Internet and civil liberties groups. It could also stall the deployment of
next generation e-commerce systems as producers fear a consumer backlash and
refuse to support the standard.
It is understood there are serious misgivings even within the IETF over the
proposals, with insiders saying it is likely to be thrown out when the
working group meets next month.
Ringing a bell
The US carrier ATT's position was summarised by its CEO, Michael Armstrong,
as: ``keep markets open, leave the Internet the hell alone and speed up the
standards". In his speech, he delivered a recipe to lift penetration of
telecom and Internet services. The 30-year IBMer who also worked with Hughes
in the satellite business before moving to the top job at ATT, gave a fairly
predictable wish list from the point of view of a heavyweight telephone
company in the biggest telephone market.
However, his views on standards and the need for a more uniform approach to
regulation across borders were supported by fellow panelists from different
sectors of the industry - Alcatel's Tchuruk and Dutch telecom regulator Jens
Arnbak.
The mostly unregulated Internet has evolved rapidly since the emergence of
the Web browser as a favored communications interface five years ago. In turn
the Web has fuelled massive demand for broadband communications and pressured
telecom carriers and government telecom regulators around the world to open
access to the communications networks controlled previously by monopolies.
This has renewed a focus on the role of independent regulators and the
conventional telecom standards development process, which is deemed too slow
and clumsy to cope with future technical advances.
Armstrong acknowledged the work performed by groups such as the International
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), which could offer a good
template 

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:21:03 +
From: "R J Bignell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GSM security questions
I have been asked by a client to comment on the "security" of GSM
communications used on the major UK networks (Vodafone, Orange, Cellnet), in
particular on the ability for data to be eavesdropped or phones to be cloned
without the true owner's knowledge.
I know that GSM has been designed to prevent these sorts of attacks, but I
also did a quick web search and found various items of test kit and tools to
copy SIM cards. There are three "flavours" of GSM encryption in the standard
(none, A5/1 and A5/2) - which networks implement which algorithms ? Is the
choice or use of algorithm different on different manufacturers phones ?
My client's focus is particularly on data since they are looking at a new
application where data normally held within the corporate network's boundaries
 will be accessible from executives' mobiles.
Does anyone on the list have any information or URLs they could point me to
for background information, does anyone have any examples of successful (or
unsuccessful) attacks ?
Thanks in advance,
--
R J Bignell
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:04:02 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Ralf-Philipp Weinmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GSM security questions
Have a look at http://www.scard.org for A5/1 example code and information on
COMP128 (comp128 is the ref implementation for A3/A8 supplied by the ETSI GSM
MoU and has been broken)
-rpw


Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:14:01 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Briceno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: GSM security questions
R J Bignell wrote:
 I have been asked by a client to comment on the "security" of GSM
 communications used on the major UK networks (Vodafone, Orange,
 Cellnet), in particular on the ability for data to be eavesdropped or
 phones to be cloned without the true owner's knowledge.
GSM security, to sum it up, is a joke. I know, because I am the person that
reverse engineered the GSM algorithms. This includes COMP128, the
authentication algorithm used by the overwhelming majority of GSM providers
(not Vodaphone, btw, though that fact should not be taken as an indication
that the authentication Vodaphone is using, but refuses to disclose, is any
more secure than COMP128). GSM phones are subject to cloning. This includes
cloning over the air.
 I know that GSM has been designed to prevent these sorts of attacks,
That statement is incorrect. GSM was specifially and provably designed with
multiple deliberate security compromises built-in, but the plan was to allow
for cloning/eavesdropping attacks to only be performed by governmnt agencies
and their friends. But of course a backdoor that is good for the GCHQ and the
NSA tends to be a backdoor that's just as good for your client's competition
or 16 year old Joe Hacker. Even assuming for a moment the set of your
client's competition is disjoint from the set of law-enforcement agencies,
intelligence agencies, and their friends and business partners worldwide.
 but I also did a quick web search and found various items of test kit
 and tools to copy SIM cards. There are three "flavours" of GSM
 encryption in the standard (none, A5/1 and A5/2) - which networks
 implement which algorithms ? Is the choice or use of algorithm
 different on different manufacturers phones ?
The choice of over-the-air voice privacy algorithms does not depend on the
manufacturer of the phone, but on the provider that operates the base station
into which your mobile equipment is logged in. Or, alternatively, any
interested party playing man-in-the-middle and their choice of encryption
algorithm. As a rule of thumb, ETSI memembers use A5/1, Australia, a few
European countries not members of the EU at the time GSM was first fielded
use A5/2, and countries considered to disreputable to receive base stations
capable of crypto use no crypto at all.
Whichever algorithm is used makes little difference from the viewpoint of an
attacker. The best currently known attack against A5/1 is just a tad below
2^40th. I suspect even better attacks exist, but once an attack against a
cipher goes below 40 bits, the cipher is generally considered broken, period,
so few crypto experts will continue looking for better attacks.
A5/5 provides even less security. Our current attack against A5/2 takes 15
miliseconds (measured) on a standard Pentium II class machine. This could be
sped up with a bit of work, but why bother? In the context of a phone call,
15 milisecond breaks are realtime.
How hard is it to perfom 

Re: [CTRL] THE ABORIGINAL UNIVERSE

[Nurev Ind Research]

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Das GOAT wrote:

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  The aborigines of Australia represent a 40,000 year old culture which,
 in its isolation, survived relatively INTACT since the Paleolithic Age, an
 age when remarkably "modern" cave-paintings (using "perspective,"
 rediscovered only in the Renaissance!) and quite realistic sculptures were
 crafted by a "Cro-Magnon" population in southern Europe
 which was so adept at primitive technology that it wore sewn clothing and
 sandals
 and most likely lived NOT in caves (used as sacred shrines) but in huts above
 ground.
  Existing outside the "mainstream" of "Civilization" which originated in
 the Fertile Crescent and the alluvial plains of Egypt and the Indus, the
 Australian Aborigines knew of no visitations by Sitchin-style "gods," no
 "wars in heaven," and may not even share an equivalent of our "universal"
 Flood myth -- so they may be the best possible example of what human COMMUNAL
 life was, throughout the world, and for tens of thousands of years -- prior
 to our modern notion of "Civilization" being IMPOSED on it by anomalous
 warrior-elites originating in the discrete areas noted above, going forth to
 CONQUER.

I would add to Goat's observations that " civilization " and all its
subsequent charms like elitism ( Kings and Aristocracies ) and their
systems for theft, originated with agriculture which produced enough food
to release non food producers ( farmers ) to become craftspeople, artists,
and the usual array of parasites:

Royalty
Aristocrats
Clergy
Lawyers
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[CTRL] Magnetic/Oxygen Cancer Alt's Info

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In this booklet on prevention of illnesses only the negative magnetic field
has been recommended.  The magnets are flat surfaced static field permanent
magnets with poses on opposite sides of the flat surfaces.  The negative pole
side of the magnet is identified as "negative pole" printed on a green label
sticker.

I do not claim a cure for a degenerative disease or even guarantee relief of
pain or insomnia by means of magnetics.  My only claim is that there is
evidence justifying a definitive controlled research project following
Federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines to determine the value
and limitations of MAGNETIC RESONANCE BIO-OXIDATIVE THERAPY.  These
guidelines require a physician diagnosis and physician monitoring under the
supervision of a Scientific Institutional Review Board.  The application of
magnetic fields to humans has been approved by the FDA which, based on
toxicity studies has been classified as "not essentially harmful."
William H. Philpott, M.D.

ORIENTATION:
Otto Warburg (1) was given a Nobel Prize for demonstrating that acid-hypoxia
is the condition necessary for cancer to develop and grow.  Others agree
(2,3).  Strangely, this fact has not been a part of traditional cancer
research.  A negative magnetic field producing an alkaline-hyperoxia is
central to magnetic resonance bio-oxidation therapy.

M. Rose (4) observed that the energy concentrated by the body to heal or
regenerate a limb in a small animal is the energy that heals cancer.  This
was discovered by implanting cancer at the joint of the limb of a small
animal and cutting this area.  When the regeneration of that area occurred,
the cancer died.

Arthur Trappier et al (5) demonstrated that cancer cells exposed to a
negative magnetic field discourages the growth of cancer and cancer cells
exposed to a positive magnet field encourages the growth of cancer.

Robert Becker (6) demonstrated that it is a negative electromagnetic field
(negative magnetic field) that is necessary for healing to occur.  The body
concentrates a negative field at the site for healing.  An external field of
this same negative magnetic field will produce the same results as the body
concentrating the negative magnetic field at the site for healing.  A
negative magnetic field acts directly on the bicarbonate buffer system by
which a normal alkaline state can be maintained.  A negative magnetic field
serves as an energy activator for the oxidoreductase enzyme system which
processes free radicals, peroxides, acids and aldehydes.  A negative magnetic
field provides the necessary alkaline-hyperoxia that is required to reverse
cancer.

Human biological life energy is produced by the oxidoreductase enzyme
catalysis oxidation phosphorylation producing adenosine triphosphate (ATP)
and oxidative remnant magnetism (a negative magnetic field).  The process
requires molecular oxygen in an alkaline medium. (alkaline hyperoxia).  These
two energies govern normal human metabolism.

The adenosine triphosphate (ATP) energy bond necessary for cancer to grow is
produced by fermentation.  Fermentation requires acid hypoxia and cannot even
function in the presence of alkaline- hyperoxia.  The secret of treating
cancer is to maintain continuously, an alkaline-hyperoxia state where the
cancer is growing so that the cancer cannot make its ATP and therefore dies.

It is very effective and fairly simple to treat a single cancerous lesion
that is not interfering with basic functions such as, not blocking the
gastrointestinal tract, or the bronchi, or not large enough to overwhelm the
liver function.  When there are metastatic lesions, it is more complicated
because each lesion must be separately treated and it is necessary to be sure
that all lesions are being treated.  Also, metastatic lesions more often
interfere with vital functions such as a massive infiltration of the lungs or
the liver, or blockage of the gastrointestinal tract. Magnetic treatment
cannot always win, because it cannot always override some of these factors.
However, there is no question but that a negative magnetic field, if properly
placed, can kill cancer.  For this reason, it pays to try even in the face of
metastatic lesions.  All we can say at this point is that the evidences are
such that definitive studies deserve to be made and only after this has
occurred an!
d been duly published in peer reviewed literature can a claim be made that a
negative magnetic field is the cure for cancer.  It will take some time
before adequate research has firmly established the treatment of 

Re: [CTRL] People Who Have Died After Being on the Art Bell Show

[Kathy Strucke]

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In a message dated 10/24/1999 11:46:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Malachi Martin died after being on Bell's show?  How very sad.  Do you
think
 any of this implicates Bell?  I've never listened to him and don't know if
 he's considered reliable and safe or not.

 Samm 
Dear Samm,
Father Martin had been a guest on the Art Bell Coast to Coast show previously
so I don't believe it had anything to do with his appearance on there again.
His death occurred when he fell in the shower and hit his headhe had been
taking medicine which was a blood thinner (he was quite old) and because of
the medicine the bump was enough to kill him.  Very sad indeed, as I found
him to be an incredibly interesting and literate guy.  I had always looked
forward to hearing him and I have replayed the few shows he did as a guest of
Arts's...always intruiging. Available from the archives of Art's website.
As far as Art Bell being reliable and safe, that is a too general a
question...and the answer, I'm sure, would depend on the situation.  I like
his voice and love his sense of humor but I also understand that he is an
entertainer, and quite good at that...the voracity of each guest should be
judged by the listener, as always keeping an open mind.
Love, Kathy

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Re: [CTRL] People Who Have Died After Being on the Art Bell Show

[Kathy Strucke]

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In a message dated 10/24/1999 12:12:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 the voracity of each guest 
OOPS, veracity.LOL

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[CTRL] Clinton, FEMA, and Y2K (fwd)

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http://www.y2kcoming.com/Docs/fema/10_7fema.htm


EXERPT

Should it become necessary, a Presidential "emergency" rather than a "major
disaster" will be declared, and assistance will be focused on addressing
threats to life, health, safety, and property.


The emergency management community may be facing a potential disruption
scenario that it has not dealt with before: simultaneous disruptions in all
50 States and 6 Territories that may require Federal emergency declarations.
In addition, we may have numerous weather-related major disaster
declarations to address during this time frame.


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[CTRL] Its Official: Pat Buchanan Leaves GOP

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

Dear Friends:
Here is a excerpt of a letter I received from Pat Buchanan yesterday:


Dear Mr Richer:

I have never thought and prayed harder over any decision in my life
than the one I am about to share with you, in advance of my public
announcement.  I deeply hope that you, as my friend and partner in our
campaign to reclaim America for its noblest traditions, will support me on
the road I am taking.

On Monday, October 25, I will officially leave the Republican
presidential campaign, and announce that I am a candidate for the 2000
presidential nomination of the Reform Party.

 And then, if you will stand with me, I believe the most exciting and
dramatic presidential campaign of out lifetime will begin!  It will be an
historic, even revolutionary, adventure...and it is one Shelley and I cannot
imagine undertaking without you, and your continued help and support.

 Over the past weeks, many friends, many people of good will, have
urged me to stay in the GOP.  Yet I must leave the party that has long been
my home - with regret but no rancor -- because the Washington elite of the
GOP has left me and the principles for which I have toiled and fought for
forty years, eight of them at the side of three Republican Presidents.

  Issues which I believe are of profound importance to our nation's
future -- among them trade, immigration, right to life, our national
soveereignty and future interventionism -- will not be seriously debated in
2000 between the probable establishment nominees.  Why?  On none of these
issues, not one, is there any real disagreement between leading Democratic
and GOP candidates.

  For the sake of this nation, and future generations of Americans,
these issues must be debated in 2000.  I'm running to guarantee that they are.

  Seeking and winning the Reform Party nimination, and then
contesting the Democratic and Republican nominees in the general election
campaign next year, are Herculean challenges.  But Shelley and I are eager to
tackle them, with no backward glances.  And, rest assured, we are in the race
to win!

  And I am praying that you, will decide to take a new road with us,
so that we can advance the ideas, values and beliefs which have for so long
bound us -- you and me -- together.

  With your support, free from constraints of working within one of
the estableshment parties, I plan in the weeks ahead to actively recruit
Democrats, Republicans, Reformers and Independents in our movement.

  I intend to build a mighty, unprecedented coalition of Americans
across all party lines who want:

**to see U.S. trade policy reformed so that American jobs are
protected and America's vital manufacturing base rebuilt;

**to see the laws against illegal immigration enforced, and legal
immigration temporarily slowed so that recent arrivals can be assimilated
into America's language and culture, and the melting pot can work its magic
again;

**to rebuild America's weakened defenses, the same defenses Ronald
Reagan courageously rebuilt but which both establishment parties, Democrat
and Republican, have allowed to atrophy and decline.

**to reassert as the keystone of our foreign policy a hallowed
principle, going back to George Washington, that America should avoid foreign
entanglements and wars in which our own vital national interests are not at
stake;

**to have a President who will use the "bully pulpit," without
compromise, to fight for the right to life of the unborn, the elderly, the
handicapped, and the terminally ill;

 **to protect the sacred right of all Americans to participate in
politics, and to cleanse our system of the corporate "soft money" narcotic,
which has debased American elections and corrupted our ruling parties, and;

 **to get the Social Security and Medicare reformed and protected,
the national dept extinguished, and the curtain brought down on the annual
ritual of exceeding government spending caps, a cynical bipartisan game which
now threatens the budget surplus it took us so long to achieve.

 My friend, we are at a unprecedented, exciting moment in American
history.

 Next autumn, my friend, I believe the power of our ideas can
overcome the estsblishment, and we can win the Presidency!

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[CTRL] Reviving the Declaration Of Independence (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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The Claremont Institute--PRECEPTS
October 22, 1999
http://www.claremont.org
No. 199

In December of 1776, General George Washington and the
Continental Army crossed the icy Delaware River to Trenton, New
Jersey. There, the Americans won their first major victory in the
war of independence against the British. On November 8, 1999, the
Claremont Institute will cross the Delaware and fight another
battle in Trenton, for the same principles as those for which
Washington and his men fought 223 years ago.

An issue has arisen in New Jersey that reaches to the heart of
the principles of Washington.  It is raised by the Declaration of
Independence Bill, which has been stopped, dead in its tracks, in
the New Jersey State Senate. The bill, fiercely opposed by a
contingent of liberal lawmakers, was passed by the lower house.
The bill would require students in the state's public schools to
recite two sentences from the Declaration of Independence daily,
along with the Pledge of Allegiance. They are:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers
from the consent of the governed."

Those two sentences describe both in time and in principle the
foundation of our country. And today, they are controversial.

As we have reported before, a few powerful citizens of New Jersey
claim that it would be wrong for children to recite those words,
on the grounds that they applied only to wealthy white men at the
expense of women and minorities.

We are going to New Jersey on November 8 to prove three things.
First, that the opponents of the Declaration of Independence are
wrong when they say that the Declaration excluded women and
blacks. Second, that they are also wrong to call America's
Founders hypocrites, and that rejection of the bill on this
ground is illogical. Third, that behind these opponents'
arguments is an antipathy to the principles of the Declaration of
Independence, the principles of natural rights and limited
government, and that rejecting their arguments is essential to
preserving American democracy.

Joining us at the Trenton War Memorial will be Steve Forbes,
Jersey City Mayor Bret Schundler, and one of the bill's sponsors,
State Assemblyman Michael Patrick Carroll. We hope the bill's
opponents join us there, too, so they might be set right.

For more information about the Claremont Institute's "Revive the
Battle at Trenton" rally and luncheon, I invite you to visit our
website at www.claremont.org/Events/trenton990909.cfm, or go to
our home page at www.claremont.org.

Sincerely,
Larry P. Arnn
President, The Claremont Institute


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[CTRL] Conspiracy Theory and Libertarianism

[lloyd]

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Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Book Search Co-ordinator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Conspiracy Theory and Libertarianism
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 11:05 AM

My my, James, what a change. You've moved from your usual name calling and
abuse to something with some substance. [Not very much substance, as we
shall see below, but any improvement is welcome.]


Oh come off it, James. You know very well, if you are half as educated as
you claim to be, that the modern tradition of liberty originated as an
ENGLISH reaction to the failed ENGLISH Revolution of the 17th Century, and
that the American Revolution of a hundred years later was simply a
continuance of that dissident tradition.

James Responds:  Your ethocentrism is a bit telling Craig.   Liberty, I am
sure, has a wider pedigree than you imply.  Further, the modern tradition of
liberty is just about extinguished, esp. in Britain...perhaps because it was
always more fraud than reality.

The 17th Century English revolution was a Religious revolution.  Basically,
the Puritans wanted control of the State to impose their own tyranny as
opposed to the tyranny of a Catholic or Church of England power structure!
Liberty had little or nothing to do with it.  Surely, Britain did evolve
fairly decent traditions of tolerance, liberty and law prior to Continental
Religious tyrannies like France, Russia, etc  Learning from the exhaustion
of the religious wars and an infusion of the French Enlightenment of
Voltaire, the Illuminati, etc. America was Established with a better
tradition of Liberty, but mostly, as Spooner and others have shown, liberty
was often just a rationalization for a new Oligarchy and more subtle
tyranny.  Too bad the Federalists beat the anti-Federalists.

You just simply don't seem to be able to read, James. If you will look at
what I said, it was not that the dominate institutions in either Britain or
the U.S. were libertarian but that the modern tradition of liberty [i.e.,
LIBERTARIANISM] that arose as a REACTION to the FAILED English Revolution.

I don't think that this is a bit ethnocentric, since if you bother to look
at the French and Russian traditions of liberty you will find that (1) they
were largely inspired by the very roots I point to, rather than having a
domestic origin and (2) they were highly flawed from the outset [see
Hayek's essays on "Liberty: True and False" etc.]  The Italian liberty
movement is something else entirely, but no one in the U.S. seems very
familiar with that tradition in any case, and since I live in the U.S. my
silly ethnocentrism [to say nothing of pragmatism] tends to focus on what
matters here rather than in the remnants of East Prussia.





or, to put it more bluntly, that
I'm working from reality and you're working from fantasy. I make a whole
series of substantive criticisms of the way that you go about your analysis
of the world, and, instead of focusing on any of those points or responding
to any of those points, you say I'm "lying about you" because you really
didn't mean that it was a bad thing that Reagan and the Pope "conspired" to
liberate Poland. [Then why did you bring it up as a "conspiracy" James?
Isn't a "conspiracy" a bad thing in your world?]

James Responds:  You will never catch me saying conspiracy is necessarily a
"bad" thing...it is constant and everywhere and relative.  The Pope and
Reagan's plan was good for US Imperialism, bad for Soviet Imperialism,
problematical for British Imperialism, good for the Germans etc.

Well then, James, why is conspiracy so central to your analysis of how the
world works, one might say the only element of your analysis? If conspiracy
per se is a neutral thing, and merely a natural tendency of individuals
seeking the aid and assistance of their fellows, why are you so obsessed
with conspiracies? The primary persons that historically have been
similarly so obsessed have been royalists or other supporters of some
established order of things that see a "conspiracy" [usually inspired by
Satan or mad anarchists] to disrupt their holy institutions.

James Responds:  I can't help it that so many libertarians are rock headed
about conspiratorial ruling class theory.  The government is obviously a
conspiracy against libertyAm I obsessed with conspiracy or are "normal
people" just blind as bats?

Let's assume for the moment that there is such a thing as "the government"
[which there isn't], then the result of your observation that it is engaged
in a "conspiracy against liberty" is, what exactly, James? Is the result
that we should swallow just any urban legend that someone comes up with
about what "the government' is up to now? Is the implication that since
"the government" is engaged in a "conspiracy against liberty" that we
should be worried about the Pope or the Royal Family taking over and
striping us of whatever liberty we have 

Re: [CTRL] Laugh till you cry.

[Terry Cox]

What is the name of the case, couldn't 
find it at the onion. 

Thanks.



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  Subject: [CTRL] Laugh till you cry.
  -Caveat 
  Lector- The Onionhttp://www.theonion.com 
  WASHINGTON, DC--In a historic decision with majorimplications for the 
  future of U.S. participatory democracy, the SupremeCourt ruled 8-1 Monday 
  that the American people are unfit to 
  govern. The controversial 
  decision, the first of its kind inthe 210-year history of U.S. 
  representative government, was, accordingto Justice David Souter, "a 
  response to the clear, demonstrableincompetence and indifference of the 
  current U.S. citizenry in mattersconcerning the operation of this nation's 
  government." As a result of the ruling, the 
  American people will nolonger retain the power to choose their own 
  federal, state and localofficials or vote on matters of concern to the 
  public. "This decision was by no means easy, 
  but it unfortunatelyhad to be done," said Justice Antonin Scalia, who 
  penned the majoritydecision in the case. "The U.S. Constitution is very 
  clear: In the eventthat the voting public becomes incapacitated or 
  otherwise unfit to carryout its duties of self-governance, there is a 
  danger posed to therepublic, and the judicial branch is empowered to 
  remove said public andreplace it with a populace more qualified to 
  lead." "In light of their unmitigated apathy 
  toward issues ofimport to the nation's welfare and their inability to 
  grasp even themost basic principles upon which participatory democracy is 
  built, wefound no choice but to rule the American people unfit to govern 
  at thistime," Scalia concluded. The 
  controversial ruling, court members stressed, is notintended as a slight 
  against the character of the American people, butmerely a necessary 
  measure for the public good. "The public's 
  right to the best possible representation is afounding principle of our 
  nation," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor toldreporters. "If you were on a jet 
  airliner, you wouldn't want anuntrained, incompetent pilot at the 
  controls, and this is the samething. As federal justices, we have taken a 
  solemn oath to uphold everycitizen's constitutional rights, and if we were 
  to permit anirresponsible, disinterested public to continue to helm the 
  ship ofstate, we would be remiss in our duties and putting the entire 
  nation atrisk." The ruling brings to an 
  end a grueling 10-month process,during which more than 100 Supreme Court 
  hearings were held to determinethe public's capacity for self-governance. 
  Despite the fact that thesehearings were aired on C-SPAN, a majority of 
  U.S. citizens were unawareof them because coverage was largely eclipsed by 
  the Clinton-Lewinskyscandal, the retirement of NBA legend Michael Jordan, 
  and the release ofTitanic on home video. 
  The Supreme Court found that, though 78 percent of U.S.citizens have seen 
  the much-anticipated Star Wars prequel trailer, onlyone in 200,000 were 
  aware that the multibillion-dollar "Star Wars"missile-defense system had 
  been approved by Congress. Additionally,while 62 percent of citizens 
  correctly identified the cast of SuddenlySusan, only .01 percent were able 
  to identify Attorney General JanetReno beyond "some woman Jay Leno always 
  says looks like a man." Further,only .0003 percent could correctly 
  identify the ancient Greek city-stateof Athens as the birthplace of the 
  concept of an educated citizenryparticipating in democratic 
  self-rule. Above: Just some of the millions of empty voting booths 
  that can beseen across America each 
  November. But the final 
  straw,Supreme Court justices said, came last week when none of the 
  500,000random citizens polled were aware that Russian President Boris 
  Yeltsinhad threatened global thermonuclear war in response to NATO air 
  attacksin Yugoslavia. "I mean, come on," 
  Justice William Rehnquist said. "Globalthermonuclear war? It's just 
  ridiculous. There was just no way we couldtrust such a populace to keep 
  running things after that." Populations 
  currently being considered to fill theleadership void until the American 
  people can be rehabilitated andreturned to self-governance include those 
  of Switzerland, Sweden andCanada. "I'm 
  willing to do what I can to help out in this time ofcrisis and make sure 
  that my vote counts," said Stockholm resident PerJohanssen. "I've been 
  reading up on America a bit, just to get a generalidea of what needs to be 
  done, and from what I can tell, they reallyneed some sort of broad-based 
  health-care reform over there right away." 
  In a provisional test of the new system, the Canadianprovince of 
  Saskatchewan will hold primaries next Tuesday to re-evaluatelast fall's 
  gubernatorial election in Minnesota. The 
  

Re: [CTRL] Exodus and DNA

[Nurev Ind Research]

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Hey earthman! What planet are you on???

Joshua2
===

earthman wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Ah hem..

 Peter

 From: www.hiddenmeanings.com

 ANNOUNCING A NEW WEB PAGE !

 If you will visit the hidden meanings web site I have
 given over a new page to a proposal that I will make to you.
 The Biblical Story of Exodus and Moses crossing the Red Sea
 is mythology, about opening the Genetic Strand and bringing
 us all to the promised land of healing, and renewed consciousness
 through a cosmic change of DNA.

 To give you an idea what you will find in addition to scientific
 documentation of this proposal, let me share with you a bit of
 Biblical information.

 It states in the scripture:

 Exodus3:1  Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law,the priest
 of
 Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of thedesert, and came to the
 mountain of God,even to Horeb.

 Notice the word backside. Moses came to the backside of the desert and came
 to the mountain of God.

 Now let me share with you a description of the Book of Life as written in
 the
 book of Revelation.

 Revelation5:1  And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on thethrone a
 book written within and on the backside, sealed with sevenseals.

 Notice again the word backside as well as the reference to the 7 seals.
 These
 are the 7 chakras which are positioned at the spine.

 The desert is the mind. The backside of the desert is the spine. We ascend
 the spine via meditation to the mountain of God.

 And when our meditation reaches the top what do we find. The same thing
 Moses
 found, the burning bush. The Pineal Gland of the brain from whence we
 receive
 cosmic instruction.

 You will also see how Protein Enzyme corrects mutant DNA. How in Exodus two
 prime conditions are the First Born and Leaven. Protein means First and
 Enzyme means leaven.

 Also amazingly this will be connected to Eta Carina, the magnificent star
 sending out laser beams into the cosmoc. The root of protein is prow which
 means Keel of a Ship, Carina means Keel of a Ship. The 7th chakra. Eta means
 7th.

 And how do I know that Eta Carina The Keel of the Ship, is giving
 instructions
 to the scientists of today in making daily DNA healing discoveries.?

 Carina , the keel of the ship was named after the Argo which was the ship
 sailed by Jason and the Argonauts. The keel of that ship was able to talk
 and
 in times of danger it would give instructions concerning what to do. The
 same
 beings who wrote this myth wrote the Bible and gave us the names of the
 stars.

 The Keel of The  Ship is again giving instructions in the time of danger and
 the bondage of disease and mutant consciousness is about to fall.

 But remember. When Jason turned his back on what he was supposed to do.
 The keel of the ship fell on him.

 Please when you have a chance take a look at the web site and at the home
 page scroll down till you see MORE DNA. Click there and it will take you to
 the new page. Remember is http://www.hiddenmeanings.com

 If indeed the new discoveries being made in DNA are fulfilling the Exodus
 then we are all about to cross over the Genetic Sea to the promised land of
 healing and new consciousness.

 This is the true gift of God that you always hoped would come. Far different
 then the destruction predicted by the religionists.

 Let me know what you think.

 Thank you for your friendship, Bill.

 We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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[CTRL] Babies killed as Russians shell Grozny hospital

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Babies killed as Russians shell Grozny hospital
By Marcus Warren in Mozdok


RUSSIAN forces closed in on the Chechen capital yesterday, pounding the
centre of Grozny with rockets and heavy artillery which killed at least 45
civilians, including women and babies in a maternity ward.
A correspondent for the French news agency AFP counted at least 27 bodies
after a rocket attack on the hospital, about 25 yards from the Chechen
presidential palace on Grozny's central Liberty Square. Five Russian rockets
crashed into the city centre at around 6.15pm, witnesses said. A further 17
people were killed when another rocket struck a nearby market. A bus driver
died when a further rocket hit an unoccupied building.

Earlier the Russians had claimed that 10 people had died when the
presidential palace was hit during a shelling attack. The Chechen President,
Aslan Maskhadov, was not in the palace at the time.

Senior Russian officials were at pains to deny that an all-out assault was
imminent, but Anatoly Kvashnin, the Russian chief of staff, admitted to the
private NTV television station that Russia had poured 90,000 troops into
Chechnya. This is three times the number of Russian soldiers deployed during
the previous war, in 1994-1996.

A correspondent for the Russian commercial television station, speaking from
a military base in the southern town of Mozdok, reported battles between
Russian and Chechen forces in the village of Tolstoy-Yurt, nine miles north
of Grozny. He quoted Viktor Kazanstev, the North Caucasus forces chief, as
saying that the ring around Grozny would be gradually tightened.

Meanwhile, Igor Sergeyev, the Defence Minister, asked journalists: "Why do
you keep bringing up Grozny? Who is going to storm it?" Grozny might be
attacked, but only if it helped to achieve the larger goal of eliminating
Chechen militants, he said.

With Russian soldiers expanding their "security zone" up to the city limits,
someone will have to decide whether to attempt to take it and risk a repeat
of the bloodbath that accompanied its 1994 storming or hold fire and lay
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[CTRL] FUTURE WAR

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BILL GERTZ
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
October 23

FUTURE WAR

The Pentagon's long-range thinker, Andrew Marshall, made a rare public
appearance Thursday to discuss the future of warfare. Mr. Marshall, director
of the nondescript but powerful Office of Net Assessment, said the nation's
ability to project power over long distances will remain "the fundamental
task." The drawback of America's long military reach is that it is driving
more nations to seek nuclear weapons and long-range missiles capable of
reaching U.S. soil. And Mr. Marshall believes they will succeed.

"The long-term trend is that nations are seeking new forms of strategic
attack," Mr. Marshall told a small group of defense experts at the Brookings
Institution. "More and more countries will have longer-range missiles that
they can use to attack a capital or a society. We are going to live in a
world where many more countries have the ability to attack from a distance."

Information warfare - the capability of attacking computer networks from afar
- will be part of it, he said. So will space warfare. Attacks against
communications satellites and other space assets are "inevitable," Mr.
Marshall said.

Mr. Marshall, an iconoclast with a reputation for challenging conventional
wisdom, said it has been very hard to get military and political leaders to
talk about the changing nature of warfare. Most seem willing to look at
future combat but are reluctant to talk about what future wars will be like,
he said.

One prediction: exotic biological weapons that will be used to change the
behavior of troops on the battlefield are "five years away, not 30," Mr.
Marshall said. Instead of secretly learning about the capabilities of arms
held by foreign troops, military intelligence will be after other data. "What
people will want to know is what kind of drugs they are on," Mr. Marshall
said.

Mr. Marshall also noted the work of Michael Pillsbury, a China military
specialist, in revealing the "three schools of thought" among Chinese
military thinkers. Some Chinese view the United States as "a major threat"
and are developing weapons to confront it. Others see the United States as a
declining power and look toward Japan as a future threat to China. Another
part of the Chinese officer corps believes the People's Liberation Army has
enough time to engage in high-technology weapons development over the long
term and is engaged extensively in the using advanced technology to radically
change future warfare.

WHAT SANCTIONS?

The Pentagon has given its blessing to a ballistics conference that will
feature as one of its international speakers a specialist from the Baltic
State Technical University - one of several Russian companies sanctioned last
year for selling missile technology to Iran. President Clinton imposed U.S.
economic sanctions on the university and several other Russian entities in
July. The university in St. Petersburg was penalized for helping Iranian
missile scientists learn rocket-motor technology and training.

Apparently, the mild sanctions prevent BSTU from buying or selling goods in
the United States but do not keep the State Department from issuing visas to
its officials. The university was once the Soviet Union's premier missile
development and training center.

The National Defense Industrial Association, a private group hosting the
conference next month, was surprised to learn from us yesterday that Baltic
State's V.F. Zakhrenkov will speak Nov. 16 as part of a presentation on
"interior ballistics."

The conference's agenda is full of missile-related topics. Among those to be
discussed among representatives of 27 nations are "warhead mechanics and
effects," "launch and propulsion" and "weapon systems." China also is sending
three speakers to talk to the conference on specialty steel - which U.S.
intelligence has determined have been transferred secretly to Iran.

The keynote speaker will be Hans Marks, the Pentagon's director of defense
research and engineering, and the NDIA brochure promoting the meeting states
that "the Department of Defense finds this event meets the minimum regulatory
standards for attendance by DOD employees."

Charles Wilkins, an NDIA spokesman, said his organization was not aware that
Baltic State Technical University is "under sanctions."

"Our organizational policy is to adhere to State Department sanctions," he
said. If the university is still under sanction, "we wouldn't have him
speak," Mr. Wilkins said of Mr. Zakhrenkov. The fact the Russian has not
submitted his paper for the conference is a sign he probably will not attend,
Mr. Wilkins said.

UNSPOKEN BUDGETS

In the Washington budget game, what the administration says in public is not
always want it wants.

Take the Veterans Affairs budget, for example. Veterans Secretary Togo D.
West Jr. vigorously defended President Clinton's budget. But in private, he
waged a 

[CTRL] Archer's IRS Investigation Going Nowhere, Critics Say

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Archer's IRS Investigation Going Nowhere, Critics Say

By Damon Chappie

When leading conservative nonprofit groups charged in 1997 that the Internal
Revenue Service was unfairly targeting them with audits, the leaders of the
Congressional tax-writing panels promised a thorough investigation to find
out if the IRS was being used to attack enemies of the Clinton administration.
For the first time since Watergate, the Joint Committee on Taxation was
directed to probe political abuses by the IRS and the decision was cheered by
conservative nonprofits and covered by newspapers across the country.

But more than two years after it was supposed to be completed, the
investigation remains unfinished and it may never be done, say people
familiar with the work.

And those same conservatives who cheered the beginning of the probe are
wondering why it is still lingering.

Joseph Farah, executive director of the Western Journalism Center -- the
group that financed newspaper investigations of White House counsel Vince
Foster's death -- blasted House Ways and Means Chairman Bill Archer (R-Texas)
and the JCT for failing to finish the investigation.

It was Farah's article on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal in
October 1996 that first alerted conservatives to the trend of IRS audits
against groups that opposed the Clinton administration.

"We've checked with Archer's office and basically we've gotten a lot of
double talk. ... There is no investigation, it's ongoing, you get every
answer you can imagine," said Farah. "The main point is that no report was
ever issued. From what I understand from other members of the House is that
Archer is just looking to get out" and he's going to "leave the job undone."

Farah said he was never asked to testify before the committee and he finally
got fed up and traveled to Washington at his own expense to find out what was
happening. "I was wholly unimpressed with the level of enthusiasm and
understanding of what is happening. ... It wasn't a real investigation.
That's the only explanation there could be for this."

Archer initiated the study after hearing reports from groups such as the
Heritage Foundation, the National Rifle Association, Americans for Tax
Reform, Citizens Against Government Waste and the Western Journalism Center
that the IRS was auditing their books to see whether rules prohibiting
political activity by tax-exempt groups had been broken. The IRS also began
auditing a number of nonprofit groups associated with then-House Speaker Newt
Gingrich (R-Ga.) in the wake of the 1996-97 ethics case against him.

IRS officials vehemently denied abusing the audit process for political
reasons and said they welcomed the JCT study because they believed it would
clear them.

Archer, who chaired the joint committee, released a letter in March 1997
co-signed by Senate Finance Chairman William Roth (R-Del.) and the panel's
top Democrats, Rep. Charlie Rangel (N.Y.) and Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
(N.Y.), authorizing the investigation. While saying they were troubled by the
charges of political abuse against tax-exempt groups, the signatories wrote
that the allegations "should be carefully reviewed as expeditiously as
possible."

"This is a full congressional investigation into all matters," Archer's
spokesman at the time told The Washington Times.

When a Sept. 15, 1997, deadline for releasing the report was missed, aides
said it would come out in the summer of 1998. The deadline was pushed back
again until December 1998, but that was missed, too. A key staff aide who was
given the task of conducting the investigation kept delaying her departure
date from the committee but finally left the staff in February of this year
with the report unfinished.

Trent Duffy, an Archer spokesman, acknowledged that "the report is late. The
last I heard they were still working on it."

He said he could not explain the delay.

Carolyn Ward, the JCT staff aide working on the issue, told a meeting of tax
lawyers last month that the investigation was going very slowly, according to
a participant at the meeting.

Ward told Roll Call this week that "I really haven't done anything on it."
She said that her predecessor, who left the staff earlier this year, had done
the bulk of the work.

Asked about the status of the report now, Ward said that "I'm actually not
permitted to answer questions on it as you might imagine." She referred calls
to JCT Staff Director Lindy Paull and Deputy Staff Director Mary Schmitt.
Phone messages left for both of them were not returned.

But even though the furor over the political activity of tax-exempt groups
has subsided since the 1996 elections, particularly since Gingrich left
office, the groups and the tax lawyers who advise them argued that the
investigation should be completed and released.

John VonKannon, vice president of the Heritage Foundation, said, "I don't

[CTRL] Defector: Iran recruited Soviet biological weapons scientists

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Defector: Iran recruited Soviet biological weapons scientists

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Friday, October 22, 1999
WASHINGTON -- Iran and other rogue states have targeted tens of thousands of
former Soviet biological weapons scientists and some of them are working in
Teheran's weapons of mass destruction program, a Soviet defector has told
Congress.

Ken Alibek, former deputy director of the Soviet civilian biological weapons
program, warned that many of 70,000 employees of biological weapons
laboratories are the target of recruitment by rogue states for their
expertise. He said he could not estimate how many of them are actually
working in the biological weapons programs of such states as Iran, Iraq and
Syria.

"Many of these scientists live in the United States and in Great Britain,"
Alibek told the House Armed Services Committee on Wednesday. "It's absolutely
clear some of them are working in Iran now."

A Pentagon official said more than 20 countries are suspected of achieving
biological weapons capability.

Alibek said the United States is 25 to 30 years behind in the development of
vaccines against biological weapons. He said Washington is also way behind
Moscow in the development of biological weapons.

"I didn't want to say this, but we have a problem developing protection
against biological weapons," Alibek said. "Now we have a very significant gap
between our defense and what can be [used offensively against us]. Russia has
at least two strains of plague which are resistant to vaccines."

In 1994, Russian President Boris Yeltsin announced the termination of his
country's biological weapons program. But Moscow has refused to allow the
United States access to its laboratories.

Regarded as a leading CIA source on Russian biological weapons program,
Alibek said the Soviet Union has developed at least 100 strains of killer
bacteria for use in weapons. In contrast, United States is still developing
antidotes for those strains manufactured in the 1970s.

Alibek, who defected in 1992, recommended research in strengthening the human
immune system to resist all viruses.

"It's quite a long shot, but in three, five, seven years, we may be able to
say biological weapons are not a threat anymore," he said. "If we continue
efforts to develop vaccines, we will always be developing new, and new, and
new [medicines]."

The Defense Department is trying to develop vaccines that can handle more
than one virus.





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[CTRL] A matter of freedom

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 A matter of freedom


  

© 1999 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

The Republican congressional majority is playing with fire in agreeing to
meet with President Clinton in budget negotiations. They would be better
advised to submit the remainder of their budget bills to him separately and
without compromise.
My feelings will not be hurt if my advice turns out to be wrong, but I have
ample history upon which to base it.

Clinton double-crossed Congress by reneging on budget deals negotiated in
closed-door meetings in 1995 and then successfully shifted the blame to the
Republicans for shutting down the government. As a political and governmental
force, they have been emasculated ever since.

They are just now beginning to recapture their collective manhood, so it is
no time to forfeit it again.

Compromise negotiations are dangerous for Republicans for political and
substantive reasons.

Politically, Clinton has much less to lose than Republicans either way: by
compromising or a government shutdown. Congressional Democrats have
demonstrated their willingness to march in lockstep with him, irrespective of
the issues and the shame they've brought upon themselves. His Democratic
voting constituencies are also impossible to alienate -- because they have
nowhere else to go.

The plight of the GOP is much more precarious. They have earned the distrust
of their voters by abandoning their principles in past dealings with Clinton.
The era of big-forgiveness is over.

Republicans, unlike Clinton, will be held accountable by their constituencies
for failure to adhere to spending caps. But they will not absolve themselves
merely by balancing the budget, if in doing so they capitulate to Clinton's
socialistic spending priorities.

Let's be clear about something. In the words of Thomas Kahn, the Democratic
staff director of the House Budget Committee, "It's a mistake to
underestimate the significance of the fundamental philosophical differences
between the parties."

It is true that both sides have agreed in principle "not to dip into the
Social Security surplus to pay for any programs." All that means is that they
have agreed not to engage in deficit spending.

Plus, Clinton still wants to raise taxes, although it appears that his
insatiable appetite for additional tobacco tax revenues is attracting little
support, even among congressional Democrats. But if we assume, for purposes
of discussion, that both deficit spending and additional taxes are off the
table, we are left with one major area of disagreement: spending priorities.

Clinton is adamant that the federal government control how education money is
to be spent: for school building improvements, to hire more teachers and
reduce class sizes. Republicans insist that this federal education money
should be returned to the states in block grants to be spent as each state
sees fit.

Similarly, the president wants to use federal monies to hire more community
police officers.

The bone of contention is not about how the money should be spent but who
should decide how the monies are allocated.

Republicans are not, per se, against new school buildings or more teachers
(though certain research, incidentally, suggests class size has not been a
major factor in academic performance). But they are philosophically opposed
to the federal government telling local communities how to spend education
money that never should have been taxed out of the local communities in the
first place.

The federal government has no business, either as a matter of constitutional
law or sound judgment, telling states and cities how they should spend their
money, whether in education or law enforcement.

If Clinton and Congress reach an impasse on these issues, the Republicans
must explain to the people that principles even greater than education and
law enforcement are at stake: the doctrines of federalism and popular
sovereignty.

This is a matter of freedom, pure and simple. It is indispensable to the
preservation of our liberties that we remain a government of the people, by
the people and for the people.

It is fine if Clinton and his statist buddies sincerely believe we should
hire more teachers and police officers. But they should be required to take
their case to the states and communities and convince them.

The conservative base of the Republican Party has been begging GOP leaders to
draw a line in the sand on these fundamental issues of freedom. Please let
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Re: [CTRL] Laugh till you cry.

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Terry Cox wrote:

What is the name of the case, couldn't find it at the onion.


There is no case.  The Onion is a satirical newspaper with a net edition.  Take
a look at the rest of the Onion site.  This is an old article that may be in the
Onion's archives.  Do you think They would be so forthcoming?

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[CTRL] Egyptian Millennium Celebration Zionist Plot?

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10-19-99

 CAIRO (Reuters) - An Islamist newspaper on Tuesday denounced Egypt's
plans for a spectacular New Year millennium celebration as part of a
Zionist plot to lay claim to the pyramids.

Al-Shaab, bi-weekly mouthpiece of Egypt's Islamist-oriented Labor Party,
argued that the show, organized by ``Zionist´´ French musician
Jean-Michel Jarre, would bolster what it called Zionist claims that Jews
had constructed the 4,500-year-old pyramids.

``The Jews claim that they are owners of Egypt´s ancient civilization
and the builders of the pyramids,´´ wrote Labor Party
Secretary-General Adel Hussein in a frontpage article.

Jarre, famous for albums such as Oxygene and Equinoxe, will perform a
12-hour electronic opera in a $9 million spectacular on the pyramids
plateau, featuring 1,000 performers, lasers, fireworks, and a mix of
Oriental and Western music.

``The climax of the awesome celebration is the placing of gold cap on
the main (Cheops) pyramid. What we are dealing with here is crowning the
top of our Great Pyramid with the symbol of Masonic Zionism,´´
Hussein wrote.

Egypt's Culture Minister Farouk Hosni has already come under fire from
nationalists in the arts community for choosing a foreigner to lead the
millennium party, expected to attract thousands of tourists and intense
media interest.

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Re: [CTRL] Captive Minds

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Hi !

I heard about this movie. I haven't seen it and can't vouch for it, but it
sounds interesting.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

http://info.wlu.ca/~wwwav/WLUCollection/C/v486.htm

Captive Minds: Hypnosis and Beyond
V0486 • VHS • 56 minutes

1983, Canada, National Film Board

Philosophy, Psychology, Religion and Culture

Captive Minds: Hypnosis And Beyond explores the power of suggestion and its
ability to influence behaviour – sometimes for life. By focusing on such
disparate institutions as an Indian ashram, a U.S. Marines training camp, a
monastery and the Moonie cult, the film reveals the striking similarities in
the indoctrination methods used to archive long-term effects.

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[CTRL] Fwd: WTO Rachael's # 673

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THE WTO AND FREE TRADE

What is being described as "the Protest of the Century" will take
place in Seattle, Washington, November 29 to December 3 amid
teach-ins, workshops, and strategy sessions all aiming to send a
powerful message to members of the World Trade Organization
(WTO), who will be in Seattle for the WTO's Third Ministerial
Meeting. Activists are calling for people from all nations and
all walks of life to make the journey to Seattle, to demand that
the WTO change its ways. But what is the WTO?

Although many environmental and community activists in the U.S.
know almost nothing about the WTO, in the 4 years since its
creation the WTO has emerged as the policy voice, the muscle, and
ultimately the fist of transnational corporations. Created by
international treaty in 1995, and now boasting 134 nations as
members, the WTO has written 700 pages of rules which add up to
an enforceable commercial code governing markets and trade
world-wide -- a code enforceable not by nation-states but by the
WTO itself. No doubt about it, the WTO is a powerful new system
of global governance.[1]

The structure of the WTO was designed by transnational
corporations, so it should come as no surprise that the WTO is
(a) radically undemocratic, fully insulated against pressure from
ordinary citizens; and (b) a vehicle for transnationals to
challenge and effectively repeal restrictions imposed on them by
nation-states.[1] The main idea that the WTO was set up to define
and enforce is "the global free market" or "global free trade."
But what is "free trade"?

Far back in the mists of time, when humans began trading shells
and beads with each other, the first markets emerged, but such
traditional markets were never free. All traditional markets are
embedded in societies and are regulated and restrained by those
societies for the purpose of maintaining social cohesion.
Familiar societal controls on markets include such things as:

** the Roman Catholic and Islamic religions' prohibitions against
usury;

** medieval guilds, which set minimum wages, and which set
standards and prices for goods;

** customary prohibitions or restrictions on the sale of certain
goods, such as public spaces, sexual favors, spoiled food, and
judicial decisions, for example;

** laws requiring government purchasing policies to give
preference to businesses run by people of a particular city or
region, or by women or minorities, or by some other identifiable
group;

** regulations requiring that products be labeled with their
ingredients or with their method of production (such as
"organically grown"), and that the labels be certifiably true;

** laws discouraging monopolies, to promote competition;

** a guaranteed minimum income, regardless of employment,
traceable to 1795 in England;

** laws requiring that production methods should protect
endangered species (for example, that shrimp be harvested by
methods that do not kill rare sea turtles);

** prohibitions against child labor;

** government ownership of certain public-service enterprises
(municipal and state hospitals in the U.S., or the oil industry
in Mexico, for example);

** limits on the length of a work day;

** restrictions on 100% ownership of businesses by foreign
nationals;

** tariffs intended to increase the price of imported goods as a
way of protecting domestic producers;

** government subsidies to promote particular industries -- for
example, planting many thousands of seedlings to assure a
domestic timber industry in the future;

** Etc., etc.

As anyone can see from this list, market restrictions can be

Re: [CTRL] 300,000$ reward, bunk. . .

[pmeares]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Now let me ask you this, IF one were to NOT have a bank account, but otherwise
 carried on as per normal, ie; used FRN's, etc. . . would that be sufficient
 to be "unseen" by the IRS?

Usually it might be sufficient, but there is always the
matter of receipts. Unless one has receipts stating,
"Paid at law in coin", the IRS will assume one was
using FRN's for their purchases. Even if one used clad
coins for their purchase, such receipts can still be
obtained by asking the seller to sign the receipt that
way.

Frog Framer styled clad coins as "unlawful counterfeit
with intent to deceive", but mentioned they are still a
step up from FRN's: private script. He also mentioned
that when using clad coins he gets "Paid at law in
coin" receipts all the time: "Most people have no idea
what it means, but judges do."

 OR are there attachments to the use of FRN's, and
 if that is the case how is this invisible contract brought to bear?

FRN's are private script, and (I assumed) can be seen
as having the same 'invisible contracts' attached as
bank accounts have -- by default. Although after
exchanging a couple messages with Frog Farmer on the
issue of gold/silver coins vs. clad coins vs. FRNs
these past few days, it seems I was mistaken about the
importance of "invisible contract" with regards to
FRNs, and that legally their day-to-day use is not as
significant as I had previously assumed. [But having a
book full of receipts stating "Paid at law in coin",
sure as hell wouldn't hurt anything]

When I asked Frog Farmer, "what legal considerations
caused you to exclusively use coins instead of FRN's?"
he replied: "I began after being asked to do so by Jack
Metcalf (Washington State Sen.), who explained the harm
done by FRNs to our country.  I was further supported
in the decision by George Gordon (pro se guru), who
made further distinctions between Law and Equity, and
how what we each choose to do says a lot about
ourselves. Actions have implications and
ramifications."

"...Do any of the people still understand the
difference between form and substance?  Between Equity
and Law?  Between debts and assets?  Has anyone cared
to read any monetary law, starting with the Act of
1792? Has anyone cared to research the history of the
FRN?  Yet they still have trouble differentiating
between FRNs and coin?"

"...You can't get receipts saying "paid at Law in coin"
when using FRNs - people aren't yet THAT stupid.  I use
all kinds of coins.  And I just don't want to support
the Federal Reserve, personally.  Do you?"

He suggested reading "Everything I Have Is The IRS" by
Merrill Jenkins, "which thoroughly explains the fraud
of the clad coin, and the Catch-22 situation that the
government has put itself in by pretending to treat a
quarter coin made of silver the same as a clad
counterfeit."

 Where is it hidden?  What role does the Social Sec. Sys. have in this, since all
 people must pay into it (though obviously this is probably grossly
 unconstitutional as well), how does one avoid this attachment, especially
 since this would give the "King" another avenue to pursue one for the
 collection of revenue?  Since courts have ruled that you cannot "opt out" of
 the system, how do you get around it?  Is it even necessary in the context of
 our discussion?

Mercier has a chapter in "Invisible Contracts" that
answers the above questions [Chapter 5, The Employment
Contract (pgs 229-299)
http://www.etext.org/Legal/Invisible.Contracts/incon05.txt]:
"A lot of folks don't realize it, but the presentation
of a Social Security Number to your Employer is a
contract with the King to pay taxes, and an
acknowledgment of personal Status as a Taxpayer." He
explains, step by step, how one can legally get around
this 'invisible contract', "but it's not an easy thing
to do". The best way and the most obvious thing to do,
of course, is not to be an employee or employer.

I realize these answers are a bit general in scope, and
are lacking much substance, and I apologize for it.
I've been extemely busy lately and didn't have nearly
as much time to spend on these subjects as I would
liked to have spent. Hopefully next time around

philately

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[CTRL] Reading Is Believing

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From http://www.thenation.com/issue/991108/1108fischler.shtml

{{Begin}}
November 8, 1999
Bertelsmann's Revisionist

 E-mail this story to a friend.

On October 30 in Atlanta, the Anti-Defamation League, self-described as the
world's leading organization against anti-Semitism, will honor the Bertelsmann
Foundation. The foundation, which is closely linked to Bertelsmann AG, the
global media empire and owner of Random House, Bantam Doubleday Dell and
others, will receive an award from the ADL's International A World of
Difference Institute.

The award will specifically recognize Reinhard Mohn, the founder of the
foundation as well as a member of the founding family of the Bertelsmann firm.
It is surprising that the ADL should so honor Bertelsmann at this time.
Contrary to the company's official history, Bertelsmann cooperated with the
Nazis in the late thirties and early forties, publishing a range of Hitlerian
propaganda [see Hersch Fischler and John Friedman, "Bertelsmann's Nazi Past,"
December 28, 1998]. Current Bertelsmann activities raise more disturbing
questions.

In 1980 Bertelsmann's Stern magazine published poems and illustrations
supposedly written and drawn by Hitler during World War I under the title
"Rhymes by Private First Class H" ("Gereimtes vom Gefreiten H"). Dirk
Bavendamm, a 61-year-old German historian who had been instrumental in helping
Stern obtain the material, wrote an accompanying article noting that the poems
and drawings show Hitler as an ordinary soldier. In one illustration a German
soldier gently holds a baby; in another, a soldier helps a mother lying in bed
while a baby nestles in a cradle. Subsequently the poems and drawings were
determined to be forgeries. (Later, Mohn gave the green light to a Bertelsmann
division to purchase the Hitler diaries, by the same forger, which also showed
a milder Hitler. They were published in Stern in 1983.)

Bavendamm's career was not affected. His book Roosevelt's Way to War
(Roosevelts Weg zum Krieg) was published in 1983. Rewriting history, he stated
that Roosevelt, not Hitler, had caused World War II. He also wrote that
American Jews "controlled most of the media," and he claimed they gave a false
picture of Hitler.

Did the book impress Mohn, then the majority shareholder of Bertelsmann? The
firm hired Bavendamm as its house historian, and in 1984 he completed a
historical study, 150 Years of Bertelsmann: The Founders and Their Time--with a
foreword by Mohn. A year later, Bavendamm edited the firm's official history,
which set forth the untrue story that the firm had resisted the Nazis and had
been closed down by them. Mohn also asked Bavendamm to write the authorized
history of the Mohn family, published in 1986 under the title Bertelsmann,
Mohn, Scippel: Three Families--One Company.

In a second book, Roosevelt's War (published in 1993, reissued in 1998),
Bavendamm accuses the US President of enacting a plan to start World War II. In
the same book he suggests that Hitler's threats in early 1939 against European
Jewry were a reaction to Roosevelt's strategy against Germany.

After the revelations about Bertelsmann's Nazi past appeared, the company
announced that it had asked "the historian and publicist Dr. Dirk Bavendamm to
look at the new information and begin to reinvestigate the role the publishing
house played in those days" and defended his work. It also set up an
independent commission to investigate Bertelsmann's World War II activities.
The commission, chaired by Saul Friedländer, a history professor at UCLA,
insisted that it could not continue unless Bavendamm departed. Professor
Friedländer said that he had read some of Bavendamm's work, but he declined to
categorize it. He noted that his objection was procedural rather than based on
content. "We asked very firmly that we should be the only research entity, and
Bertelsmann accepted our request immediately," he said.

Bavendamm said in an interview that he could not "remember exactly" what his
role had been in the publication of the fake Hitler poems and drawings.
Discussing Roosevelt and Hitler, he described his views as "nonconformist and
independent." He added, "All the world is under the impression that Hitler was
in the main responsible for the outbreak of World War II. But I see it in a
bigger framework of the United States moving to the status of a superpower."

A spokesperson for Bertelsmann said Bavendamm is not now employed by
Bertelsmann or any related entity and that his affiliation with the firm "ended
with formation of the Independent Historical Commission." The spokesperson
described the corporate history Bavendamm wrote as "never intended to be a
definitive scholarly corporate history of the company."

Caryl Stern-LaRosa, head of the ADL's A World of Difference Institute, admitted
there was "soul-searching" about the award. Although the Bertelsmann Foundation
donated about $1 million to the ADL for projects in Germany to promote
democracy, 

Re: [CTRL] Hanoi Jane ...100 Women of the Century

[Damian B. Cooper]

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At 02:26 PM 10/19/99 -0500,  K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

On 19 Oct 99, at 10:31, Gavin Phillips wrote:


 Looks like Hanoi Jane will be honored as one of the "100
Women of the Century".


Who's list is this?  When  will the "honor" be announced?

K


Almost certainly this "honor" originates with some crypto-communist
interest trying to promote the notion that persons with Jane Fonda's
political agenda are "honorable" and that Jane Fonda is, hence, a
"role model" who we should indoctrinate our children to emulate.

Similarly glorified ideologues have included Hillary, Nelson Mandela,
Winnie Mandala, Elie Weisel, Golda Meir, the comical and pathetic
Joycelyn Elders, and the snarling, blood-thirsty Madelaine
Albright.  You can be sure that they all have fireplace mantles
chocked full of similar awards from sock-puppet magazines and
lobbying organizations.

DBC

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Re: [CTRL] Exodus and DNA

[earthman]

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Same as you mate..but we are probably hemispheres apart..

Peter

We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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- Original Message -
From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Exodus and DNA


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 Hey earthman! What planet are you on???

 Joshua2
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 earthman wrote:
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
  Ah hem..
 
  Peter
 
  From: www.hiddenmeanings.com
 
  ANNOUNCING A NEW WEB PAGE !
 
  If you will visit the hidden meanings web site I have
  given over a new page to a proposal that I will make to you.
  The Biblical Story of Exodus and Moses crossing the Red Sea
  is mythology, about opening the Genetic Strand and bringing
  us all to the promised land of healing, and renewed consciousness
  through a cosmic change of DNA.
 
  To give you an idea what you will find in addition to scientific
  documentation of this proposal, let me share with you a bit of
  Biblical information.
 
  It states in the scripture:
 
  Exodus3:1  Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law,the
priest
  of
  Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of thedesert, and came to
the
  mountain of God,even to Horeb.
 
  Notice the word backside. Moses came to the backside of the desert and
came
  to the mountain of God.
 
  Now let me share with you a description of the Book of Life as written
in
  the
  book of Revelation.
 
  Revelation5:1  And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on thethrone
a
  book written within and on the backside, sealed with sevenseals.
 
  Notice again the word backside as well as the reference to the 7 seals.
  These
  are the 7 chakras which are positioned at the spine.
 
  The desert is the mind. The backside of the desert is the spine. We
ascend
  the spine via meditation to the mountain of God.
 
  And when our meditation reaches the top what do we find. The same thing
  Moses
  found, the burning bush. The Pineal Gland of the brain from whence we
  receive
  cosmic instruction.
 
  You will also see how Protein Enzyme corrects mutant DNA. How in Exodus
two
  prime conditions are the First Born and Leaven. Protein means First and
  Enzyme means leaven.
 
  Also amazingly this will be connected to Eta Carina, the magnificent
star
  sending out laser beams into the cosmoc. The root of protein is prow
which
  means Keel of a Ship, Carina means Keel of a Ship. The 7th chakra. Eta
means
  7th.
 
  And how do I know that Eta Carina The Keel of the Ship, is giving
  instructions
  to the scientists of today in making daily DNA healing discoveries.?
 
  Carina , the keel of the ship was named after the Argo which was the
ship
  sailed by Jason and the Argonauts. The keel of that ship was able to
talk
  and
  in times of danger it would give instructions concerning what to do. The
  same
  beings who wrote this myth wrote the Bible and gave us the names of the
  stars.
 
  The Keel of The  Ship is again giving instructions in the time of danger
and
  the bondage of disease and mutant consciousness is about to fall.
 
  But remember. When Jason turned his back on what he was supposed to do.
  The keel of the ship fell on him.
 
  Please when you have a chance take a look at the web site and at the
home
  page scroll down till you see MORE DNA. Click there and it will take you
to
  the new page. Remember is http://www.hiddenmeanings.com
 
  If indeed the new discoveries being made in DNA are fulfilling the
Exodus
  then we are all about to cross over the Genetic Sea to the promised land
of
  healing and new consciousness.
 
  This is the true gift of God that you always hoped would come. Far
different
  then the destruction predicted by the religionists.
 
  Let me know what you think.
 
  Thank you for your friendship, Bill.
 
  We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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[CTRL] Down Under There Media Coverage ...

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From http://www.newaus.com.au/upfront.html

{{Begin}}
Rupert Murdoch's Australian savages Republicans over test ban
By Gerard Jackson
No. 139,   25 - 31 October 1999
Cameron Forbes
The refusal of the US Senate to ratify the International Comprehensive Nuclear
Test Ban Treaty outraged Australian left-wing US-based journalists, causing
them to vent their anger on the Republicans, never a difficult task. The worst
of the lot, as expected, was The Australian's Washington-based Cameron Forbes.
A particularly nasty piece of left-wing work who never seeems to miss a chance
to blame the Republicans for whatever is supposed to plague the US.

Letting himself go, the self-righteous and dishonest Forbes accused the
Republicans of sending the world into "a mad nuclear arms race," of creating an
"apocalyptic vision," of causing India, China, Russia, North Korea and Pakistan
to conduct "further weapons test." But what could one expect, argued Forbes,
when the likes of Jesse Helmes, a man who "makes teenagers look like
troglodytes", are nestling in the Senate. (Rupert Murdoch's Australian, Ban the
bomb? Over Jesse's [Helmes] dead body, 15/10)

That those who opposed Clinton's test ban treaty could possibly have any sound
or honourable objections was summarily dismissed by Forbes who described them
". . . as people who do not want disarmament. They love the bomb — in the name
of US security and superiority." Why it is morally indefensible to defend US
security and maintain its military superiority is something that the socialist
Forbes chose not to share with his readers. After all, it was this military
superiority that kept Soviet barbarism at bay for more than 50 years. Is that
why Forbes hates it so?

In another sickening example of selective quoting Forbes parroted the left-wing
Chris Paine, a representative of the NRDC (Natural Resources Defence Council),
which Forbes tried to pass off as just "an influential lobby group." This is
absolutely false. The NRDC is a hardcore socialist green organisation that has
condemned economic growth, synthetic fuels, genetic engineering and nuclear
power, etc. It has done everything within its power to sabotage economic
development. During the Cold War it supported Soviet initiatives, condemned
American defence spending and demanded a nuclear freeze by the US — but not by
the Soviets.

It is fanatical and completely unprincipled. It provoked the alar scare,
claiming that its own experiments with mice proved that the chemical would
cause cancer in humans. Competent scientists extrapolated the NRDC's tests to
humans and found that a person would have to eat 27,000 apples a day for 70
years to produce the kinds of tumours that massive doses produced in the NRDC's
mice! It was later found that using the NRDC's own research, a mouse fed with
half the maximum dose — equivalent to a man eating 14,000 apples a day for 70
years — produced no tumours. A fact that the NRDC did not report. As this kind
of behaviour is the equivalent of what passes for journalistic ethics on
Murdoch's Australian, it's no wonder Forbes didn't notice. So it comes as no
surprise that he grossly misled his readers about the nature of this vicious
scaremongering outfit whose own founder resigned from it out of disgust because
of the direction it had taken. Another fact, like so many others, that the
fearlessly honest Forbes neglected to mention.

Having quoted the extreme leftwing Paine, Forbes then quoted Joe Biden, a
leading left-wing Democratic Senator who described the Republicans principled
rejection of Clinton's handiwork "as the US's worst mistake in his 27 years in
politics". And what do we know of Biden? Nothing good, as one would expect of
someone respected by Forbes.

It was Biden who took to the Senate floor in September 1998 and ferociously
argued that allowing America to defend itself against a nuclear missile attack
by building an anti-missile system "will destroy the Anti-Ballistic Missile
Treaty", completely ignoring the fact that Russia is working on such a system.
Moreover, according to this great American patriot, such a defence system would
force China and Russia to adopt a nuclear "launch-on-warning" strategy which
would bring "nuclear war closer". What Biden and his left-wing Congressional
ilk did was resurrect the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction. And yet this
is exactly what Forbes had the nauseating nerve to accuse Republicans of doing.
What a sickening hypocrite.

The truth is that Biden has a shocking record on American Defence. (Why else
would Forbes quote him approvingly). Biden was a strong supporter of the
Coalition for a New Foreign Military Policy. This umbrella organisation was
formed in 1976 by the notoriously pro-Soviet Institute for Policy Studies and
consisted of 55 left-wing groups. Readers will not be surprised to learn how
closely it toed the Soviet line which included "unilateral disarmament" and aid
to "liberated" countries like totalitarian 

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Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Jim Hightower.



THE DARTH VADER OF CAMPAIGN-FINANCE REFORM

It's Goober Time again {Beanie-cap Breakdown} -- time to give the
Hightower Radio "Gooberhead Award" to yet another public figure who's got
his tongue going 100 miles an hour . . . but forgot to put his brain in
gear.

Today's awardee is a repeat winner: Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky!
Mitch is the Darth Vader of campaign finance reform-a man whose mission in
life is to smite any and all proposals that would even slightly slow down
the gusher of corrupt corporate money that is poisoning American politics.
So zealous is he that Sen. Mcconnell has lashed out at a group he would
normally be playing kissy-face with: Corporate executives. He recently
fired off angry letters to some 20 top executives of such companies as
Xerox, General Motors, and Sara Lee.

These execs are members of the Committee for Economic Development, a
corporate policy group that is very conservative, like Mitch. But it seems
that CED has done the unpardonable-it has come out in support of a
campaign-finance reform proposal-a very limited, mild reform, but enough
to drive McConnell crazy. Of course, that's a pretty short trip for him.

The New York Times reports that Sen McConnell lambasted the wayward
executives for trying to {quote} "eviscerate private sector participation
in politics" and attempting to impose "anti-business speech controls." Uh
. . . Sen. Gooberhead, these people are the "private sector" . . . they
are "business". Never mind all that, bellowed Darth Vader, who even
scrawled at the bottom of one letter a notation that {quote} "I hope you
will resign from CED".

This is Jim Hightower saying . . . What a Gooberhead. The implied message
from this powerful senator is: Back-off of any reform proposal, or
kiss-off getting any legislation you want from the Republican senate.
Mitch McConnell's letter is a perfect example of why we have got to reform
this whole corrupt process. "Defying Senator, Executives Press Donation
Rules Change" by Don Van Natta, Jr. New York Times: September 1, 1999.



GOING TO WAR IN COLOMBIA

Does this scenario have a ring of deja vu for you? The U.S. government
intervenes in a civil war in a foreign land on the side of the ruling
elites, providing a few helicopters at first, then more military
equipment, then putting military "advisors" on the ground . . . and the
next thing you know, U.S. officials are announcing that our country's
vital national interests are at stake in this civil war and we must
excalate our involvement.

Welcome to Colombia, which will become the new Vietnam for America if you
and I don't start saying "no" as loudly and clearly as we can. The elite
class in Bogata, Colombia's capitol, have long been enjoying a prosperous
life--a prosperity not shared with the majority of the country. As a
result, rebels in the countryside have gained strength and now control 40
percent of the nation, getting ever closer to Bogota's enclaves of
privilege.

The U.S. has quietly stepped in, trying to shore up the ruling
government's inept, corrupt, and brutal military. You might be surprised
to learn that Colombia already is the third largest recipient of U.S.
military and foreigh aid money in the world-nearly $300 million this year.
We also have more than 200 military advisors and trainers there. And now,
the Clinton Administration is set to escalate our involvement
dramatically, putting a billion dollars into Colombia's government, and
sending more U.S. equipment and personnel to try to defeat the rebels.

The rationale is that all-purpose bugaboo-the War on Drugs. Colombia
supplies 80 percent of the cocaine coming into the U.S., and the rebels
get financing from some of this trafficking. Of course, the Colombian
military--a notorius human rights abuser--also profits from the drug
trade, as do some of those elites in Bogota.

This is Jim Hightower saying . . . Be alert! In the name of our failed
drug war, Washington is getting us mired deeper and deeper in a shooting
war. "US Ready to boost aid to troubled Colombia" by Douglas Farah.
Washington Post: August 23, 1999. "Colombia abuzz with talk of
intervention" by Serge Kovaleski. Washington Post: August 23, 1999.



FOWL FACTORIES

What's the most dangerous animal in the U.S. (besides human beings, I
mean)? The rattlesnake? Grizzly bear? Wolves? None of the above. The
chicken is the most dangerous animal to us humans. It's been widely
reported that this humble bird is now subjected to such an inhumane,
industrialized processing system that it now commonly comes to your table
contaminated with such bacterial killers as salmonella and E coli. But,
less reported is the fact that 40,000 workers will be seriously injured
this year as they grapple with the eight billion chickens that zip along
the conveyor belts of America's processing plants.

[CTRL] 'Cooperate or else'

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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From http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/1999/452/ec1.htm

{{Begin}}
Cooperate or else?
By Aziza Sami

William Daley

The coming four months will witness the implementation of what US Secretary of
Commerce William Daley calls an ''aggressive plan of action'' aimed at
preparing a "blueprint" for economic cooperation in the region. The US hopes to
present the new plan at a conference on Middle East-North African (MENA)
regional integration in the spring of next year.

The US idea is to encourage the private sector, via the American Chambers of
Commerce in the Arab countries and Israel, to lobby their governments for freer
trade in the region.

"Regionalism must be private sector-led," said Daley. "[You cannot have]
governments telling you what to do, or governments forcing this to happen."
Daley finished his fourth tour to the area this week. It included Israel,
Jordan, Palestinian self-rule territories in Gaza and Egypt, followed by a trip
to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. In Abu Dhabi, the secretary met
with representatives of the six Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states.

During his visit to Egypt, which was described by the US Embassy as
''historic", Daley oversaw what he called "the first multilateral meeting of
its kind," bringing together in Cairo representatives of the American Chambers
of Commerce of Egypt, the Palestinian Authority, Jordan, Lebanon, Tunis,
Morocco, the United Arab Emirates and Israel.

''As far as I know there has never been a coming together like this of the
[American] chambers [of commerce] in any region of the world," said Daley.
Chamber representatives have "agreed to establish a regular dialogue between
them," said Daley, and to work with local businesses throughout the region to
come up with an aggressive action plan by 30 March, which they will present to
me as a blueprint of the reforms needed to create a regional market."

This American initiative would presumably sidestep the condition set by Arab
governments, and by Egypt in particular, which is that regional economic
integration and expanded trade between the Arab countries on one hand and
Israel on the other must run parallel to serious progress in the peace process.
Impediments such as Israeli settlements, the future of final status
negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, and progress on the
Syrian and Lebanese tracks still obstruct the smooth implementation of the
peace process.

But the American view, as stated by Daley, is that "trade barriers in the Arab
world have to come down (as do barriers) between the Arab world and Israel. The
day will come when a new chapter of peace will be written in Lebanon and in
Syria. What happens then? Do we leave those countries economically isolated?"
he asked.

Daley, who met with the ministers of trade from the Palestinian Authority and
Israel before coming to Cairo, said that he sensed a more optimistic atmosphere
"than that of a year ago. The two ministers were talking and trying to solve
their problems".

The view in Cairo on the eve of Daley's visit was carefully worded. Egyptian
Foreign Minister Amr Moussa said that "if progress continues in the peace
process, then it will be suitable to hold a (MENA) conference sometime in the
first half of next year."

For its part, the US is currently establishing a pattern of relations with a
number of countries in the region, such as Egypt, Jordan and Turkey, by which
tariff-exempted commodities can flow from these countries to the US via Israel.
Turkey, like Egypt, is facing problems establishing a free trade area with the
US. Nevertheless, it enjoys a free trade arrangement with Israel which allows
it to export products to the US market. Initiatives are also being undertaken
by Israeli businessmen to set up feeder industries in Turkey's South Anatolia
development project. This would allow products to be exported to markets in
Central Asia through joint Israeli-Turkish ventures.

Jordan has also signed two agreements with Israel for the operation of two
Qualified Industrial Zones (QIZ's), with a third in the pipeline. These were
discussed during Daley's visit to Jordan. Commodities produced in these zones
would enter the US tariff free.

Daley's tour, timed to take place at a critical juncture before the new round
of World Trade Organisation (WTO) talks scheduled to start in Seattle next
November, also focused on lobbying governments in the region for more
privatisation and liberalisation. The US is especially concerned about Jordan
and Saudi Arabia which have not yet joined the WTO.

The US has promised that some $5 billion worth of investments will be directed
to the region once its countries fully open up their markets to foreign
investors.

In Egypt the telecommunications and pharmaceuticals sectors are being eyed by
US investors on condition that they undergo more liberalisation. Daley, whose
accompanying business delegation included the president of the pharmaceuticals
giant Merck, 

Re: [CTRL] LA-AGORA Digest - 19 Oct 1999 to 20 Oct 1999 (#1999-204)

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: James Daugherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:  Re: LA-AGORA Digest - 19 Oct 1999 to 20 Oct 1999 (#1999-204)
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 10:59 AM

My my, James, what a change. You've moved from your usual name calling and
abuse to something with some substance. [Not very much substance, as we
shall see below, but any improvement is welcome.]

James Responds:   I haven't changed.  Any name calling was
in response to specific lies on your part.  Perhaps you are simply
starting to realize that your over-generalizations about "conspiracy
theorists" are unjustified nonsense.

You just simply don't seem to be able to read, James. If you will look at
what I said, it was not that the dominate institutions in either Britain or
the U.S. were libertarian but that the modern tradition of liberty [i.e.,
LIBERTARIANISM] that arose as a REACTION to the FAILED English Revolution.

James Responds:  Frankly, no, I don't see that modern libertarianism
is primarily a reaction to the Puritan Revolution.  Certainly, support or
toleration for liberty increased after the Puritan Revolution due to the
exhaustion of
civil war. However, was a significant dissident tradition spawned?  Or did
the totalitarian-religious-Statist scum on both sides of the Revolution
finally decide that their authoritarian plans for religious and economic
political uniformity were impractical and give-up the worst aspects of their
ugly dreams?  Britain's superior environment of  individual liberty as
compared to
continental States is more likely due to the English channel as internal
liberty tends to vary inversely with external threat.   Feel free to state
your
case with examples if you care to convince me.  Maybe I still don't
understand
what you are getting at with regard to the Puritan Revolution

I don't think that this is a bit ethnocentric, since if you bother to look
at the French and Russian traditions of liberty you will find that (1) they
were largely inspired by the very roots I point to, rather than having a
domestic origin and (2) they were highly flawed from the outset [see
Hayek's essays on "Liberty: True and False" etc.]  The Italian liberty
movement is something else entirely, but no one in the U.S. seems very
familiar with that tradition in any case, and since I live in the U.S. my
silly ethnocentrism [to say nothing of pragmatism] tends to focus on what
matters here rather than in the remnants of East Prussia.

James Responds:  Yes, indeed the 18th Century French advocates of
laissez-faire and
liberty, the physiocrats and others were impressed by the superior state of
liberty in
England after the Glorious Revolution.  In fact, they "idealized" British
liberty
far beyond its reality.  On the other hand, many of the 18th Century French
free-thinkers were flawed from a libertarian perspective by extremely
socialistic ideas.  Feel free to state Hayek's thesis more clearly as I have
not read the essay you mention.

Let's assume for the moment that there is such a thing as "the government"
[which there isn't], then the result of your observation that it is engaged
in a "conspiracy against liberty" is, what exactly, James?

James Responds:  If there is no such thing as government, then, indeed, it
is a waste of time talking further until that issue is resolve.  I am aware
of
the ultra-individualist libertarians who make such claimI happen to
think
they are deluded.  Certainly, the "non-existence" of government needs more
discussion.I have studed Mr. Mann's similar thesis and find it wanting.
I
think Mr. Mann's website is called "The Free World Order".  Are you
referring
to his ideas or something  related or different?

Is the result
that we should swallow just any urban legend that someone comes up with
about what "the government' is up to now?

James Responds:  Why imply something you know I do not claim?  Silly!

Is the implication that since
"the government" is engaged in a "conspiracy against liberty" that we
should be worried about the Pope or the Royal Family taking over and
striping us of whatever liberty we have left. Sorry, James, but this
evasion doesn't wash.

James Responds:   I have never thought or stated any such thing.  The
point is that Statism is promoted by a ruling class that benefits from
Statism.  This makes Statism especially difficult to defeat.  The benefits
of Statism are in reality concentrated in Elite that has become expert
in maintaining Statism.  There is a self-sustaining positive feedback loop
between the ruling class and the State.  Libertarians need to take this
into account in devising a strategy to weaken and ultimately overthrow
the State.

Regarding the Pope and the Royal Family:
have always pointed out this as a conflict in the ruling class that provides
opportunities for the advocates of 

Re: [CTRL] Frequencies USED FOR MASS POPULATION MINDCONTROL

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Passing this on to those who need it..

-Original Message-
From: Thomas Buyea [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, 25 October 1999 9:33
Subject: Re: IUFO: Fw: Frequencies USED FOR MASS POPULATION
MINDCONTROL-PLEASE PASS ALONG


I am a radio  TV station eng. and Ham Radio Operator and I can tell you
the first three frequencies are not cell phone -- They operate in the
800--900 MHZ range.Not FM radio it operates in the 88 to 108 MHZ
range and CB radio operates in the 26 to 28 Mega = Million cycles per
second and not in the Kilohertz = Thousands of cycles per second range.
Even if you had the frequencies you would probably need some type of
telemetry signal to get it to work properly.If it actually ever
worked in the first place ?

Tom Miami, Florida, USA   UFOlogist
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Heavenly Osiris and Earthly Isis? No doubt.

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On 24 Oct 99, , Das wrote:

 I think the disagreement with you is based on confusing what the Egyptians
 believed (amply recorded in both their texts and drawings and sculptures)
 and what relatively modern "illuminati" CLAIM they believed, attempting to
 subsume Egyptian religion under the themes found in Indo-European as well
 as SOME Near Eastern religions, just in order to make everything "come out
 right" as "universal."  The archeological evidence makes clear the fact
 that even in the Near East, even in ancient Sumer, the "gender of
 cosmology" was in fact OPPOSITE to what we have in later, more
 "patriarchal" times. For example, in both Egypt and Sumer, the moon is
 MALE, and in various places in Mesopotamia the sun is female (the female
 Shapash instead of the male Shamash), and Venus' and Mars' genders are
 usually reversed -- Dumuzi/Tammuz is the MALE fertility god and
 Inanna/Ishtar is the GODDESS of war and sexual frenzy, not at all a "love"
 goddess!  The male is portrayed as a bull, the female as a scorpion,
 mirroring the forms of the signs Taurus and Scorpio.  (Athena for the
 Greeks was goddess of WAR earlier than Ares, note, and Dionysus was a
 sensuous FERTILITY god of sorts.) Of course, along with the (to us)
 "gender reversal" of social roles, the MOST ancient layer of culture in
 both Egypt and Sumer was "matriarchal," which to an anthropologist means
 MATRILINEAL.  In Egypt, the pharaoh inherited his office through the Queen
 Mother (see the Heb-Sed ritual, where he dances around a veiled goddess on
 a throne) and in Sumer, the lugal (priest-king) assumed office after
 "wedding" the Goddess in the form of the High Priestess.  Come the Age of
 Aries, these Taurean concepts fell into disfavor with the patriarchal
 warlords, who "masculinized" ALL divinity, as in Greece, leaving female
 deities to govern only the element most DESPISED by them -- "earth."


Yes! Thanks Goat for saying it so clearly and well. Lately I seem to have little 
patience
for explaining things.

This ancient matrilineality is almost always left out of historical discussion--I 
believe
the change took place somewhere around 2500 BC with the fall of Babylon--by which
time many of the matriarchal practices were probably decadent and corrupt ( as are
many of the patriarchal practices today). One of the major world changes created by
the establishment of Judiasm was the change from matriarchy to patriarchy with the
subsequent demonization of all matriarchal practices. (The evil of Lillith, etc.)
sno0wl

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[CTRL] re-post-The Money-Media Complex

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Money-Media Complex
  by Alfred Adask

  We're constantly reminded that this is the "Information Age". Nations and
  corporations compete in life-or-death struggles to gather, possess,
  record, use, conceal, spin and sell information, because (as you know)
  information is power!

  Maybe so, but I have my doubts. I agree that knowledge of truth is power,
  but the waterfall of information that soaks me each day is not comprised
  exclusively of truth. We watch the Evening News and wonder if
  "Information Age" leaves us better informed or better deceived.

  I listen to the TV News every night and find the various opinions and
  information fascinating, but within hours I can't remember what those
 opinions
  were. Can you remember last night's news? I can't. So is this the Age of
  information? Of Gossip? Or a second Age of Babel?

  Today, thanks primarily to the telephone, radio, TV, Internet and other
  forms of electronic communication, each of us has access to quantities of
  information that were inconceivable just ten or twenty years ago. Today,
  the average janitor has access to more information than the average
  university professor in 1950. So is this the Information Age? No. It's
  the Opinion Age.

  What seems to have increased in the Information Age is not truth, but
 opinion.
  There's an old joke that opinions are like an unsavory human orifice:
  everybody's got one. Little did they know — today, everybody's got scores
  of opinions — we've got as many opinions as hairs on our heads. Joe Brown
  thinks this, Jane Smith thinks that, and Alfred Adask thinks something
  else. Not everyone's become a commentator, columnist, or publisher, but
  within another four or five years, we just might.

  Today's political struggle is not to find information — it's as
 ubiquitous as
  coat hangers — but to control and restrict the distribution
  (communication)
 of
  information. Did Bill Clinton really "inhale" when he tried marijuana
  (once) decades ago? Does he cheat on his wife with White House in-terns
  young enough to be his daughter? Of course. The information is not only
  available, it's widely published And communi-cated.

  But while we titter over Bill's peccadillos, how many Americans know
  that, as Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton was allegedly involved in
  massive chug smuggling through the Mena, Arkansas airport and, perhaps
  several homicides? Frankly, I don't care if Bill inhaled in college or
  Monica inhaled in the White House. 'What I want to know is whether Bill's
  primary party affiliation is with the Democrats or organized crime,
  whether he helped kill Vince
 Foster,
  and if he's committed treason with Red China for political campaign
  contributions.

  The mainstream media's answers to my questions aren't denial — it's
  silence. They don't deny the most serious allegations concerning Bill
  Clinton, they ignore 'em. In the "Information Age:' the mainstream media
  doesn't deny
 facts,
  they deny questions. They don't deny truth, they drown it in a torrent of
  "nightly news" that leads Americans to ' forget that the quantity of our
  information is no substitute for its quality (truth).

  In denying my questions, the media denies, me, isolates me. I rage in the
  night but (judging by the mainstream media) I make no sound. Since I
  depend
 on
  the mainstream news for my sense of "community," my mute isolation makes
  me doubt my perceptions and question my sanity. Seemingly unable to
  succeed in "Publishing" (raising public awareness) that the President may
  be a psychotic irresistibly drawn to organized crime, lust, murder and
  treason — I finally concede, maybe I'm the one who's nuts.

  Guess which headline the main- stream media is more likely to
  run:
 "Clinton's
  a Psycho!" or "Adask's a Nut!"? But who cares if I'm nuts? What
  difference does it make if some eccentric roofer publishes opinions that
  might reach 40,000 or 50,000 people?, In a population of 265 million, my
  audience seems insignificant.

  Yet, if the President of the United States is psychotic, it seems to me
  that all Americans share an interest in not only keeping him away from
  knives and pointy scissors, but also from the buttons that launch nuclear
  missiles, international trade negotiations and domestic health care
  plans. Perhaps President Clinton's just another over ambitious
  politician, with too little ethics and too much ego. However, Bill's
  persistent pattern of behavior over several decades suggests his tendency
  to "do wrong" may be complusive And that's why a responsible mainstream
  media should conduct a thorough, public investigation of Clinton's
  behavior.  A lot of lives could depend on whether Bill's motivated by a
  big ego or a big 

Re: [CTRL] People Who Have Died After Being on the Art Bell Show

[Nicky Molloy]

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Hi Samm,

I have read a lot of the book by Fr Malachi Martin The Keys to This Blood
and it is very good. Apparently he has a genius IQ anyway so just for the
sheer grasp of how he perceives the world is quite enlightening. Of course
it is not to promote the Vatican but to say which tentacles are spreading
where. And it's quite astounding how we could miss it considering how long
it has gone on for. Maybe people avoid Catholic stuff and aren't looking to
find evidence of a Catholic takeover but really it has come a long way and
we need to watch what they are doing along with the Freemasons etc I would
sure like to read his new book something? House.Windswept House, about the
debauchery in the Vatican. Is there an ET underground base under the
Vatican? A man in UK is making a documentary for this now. So I can pass any
info on this to him. Thanks if anyone knows.

Nicky


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, 25 October 1999 4:46
Subject: Re: [CTRL] People Who Have Died After Being on the Art Bell Show


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In a message dated 10/23/1999 12:47:42 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 And of course the beloved Father Malichi, a real Catholic exorcist. He
  predicted a meteor would hit the earth.

Malachi Martin died after being on Bell's show?  How very sad.  Do you think
any of this implicates Bell?  I've never listened to him and don't know if
he's considered reliable and safe or not.

Samm

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[CTRL] re-post-Rejected as a Juror

[Gavin Phillips]

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 WorldNetDaily
 
  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/metcalf/981019.comgm.shtml
 
  Rejected as juror
 
  Geoff Metcalf
 
  I have always wanted to serve on a jury. However, when I
  finally got the call, there was a problem.
 
  Henry Ward Beecher once advised, "Hold yourself
  responsible for a higher standard than anyone else expects
  of you." Good advice. If you talk the talk, be prepared to
  walk the walk.
 
  I was actually kinda looking forward to the jury experience,
  and had I been willing to lie, and/or compromise my
  principles, I might have actually gotten to serve on a jury.
 
  After two days I was ordered to report to the jury lounge,
  and did. Half way through the "hurry up and wait" cattle
  call, they played an orientation tape for us to view. After
  having viewed the tape, I went home and wrote the
  following letter to the jury commissioner:
 
  Dear Madam,
 
  I have been called to jury duty and was recently
  called to report. In the process of the jury
  orientation I watched the video which was shown. I
  was surprised by what I thought to be incorrect
  information presented in the video, and am seeking
  clarification.
 
  As a radio talk-show host I have had the
  opportunity to interview a wide and eclectic variety
  of representatives from various organizations.
  Additionally, my reading and research indicates that
  the power of a juror is far more significant than
  presented in your orientation.
 
  There was a Nov. 30, 1984, article in the
  Minneapolis Star and Tribune entitled, "What
  judges don't tell juries" and subsequent reference
  data (U.S. vs Daugherty, 473 F 2nd 1113, 1139 in
  1972), which suggests your orientation is
  misleading.
 
  The first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court,
  John Jay, said, "The jury has the right to judge both
  the law as well as the fact in controversy." Your
  video states the opposite.
 
  In U.S. vs Daugherty, 473 F 2nd 113, 1139 (1972), it
  states clearly, "The Jury has an unreviewable and
  unreversible power ... to acquit in disregard of the
  instructions on the law given by trial judge. ..."
  Your video states the opposite.
 
  Given I will certainly talk about my jury experience
  (in general non specific terms) on my program, I
  would greatly appreciate your clarification and/or
  correction of my current belief. Since I am
  scheduled to interview people from the Fully
  Informed Jury Association again, I would very
  much like to have cited whatever law or precedent
  nullifies the beforementioned references.
 
  Thank you for whatever courtesy and/or
  consideration you may extend.
 
  I hand delivered the letter to the jury commissioner and
  subsequently was told I could meet with the presiding
  judge. I met with the judge, and we spent a pleasant 30
  minutes during which he gave me a recent court ruling
  which he said would address my questions. I read the
  ruling (twice) and the next day hand delivered to the judge
  and the jury commissioner the following letter:
 
  Dear Judge Ridgeway,
 
  Thank you most kindly for your courtesy, time and
  graciousness in responding to my previous query.
  Also, thank you for providing me with a copy of
  People vs Fernandez to complement our discussion.
 
  As I indicated, I have, over the years, been flooded
  with documents from a wide variety of "outside the
  mainstream" sources. I do not consider myself
  partisan politically, and have routinely maintained
  I am more concerned with "what" is right or wrong,
  rather than "who" is right or wrong. However, in
  the wake of considerable reading and study, I DO
  consider myself to be a Constitutional Conservative.
  The Founders had it right. Notwithstanding the
  obfuscation of time and inertia, I still consider the
  Constitution and the Bill of Rights to be the
  Supreme Law of the land.
 
  After our meeting I was hopeful the documents you
  provided would clarify my questions regarding jury
  nullification, and refute Justice Jay's contention
  that, "The jury has a right to judge both the law as
  well as the fact in controversy." However, after
  careful reading of the pages you gave me, I find my
  concerns about jury instructions exacerbated rather
  than quelled.
 
  On page 712 it notes "... we hold that the trial court
  did not have to advise the jury of its power to
  nullify a verdict..." yet clearly IMPLIES the jury
  HAS the power to nullify a verdict.
 
  On page 714 it notes, "We need not decide whether
  ... the jury's power to acquit where the law may
  dictate otherwise is a fundamental necessity of a
  democratic system." The key phrase to me is "We
  need not decide". It continues, "A jury has the
  'undisputed' power to acquit, even if its verdict is
  contrary to the law instructed upon by the court
  and contrary to the evidence." THAT is consistent
  with my expressed concerns. The next point, I feel,
  crystallizes the conflict, "few states still give juries
  the 

[CTRL] Judgeing the Law

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 98-10-21 16:00:19 EDT, you write:

 http://www.fija.org/juror-handbook.htm


 Jurors' Handbook
 A Citizens Guide to Jury Duty

 Did you know that you qualify for another, much more powerful vote than the
 one which you cast on
 election day? This opportunity comes when you are selected for jury duty, a
 position of honor for
 over 700 years.
 The principle of a Common Law Jury or Trial by the Country was first
 established on June 15,
 1215 at Runnymede, England when King John signed the Magna Carta, or Great
 Charter of our
 Liberties. It created the basis for our Constitutional, system of Justice.
 JURY POWER in the system of checks and balances:
 In a Constitutional system of justice, such as ours, there is a judicial body
 with more power than
 Congress, the President, or even the Supreme Court. Yes, the trial jury
 protected under our
 Constitution has more power than all these government officials. This is
 because it has the final veto
 power over all "acts of the legislature" that may come to be called "laws".
 In fact, the power of jury nullification predates our Constitution. In
 November of 1734, a printer
 named John Peter Zenger was arrested for seditious libel against his
Majesty's
 government. At that
 time, a law of the Colony of New York forbid any publication without prior
 government approval.
 Freedom of the press was not enjoyed by the early colonialists! Zenger,
 however, defied this
 censorship and published articles strongly critical of New York colonial
rule.
 When brought to trial in August of 1735, Zenger admitted publishing the
 offending articles, but
 argued that the truth of the facts stated justified their publication. The
 judge instructed the jury that
 truth is not justification for libel. Rather, truth makes the libel more
 vicious, for public unrest is more
 likely to follow true, rather than false claims of bad governance. And since
 the defendant had
 admitted to the "fact" of publication, only a question of "law" remained.
 Then, as now, the judge said the "issue of law" was for the court to
 determine, and he instructed the
 jury to find the defendant guilty. It took only ten minutes for the jury to
 disregard the judge's
 instructions on the law and find Zenger NOT GUILTY.
 That is the power of the jury at work; the power to decide the issues of law
 under which the
 defendant is charged, as well as the facts. In our system of checks and
 balances, the jury is our
 final check, the people's last safegard against unjust law and tyranny.
 A Jury's Rights, Powers, and Duties:
 But does the jury's power to veto bad laws exist under our Constitution?
 It certainly does! At the time the Constitution was written, the definition
of
 the term "jury" referred to
 a group of citizens empowered to judge both the law and the evidence in the
 case before it. Then, in
 the February term of 1794, the Supreme Court conducted a jury trial in the
 case of the State of
 Georgia vs. Brailsford (3 Dall 1). The instructions to the jury in the first
 jury trial before the Supreme
 Court of the United States illustrate the true power of the jury. Chief
 Justice John Jay said: "It is
 presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the other hand,
 presumed that courts are
 the best judges of law. But still both objects are within your power of
 decision." (emphasis
 added) "...you have a right to take it upon yourselves to judge of both, and
 to determine the
 law as well as the fact in controversy".
 So you see, in an American courtroom there are in a sense twelve judges in
 attendance, not just one.
 And they are there with the power to review the "law" as well as the "facts"!
 Actually, the "judge" is
 there to conduct the proceedings in an orderly fashion and maintain the
safety
 of all parties involved.
 As recently as 1972, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
 said that the jury has an
 " unreviewable and irreversible power... to acquit in disregard of the
 instructions on the law
 given by the trial judge (US vs Dougherty, 473 F 2d 1113, 1139 (1972))
 Or as this same truth was stated in a earlier decision by the United States
 Court of Appeals for the
 District of Maryland: "We recognize, as appellants urge, the undisputed power
 of the jury to
 acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by the judge, and
 contrary to the
 evidence. This is a power that must exist as long as we adhere to the general
 verdict in criminal
 cases, for the courts cannot search the minds of the jurors to find the basis
 upon which they judge. If
 the jury feels that the law under which the defendant is accused, is unjust,
 or that exigent
 circumstances justified the actions of the accused, or for any reason which
 appeals to their logic of
 passion, the jury has the power to acquit, and the courts must abide by that
 decision." (US vs
 Moylan, 417 F 2d 1002, 1006 (1969)).
 YOU, as a juror armed with the 

[CTRL] re-post Fwd: The Politics of Cancer

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

 Here is this week's column:

 In 1999, one in two American men and one in three American women will get
 cancer. In the 1950s, one in four Americans were afflicted with this
 deadly disease.

 Despite the expenditure of $25 billion since the war on cancer was
 declared by President Nixon in 1971, cancer rates have soared. Why?

 In a recently released book, Dr. Samuel Epstein reveals evidence
 implicating industrial carcinogens that permeate our environment -- in our
 foods, our air, our water, our consumer products.

 And he blames the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and the American Cancer
 Society (ACS) -- what he calls "the cancer establishment" -- for ignoring
 these causes and instead spending billions on the elusive search for a
 magic bullet cure for cancer.

 Epstein maintains that with a comprehensive program of prevention, we can
 drive cancer rates back down to the relatively low rates of the 1950s.

 Every couple of months or so there is a major story in the national press
 about a breakthrough in cancer treatment. These breakthroughs rarely pan
 out and thus cruelly raise the hopes of cancer victims worldwide.

 These stories are hyped by mainstream journalists who have for the most
 part ignored the Dr. Epstein's work -- most recently in The Politics of
 Cancer Revisited (East Ridge Press, Fremont Center, New York, 1998. Copies
 can be ordered through Dr. Epstein's web site (www.preventcancer.com) or
 from the publisher by calling 1-800-269-2921).

 This emphasis on a corporate cure fits well with the megacorporate agenda
 of externalizing toxics to increase profits, thus riddling the population
 with higher cancer rates and needless suffering.

 As Dr. Epstein points out, from 1950 to 1998, the overall incidence of
 cancer rose about 60 percent, with much higher increases for cancer of
 some organs. For non-Hodgkins lymphoma and multiple myeloma, the increase
 has been 200 percent. Breast cancers have increased by 60 percent.
 Prostate cancer has increased 200 percent. For testicular cancer in men of
 the ages 28 to 35, there has been a 300 percent increase since 1950.

 And don't let anybody fool you into thinking that the cancer rate increase
 is because the population is getting older -- these rates are
 age-adjusted. The cancer rates of a group of 50 year old men in 1990, for
 example, are compared to the cancer rates of a group of men in 1950.

 So, why is the cancer establishment losing the war against cancer?

 "The cancer establishment is fixated on damage control -- diagnosis,
 treatment and basic genetic research -- and is indifferent, if not
 sometimes hostile, to cancer prevention -- getting carcinogens out of the
 environment," Epstein told us recently. "The second factor is conflicts of
 interests, which are significant when it comes to the National Cancer
 Institute, but profound and overwhelming when it comes to the American
 Cancer Society. In the book, I go into great detail on conflicts between
 the American Cancer Society and the cancer drug industry, the mammography
 industry, the pesticide industry, and other such industries."

 According to Epstein, the outgoing director of the National Cancer
 Institute left that organization to go to the cancer drug industry.
 Another NCI director in the 1970s left NCI to go to the American Cancer
 Society and from there to head up the fiberglass industry (fiberglass is a
 recognized carcinogen).

 Epstein charges that the cancer establishment is misleading people into
 believing that it is spending a good chunk of its stashed away billions on
 prevention -- which is untrue.

 For example, Epstein says that the budget for occupational cancer is under
 1 percent of the total NCI budget ($2.8 billion in 1998). Yet occupational
 cancers comprise at least 10 percent of all cancers in the country, he
 says, and are among the most preventable of all cancers.

 So, if Epstein were the general in charge, what would he do to win the war
 on cancer?

 In 1992, Epstein and 64 other experts in public health, preventive health
 and carcinogenesis called on the cancer establishment to clearly recognize
 and publicly state that cancer is largely avoidable and to increase its
 present minuscule appropriations for cancer prevention so that they
 achieve parity with diagnosis, treatment and basic research over a period
 of a few years.

 Then, they suggested, the cancer establishment must conduct detailed
 studies of the wide range of avoidable and involuntary carcinogenic
 exposures -- and Congress must act to get them out of the environment.

 For example, Representative Henry Waxman, D-California, has proposed that
 consumers be notified, through their water bills, of the carcinogens in
 their water and their concentrations. Such direct information to consumers
 on the carcinogenic assault on their bodies would justly create a
 political uproar.

 Epstein also supports legislation that would make it a crime for any
 

Re: [CTRL] Hanoi Jane ...100 Women of the Century

[Tenorlove]

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Never thought I'd say this..



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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Press Release by J.H. Hatfield on Bush book

[Kris Millegan]

From: David Goldman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

From Drudge:

DRUDGE REPORT
October 24, 1999

Author J.H. Hatfield’s Response to the Controversy Surrounding the
Publication and Recall of Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an
American President

My recently published biography Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making
of an American President is “scrupulously corroborated and sourced,” as
described by my publisher, St. Martin’s Press, in their own press release on
October 18. However, when an author writes about the current governor of
Texas and the front-runner for the U.S. presidency (whose father happens to
have been the former director of the CIA and the president of the United
States), it is amazing how quickly the smear campaign and character
assassination efforts can be mobilized.

On Monday October 18, I was in New York City promoting Fortunate Son.
Although John Murphy, the head of the publisher’s publicity department, had
previously promised they could arrange an appearance by me on the Today
show, Good Morning America, and interviews with most major news outlets in
the country (I even taped a segment for the CBS Evening News with Dan
Rather), we quickly found ourselves running into a virtual news blackout and
lack of media coverage of the release of my new biography of the leading
presidential candidate George W. Bush. St. Martin’s Press, a respectable
publisher who had previously published the Barbara Bush’s best-selling
memoirs and Monica Lewinsky’s story, were told repeatedly “off the record”
by news agencies that the George W. Bush presidential campaign was putting
pressure on the news organizations to NOT give my biography any coverage.

Two days after the book tour began, the emphasis of the story changed from
presidential front-runner George W. Bush to biographer J.H. Hatfield. From
the beginning of civilization, if you wanted to destroy the message, you had
to destroy the messenger. And, quite frankly, that has happened this week.
Not only have I been attacked repeatedly in the news media and harassed to
the point that I was forced to send my wife, and less-than-a-month-old baby
girl into hiding, the publisher took the unprecedented step of not only
suspending publication of the book (there are 90,000 copies in print), but
also recalling it from bookstores because St. Martin’s Press called into
question their ability to trust the information provided to them by the
author.

From Midland to Dallas to Houston, I spent over a year researching Fortunate
Son, interviewing hundreds of George W. Bush’s friends, college classmates,
business associates, political colleagues, employees, acquaintances—all who
graciously contributed their time, knowledge, and experiences. Thomas Dunne,
whose division and imprint published the biography for St. Martin’s Press,
told a reporter on Monday, October 18, that the book had been “carefully
fact-checked and scrutinized by lawyers.” Actually, during my stay in New
York earlier in the week to promote the book’s publication on October 19, my
editor Barry Neville, and others, told me that I didn’t realize the extent
of this book’s legal review by not only the publisher’s in-house counsel,
but also the company’s outside legal firm, Levine Sullivan  Koch of
Washington, D.C. Supposedly, I was a “dream author” who kept meticulous
notes and background material exhaustively researched. I have been
complimented repeatedly for the almost sixty pages of source notes in the
last pages of the biography, which, incidentally, the publisher’s legal
representatives—both in-house and outside attorneys—reviewed after the
manuscript was completed.

The Bush family responded directly to Fortunate Son at least a month ago,
when one of their representatives called my publisher in regards to an
allegation we made in the book that George W.’s engagement to Cathryn Lee
Wolfman in 1967 was called off due to pressure from the elder Bushes because
the prospective bride’s stepfather was Jewish. In the interest of balanced
reporting, we added a footnote to the book before it went to press that the
Bush family “vehemently denied this explanation” for the young couple’s
breakup, even though we stood by our sources who stated otherwise.

On Saturday, October 16, my publisher and I were informed that George W.
Bush had a copy of Fortunate Son’s twelve-page Afterword, in which we
alleged through three informed sources that he had been arrested for cocaine
possession in 1972 and had his record expunged by a Houston judge after he
worked as a youth counselor for several months at Project P.U.L.L., where
his father was a heavy contributor and honorary chairman. Because the word
“expunge” is defined as “to blot or strike out; erase,” this created
significant problems for me as a biographer. I had to rely on the informed,
but confidential testimony of three sources close to the Texas governor who
were knowledgeable of the cocaine possession charge against Bush when he was
a younger man. In 

Re: [CTRL] Salon News | Book: Bush was arrestedfor cocain

[A.C. Szul]

 -Caveat Lector-

As ABC-TV guy Sam Donaldson called Salon.com: "hatchet of the Left."

They give online journalism a bad name.
-A

Kris Millegan wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 from;
 http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/cocaine/index1.html
 Click Here: A
 HREF="http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/cocaine/index.html"
 Salon News | Book: Bush was arrested for cocain…/A
 -

 Book: Bush was arrested for cocaine in 1972
 Texas author J.H. Hatfield claims the Republican front-runner did community
 service at a Houston center.

 - - - - - - - - - - - -
 By Salon Staff
 Oct. 18, 1999 | A new book by Texas author J.H. Hatfield claims that George
 W. Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972, but had his record
 expunged with help from his family's political connections. In an afterword
 to his book "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American
 President" (St. Martin's), Hatfield says he took a second look at the Bush
 cocaine allegations after a story in Salon reporting allegations that Bush
 did community service for the crime at the Martin Luther King Jr. Community
 Center in Houston's Third Ward.
 The center's executive director, Madgelean Bush (no relation to George W.
 Bush), had told Salon News and others that Bush did not do community service
 there, and the Bush campaign likewise denied the allegation. But the Texas
 governor had admitted to working at Houston's Project P.U.L.L. in 1972, and
 Hatfield says he began to wonder if that was actually the community service
 sentence. Hatfield says he confirmed those suspicions with three sources
 close to the Bush family he had cultivated while writing his biography, which
 publishes Wednesday.

 

 Fortunate Son:
 The Rise of George W. Bush  The Next Generation of Politics
 By J.H. Hatfield

 
 Bush's campaign denied Hatfield's allegation Monday.
 By contrast, "First Son: George W. Bush and the Family Dynasty," by Dallas
 Morning News reporter Bill Minutaglio, says George Bush Sr. referred his son
 to Project P.U.L.L. after an incident in which George W. drove drunk with his
 younger brother Marvin in the car.
 But Hatfield quotes "a high-ranking advisor to Bush" who confirmed that Bush
 was arrested for cocaine possession in Houston in 1972, and had the record
 expunged by a judge who was "a fellow Republican and elected official" who
 helped Bush get off "with a little community service at a minority youth
 center instead of having to pick cotton on a Texas prison farm."
 Hatfield quotes a former Yale classmate who told him: "George W. was arrested
 for possession of cocaine in 1972, but due to his father's connections, the
 entire record was expunged by a state judge whom the older Bush helped get
 elected. It was one of those 'behind closed doors in the judges' chambers'
 kind of thing between the old man and one of his Texas cronies who owed him a
 favor ... There's only a handful of us that know the truth."
 Another source named only as "a longtime Bush friend" described the situation
 this way: "Say you get a D in algebra ... and now you're going to be required
 to repeat the class the following year, but your teacher says if you promise
 to be tutored during the summer by a friend of hers who's good in math,
 she'll change the D to a C. You spend a few hours a week during the summer
 vacation learning all about arithmetical operations and relationships, and
 then the teacher issues you a new report card, replacing the old one on file
 in the principal's office ... Something akin to that scenario is what
 happened with Bush in 1972."
 Hatfield also says that when he asked Scott McClellan to comment on the
 allegation of a former Yale classmate of Bush's that the presidential hopeful
 was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972 and had his record expunged in
 exchange for community service at Project P.U.L.L., the Bush campaign
 spokesman said, sotto voce, "Oh, shit," followed by, "No comment."
 McClellan denies that the exchange ever occurred. "I never spoke to the guy,
 and I'm not aware that anyone at the campaign has spoken to him," he told
 Salon News.
 "This guy should have stuck with writing science fiction," said Bush campaign
 spokeswoman Mindy Tucker. "He's obviously trying to sell books with something
 absolutely untrue."
  Next page | "Do I know for a fact these allegations are true? No, of course
 not"

 Tucker pointed out that there were no Republican judges in Harris County
 until 1979 and says that former President George Bush's office "has issued
 quite a strong statement about how inaccurate this is." The elder Bush's
 spokeswoman was not reachable for comment.
 Hatfield is a Texas reporter and syndicated columnist. He has previously
 published a biography of "Star Trek" actor Patrick Stewart.
 "Our lawyers looked at the manuscript 

[CTRL] HERE'S ONE HELLOVA GREAT IDEA!

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

I am NOT recommendong this, i.e., I go with the ol'Hitchcock line
of reasoning, i.e., "no matter how guilty (or innocent) a person
is, if there ain't any cops around, then you ain't gonna get
busted, do any time, and/or die in the gas chamber (or in an
accidental police shooting)!"



--begin--

The phone rings at FBI headquarters.

"Hello?"

"Hello, is this the FBI?"

"Yes. What do you want?"

"I'm calling to report my neighbor Adrian Thibodeaux! He is
hiding marijuana inside his firewood."

"Thank you very much for the call, sir."

The next day, the FBI agents descend on Thibodeaux's house. They
search the shed where the firewood is kept. Using axes, they bust
open every piece of wood, but find no marijuana and finally
leave.

The phone rings at Thibodeaux's house.

"Hey, Adrian! Did the FBI come?"

"Yeah!"

"Did they chop your firewood?"

"Yep"

"Great, now it's your turn to call. I need my garden plowed."


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