[CTRL] Magnes

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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From
http://www.amuseum.org/jahf/virtour/page17.html

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Medal by Victor Ries (1969), Judah Magnes, Religious leader 
educator.
Judah L. Magnes (1877-1948)

Judah Leon Magnes was born in San Francisco, and grew up in Oakland,
California.  He later became the first native Californian to receive
a rabbinical degree from the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati.
Magnes went on to serve at Temple Israel in Brooklyn (1904) and at
Temple Emanu-El in New York City (1908), one of the most influential
positions in American Reform Jewry. A few years later, Magnes headed
the conservative Congregation B'nai Jeshurun.

In 1909, Magnes founded the Kehillah, a union of diverse Jewish
communal organizations in New York City. He remained its president
during the entire time of its existence, through 1922, and is
credited with changing the emphasis from charities to social work.
With seemingly boundless energy, Magnes also helped to found the
Yiddish daily Der Tag, the Society for the Advancement of Judaism,
the American Civil Liberties Union, and the Join Distribution
Committee. He was Secretary of the Federation of American Zionists
and a lifelong friend of Henrietta Szold, with whom he helped turn a
small women's social group into the world's largest Zionist
organization - Hadassah.

Probably Judah L. Magnes' greatest work was done on behalf of the
Hebrew University in Jerusalem, of which he was a founder and the
first president. Dr. Magnes is given much of the credit for making
the University the world-renowned institution that it is today.

Magnes was an outspoken leader in the campaign for the establishment
of a Jewish homeland. His compassion for people - all people - led
him to appeal for a bi-national state of Jews and Arabs. He has been
called the Jewish Gandhi because of his constant work on behalf of
both independence and harmony in the Holy Land. Just before the
United Nations made its momentous decision establishing the State of
Israel, Magnes spoke before the world body. Unfortunately he became
ill shortly after, and was buried in his beloved Jerusalem.



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[CTRL] Down For the Count

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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From
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“…However, he put a tommy gun through the open window on my side of
the car and fired point-blank at Count Bernadotte and Colonel Serot.
I also heard shots fired from other points and there was considerable
confusion…”

The Death of Count Folke Bernadotte (1), September 17, 1948

STATEMENT BY GENERAL AAGE LUNDSTROM (2)
   I met Count Bernadotte in Beirut on Thursday morning, 16th
September, and went with him to Damascus, where we spent the night.
We left Damascus on Friday morning, 17th September, by air at
approximately 9.30 a.m. (Arab time). On our way to Kalandia field (3)
we received a message from Haifa to the effect that all aircraft
landing at Kalandia would be fired on. As we had sent advance notice
of our arrival and had received clearance, we discounted this warning
as false and landed at Kalandia without incident. At the airfield we
were met by United Nations Observers Colonel Bonnot (France), Colonel
S~rot (France) and Major af Petersens (Sweden). With Major Massart
(Belgium) as driver, the Count, Colonel Bonnot France), Lieut.-
Colonel Flach (Sweden), Major De Geer (Sweden) and myself, we left
the airfield to visit Brigadier Lash of the Arab Legion at Ramall ah.
The rest of Count Bernadotte's party were ordered to proceed to the
American School and to wait for us there.

Before we started, I was told that every other jeep or car was fired
upon at the Mandelbaum Gate (4). I then asked Count Bernadotte if it
would not be wiser to proceed from Ramallah via Latrun to Jerusalem.
This route would take an hour longer, but would undoubtedly be safer.
Count Bernadotte answered:

I would not do that. I have to take the same risks as my Observers,
and moreover, I think no one has the right to refuse me permission to
pass through the lines. If I do not go, I will be admitting that they
[Israeli authorities] have the right to prevent me from crossing the
lines. I agreed, and it was decided that after the meeting with
Brigadier Lash we would return through the lines at the Mandelbaum
Gate. We then left to keep our appointment with Brigadier Lash. After
the meeting I asked Brigadier Lash for a guard to take us to the
front lines and received an armored car, which met us on the way to
the lines. En route, just past Kalandia, our car was fired on from a
short distance (pistol shot) and one bullet hit the disc of the rear
wheel. We then arrived at the American School (5), where we collected
the rest of the Count's staff and proceeded to the Mandelbaum Gate
and on to the Y.M.C.A (6) without incident of any kind.

During lunch at the Y.M.C.A. a program for the afternoon was settled.
Count Bernadotte was to see Dr. Joseph, Military Governor of the
Jewish part of Jerusalem, at 6.30 p.m., and before that we were to
visit the Government House (7) and Agricultural School (8) in the Red
Cross Area. Three cars were ordered, but I decided that only two
would be permitted to pass the lines to the Red Cross Area. One car
was driven by Colonel Frank Begley, with Commander Cox in the front
seat, the Count, Colonel Serot and myself in the back seat. The other
car was driven by Major Massart, with the Jewish liaison officer
Captain Hillman, Miss Wessel, Lieut.-Colonel Flach and Major De Geer
as passengers. We went first to Government House. From the roof of
the tower Commander Cox pointed out the different areas where there
had been a lot of firing, the front lines and neutral zone, etc. The
question was raised about eighteen Jewish men who had been brought up
to the Agricultural School, while it was desired that still more
should be brought in to clean up. Count Bernadotte would not allow
that, of course, as it was against his decision. He asked the Swiss
doctor, Dr Facel, representing the interest of the International Red
Cross Committee at Government House, to come with us to the
Agricultural School. When we came to the school the woman in charge
was away and Commander Cox was not sure about the terms of the
agreement. He wanted to look at his papers in the Y.M.C.A., and the
doctor was asked to come with us in order that we might get his
opinion on how to deal with this situation. The doctor took his own
Red Cross car, and otherwise the order of the cars remained the same,
with the Count's car last in the convoy. ~'e went from the neutral
zone to the Jewish lines without incident, crossed the check-points
and went on farther into the New City. In the Qatamon quarter we were
held up by a Jewish army -type jeep, placed in a road-block, and
filled up with men in Jewish Army uniforms. At the same moment I saw
a man running from this jeep. I took little notice of this because I
merely thought that it was another check-point. However, he put a
tommy gun through the open window on my side of the car and fired
point-blank at Count Bernadotte and Colonel Serot. I also heard shots
fired from other points and there was considerable confusion. The

Re: [CTRL] Cuba Sees First Afghan Prisoners

2002-01-12 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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some of these guys will just disappear to get more effective
manchurian training - no-one would know - the camp
sounds like Jonestown.
we'll maybe see some of these dudes later after they have
been put through more intensive training ..

andrew hennessey

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[CTRL] Irgun

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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Irgun  the State of Israel

by Bernie Hecht

The History of the birth of the state of Israel is complex and
involved. Many have sacrificed much to bring the Jewish State into
existence. One such body was the Irgun also know as the Etzel group.
The Irgun was a military group that refused to bow to political
pressures in securing a state for the Jewish people. Much of the
modern Israeli politics today stem from the Irgun and the
organization from which they broke, the Hagganah.

To give a brief history of this valiant fighting group, it must be
known that the Jewish Yeshuv, the agricultural settlements, were
suffering from Arab maunders who would cause mayhem with the attempts
of the Jewish settlers in setting up their settlements. The British,
who at first encouraged the immigration of Jews to Israel, now openly
banned Jewish immigration. They became ineffective in providing
security for the settlers. For this reason, the Hagganah, a Jewish
underground armed organization was set up in. As Arab outrages
increased, the members of the Hagannah split over the question how to
react to Arab terrorism. A group of men, headed by Avraham
 Tehomi, split from the main group and set up their own organization to be more active 
in persueing the Arab terrorists.

After continued increased tensions and rioting, the new group split. Half of the 
members returned to the Hagganah, which was controlled by the Jewish Agency, and the 
other half formed what was called Irgun Zvi Leumi, (Nat
ional Military Organization) and aligned themselves with the ideals of Zev Jabotinsky. 
They rejected the restraint policy of the Jewish Agency which preferred to use 
political powers to forward the goal of reclaiming th
e land. The Irgun began carrying out armed reprisals against the Arabs, which although 
provided relief for the settlers, caused political embarrassment for the Jewish 
Agency. While the Jewish Agency tried to provide a ima
ge of the Jew as a moral person being terrorized by the Arabs, thus winning support 
from the non-Jewish world, albeit at the expense of the Jewish settlers, the Irgun 
moved into the vacuum and gave it's full support to th
e settlers.

In 1939, the British published another one of it's 'white paper' effectively 
curtailing immigration and causing other hardships on the Jewish settlement. The Irgun 
now turned it's attention to the occupying British forces
. The Irgun began sabotaging the British government property and attacking their 
forces. The British replied with mass arrests but the perpetrators were concealed by 
their brethren who sided with them.

With the outbreak of World War II, the Irgun split again, some forces deciding to 
fight with the British against the Nazi Axis powers. This group declared a truce and 
joined the British army and the Jewish Brigade. The se
cond group, led by Avraham Stern, later known as the Stern Gang.

In December of 1943, Menacham Begin took lead of the Irgun. With knowledge now of the 
Nazi holocaust and fate of European Jewry, the Irgun reversed its truce against the 
British and the policy of not allowing Jewish immig
ration. The Irgun attacked British police stations, offices, and headquarters. They 
seized weapons and replenished their arsenal. The British began making mass arrests. 
Many Irgun fighters were driven into hiding. Menache
m Begin was forced into hiding. He took upon himself the disguise of a religious man 
and spent much time in a Synagogue in Tel Aviv under an assumed name. From his long 
time underground he developed an appreciation of the
 religious Jews, which lasted the rest of his life. It is noteworthy to mention that 
he was the first Israeli Prime Minister to don a traditional skullcap and to publicly 
thank G-d for his successes.

The Jewish Agency and their group, the Hagannah moved against the Irgun. The Hagannah 
kidnapped several of the Irgun's members and handed them over to the British. The 
Irgun's activities were not reduced but not stopped.
After World War II, the Hagannah realized that the British were not relenting their 
ban on immigration, nor were they helpful in combating Arab terrorism. The three 
groups, the Irgun, the Hagannah, and the Stern Group (kn
own also as Lechi ) combined to fight the British.

The Irgun in a sensational attack blew up the wing of the King David hotel in 
Jerusalem, in May 1946, which housed the British Palestine Command. Warnings went 
unheeded and many lives were lost. The British were furious a
nd carried out mass arrests. The Hagganah, ceased it's actions when it's leaders were 
arrested in August 1946, but the Irgun continued fighting. The British increased their 
troops to one hundred thousand men. The ferocity
 of the British reprisals increased including public floggings, deportations, arrests 
and hangings.

The Irgun staged a heroic prison break, freeing 41 prisoners in a daring break at the 
Arce 

[CTRL] Irgun II

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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From http://www.etzel.org.il/english/

The Irgun Site

 Written by: Prof. Yehuda Lapidot

 Translated from Hebrew by Chaya Galai

 Steering Committee: Yitzhak Avinoam (chairman),
 Petachia Shamir, Isaac Raviv, Peleg Tamir
 Advisor: Yehuda Eisenberg

Cliquable linques

 Introduction
 The Establishment of The Irgun
 Restrain and Retaliation
 The Illegal Immigration of the Irgun
 The Split Within the Irgun
 The Revolt is Proclaimed
 The 'Hunting Season'
 The United Resistance
 Black Sabbath
 The Bombing of the King David Hotel
 The Raid on the Jerusalem Railway Station
 The Raid on the Jerusalem Officers Club
 The Acre Prison Break
 The Gallows
 In Africa Exile
 The Irgun Abroad
 Deir Yassin
 The Conquest of Jaffa
 The Jerusalem Battalion
 The Altalena Affair


http://www.etzel.org.il/english/

Many embedded linques at site

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The Irgun Abroad

ACTIVITIES IN EUROPE BEFORE WORLD WAR TWO
More than three million Jews, concentrated mainly in the large towns,
lived in Poland in the 1930s. In Warsaw, for example, Jews
constituted one-third of the population. The Polish government,
worried by the increase in Jewish influence in the country, not only
did nothing to hinder the illegal immigration movement which the
Revisionists organized in Poland, but actively assisted it.

In 1936, Jabotinsky met with the Foreign Minister, Josef Beck, and
created the infrastructure for collaboration. The Polish government
hoped that the establishment of a Jewish state would lead to mass
emigration of Jews, thus solving the Jewish problem in Poland. In
November 1937, Avraham Stern (Yair), then secretary of the Irgun
General Headquarters, arrived in the Polish capital armed with a
letter of recommendation from Jabotinsky. He met with senior
government officials and laid the practical foundations for
cooperation between the Polish army and the Irgun Zvai Le'umi. Within
the framework of this cooperation, Polish army representatives handed
over to Irgun representatives weapons and ammunition which had been
kept in special ammunition depots. The weapons remained under Polish
army supervision until they were despatched to Eretz Israel. Some of
the weapons were concealed in the false bottoms of crates in which
the furniture of prospective immigrants was transported, or in the
drums of electrical machines. When the consignments reached Eretz
Israel, they were taken to a safe place, and the weapons were removed
from their hiding place.

When in Warsaw Avraham Stern was much helped by Dr. Henryk Strasman, a well known 
lawyer and an officer in the Polish Reserve force. His wife Alicja (Lilka) was also of 
great help. The Strasmans introduced Stern to the Po
lish intellectuals and high officials. It was in their home that the preparations for 
the publication of the Polish periodical Jerozolima Wyzwolona (Free Jerusalem) were 
begun. It was Lilka who designed the cover - A ma
p of Eretz Israel with the background of an arm holding a gun and the words in Hebrew: 
 (This Way Only). This became later the symbol of the Irgun.

In March 25,1939, senior Irgun commanders from Eretz Israel participated in a course 
held in the Carpathian mountains, instructed by Polish army officers. The course took 
place under conditions of great secrecy, and the i
nstructors wore civilian clothing. The participants were not permitted to establish 
contact with local Jews, and the letters they wrote home were sent to Switzerland, 
inserted in new envelopes, re-addressed to France, and
 finally posted from there to Palestine. The trainees received military training and 
were taught tactics of guerilla warfare.

When the course ended, they returned to Eretz Israel,

Yaakov Meridor
apart from three who remained in Poland: Yaakov Meridor, who was responsible for 
despatching the weapons received from the Polish army; Shlomo Ben Shlomo, who 
organized a commanders course for selected members of Irgun ce
lls in Poland (Isaac Raviv was one of the participants), and Zvi Meltzer, who 
organized a similar course in Lithuania.

The organization of clandestine Irgun cells in Europe had begun a year previously, and 
was mainly conducted among members of Betar. The plan was to train a cadre of 
fighters, who would immigrate to Eretz Israel illegally,
 bringing arms with them, to become a kind of commando corps. Avraham Stern was 
involved in organizing the Polish cells, and was assisted by Nathan Friedman-Yellin 
(member of the Irgun commission in Poland) and Shmuel Mer
lin (General Secretary of the New Zionist Organization in Poland).

The first course for Irgun commanders in Poland was held in the fall of 1938 and was 
headed by Aharon Heichman (a member of the Irgun General Headquarters), who was sent 
specially from Palestine for this assignment. Twent
y four members of Polish cells took part in the course, which was conducted in 
complete secrecy. The Polish police, whilst aware of what was going on, did not 
intervene nor did they ask questions 

[CTRL] Police seize house of 82-yr-old widow.

2002-01-12 Thread THe eXTReMiST

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More abuses of the new American Police State: Government stealing private property in 
the name of the Drug war.  Police Departments PROFIT from property seizures and have 
great incentive to steal property. Meanwhile, the CIA is still the largest US drug 
importer, and the borders are still WIDE OPEN.  Wake up people, you are next.
--

Home Seized After Son's Drug Arrest
By Associated Press
January 11, 2002, 10:53 PM EST

ATHENS, Ga. -- Police have seized the house of an 82-year-old widow because they say 
she knew her son dealt drugs there and did nothing to stop him.

Fannie Gresham's small home was seized Thursday under a state law allowing authorities 
to confiscate property linked to the illegal drug trade.

Authorities also arrested her 50-year-old son, Tommie Top Dollar Gresham, on a drug 
charge after he allegedly dropped several rocks of crack cocaine and fled.

Police records show 29 incidents of drug activity at the address since 1992 and 
authorities say drug dealers were caught numerous times fetching drugs from the house 
for street sales.

Based on that, and police claims that the elder, widowed Gresham was helping her son's 
alleged operation, Superior Court Judge Stephen Boswell issued a court order in 
December allowing the seizure. Boswell gave Fannie Gresham 14 days to move her 
belongings.

Her attorney, Jim Smith, likened the seizure to the widespread illegal taking of 
property and land from blacks that he says tarnishes America's past.

They have never seized any drugs in this house. This lady is not accused of a single 
thing, he said.

Police predicted more such seizures as they crack down on the drug trade in the city's 
troubled neighborhoods.

A hearing on the seizure has been scheduled in February.
Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press
-end article-
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Let us face reality. The framers of the Constitution have simply been too shrewd for 
us. They have outwitted us. They designed separated institutions that cannot be 
unified by mechanical linkages, frail bridges, tinkering. If we are to turn the 
founders upside down - to put together what they put asunder - we must directly 
confront the constitutional structure they erected.
- James MacGregor Burns, anti-American socialist/globalist, advocate of constitutional 
revision, The Power To Lead, 1984.

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[CTRL] Anti-Terror Proposals List

2002-01-12 Thread THe eXTReMiST

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The proposals here do nothing to stop terrorism but it does everything to take away 
your rights.  More trashing of the Constitution. More power transferred from the 
people to the tyrants.  Meanwhile the borders are still wide open, Bush is quoting the 
Koran and is best buddies with Russian communist Putin, more money is being poured 
into the gestapo Homeland Security, they still want your guns. Mayday! Mayday! Your 
country is disintegrating. Wake up!
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Anti-Terror Proposals List
By The Associated Press
January 11, 2002, 3:44 PM EST

Details of some anti-terrorism measures that have been proposed in states since Sept. 
11.

Police and prosecution powers:

_Roving wiretaps proposed in California, Maryland and Minnesota.

_Death penalty for terrorism proposed in Nevada, and now law in New York.

_Abolishing statute of limitations for all terrorist crimes proposed in New York.

_A public health system overhaul, as laid out in model legislation under consideration 
by lawmakers in many states, includes measures that would:

_Give governors broad powers in case of a medical emergency, including suspension of 
laws that hinder appropriate response.

_Allow for compulsory medical exams and vaccinations.

_Allow for isolation of the sick and mass quarantines.

_Set rules for collection and sharing of medical information and for release of public 
information.

___

Communication system improvements:

_New threat alert for nation, states and local governments being discussed by Homeland 
Security Director Tom Ridge, state and local officials.

_Local and state funding for upgraded communications proposed in Minnesota and North 
Carolina, and under review in Maryland and New Jersey.
Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press
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patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the 
blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever 
pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no 
need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear 
and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and 
gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.
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Re: [CTRL] Afghanistan: Experts Ponder U.S. Treatment Of Prisoners

2002-01-12 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 The United States is set to start transferring scores of Al-Qaeda and
 Taliban prisoners from Afghanistan to an American Navy base in Cuba.
 Experts say the unique circumstances of the war in Afghanistan present
 some daunting legal questions on how to treat those prisoners.

 Washington, 10 January 2002 (RFE/RL) -- The United States says it is
 set  to transfer an initial group from nearly 400 Al-Qaeda and Taliban
 prisoners captured in Afghanistan to a U.S. base in Cuba where they will
 be detained and interrogated -- and possibly tried for war crimes.

 But the matter of taking prisoners in Afghanistan, including the Taliban's
 former ambassador to Pakistan, transferring them out of the country,
 and perhaps trying them for war crimes has got U.S. legal experts
 scratching their heads, wondering: Is America's behavior legal under
 international law? 

This is fascinating.  I heard Rummy this morning on BBC say these people were
not prisoners of war.  He said they were unlawful combatants.  He said they
did not have the protection of the Geneva Convention.  I don't know whether
their being kept in what amounts to kennel runs have anything to do with
this, but I'm really interested in his terminology.  Does anyone out there
know where the term unlawful combatant comes from, and what is the
definition?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Thoughts On Bill Cooper

2002-01-12 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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 William Cooper was true to his word and his conscience to his very
 last breath. Whether I agreed with his views and tactics or not, I
 view him as a good American. Cooper was a masterful writer and the
 author of Behold a Pale Horse, a book well worth reading.

Cooper a masterful writer? If that means a master at
manipulating humans toward fear, that may be a correct statement.

Behold a Pale Horse is must reading for any serious
conspiracy researcher, but not for its prose. Most of it is
not even written but copied material from other sources.

I'm still not sure if the Phoenix Journal Space-Gate: the
Veil Removed is plagiarized from Cooper or the otther way
around (see http://www.contactnews10.com/journals/index.html
to download a pdf copy of this or any other Phoenix Journal).

I have not seen anything that proves Cooper was wrong
(excepting his JFK-Greer scenario); what puzzles me is how
the NWO can be so inept at implementing their plans. Proving
plans have been made is one thing; seeing them happen as
planned is quite another.

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[CTRL] northern ireland explodes - again

2002-01-12 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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hi,

just so that you are in touch with reality,
whilst blair is jetting round the world eating curry and wearing
silk kaftans etc northern ireland exploded in yet another feast
of sectarian violence and riots for 2-3 days in a row -
centered around catholic children going to a minors school
at holy cross through a protestant estate.
a catholic postasl worker was killed last night -

somehow I get the thought that tony should be looking closer
to home for a solution to terror - and that maybe it is time
that the united nations was brought in ? to help stop the
killings - certainly things are again spiralling out of control.

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Re: [CTRL] Afghanistan: Experts Ponder U.S. Treatment Of Prisoners

2002-01-12 Thread c.

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http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/2/slaughter-a.html


In Afghanistan we're actually on a battlefield. Al-Qaeda members captured
under such circumstances can be tried by military tribunals if they are
unlawful combatants under the 1949 Geneva Conventions. The convention
governing prisoners of war defines unlawful combatants as participants in an
armed conflict who abuse their civilian status to gain military advantage:
those who do not carry arms openly and do not carry a fixed distinctive
sign such as a uniform or other insignia that would identify them as
soldiers. Terrorists appear to fall into this category almost by definition,
as they depend on concealing their identity before their attacks.

If a prisoner is deemed an unlawful combatant, he or she is entitled only to
a conviction pronounced by an impartial and regularly constituted court
respecting the generally accepted principles of regular judicial procedures.
This is a relatively low standard of due process, which military tribunals
would almost certainly meet. But out of respect for our own values and
traditions as well as public diplomacy, we should at least ensure that the
rules governing such proceedings bring them up to minimum international
standards of due process: a presumption of innocence, the right to choose
counsel (although it may be from a list provided by the tribunal), a speedy
trial, the right to confront and rebut adverse evidence publicly, and the
right of appeal (which could be to a higher military tribunal).

Ordinary prisoners of war, by contrast, may also be tried for war crimes but
are entitled to the same standard of process that would be applied to our
own soldiers: that is, a full courtmartial under the Uniform Code of
Military Justice. But here's the catch: How do we distinguish between lawful
and unlawful combatants in the first place? Until such a determination is
made, all prisoners are presumptively entitled to POW status. Membership in
al-Qaeda, per se, suggests unlawful combatant status, since a lawful
combatant must be a member of an organization capable of complying with the
laws of war. But it's not clear who gets to make this determination--a
military tribunal or a full court-martial?


- Original Message -
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Afghanistan: Experts Ponder U.S. Treatment Of Prisoners


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 In a message dated 1/11/02 2:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

 
  The United States is set to start transferring scores of Al-Qaeda and
  Taliban prisoners from Afghanistan to an American Navy base in Cuba.
  Experts say the unique circumstances of the war in Afghanistan present
  some daunting legal questions on how to treat those prisoners.

  Washington, 10 January 2002 (RFE/RL) -- The United States says it is
  set  to transfer an initial group from nearly 400 Al-Qaeda and Taliban
  prisoners captured in Afghanistan to a U.S. base in Cuba where they will
  be detained and interrogated -- and possibly tried for war crimes.

  But the matter of taking prisoners in Afghanistan, including the
Taliban's
  former ambassador to Pakistan, transferring them out of the country,
  and perhaps trying them for war crimes has got U.S. legal experts
  scratching their heads, wondering: Is America's behavior legal under
  international law? 

 This is fascinating.  I heard Rummy this morning on BBC say these people
were
 not prisoners of war.  He said they were unlawful combatants.  He said
they
 did not have the protection of the Geneva Convention.  I don't know
whether
 their being kept in what amounts to kennel runs have anything to do with
 this, but I'm really interested in his terminology.  Does anyone out there
 know where the term unlawful combatant comes from, and what is the
 definition?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] a pro-Gritz, anti-Cooper list

2002-01-12 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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 He responded with a lot of rhetoric. Specifically, he stated that
 if the driver had shot Kennedy that it was strange that no one ELSE
 had seen this.

For another view on this see Lars Hansson's 1991 2-part affidavit at:

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lear/hansson.html

 Cooper claimed that the driver used a CIA assasination (pistol)
 device that was CO2 powered and used an exploding pellet full of
 shellfish toxins.

Considering the Zapruder film was doctored before it saw the light of day I
don't know why it is so revered. Anyone who works with video knows it can be
used to prove anything but only because people think visual perception of an
event constitutes proof.

 This deliberately avoids tackling Cooper's theories in order to
 sling shit.  Character assassination is the first resort of those
 with no truth to articulate.

In Jacques Vallee's book Revelations he devotes a chapter to his meeting
with Cooper in 1991 or 1992. He made a point of mentioning the rapidity with
which Cooper ordered drinks during dinner; this really pissed me off at the
time. However, the majority of those who abuse alcohol or any other
substance long-term DO eventually develop paranoid thinking in the extreme.

It is very unfortunate that Cooper's information, most of which is valid,
was compromised by his paranoia; he reached some conclusions that may have
been fueled by his mental disorientation.

Even if everything he concluded was correct, the world we live in is not so
completely evil or negative as he presented it. But give him credit, he
stood for his view to the end and was willing to think independently. The
world needs a lot more of that.

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[CTRL] (Fwd) Plan to give broad emergency powers to state governors

2002-01-12 Thread Molli Wolf

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January 8, 2002


 Governor's 'Emergency'
Power
   to Control Your
Lives


 The CDC is urging state legislatures to adopt
a Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (EHPA). It is an
unprecedented
 assault on the constitutional rights of the
American people, as well as on our fundamental principles
of limited government
 and separation of powers. Watch out! EHPA is
coming to your state!

 FLASHBACK TO CLINTON HEALTH-CARE
 The proposed EHPA would bring about government
takeover of the health industry by the states instead of by
the federal
 government. Note that EHPA's principal author
is Lawrence Gostin, a former member of Clinton's
discredited Task Force on
 Health Care Reform.

 EHPA would give each governor sole discretion
to grant himself far-reaching powers. The state legislature
relinquishes its
 power to stop overreaching by the governor
until at least 60 days after his actions. The bill wouldn't
allow the governor to be
 reversed just because his actions are
unwarranted, oppressive, or overreacting to the threat.
EHPA also suggests requiring a
 vote of the legislature declaring that the risk has disappeared before 
the governor co
uld be restrained, something many
 legislators would be reluctant to declare.

 EMPOWERING GOVERNORS DURING 'EMERGENCIES'
 Here are some of the extraordinary powers EHPA would give to each 
governor:

   1.Control, restrict or prohibit firearms,
   2.Seize private property, including food, fuel, and clothing,
   3.Impose price controls and rationing
   4.Order people out of their homes into dangerous quarantines where 
there would be no
 guarantee of safety from violence
  or contagious disease.
   5.Take children from their parents and throw them into public 
quarantines managed by
 government officials, and
   6.Demand that physicians administer certain drugs despite individuals' 
objections an
d with no provision for religious
  exemptions.

 Government authorities would have full access, without meaningful 
limitation, to every
one's medical records. If the alleged
 emergency turned out to be grossly exaggerated or even a hoax, government 
need not ret
urn the private records. EHPA
 would grant these powers to governors without any showing of a real 
emergency, and mer
ely an isolated case of a serious
 disease, or even a misdiagnosis, could trigger the governor's seizure of 
power. Withou
t any checks or balances, the governor
 would become both doctor and policeman.

 COMING TO YOUR STATE!
 The CDC and HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson have called for immediate 
passage of this bil
l, and Nevada already held a
 hearing. As a result of Eagle Forum's criticism, a revised draft of this 
bill was issu
ed on December 21, which eliminates
 some of the worst provisions.

 However, the original bill reveals the totalitarian mindset of those 
promoting the bil
l. No public health emergency justifies such
 draconian infringements on our liberties.

  ACTION ITEM
 Urge your legislature to reject the Emergency Health 
Powers Act.


CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD (202) 224-3121

  E-mail addresses



 Read the revised EHPA at: 
http://www.publichealthlaw.net/MSEHPA/MSEHPA2.pdf

 For more information, go to: 
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[CTRL] Master Stroke

2002-01-12 Thread Joshua Tinnin

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I own one of these New Beetle TDIs - her name is Bonanza Jellybean. She's
quite nice to me, and she goes faster than this article would suggest. The
engine is surprisingly quiet, and she doesn't smell like the old diesels
did. In fact, the NB TDI is the highest rated car in mileage in the US today
(~40 mpg city/~50 mpg hwy), with the exception of hybrids. Not bad ...

Yes, I know she's a consumer thing, but, if you have to have an oil-eating
beast, which I do in order to make a living, then you might as well do it
right.

And just a bit over ONE TANK of diesel can get you from San Francisco to LA
and back ... about $25.

- jt


from - http://www.weeklywire.com/ww/12-07-99/nash_ol-driving.html

Master Stroke

Diesel power clears the air over efficiency and mileage
By Marc Stengel

DECEMBER 7, 1999:  Since I'm going to mount a soapbox anyway, I might as
well select one that catches the eye as playfully as the New Beetle from
Volkswagen. Regular readers of this space will recall how easily--and
willingly--I was seduced by this retro-cartoon of a car when I reviewed it
for the first time in March '98. For model-year 2000, there are few reasons
to alter my generally glowing opinion of this safe, spacious subcompact with
an uncommon sense of humor.

 Perhaps the most important change is the car's increased availability, now
that production is up and me-first consumer frenzy is down. I'm still a
little grumpy about the contortionist requirements for reaching the
backseats. And (this may be a first), I think headroom up front is
excessive--for this 5-ft.-sixer, at least. Sometimes I feel like I'm riding
along at the bottom of a pudding bowl, and the external wing mirrors
floating along at forehead level both reinforce the effect and obscure my
clear view of the apex of an approaching corner.

But I remain a fan of the New Beetle; would recommend it to anyone
considering an affordable subcompact; and applaud VW's deft touch in
transforming a counterculture icon of the hippie-dippie '60s into a
granola-chic symbol of the millennial '90s. And anyway, I don't have time to
wax rhapsodic any further about the New Beetle. I've got a soapbox to climb,
and I need this car to give me a leg up.

I'm going to tell you a secret, and I know you're not going to believe me,
so I'm going to carry on about the matter at some length: The solution to
our present concerns about tailpipe emissions and fuel economy is already
with us. That's right; we can drastically cut both pollutants and fuel
consumption right now without incurring any new price but a reduced one at
the pump. Diesel is the secret, even though too many folks reflexively and
unwisely react as if it were a dirty, little one. A diesel motor like the
1.9-liter, direct-injection, turbo-charged gem available in the New Beetle
(and in VW Golf and Jetta models as well) is 40 percent more efficient at
making power than a comparably sized gas model. Moreover, it not only meets
the most stringent emissions standards in the U.S. and Europe, it also
releases 20 percent less greenhouse-warming carbon dioxide.

Oh...it's fun to drive too. The syncopated rhythm of driving a five-speed
manual mated to VW's TDI will amuse and perhaps startle anyone accustomed
exclusively to the more feverish temperament of our ubiquitous gas motors.
All-out sporty types, of course, are already howling in protest, I know. I
concede tire-scorching burnouts to them--without regret. For those of us
just looking to get around inexpensively, dependably, cleanly, I can only
say, Shame on you if you don't give diesel a try.

For me, the intellectual argument is the most compelling. It derives from
the unique physics of diesel combustion. Unlike gasoline, a spark plug is
not required to ignite diesel fuel. Instead, it is the massive and abrupt
compression of pure, clean air that superheats the combustion chamber to
about 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. At this point, a precise quantity of diesel
fuel is injected as exceedingly fine mist directly into that hot air, where
the mixture ignites spontaneously, thrusting the piston down its power
stroke.

Here is where the inherent genius of Rudolf Diesel's 1892 invention lies:
Because of the need to compress air so dramatically, there is a significant
difference between the capacity of an engine cylinder when its piston is at
the bottom of the stroke compared to the capacity at the top of the stroke.
This is the all-important compression ratio; and in VW's TDI diesel, for
example, the ratio is 19.5-to-1. By comparison, a New Beetle with VW's
2.0-liter gas engine employs a 10-to-1 compression ratio. Even upon cursory
examination, it's obvious that a diesel motor performs more work with each
explosion of fuel in its combustion chamber--in other words, the higher
the compression ratio, the longer the power stroke of the piston. And it is
this power stroke, after all, that turns the crankshaft that drives the
wheels that shove the car along.

Collateral 

[CTRL] Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!!

2002-01-12 Thread William Shannon
http://www.rense.com/general19/israelkills.htm



Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, 
Steals Organs For Transplants
Teheran Times.com
1-9-2

AL-KHALIL (IRNA) - The Zionist state has tacitly admitted that doctors at the Israeli forensic institute at Abu Kabir had extracted the vital organs of three Palestinian teenage children killed by the Israeli Army nearly ten days ago.   

Zionist Minister of Health Nessim Dahhan said in response to a question by Arab member of the Zionist Parliament 'Knesset', Ahmed Teibi, on Tuesday that he couldn't deny that organs of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli forces were taken out for transplants or scientific research.   

"I couldn't say for sure that something like that (taking out the organs) didn't happen."   
Teibi said he had received credible evidence proving that Israeli doctors at the forensic institute extracted such vital organs as the heart, kidneys, and liver from the bodies of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli Army in Gaza and the West Bank.   
The Israeli authorities normally detain the bodies of martyred Palestinians for a few days without any explanation.   

The Israeli Army on December 30 killed three Palestinian boys, aged 14-15 near Khan Younis in unclear circumstances.   

The army issued conflicting reports on the killing, while Palestinian sources charged that Israeli troops murdered the three unarmed boys in cold blood.   

The bodies of the three boys were handed over to the Palestinians for burial on 6 January.   

However, shortly before burial, Palestinian medical authorities examined the bodies and found out that the main vital organs were missing from the bodies.   

The Israeli media have nearly completely ignored the affair.   (IRNA)   




Re: [CTRL] Afghanistan: Experts Ponder U.S. Treatment Of Prisoners

2002-01-12 Thread RevCOAL

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From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is fascinating.  I heard Rummy this morning on BBC say these people
were
not prisoners of war.  He said they were unlawful combatants.  He said
they
did not have the protection of the Geneva Convention.  I don't know whether
their being kept in what amounts to kennel runs have anything to do with
this, but I'm really interested in his terminology.

If anyone in the U.S. kept dogs in such conditions, they'd legitimately be
charged with keeping animals in an inhumane and unsanitary manner...

I wonder what happens to the 'unlawful combatants' when a hurricane hits
the island...


Does anyone out there
know where the term unlawful combatant comes from, and what is the
definition?  Prudy

Good question; I'd like to know the answer to that one, too...


June

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Re: [CTRL] Cuba Sees First Afghan Prisoners

2002-01-12 Thread RevCOAL

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From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
some of these guys will just disappear to get more effective
manchurian training - no-one would know - the camp
sounds like Jonestown.
we'll maybe see some of these dudes later after they have
been put through more intensive training ..

Or are they really being kept at Guantanamo at all?  I wouldn't be
surprised if all this see these 'unlawful combatants' being transferred to
Cuba in leg chains and being placed into kennels wasn't really all just so
much smoke-and-mirrors, and that they are really then being immediately
shipped out to another unannounced location


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[CTRL] IP: Pres. Bush to Head-Up National ID System

2002-01-12 Thread Jei

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Pres. Bush to Head-Up National ID System

As previously reported here, Congress has recently directed the US
Department of Transportation to establish model guidelines for encoded data
on driver's licenses issued by states as part of the 2002 transportation
funding legislation.

The Congressional directive also instructs federal agencies to work together
towards development and installation of fingerprint or retinal scanners at
airports which will read and verify data stored on the license documents.

The directive constitutes formal establishment of a national ID system under
the leadership of President George W. Bush as chief executive of his
administration.

According to the Congressional report the system will be used for national
security and to prevent fraud. It will also be used to stop underage
drinking.

The newly established Department of Transportation safety agency will manage
a federal database linking state driver information.

The 1993 Driver's Privacy Protection Act (DPPA), codified at Title 18,
Section 2721, will serve as the authority for this program. The Act
~requires~ states to release personal information from  motor vehicle
records for purposes of national defense (security) and matters involving
national or regional emergencies; all under direction of the President.

The DPPA also authorizes the Secretary of Transportation to collect and
collate transportation related information whenever the Secretary decides
such collection will contribute to the improvement of the transportation
system of the United States.

The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) has already
drafted a national ID standard. One of the required features of the AAMVA
standard is digitally encoded inclusion of Social Security Numbers -- even
though it is often claimed by proponents that SSNs would not be included.

The AAMVA national ID standard also incorporates fingerprint and digital
photo criteria.

AAMVA's standards director, Nathan Root, was recently quoted -- in an effort
to counter opposition to their national ID scheme -- saying, they're giving
these systems too much credit in even assuming that somebody would be able
and interested to track everybody's whereabouts and
doings.

If you believe Nathan Root, you deserve a national ID.

---

CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.R. 2299, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND
RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2002 (H.R. 2299)
ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/cp107/hr308.txt
Conference Report (H. Rept. 107-308)

Model guidelines for encoded data on driver's licenses.--
In light of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, it is clear that all
levels of government need to work in concert to deter and prevent future
attacks. One means of doing so is to ensure that individuals asked to
identify themselves are not using false identities. The increasing
availability through the internet of expertly crafted false identification
makes the task very difficult. The conferees are aware of technology,
existing today, that can quickly scan any encoded data on the reverse of a
driver's license to validate the license as legitimately issued. By
reviewing personal data encoded on the license, it can also be used to
assist in making a quick determination that the person displaying the
license is the person to whom it was issued. The conferees strongly
encourage the department to consider the development of model guidelines
specifying the types of encoded data that should be placed on driver's
licenses for security purposes, and to work in concert with states and
related licensing bodies toward the early implementation of such measures.
This could benefit the nation's efforts to improve security as well as
assist in reducing fraud and underage drinking.

Document and biometric scanning technologies.--
Document and biometric scanners linked to federal databases by computers and
containing advanced authentication capabilities would facilitate the
processing of background checks, provide fingerprint and additional
biometric identification capabilities, and authenticate documents presented
for identification. It is the conferees' understanding that such off the
shelf, commercially available technology is in use or being tested by the
Immigration and Naturalization Service. The conferees encourage FAA to
assess such document and biometric scanning technologies for use at all
commercial service airports. The conferees also recommend that the Secretary
implement standards to make use of technologies that quickly and
inexpensively assess the daily fitness-for- duty of airport security
screeners with respect to impairment due to illegal drugs, sleep
deprivation, legal medications, and alcohol.

Fingerprint identification technologies.--
The conferees are aware of the promise of forensic-quality fingerprint and
palmprint identification technologies for the rapid verification of
identities and employee background checks. The Aviation and Transportation
Security Act 

Re: [CTRL] northern ireland explodes - again

2002-01-12 Thread Saba

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Well Andrew Ireland did not join this EU
...

As the IRA says - keep your guns within 4 feet of your liquor
cabinetgood idea.

And one under the pillow, and in the mattress and in the closet and barn
and cellar and as George Bush said Keep Your Power Dry.

You Andrew still have your music and you should write some good old
fashioned War Songs.

You still playing your music these days?

OSaba

Hey Sarah Ferguson had office in Twin Towers - she is hawking for
Charity and you know they take their cut at the top?

One show they had a lot of makeup on her, and the cameras used all the
stuff but on CNN my god she looked like a sculery maid with dishpan
hands, dry skin and wrinkles galoreshe does not have the English
Irish Scotch Skin - she has skin of peasant working as field hand.

You could tell she did not like what she saw on camera - was in this
audience participation show and this commentator said my you are just
as pretty in person as you are on tv and it was a dig.

Be good..

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Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Thoughts On Bill Cooper

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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--- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I have not seen anything that proves Cooper was wrong
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Re: [CTRL] a pro-Gritz, anti-Cooper list

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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--- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, the majority of those who abuse alcohol or any
 other
 substance long-term DO eventually develop paranoid thinking in
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you would be paranoid too if police came to create a disturbance a
couple of hundred yards away from your house at midnight...

to be perfectly accurte: in such a case, you are being targeted for
provocation



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Re: [CTRL] Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!!

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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--- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A

HREF=http://www.rense.com/general19/israelkills.htm;http://www.rense.com/general19/israelkills.htm/A



 Israel Kills Palestinian Boys,
 Steals Organs For Transplants
 Teheran Times.com
 1-9-2

 AL-KHALIL (IRNA) - The Zionist state has tacitly admitted that
 doctors at the
 Israeli forensic institute at Abu Kabir had extracted the vital
 organs of
 three Palestinian teenage children killed by the Israeli Army
 nearly ten days
 ago.

On April 14, 1998, 47 year old Alisdair Sinclair, was stopped by
customs officials at Ben Gurion Airport on his way out of the
country after a six day stay. They found 9000 Deutsche marks in a
false bottom of his handbag and he was arrested without charge. The
police thought the false bottom suggested something illegal though
hiding a large amount of money is a legitimate means of thwarting
theft.

At the airport police station, Sinclair was found strangling on
his shoelaces. He was rushed to hospital and pronounced dead. From
there his body was transferred to the Abu Kabir Institute For
Forensic Medicine and straight into the paws of Dr. Yehuda Hiss,
who conducted an autopsy which concluded that Sinclair had killed
himself.

After that, there was a problem with the body. Sinclair was
unmarried, his parents weren't alive and he had been living a
rather rootless life in Amsterdam dealing in vintage guitars and
strumming them at local pubs. It took three days to track down his
family in Scotland and the police offered to bury him in Israel.
The family refused and paid about $5000 to fly the corpse home.

On May 13, another autopsy was conducted, at the University of
Glasgow and guess what? The hyoid bone at the base of the tongue
was missing and so was the heart. Both were removed by Dr. Hiss.
But why? No problem guessing why the hyoid bone was gone. It would
reveal that Sinclair did not hang himself but was strangled by
other means.

But the heart..? Avi Leitner can only say, Our best guess is
that Hiss is involved the black market trade in human organs. We
can't prove that yet, but it seems the most likely motive for
removing a healthy heart.

Incredibly, a most unlikely source provides an even spookier
motive. But let's get on with the story first.

The Sinclair family started investigating Alisdair's recent
life and none of his friends thought him remotely suicidal. Nor did
they understand why he was arrested for carrying perfectly legal
currency in the first place.

Israel police explained that they suspected he was a drug
dealer and under interrogation he admitted to have smuggled in
thousands of Ecstasy pills the week before, though he did not know
who bought them. Alisdair's brother James, of Selkirk, Scotland
mocked the police version, noting accurately, that since he wasn't
caught with drugs, he had no reason whatsoever to confess to the
supposed crime.

Enter the British government. Tel Aviv embassy official Suad
Andraus was furious, stating, People don't just die in lockup.
The British authorities demand that Dr. Hiss explain what he did
with the heart and then return it immediately.

Hiss explained that as a drug smuggling suspect, the heart
would have shown signs of longterm drug abuse. Fine, so why
didn't he return the heart with the rest of the body? According to
Hiss: It's true we didn't inform the family in Scotland that the
heart was missing. Frankly, we didn't want to upset them.

How thoughtful, and returning the body without the heart wasn't
in the least bit upsetting Hiss complied to the second demand
and turned over the heart to the Sinclair family, or at least a
heart. A not very convincing heart, at that. The Sinclair Family
demanded DNA proof that this was Alistair's heart but Dr. Hiss
refused, citing the $6000 cost of the test. The Sinclairs found the
cost prohibitive as well but this time, the British authorities did
not press the issue or conduct their own tests.

A frustrated James Sinclair expressed his disgust with the
inconsistencies of his brother's strange demise.

Alisdair never had a police record and it is unlikely that he
would turn to drug smuggling. And he repeats,Why would he admit to
anything if his bloody suitcase was empty? My brother was an
intelligent, well read man. He wasn't daft.

Currently, the Israeli Police are conducting DNA tests and
James is awaiting the results, clearly unaware that if Dr. Yehuda
Coverup Hiss has his hands in the testing, the findings will be
as honest as those of the Rabin assassination.

more at:
http://watch.pair.com/ritual.html

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[CTRL] last year: ISI plot to trigger anti-India riots foiled

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/170601/detfro03.asp

ISI plot to trigger
anti-India riots foiled
Saurabh Shukla
Kathmandu, June 16

THANKS TO a tip-off received by the Nepalese authorities on
Tuesday, anti-India riots planned by Pakistan's Inter-Services
Intelligence (ISI) were averted in the nick of time.

The government conducted a major crackdown and arrested a former
Nepal minister, along with some of his associates. The ex-minister
is a key ISI operative.

In the aftermath of the palace massacre, the ISI's opening gambit
was a massive disinformation campaign. Pakistani newspapers like
News and Jang carried articles alleging an Indian role in the
Palace massacre. According to sources, the ISI got them photocopied
and widely circulated in the city. As if on cue, similar articles
began appearing in some Nepalese newspapers as well.

A mere coincidence? Not at all, claim sources, and point to a
recent meeting between Major Majid, the ISI's field coordinator in
Kathmandu, and three editors of Nepalese vernacular papers.

The disinformation campaign was expected to provide a launching pad
for anti-India riots, timed to take place when the inquiry
commission made its report public. But the former minister’s arrest
forced the plan to be put on hold.

Sources say the ISI could now strike after the Maoists release
their own probe report on the killings sometime later next week.

Indeed, Nepal continues to be a hub for the ISI's anti-India
activities. For instance, the man who hired two hitmen to kill
Tehelka editor Tarun Tejpal is Jain aka Jainuddin, an assistant
working in Pakistan's embassy here.

In fact, a number of fresh ISI recruits have recently arrived in
Nepal from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Some of them have taken
shelter in a Kashmiri mosque close to the royal palace, say
sources.




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Re: [CTRL] Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!!

2002-01-12 Thread Saba

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We are beginning to see who the real terrorists are and the real
butchers, right?

No wonder Jack the Ripper was alleged to be a Jewish Slaughterman?

But then go through all these books on jewish ritual murder and then
decide for yourself who lies, and who tells the truth.

If this story is true - I hope these Palestinains get them all.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Thoughts On Bill Cooper

2002-01-12 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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 --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  I have not seen anything that proves Cooper was wrong
  (excepting his JFK-Greer scenario);

 let's hear it


That was a bit misspoken on my part. What I should have said is it doesn't
matter what the Zapruder film proves because there is no proof the
Zapruder film is genuine or fake in the first place, last place, or any
place in between.

As I have said many times on this list: Proof one way or another, truth,
evidence, etc., are matters of faith as much as any other religion, as are
all scientific disciplines. Faith is something the human mind falls back
on when it is tired of thinking. If I were interested in taking such things
on faith, I would merely repeat what Cronkite, Rather and the rest have
said: Oswald acted alone, end of story.

Whether it is the JFK murder, UFOs or anything else, only first-hand
experience has any credence, and even then is subject to the perceptions of
the experiencer. First-hand experience makes it a good guess; second or
third-hand it is merely a bad guess, or speculation.

One of Dr. Phil MacGraw's Life Rules, which he probably stole from Dr. Wayne
Dyer, goes: There is no reality, only perception.

Wisely, this list is labeled conspiracy theory and not conspiracy proof,
truth or fact. In all conspiracies, the researchers have a stake in NOT
solving the mystery; once solved, the game is over.

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Re: [CTRL] a pro-Gritz, anti-Cooper list

2002-01-12 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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 --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 However, the majority of those who abuse alcohol or any
  other
  substance long-term DO eventually develop paranoid thinking in
  the extreme.

 you would be paranoid too if police came to create a disturbance a
 couple of hundred yards away from your house at midnight...


If I were depending on police, fire and military protection from foreign
invasion without paying taxes you are correct, I would be very paranoid. Tax
resisters should be required to waive the right to public services thoses
taxes help finance. Fire? Sorry, you don't pay taxes, start carrying buckets
from the creek. Burglars? It says here you don't pay taxes, handle it
yourself.

That is not to say all taxes are used wisely, but there are two sides to
every issue.

Paranoia does not depend on anything anyone else does to exist; if they
were nonexistent, they would be created in the mind of the paranoid.

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[CTRL] fwd: KEN LAY CALLED ALAN GREENSPAN TOO!

2002-01-12 Thread Samantha L.

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Subj:KEN LAY CALLED ALAN GREENSPAN TOO!
Date:   1/11/02 4:58:38 PM Central Standard Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BuzzFlash.com)


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/enron/1207877

Jan. 11, 2002, 11:51AM

Enron's Lay called Greenspan in October
Reuters News Service

WASHINGTON - Enron Corp.'s Chairman Kenneth Lay telephoned Federal Reserve
Chairman Alan Greenspan on Oct. 26, a Fed spokesman confirmed today.

The spokesman would not say what was discussed during the conversation but he
did say that Greenspan did not follow up the call with any action.

He did nothing in response to the call. It would have been inappropriate,
the spokesman said.

The White House has said Lay called U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and
Commerce Secretary Don Evans in the autumn. The White House said the two
officials opted to do nothing about their calls.

The Justice Department Wednesday announced it had opened a criminal
investigation into the energy trading company, whose December bankruptcy
threw thousands out of work, devastated investors and wiped out the pension
plans of many employees when its stock price plunged.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/enron/1207877




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Re: [CTRL] George H.W. Bush Witness to JFK Assasination?

2002-01-12 Thread Samantha L.

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Right, Steve, I thought that at first too.  I thought I'd come across a
smoking gun.  Oh well.  I wonder if Dad Bush has ever publicly acknowledged
that he gave info on the 22nd?  No way he can wiggle out of that one.

Samantha

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 This is a different memo from the famous CIA memo. The dates are different.
  This is the other memo, on the 29th of November vs. the 22nd.

  http://www.bobharris.com/cooldocs/bushmemo.htm

   I will try to order the other one and post it.


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[CTRL] fwd: (Good Enron stuff) Democrats.com Daily News for January 12, 2002

2002-01-12 Thread Samantha L.

-Caveat Lector-

Subj:Democrats.com Daily News for January 12, 2002
Date:   1/12/02 11:10:55 AM Central Standard Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

___DEMOCRATS.COMThe Aggressive Progressives__

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___.COMPOSITION__In This Issue___

Bob Fertik Debates Enrongate on BBC Newsnight

We Demand a Special Prosecutor for Enrongate!

Only Hours After His Campaign Contributions Were Exposed, Ashcroft Recuses
Himself from the Enron Investigation

Democrats.com Exclusive: Deputy AG Larry Thompson Had Financial Ties to Enron

As a Special Prosecutor, Larry Thompson Let James Watt Off With Barely a Slap
on the Wrist

Surprise! Larry Thompson is a Right Wing Ideologue and Member of the
Treasonous Federalist Society

Larry Thompson Invented the 'Nutty  Slutty' Attack on Anita Hill

The Coverup Begins: Arthur Andersen Scrubs Enron Files

Arthur Andersen Hires Clarence Thomas' Patron In Futile Effort To Protect Its
Image

Enron Exposes Utter Corruption of Texas Oil 'Bidness'

Check Out This List of Bush Appointees Who Owned Enron Stock

'Afghanistan, The Taliban, And The Bush Oil Team' by Wayne Madsen

Bush Negotiated with the Taliban: Interview with Guillaume Dasquié

Review of the Explosive New Book that Alleges the September 11th Attacks Came
After the U.S. Threatened the Taliban with War

Letters by Democrats.com Members Appear in the Nation's Newspapers in Support
of Daschle's Economic Plan





__Bob Fertik Debates Enrongate on BBC Newsnight

Democrats.com co-founder Bob Fertik debated Enrongate on the BBC's popular
Newsnight TV show. Bob debated  Christopher Horner, a former lobbyist for
Enron, a leading opponent of the Kyoto Treaty on global warming, and a flack
at the right-wing Competitive Enterprise Institute. Bob highlighted the
intimate connections between Enron and Bush, and called for a Special
Prosecutor. Horner blamed - guess who - BILL CLINTON!! Hey Christopher,
Enron's collapse happened while BU$H was President, not CLINTON!!! The show
will be available until Saturday 5:30 pm EST. Click on the Latest Programme
button on the right hand side of the page linked below. Real Player is
required. To view the Enron report and debate, move the slider about a
quarter of the way, or 15 minutes in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsnight


__We Demand a Special Prosecutor for Enrongate!

The collapse of Enron was the largest bankruptcy in American history.
Thousands of Americans - including many Enron employees - were financially
devastated. But Enron's executives got rich. A shareholder lawsuit alleges
that the 29 executives and directors dumped $1.1 billion worth of stock while
knowing the company was in danger of collapse. Enron's collapse is the
subject of a criminal investigation by the Justice Department of the Bush
Administration. However, the Bush administration and Enron are so closely
connected as to be virtually indistinguishable. We demand a Special
Prosecutor for Enrongate - sign the petition!
http://207.228.234.134/elandslide/index.cfm?campaign=enron


__Only Hours After His Campaign Contributions Were Exposed, Ashcroft Recuses
Himself from the Enron Investigation

The U.S. Justice Department, which is investigating Enron Corp., said on
Thursday that Attorney General John Ashcroft has removed himself from the
case after receiving campaign contributions from the fallen energy giant.
Enron and its employees contributed $57,499 to campaign committees for
Ashcroft, previously a Republican senator from Missouri, in 1999-2000,
according to Holly Bailey, researcher for the Center for Responsive Politics.
This included a $25,000 donation from Enron chief Kenneth Lay, she said. Most
of the rest of the money came from the corporation, although there were small
amounts from other employees. Ashcroft took the action the same day U.S. Rep.
Henry Waxman, a Democrat from California, sent him a letter saying Enron had
been one of Ashcroft's largest contributors. Sorry Ashcroft, this just isn't
good enough - we DEMAND a Special Prosecutor!
http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/020110/n10237933_1.html


__Democrats.com Exclusive: Deputy AG Larry Thompson Had Financial Ties to
Enron

One day after John Ashcroft recused himself from the Enrongate criminal
investigation and handed it to Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson,
Democrats.com has learned that Thompson himself had financial ties to Enron.
Thompson was a partner at  the law firm of King  Spalding from 1986 until
his appointment as Deputy AG in 2001. King  Spalding has represented
numerous subsidiaries of Enron, including Enron Global LNG, Enron Global
Markets, and Enron Energy Services, according to Democrats.com co-founder
Bob Fertik. As a former law partner, Larry Thompson profited 

[CTRL] (Fwd) [PNEWS] CAPITALISM: Enron Judge's MAJOR COnflicts of In

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

-Caveat Lector-

--- Forwarded message follows ---

From: Robert Lederman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Brenda Pitts Bennett

1)  Judge Lee Rosenthal (again, the judge hearing the case filed
against Enron by angry shareholders and employees) says she has the
right to freeze the fudns of Enron executives, to keep them from
hiding their ill-gotten gains, but needs further evidence first.

2)  Judge Lee Rosenthal has herself held Enron stock until as late as
the year 2000.  Clearly, her ruling will impact her own financial
future if she has to freeze her own funds!

Here's the new part, that Elter44 found:

3)  Judge Lee Rosenthal was appointed to the bench by GWBush!!  AND

4)  Judge Lee Rosenthal, until her appointment to the bench by
GWBush,
practiced in a law firm, Baker  Botts.  The Baker in Baker  Botts
is none other than James Baker!  That's right, the same James Baker
whose financial records may be frozen, the same James Baker who may
receive a subpoena for records on Friday from Congress for his role in
Enron.  The same James Baker who was on the Enron payroll and who used
his political clout for Enron's benefit.  The same James Baker who was
hired by Enron at the end of Bush Sr.'s administration. The same James
Baker that masterminded GWBush's post-election vote-count operations
in Florida. The same James Baker whose wife, Susan, has been on the
board of bush-supporter James Dobson's Focus on the Family.

Now, doesn't it appear that Judge Lee Rosenthal has just a few
catastrophic conflicts of interest going on here?  Not only is her own
financial future dependent on one of the important rulings facing her
court (whether to freeze the funds of Enron stockholders who sold
large blocks during the time period that Enron was fraudulently
inflating its worth), but her rulings will have a major impact on the
powerful man (GWBush) who appointed her to the bench AND the powerful
man (James Baker) who was a partner in the law firm where she
practiced law before she was appointed to the bench.

Is this how the Enron court cases are going to go?  Are the
financially ruined Enron employees and stockholders going to be
further assaulted again by Bush/Enron-toadying judges? 


http://www.newsday.com/business/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-enron0109jan09
.story

Judge: Enron Funds Could Be Frozen By KRISTEN HAYS Associated Press
Writer

January 9, 2002, 6:25 PM EST

HOUSTON -- A federal judge says she has the authority to freeze
proceeds of more than $1 billion allegedly gained by top Enron Corp.
officials who sold millions of shares before the energy giant
collapsed.

But U.S. District Judge Lee Rosenthal in Houston also said in a ruling
issued Wednesday that lawyers for Amalgamated Bank and other
plaintiffs need to present a stronger argument to convince her to
freeze those proceeds (end of quote)

==
http://www5.law.com/lawcom/displayid.cfm?statename=TXdocnum=103868ta
ble=ne wsflag=full

Federal Judges' Financial Revelations

By Mary Alice Robbins Texas Lawyer


The federal judge hearing the suit brought by angry shareholders of
Enron Corp. against top executives and directors of the former energy
giant previously owned stock in the corporation, according to her 2000
financial disclosure report.



PRESS RELEASE (for release Tuesday, May 29, 200…
(http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:JkE1HLr7CecC:www.ca3.uscourts.go
v/classcounsel/press052901.pdf+Lee+Rosenthal+appointed+judge+by+Presid
enthl=en)

(quote:) ...Judge Lee Hyman Rosenthal Lee H. Rosenthal is a United
States District Judge for the Southern District of Texas. Judge
Rosenthal received her undergraduate degree from the University of
Chicago (1974) and her J.D. from the University of Chicago Law School
(1977). After law school she clerked for the Honorable John R. Brown,
Chief Judge, U.S. Court of Appeals, Fifth Circuit. Judge Rosenthal
practiced in Houston with Baker  Botts until her appointment to the
federal bench by President Bush. She is a member of the federal
Advisory Committee on Civil Rules and serves as chair of its Class
Actions Subcommittee. Judge Rosenthal is also a member of the Board of
Directors for the Manual For Complex Litigation.

===
http://www.sddt.com/features/convention/bios/jab.html

(begin quote) ... James A. Baker, III has served in senior government
... a senior partner in the law firm of Baker  Botts, senior
counselor to The Carlyle Group, and ...

== Sharing by:  Brenda Pitts Bennett Texas
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[CTRL] (Fwd) [PNEWS] ZIONISM: (views) -*ZIONISM AND ISRAEL*-

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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--- Forwarded message follows ---

From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

By Professor Robert Rockaway
Zionism is a movement of the Jewish people whose goal was to
rebuild a home for the Jews in the Land of Israel.


I know this is a forum for monologues and not dialogues but I
couldn't
let that go by as I consider myself to be a Zionist though not a Jew.
In every major city of North America you will find non-Jewish
Zionists. Many have churches as you can find a Protestant Zionist
Church among the church listings in the Vancouver telephone
directory.
There are also Mormon Zionists. There are Rastafarian Zionists and so
on. Jews are against the teachings of Jesus Christ who said I came
only to find the lost sheep of Israel. What part of only do I not
understand? How then can Christians support Jewish Zionism?  If you
express this in terms of, Who are the latter-day descendents of the
Ancient Israelites? you get to the heart of the matter. And that is a
matter for careful reasoning; as the De Sola Poole Traditional Jewish
Prayer Book says, Judaism has never asked for an unreasoning faith.

FWP

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another's humanity, is the index of one's own humanity.
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[CTRL] Seed of Fire

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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From
http://www.rense.com/general19/pol.htm

}}}Begin
Netanyahu Secretly Visits Arch
Spy Jonathan Pollard In Prison
Breaking News From Dandelion Books



DandelionBooks.com



1-10-2

Author Gordon Thomas - whose new book, Seeds of Fire: China and the
Story Behind the Attack on America, skyrocketed to 49 in amazon.com
sales rank listings in two days, has just learned that Jonathan
Pollard - the spy convicted of espionage against the United States 17
years ago - was secretly visited in his U.S. Federal Prison on
Monday, January 7 by former Israeli Prime Minister, Benyamin
Natanyahu.

Pollard - who is a central figure in Thomas, Seeds of Fire - was convicted of 
espionage against the United States.

But I am told on the highest authority in Israel that Natanyahu's visit is the first 
step in persuading the Bush administration to set him free so he can go to Israel, the 
country for whom he spied, said Thomas.

The author is renowned for his contacts in Mossad, the Israeli secret service. His 
book was the preview bestseller to Seeds of Fire. Titled Gideon's Spies, it took 
Thomas two years to research and write. Mossad directors
and other key officers granted him exclusive interviews.

In Seeds of Fire, he details how one of those officers, former Operations Chief Rafi 
Eitan, ranks Pollard as the most effective spy Israel has ever had. Eitan told the 
author in a taped interview that he would only wish
to have Pollard free again before I die.

His targets were the innermost intelligence secrets of the U.S. He stole more than 
the Russians ever did, said Thomas.

Esther Pollard, the spy;s wife, said, This was a very personal meeting between Bibi 
and Jonathan. I cannot tell you what Bibi said. But it was an excellent meeting. A 
very long meeting, and it left Jonathan filled with h
ope.

The ex-Israeli prime minister traveled to Pollard's prison in North Carolina and spent 
hours with the spy alone, said Thomas.

Mrs. Pollard added that her husband has been kept in solitary confinement during his 
life sentence.

She said that previously Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu had tried to secure 
Pollard's release as part of a package deal with former President Bill Clinton at the 
Wye talks - but failed.

But CIA chief George Tenet has let it be known that if Pollard is freed it could be a 
resignation matter for him, said Thomas.

Tenet regards Pollard as a man who nearly wrecked the CIA intelligence gathering 
operations throughout the globe, said Thomas. He believes that if Pollard is sent 
back to Israel he could have something useful to do for
 Mossad, he added.

Seeds of Fire describes Pollard's never before revealed role in the theft of the most 
important software in the U.S. intelligence arsenal.

Seeds of Fire is backed by over 100 pages of never before published documents that not 
only show how the theft was carried out - but also how it eventually led to China 
having a copy of it.

Seeds of Fire shows how China used it to prepare itself to become a new Superpower.

Quoting from a CIA Briefing paper - prepared by incumbent CIA director George Tenet 
for President Bush - Thomas reveals the agency- s fear about a coming conflict with 
China.

Hours after Gordon Thomas had revealed exclusive details in Seeds of Fire about the 
full intent of China's threat, it was confirmed today by the CIA - and followed up by 
ABC News and the Associated Press. Said Dandelion P
resident Carol Adler: Not for the first time, Gordon Thomas has set the news agenda 
with is revelations. There are many more in Seeds of Fire which we believe will find 
their way into the mainstream news media in the com
ing days. But remember: you read it here first.

Seeds of Fire: China and the Story Behind the Attack on America (ISBN 1893302547) is 
available at bookstores and at www.dandelionbooks.com

BACKGROUND TO THE POLLARD SPY CASE IN 'SEEDS OF FIRE'

Seeds of Fire: China and the Story Behind the Attack on America reveals why Pollard 
was sentenced to die in prison after he had been found guilty of being the greatest 
traitor in the history of the United States.

Seeds of Fire shows how, compared to Pollard, the damage done to U.S. security by 
others spying against the U.S. pales into significance.

Pollard was a civilian senior analyst in the most secret Field Operational 
Intelligence office in Suitland, Maryland. The post required top security clearance 
because Pollard had access to highly classified files in the e
ntire U.S. intelligence community.

Seeds of Fire documents how a powerful lobby WITHIN the United States has lobbied to 
have Pollard freed. It names the lobbyists. They are headed by Harvard Law School 
Professor, Alan M. Dershowitz, once Pollard's attorney
.

Seeds of Fire quotes the attorney thus: There is nothing in Pollard's conviction to 
suggest that he had compromised the nation's intelligence-gathering capabilities or 
betrayed worldwide intelligence data.

Backed by such powerful 

Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Thoughts On Bill Cooper

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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  -Original Message-
  From: eric stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:17 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Thoughts On Bill Cooper
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   I have not seen anything that proves Cooper was wrong
   (excepting his JFK-Greer scenario);
 
  let's hear it
 

 That was a bit misspoken on my part. What I should have said is
 it doesn't
 matter what the Zapruder film proves because there is no
 proof the
 Zapruder film is genuine or fake in the first place, last
 place, or any
 place in between.


the question over whether or not the bright shiny 'thing' people
have reported seeing is a gun or the sun (holy FLIR deja vu) is one
thing but consider this:

a) the driver, after kennedy has been shot once, never slows down,
never speeds up, doesn't veer, indeed, greer never shows the
slightest sign that he is at all perturbed...

b) the SS agent in the PASSENGER seat also never shows any sign of
perturbation

c) the SS agent in the passenger seat, in fact, turns to look at
kennedy and CALMLY leans toward the driver saying something

d) it is within 3 seconds of this exchange that the driver leans to
his left and, according to recent rebuttals, the man's bald head
reflects the sun at the same INSTANT that a mysterious cloud of gas
appears behind greer's head and at the same INSTANT that kennedy's
head flied back

e) jackie never considered leaving the car before this occurred and
at this very INSTANT she scrambles madly to get OUT OF THE CAR

f) secret service agents that had been apparently tailing the car
on foot did not find the fact that kennedy had been shot the first
time to be a sign that they should approach the car and protect the
preident but the INSTANT that jackie scrambles off the back of the
limo, an SS agent is seen approaching the rear of the car and
pointing sharply toward the seat jackie HAD been sitting
in...jackie instantly cowers and gets back in the car...

all this due to a glint of sunlight?

sure...next thing you're gonna tell me is that when a man is shot
from behind his head flies BACKWARD...



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Re: [CTRL] a pro-Gritz, anti-Cooper list

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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  Subject: Re: [CTRL] a pro-Gritz, anti-Cooper list
 
  --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  However, the majority of those who abuse alcohol or any
   other
   substance long-term DO eventually develop paranoid thinking
 in
   the extreme.
 
  you would be paranoid too if police came to create a
 disturbance a
  couple of hundred yards away from your house at midnight...
 

 If I were depending on police, fire and military protection from
 foreign
 invasion without paying taxes you are correct, I would be very
 paranoid.

how did cooper depend of police, fire and military protection

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[CTRL] GNN Wire

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart


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[CTRL] Explaining Yiddish Supremacy

2002-01-12 Thread William Shannon
http://www.nilemedia.com/Columnists/Ahmed/2002/January/Explaining.html



January 08, 2002

Explaining Yiddish Supremacy

By Ahmed Amr.
Editor 
    
Dear NileMedia Reader: We have been getting quite a bit of mail regarding our constant references to 'Yiddish supremacists'. It is a term we coined at NileMedia to more accurately and easily identify a powerful American political movement that aligns its political agenda with Israeli governments. Being a 'Yiddish Supremacist' requires a certain state of mind. While most Yiddish Supremacists are Jewish, not all Jews are Yiddish Supremacist. For decades, Palestinians and their supporters have labored to distinguish between Zionist racists and individuals who simply happen to worship God in a manner consistent with the Jewish creed. 

I also refer to Yiddish Supremacist because they immediately recognize who they are. If I was more accurate and identified them as Ashkenazi Supremacists, the average reader would miss the point. The group I mean to identify are the Eastern European Jews from the Pale, who ended up being the elite in Israel and in the American Jewish community. Both groups exhibit strong racist tendencies, especially in regards to Arabs. I don't like to refer to them as Zionists, because that movement has been politically sanitized by a powerful media campaign led by the militant Yiddish supremacists at The New York Times. 

I personally have nothing against how any single individual chooses to worship or not worship a higher deity. The intent of my writing is not to convert anybody. Rather, I want to clarify a few things for the type of losers who worship Ariel Sharon. Their advocacy of repression does not go unnoticed. The historical descendants of the ancient people of the Holy Land, including the Hebrew tribes, are Palestinians who now practice the Christian and Muslim faith. The Yiddish are Eastern European Slavs delusional enough to attribute their lineage to the Eastern Mediterranean. A little DNA testing would clear up their minds and make them reconsider their 'Supremacy' as a 'chosen' people. Once they get over their bizarre mythologies, they will discover that they are just another northern European Slavic Klan who happen to follow one school of Palestinian religious traditions, a pre-Christian tribal faith that had a creator quite different from the Universal God. The universal message preached by a Palestinian named Jesus Christ clashed with earlier Abrahamic Palestinian religious traditions. And the rest of the story is Western history. In any case, I personally wouldn't care if Ariel Sharon and his thugs were followers of the Druid tradition. Many of Israel's founders were confirmed atheists who thought that Orthodox Jews were anti-modern embarrassments to the revolutionary Zionist movement and its race based elitist theories. 

It would be easy enough to revert to the standard accepted description of these folks as Zionist racists. But an old Baptist friend of mine convinced me that this particular label required an explanation of what a 'Zionist' was. You were than obliged to explain Herzel and Ben Gurion and Balfour and their criminal agenda to exile the native people of the Holy Land to make room for an Israeli State as 'Jewish as England is English'. This wise Baptist buddy also pointed out that the word 'Zion' has a sweet sound to the ear of many decent God fearing Christians. He reminded me that on any Sunday, thousands of Southerners, black and white, worshiped in congregations with lofty names like 'The First Zion Church of Tallahassee,' And they could well be singing a lovely melody about wishing they were 'down by the River Jordan, in old Zion,' You tell folks like that you are anti-Zionist and they think you are some kind of devil worshiper. 

But just mention the 'chutzpah of the Yiddish supremacists' and their domination of the American mass media to any matron in Des Moines, Iowa. You get an immediate recognition that does not require any additional words of explanation. No doubt, many folks who are both 'Yiddish' in origin and 'Euro-centric Supremacists' in their world outlook deeply take offense to being called Yiddish Supremacists. I can only respond that I take even greater offense that they have freely elected to be Yiddish Supremacists. There is, after all, a cure for these intellectually warped delusional social misfits. But it is a cure that involves self-examination and self-healing. 

It should come as no comfort to these bigots that I have no problem hurting their feelings. They have shown little regard for the welfare of others outside their mystical political tribe. Why would I want a Yiddish Supremacist to be comfortable practicing a political creed that has led to unfathomable suffering to the ancient people of the Holy Land? Perhaps, to a certain degree, the Palestinians are at fault for exporting the work of their ancient sages while it was still in its most primitive 'tribal' stages. 

Re: [CTRL] Explaining Yiddish Supremacy

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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On 12 Jan 02, at 14:47, William Shannon wrote:

 Once they get over their bizarre mythologies, they will
 discover that they are just another northern European Slavic Klan

A question arises:  Is there any connexion between the Russian
Revolutions and and rise of Zionism?  If so, do the people behind
them originate from the same general locale?

AER

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[CTRL] Rush and his Conceit of Deceit

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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Main Entry: 1con.ceit
Pronunciation: kn-'sEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from conceiven
Date: 14th century
1 a (1) : a result of mental activity : THOUGHT (2) : individual
opinion b : favorable opinion; especially : excessive appreciation of
one's own worth or virtue
2 : a fancy article
3 a : a fanciful idea b : an elaborate or strained metaphor c : use
or presence of such conceits in poetry d : an organizing theme or
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From
http://communities.msn.com/RushversusReality/rvrdec18.msnw
http://communities.msn.com/RushversusReality/rvrdec6.msnw

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December 18, 2001

RUSH: When a dismayed caller accused George W. Bush of caving in to
Democrats by offering to compromise on key parts of his economic
stimulus bill and by signing a massive federal education funding bill
into law, Rush felt his pain.

I’m as frustrated as you are, which is why I am continuing to urge
the President, with as tiny a voice as I’ve got. It’s all I can do is
yell here, behind this little microphone, to get him to do this
speech on the stimulus plan. Now, I’ll tell you what: this education
bill? Not even Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords went along with it! Mr.
Compromise himself—Ha- haaa!—wouldn’t even go for this bill! This
bill is nothing but a bunch of gobbledy—we talked about it earlier:
this is the bill that seeks to level out academic performance between
the haves and the have-nots. It’s a beautiful thing. [Listen to Rush
/ Documents / Dec 18 Jeffords Education Bill Vote]

REALITY: There can be no doubt that Rush’s aversion to the recently
enacted education bill (The Elementary and Secondary Education Act of
2001 – H.R.1) lies squarely in his well-known, deep-seated, ingrained
opposition to any federal government role in the funding for or the
overseeing of public education. That is evident in his categorization
of the bill as nothing but a bunch of gobbledy-(gook) and his
derisive, mocking tone when saying, the bill seeks to level out
academic performance…It’s a beautiful thing.

However, by asserting that this legislation didn’t even get the
support of Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords, Rush implied that even the
despised Jeffords, the Vermont Senator who handed control of the US
Senate over to the Democrats, couldn’t stomach the bill’s wasteful,
misguided spending. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Senator Jim Jeffords didn’t vote against this bill because he agreed
with Rush that too much money was being spent on education. The
Senator opposed this bill because, in his opinion, there was not
enough education spending in H.R. 1. When Rush criticized federal
education spending while simultaneously citing (but not explaining)
Jim Jefford’s opposition, he wanted people to believe that Jeffords
did so for reasons similar to his. In other words, Rush committed a
lie of omission.

From Senator Jim Jeffords’ December 18, 2001 press release explaining
his vote on H.R. 1: With the projection of budget surpluses for as
far as the eye could see, it appeared that we would not only set in
motion innovative reforms, but we would also match those reforms with
new monetary investments….the scenario has dramatically changed.

We are not only facing a very different economic reality, but we also
have an administration in place that does not support the funding
needed to successfully carry out its own education reform
initiative….However, at current funding levels and even with over a
billion dollar increase for Title One in the coming year, we will
still only be funding less than half of the children who qualify for
the Title One program.

Earlier this year, during Senate consideration of the ESEA bill, this
body unanimously passed the Harkin-Hagel amendment that required
Congress to fully fund IDEA through progressive annual increases. I
am extremely disappointed that the final product we are considering
today does not include this critical amendment. Without inclusion of
the Harkin-Hagel amendment and without sufficient funding for the
programs outlined in this bill, I am afraid that this bill may
actually do more harm than good.
http://www.senate.gov/~jeffords/1218education.html

Rush Limbaugh: deceit of knowledge.

December 13, 2001


RUSH: The Bush administration’s decision to abandon the 1972 Anti-
Ballistic Missile Treaty brought warnings from critics that this
unilateral action could trigger a new arms race, possibly including
one with China. Rush was livid. After all, who was really to blame if
a US-China arms race developed?

Doesn’t that just frost ya? When you stop to think about that, when
you stop to think about it, because of the Clinton administration,
the Chinese are twenty-five years ahead of—when Bill Clinton took
office—let me just put this in perspective for ya: and that’s the
only reason we fear an arms race with the Chinese is because of
Clinton. When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, the Chinese could not
successfully orbit a 

[CTRL] The Battle for Your Mind

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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http://serendipity.magnet.ch/sutphen/brainwsh.html

The Battle for Your Mind
by Dick Sutphen

Persuasion and Brainwashing Techniques
Being Used On The Public Today

Summary Of Contents
 Introduction
 The Birth of Conversion: Brainwashing in Christian Revivalism in
1735.
 The Three Brain Phases: The Pavlovian Explanation
 How Revivalist Preachers Work
 The Voice Roll Technique
 The Build-up Process.: Inducing Altered States
 Assured Continuation: Fleecing the Flock
 Bonding by Fear and Suggestion
 Testimony: Creating Community Spirit
 Miracles
 The Grey Area of Legitimacy
 A Game in Which the Rules Keep Changing
 Six Conversion Techniques
 Isolation Intimidation, Deprivation and Indoctrination.
 The Sell It By Zealot Technique.
 Wearing Down Resistance
 Increasing Tension
 Introducing Uncertainty About Identity
 Jargon
 Lack of Humor: No Release, No Resistance
 Not Always a Bad Thing
 Cults: A Captive Course in Stockholm Syndrome
 The Only Hope of Immunity
 The US Marines as a Brainwashing Cult
 Steps in the Decognition Process
 Alertness reduction
 Programmed Confusion
 Thought Stopping
 Thought Stopping Techniques.
 Marching
 Meditation
 Chanting
 True believers and mass movements.
 Persuasion techniques:
 Yes Set
 Embedded Commands
 The Power of NLP
 Interspersal Technique
 Practical Examples
 Shock and Confusion
 Subliminal Programming
 Does Subliminal Programming Work?
 Mass Misuse of Subliminal Programming
 Vibrato
 Extra-low Frequency Vibrations (ELFs)
 The Neurophone
 Technological Tools for Mass Manipulation
 In Closing...


Introduction
I'm Dick Sutphen and this tape is a studio-recorded, expanded
version of a talk I delivered at the World Congress of Professional
Hypnotists Convention in Las Vegas, Nevada. Although the tape
carries a copyright to protect it from unlawful duplication for
sale by other companies, in this case, I invite individuals to make
copies and give them to friends or anyone in a position to
communicate this information.

Although I've been interviewed about the subject on many local and
regional radio and TV talk shows, large-scale mass communication
appears to be blocked, since it could result in suspicion or
investigation of the very media presenting it or the sponsors that
support the media. Some government agencies do not want this
information generally known. Nor do the Born-Again Christian
movement, cults, and many human-potential trainings.

Everything I will relate only exposes the surface of the problem. I
don't know how the misuse of these techniques can be stopped. I
don't think it is possible to legislate against that which often
cannot be detected; and if those who legislate are using these
techniques, there is little hope of affecting laws to govern usage.
I do know that the first step to initiate change is to generate
interest. In this case, that will probably only result from an
underground effort.

In talking about this subject, I am talking about my own business.
I know it, and I know how effective it can be. I produce hypnosis
and subliminal tapes and, in some of my seminars, I use conversion
tactics to assist participants to become independent and
self-sufficient. But, anytime I use these techniques, I point out
that I am using them, and those attending have a choice to
participate or not. They also know what the desired result of
participation will be.

So, to begin, I want to state the most basic of all facts about
brainwashing: In the entire history of man, no one has ever been
brainwashed and realized, or believed, that he had been
brainwashed. Those who have been brainwashed will usually
passionately defend their manipulators, claiming they have simply
been shown the light ...or have been transformed in miraculous
ways.




The Birth of Conversion:
Brainwashing in Christian Revivalism in 1735.
Conversion is a nice word for brainwashing...and any study of
brainwashing has to begin with a study of Christian revivalism in
eighteenth century America. Apparently, Jonathan Edwards
accidentally discovered the techniques during a religious crusade
in 1735 in Northampton, Massachusetts. By inducing guilt and acute
apprehension and by increasing the tension, the sinners attending
his revival meetings would break down and completely submit.
Technically, what Edwards was doing was creating conditions that
wipe the brain slate clean so that the mind accepts new
programming. The problem was that the new input was negative. He
would tell them, You're a sinner! You're destined for hell!

As a result, one person committed suicide and another attempted
suicide. And the neighbors of the suicidal converts related that
they, too, were affected so deeply that, although they had found
eternal salvation, they were obsessed with a diabolical
temptation to end their own lives.

Once a preacher, cult leader, manipulator or authority figure
creates the brain phase to wipe the brain-slate clean, his subjects
are wide open. New input, in the form of suggestion, 

[CTRL] snips from an intriguing site

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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Ahmad Shah Masood, the legendary Afghan commander assassinated two
days before the September 11 attacks, has become the capital's most
familiar icon since his Northern Alliance troops marched into the
city from his redoubt in the Panjsher valley on November 13.
http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=11362

The defence ministry in Afghanistan says it will maintain about
1,500 troops in Kabul, despite an agreement with the international
peace-keeeping force to remove all soldiers from the city.
http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=11369

A British man is one of 20 suspected al Qaeda and Taliban captives
being held at a U.S. military base in Cuba, the Foreign Office has
said.
http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=11368

US forces in Kyrgyzstan are establishing a strong military presence
which could afford significant strategic leverage in Central Asia.
This is needed for Washington to achieve two political goals:
loosening Russia's grip on the region and keeping a close eye on
the sleeping giant of Asia, China.
http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=11365

The agreement between Bishkek and Washington to set up an American
military base in Kyrgyzstan has alarmed ethnic Russians who have
lived here for several generations. Some are even leaving country
as a result.
http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=11364

Human Rights Watch questioned Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld´s statement today that captured fighters from Afghanistan
shipped to Cuba were “unlawful combatants” not entitled to
protection under the Geneva Conventions. Human Rights Watch also
criticized the reported use of chain-link cages to confine the
detainees.
http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=11363




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Re: [CTRL] Feds definitely lying re Tampa skyjack-MacDill AFB

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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--- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 Although Air Force interceptors DID reach the general vicinity of
 Saturday's Tampa plane theft and crash WITHIN MOMENTS of being
 scrambled by Homestead AFB near Miami, they allegedly reached the
 scene
 after the stolen Cessna piloted by 15-year-old Charles bishop had
 crashed into the Tampa B of A building. This was because Bishop
 was in
 the air for little more than ten minutes before he reached Tampa
 and crashed.


initial reports were very specific [reports from the tampa tribune]
that he was tailed by aircraft for some time and an attempt was
made to 'talk' him into landing...

what do you do with a person whose story about how your wallet ends
up slimmer all the time changes constantly...you slug him in the
freakin jaw!


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Re: [CTRL] Tampa skyjacker family stunned; say alleged action TOTALLY out of chara...

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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 The Bigger Picture

 1.9.02
 Tampa skyjacker family stunned; say alleged action TOTALLY out of
 character


 That's because young Charles Bishop was either a victimized,
 intel-military mind-control subject/agent -- OR was murdered
 right
 before or right after takeoff, with the plane then flown
 remotely. OR
 probably BOTH.

 One of these scenarios is certainly how things were set up on
 September
 11 also.

 Charles Bishop was definitely NOT some freaky misfit here. This
 fifteen-year-old HAD taken two years of flight training, which is
 a WAY
 bigger accomplishment than many his age could boast of.

someone in a management position at the flight school he took off
from said that the boy had a total of six hours of flight time but
made a valid point...flying an airplane is not rocket science...


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Re: [CTRL] northern ireland explodes - again

2002-01-12 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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 You Andrew still have your music and you should write some good old
 fashioned War Songs.

scottish and irish culture is full of old fashioned war songs -
thats why anyone who sings them doesn't work

 You still playing your music these days?

my new album at www.refreshrecordings.co.uk/jacouse
or www.mp3.com/jacouse
its full of traditional folk [non warsongs] and therfore more likely
to put some bread and water on the table :)

I did do some stuff musically that a spook said was 'dangerous'
thats that farewell to dawn album i sent you -
the MI5 department responsible for destroying scottish culture
was dug up over 20 years ago by one james macdonald reid who
found relevant documents under the freedom of info act in the library of
congress ...
I was advised to give up my music by MI5 or some bunch of spooks who used a
combination of introductions to SAS officers, mickey finns and high class
parties to squeeze me out !!
I was told to leave my band in 1990 or 'my friends would be killed'
this by someone called JJM who said that because I played scottish music I
was creating aggressive dysfunction.
He was trained at a strange Gurjieff school in north of england, and claimed
that I was number 6 [a refernce to 'the prisoner'] and that he could
introduce me to number 1 -
alas for me - because I was so afraid of what might happen to my friends, I
left my band - and in the subsequent years, each band member went on to earn
more than 70,000 dollars each.

You DO get targetted if you are a folk musician - there is No Doubt - and
once you have seen special branch playing the bodhran at a session and
threatening everyone - you will see just what has become of a 'good night
out'
special branch asked me if  I was 'a bonny prince charlie folk hero'
they have also grabbed the top of my violin bow with a greasy hand and spent
much time messing up my music projects.

this adapted song from DIRE STRAIGHTS
the mans too big ... the mans too strong ...

I'm just an ageing special branch,
and in the bars I used to play
and I called the tunes in many a tortured session.

now they say I am subliminal, and I'm fading away
barman please hear my confession ..

I have legalised robbery, called it belief,
run with the money, hid like a thief
rewritten history with armies full of crooks
invented memories and did burn all the books

and I can still hear their laughter, can still hear their song,
the beers to big, the beers too strong ..

welcome to bonny skotland mein herr ...

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[CTRL] Israeli tanks bulldoze Rafah airport

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Israeli tanks bulldoze Rafah airport: witnesses

 GAZA CITY, Jan 11 AFP|Published: Friday January 11, 12:03 PM

Twelve Israeli tanks and bulldozers rolled into the Palestinian
Authority's airport by the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah and started
tearing up the runway early today, security sources and witnesses said.

The offensive into self-rule Palestinian land followed Israel's razing
of dozens of Palestinian homes pre-dawn yesterday in Rafah.

The destruction of homes came less than 24 hours after the killing of
four Israeli soldiers by two gunmen from the radical group Hamas at an
isolated army post on the Israeli border near Rafah.

 --

Hundreds made homeless while we discussed war crimes

GUSH SHALOM - pob 3322, Tel-Aviv 61033 - http://www.gush-shalom.org/

Destroying the houses of innocent civilians is a war crime Shulamit Aloni was
quoted to have said today during her visit to Arafat in his besieged Ramalla
residence. Confronted with that statement on the Israeli Channel-Two five o'clock
news Aloni explained: I have said it also yesterday in Tzavta: the time has come
to prepare charge sheets.

Last night we held in Tel-Aviv's Tzavta Hall a well-attended panel discussion on
the war crimes being perpetrated in the Occupied Territories. On the morning of
the same day, our appeal on a related issue was heard by the Supreme Court in
Jerusalem. Just as we were about to compose a report on these events we got
the information about the destruction of dozens of Palestinian homes at Rafah
by Israeli troops - leaving hundreds of people, exposed to a cold and rainy winter
night, powerless against the bulldozers. The number of destroyed homes varies
in different reports from 45 in some, to 73 in others. In any case, the earlier terse
communique by the IDF spokesman, speaking of a number of structures
demolished out of tactical considerations and published as fact by the Israeli
media, was grossly and deliberately misleading.

The destruction was clearly intended as retaliation for the guerrilla raid in
which four Israeli soldiers were killed a day earlier at the Gaza Strip border;
a retaliation directed entirely against a civilian population which had nothing
to do with the attack, and as such a violation of International Law,
specifically of the Fourth Geneva Convention - and as such a war crime.

This act would be horrific enough in itself. It is all the more so, being but
part of of a long-term policy implemented at the long-suffering town of Rafah,
which is divided in three: one part under the self-governing Palestinian
Authority, another part under Egyptian rule, and bisecting them in between, a
long and narrow Israeli-held miltary zone, designed to prevent contact between
these two sundred parts and - in general - prevent Palestinians from having
free acess to the outside world. This unnatural situation led to an
endless series of confrontations and incidents over the past year and half.
In response, the Israeli Army formulated a simple and brutal strategy: to
extend and widen the buffer zone under its control by destroying Palestinian
dwellings and creating a sterile zone in their place.

The policy was stated quite openly by reserve General Yom-Tov Samia,
former commander of IDF's Southern Command, in a live interview to
Israeli radio on June 9, 2001:
THE IDF MUST RAZE ALL THE HOUSES within a strip of 300-400 metres in width
No matter what the future (final) agreement would be, this will be our border
with Egypt (!)... Arafat must be punished; after each incident, another two or
three rows of houses must be razed... This is precisely what the army has
been doing, steadily and systematically, ever since. As several of the speakers
at our panel discussion remarked, war crime (as, in fact, ordinary crime) is
aggravated by being part of a deliberate and systematic policy.

A few hours before the latest wave of destruction was unleashed at Rafah, Dr.
Eyal Gross of the Tel-Aviv University Faculty of Law advanced at the Tzavta
Hall the opinion that ordering a soldier to drive a bulldozer to destroy a
civilian dwelling constitutes a manifestly illegal order: Under both
International Law and the Israeli Military Code, a soldier has not only the
right but also the duty to refuse such an order. Should he be court-martialed
for that refusal, he can in all consicience claim to be law-abiding, while it
was his commanding officer who was guilty of law-breaking.

Shulamit Aloni - former Education Minister, and grand old lady of the Israeli
peace and human rights movement - was even more forthright: The time has come
for us to prepare the charge sheets of Israel's war criminals, since nobody
else does it.. This she said from the podium at 

[CTRL] Calm Violence

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

-Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.fair.org/activism/npr-israel-quiet.html

}}}Begin
Fairness  Accuracy In Reporting   112 W. 27th Street  New York, NY
10001

ACTION ALERT:
For NPR, Violence Is Calm if It’s Violence Against Palestinians

January 10, 2002

Before the January 9 gun battle on the Gaza Strip, National Public
Radio (NPR) had for weeks been telling its listeners that
Israel/Palestine was in a period of “relative quiet.”

“Morning Edition” anchor Bob Edwards on January 3 stated that U.S.
envoy Anthony Zinni was coming to the region during “a time of
comparative quiet.” In another report the same day, correspondent
Linda Gradstein referred to “the relative calm of the past few
weeks.” Other NPR reports have mentioned the “recent calm” (1/5/02)
or the “fragile period of quiet” (1/7/02).

What NPR means by this was spelled out most explicitly by Linda
Gradstein in a January 4 report on the envoy’s mission. You know,
there's been actually three weeks of relative quiet,” she said. “Only
one Israeli has been killed in those three weeks, as opposed to 44
Israelis who were killed when Zinni was here last time in November
and early December.

What Gradstein didn’t mention-- and what someone who relied on NPR for their Middle 
Eastern news would have little idea of -- was that this has been in no way a period of 
calm for Palestinians. In fact, in the three-week
period that Gradstein referred to, at least 26 Palestinians were killed by occupation 
forces-- more than one a day.

Media critic Ali Abunimah documented the killings in a letter of protest to NPR 
(1/8/02), starting with 13-year-old Rami Khamis Al-Zorob, shot in the head on December 
13 while playing near his home in Rafah, Gaza. Most of
 the deaths cited by Abunimah were of unarmed civilians; six were minors, ranging in 
age from 12 to 17.

But none of these deaths received much attention from NPR, leaving the impression that 
calm for Israelis was calm for Palestinians as well. One of the few times that the 
Palestinian toll was even vaguely referred to was i
n this December 24 exchange between All Things Considered anchor Robert Siegel and 
correspondent Peter Kenyon:

SIEGEL: “There was a resumption of violence today, I gather, a shooting of a Jewish 
settler.”

KENYON: “That's right, the first such shooting of a Jewish settler after a week of 
comparative quiet. There have been some deaths on the Palestinian side in the past 
week. But tonight a Jewish settler was shot in the ches
t, seriously wounded by Palestinian gunmen up near Nablus and the West Bank. One of 
the gunmen was also shot, and he was killed.”

Kenyon agrees with Siegel’s claim that December 24 marked a “resumption of violence,” 
even while acknowledging that “there have been some deaths on the Palestinian side.” 
In fact, there had been at least five Palestinians
 killed by Israeli forces in the previous week, including 12-year-old Muhammad 
Huneidek, shot in the chest at a checkpoint near the Neve Dekalim settlement near 
Gaza. Are we to conclude, then, that the killing of Palestin
ians is not violence?

That’s the contention of the Israeli government, and NPR appears to take this position 
seriously. Here’s a January 5 report by Kenyon:

“The raids into the West Bank and Gaza Strip have continued. They were yesterday in 
the West Bank village of Tel up near Nablus. They killed one Palestinian; four 
arrested. The army said they were all Hamas members Bu
t the Israelis don't consider these military raids to be violence. They consider that 
doing what Yasser Arafat should have been doing, by their rights, which is arresting 
these people and rounding them up.”

The unequal treatment of Israeli and Palestinian deaths is a long-standing pattern at 
NPR; a FAIR study of six months of the network’s coverage (Extra!, 11-12/01) found 
that 81 percent of Israeli conflict-related deaths w
ere reported, but only 34 percent of Palestinian deaths. Strikingly, NPR was even less 
likely to report the deaths of Palestinian minors killed; only 20 percent of these 
deaths were reported, as compared to 89 percent of
Israeli minors’ deaths. While NPR was more likely to cover Israeli civilian deaths 
than those of Israeli security personnel (84 percent vs. 69 percent), the reverse was 
true with Palestinians (20 percent vs. 72 percent).


Of course, NPR is not the only outlet that has misreported the Israeli/Palestinian 
conflict by downplaying violence against Palestinians. When a battle in 
Israeli-occupied Gaza recently left four Israeli soldiers and two
Hamas guerrillas dead, the New York Times described the story on its front page 
(1/10/02): “Palestinian gunmen in Gaza put an end to a lull in the violence, ambushing 
and killing four Israeli soldiers before being shot de
ad.” The fact that the story inside acknowledges that “at least 20 Palestinians have 
died violently” in recent weeks only underscores how some violence doesn’t seem to 
register with mainstream U.S. media.

ACTION: 

[CTRL] fwd: BUSH LIED -- AND HERE'S THE PROOF

2002-01-12 Thread Samantha L.

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Subj:BUSH LIED -- AND HERE'S THE PROOF
Date:   1/12/02 2:46:26 PM Central Standard Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BuzzFlash.com)


http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/1Atxenron_12tex.ART0.d1e8.html

Lay gave more to Bush
President had said Enron chief was Richards supporter

01/12/2002

By WAYNE SLATER / The Dallas Morning News

AUSTIN – In distancing himself from Enron, President Bush said that CEO
Kenneth Lay was a supporter of Democrat Ann Richards in his first race for
Texas governor in 1994.

But records and interviews with people involved in the Richards campaign show
that he was a far bigger Bush supporter.

Mr. Lay and his wife gave Mr. Bush three times more money than Ms. Richards
in their gubernatorial contest, according to a computer-assisted review of
campaign finance reports by The Dallas Morning News.

Because of its collapse, Enron's financial ties with candidates have drawn
more scrutiny and increasingly are being viewed as a political liability.
Some officeholders have returned Enron campaign contributions.

Mr. Bush, a Republican, collected $37,500 from the Lays in his successful bid
to unseat the Democratic incumbent, state records show. Ms. Richards received
$12,500. Enron executives and the company's political action committee also
heavily favored Mr. Bush.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Friday that the president
acknowledged that Mr. Lay more recently has been a Bush supporter but did not
err in his comments Thursday.

Ms. Richards' former chief of staff, John Fainter, said Friday that Mr. Lay
and the former Democratic governor had a cordial relationship and she named
him to a state business council. But he said the Enron chief was not a
Richards political supporter.

It is typical for some big-money donors in Texas politics to hedge their bets
by contributing money to both sides in political races.

But interviews with people involved in the 1994 race indicate that Mr. Lay's
initial $25,000 donation to help launch Mr. Bush's gubernatorial
campaign–when he had no primary opposition– was seen in the Richards camp as
early evidence he was against them.

Also, Mr. Lay identified himself in an interview broadcast last summer as a
Bush supporter.

Mr. Lay told PBS' Frontline that he faced a little difficult situation in
choosing sides.

I'd worked very closely with Ann Richards also, the four years she was
governor, Mr. Lay said.

But I was very close to George W. and had a lot of respect for him, had
watched him over the years, particularly with reference to dealing with his
father when his father was in the White House, he said, and some of things
he did to work for his father, and so [I] did support him.

Thursday, amid growing national attention of the Enron bankruptcy, Mr. Bush
was asked by reporters about his relationship with Mr. Lay.

Mr. Bush said he got to know Ken Lay as a member of the Governor's Business
Council, a nonpartisan board appointed by the governor to boost economic
development in Texas.

He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994 and she had named him
the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in
place just for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know
Ken.

President Bush said Mr. Lay later became a supporter of his gubernatorial
re-election in 1998 and the presidential race in 2000.

Ties run deep


A longtime backer of the president's father when he was in the White House,
Mr. Lay was a Bush Pioneer in the 2000 race, an elite tier of campaign
contributors who pledged to raise at least $100,000. He also gave $100,000 to
Mr. Bush's inauguration.
The ties between Mr. Lay and the Bush family are deep.

Besides being one of the first President Bush's major financial backers, Mr.
Lay headed the host committee of the 1992 Republican National Convention in
Houston that nominated the ex-president's re-election effort.

The president has clearly noted that Mr. Lay has been a supporter of his
campaigns, Mr. McClellan said Friday.

He maintained that Mr. Bush was accurate in describing Mr. Lay as a Richards
supporter in 1994. He noted that after giving $25,000 to Mr. Bush early in
the contest, he contributed $12,500 to Ms. Richards in donations reported in
July and October 1994.

Also in October, Mr. Lay's wife, Linda, contributed $12,500 to Mr. Bush.

Mr. Lay was a supporter of Ann Richards during the 1994 race, he said. And
any suggestion to the contrary is revisionist history.

Craig McDonald, director of Texans for Public Justice, a nonprofit group that
tracks campaign contributions, dismissed the White House response.

President Bush's explanation of his relationship to Enron is at best a half
truth, he said. He was in bed with Enron before he ever held a public
office.

Perry to keep donations


Meanwhile, Republican Gov. Rick Perry said Friday that he will not return any
of more than $139,000 in contributions he's received from Enron executives
since 1994.

[CTRL] Immigrants in the Holey land

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

-Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.marxist.com/MiddleEast/russian_jews_in_israel.html

}}}Begin
The condition of Russian Jews in Israel

(by a Russian Jew living in Israel)

To many people outside Israel, Israeli society may look like one
united mass that is working together to survive in the difficult
political reality of the Middle East. This impression, however, has
changed a little after the so-called Middle East peace process
began and after Rabin was assassinated, but some elements of this
myth are still present in European public opinion. In reality Israeli
society is no more united than, for example, American society. In
both cases we are talking about an immigrant society, that is made up
of diverse nationalities and cultures, which are widely different
from each other, the same differences that you find between different
ethnic and religious groups.

In Zionist ideology the image of a full-blooded Israeli is that of a blond and young 
Israeli man born from a family of European origin. The most memorable form of 
discrimination was against Jewish immigrants arriving from
 Asian and North African countries between 1950-1980. These people had limited rights 
in every area of society: in education, in the public services, in the job market and 
even in the army. At the same time Israeli propag
anda described Israel as a Home for all Jewish people!

Only after a long struggle did the Jews from the East get formally the same rights as 
the rest of Israeli society. But even to this day they are the poorest and least 
educated section of the Israeli population (that is, i
f we exclude the Israeli Arabs). For example 80% of the people kept in Israeli 
criminal prisons are from Eastern immigrant families.

The Israel rulers had another chance to demonstrate the racist character of the 
Israeli state at the beginning of the 1990s when a massive Jewish emigration from the 
Soviet Union began. Zionist propaganda presented it as
a great victory of Zionism among the Russian Jews. In reality most of these immigrants 
came to Israel not for ideological reasons, but because their lives had been destroyed 
as the result of the collapse of the Soviet Uni
on. We can say that most of these people were refugees escaping the impending 
restoration of capitalism in the former Soviet republics.

Zionist propaganda in Russia, carried out by the Jewish Agency (Sochnut), presented 
Israel as a rich and democratic western country were everybody could find their place. 
They even talked about the socialist traditions
of Israel! But for the great majority of the 800,000 immigrants that arrived in Israel 
reality was somewhat different. In Israel they found all the elements of a capitalist 
system. Thousands of people to this day still ha
ve no homes and live in old hotels and caravans. They discovered that in the USSR the 
health service and the education system had been much better than in Israel.

Most of the immigrants didn't find a job in Israel and today immigrants from Russia 
represent the biggest section among the unemployed. Even those who found a job didn't 
find one in the profession they had been trained fo
r. Today in Israel we can see a lot of former Soviet engineers, medical workers, even 
scientists, who have ended up working in casual jobs in the factories. Many of these 
even consider themselves lucky in these conditions
, having escaped the capitalist hell in Russia and in the other former Soviet 
republics.

But this is not the only problem that immigrants from Russia (the Russians as they 
are called in Israel) found here. The Israeli establishment was worried that the 
emigration of a big mass of people with a high level of
 education might provoke a serious change in Israeli society. Most immigrants have a 
very negative view of the situation where the religious authorities control every 
aspect of private life and a small Israeli oligarchy (
of a hundred families from north Tel-Aviv) controls every area of the Israeli economy 
and the media.

The capitalists were the first to notice the revolutionary potential of the Russian 
emigration. Their decision was clear, they used the old principle of imperial rulers: 
Divide and rule. The Israel media were the first
to open the attack against immigrants from Russia. Half of them are KGB agents, half 
belong to the Russian Mafia and the rest are prostitutes, It is not the great 
emigration that we were expecting!, All our economic
problems are due to the Russians! was the main line of the Israeli press. To the 
people living in the poorer areas the government said: You complain about 
unemployment? You know that all our financial reserves go to the
 immigrants, they took your jobs!

The result of this campaign was discrimination and isolation of the Russians 
immigrants. Many people became victims of racist attacks. Unfortunately anti-Russian 
feelings were strong among the Jewish families of eastern o
rigin.

However, the Israeli establishment could never have 

[CTRL] tentacles

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

-Caveat Lector-

from the Department of Justice's Ruby Ridge Report:

Randy Weaver first came to the attention of federal law enforcement
personnel in 1985 as a result of alleged threats he made against
President Reagan, Idaho Governor John Evans, and certain law
enforcement officials.[FN5] The U.S. Secret Service investigated
the allegations and interviewed Weaver. During this investigation,
it was learned that Weaver was frequently visited by Frank Kumnick,
who was associated with members of the Aryan Nations, a
white-supremacist group.[FN6] Kumnick was described as the mentor
for Weaver's far right wing beliefs. [FN7] Weaver and Kumnick had
allegedly spoken of burning churches and had made threats against
Catholics and Jews.[FN8] In addition, Weaver had been seen with
Richard Butler, leader of a local Aryan Nations Church.[FN9]
http://www.prostar.com/web/amerika/Ruby005.htm

promis or 'covenant' - BARRY kumnick worked on a prog named
brainstorm that was an AI supplement to promis...was used to
determine behavioral vectors based on individual personality
signatures/traits to determine when an individual (or a whole army)
was planning on 'going off'

--

Now, Barry R. Kumnick is missing. A missing report was filed with
the Los Angeles Police on Sunday. Kumnick had developed software
which would give a quantum leap to the PROMIS software. PROMIS
tracks criminals, military movements or any type of personnel
tracing. Kumnick's development would enhance PROMIS by adding a new
dimension of deductions. The new program would allow the PROMIS
software to interject personality characteristics and deduce the
future or potential action of the person being traced.
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon7.html

kumnick brothers?  not a terribly common name for two to both be so
close to the heart of the octopus - one 'missing' and one
dead...hmmm...

--

Weaver told Brown that he had participated in drug raids with the
CIA and that he had been a member of a special group of Green
Berets. Weaver professed that he became disillusioned with the CIA
when officials kept the drugs for themselves. See Sworn Statement
of Stephen McGavin, November 19, 1993, at 5.
http://www.prostar.com/web/amerika/ruby006.htm

--

Interestingly, this award was given to Fadeley for his assistance
in the investigation of Frank Kumnick, who was associated withy
members of the Aryan Nations and who was associated with members of
the Aryan Nations and who was an associate of Weaver. See
discussion in Section IV (A). Sometime in 1987 or 1988, Kumnick
sold an illegal weapon to Fadeley in his undercover role. At that
time, BATF knew that Kumnick and his associates had discussed
forming a third group of white separatists. In addition, Fadeley
learned that Kumnick had discussed kidnapping and holding for
ransom children attending a private school in Northern Idaho. BATF
requested Howen to informally decline prosecuting Kumnick for the
gun charge because they believed that such a prosecution would
expose Fadeley and that it would be more beneficial to the BATF
investigation if Fadeley remained in his undercover capacity. Howen
agreed and informally declined to prosecute Kumnick.
http://www.hamnet.net/~n4zhg/ruby4o.htm

--

John Doe #7 is the leader of Elohim City Rev. Robert G. Millar an
ADL, FBI, and BATF informant who was instrumental in bringing down
the Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord on April 19, 1985. It is
because of Millar’s status as an informant Elohim City has
developed the reputation as a safe haven for racist criminals in
America.

~snip~

International Zionism is racist claiming its adherents to be a
superior race chosen by God to rule over all other races and
nations in a world totalitarian socialist government. Most Jews do
NOT adhere to that belief. Most American Jews are loyal American
Patriots. Most modern day Zionists are adherents of the British
Israel philosophy, Christian Identity, and Christians, including
Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Robert Schuller, and other misguided
leaders of the Christian religion. For confirmation see Project
Trojan Horse and understand that People like Zionist Lt. Col.
James Bo Gritz are not friends of this American Republic.

http://www.williamcooper.com/plot.htm

--

Howe's reports to her BATF handler indicated that several people
there were becoming more militant in their talk about taking action
against the government, according to Flynn. Furthermore, the
government's own evidence, introduced at the trial indicates that
McVeigh placed a call to Elohim City immediately after calling a
Ryder truck rental agency in Arizona on April 5, 1995, two weeks
before the bombing, Flynn reported.

~snip~

In a July 16 hearing in the Howe case, Brewster claimed that --
before the Oklahoma City bombing -- Howe had warned the ATF that
residents of the far eastern Oklahoma religious compound known as
Elohim City were talking of a cataclysm in the spring of 1995 and
that 

[CTRL] Project: Rescue of the Constitution!

2002-01-12 Thread Jei

-Caveat Lector-

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:32:27 -0500
From: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Rescuing the Constitution By Nat Hentoff

Source:
Jewish World Review
http://www.jewishworldreview.com

Rescuing the Constitution
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/hentoff1.asp

Dec. 17, 2001

Nat Hentoff

AT the start of both the civil rights and anti-Vietnam-war movements,
a majority of Americans did not support either campaign.  But,
through teach-ins and other educational projects -- from newspaper
ads to marches on Washington -- the direction of the nation was
changed.

The odds against similar organized national opposition to the Bush
administration's weakening of the Constitution, particularly the Bill
of Rights, are much longer than they were in the 1960s.  Not only do
polls show overwhelming public support for the diminishing of civil
liberties; but Congress -- except for a few vocal constitutionalists
-- is not going to vigorously exercise its oversight powers over John
Ashcroft and the Justice Department.

As Democrat John Dingell, a longtime, influential member of the
House, told the Dec.  5 New York Times, I hear a lot of members
saying they're concerned, but not many willing to say it publicly.

There is insistent public opposition from civil libertarians, both on
the left and the right; but the attorney general's often unilateral,
scorched-earth approach to the Bill of Rights takes on new dimensions
so frequently that his critics have been able only so far to react.
There hasn't been time to organize pressure nationwide so that
Congress will awaken to the separation of powers that is at the core
of our system of governance.

A new addition to John Ashcroft's war on both terrorism and our
Constitution is his plan -- under the expanded surveillance powers in
the USA Patriot Act -- to reintroduce a current version of COINTELPRO
(Counterintelligence Operation). From 1956 to 1971, the FBI not only
monitored religious and political groups purportedly linked to
Communist operations, but the bureau also infiltrated and disrupted
these organizations.

Among the FBI's targets were anti-war, civil rights and black
nationalist groups, along with various liberal organizations that
opposed certain government foreign policies.  The Communist Party
itself was, of course, included.  But, as a reporter throughout that
period, I can attest that many of the COINTELPRO probes were directed
at entirely lawful groups and individuals without any ties to
Communism.

Finally, in 1975, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Activities (the Church Committee) began to hold hearings and
otherwise investigate COINTELPRO.  The committee concluded that this
FBI operation was a sophisticated and vigilante program aimed
squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of
speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of
dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous ideas would protect
the national security and deter violence.

The Church Committee (named for Idaho Sen.  Frank Church, its
chairman) added: The American people need to be reassured that never
again will an agency of the government be permitted to conduct a
secret war against those citizens it considers threats to the
established order.

But a Dec.  3 Wall Street Journal story headlined Justice Department
Considers Stepping Up Monitoring of Religious, Political Groups
reported that the FBI will, under this proposal, no longer be held to
Justice Department regulations requiring agents to show probable
cause that a crime was afoot before spying on political or religious
organizations. Those regulations were put in place after the Church
Committee exposed the FBI's disgraced COINTELPRO record.

On a Dec.  2 episode of ABC's This Week, Attorney General John
Ashcroft not only did not deny the advent of a new COINTELPRO, but
stoutly maintained that he will pursue whatever has to be done in the
war against terrorism.  He doesn't need congressional approval for
this assault on the First and Fourth Amendments.

During what passed for a congressional debate on Ashcroft's
anti-terrorism bill, the American Civil Liberties Union organized a
Coalition in Defense of Freedom in Time of National Crisis.  Opposing
parts of that bill, which became law, was the largest array of civil
liberties organizations I have ever seen -- from left to right and
center.  Included were: The Center for Constitutional Rights; the
Free Congress Foundation; the American Friends Service Committee; Gun
Owners of America; the NAACP Board of Directors; the Rutherford
Institute; and Amnesty International USA.

If enough of these groups -- and individuals also intent on rescuing
constitutional rights -- can move from reacting to organize a
national coalition, Congress can be moved to act before, as
Republican Congressman Bob Barr says, This massive suspension of
civil liberties ...

[CTRL] Major Electromagnetic Mind Control Projects

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

-Caveat Lector-

Major Electromagnetic Mind Control Projects

Leading Edge International Research Group

http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/projects.html


 Project Moonstruck, 1952, CIA:

Electronic implants in brain and teeth
Targeting: Long range
Implanted during surgery or surreptitiously during abduction
Frequency range: HF - ELF transceiver implants
Purpose: Tracking, mind and behavior control, conditioning, programming,
covert operations
Functional Basis: Electronic Stimulation of the Brain, E.S.B.

 Project MK-ULTRA, 1953, CIA:

Drugs, electronics and electroshock
Targeting: Short range
Frequencies: VHF HF UHF modulated at ELF
Transmission and Reception: Local production
Purpose: Programming behavior, creation of cyborg mentalities
Effects: narcoleptic trance, programming by suggestion
Subprojects: Many.
Pseudonym: Project Artichoke
Functional Basis: Electronic Dissolution of Memory, E.D.O.M.

 Project Orion, 1958, U.S.A.F:

Drugs, hypnosis, and ESB
Targeting: Short range, in person
Frequencies: ELF Modulation
Transmission, and Reception: Radar, microwaves, modulated at ELF
frequencies
Purpose: Top security personnel debreifing, programming, insure security and loyalty
Pseudonym: Dreamland

 MK-DELTA, 1960, CIA:

Fine-tuned electromagnetic subliminal programming
Targeting: Long Range
Frequencies: VHF HF UHF Modulated at ELF
Transmission and Reception: Television antennae, radio antennae, power lines, mattress 
spring coils, modulation on 60 Hz wiring.
Purpose: programming behavior and attitudes in general population
Effects: fatigue, mood swings, behavior dysfunction and social criminality, mood swings
Pseudonym: Deep Sleep, R.H.I.C.

 PHOENIX II, 1983, U.S.A.F, NSA:

Location: Montauk, Long Island
Electronic multi-directional targeting of select population groups
Targeting: Medium range
Frequencies: Radar, microwaves. EHF UHF modulated
Power: Gigawatt through Terawatt
Purpose: Loading of Earth Grids, planetary sonombulescence to stave off geological 
activity, specific-point earthquake creation,
population programming for sensitized individuals
Pseudonym: Rainbow, ZAP

 TRIDENT, 1989, ONR, NSA:

Electronic directed targeting of individuals or populations
Targeting: Large population groups assembled
Display: Black helicopters flying in triad formation of three
Power: 100,000 watts
Frequency: UHF
Purpose: Large group management and behavior control, riot control
Allied Agencies: FEMA
Pseudonym: Black Triad A.E.M.C

 RF MEDIA, 1990, CIA:

Electronic, multi-directional subliminal suggestion and programming
Location: Boulder, Colorado (Location of main cell telephone node, national television 
synchronization node)
Targeting: national population of the United States
Frequencies: ULF VHF HF Phase modulation
Power: Gigawatts
Implementation: Television and radio communications, the videodrome signals
Purpose: Programming and triggering behavioral desire, subversion of psychic abilities 
of population, preparatory processing for
mass electromagnetic control
Pseudonym: Buzz Saw E.E.M.C.

 TOWER, 1990, CIA, NSA:

Electronic cross country subliminal programming and suggestion
Targeting: Mass population, short-range intervals, long-range cumulative
Frequencies: Microwave, EHF SHF
Methodology: Cellular telephone system, ELF modulation
Purpose: Programming through neural resonance and encoded information
Effect: Neural degeneration, DNA resonance modification, psychic suppression
Pseudonym: Wedding Bells

 HAARP, 1995, CIA, NSA, ONR:

Electromagnetic resonant induction and mass population control
Location: Gakona, Alaska
Frequencies: Atmospheric phase-locked resonant UHF VHF
Potential: DNA code alteration in population and mass behavior modification
Power: Giga-watt to Tera-watt range
Step-Down reflective frequencies: Approx 1.1 GHz, Human DNA resonant frequency, 
cellular system phase-lock

 PROJECT CLEAN SWEEP, 1997, 1998, CIA, NSA, ONR:

Electromagnetic resonant induction and mass population control
Location: Nationwide
Frequencies: Emotional wavelengths, data gathering through helocopter
probes following media events - rebroadcast in order to
restimulate population emotional levels for recreation of event scenarios. Ref:
LE#108, March 1998
Potential: Mass behavior modification
Power: Unknown. Possibly rebroadcast through GWEN network or cellular
tower frequencies, coordinated from NBS in Colorado.


In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous 
economy in our
history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being 
transformed before
our very eyes.

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[CTRL] EXPERIMENTS INTO REMOTE MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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Robert O. Becker, M.D., in Crosscurrents: The Perils of Electropollution, says
of GWEN: GWEN is a superb system, in combination with cyclotron
resonance, for producing behavioural alterations in the civilian population.
The average strength of the steady geomagnetic field varies from place to
place across the United States. Therefore, if one wished to resonate a
specific ion in living things in a specific locality, one would require a specific
frequency for that location. The spacing of GWEN transmitters 200 miles
apart across the United States would allow such specific frequencies to be
'tailored' to the geomagnetic-field strength in each GWEN area.


EXPERIMENTS INTO REMOTE MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY
 By Jim Keith


http://members.tripod.com/~mdars/gwen.htm

An excerpt from his book Mind Control - World Control.

Experiments into Remote Mind Control methods has been well researched
since the 50's.

The Soviets reportedly began to delve into the biological effect of
microwaves as early as 1953. A number of laboratories were set up across
the Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe, including one at the Institute of
Hygiene and Occupational Diseases Academy of Medical Sciences.
Although the Soviets reported on their experiments in the open literature, the
parameteres they defined were insufficient for duplicating the experiments,
and some scientists in the United States questioned whether the whole
matter was disinformation. It was not.

Early CIA funding provided the wherewithal for a project launched at
Honeywell, Inc. for a method to penetrate inside a man's mind and control
his brain waves over long distance.

At the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Maitland Baldwin, under CIA
supervision, bombarded the brains of lobotomised monkeys with radio
waves. According to researcher Alex Constantine, His CIA monitors noted
weird excesses: in one experiment, Baldwin decapitated a monkey and
transplanted its head to the body of another, then attempted to restore it to
life with radar saturation.

In 1964, CIA Director Richard Helms sent a memo to the Warren
Commission, mentioning biological radio communication. Helms'
theorising about such methods was truly reminiscent of Orwell's 1984. He
said, Cybernetics [or computer theory] can be used in the moulding of a
child's character, the inculcation of knowledge and techniques, the amassing
of experience, the establishment of social behaviour patternsÖ all functions
which can be summarised as control of the growth processes of the
individual.

In 1977 Dr. Sam Koslov, the scientific assistant to the Secretary of the Navy,
was briefed on a number of current research projects. One of them, in
progress at Stanford Research Institute was named ELF and Mind Control.
ELF is the acronym of extremely low frequency electromagnetic radiation.
Koslov didn't like the sound of that project and ordered it cancelled, but
according to the Washington Post, the funding was merely diverted into a
different project heading and continued to go forward.

The following report, although anonymous, provides a detailed first person
encounter with what may be government electromagnetic testing. It was
published in an underground magazine a few years ago. I do not maintain
that reports such as these are absolute proof of government electromagnetic
testing on citizenry, but well-reasoned accounts such as the following must be
taken into consideration:

The large black top of the Federal Building in San Francisco looks like a
giant air-conditioning vent, 50 feet tall, comprising the entire top of the
building. It is actually a radar, microwave, and radio transparent shield for an
array of communications devices on the roof of the building. Such blinds on
top of government buildings are nothing unusual, it isn't necessary to visually
remind everybody that such buildings also are likenesses of Orwell's Ministry
of Information (read, CIA). And as such are in need of systems of
communications independent of civilian mediums. Which, anyway, would be
purposely interrupted in any serious case of civil unrest.

It is important to note three facts at this point, the purpose of which will come
clear in the end: First, the Federal building is located at the base of a broad
hill. It is on the low rise of this hill where San Francisco's 'Skid Row' district,
the 'Tenderloin,' uneasily rests. And so the Federal Building can be seen
from virtually any place in the Tenderloin. And let us reverse this thought:
virtually any place in the Tenderloin may be seen from the Federal Building.
And it is this unimpeded view whichbrings to mind the second oddly
coinciding factor; that Low Frequency Electromagnetic emissions like
television broadcasts will not pass through earth (hills, or the horizon), nor do
they even pass very well through buildings, and so require a fairly clear shot,
unlike higher frequency emissions like radio. This is why you have to put TV

[CTRL] Russia to increase presence in Central Asia

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart


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[CTRL] enron / ron brown

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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does anyone have any other info on this...like why the association
between ron brown and enron in the first place that they would have
to release this press statement?

http://www.enron.com/corp/pressroom/releases/1996/33plane.html

ENRON CORP. CONFIRMS NO ENRON EXECUTIVES ON BOARD COMMERCE
SECRETARY RON BROWN'S MISSING PLANE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Wednesday, April 3, 1996

HOUSTON -- Enron Corp. today confirmed that no Enron executives
were traveling on U.S. Commerce Secretary Ron Brown's plane, which
has been reported missing in Croatia.

Enron Corp., the world's first natural gas major with approximately
$13 billion in assets, operates one of the largest natural gas
transmission systems in the world; is the largest purchaser and
marketer of natural gas and the largest non-regulated marketer of
electricity in North America; produces and markets natural gas
liquids worldwide; owns 60 percent of Enron Oil  Gas Company, one
of the largest independent (non-integrated) exploration and
production companies in the United States; owns 52 percent of Enron
Global Power  Pipelines L.L.C., which is owner and manager of
operating power plants and natural gas pipelines in emerging
markets; and is one of the largest independent developers and
producers of electricity in the world. Enron Corp. is traded under
the ticker symbol, ENE.


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[CTRL] enron in 1997

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.igc.org/trac/feature/india/profiles/enron/enronwisner.html

The Power Elite: Enron and Frank Wisner

by Vijay Prashad


On 28 October 1997, Enron Corporation announced the entry of Frank
G. Wisner Jr. onto its board of directors. Most of the business
press did not find this untoward and it certainly did not emerge as
part of the US discussions on corruption at the highest level.
Frank Wisner, as we know in India, was the US Ambassador from 1994
until this year and his entry into Enron must be seen in light of
the scandal of Dabhol. Enron, like most US corporations, uses its
close association with the state (both its elected and bureaucratic
arms) for its own ends. US campaigns are financed by corporations
whose money not only enables politicians to win elections, but it
also buys businesses the state's power both for domestic subsidies
and for the use of US power in the international arena.
Frank Wisner, Jr. was a big catch for Enron Corporation. His
lineage is impeccable, since his father, Frank Wisner Sr., was a
senior CIA official (from 1947 until his suicide in 1965) who was
involved in the overthrow of Arbenz of Guatemala (1954) and
Mossadeq of Iran (1953). Wisner Junior was well-known in the CIA
and he worked as Under Secretary of Defense for Policy and Under
Secretary of State for International Security Affairs; his current
boss, Kenneth Lay, Chief Executive Officer of Enron Corporation,
also worked for the Pentagon during the US war in Vietnam. With
economic espionage as a task for the CIA (see PD, 12 October
1997), there is little doubt that Wisner used this instrument
during his long-tenure as Ambassador in Asian nations. A Wisner
staffer told InterPress Services this year that if anybody asked
the CIA to help promote US business in India, it was probably
Frank.

When Wisner was US Ambassador to the Philippines (1991-92), Enron
was in the midst of negotiations to manage the two Subic Bay power
plants. When Wisner left Manila in July 1992, Enron won the deal
and began to manage the plant in January 1993. During Wisner tenure
in India, he fought long and hard to secure various deals for
Enron. He went so far as to boycott the India Power '96 -- Beyond
Dabhol summit, despite being scheduled to give an address (this
was part of a US advisory to companies to avoid India for
six-months, a pressure tactic on India during the winter of
1995-96). Wisner left India earlier this year only after it seemed
like Enron's place was secure.

Enron, like most monopoly corporations in the US, uses money as a
means to buy influence and power. To gain access to a lucrative
contract to rebuild the Shuaiba power plant in Kuwait, Enron hired
former US Secretary of State James Baker as a consultant who
travelled to the oil kingdom to negotiate with his Gulf War allies
for his new employer. The sons of George Bush also helped Enron win
this contract despite a lower bid from Deutsche Babcock, a German
firm. The Bush brothers also helped Enron in their deal to win a
contract to build a pipeline from Chile to Argentina in 1988.
Finally, Wendy Gramm (wife of Senator Phil Gramm) joined Enron's
Board of Directors in 1993 after she resigned from the Commodity
Futures Trading Commission. This Commission, just days after
Gramm's resignation, deregulated energy futures, thereby allowing
Enron to earn 10% of its profits by adventures on the financial
markets. Beside all this evidence, it appears hypocritical for
Rebecca Mark, Chairperson of Enron Development Corporation, to
declare that Enron's reputation is being attacked, and we do not
do business under the table.

The story does not end there. In 1991-92, Enron donated $28,525 to
the Democratic Party and in 1993-94, it gave $42,000. These monies
enabled Enron to send its executives on international tours with
the late Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown in January 1995 (when
Kenneth Lay came to India) and in March-April 1994 (when Chief
Executive Officer of Enron International, Rodney Gray came to
Russia). In the former, Enron was in negotiation for the Dabhol
plant among other things (such as the $1.1 billion offshore
holdings) and in the latter, Enron was interested in the marketing
of Russian gas in Europe. President Clinton noted that Brown's
trips resulted in expanded opportunities for American business in
[the USA] and abroad. The pay to play project of US democracy
is once again in evidence. The example of Enron and Wisner proves
beyond a reasonable doubt that the US state is not a neutral actor
in world affairs and that US transnational corporations are part
and parcel of the corruption within the US Empire. The hearings in
Washington on campaign finance reform do not bother with this
level of corruption, for most of those who are running the
investigation are beholden to business interests. Enron, for
instance, will not be a part of the investigation, since it is
deemed to be a patriotic US entity out to create jobs for US
workers and to 

Re: [CTRL] tentacles

2002-01-12 Thread RoadsEnd

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In a message dated 1/12/02 2:39:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

a man named Albert
Pike from the south, not just any man, but founder of the 33rd
degree,



The Supreme Council of the 33rd degree for the Ancient and Accepted Scottish
Rite of Freemasonry, S. J., USA(Mother Council of the World) was opened
5/31/1801 in Charleston SC. Albert Pike was made a 33rd 4/25/1857. Pike did
later on become the Sovereign Grand Inspector General, S. J. and revised and
published the rituals, but he was in no way the founder of the 33rd degree.

Om
K

Also, he was born in Boston and raised in Newbury, MA.





From Evert A. Duyckinck, Cyclopaedia of American Literature, (New York: C.
Scribner, 1856):

ALBERT PIKE.

Albert Pike was born at Boston on the 29th of December, 1809. When he was
four years old his family removed to Newburyport, where his boyhood was
passed, until his matriculation at Harvard in his sixteenth year. Not having
the requisite means of support he soon left college, and became an assistant
teacher and afterwards principal of the Newburyport Academy. After a few
years passed in teaching in this and other towns, during which he continued
his classical studies in private, he started in the spring of 1831 for the
West. Arriving at St. Louis, having travelled over much of the intervening
distance on foot, he joined a band of forty in an expedition to Santa Fe. He
arrived at that place on the 25th of the following November, and passed about
a year as a clerk in a store, and in travelling about with merchandise in the
country. In September, 1832, he left Taos with a company of trappers, visited
the head-waters of the Red river and the Brazos, and with four others,
separating from the main party, directed his course to Arkansas, and arrived
at Fort Smith in November, well nigh naked and penniless. He passed the
winter in teaching near the fort, and after attempting to establish a school
at a place in the settlements, which was broken up in consequence of his
falling ill of a fever, accepting the invitation of the editor of the
Arkansas Advocate, at Little Rock, who had been greatly pleased by some poet
cal communications he had furnished to the paper, became his partner. In 1834
he succeeded to the entire proprietorship of the journal. In 1836 he sold out
his newspaper property and commenced the practice of the law, having studied
and been admitted to the profession during his editorial career. He also
published at Boston a volume containing an account in prose of his
adventurous journeyings, and a number of poems suggested by the noble scenery
through which he had passed.



He has since published Hymns to the Gods, written in his earlier days of
school-keeping. A number of other poems by him have also appeared in several
periodicals.

Mr. Pike served with distinction as a volunteer in the Mexican war. He
occupies a prominent position as a public man in the Southwest. He published
in 1854, Nugœ, by Albert Pike, printed for private distribution, a collection
of his poems, including the Hymns to the Gods.

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[CTRL] who attacked moheli?

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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Troops claiming to be US soldiers landed on the Comoran isle of
Moheli, seizing control of the security forces on the island, a
former prime minister said by phone.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/011219/1/25by3.html

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1718000/1718769.stm

Wednesday, 19 December, 2001, 16:05 GMT
Comoros attack defeated

The army in the Comoro Islands has restored order after a group of
unidentified gunmen landed on the island of Moheli.
The gunmen seized control of the police station early on Wednesday
morning.

Interior Minister Said Abdallah Cheikh Soilihi told the BBC that
five men he described as white, French-speaking mercenaries were
killed after they attempted to overthrow the government.

The men had reportedly claimed to be from the United States army,
looking for members of Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.

The attack comes ahead of a referendum on Sunday which the BBC's
Southern Africa correspondent, Barnaby Phillips, says is expected
to approve a new constitution, designed to end recent political
instability.

Leaflets

Some of the attackers were arrested, while others managed to
escape.



Two civilians were also killed, reports the French news agency AFP.



A US embassy spokesman in Nairobi has denied that US forces were
involved.


Diplomats said the raiders had been distributing leaflets linking
Comoran military strongman Colonel Azaly Assoumani with al-Qaeda.

'Bizarre'

Comoros, with an overwhelmingly Muslim population, has experienced
more than 20 coups since independence from France in 1975, several
of them involving French mercenaries, such as the notorious Bob
Denard.


On Wednesday, Mr Denard told AFP that he had nothing to do with the
attack, which he described as more bizarre than usual .

For me, the Comoros page has been turned, he said.


One of the archipelago's three islands, Anjouan, declared
independence from the Comoros Federation in 1997.

This triggered a new round of unrest on the islands.

Colonel Assoumani seized power in April 1999 in a coup in the
capital, Moroni.




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[CTRL] more on enron

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.igc.org/trac/feature/india/profiles/enron/index.html

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[CTRL] Ron Brown's V.I.P. Junkets

2002-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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http://www.pacificsites.com/~mec/NEWSL/ISS19/13Brown.html

Ron Brown's V.I.P. Junkets
Flying For D.N.C. Dollars
by Ken Silverstein

The cries of outrage coming from the White House over Republican
threats to eliminate the Commerce Department have as least as much
to do with self-interest as with fealty to the corporate cause.
Through the department's efforts to promote exports, the
Clintonites argue, American businesses landed foreign deals worth
$47 billion last year. But a little cross-referencing of the
companies thus helped and of campaign contribution records and
internal Democratic Party fundraising memorandums shows that for
both corporations and the Administration, to give is truly to
receive.
Early last year, for example, Saudi Arabia was looking to expand
its commercial air fleet and examined proposals from U.S. and
European aircraft makers. After being furiously lobbied by
President Clinton and Secretary Ron Brown, the Saudis placed a $3.6
billion order with Boeing. Within six months of closing the deal,
the company had laden Democratic National Committee (D.N.C.)
coffers with $65,000, four times more than it had donated during
the previous three years.

At about the same time, Administration pressure won Raytheon a $1.4
billion deal with Brazil for building a satellite surveillance
system in the Amazon. In the 1992-94 election cycle, Raytheon
donated $175,110 to Democratic candidates.

Export promotion - precisely what the Republicans have singled out
for cutting - is at the heart of Brown's strategy at Commerce, and
indeed of Clinton's strategy in foreign policy. When it comes to
drumming up commerce for U.S. corporations, this Administration has
outstripped its two wildly pro-business Republican predecessors. In
Brown's War Room, bureaucrats monitor bidding on dozens of global
deals, gathering intelligence (with help from the C.I.A.) and
coordinating financing from government sources to give U.S. firms
an inside track. More directly, Brown leads select groups of
executives on commercial trips abroad. Last year corporations
fought to accompany the Commerce Secretary to Brazil, Argentina,
Chile, China, Hong Kong, South Africa, Russia, India and the Middle
East. Some 300 C.E.O.s applied for seats on the trip to Russia
alone; only twenty-nine were chosen.

Details of those trips have been obscure because Commerce has been
stingy about providing information. That will soon change, since in
mid-May the courts forced Commerce to turn over to Judicial Watch
30,000 pages of documents concerning which companies were picked,
which were left behind and what the basis for the decision was. But
from what I have been able to piece together from Ron Brown's
V.I.P. Junkets

published reports and from various internal documents (including
some now ordered for release), it is already clear that the
relationship of donations to access is like that of spring rain to
garden blooms.

Melissa Moss, head of the Commerce Department's Office of Business
Liason, decides who accompanies Brown. She has said firms are
chosen on merit and real business consideration. But, like her
boss, she is also intimately familiar with party money matters.
Prior to joining the Administration, Moss was a top fundraiser for
the D.N.C. under Brown, and before that, for the Democratic
Leadership Council, which Clinton helped found and once chaired.

The group she assembled for Brown's September 1994 trip to Beijing
is revealing. Embarking three months after Clinton extended
most-favored-nation trade status to China, Brown's entourage
included:

¡ Lodwrick Cook of Atlantic Richfield, which gave $201,500 to the
Democrats between 1992 and 1994. Cook is also close to Clinton, who
last June presented the Arco chief with a birthday cake during a
White House lunch for executives.

¡ Edwin Lupberger of Entergy, who closed an $800 million deal to
build a power plant in China. Lupberger is a personal friend of
Clinton, and in the last election cycle Entergy donated $60,000 to
Democratic candidates.

¡ Bernard Schwartz of the Loral Corporation, who negotiated deals
that will net his telecommunications company $1 billion over the
next decade. Three months before the trip Schwartz donated $100,000
to the D.N.C.

¡ Raymond Smith of Bell Atlantic, which has given nearly $200,000
to the Democrats since 1991. According to Democratic fundraising
memos I obtained, Smith is also a party trustee, meaning he has
personally helped raise $100,000 or more.

¡ Leslie McGraw of Fluor, which came through with $108,450 for
Democratic candidates in the last election. McGraw, like several of
the executives who have been picked to accompany Brown, is also a
donor and board member of the Democratic Leadership Council.

All told, at least twelve of the twenty-five firms whose officials
made the trip to China are major donors or fundraisers for the
President's party. Those companies gave almost $2 million to
Democratic candidates during the last election 

[CTRL] kinsey research, sex trafficking, enron and bush and ashcroft

2002-01-12 Thread Smart News

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The company's chairman, Kenneth L. Lay, has been a close friend of Mr. Bush
for many years, and Mr. Lay and other Enron executives have contributed more
money to Mr. Bush over his political career than anyone else, an amount
exceeding $550,000. Mr. Lay contributed an additional $100,000 for the Bush
inaugural committee.


This may be heavy for survivors of abuse.



Implications of Kinsey Research on Child Custody Cases - How Junk Sex Science
Created a Paradigm Shift in Society, Legislation and the Judiciary By Judith
A. Reisman, Ph.D the data he collected on the alleged sexuality of children
were based on brutal sex crimes against children. For example, part of
Kinsey's research protocol involved orgasm experiments on children, some as
young as 2 months of age. The pedophilic experimenters claimed that the 317
to 2,045 (reports vary) abused infants and children were unharmed by the
masturbation, sodomy and rape perpetrated to test these alleged orgasmic
responses (see: British Yorkshire Television's Kinsey's Pedophiles). On pages
160-161 of Kinsey's Male volume, the children's screams, their
convulsions, their hysterical weeping, fighting, and striking the
partner (the adult) are judged by Kinsey as reflecting definite pleasure
from the situation.
http://www.ocof.org/expose/implications_of_kinsey_research_.htm

Sunday Mirror Investigation: I SELL KIDS FOR SEX (1/12/02) Sick trafficker
offering girls of 11 for 500 ..to turn into prostitutes CHILD sex slaves can
be bought in Britain for as little as 500, a Sunday Mirror investigation can
revealSENIOR judge Peter Singer has called for the flow of the sex slaves
into the UK to be halted.The International Labour Organisation estimates
that up to 6,000 women and children are brought to the UK, France,
Switzerland and the Netherlands for prostitution each year.
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/

http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/enron_pres.asp

Top Presidential Recipients of Enron Contributions, 1989-2001*

Name Total

George W. Bush (R)   $113,800

Bob Dole (R)  $95,650

Al Gore (D)  $13,750

George H. W. Bush (R)*  $13,000

Bill Clinton (D)  $11,000

NOTE: Totals do not include the 1988 election cycle, when George H.W. Bush
first ran for president.  *Based on FEC data downloaded 11/1/01.

Enron Contributions to the Bush-Cheney 2001 Inaugural Fund**

Donor  City  State  Organization  Amount

Enron Corp  Houston  TX  Enron Corp  $100,000

Jeffrey Skilling  Houston  TX  Enron Corp  $100,000

Kenneth  Linda Lay  Houston  TX  Enron Corp  $100,000

**Source Bush-Cheney 2001 Presidential Inaugural Committee.

Enron Contributions to the Bush-Cheney 2000 Recount Fund***

Donor  Organization  Amount  Date

Linda Lay  Enron Corp  $5,000  11/16/2000

Kenneth Lay  Enron Corp  $5,000  11/16/2000

Hal C Elrod  Enron Corp  $500  11/17/2000

***Source Bush-Cheney 2000 Recount Committee.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/11/business/11ASSE.html
January 11, 2002 - NEWS ANALYSIS
A Familiar Capital Script - By DON VAN NATTA Jr.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 10 — The rapidly exploding Enron (news/quote) inquiry
presents elements reminiscent of earlier Washington scandals, including
carefully phrased denials and accusations of easy access. And in a matter of
hours today, it sent the White House into a full- scale effort to contain the
potential damage to President Bush at a time when he wants to focus on the
war on terrorism and the flagging economy.

The White House spent much of the day trying to distance the president from a
torrent of bad news about the fall of Enron, the Houston energy conglomerate.

Although no one has suggested that Mr. Bush has done anything wrong, the
connections between his presidency and Enron are uncomfortably close. The
company's chairman, Kenneth L. Lay, has been a close friend of Mr. Bush for
many years, and Mr. Lay and other Enron executives have contributed more
money to Mr. Bush over his political career than anyone else, an amount
exceeding $550,000. Mr. Lay contributed an additional $100,000 for the Bush
inaugural committee.

Throughout the day, White House officials denied that Mr. Bush had been aware
of the company's troublesome finances or had ever been asked to come to its
rescue.

But on Capitol Hill, Democrats were already beginning to ask of the
president, What did he know and when did he know it? And questions were
being raised about whether a criminal inquiry into Enron's collapse should be
led by a special counsel rather than by the Justice Department, because
Attorney General John Ashcroft received $57,499 in campaign contributions
from Enron and Mr. Lay, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

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[CTRL] Konformist: The Pipeline Plots, Part 1

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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The Pipeline Plots, Part 1
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1--10-2


Sometimes when you know a lot of the facts and details, it is
difficult to escape the idea that you are looking at a sinister
scheme. Of course, skeptics and deniers will quickly label you
a conspiracy theorist, even if you are not, thus dismissing what
you say.

What high level powers do, on a regular basis, cannot simply be a
device concocted for a one-time trick. The ultra-rich
obviously breathe together. So, it fits the historical definition
of to conspire. What they do, day by day, year by year, and century
by century, is simply their method of operation. Their way of
enriching themselves and controlling those of the middle income. Once
in a while, their natural collusion is interrupted, sometimes only
temporarily, by an upheaval led by the better educated group, the
middle class, a Revolution.

Starting in the 1990s, even before that, two groups made their plans
as to the Caspian Sea energy area, Afghanistan, and the southern
Balkans. Oil engineers obviously knew that in a few short decades,
the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia will be played out. A growing market
for oil and natural gas is Pakistan, Red China, and points east, like
Japan.

The Caspian area is there to be exploited. Oil, natural gas. One
pipeline was planned through the southern Balkans, the split-apart
area formerly called simply Yugoslavia. Standing in the way was a
strongman, Slobadan Milosevic, who took over more or less with the
demise of long-time dictator Marshal Tito who with an iron fist kept
the ethnic and religious groups in check. Milosevic was once
considered charming and popular. Toppling him started with the Henry
Kissinger design of wrecking the Yugoslav banks. Kissinger 
Associates have been a nest of clever snakes fronting for Big Oil and
dictators and butchers worldwide.

So, building on the natural friction between ethnic and religious
groups in Yugoslavia, became the excuse for the U.S./British attack
on the Belgrade government. The supposed justification, trumpeted in
the oil-soaked, spy-riddled monopoly press, was the primarily
fraudulent stories of massacres. In the Spring of 1999, that became
the reason for bombing and invading Serbia and their province of
Kosovo.

If not so bloody and tragic, the whole event would be laughable.
Mighty military and economic forces of the West pulverized a once
united nation which had no air force or navy worth noting, and an
army no match for the invaders. Furthermore, Serbia was traditionally
pro-U.S. if not also pro-British. In thousands of years, Serbia never
attacked or invaded any other country.

In violation of the Geneva Convention, to which the U.S. and Britain
are signatories, U.S./British forces knowingly bombed and missile-
attacked hospitals, schools, and churches. They bombed structures on
the Danube, for months thereafter blocking river commerce for a whole
section of Europe. The Serbian Radio/Television Building in Belgrade
was directly targeted and many of those inside slaughtered

Who would rightfully dare prosecute the U.S./British leaders as war
criminals? The International tribunals, made up of yesmen and
cowards, are a dead letter.

Think about it. If Serbia had an air force and a navy like the U.S.,
surely they had the right, yes, the duty, to in return, bomb and
missile attack the United States. Fair is fair. Hey, the press fakers
said it was a WAR.

The attack on Serbia benefitted, some say intentionally, the
Kosovo/Albanian dope traffickers. Whether you like or dislike what he
says or does on other matters, notice something: U.S. Senator Joseph
I. Lieberman (D., Conn.), became the unregistered lobbyist for the
dope-traffickers, the KLA, the Kosovo Liberation Army. Lieberman, who
also ran for Vice President in the year 2000, made speeches fronting
for the KLA. [I have rejected the strong warning of Lieberman's
cohorts, who demanded I shut up about this, yet they know I am an
independent, a loyalist for neither political party.]

The blitz against Serbia began right after President Bill Clinton,
impeached by House of Representatives resolutions, was turned loose
from an Impeachment trial by the U.S. Senate. Some contend key
Senators caved in after having been blackmailed. Head of the Senate
Judiciary Committee, Senator Orrin G.Hatch (R., Utah), reportedly was
about to be caught up in the Olympics bribery scandal. The monopoly
press covered up this and financial and other scandals implicating
several U.S. Senators which 

[CTRL] The Left and the Death of Kennedy (Probe Magazine)

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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To expand on Mike Ruppert's point about Corn and Chomsky being dangerous
to whistleblower life and limb, here's more on Chomsky's (and the
so-called liberal-left's) stonewalling of substantive discussion around
the JFK assassination -- or any other serious challenge to the continuing
evolution of global fascism.

...(I)f we take Chomsky and Cockburn as being genuine in their
crusades—no matter how unattractive their tactics—their myopia about
politics is breathtaking.

Mike H.

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr197-left.html
From the January-February, 1997 issue (Vol. 4 No. 2)

The Left and the Death of Kennedy
By Jim DiEugenio
[snip]
...(Marcus) Ray reveals his personal encounters with some of the leading
intellectuals of that ‘60’s and ‘70’s movement called the “New Left”,
namely Howard Zinn, Gar Alperovitz, Martin Peretz, and Noam Chomsky. He
shows how each of them rejected his plea
[snip]
...Ray’s encounter with Chomsky is especially revealing and will be
disturbing to adherents of the MIT professor. In his book, Looking For
the Enemy, Michael Morrisey includes parts of a 1992 letter from Chomsky.
In discussing a government conspiracy to murder and cover-up the
assassination, the esteemed professor writes:
That would be an interesting question if there were any reason to believe
that it happened. Since I see no credible evidence for that belief, I
can’t accept that the issue is as you pose it. (p.6)
Apparently, Chomsky never thought that Marcus would include their three
hour session over just three pieces of evidence. This exposes the above
statement, and Chomsky’s public stance since Stone’s film, as a
deception.
Chomsky and his good friend and soulmate on the JFK case, Alexander
Cockburn went on an (orchestrated?) campaign at the time of Stone’s JFK
to convince whatever passes for the left in this country that the murder
of Kennedy was 1) not the result of a conspiracy, and 2) didn’t matter
even if it was. They were given unlimited space in magazines like The
Nation and Z Magazine. But, as Howard Zinn implied in a recent letter to
Schotz defending Chomsky, these stances are not based on facts or
evidence, but on a political choice. They choose not to fight this
battle. They would rather spend their time and effort on other matters.
When cornered themselves, Chomsky and Cockburn resort to rhetorical
devices like exaggeration, sarcasm, and ridicule. In other words, they
resort to propaganda and evasion.
CTKA believes that this is perhaps the most obvious and destructive
example of Schotz’s “denial.” For if we take Chomsky and Cockburn as
being genuine in their crusades—no matter how unattractive their
tactics—their myopia about politics is breathtaking. For if the
assassinations of the ‘60’s did not matter—and Morrisey notes that these
are Chomsky’s sentiments—then why has the crowd the left plays to shrunk
and why has the field of play tilted so far to the right? Anyone today
who was around in the ‘60’s will tell you that the Kennedys, King, and
Malcolm X electrified the political debate, not so much because of their
(considerable) oratorical powers, but because they were winning. On the
issues of economic justice, withdrawal from Southeast Asia, civil rights,
a more reasonable approach to the Third World, and a tougher approach to
the power elite within the U.S., they and the left were making
considerable headway. The very grounds of the debate had shifted to the
center and leftward on these and other issues. As one commentator has
written, today the bright young Harvard lawyers go to work on Wall
Street, in the sixties they went to work for Ralph Nader.
The promise of the Kennedys or King speaking on these issues could
galvanize huge crowds in the streets. But even more importantly, these
men had convinced a large part of both the white middle class, and the
younger generation that their shared interests were not with the wealthy
and powerful elites, but with the oppressed and minorities. Today, that
tendency has been pretty much reversed. Most of the general public and
the media have retreated into a reactionary pose. And some of the most
reactionary people are now esteemed public figures e.g. Rush Limbaugh,
Newt Gingrich, Howard Stern, people who would have been mocked or
ridiculed in the ‘60’s. And the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times,
under no pressure to disguise their real sympathies, can call Limbaugh a
mainstream conservative (12/2/96).
What remains of the left in this country today can be roughly epitomized
by the nexus of The Nation, the Pacifica Radio network (in six major
cities), and the media group FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting).

[CTRL] The ENRON Administration - Report by Mike Ruppert

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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From: Mike Ruppert - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: ENRON CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN SEC AND GAO
 THREATEN CREDIBILITY OF INVESTIGATIONS

Enron Exploding - May Connect to Money Laundering

BIGGER BUSH ADMINISTRATION CONFLICTS OF INTEREST LOOM AFTER ASHCROFT
RECUSES FROM ENRON INVESTIGATION

by Michael C. Ruppert

FTW January 11, 2002 - Even as Attorney General John Ashcroft today recused
himself from involvement in any Justice Department investigation into the
mushrooming Enron scandal, larger conflicts of interest - potentially more
damaging to the Bush Administration -- are becoming increasingly apparent.
The conflicts involve the Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission
(SEC), Harvey Pitt and the head of Congress' investigative arm, the General
Accounting Office (GAO), David Walker. Both agencies are charged with
investigating allegedly criminal behavior by the energy trading firm,
once the seventh largest company in America, which has now become the
single largest bankruptcy in world history and may soon become the
largest financial and political scandal in American history.

As new revelations of Enron's unethical and insider-based improprieties,
apparently facilitated by more than $2 million in Bush campaign donations,
continue to flash across TV screens on a daily, sometimes hourly, basis --
more serious allegations of criminal money-laundering activities by a
respected financial expert suggest that what is already known about Enron's
behavior is but the barest tip of a razor sharp iceberg that could sink the
Bush presidency.

Spokespersons for Pitt and Walker both denied to FTW in interviews on January
10 that there is any reason for the heads of these two agencies, long regarded
as the last and best protections against unchecked government corruption, to
recuse themselves from Enron investigations even though their respective
agencies have key statutory obligations to investigate the growing scandal.

SEC Chairman Harvey Pitt, who took office in August of this year, after most
of the acts leading to the Enron collapse had been committed, was, according
to a Jan. 9, 2001 report by the Center for Public Integrity, a  partner in
the law firm of Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver and Jacobson. In that capacity
he represented accounting firm Arthur Andersen, Enron's auditor, which
disclosed in a press release dated yesterday, that in recent months
individuals in the firm involved with the Enron engagement disposed of
a significant but undetermined number of electronic and paper documents
and correspondence related to the Enron engagement.

This is significant because Andersen, one of the big five accounting firms,
had routinely signed off on falsified financial statements concealing almost
$20 billion in off-balance-sheet debt from stock and bond holders,
regulatory agencies and Enron employees. Many of Enron's pre-bankruptcy
20,000 employees were barred by the company from cashing in their 401(k)
retirement plans, primarily consisting of Enron stock, while key
executives including Chairman Kenneth Lay, former President and CEO
Jeff Skilling, and CFO Andrew Fastow reportedly personally made more
than $1 billion selling Enron shares before the collapse.

SEC spokeswoman Christi Harlan told FTW, The Chairman filed an agreement
that he would recuse himself from votes in any matters where he had a
conflict of interest. The investigation is being run by the enforcement
division and they keep him [Pitt] advised.

Once the Commission launches an investigation to go forward they just do
their thing. There's no requirement for a vote until an action is
recommended.

Harlan stated that the enforcement division acts autonomously from any input
from the Chairman's office and that the head of the division has management
oversight for any investigations. This appears to be a different SEC practice
from the long-respected partnership of SEC chairman Arthur Levitt and
enforcement director Richard Walker who were known as a team for their
single-minded and thorough non-partisan investigation of securities
violations in the 1980s and 90s. Walker was recruited by Deutschebank
shortly after the attacks of
September 11th, 2001.

When asked if, in spite of his past representation of Andersen, Pitt was
confident that there would be no conflict of interest or any resultant
influence on the Enron probe, Harlan said, Absolutely!

Comptroller General of the United States David M. Walker, who heads the GAO,
has an even more obvious dilemma. Until November 9, 1998 he was a partner,
board member and global managing director at Andersen. As persistent
questions bubble about Andersen's possible complicity in Enron's criminal
falsification of
financial statements Walker's past relationship with Andersen management
raises a question about his own ability to investigate in an unbiased
fashion.

GAO spokesman Jeff Nelligan told FTW, There is no link, 

Re: [CTRL] a pro-Gritz, anti-Cooper list

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

-Caveat Lector-

But did he at least pay local sales taxes and property taxes? Are those taxes
not used to provide fire and police protection?

I am not agreeing with Cooper's violent actions, BTW.

Steve

On 12 Jan 02, at 12:01, Dale Stonehouse wrote:


 If I were depending on police, fire and military protection from foreign
 invasion without paying taxes you are correct, I would be very paranoid. Tax
 resisters should be required to waive the right to public services thoses
 taxes help finance. Fire? Sorry, you don't pay taxes, start carrying buckets
 from the creek. Burglars? It says here you don't pay taxes, handle it
 yourself.

 That is not to say all taxes are used wisely, but there are two sides to
 every issue.

 Paranoia does not depend on anything anyone else does to exist; if they
 were nonexistent, they would be created in the mind of the paranoid.



In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous 
economy in our
history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being 
transformed before
our very eyes.

http://www.truthout.com

Dzit Dit Gaii!

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[CTRL] Why Guantanamo?

2002-01-12 Thread Peat




LockdownThe first set of prisoners arrived 
atGuantanomo Bay on Friday.http://www.msnbc.com/news/682285.asp
Why Guantanamo?http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Afghan-Guantanamo-QA.html

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[CTRL] Jessee Jackson Discusses Drugs and Afghanistan on Politically Incorrect

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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http://www.anomalous-images.com/Jessee_Jackson_Paul_Sarvino_Politically_Incorrect.ram

Notice how Jackson subtly backs off the legalization issue brought up by Paul Sarvino. 
Jackson
knows the limits for those seeking national political office in today's 'troubled 
world.'  :-(

And host Bill burned once but never again Mahler tries to minimize the damage.

Steve


In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous 
economy in our
history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being 
transformed before
our very eyes.

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Re: [CTRL] Jessee Jackson Discusses Drugs and Afghanistan on Politically Incorrect

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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After listening to it again, I was a bit hard on Jessee Jackson. He makes the
point very well. Well said, Rev. Jackson!!!

Steve

On 12 Jan 02, at 21:08, in,s,ciadrugs,ctrl wrote:

 http://www.anomalous-images.com/Jessee_Jackson_Paul_Sarvino_Politically_Incorrect.ram

 Notice how Jackson subtly backs off the legalization issue brought up by Paul 
Sarvino. Jackson
 knows the limits for those seeking national political office in today's 'troubled 
world.'  :-(

 And host Bill burned once but never again Mahler tries to minimize the damage.

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In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous 
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our very eyes.

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Re: [CTRL] Jessee Jackson Discusses Drugs and Afghanistan on Politically Incorrect

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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But still I support Legalization! (Make up your friggin' mind, Wingate.)

(I can't, the mind control people have gotten hold of me.  :@)

On 12 Jan 02, at 21:13, Steve wrote:

 After listening to it again, I was a bit hard on Jessee Jackson. He makes the
 point very well. Well said, Rev. Jackson!!!



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[CTRL] ENRON's CPA Arthur Andersen/Arizona Baptist 'Ponzi

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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(I suspect you won't here much about Arthur Anderson' in the years ahead as
a viable company. Would you want to use AA for your auditor to give your
bankers confidence? I think not. )

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Arizona sues Andersen
April 26, 2001: 9:03 a.m. ET

State alleges accounting firm played role in securities fraud by Baptist group
NEW YORK (CNNfn) - Arizona state officials and securities regulators have
jointly filed a lawsuit against Arthur Andersen LLP, alleging that the auditor
willingly participated with a religious foundation in an investment fraud,
according to a published report Thursday.

The state is suing the accounting firm over what it contends was Arthur
Andersen's involvement in an alleged cover-up of a securities fraud by the
Baptist Foundation of Arizona, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The paper, citing an unnamed former Andersen accountant, said the firm
ignored warnings from its own auditors that the religious group had inflated
the value of its assets and was covering up losses, and issued a clean audit,
which the foundation then used to attract new investors.

The lawsuit, which seeks investor restitution of as much as $600 million,
alleges Andersen's legal group also ignored anonymous phone calls in mid-
1997 warning that the foundation's investment operation was a Ponzi
scheme, in which money paid in by later investors was used to pay inflated
returns to the original investors, the Journal said.

Andersen, in the report, maintains it acted appropriately and was
cooperating with the criminal investigation into the alleged fraud. Any time
senior management conspires to defraud investors, this kind of complicated
fraud will be very difficult to detect, the paper quoted Ed Novak, an outside
attorney for Arthur Andersen.
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[CTRL] Houston, We Have A Problem G W Bush Gets Lay'ed

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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Excerpted: The Enron Methanol plant in Pasadena, Texas lies in the Houston
Ship Channel area, the nation's largest concentration of petrochemical plants
just east of the city. The Enron Methanol plant has won special concessions
from Governor Bush allowing the company to pollute without a permit, as well
as giving the company immunity from prosecution for violating the pollution
laws. Indeed, plants like this in Texas actually emit twice as many nitrogen
oxides, a key ingredient of smog, as do all the nine million cars in Texas
put together.

BOB'S NOTE:  I once again want to thank all that voted for George W for
president - you help get him the hell out of Texas.


George W. Bush Gets Layed
Sat Jan 12 21:15:47 2002


George W. Bush Gets Layed

The Mutually Beneficial Relationship Between Enron CEO Ken Lay
and the Republican Contender

By Pratap Chatterjee
Special to CorpWatch
July 20, 2000

Early last October, every member of a ninth grade girls track team and the
freshman football team at suburban Houston's Deer Park High School's
north campus returned from practice reporting severe breathing problems.
That day Deer Park registered 251 parts of ozone per billion, more than
twice the federal standard, and Houston surpassed Los Angeles as the
smoggiest city in the United States.

One of the biggest contributors to Deer Park's pollution is a plant owned
by Enron, Houston's wealthiest company. Enron is also the single largest
contributor ($555,000 and counting) to the political ambitions of Texas
Governor George W. Bush, Republican Candidate for President of the
United States. Kenneth Lay, the chief executive of Enron, has personally
given over $100,000 to Bush's political campaigns, more than any other
individual. He is also one of the Pioneers - a Bush supporter who has
collected at least $100,000 in direct contributions of $1,000 or less.

Enron is best known as the largest buyer and seller of natural gas in the
country. Its 1999 revenues of $40 billion has made it the 18th largest
company in the United States. Enron is invested in energy projects around
the world including the UK, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, the Philippines,
Indonesia, China, India and Mozambique.

The company has recently expanded from
energy to bandwidth capacity for the Internet,
making it one of the world's largest
Internet-based trading companies, buying and
selling a dizzying array of products ranging
from pulp and paper to petrochemicals and
plastics, as well as esoteric products like
clean air credits that utilities purchase to meet
emission limits.

Texas activists say that this tight connection
between Bush and Lay bodes ill for the
country, if Bush is elected. Andrew Wheat,
from Texans for Public Justice, a campaign
finance advocacy group in Austin, compared
the symbiotic relationship between Enron and
the Governor to cogeneration-a process used
by utilities to harness waste heat vented by
their generators to produce more power. In a more sinister form of
cogeneration, corporations are converting economic into political power. A
Bush election fueled by Enron dollars could fill the White House with
dangerous levels of Enron gas. When that gas ignites in the public-policy
arena, consumers will get burned, he told CorpWatch.

Indeed Bush campaign spokesman Ray Sullivan told CorpWatch that, if
elected president, the governor is keen to promote the kind of policies that
he has crafted with companies like Enron for the state of Texas. The
governor believes in competition, free enterprise, better service and
technology improvements. He has promoted sweeping and effective
reforms in education and has been the first governor in Texas to seriously
address limits on emissions. He will carry his agenda to Washington to do
what he believes is best for the country.

But is what Bush believes is good for Texas, good for the United States Of
America? Texas has one of the worst environmental records in the
country, particularly in the field of air pollution. And its education record
is
not much better. Unfortunately, the Bush platform for the country is very
similar to the kinds of programs that he has worked on with Enron, cutting
corporate taxes, deregulating industry and replacing social programs with
private sector volunteerism.

In addition Enron is invested in energy projects around the globe-some of
which have been tainted by charges of human rights abuses. For example,
in India construction of it's controversial Dhabol power plant has brought
charges by international groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty
International of complicity with police brutality in rural communities. It is
also accused of human 

[CTRL] Sound in Pillow, More

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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Yes, no doubt they are ready with that as well, and it can be injected with a
vaccine, like the flu vaccine. BTW, the building at Siemens where I worked in
Silicon Valley, had the 'evil looking' Gothic archetecture to be used as the
location of the evil company in the movie 'Sneakers' with Dan Ackeroid, a
good movie, BTW.

Steve

On 13 Jan 02, at 6:48, smithorg wrote:

 forget the card steve, the chip implant is the way to go,  not only can they
 id your body but they can locate your body in order to id it.  no wait in
 customs or in line at the airport, you will be able to express check in
 every flight, movie, concert or public event.  express security check in
 with a vip identity implant, complete versions include medical data base,
 social security and income/credit history, travel history for updates on
 future specials to destinations you prefer and auto frequent flyer milage
 updates.  Life in the system was never easier.



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[CTRL] Fw: [Wait to file - the Income Tax is on Trial on 2/2702 MUST READ

2002-01-12 Thread Archibald Bard

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The very legality of the U.S. income tax system goes on trial
February 27th at a congressionally sponsored public hearing on
Capitol Hill.

See Details below!

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 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:54 PM
 Subject: [we-the-people-income-tax-update] Wait to file - the Income Tax
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  Hello group,
 
  We posted the following message to our web site
  http://www.givemeliberty.org. You may want to read the message on the
  web site, where it would be easier to read.
 
  Regards,
 
  Bob Schulz
 
  --
 
  Wait to File Until the Trial!
 
  Read our letter that's being mailed to 300,000 people
 
 
  Read our newspaper Ad (pdf - 333K)
 
 
 
  The We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education has
  launched Operation Wait to File Until the Trial. This effort is to
  inform as many Americans as possible that:
 
   
  This historic event is the result of a three-year effort by the We
  The People Foundation For Constitutional Education and thousands of
  supporters nationwide.
 
  At the 2-day hearing, we expect to prove conclusively that the IRS
  does not have the legal authority to force employers to withhold
  taxes from the paychecks of their employees, or to force most
  Americans to file a return or pay the income tax.
 
  If the research is confirmed publicly, most Americans may be entitled
  to a refund of 100% of the income tax paid or withheld in 2001.
 
  All Americans should wait until the public hearing before they file
  their tax returns. Hear the facts. Judge the truth.
 
  Over the next several weeks we intend to announce Operation Wait to
  File Until the Trial to tens of millions of Americans. To accomplish
  this objective, we will conduct a comprehensive nationwide media and
  direct mail campaign on several different fronts concurrently.
  Efforts are currently under way to place high-impact Wait to File
  ads in USA TODAY and other major newspapers. Our direct mail
  initiative will be targeted at a broad cross-section of individuals,
  professional associations, political groups and institutions.
 
  Our media and direct mail campaign is expected to generate a critical
  mass of awareness about the February 27th hearing, and promote
  heightened nationwide interest and discussion of the event. The
  initial direct mail effort will target several hundred thousand
  individuals and numerous professional and political organizations
  nationwide, including but not limited to the following:
 
  American Institute of Certified Public Accountants. Considering that
  it is tax season and these folks have a vested interest in keeping
  the IRS and income tax system alive and well, our ad should create
  quite a reaction from this group-and possibly some free media
  attention.
 
  Tax section of the American Bar Association. Another IRS-aligned
  group that should react vocally to the ad.
 
  National Federation of Independent Businesses
  Libertarian Party national member list.
 
  Every U.S. Senator, Congressman, Supreme Court Justice, Federal Court
  Judge, Executive Cabinet Member. Every State Representative in all 50
  states.
 
  Every talk radio show host in America.
 
  The editors of major newspapers across America.
 
  The editors of major magazines and nationally distributed print media.
 
  To succeed in this unprecedented effort to inform the American people
  about the unlawful income tax system, and to conduct the hearing in
  Washington DC on February 27th, we need the support of tens of
  thousands of citizens. Freedom is not a spectator sport. For all
  those who love our country and the principles of truth, justice and
  personal liberty, we now have a choice. We can remain forever
  enslaved to this unjust, unlawful income tax system, or, WE THE
  PEOPLE can change it.
 
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  Make a donation.
 
  Please help us in this historic fight for freedom. The personal
  income tax has no place in a society that believes in equality,
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  the integrity of our Constitutional form of government and undermined
  our birthright as Americans-our right to life, liberty and property.
  With courage and determination, we can, together cause the bell of
  freedom to ring once again in America. No person associated with We
  The People Foundation For Constitutional Education receives any form
  of 

[CTRL] Enron

2002-01-12 Thread Steve

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Enron = End Around Run

Enron has been compared to the Clinton's Whitewater debacle.

The Enron Collapse and the connections to the Bush Administration is closer
to the Savings and Loan scandles of the 1980's under Reagan/Bush
Whitehouse because the result has been a massive transfer of wealth to the
Elite while the rest of the people (taxpayers or recently, pension owners and
retirees) find their options locked out, kept in the dark, and basically,
SCREWED, Bushwise, some would say in a reptilian fasion.

Now of course no one in office could possibly have any responsibility for what
happened. $$$ buys nothing in Washington, and Bush is winning the war, but
the war on / FOR what???

Steve


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economy in our
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Re: [CTRL] a pro-Gritz, anti-Cooper list

2002-01-12 Thread inri

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 Fire? Sorry, you don't pay taxes, start carrying buckets
 from the creek.

you can't do that. what about the neighbours who *are* good tax paying
citizens? i don't care much about the life of the non taxpayer either [the
individual who refuses to do his share and fund the state is worse than
the individual who merely lives off it, imo] but fires spread, dude..

cooper was a murderous lunatic and putting him up on any sort of pedestal is
disgusting.

inri
np:

http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/

sure, we'll have fascism, but it will come disguised as americanism - huey
long
there ought to be limits to freedom - george w. bush
if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long
as i'm the dictator. - george w. bush

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[CTRL] Islamic Definition of Terror

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_saudis_1_11.html

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Muslim scholars meet to define terrorism and agree: Israel to blame

Special to World Tribune.com

MIDDLE EAST NEWSLINE
Friday, January 11, 2002

ABU DHABI — Saudi Arabia, under pressure from the United States to
cooperate in the war against terrorism, has defined Islamic holy war
against Israel as legitimate self- defense.

The definition was formulated during a Saudi-sponsored seminar on
terrorism attended by Muslim scholars from the kingdom and abroad.
The seminar was held as part of a Saudi campaign to defend the
kingdom and other Islamic states from charges that they have
encouraged insurgencies in the West.

The Mecca seminar termed terrorism as all acts of aggression unjustly committed by 
individuals, groups or states against human beings. The Muslim scholars termed 
Israeli aggression as the worst form of terrorism and jus
tified any retaliation against the Jewish state and its people. They said Israel and 
Jewish communities abroad were responsible for anti-Islamic sentiment in the West in 
the wake of the Sept. 11 suicide attacks in New Yor
k and Washington.

This [attacks by Israel] is the most dangerous terrorism to world peace and security 
and its confrontation is a just self-defense and jihad [holy war] in the way of 
Allah. the seminar, sponsored by the Islamic Fiqh Acad
emy of the Muslim World League, said in a statement on Thursday. Jihad is meant for 
upholding right, ending injustice, ensuring peace and security and establishing mercy. 
Terrorism and violence committed by the aggressor
 who usurp the land, desecrate holy sanctuaries and loot wealth cannot be compared to 
the practice the right of legitimate defense as used by the oppressed seeking to gain 
their legitimate rights to self-determination.

Saudi officials have acknowledged that the United States has pressed the kingdom to 
implement reforms that would delegitimize Islamic insurgency attacks. But the 
officials said Riyad rejected any prospect of changing its
education curriculum that would undermine the stress on holy war.

War does not necessarily mean military confrontation so much as spreading awareness 
to counter destructive ideologies and eradicating causes of the phenomenon by working 
seriously to find just solutions to international
crises, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal said in an interview with the 
London-based A- Sharq Al Awsat daily.

The Muslim scholars, completing a six-day conference, said terrorism also included 
any act of violence or threat designed to terrorize people or endanger their lives or 
security as well as damage to the environment. The
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Re: [CTRL] Jessee Jackson Discusses Drugs and Afghanistan on Politically Incorrect

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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On 12 Jan 02, at 21:26, Steve wrote:

 But still I support Legalization!

Decriminalisation.  Legalisation would entail a bureaucracy.
Individual choice and individual rights don't need a bunch of rules
made by the uninitiated to serve as guidelines for the veterans.

AER

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[CTRL] (Fwd) [PNEWS] OPED: Letter TO IOL in response to Ronnie Kasril

2002-01-12 Thread Euphorian

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From: MIYAD - Maginei Yisrael b'Drom-Afrika [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Letter sent to IOL commenting on anti-Israel protests instigated by
Minister Ronnie Kasrils

   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:20 PM
Ronnie Kasrils does not speak for the Jewish people

Ronnie Kasrils might be of Jewish descent but he is not a practising
Jew nor do his views represent those of the of the Jewish community.
His protest on a day when yet another innocent Israeli has been
murdered by Palestinians is nothing short of disgusting.

The balatant turnspeak used against Israel and Zionism is repugnant.
The Biblical land of Israel lies occupied by Arab invaders, but it is
the tiny State of Israel that is accused of occupation because in a
defensive war it managed to recapture land that had previously been
seized from it. The Jewish people are the indigenous people of the
region while the so-called Palestinians are colonists of recent
origin, yet it is the Jews who are accused of being colonialist
settlers because following the war in 1969 they returned to land from
which Jews had been expelled a mere 19 years before.

It is Arafat and his ilk who wish to expel 200 000 Jews and destroy
their homes because they are living in an area he has decreed
Palestinian territory, yet it is Israel who is labeled an Apartheid
state. It is the Palestinians who commit almost daily racist murders
yet it is the Zionist victims of these murders that are labeled as
racists.

Jordan was illegally created by Britain, yet it is Israel that is
habitually referred to as an illegitimate state.

Those who are sick of the lies and disinformation against Israel I
would recommend the following website that gives the picture from the
other side:

   http://www.newkach.org/capetown
 - Chayyim Ish-Teva
 Cape Town co-ordinator MIYAD (Maginei Yisrael b'Drom-Afrika)

***
Who is Ronnie Kasrils?

   During the Rivonia trial against ANC terrorists, Ronnie Kasrils was
   named as a co-conspirator, accused of complicity in, inter alia,
   the manufacture of arms. He played an important role in planning
   the massive increase in terrorist attacks in SA during the early
   1980's. Today he is Minister of Water Affairs in the ANC regime.

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 responsibility
  to think; rather, they are merely reacting, substituting tired
  slogans for thought. - Christopher Hitchens
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The non-truth is out there

Alexander Cockburn - Creators Syndicate

01.11.02 - Conspiracy is going mainstream. On the morning of Jan. 8,
Paula Zahn of CNN went into histrionic wide-eyed mode as she parleyed
with Richard Butler (former head of the UN inspection team in Iraq,
latter part of the wipe- out-Saddam lobby and now on the CNN
payroll), coyly described by the lovely Paula as ambassador-in-
residence. They were discussing the hot book of the hour, “Bin
Laden, la verite interdite” (“Bin Laden, The Forbidden Truth”), by
Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie. It just appeared in
Paris.

Zahn: Start off with what your understanding is of what is in this
book -- the most explosive charge.

Butler: The most explosive charge, Paula, is that the Bush administration -- the 
present one, just shortly after assuming office, slowed down FBI investigations of al 
Qaeda and terrorism in Afghanistan in order to do a d
eal with the Taliban on oil -- an oil pipeline across Afghanistan.

Zahn: And this book points out that the FBI's deputy director, John O'Neill, actually 
resigned because he felt the U.S. administration was obstructing ... 

Butler: A proper ... 

Zahn:  ... the prosecution of terrorism.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg. From the American Patriots, through BuzzFlash 
(which seems to have an umbilical cord to the Democratic National Committee) to 
ultra-left sites, there's a menu of conspiracy charges
that would sate the most indefatigable gourmand. To cite a by-no-means complete list, 
we have the charges noted above; we also have foreknowledge by the Bush administration 
of the 9/11 attacks, with a deliberate decision
to do nothing to thwart the onslaughts.

What else? We have the accusation that members of the U.S. intelligence community, 
possibly in league with Bush-related business operatives, used their foreknowledge of 
the attacks to invest large sums in put options, g
ambling on the likelihood that the stock value of United Airlines and American 
Airlines would plummet in the wake of the suicide attacks.

Don't stop there! The Internet boils with accusations that U.S. fighter planes were 
ordered to stand down on Sept. 11, although there was a possibility these planes could 
have intercepted and downed the suicide planes.

Then there's the role of oil. Quite properly, Americans always relish charges that Big 
Oil is up to no good, and this appetite is being assiduously catered to. Innumerable 
columns begin with the news that the war in Afgha
nistan is all about oil. From this premise flow tributaries of speculation of the 
sort made by the two Frenchman cited above.

The trouble with many conspiracy theories is that they strain excessively to avoid the 
obvious, which is:

Both under Bush's and Clinton's presidencies the U.S. has been eager, since the fall 
of the Soviet Union, to find some way to assist the hopes of U.S. oil companies and 
pipeline companies to exploit the oil resources of t
he Asian republics, most notably reserves in western Kazakhstan. Similarly consistent 
has been the U.S.'s desire not to have oil from Kazakhstan pass through Russia. Until 
U.S.-Iranian relations are restored, that has lef
t the option of a pipeline from Kazakhstan westward through Azerbaijan and Georgia to 
Cheyhan on the Mediterranean coast of Turkey or a pipeline south through Afghanistan 
to a Pakistani port.

In tandem with these hopes to ship out Kazakh oil has been the hopes of getting a 
regime in Afghanistan sufficiently stable to allow Unocal to build its line and 
sufficiently deferential to the U.S. to arrest or at least
boot out Osama bin Laden.

U.S. relations with the Saudis were, as always, predicated on the paramount necessity 
of ensuring the stability of the regime without burdening it with unpalatable demands. 
If history is any guide, a lot of this diplomacy
 was no doubt clumsily done, in alternations between proffers of carrots and threats 
of the stick.

But does this mean that the U.S. went to war in Afghanistan for oil? Surely not. If 
stability was the goal, then war was a foolish option. The Bush regime hastened into 
war because America had sustained the greatest mas
sacre on its soil since Pearl Harbor, and it faced the political imperative of finding 
an enemy at top speed on which to exact vengeance.

This isn't to say there weren't hawks inside the Bush administration who were lobbying 
for plans to overthrow the Taliban in early summer, plans of which the Taliban became 
aware, possibly conniving the September 11 attac
ks in consequence.

As for all those mad theories about permitting the September 11 attacks to occur or 
about remote control planes, they seem to add up to the notion that America's foes are 
too incompetent to mount operations unaided by U.S
. agencies, or that intelligence agencies aren't vast, bumbling bureaucracies quite 
capable of ignoring or underestimating or