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[CTRL] Hubbell/Hillary Charges Reinstated


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Charge Reinstated Against Hubbell

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal appeals court reinstated a criminal charge that
Webster Hubbell engaged in a scheme to conceal legal work he and Hillary
Rodham Clinton did on a fraudulent Arkansas land deal.

The three-judge panel unanimously rejected on Tuesday Hubbell's argument that
one of 15 charges against him should be dismissed as too vague. His trial is
to begin Aug. 9.

An 85-paragraph section of the indictment enumerates some 50 alleged lies by
Hubbell over a six-year span to regulators from the Resolution Trust Corp.
and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.

``It cannot be the case that the more elaborate the scheme or the more
numerous the acts of concealment, the less able the government is to charge a
crime,'' said the court decision. The judges were Stephen Williams and
Laurence Silberman, Republican appointees, and David Tatel, a Clinton
appointee.

``Hubbell's ... argument that the indictment fails to give sufficient notice
because it provides too much detail is, to be charitable, unconvincing,'' the
court added.

U.S. District Judge James Robertson had ruled that the allegations against
Hubbell were not specific enough.

Federal regulators say the land development involved, a 1,050-acre tract
south of Little Rock called Castle Grande, was riddled with insider dealing
and fictitious sales.

The project was owned by Mrs. Clinton's former Whitewater partner, Jim
McDougal, and Hubbell's father-in-law, Seth Ward. Mrs. Clinton has testified
repeatedly that she remembers almost nothing of her work on Castle Grande in
1985-86. Her work on the project was disclosed when her missing law firm
billing records turned up in the White House family residence in 1996 under
still-unexplained circumstances.

Castle Grande cost McDougal's savings and loan close to $4 million. The
government eventually took over the failing institution at a cost to
taxpayers of $65 million.

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[CTRL] World Court, For Laughs


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 "The World Court, formally known as the International Court of Justice,
has no enforcement powers and its decisions are not binding."


Yugoslav Cease-Fire Request Axed

By ANTHONY DEUTSCH
.c The Associated Press

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) -- The World Court on Wednesday rejected a
request by Yugoslavia for an immediate cease-fire in NATO's air campaign,
dashing a move by Belgrade to stop punishing airstrikes it contends violate
international law.

By a ruling of 12-4, the U.N. court rejected Yugoslavia's request that
Belgium immediately stop its involvement in the alliance's military
operation, and was issuing decisions throughout the day on identical cases
involving nine other NATO members, including the United States.

The court rejected Yugoslavia's contention that the alliance was committing
genocide with its campaign, saying there was no clear indication of an
attempt to bring about Yugoslavia's ``physical destruction in whole or in
part,'' and that it had no jurisdiction to order a cessation of hostilities
based on such a claim.

Yugoslavia filed the lawsuits on April 29, more than a month after the
airstrikes began on March 24, challenging the international legality of the
alliance's use of force.

Yugoslavia asked the court, the highest judicial arm of the United Nations,
to order an immediate cease-fire as a first step while it considers whether
the airstrikes are illegal, a process that could take years.

In addition to the United States and Belgium, Yugoslavia filed complaints
against Canada, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and
the United Kingdom, asserting that the airstrikes breach international
agreements, including the U.N. charter and international conventions on
genocide.

Last month, lawyers for the accused countries argued their case in the
court's ornate Peace Palace, with the United States urging justices to toss
it out as a ``political smokescreen.'' The Western allies insist the air
campaign is a legally justified intervention aimed at ending a humanitarian
catastrophe in Kosovo.

Yugoslavia has accused the allies of genocide against its people, claiming
NATO is endangering the entire population with pollution caused by attacks on
oil refineries and chemical plants. It contends there is no international
justification for such an operation, and that no U.N. Security Council
resolution authorized it.

The 16-judge World Court, formally known as the International Court of
Justice, has no enforcement powers and relies on nations to comply
voluntarily with its decisions, which are not binding.

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[CTRL] George Bush and Tiananmen Square


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 "George Bush, formerly an ENVOY to Beijing, ``believed deeply that a
relationship'' between [the US and China] was in the best interest of
whatever and ``wanted to MANAGE short-term events in such a way as to
assure [certain long-term goals]."


Bush Appealed to China on Tiananmen

By JIM ABRAMS
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Envoys of President Bush traveled to Beijing shortly after
the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown with the message that the United States
wanted good relations with China but needed an end to the arrests and
killings.

Talking points for the mission, made public Tuesday, conveyed to the Chinese
that what they did with their citizens was an ``internal affair'' but how
Americans reacted to the oppression was an internal affair of the United
States.

The memo told the Chinese they had to realize that Congress was eager to
toughen sanctions imposed by Bush, and ``further arrests and executions will
inevitably lead to greater demands in the U.S. to respond.''

The declassified document was among 35 concerning the events surrounding the
Tiananmen crackdown made public by the National Security Archive, a
nongovernmental research institute at George Washington University. Many are
memos from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing informing the State Department of
developments.

The June 29, 1989, memo is a list of themes that National Security Adviser
Brent Scowcroft and Deputy Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger were to
discuss on their mission to Beijing, which was secret at the time but was
disclosed soon afterward. The trip came less than four weeks after the
military assault on pro-democracy students occupying Tiananmen Square.

The memo emphasized that Bush, a former envoy to Beijing, ``believes deeply
that a solid relationship'' between the countries was in the interest of
world peace and ``wants to manage short-term events in a way that will best
assure a healthy relationship over time.''

But it says the Chinese had to realize that Congress is a co-equal branch of
the U.S. government, and China's cooperation was required if the president
was to be able to resist congressional demands for stronger anti-Chinese
measures.

The first documents were from an era of much smaller student demonstrations
in 1985 and 1986. One, in late 1986, warned that a crackdown was inevitable
if the demonstrations were to become too strident.

``The entire affair could become a net liability for reform with seriously
negative policy consequences,'' the embassy told Washington.

A memo on June 2, 1989, prepared for Secretary of State James Baker, noted
that students had erected a Statue of Liberty-like ``Goddess of Democracy''
on Tiananmen Square with the hope that it would ``anger top leaders'' and
prompt a reaction that would ``breathe new life into their flagging
movement.''

The documents detailed events starting on June 3 that led to the final
military assault on the square. One cable on June 4 said casualty estimates
varied from 500 to 2,600 dead, with injuries up to 10,000. A June 5 memo said
troops were firing indiscriminately into crowds of unarmed civilians, often
with automatic weapons.

A June 22 account of a source who witnessed the violence on the square said
students had believed that the soldiers would be firing rubber bullets, but
``he had a sickening feeling when he noticed the bullets striking sparks off
the pavement near his feet.''

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Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

1999-06-02 Thread YnrChyldzWyld


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On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, AOL User wrote:

Under your logic, not only Christians trying to prove Christianity reduce
their religion to superstition and idolatry (sic?) but pagans and Moslems,
too, no matter (l) whether you are aware of pagans trying to prove paganism
or not, and (2) whether you know who the god of the Moslems is (Allah) or not.

You DON'T know who the Islamic God is, DO you?  I CHALLENGE you to tell
me just WHO the Islamic God IS (and "Allah" is NOT an acceptable answer)
VIS-A-VIS THE GOD OF THE JEWS AND OF THE CHRISTIANS...in fact, I
challenge you to INTELLIGENTLY discuss ANY tenet of the Islamic faith...

And you DON'T have any PROOF that any other religion attempts to 'prove'
their religion, DO you?

But to answer your question, ANY one seeking to 'prove' ANY religion via
physical means cheapens their religionthe thing is, only pseudo-
Christians who lack faith, will, and intelligence are doing it...and all
your arguments of "well what about other religions doing it?" is
meaningless, SINCE NO OTHER RELIGION DOES!



You have failed to distinguish how Christians trying to prove their religion
are more cheap (superstitious and, sic, idolatrous) than any other religious
person.

Because you display total lack of faith, of will, and intelligence by
doing so, since you need cheap trinkets to 'prove' your beliefs...

And if other religions do so, what of it?  Why DRAG Christianity down to
that level?  Rather, you should be endeavoring to RAISE it, by displaying
a strong faith, a strong will, and a strong intelligence, by not needing
'things of the flesh' to 'prove' to others what SHOULD be an intrinsic
belief and understanding...


You would do well not to slam Christians so ("weak-minded and weak-willed"
and pseudo- who lack faith and "who insult God").

I AM a Christian.  A TRUE Christian, who unlike you is strong in
her faith, and therefore has no need to drag the religion into the mud
via a sick need to 'prove' anything to anyone regarding her faith...

Just what trinket do you NEED, to 'prove' YOUR faith?


June ;-)

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[CTRL] Flu-like Hantavirus Outbreak in Southwest ?


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Officials Fear Hantavirus Outbreak

By DEBORAH BAKER
.c The Associated Press


SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) -- Six years ago, people in a vast stretch of the
Southwest were fearful of a mysterious, flu-like illness that was killing the
previously healthy with frightening speed. The fear is back.

Four New Mexicans and one person from Colorado have died this year of
hantavirus, and experts are worried this could be the beginning of an
especially bad year for the mouse-borne disease.

Since the beginning of 1998, there have been more than two dozen cases in the
Four Corners states of New Mexico, Arizona, Utah and Colorado -- more than
twice as many as in the previous three years combined, said Dr. Brian Hjelle,
associate professor at the University of New Mexico School of Medicine.

``The conventional wisdom is, it's El Nino,'' he said. The cyclically
recurring disruption in the tropical Pacific made for a wetter-than-usual
1997-98, followed by a milder, drier ``La Nina'' winter just past.

More rainfall creates greater cover, more shelter and a bigger food supply --
nuts, seeds, vegetation and insects -- for rodents. That likely means more
deer mice, identified as the main culprit in the spread of hantavirus.

Hantavirus is typically caught by breathing dust contaminated with a rodent's
infected urine, feces or saliva. Experts recommend a wet clean-up, using a
disinfectant solution.

Dan Bradshaw of Durango, Colo., contracted the disease in 1996 after sweeping
out a mouse-infested building at an electronic tower site he owned and then
spending the night there.

Bradshaw said it took months -- and visits to four different doctors -- to
get a correct diagnosis of the coughing fits, blackouts and other symptoms
that were making him miserable.

A 50-year-old former bicycle racer and marathon runner, his athletic
activities have been severely curtailed.

``They hope that the lungs regenerate and repair themselves, but they're not
quite sure they will,'' Bradshaw said.

Early on, hantavirus resembles the flu: fever and muscle aches, and sometimes
chills, headaches, nausea and vomiting. That makes it extremely tough to
diagnose on a first visit to a doctor.

Once the more serious symptoms start -- acute respiratory problems and fluid
buildup in the lungs -- they generally progress rapidly.

``It's still a really difficult, complicated disease,'' said Paul Ettestad,
hantavirus epidemiologist with the New Mexico Department of Health.

The strain of hantavirus labeled ``Sin Nombre'' or ``No Name'' was first
recognized in 1993 after a flurry of cases -- 18 in New Mexico, 10 in Arizona
and five in Colorado.

In all, more than 200 cases of hantavirus pulmonary syndrome have been
confirmed in 30 states -- some of them older, mysterious cases that weren't
solved until the strain was identified. Of those, nearly 45 percent have been
fatal.

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[CTRL] Federal Workfare a Failure


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 Throw tax money at any problem and it's instantly solved.  NOT!


Rules Keep Welfare Aid Unspent

By LAURA MECKLER
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Ana Osegueda spends her days helping move people in San
Francisco from welfare to work, but she sends only a handful of clients
through the federal government's welfare-to-work program.

The $3 billion program was meant to help people with the toughest problems --
people who may have been left in dire straits by strict new welfare rules.
But rigid rules about who is eligible, combined with other problems, have
left some 92 percent of the first year's money unspent after a year and a
half.

``It's really hard to find someone checking `yes' in all those boxes,''
Osegueda said.

That's been the case across the country. Michigan, one of the first states to
get its money, hasn't spent a dime due to strict rules. In New York City,
where most long-term welfare recipients live, there is no one enrolled.

``This is depressingly slow considering it started so long ago, but usually
once these things start moving, they start moving,'' said John Twomey, who
runs an umbrella group for county boards in New York that distribute the
federal money.

Clinton administration officials are asking Congress to change the rules so
more people can qualify. They also want an additional $1 billion in 2000.

But local welfare directors are urging Congress to spend the money elsewhere.
And at least one key lawmaker agrees.

``We're certainly not going to put more money into it, because it's not
working,'' said Rep. Nancy Johnson, R-Conn., who chairs the House Ways and
Means welfare subcommittee.

Johnson predicted, however, that Congress will change the rules to make it
easier for more people to qualify, particularly low-income fathers of
children on welfare.

Officials in the states and at the Labor Department, which runs the program,
cite several problems, including bureaucratic delays getting it started as
well as the eligibility rules.

To participate, most recipients must have spent at least 2 1/2 years on
welfare or must be nearing their lifetime limit for benefits. They must also
have two of three other problems: substance abuse, a poor work history and
low educational skills -- defined as no high school diploma plus poor reading
ability.

That means someone who has been on welfare for five years, has a drug problem
and can't read wouldn't qualify if they graduated from high school.

``If you have a high school diploma but can't read it, we can't serve you,''
Labor Secretary Alexis Herman complained.

Herman wants Congress to ease the eligibility rules, hoping to focus more on
absentee dads. ``We can't finish the job of welfare reform without doing more
to help people who have the hardest time,'' she said.

The federal program also has run into unexpected competition from local
welfare agencies.

President Clinton proposed the program in 1997 hoping to help Americans
facing tough new welfare rules to find work. He and others feared those with
the toughest problems would be left behind.

But, as it turned out, the new rules and the robust economy helped the
welfare rolls drop faster than anyone predicted. That left states with fewer
clients and more money to serve them.

The program got under way in October 1997, when the Labor Department released
just over $1 billion to 44 states, plus the District of Columbia and three
territories, that opted to participate. An additional half-billion was
awarded directly to communities through a competition.

Through March, just $83.5 million of the state money had been spent, serving
38,705 participants. And last October, Labor got an additional $1.5 billion
to distribute.

States, which must match every $2 of federal money with $1 in state money,
have three years to spend the grants. What isn't spent goes back to the
federal Treasury.

There are some success stories. In Philadelphia, some 2,500 are working
through the program, thanks in part to an advertising campaign that urges
people to ask their caseworkers about the federal assistance.

Phylis Kelley had been on welfare for five years when she and her 3-year-old
son saw an ad. He asked if she had a job, and Kelley was embarrassed by the
answer.

``I didn't have answers for him, much less myself,'' she said.

She found this program different from others she'd tried. An employment
adviser helped her arrange child care, set up transportation and buy work
clothes -- and promised to stick with Kelley for a year, helping address
whatever problems arose.

Kelley is now making $8.75 per hour as a receptionist.

``I had no idea how many jobs were available,'' she said. ``Who knew it would
be this easy?''

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[CTRL] The Prozac Pusher


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Wash. Revokes 'Prozac' Dr.'s License

By LINDA ASHTON
.c The Associated Press

YAKIMA, Wash. (AP) -- State officials have taken away the license of the
psychologist dubbed the ``pied piper of Prozac'' because of his aggressive
promotion of the antidepressant drug.

The state Health Department's Examining Board of Psychology had charged Dr.
James Goodwin with unprofessional conduct for failing to comply with a 1996
disciplinary order that he enter into an agreement with an adviser to monitor
his practice.

In an order Tuesday, the board called Goodwin's conduct unprofessional and
wrote that revoking his license is ``the only sanction that sufficiently
protects the public.''

Goodwin, 52, said he planned to appeal in federal court in hopes of winning
back his license. He also said he would continue to see patients as a mental
health therapist.

Goodwin contends he has followed the wishes of the examining board, and he
added: ``There are people on the licensing board running psychology in this
state who are mentally ill and causing many of us problems.''

Goodwin has been in practice in the north-central Washington city of
Wenatchee since 1989.

In the early 1990s, he attracted widespread attention for his belief that
everyone suffers from at least some level of depression and would benefit
from a combination of antidepressants and therapy.

In December 1993, the licensing board accused Goodwin of breaching patient
confidentiality, diagnosing patients without adequate evaluation, pressuring
patients into taking Prozac and retaliating against a psychologist who
protested his treatment methods.

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Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

1999-06-02 Thread AOL User


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June you said:

  But to answer your question, ANY one seeking to 'prove' ANY religion via
  physical means cheapens their religionthe thing is, only pseudo-
  Christians who lack faith, will, and intelligence are doing it...and all
  your arguments of "well what about other religions doing it?" is
  meaningless, SINCE NO OTHER RELIGION DOES!

Jehovah's Witnesses do.  At least around here.
LDS do.
Krishnas do
Scientologists surely do
New Agers do (pick any group you want, they are largely
interchangeable)
People who worship UFO's do.


  Because you display total lack of faith, of will, and intelligence by
  doing so, since you need cheap trinkets to 'prove' your beliefs...

I don't need to prove my beliefs, this as well as your other
slams are something you have put on me as false accusations, probably to
paint me in a false light because your tirades do not stand up to logic.


  And if other religions do so, what of it?

The "what of it" is that you here admit the possibility other
religions prove their tenets as we discussed, yet you couch your admission in
the context of insinuating that I "should" be doing something specific just
because I am a Christian.  Again, your mistake is to treat Christians
differentially:  you would have better accused all religious people not just
me or Christians:

Why DRAG Christianity down to
  that level?  Rather, you should be endeavoring to RAISE it, by displaying
  a strong faith, a strong will, and a strong intelligence, by not needing
  'things of the flesh' to 'prove' to others what SHOULD be an intrinsic
  belief and understanding...

You would do well not to slam Christians so ("weak-minded and weak-willed"
and pseudo- who lack faith and "who insult God").

 I AM a Christian.  A TRUE Christian, who unlike you is strong in
her faith,

Why do you accuse me of not being strong in faith?   Again,
this is an attempt to paint me in a false light.  But I forgive you for it.

and therefore has no need to drag the religion into the mud
  via a sick need to 'prove' anything to anyone regarding her faith...

  Just what trinket do you NEED, to 'prove' YOUR faith?

   More of the same.

  June ;-)

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Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

1999-06-02 Thread Stopforth, Jamie


 -Caveat Lector-

  Interesting how when we have facts (what most people want) to support the
Christian faith it somehow turns into something negative...  It's always
something isn't it?  :)  Let's move on.  Some of us know the real conspiracy
going on here, others, well, let's just say they think they do.

Jamie


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold


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June you said:

  But to answer your question, ANY one seeking to 'prove' ANY religion via
  physical means cheapens their religionthe thing is, only pseudo-
  Christians who lack faith, will, and intelligence are doing it...and all
  your arguments of "well what about other religions doing it?" is
  meaningless, SINCE NO OTHER RELIGION DOES!

Jehovah's Witnesses do.  At least around here.
LDS do.
Krishnas do
Scientologists surely do
New Agers do (pick any group you want, they are largely
interchangeable)
People who worship UFO's do.


  Because you display total lack of faith, of will, and intelligence by
  doing so, since you need cheap trinkets to 'prove' your beliefs...

I don't need to prove my beliefs, this as well as your other
slams are something you have put on me as false accusations, probably to
paint me in a false light because your tirades do not stand up to logic.


  And if other religions do so, what of it?

The "what of it" is that you here admit the possibility
other
religions prove their tenets as we discussed, yet you couch your admission
in
the context of insinuating that I "should" be doing something specific just
because I am a Christian.  Again, your mistake is to treat Christians
differentially:  you would have better accused all religious people not just
me or Christians:

Why DRAG Christianity down to
  that level?  Rather, you should be endeavoring to RAISE it, by displaying
  a strong faith, a strong will, and a strong intelligence, by not needing
  'things of the flesh' to 'prove' to others what SHOULD be an intrinsic
  belief and understanding...

You would do well not to slam Christians so ("weak-minded and weak-willed"
and pseudo- who lack faith and "who insult God").

 I AM a Christian.  A TRUE Christian, who unlike you is strong in
her faith,

Why do you accuse me of not being strong in faith?   Again,
this is an attempt to paint me in a false light.  But I forgive you for it.

and therefore has no need to drag the religion into the mud
  via a sick need to 'prove' anything to anyone regarding her faith...

  Just what trinket do you NEED, to 'prove' YOUR faith?

   More of the same.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Beast of the Month - May 1999






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http://www.konformist.com/botm/volume03/botm0599.htm


Beast of the Month - May 1999
Monsanto, Korporate Chemical Giant

"I yam an anti-Christ..."
John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) of The Sex Pistols, "Anarchy in the UK"

Sometimes, evil is obvious and in your face: take, for example, the NATO
bombings of Kosovo, or the school massacre at Littleton, Colorado.  At other
times, however, evil is secretive and hidden, and when that happens, it often
hides in the most unlikely place: out in the open.  This is the most popular
place to hide for huge multi-national korporations such as Monsanto, The
Konformist Beast of the Month, the U.S.-based chemical behemoth whose
products are loved and consumed regularly by Americans, despite the fact that
even a marginal inspection of their history would reveal a shocking pattern
of deceit and contempt for its customers.

For those of you who are unaware, Monsanto is best known for introducing the
sugar substitute aspartame, which they sell under the brand names of
NutraSweet and Equal.  Contrary to what the name "NutraSweet" implies,
however, aspartame is not nutritious, and is quite unhealthy, having earned
the nickname "NutraPoison" from critics.  As reported in Alex Constantine's
now-classic underground conspiracy expose "Psychic Dictatorship in the USA"
(in the aptly-titled chapter devoted to Monsanto and NutraSweet "The Swirl
and the Swastika"), as well as the work of noted Monsanto critic Betty
Martini of Mission Possible, aspartame has been documented to cause
headaches, numbness, fatigue, blurred vision and blindness, heart
palpitations, brain lesions and tumors, memory loss, dizziness, muscle
spasms, irritability, anxiety attacks, vertigo, seizures, rashes,
tachycardia, tinnitus, joint pain, nausea, mood alterations and depression,
hearing loss, slurred speech, loss of taste, and insomnia, as well as erode
intelligence and short-term memory.  It also helps trigger multiple
sclerosis, epilepsy, chronic fatigue syndrome, Epstein Barr, Parkinson's,
Alzheimer's, diabetes, mental retardation, lymphoma, and birth defects.  No
real surprise here: originally, aspartame was categorized as a biochemical
warfare weapon by the Pentagon in a list submitted to Congress. In 1969, Dr.
Harry Waisman studied the effects of aspartame on primates, and seven infant
monkeys were fed the chemical in milk. One died after 300 days, 5 others had
Grand Mal seizures. These findings were deleted from the report to the FDA.
MIT researchers surveyed 80 people who suffered brain seizures after eating
or drinking products with Aspartame, and the Community Nutrition Institute
states: "These 80 cases meets the FDA's own definition of an imminent hazard
to the public health, which requires the FDA to expeditiously remove a
product from the market."

Despite this, NutraSweet was in over 9,000 foods by 1997 and on nearly every
restaurant table.  The irony is that the two things aspartame is most often
marketed for, diabetes and weight loss, it has been shown to not be
beneficial for.  According to  Dr. H. J. Roberts, after summarizing 58
diabetic aspartame reactors, "I now advise ALL patients with diabetes and
hypoglycemia to avoid Aspartame products."  Further, aspartame triggers a
craving for carbohydrates, hardly the reaction wanted for those trying to
lose pounds.  The FDA has received more than 10,000 consumer complaints over
aspartame, approximately 80% of all complaints about food additives since
being introduced to the market.  If the FDA was an honest organization,
NutraSweet would not have ever been approved: fortunately for Monsanto, that
isn't the case. Former FDA Commissioner Arthur Hayes overruled his own board
of inquiry to approve aspartame (claiming, falsely, that criticism was
"anecdotal") then went to work for a public relations firm retained by G.D.
Searle (the company which introduced the product that was acquired by
Monsanto in 1985.)  Federal attorney Sam Skinner was assigned to prosecute
Searle for fraudulent tests in their application, but switched sides and went
to work for Searle's lawyers instead.

Thanks to the compromised nature of the FDA, Monsanto has received a yearly
multi-billion dollar license to kill through aspartame, one that it defends
relentlessly.  They have waged a campaign against stevia, the natural
zero-calorie herbal sweetener that is up to 300 times sweeter than sugar,
using the FDA - supposedly its "watchdog" - as an attack dog instead.
Claiming that stevia has not been proven to be safe as a sweetener (something
that aspartame has been certifiably shown not to be), the FDA, under intense
pressure and backing by Monsanto, banned it in 1991, then later lifted the
ban after receiving numerous complaints from outraged consumers.  Still,
stevia is only available as a food supplement, and manufacturers can't add it
to foods or drinks.  In

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: THE SECOND ANNUAL PEOPLE'S RALLY AT AREA 51






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written by Anthony J. Hilder:

THE SECOND ANNUAL PEOPLE'S RALLY AT AREA 51
TO EXPOSE THE LUCIFERIAN NEW WORLD ORDER

On the 6th hour of the 6th day of the 6th month (666), the 2nd Annual
People's Rally will be held at the periphery of what has been described as
America's most "TOP SECRET" underground bacteriological, biological and
chemical warfare test site.  This covert military facility operates
independently from the purview of Congress.

The rally, which will be held on Sunday (June 6, 1999) will be preceded by a
PRESS CONFERENCE on Saturday, June 5, at high noon at the Little A-le-Inn in
Rachel, Nevada.  This news conference (public is urged to attend) will
feature Ted Gunderson, former Chief Agent-in-Charge of the FBI in Dallas,
Memphis and Los Angeles, and Anthony J. Hilder, producer of the
ILLUMINATI/CFR expose.  Hilder and Gunderson will reveal what they envision
as being a series of staged events occuring over the next six months, which
will lead the nation towards the installation of martial law, the
cancellation of the Constitution and a move towards the acceptance of a One
World Government upon the ashes of all national sovereignty.  What has this
got to do with DREAMLAND (the secret facility) and future wars agains the
people of the United States and all sovereign nations of the world?  Come and
see.

This is an invitation for the public to attend and the press to cover this
historic event, which is intended to give answers and direction to avert an
impending international crisis.  There will be a seminar a the Little
A-le-Inn from 3 p.m to 5 p.m. and from 7p.m. to 9 p.m. on Saturday, June 5,
featuring four different speakers which will expand the information on the
national crisis which many in attendance feel will be coordinated with a
stock and currency crash coupled with a Y2K catastrophe.  If you're looking
for another UFOOLOGY event, this is not it.   The anti-gravitational flying
discs which are being tested at the Groom Lake site are not flown by aliens,
but rather pilots who live at the covert operations facility.

John Lear, once holder of seventeen different world flight speed and distance
aviation records, has been invited to participate.  You will be notified
within days if Mr. Lear (son of the founder of the Lear jet) will disclose
his latest revelations.

The Rally on Sunday, June 6 is a lawful public assembly in accordance with
the First Amendment.  It will take place on public land.  All in attendance
are CAUTIONED NOT TO CROSS BEYOND THE SIGNS POSTED WHICH INDICATE THE BORDER
OF THE BASE.  Everyone coming up from Las Vegas or down from Salt Lake are
URGED to fill up their tanks with gasoline in either Ash Springs or Alamo
BEFORE proceeding up to the Tikaboo Vally and/or the Little A-le-Inn as there
are NO gas stations for fifty miles.

Three major topics will be addressed at the Seminar.   (There will be a $4.00
 charge).

1. FRANKENSTEIN FACTORIES  There is evidence which would lead us to
believe that genetic engineering, cloning and cross-species gene splicing are
being conducted.
2. BACTERIOLOGICAL, BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL WARFARE WEAPONRY
3. ANTI-GRAVITATIONAL FLYING DISCS that may be used to stage a mock invasion
to create panic and usher in a Global Government under ILLUMINAZI control.

For more information, please contact:
Joe and Pat Travis at the Little A-le-Inn
HCR 61 Box 45
Rachel, NV 89001  (702) 729-2515

Press Contact:   Anthony J. Hilder at (310) 288-6656


SCHEDULE:

Saturday, June 5, 199912 noon:
Press Conference  (public is urged to attend)

Seminars from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m.
and also from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.

Sundary, June 6, 19996 a.m.  to  9 a.m.
the main Rally at the Restricted Boundary Line on Groom Lake road

Breakfast in Rachel10 a.m.

11 a.m. to 1 p.m.:   Final seminars and conclusion.


For those in Las Vegas, listen to the LOU EPTON SHOW  on Friday, May 21, from
10 p.m. to midnight.  Topic:  The People's Rally at AREA 51
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Re: [CTRL] Nato:There is always a cost to defeat an evil.[was Waco an evil?]


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No, Howard.  I didn't make the whole thing up in order to discredit
libertarians.

I was shocked by the radio talk show host's comments.  He announced that
he was a follower of Ron Paul and a champion of "free trade."  Then, later
in the program, he made the amazing comment that he supported Clinton's
Yugoslav war.  His stated reason was that Milosevic was a tyrant and
presented a threat to the stability of Europe.  But I found it odd that a
champion of "liberty" would be supporting the indiscriminate bombing of
civilian targets and what has to be a destabilization of central Europe
for years to come.  But why exactly must Yugoslavia be crushed by NATO and
the US-EU alliance?  I don't think it has anything to do with concern for
Milosevic's atrocities.  We're not particularly concerned about
authoritarian regimes in other parts of the world... so, why Yugoslavia?

It clearly relates to the US/EU plan to set up a global trading system in
order to maintain the current political/economic status quo.  The New
World Order, our new rulers, are very concerned that the last
vestiges of "socialism" be eradicated in Europe.  Look at the pressure
being placed on the Scandanavian countries to give up the few remaining
protections they have for their workers.  If they don't surrender to
American and British interests, they will be economically punished.
The consolidation of Europe into a tight little trading unit is essential
to the overall plan of establishing global "liberty" and "free trade" for
all.

In order to have a global system of "free trade," national sovereignty
must be abolished.  After all, governments get in the way of private
capital, and
there's always the vague possibility that the citizens of the world might
ban together to fight back against the economic predators in their midst.
In order to prevent that from happening, it's important that government
always serve the interests of private capital.  And capital always moves
in one direction: concentration.  Big dog eats little dog and gets bigger,
so by its very nature, capitalism must expand into every corner of the
world.  There is always the thorny problem of overproduction...the
constant search for new markets and new populations to exploit.

The logic of the capitalistic system is not competitive...it's
monopolistic. Big dog
must get bigger and bigger.  Of course, there are pluses and minuses to
this dynamic.  The creative potential of human nature is harnessed in
radical new waysbut not all of these energies are positive.  They're
destructive as well.  In order for big dog to get bigger, a lot of people
must be sacrificed to the great god Mammon.

Now, interestingly, many
people on the left are cheering on this dynamic...because they see the
collapse of national economies and sovereign governments as a prelude to
what they envision will be the creation of a dictatorship of the
proletariat.  Once all of us are dragged into the New World Order "free
trade zone," everyone will be placed on an equal footing:  we will all be
reduced to serfdom, selling our wares in the "global marketplace."

Some leftists look forward to this "downsizing" or great leveling of the
world's population.  That is why so many on the left are champions of
economic integration and "free trade." Notice that Christopher Hitchens
and the editors of the New Republic are ardent believers in "free trade."
They see it as step forward.  By collapsing national boundaries and
reducing the world into trade zones...many leftists are arguing that labor
should become international(remember the old slogan, workers of the
world unite.)  So, they're ecstatic about the prospect of economic
integration.

Not surprisingly, there is a
strange symbiotic relationship between libertarianism and communism.  Both
libertarians AND communists want the dismantling of government.  But they
want deregulation for different reasons.  Libs see it as the triumph of
capital, while communists envision the collapse of national governments
and national economies as a prelude for the creation of a one world
government.

That's why economic nationalists like Pat Buchanan are discredited.
...The New World Order plan for globalization will go forward..probably
under the auspices of George Bush, Jr. in 2000.

Personally, I'm an economic nationalist.  I believe that government should
play a role in protecting the life, liberty and well-being of its citizens
from economic and political predators.  I oppose
libertarianism.  The "movement" is using the rhetoric of "freedom" and
"liberty" in order to usher in a one world government that will eventually
destroy what few civil liberties (I think of them as protections...for me,
protectionism is not a dirty word) we have left.

As far as capitalism goes, there's nothing wrong with the free market and
private wealth accumulation...as long as it doesn't present a threat to
the civil liberties of all us...  But the wealth accumulators are never

[CTRL] Is Clinton a war criminal? [survey]


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Place to Vote:

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Re: [CTRL] America Burns


 -Caveat Lector-

The lady was about 50 years old, not pregnant, and it was at Ramstein, not
Andrews.

Doc

Colleen Jones wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 I was raised around a lot of military people, Colonels, Navy
 Captainssat in garden parties with General Edwin Booth who was head
 of the Task Force - and met a General Robert E. Lee, once the USAF most
 valuable man, until he got into trouble in Germany.Life Magazine had
 done a tremendous story on him...he used to stay at my sister and
 brother-in-law's housesuddenly, a nervous breakdown and my sister
 then went to England where Phil set up Missile Bases, BMEWS - was Thor
 Chief.

 We had two doctors in the family - I had he privilege to work with an
 MI6 agent for 12 years - but I am or was then, just a researcher who
 also was involved with the Assassination Committee headed up by Bud
 Fensterwald.

 I simply said the one letter that this Bryan Weeks, M.D., Col., Ret.
 Resv. did not sound like what he claims to beI know in Germany a lot
 of troops were brainwashed by General Walker, who hwas having a
 breakdown and did General Lee.

 His reaction to having to wheel a General's wife at Andrews AFB (now I
 knew the CAPTAIN, NAVY CAPTAIN) at Andrews at one timeand no officer
 or a gentleman, would resent rolling a pregnant woman into a
 hospital...in fact, in some cases this was mandatoryonly a hospital
 aide with no manners, would complain of something like this.

 So the Doctor just hated to roll around a pregnant womanhe referred
 to me as "mommy", and on the other hand, seems to be hawking some snake
 oil type medicines for cancer, that according to the Mayo Cliniic, where
 years ago I had a cousin, Dr. Robert Rang, a neurosurgeon, on staff, who
 also was in what today they would call a Mash Unit during
 WWII.famous for his work duirng the War..doctors do not push
 pregnant women around.

 Yet, Mr. Weeks seems to respect his mother so much, on one hand, yet on
 the other, is about the most obnoxious ungentlemanly individual, I have
 ever read about on this list.

 So he did not like pushing the "mommy" to be around; well, I sat on
 bases where my brotherinlaw was always the CO; he, was a
 gentlemanand an honorable man.yet, I never saw Colonels pushing
 around pregnant women, other than their own wives - only aides did that
 type of work.

 I do not believe that Bryan Weeks is a doctor (M.D.) or a Colonelif
 he is, he's not only a quack, but should have been busted.

 Colleen

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[CTRL] Time magazine is the CFR's mouthpiece [Mad Madeleine and WWIII]


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WEDNESDAY
JUNE 02
1999


 Mad Madeleine and WWIII




By Samuel L. Blumenfeld
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Time magazine is the CFR's mouthpiece when it comes to getting its readers
to see the world through NATO-colored glasses. By reading Time's back
issues, you begin to see a pattern of persuasion as its experts give us
their New World Order slant on things. Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes not,
as when Strobe Talbott wrote in July 1992 that "perhaps national sovereignty
was not such a great idea after all" and that "the case for world
government" was clinched. It should be noted that Strobe is a Rhodes Scholar
and was Clinton's roommate at Oxford. He is now shuttling between
Washington, Brussels and Moscow to see if he can get the Russians to put
pressure on Milosevic to surrender to NATO unconditionally.
When Madeleine Albright, our Secretary of State, was asked recently on a
radio interview whether the Russians were helping us "negotiate" with
Milosevic, she replied that there were no negotiations going on. If
Milosevic wanted the bombing to stop, he simply had to accept and implement
all of NATO's demands unconditionally. We haven't heard such uncompromising
talk since World War II, when the Allies demanded unconditional surrender on
the part of the Germans and Japanese.

That is why on May 17, Time headlined its puff cover story on the Madame
Secretary as "Madeleine's War." Time explained, "In a literal sense of
course, that's not true these days. Now that it's become an armed conflict,
she plays a supporting role to the President, National Security Adviser
Sandy Berger, Defense Secretary Bill Cohen and the military brass." Those
are the intellectual cretins who believe it is moral to bomb the Serbs into
the Stone Age simply to prove that NATO must be obeyed, or else.

Stupid leaders can lead us into untold destruction without even trying.
Consider our own morally outstanding leaders: the president, a politically
corrupt pathological liar and adulterer; Sandy Berger, with the brain and
aplomb of a used-car salesman; our moronic war secretary, William Cohen, who
mouths drivel every time he speaks. And we all know the famous statement by
Madame Halfbright: "What's the point of having this superb military that
you're always talking about if we can't use it?" It doesn't occur to her
that the purpose of our military is to defend our country, not to wage
aggressive wars against others who have not harmed us. Hers is the talk of
an ignoramus who hasn't learned a single lesson in American history. Yet
Time is trying to persuade us that she is a wise and compassionate human
being who provides the moral backbone for this war.

Compassionate? Madeleine and her family once lived in Belgrade when her
father was Czech ambassador to Yugoslavia. So she knows the city and the
Serbs. Who knows what kind of hatred she's been harboring in her guts all
these years and is now getting great pleasure watching the Serbs suffer. Now
that NATO has destroyed Belgrade's electrical system, incubators can't work,
hospitals must perform their services under candlelight if they don't have
their own generators. Children are traumatized by the continued bombing, and
1,200 civilians have been killed.

But forgetting the suffering of the Serbs and the Kosovars whose plight
simply gets worse as the bombing increases, Madeleine's war is inexorably
setting the stage for World War III. When NATO shows the world that it is
now the 900-pound gorilla on the block, very few nations will be tempted to
resist NATO's demands. This has always been the goal of the New World Order
folks. The ruling world authority has to be ruthless enough, powerful
enough, and determined enough to make its rule supreme. You can't achieve
that kind of authority by being weak or compromising. The very fact that
NATO has become this kind of monster is an indication that the New World
Order has arrived.

As Arthur Schlesinger Jr. explained in Foreign Affairs in July/August 1995,
"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in
blood as well as in words and money." Whose blood will it be? The blood of
today's American high school students. And whose money will it be? The money
of the American taxpayer, which the Congress is already spending to pay for
the bombing of Yugoslavia. The fiscal budget for the year 2000 is already at
$1.74 trillion!

Actually, Yugoslavia and Milosevic are small potatoes when it comes to
establishing world hegemony for the CFR crowd. That's why NATO must win this
one hands down. They can't afford to lose to Milosevic. Otherwise, what
chance will NATO have where the stakes are bigger?

At the moment, their bigger sights are on Israel and Russia. China will be a
much more difficult nut to crack. But a world conflagration may make it
possible for the

[CTRL] Conspiracy Theory


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From www.zmag.org

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Conspiracy Theory

Michael Albert


NOWADAYS, WHEREVER they go, leftists encounter many questions from newly
political folks about this or that political episode--the October Surprise,
the BCCI scandal, Irancontra, David Duke--with an emphasis on who did what,
when, and with what knowledge and intent. They field far fewer questions
about the systemic causes of trends and events. People study the membership
of some rogue group. They ignore the structure of government and
corporations. How did this "fashion" come about? Where is it taking us?

Conspiracy Theory

A CONSPIRACY THEORY is a hypothesis that some events were caused by the
intractable secret machinat ions of undemocratic individuals. A prime example
is to explain Irancontra as the secret rogue acti ons of Oliver North and
co-conspirators. Likewise, another conspiracy theory explains the
hostage-holding in Carter's last presidential year as the machinations of a
"secret team" helping Reagan win the presidency. A conspiracy theory of Karen
Silkwood's murder would uncover the names of people who secretly planned and
carried out the murder . Bending usage, we could even imagine a conspiracy
theory of patriarchy as men uniting to deny women status, or a conspiracy
theory of the U.S. government as competing groups seeking power for their own
ends.

Conspiracies exist. Groups regularly do things without issuing press releases
and this becomes a co nspiracy whenever their actions transcend of "normal"
behavior. We don't talk of a conspiracy to win an election if the suspect
activity includes only candidates and their handlers working privately to
develop effective s trategy. We do talk about a conspiracy if the resulting
action involves stealing the other team's p lans, spiking their Whiskey
Sours, or other exceptional activity. When a conspiracy cause's some outcome,
the outcome woul d not have happened had not the particular people with their
particular inclinations come together.


Conspiracy theories may or may not identify real coteries with real
influence. Conspiracy theories:

(a) Claim that a particular group acted outside usual norms in a rogue and
generally secretive fashion.

(b) Disregard the structural features of institutions.

Personalities, personal timetables, secret meetings, and conspirators' joint
actions, claim attenti on. Institutional relations drop from view. We ask,
did North meet with Bush before or after the meeting between MacFarlane and
Mr. X? Do we have a document that reveals the plan in advance? Do phone
conversations implicate so and so? How credible is that witness?


Institutional Theory


IN AN INSTITUTIONAL theory, personalities and personal motivations enter the
discussion only as res ults of more basic factors. The personal actions
culminating in some event do not serve as explanation. The theory explains
phenomena via roles, incentives, and dynamics of underlying institutions. An
institutional theory doesn't ignore human actions, but the point of an
institutional explanation is to move from personal factors to institutional
ones. If the particular people hadn't been there to do it, most likely
someone else would have.

An institutional theory of Irancontra and the October surprise would explain
how and why these activities arose in a society with our political, social,
and economic forms. An institutional theory of Karen Silkwood's murder would
reveal nuclear industry and larger societal pressures that provoked her
murder. An institutional theory of patriarchy explains gender relations in
terms of marriage, the church, the market, socialization, etc. An
institutional theory of government emphasizes the control and dissemination
of information, the dynamics of bureaucracy, and the role of subservience to
class, race, and gender interests.

Institutions exist. Whenever they have sufficient impact on events,
developing an institutional theory makes sense. However, when an event arises
from a unique conjuncture of particular people and opportunities, while
institutions undoubtedly play a role, it may not be generalized and an
institutional theory may be out of place or even impossible to construct.

Institutional theories may or may not identify real relationships with real
influence on the events they explain. Institutional theories:

(a) Claim that the normal operations of some institutions generate the
behaviors and motivations leading to the events in question.

(b) Address personalities, personal interests, personal timetables, and
meetings only as facts about the events needing explanation, not as
explanations themselves.

Organizational, motivational, and behavioral implications of institutions
gain most attention. Particular people, while not becoming mere ciphers, are
not accorded priority as causal agents.



The Difference

TO SEE THE operational difference between conspiracy theory

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Der Fuhrer Invades Yugoslavia

NATO Bombs Albania

KILL 'EM ALL. LET CNN SORT 'EM OUT.

TIRANA, Albania, June 1 (UPI) - NATO warplanes dropped seven bombs on
Albania, injuring two Albanian soldiers, the Albanian Telegraphic Agency
has reported.
NATO admitted some weapons apparently landed on Albanian territory
today, and that one of Albania's "pillbox" bunkers had been destroyed.
Spokeswoman Monique Tufeli said NATO has no knowledge of anyone being
wounded by the errant bombs.

The Pentagon said any such bombing would have been directed at the
Kosovo-Albania border area, where Yugoslav army troops are battling the
Kosovo Liberation Army around Mount Pastric.

The bombs fell this afternoon between 2:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. local time
(8:30 and 9:30 a.m. EDT), the ATA correspondent in Kukes said. "There
was bombardment inside Albanian territory by NATO jets," the report
said.

At a briefing in Washington today, Pentagon spokesman Maj. Gen. Charles
Wald said NATO planes are targeting the Yugoslav army, which has troops
in the border zone.

"We don't plan to attack inside the Albanian border," Wald said, adding
that the actual borderline is very poorly defined.

The Albanian report said Xhevdet Shaqiri and an unidentified soldier
were wounded in the strong explosions. ATA said it was a shock for local
people, who did not expect NATO jets to bomb Albania.

Witnesses told ATA the explosion destroyed 10 bunkers and left craters
30 feet deep. Power lines were knocked down near Morini, the border post
where hundreds of thousands of Kosovar refugees have entered Albania.

Xhuni Myftari, a local spokeswoman for the Organization for Security and
Cooperation in Europe, told United Press International that a NATO jet
launched seven bombs 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) inside Albania.

Albania put its airspace under NATO control before the airstrikes
against Yugoslavia began 10 weeks ago. NATO also controls the only
Albanian international airport and a few military airports.

Albania is a member of NATO's Partnership for Peace program and aims to
be a full member.

Around Tirana, conspiracy rumors are spreading. Some say NATO is driving
Serb troops out of the area to convince refugees it is safe to return to
Kosovo. Others say NATO is bombing the border to test the strength of
the pillbox bunkers that are ubiquitous reminders of Albania's years of
political isolation.

UPI, June 1, 1999


Single Currency

Euro Hits a Low Against the British Pound

European Leaders Say, "Have faith, brother!"

EUROPEAN leaders are preparing to issue a "statement of faith" in the
single currency after it slipped to its lowest point against the pound
yesterday.
Sterling soared past three German marks for the first time since last
July and breached the level of 10 French francs for the first time since
May 4. The euro has fallen by 7.7 per cent against the pound since it
was launched at 70.55p at the beginning of the year. It is now worth
65.06p.

Its continuing decline thrust the Government plans to join the single
currency in 2001 or 2002 to the centre of the campaign for next week's
European elections. Tony Blair was forced on to the defensive as William
Hague urged him to drop a multi-million pound drive to prepare Britain
for joining the euro.

The Government has sought to play down the single currency in the run-up
to the June 10 elections. But Mr Hague accused Mr Blair and Gordon
Brown, the Chancellor, of "burying their heads in the sand" and ignoring
the truth about the euro.

Francis Maude, the shadow chancellor, said that the Government was "in
denial" on the issue. He said: "While more and more of our leading
commentators urge caution and pragmatism, Labour continues its headlong
rush to scrap the pound."

Downing Street hit back by claiming that it would be an "act of folly"
to abandon preparations for Britain to be in a position to decide
whether to join the euro after the next election. The Prime Minister's
spokesman said that Mr Blair had not shifted on the single currency. The
spokesman said: "The Government believes it would be in Britain's
interests to join a successful single currency. The intention to join is
real - and so are the conditions."

Today Mr Brown will reaffirm that the Government is pressing ahead with
plans that could axe the pound within five years. He will say that Mr
Hague's call for the scrapping of the National Changeover Plan -
practical preparations for 3.5 million businesses, ranging from the
corner shop to multi-national companies - as "the height of
irresponsibility. Mr Brown will tell the West Midlands CBI: "Having
failed to prepare in any year up to 1997, the Tories now want to ensure
that no preparations are made for the euro at all."

But there is concern in Government that the slide in the euro is playing
into the Tories' hands. Robin Cook, the Foreign Secretary,

[CTRL] The SWISS connection in the Kosovo war...


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Subject: The SWISS connection in the Kosovo war...
From: ryb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 8:10 AM
Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Maybe people areu naware tha the SWISS recently pulled a fast one on
ITALY !

In guise of HUMANITARIAN aid 50 old SWISS army trucks,filled with food
,blankets etc, bound for the KOSOVAR refugees was having a hard tiem
reaching them..

 All the drivers were SWISS volonteers..When they go to the Italy
border,the conviy was held up for days are different posts...
  The  SWISS  equivalent of Foreign Minister had to go to Italy to iron
things out..Finally,out of despair,all the SWISS volonteers drivers quit
and left it to Italy to take the good to their final destination..

 This was a big fuss on SWISS TV-for about 2 weeks,then silence...!

 The Italians finally bowed to (NATO,no doubt) pressures and the trucks
are arriving in Albania..Then when they are emptied they will  be
donated to volunteer organisations to transport AID to various Kosovar
refugee camps scattered across Albania..

 So is is WRONG with the ABOVE ?

Simply that NATO,CIA,etc are USING International AID organizations to
transfer arms to the KLA,drugs,etc...do spying activities
lready you have 3 m3mebrs of CARE accused of spying in Kossovo ;they
are(Australians natives and Kosovars) being judged by a Serbian Military
Court.

 Earlier(2 weeks ago) the Italians caught a CARITAS convoy sponsered by
the RCatholic Church and SWITZERLAND that had ARMS destined for the
KLA...

  The Italians suspected that the SWISS truck convoy was a ploy-the
trucks to go to the KLA to transport troops..It appears that they were
right..already reports by journalists mention KLA members moving troops
in old SWISS army trucks..

 So there you have it if you can read the news...

Yours,ryb

P.S. The Italians did NOT want the trucks to go to Albania-but bowed
under NATO pressure..funny tha the US ?western press did not make a big
deal out of this..-except in Italy,Switzerland,etc..

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From: "Joe Long" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 12:20 AM
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The entire text can be found here:
http://mai.flora.org/library/yu/rambouil.html

The proposed status of autonomy for Kosovo would have meant that Kosovo would
have received its own government, supreme court and
security forces. The Kosovo government would have been able to negate laws
passed by the federal legislature and to conduct its
own foreign policy - both rights that neither the US states nor the states of
Germany possess.

Look at some excerpts of the accord proposal:

Chapter 4a, Article I -- "The economy of Kosovo, shall function in accordance
with free market principles."

It is crystal clear whose interests are being advanced here: Kosovo has
substantial mineral resources, including the richest mines
for lead, molybdenum, mercury and other metals in all of Europe. Obviously
one cannot leave the control over such resources to an
independent Yugoslavia.

 Chapter 5, Article V -- "The CIM [*] shall be the final authority in theater
regarding interpretation of the civilian aspects of
this Agreement, and the Parties agree to abide by his determinations as
binding on all Parties and persons." *Chief of the
Implementation Mission Chapter 7, Article XV -- "The KFOR [NATO] commander is
the final authority in theater regarding
interpretation of this Chapter and  his determinations are binding on all
Parties and persons."

In other words, two foreign commanders would have had the power to overturn
elections, shut down organizations and media, and
overrule any decisions made by a provincial or the federal governments
regarding Kosovo. These are terms of occupation, not those
of an agreement acceptable to a soveriegnstate.
==

Just for fun..

My bumper sticker ideas...

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   "We need a Leader, not a Liar"
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  "Clinton Sucks"
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   Clinton=Hitler-you make the call
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   "Bill Bombs Babies"
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   Pull out now..eww Bill, my dress
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Support NATO, Bill's private army
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they won't succeed, but they will come.
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 Yugoslav war.  His stated reason was that Milosevic was a tyrant and
 presented a threat to the stability of Europe.  But I found it odd that a
 champion of "liberty" would be supporting the indiscriminate bombing of
 civilian targets and what has to be a destabilization of central Europe
 for years to come.  But why exactly must Yugoslavia be crushed by NATO and
 the US-EU alliance?  I don't think it has anything to do with concern
 for Milosevic's atrocities.  We're not particularly concerned about
 authoritarian regimes in other parts of the world... so, why Yugoslavia?

Let's see, a dozen or so civilian hits [bridges, hospitals, houses etc]
out of the tens of thousands of sorties flown, is "indiscriminate bombing
of civilian targets"??  If the intention was to target civilians, then
NATO has really fucked up, eh?  I mean, if *I* wanted to bomb civilians,
I'd make sure every Serb town was just a smoking pile of rubble by now.
NATO could re-create the Dresden fire-bombing pretty easily, with Beograd
as the cinder.  Has that happened yet?

Why Yugoslavia, and not similar [or worse] genocides around the world?
How about: because Yugoslavia is in Europe; because Yugoslavia is where
the World War of this century started [phase II was just a continuation
of phase I, after re-arming]; because Yugoslav disorders threaten to
suck-in the surrounding countries: Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania,
Russia, Hungary, Austria, Italy?  Could these be valid factors?

I think bombing for democracy, killing for peace, is like fucking for
virginity.  I think the NATO campaign has been a major fuck-up.  The
Serb regime fronted by Milosevic should have been taken out years ago,
by other means.  The oligarchs that support him should have had their
foreign accounts frozen, their foreign properties seized.  The regime
should have been destabilized and discredited, like the op against
Allende in Chile.  Much could have been done, short of taking military
action.  By being forced into a position where bombing was the only
seeming option, NATO strategists were especially stupid.  Which just
goes to show that a committee has 19 heads and no brains, eh?  If
there's an anti-Serb conspiracy, it's pretty incompetent.

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   MER - Washington, 2 June:  Different styles and temperaments, true.
Different supporters as well. And a chance for the Arafat group to take a
deep breath and squander abit more time and hope, and for "liberal"
American Jews to pretend some more, also true.  But when it comes to
actual policies...well there the differences are far harder to find.
Indeed, just read this article in yesterday's Ha'aretz, Israel's
leading newspaper, remembering that what Barak is doing now is precisely
the same thing Netanyahu did last year.  OK, we know...we've warned you
to watch out for this kind of thing before!  Good Cops/Bad Cops is a
constant theme in Israeli manuevering when it comes to the political
theatrics of dealing with both the Arabs and the Americans.
   Meanwhile, most importantly of all, the settlements continue to
expand, the viable land continues to be gobbled up by the occupying
power, the demolition of Palestinian homes continues, and for Jewish
expansion purposes the borders of eastern Jerusalem have now been
extended far into the desert further severing the West Bank with a
stretch now annexed to Israel.



   BARAK MAY "SKIP" TO FINAL STATUS TALKS
 By David Makovsky, Diplomatic Correspondent

[Ha'aretz, 1 June 1999]: Prime Minister-elect Ehud Barak is considering
whether to consult with the U.S. and the Palestinians about not
implementing the Wye agreement and instead jumping directly to final
status talks, Labor Party sources say.

According to aides, Barak is planning to omit the implementation of the
Wye agreement from the coalition guidelines, although they will mention
the Oslo accords.

Until now, the Palestinians and the U.S. have been assuming that Barak
would immediately implement the last two stages of the Wye accord when he
becomes prime minister.

In 1995, after he joined the Rabin government, Barak was the only member
of the inner circle dealing with peace negotiations who opposed the
interim pullbacks put forward in the Oslo II agreement, preferring that
everything be left for the final accord.

Should Barak hold consultations, they will be based on the premise that
his government will have the political clout - which the Netanyahu
government lacked - to deliver a final status deal, and hence there is no
need for interim steps.

According to a Labor Party source, "Barak is considering talking to the
U.S. and the Palestinians about not implementing Wye and going straight
to final status. He has not made a final decision.

"However, even if he does so, he would not unilaterally jump to final
status against the wishes of the U.S. and the Palestinians, since [Wye]
is an international agreement signed by the government of Israel."

The Netanyahu government withdrew from 2 percent of the estimated 13
percent of the territories due to be handed over under the Wye agreement.

Barak's thoughts of skipping over the Wye agreement comes at the same
time as he has told the National Religious Party (NRP) that settlement
activity can continue under certain conditions. "Barak said clearly that
he won't freeze settlements," stated NRP head Education Minister Yitzhak
Levy.

Even if Barak goes ahead with Wye, keeping mention of it out of the
government's statement of principles could also make it easier for Barak
to woo right-wing elements such as the NRP.

"We are worried about the intentions of this new government. During its
campaign, the Labor Party said funds would be for schools, not
settlements," said Faisal Husseini, the top PLO official in Jerusalem.
"To bring into the government parties that support settlement makes us
wonder about the intentions of this government.


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Monsanto's aspartame is degraded to methyl alcohol at temperatures about
86 degrees.
The alcohol then deteriorates to formaldehyde and formic acid. These
chemicals are toxic to the optic nerve and the nervous system in
general, especially to the insulating myelin sheath of nerve fibers. The
incidence of multiple sclerosis, a demyelinating disease, has now
reached epidemic proportions since aspartame has been on the market.

Byron Weeks, MD



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Beast of the Month - May 1999
Monsanto, Korporate Chemical Giant

"I yam an anti-Christ..."
John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) of The Sex Pistols, "Anarchy in the UK"

Sometimes, evil is obvious and in your face: take, for example, the NATO
bombings of Kosovo, or the school massacre at Littleton, Colorado.  At other
times, however, evil is secretive and hidden, and when that happens, it often
hides in the most unlikely place: out in the open.  This is the most popular
place to hide for huge multi-national korporations such as Monsanto, The
Konformist Beast of the Month, the U.S.-based chemical behemoth whose
products are loved and consumed regularly by Americans, despite the fact that
even a marginal inspection of their history would reveal a shocking pattern
of deceit and contempt for its customers.

For those of you who are unaware, Monsanto is best known for introducing the
sugar substitute aspartame, which they sell under the brand names of
NutraSweet and Equal.  Contrary to what the name "NutraSweet" implies,
however, aspartame is not nutritious, and is quite unhealthy, having earned
the nickname "NutraPoison" from critics.  As reported in Alex Constantine's
now-classic underground conspiracy expose "Psychic Dictatorship in the USA"
(in the aptly-titled chapter devoted to Monsanto and NutraSweet "The Swirl
and the Swastika"), as well as the work of noted Monsanto critic Betty
Martini of Mission Possible, aspartame has been documented to cause
headaches, numbness, fatigue, blurred vision and blindness, heart
palpitations, brain lesions and tumors, memory loss, dizziness, muscle
spasms, irritability, anxiety attacks, vertigo, seizures, rashes,
tachycardia, tinnitus, joint pain, nausea, mood alterations and depression,
hearing loss, slurred speech, loss of taste, and insomnia, as well as erode
intelligence and short-term memory.  It also helps trigger multiple
sclerosis, epilepsy, chronic fatigue syndrome, Epstein Barr, Parkinson's,
Alzheimer's, diabetes, mental retardation, lymphoma, and birth defects.  No
real surprise here: originally, aspartame was categorized as a biochemical
warfare weapon by the Pentagon in a list submitted to Congress. In 1969, Dr.
Harry Waisman studied the effects of aspartame on primates, and seven infant
monkeys were fed the chemical in milk. One died after 300 days, 5 others had
Grand Mal seizures. These findings were deleted from the report to the FDA.
MIT researchers surveyed 80 people who suffered brain seizures after eating
or drinking products with Aspartame, and the Community Nutrition Institute
states: "These 80 cases meets the FDA's own definition of an imminent hazard
to the public health, which requires the FDA to expeditiously remove a
product from the market."

Despite this, NutraSweet was in over 9,000 foods by 1997 and on nearly every
restaurant table.  The irony is that the two things aspartame is most often
marketed for, diabetes and weight loss, it has been shown to not be
beneficial for.  According to  Dr. H. J. Roberts, after summarizing 58
diabetic aspartame reactors, "I now advise ALL patients with diabetes and
hypoglycemia to avoid Aspartame products."  Further, aspartame triggers a
craving for carbohydrates, hardly the reaction wanted for those trying to
lose pounds.  The FDA has received more than 10,000 consumer complaints over
aspartame, approximately 80% of all complaints about food additives since
being introduced to the market.  If the FDA was an honest organization,
NutraSweet would not have ever been approved: fortunately for Monsanto, that
isn't the case. Former FDA Commissioner Arthur Hayes overruled his own board
of inquiry to approve aspartame (claiming, falsely, that criticism was
"anecdotal") then went to work for a public relations firm retained by G.D.
Searle (the company which introduced the product that was acquired by
Monsanto in 1985.)  Federal attorney Sam Skinner was assigned to prosecute
Searle for fraudulent tests in their application, but switched sides and went
to work for Searle's lawyers instead.

Thanks to the compromised nature of the FDA, Monsanto has received a yearly
multi-billion dollar license to kill through aspartame, one that it defends
relentlessly.  They have waged a campaign against stevia, the natural
zero-calorie herbal sweetener that is up to 300 times sweeter than sugar,
using the FDA - supposedly its

[CTRL] [Fwd: Konformist: THE SECOND ANNUAL PEOPLE'S RALLY AT AREA 51]






Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com

From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

written by Anthony J. Hilder:

THE SECOND ANNUAL PEOPLE'S RALLY AT AREA 51
TO EXPOSE THE LUCIFERIAN NEW WORLD ORDER

On the 6th hour of the 6th day of the 6th month (666), the 2nd Annual
People's Rally will be held at the periphery of what has been described as
America's most "TOP SECRET" underground bacteriological, biological and
chemical warfare test site.  This covert military facility operates
independently from the purview of Congress.

The rally, which will be held on Sunday (June 6, 1999) will be preceded by a
PRESS CONFERENCE on Saturday, June 5, at high noon at the Little A-le-Inn in
Rachel, Nevada.  This news conference (public is urged to attend) will
feature Ted Gunderson, former Chief Agent-in-Charge of the FBI in Dallas,
Memphis and Los Angeles, and Anthony J. Hilder, producer of the
ILLUMINATI/CFR expose.  Hilder and Gunderson will reveal what they envision
as being a series of staged events occuring over the next six months, which
will lead the nation towards the installation of martial law, the
cancellation of the Constitution and a move towards the acceptance of a One
World Government upon the ashes of all national sovereignty.  What has this
got to do with DREAMLAND (the secret facility) and future wars agains the
people of the United States and all sovereign nations of the world?  Come and
see.

This is an invitation for the public to attend and the press to cover this
historic event, which is intended to give answers and direction to avert an
impending international crisis.  There will be a seminar a the Little
A-le-Inn from 3 p.m to 5 p.m. and from 7p.m. to 9 p.m. on Saturday, June 5,
featuring four different speakers which will expand the information on the
national crisis which many in attendance feel will be coordinated with a
stock and currency crash coupled with a Y2K catastrophe.  If you're looking
for another UFOOLOGY event, this is not it.   The anti-gravitational flying
discs which are being tested at the Groom Lake site are not flown by aliens,
but rather pilots who live at the covert operations facility.

John Lear, once holder of seventeen different world flight speed and distance
aviation records, has been invited to participate.  You will be notified
within days if Mr. Lear (son of the founder of the Lear jet) will disclose
his latest revelations.

The Rally on Sunday, June 6 is a lawful public assembly in accordance with
the First Amendment.  It will take place on public land.  All in attendance
are CAUTIONED NOT TO CROSS BEYOND THE SIGNS POSTED WHICH INDICATE THE BORDER
OF THE BASE.  Everyone coming up from Las Vegas or down from Salt Lake are
URGED to fill up their tanks with gasoline in either Ash Springs or Alamo
BEFORE proceeding up to the Tikaboo Vally and/or the Little A-le-Inn as there
are NO gas stations for fifty miles.

Three major topics will be addressed at the Seminar.   (There will be a $4.00
 charge).

1. FRANKENSTEIN FACTORIES  There is evidence which would lead us to
believe that genetic engineering, cloning and cross-species gene splicing are
being conducted.
2. BACTERIOLOGICAL, BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL WARFARE WEAPONRY
3. ANTI-GRAVITATIONAL FLYING DISCS that may be used to stage a mock invasion
to create panic and usher in a Global Government under ILLUMINAZI control.

For more information, please contact:
Joe and Pat Travis at the Little A-le-Inn
HCR 61 Box 45
Rachel, NV 89001  (702) 729-2515

Press Contact:   Anthony J. Hilder at (310) 288-6656


SCHEDULE:

Saturday, June 5, 199912 noon:
Press Conference  (public is urged to attend)

Seminars from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m.
and also from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.

Sundary, June 6, 19996 a.m.  to  9 a.m.
the main Rally at the Restricted Boundary Line on Groom Lake road

Breakfast in Rachel10 a.m.

11 a.m. to 1 p.m.:   Final seminars and conclusion.


For those in Las Vegas, listen to the LOU EPTON SHOW  on Friday, May 21, from
10 p.m. to midnight.  Topic:  The People's Rally at AREA 51
KXNT AM Radio   840 on your dial.

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Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold


 -Caveat Lector-

Yo, Let us all please tone down. The posts were/are not an attack on people's
faiths. Histories of religions are very much involved with conspiracy theory.

Please let us take invective discussion off  the list. The truth is for each
to find in his/her own relationship with the divine. mho

Om
K

May God bless us all.

-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Contrails 1100]

X-From_: 'deleted' Tue Jun  1 21:04:27 1999
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:45:44 -0700
Mime-Version: 1.0
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: deleted.net
Subject: FW: Unsettling Info

melmorgan writes:  greetings  Zeropointer...
CRITICAL: F.Y.I.

I found this forwarded e-m from a trusted brother in this circle rather
alarming and important to bring to your attention. The following was sent
to him from a most solid source in his.
Colored highlights by me.

Hi 'deleted'
I hope you are managing to enjoy the holiday in spite of the "unusual"
wind, and your panels have not blown away.

I wanted to share some curious information with you that came my way a
couple days ago when a fellow from Aspen called me to ask some questions
about Chem-Trail sightings in this area.  He had noticed a posting of
mine on one of the Chem-Trail websites and looked up my phone number.
He said the aerial spraying of the skies over Aspen lately by
military-looking tanker planes has a growing number of folks worried
because of the respiratory illnesses seemingly related to them.  After
we chatted a bit about this, he mentioned that his car had broken down
on the highway the other day, and a fellow from Cedaredge stopped to
give him a hand.  In their conversation Dave, the guy from Aspen, gave
the Cedaredge fellow a packet of information about the Chem-Trail
issue.  Then the Cedaredge fellow told Dave that he had passed a Colorado
Dept. of Trans. semi on McClure pass a couple of weeks ago that was being
pulled back onto the road after jackknifing.  Spilled on the side of the
road were many metal signs saying "ROAD CLOSED DUE TO MARTIAL LAW."

*{melmorgan adds: the McKlure Pass is an East/West highway going
through the Rockies in the vicinity of the area known as 'the four
corners'}*  e-mail cont's

I asked Dave for this fellows name and phone number so I could call him
to check this out, and Dave gave it to me.  So today I called the
fellow, and he asked me to please not mention his name to anyone.  He
didn't want to be connected in anyway with this story, and he seemed
genuinely frightened that Dave had given me his number about this.  He
said all he saw were the signs, but he didn't want to know anymore.  He
was trying to stay out of it and not lose any sleep over it.  But he
admitted that he definitely did see the signs.

So, while I was disbelieving at first, I now suspect this probably
really happened.  It sure isn't very comforting.  I wonder if we could
get anymore information if we called the CDOT people and asked them if
one of their trucks had an accident on McClure pass recently.

So being a nosy person I called Al Belick, a retired Navy officer who
I had heard interviewed on the radio last week about what our
"government" is up to these days.  He had worked in various top secret
military projects back in the 40's thru the 80's and mentioned that he
is agreement with David Icke's work.  I asked him a few questions, but
he was obviously sick with coughing fits so we only talked a few
minutes.  He said the coughing was from the chem-trails (are you
familiar with the Chem-Trail phenomenon, Brian?)which he had been
exposed to in NY recently.  He said he believes the chem-trails have to
do with a secret immunization program with a nasal Anthrax vaccine,
because the government expects some Anthrax attacks soon.  He also said
that he had heard that martial law was slated for October when we would
be in WWIII.  (Yikes!  This is more than I want to hear!)

So that's the scoop for now, friends.  I also received my video of the
interview of David Icke by Jon Rappoport.  I like it and think it would
make a thought-provoking public presentation.  I made a couple copies if
you have a VCR and would like to see it.  I was hoping to get up there
to swap books with you and check out your solar set-up, but my garden
kept me engrossed overtime here.  I'm thinking about sending a copy to
deleted.

bkDELETED.net
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"Discourage Y2K Compliance"
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response Visit Truth's Domain http://www.thewholetruth.com "As the flame is bound to 
the coal." "Flexibilty without bending."X-From_: 'deleted' Tue Jun  1 21:04:27 1999 
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:45:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
From: deleted.net Subject: FW:colorparam,,/param Unsettling Info 
/color melmorgan writes:  greetings  Zeropointer... CRITICAL: F.Y.I.

I found this forwarded e-m from a trusted brother in this circle rather alarming and 
important to bring to your attention. The following was sent to him from a most solid 
source in his. Colored highlights by me.

Hi 'deleted' I hope you are managing to enjoy the holiday in spite of the "unusual" 
wind, and your panels have not blown away.

 I wanted to share somecolorparam,,/param curious information with 
you that came my way a couple days ago when a fellow 
from/colorcolorparam,,/param

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Konformist: Beast of the Month - May 1999]

1999-06-02 Thread Eagle 1


 -Caveat Lector-

For more info on 'aspartame' go:
http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/Aspartame.html
The Bitter Truth About Artificial Sweetners.

It causes more damage than just to the nervous
system and the optic nerves.
(This information has been available for over 15 years.
Personally,  I don't touch the stuff,  knowingly, myself).

There are now reports showing that people who consume more
than one can of diet pop, or the same amount of nurtasweet i.e. aspartame
weekly,  they are building a serum level that acts in conjunction with HAARP
and/or ELF,  as a type of conductor;  which predisposes the central brain
operations,  acting as a type of magnifying agent.  So,  if "they" are using
these devices to cause 'passivity'...  those who consume artificial
sweetners
such as nutrasweet,  will become more passive than those who do not consume
the product.  Some even more than others depending upon what 'pulse' is
used.

If I can relocate these articles showing the evidence I will be sure to pass
them
on.

eagle1

-Original Message-
From: Dr Byron Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 11:09 AM
Subject: [CTRL] [Fwd: Konformist: Beast of the Month - May 1999]


Monsanto's aspartame is degraded to methyl alcohol at temperatures about
86 degrees.
The alcohol then deteriorates to formaldehyde and formic acid. These
chemicals are toxic to the optic nerve and the nervous system in
general, especially to the insulating myelin sheath of nerve fibers. The
incidence of multiple sclerosis, a demyelinating disease, has now
reached epidemic proportions since aspartame has been on the market.

Byron Weeks, MD


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[CTRL] billions for pentagon contractors-pittance for school books[socialists exposed]


 -Caveat Lector-

All the federal facilities of the Department of Education should be
padlocked.  NOW!!!

Bard

Visit me at:
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Federal Government defined:
a benefit/subsidy protection racket!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter L. Sroufe
 Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 8:11 AM
 To: Snetnews
 Subject: SNET: WORST SCHOOLS HAVE FEWEST BOOKS [more spent on drug-abuse
 programs]



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 OUR WORST SCHOOLS HAVE FEWEST BOOKS

  By SUSAN EDELMAN


 --
 --
 

  Many schools where fourth-graders flunked a recent state exam
 have shabby -
 if any - libraries, The Post has found.

 One big reason: The Board of Education, despite its $10 billion budget,
 spends a state allotment of only $4 per student on school library books.

 That $4 is only one-fourth the cost of the average hardcover: $16.60.

 Overall, city schools spend twice as much on drug-abuse programs,
 $30.41 per
 kid, as they do on library books and librarians combined - $14.81 per kid.

 In announcing that 67 percent of the city's schoolkids failed to meet the
 reading and writing standards of the new fourth-grade English
 Language Arts
 exam, State Education Commissioner Richard Mills reminded parents
 that every
 child should be reading at least 25 books a year.

 That's a struggle for youngsters in book-starved schools.

 "Kids need access to books," said Ray Domanico, education adviser for the
 Metro Industrial Areas Foundation, a group working in Harlem and
 other poor
 communities to beef up school libraries.

 "They need to be reading a lot. They need to develop a habit of
 reading. And
 many don't have books at home, so they really rely on the school library."

 This week, fourth-graders will face another rigorous test - New
 York's first
 statewide math exam. The three-part test will be administered today,
 Wednesday and Thursday.

 Last week's reading and writing exam requires kids to analyze all types of
 literature and compose essays. It was designed to prepare
 students for more
 rigorous Regents high-school exams.

 The library problem deeply concerns some parents and school board members.

 "Kids have got to have access to rich research materials - and to
 the thrill
 of research - to reach those high standards," said Ann McKinnon, a Queens
 mother who serves on the District 22 school board.

 City Schools Chancellor Rudy Crew has resorted to panhandling the
 public to
 help the Board of Education's poorest performers.

 Crew sponsors a ''Love to Read" literacy campaign, which recently ran
 newspaper ads with depressing illustrations of empty, cob-webbed
 bookshelves.

 "In New York City, this is as close as most third-graders get to
 'Charlotte's Web,'" the ad said, adding that fun books "are
 absent from too
 many classrooms."

 In response, generous New Yorkers have coughed up $250,000 to put about 80
 books in each of nearly 1,000 classrooms - including those in the
 97 schools
 on the list of the state's worst performers, and others in extremely poor
 neighborhoods.

 "We're trying to get to the most-needy schools first," said Karri
 Offstein,
 director of the drive.

 Meanwhile, even kids are trying to scrape pennies together for books.

 Third-graders at PS 137 in Bedford-Stuyvesant - where only 25.2 percent of
 fourth-graders passed the state test - held a penny drive this year to
 purchase them.

 They collected a grand total of $120.

 ''It's not much, but we'll buy paperbacks," said principal
 Carolyn Key. "You
 have to get it any way you can."

 A good library should have at least 10 books per child, experts say.

 But at PS 108, an average school in South Ozone Park, Queens - where about
 32 percent of the fourth-graders passed the state test - the library has
 only about two books each for its 1,500 kids.

 "And some books are very old," said principal Gloria Petitto. "We
 try not to
 throw out unless we can replace, and there are many books that are not
 current or attractive to children."

 "They like the new ones, the ones that are beautifully presented. The old
 ones don't get the same circulation."

 At overpacked PS 246 in the Fordham-Kingsbridge section of The
 Bronx - where
 26 percent of the fourth-graders passed the reading test - some teachers
 fill their classrooms with old books scrounged at flea markets.

 The school calls a small room with some computers and reference materials
 its library.

 "One of the big problems we have here is that parents are afraid to let
 their kids go out after school to the public library," said
 principal Frank
 Gonzalez.
 http://nypostonline.com/news/9166.htm


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[CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] SCIENTISTS FEAR ESCAPE OF ANTHRAX FROM RUSSIAN ISLAND

1999-06-02 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

 -Caveat Lector-

--
 From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [InTheShadows] SCIENTISTS FEAR ESCAPE OF ANTHRAX FROM RUSSIAN
ISLAND
 Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 9:46 AM

 From: "Hilary A. Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 X DRUDGE REPORT X TUESDAY, JUNE 01, 1999 22:09:58 UTC X

 SCIENTISTS FEAR ESCAPE OF ANTHRAX FROM RUSSIAN ISLAND

 American military scientists and intelligence experts have grown
concerned
 that hundreds of tons of anthrax bacteria which was secretly buried on a
 remote island by the Russians -- may escape!

 According to publishing sources, the NEW YORK TIMES is planning a Page
One
 exclusive report on Wednesday that runs over 3,000 words about the sludge
 that is buried on Vozrozhdeniye Island in the Aral Sea.

 The hundreds of tons of anthrax bacteria -- enough to destroy the world
 many times over -- was buried by the Russians in stainless-steel
canisters
 in the late 80's after Washington learned the Soviet Union was producing
 germs for weapons that the world had banned.

 Russian scientists thought they had destroyed the anthrax -- mixing the
 bacteria with bleach -- but recent tests show that some of the spores are
 still alive -- and potentially deadly, the TIMES reports.

 Because the Aral Sea is shrinking, "anthrax island" has grown from 77
 square miles to 770 and will soon be connected to the mainland.

 Experts now fear "the spores could escape, stirred up by carriers like
 rodents, lizards and birds."

 "Central Asian and American officials fear that, as access to the island
 eases, the buried anthrax could be used by terrorists to make more of the
 deadly agent."

 Developing on Wednesday...

 X X X X X

 PAPER: NATIONAL ZOO PANDA SERIOUSLY ILL

 Political relations between the United States and China may be ill -- but
 the health of Hsing-Hsing, the surviving member of the National Zoo's
 celebrated giant panda couple, is now reported to border of the grave.

 Hsing-Hsing, 28, is seriously ill with kidney dysfunction that may not be
 reversible, the WASHINGTON POST will report on Wednesday.

 Sonograms and a blood samples reveal that the panda that was given to the
 United States as a gift by the people of China during the Nixon
 administration is now suffering from "severe kidney dysfunction" and is
in
 very serious condition.

 X X X X X

 X DRUDGE REPORT X TUESDAY, JUNE 01, 1999 02:41:22 UTC X

 ART BELL FIGHTS BACK; LAWSUIT AGAINST SCHOOL MAY TURN UGLY

 **Update**

 The lawsuit filed by the son of radio talkshow sensation Art Bell against
 the Nye County School District and former substitute teacher Brian
Lepley,
 who has the AIDS virus and is serving a life prison sentence for sexually
 assaulting Bell, may turn ugly.

 But Bell is determined to fight.

 The crime against Art Bell's son was the reason Bell dramatically left
the
 air last October, the DRUDGE REPORT revealed over the weekend.

 But Brian Lepley has said he believes he was prosecuted the first time
 around for the crime of being gay in a small town and having a disease
that
 terrifies his neighbors.

 Lepley: "I was described as carrying death in my blood. This is
condemning
 a man because of his lifestyle."

 During closing arguments in Lepley's trial the prosecutor told the jury:
 "We all remember what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. Some people think
 America owes them an apology."

 During his trial, Lepley, 34, admitted to having sex contact with Bell,
 then 16, but adamantly denied he did anything criminal other than
 occasionally buy underage boys alcohol or bring them marijuana.

 There was one oral sex encounter which resulted in the assault conviction
 and life sentence.

 Lepley insisted his contact with Bell was a consensual act, and Bell did
 admit during the trial that he consented, but prosecutors argued and
 convinced the jury beyond a shadow of doubt that Bell was coerced through
 both intimidation and intoxication.

 "The boy didn't know where he was," the prosecutor said. "He thought
Lepley
 could beat him up, so when he was asked for total consent, the boy said
 'yes'."

 During Lepley's trail, five boys, whose ages range from 16 to 18,
testified
 that Lepley's attended their parties, bringing beer and marijuana. One
boy
 said that on May 16, 1997, Lepley took extra care to make sure Bell
smoked
 an excessive amount of marijuana and consumed a large amount of alcohol.

 [The ASSOCIATED PRESS reported at the time that the boy said he was taken
 May 16 to Tecopa Hot Springs, California, bound in chains.]

 Lepley insisted he told the teen-agers about his HIV status before any
sex.

 Prior to his conviction, he was the head of a support group for people
with
 the AIDS virus. As an activist, he said he would be the last person to
have
 unprotected sex.

 But during his trial, a friend of Lepley's, who is also HIV positive,
 testified that Lepley told him he was having sex with the two boys and
 asked

Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

1999-06-02 Thread Ric Carter


 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, AOL User wrote:
 
 Under your logic, not only Christians trying to prove Christianity
 reduce their religion to superstition and idolatry (sic?) but pagans
 and Moslems, too, no matter (l) whether you are aware of pagans trying
 to prove paganism or not, and (2) whether you know who the god of the
 Moslems is (Allah) or not.

 You DON'T know who the Islamic God is, DO you?  I CHALLENGE you to tell
 me just WHO the Islamic God IS (and "Allah" is NOT an acceptable answer)
 VIS-A-VIS THE GOD OF THE JEWS AND OF THE CHRISTIANS...

Mainstream Xianity is polytheism masquerading as monotheism.
The deities worshipped by the various Judeo/Xian/Muslim sects
are often quite different.  If any religious belief system was
'provable', it would now dominate humanity.  Entertaining, eh?

  Rev. RN Carter, ULC - "{JHWH} made me do it."

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Re: [CTRL] Nato:There is always a cost to defeat an evil.[was Waco an evil?]


 -Caveat Lector-

What gives us the right to kill Serbians?

We're morally superior?  We're a superpower and we can kill whoever we
want.  Serbian lives are worth less than American/NATO lives? The end
(getting rid of Milosevic) justifies the means (the murder of civilians)?

OKWe're bombing for reasons based on geopolitik.  Milosevic is a loose
cannon...a potential bad boy who will make problems for all of our
"allies" in the area.  So, the way to handle Milosevic is to establish a
military presence in the Balkans.  We'll be the cop on the beat keeping
everyone from slaughtering one another.  And just to make sure that
everyone behaves...we'll arm everyone to the teethback one side (the
Albanian "freedom fighters") rather than the wicked Serbs.  Great. Sounds
like a winning policy!!!

I know this might seem like an absurd ideabut why don't we stay out of
it and mind our own damned business.  Why is it in America's longterm
interests to play policeman in the Balkans?


On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Ric Carter wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 - Original Message -
 From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Yugoslav war.  His stated reason was that Milosevic was a tyrant and
  presented a threat to the stability of Europe.  But I found it odd that a
  champion of "liberty" would be supporting the indiscriminate bombing of
  civilian targets and what has to be a destabilization of central Europe
  for years to come.  But why exactly must Yugoslavia be crushed by NATO and
  the US-EU alliance?  I don't think it has anything to do with concern
  for Milosevic's atrocities.  We're not particularly concerned about
  authoritarian regimes in other parts of the world... so, why Yugoslavia?

 Let's see, a dozen or so civilian hits [bridges, hospitals, houses etc]
 out of the tens of thousands of sorties flown, is "indiscriminate bombing
 of civilian targets"??  If the intention was to target civilians, then
 NATO has really fucked up, eh?  I mean, if *I* wanted to bomb civilians,
 I'd make sure every Serb town was just a smoking pile of rubble by now.
 NATO could re-create the Dresden fire-bombing pretty easily, with Beograd
 as the cinder.  Has that happened yet?

 Why Yugoslavia, and not similar [or worse] genocides around the world?
 How about: because Yugoslavia is in Europe; because Yugoslavia is where
 the World War of this century started [phase II was just a continuation
 of phase I, after re-arming]; because Yugoslav disorders threaten to
 suck-in the surrounding countries: Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania,
 Russia, Hungary, Austria, Italy?  Could these be valid factors?

 I think bombing for democracy, killing for peace, is like fucking for
 virginity.  I think the NATO campaign has been a major fuck-up.  The
 Serb regime fronted by Milosevic should have been taken out years ago,
 by other means.  The oligarchs that support him should have had their
 foreign accounts frozen, their foreign properties seized.  The regime
 should have been destabilized and discredited, like the op against
 Allende in Chile.  Much could have been done, short of taking military
 action.  By being forced into a position where bombing was the only
 seeming option, NATO strategists were especially stupid.  Which just
 goes to show that a committee has 19 heads and no brains, eh?  If
 there's an anti-Serb conspiracy, it's pretty incompetent.

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Re: [CTRL] Is Clinton a war criminal? [survey]


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Yes.  And so is Milosevic and Blair and the rest of the corrupt NWO crew.

We need to stay out of it.

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Peter L. Sroufe wrote:

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 Place to Vote:

 http://www.becounted.com/

 Main Page:

 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

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[CTRL] Subject: [CTRL] . . . [socialists exposed

1999-06-02 Thread Eagle 1

We can thank at least one of our wonderful 'secret societies' for
lobbying
and gaining control of the Educational Processes in this country. The

sad part about it is, it happened right under our noses and no one
seemed
to see it coming, with first influences of this century being John Dewey
back
in the early 1920's.
Though I've posted this before, it deems a repost, in light
of the information
brought forth in this post regarding the American Public School
System.
What business do they have with a hand in the Public Schools of this
country?
I've asked several of their notable leaders before, and the question
was ignored.
However, proof lies in their own creed, that, by the way is no
longer published.
And just because it is no longer published in this form, does not
mean that
they have abandoned the ideology, nor the goal behind it. Rather they
have
submersed their true intentions, with other subversive
storefronts.
Who rules? You decide.
We can learn the plan straight from the Mason's creed:THE
SCOTTISH RITE CREEDThe cause of human progress is our cause,the
enfranchisement of human thought our supreme wish,the freedom of human
conscience our mission, and the guarantee of equal rights to all people
everywhere,the end of our
contention.---To
implement this our Supreme Council of the Mother Jurisdiction favorspride of
patriotism, love of flag and country, respect for law and
order,loyalty to the principles of sovreignty of the people and of citizen
control, civil and religious liberty, and free enterprise,as set forth
in our Constitution and Bill of Rights;And enlightened citizenry through
the American Public Schools and for alien adults the inculcation of American
Principles;The use of English as the principal language of instruction
in the grammar grades of our Public Schools;The complete separation
of Church and State, and opposition to any direct or indirect divisions of
public fundsto church related schools or
institutions.---quoted
from the cover of the 'NEW AGE MAGAZINE'volume XCIV no. 5May
1986

The cover of this addition has a photo of the infamous
Mr. Positive Thinking himself,
Titled: Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, 33rd degree,
with the background of an eagle to his left.

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contractors-pittance for school books[socialists
exposed] -Caveat Lector-All the federal
facilities of the Department of Education should bepadlocked.
NOW!!!BardVisit me at:The Center for
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Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??


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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Now that I am being smeared by the venomous disinformation specialist,
Colleen Jones, on an almost daily basis, I must be telling the truth. I
guess the left liberals and the Clinton apologists are getting scared. I
notice that she hardly  ever gets the quotes right nor the facts
straight.

Dr Byron Weeks


wrong ballpark, wrong game, wrong city.

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Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??

1999-06-02 Thread Colleen Jones


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Hi E MaelI see you have met Doctor Quack

If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and walks like a
duck..it is a duck, and not a Colonel in the Air Force.

It it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it is
a Dr. Quack.

Anyone want to buy some snake oil?

Mommy Jones

Where did he get all those degreesUniversal Life??

Anyway, I know a duck when I see one.

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[CTRL] [12] From Major Jordan's Diaries


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an excerpt from:
From Major Jordan's Diaries
George Racey Jordan©1952 All rights reserved
LCCN 52-6448
Western Islands
395 Concord Avenue
Belmont. Massachusetts 02178
PRINTING HISTORY
Harcourt, Brace edition published 1952
Free Enterprise edition published 1958
American Opinion edition published 1961
The Americanist Library edition published 1965
170pps  out-of-print
--[12]--
CHAPTER TWELVE

How Russia Got U.S. Treasury Plates

I returned to Great Falls, for the last time as an Army Officer, on June
13th, since I had just been replaced by Lieutenant George Walewski Lashinski.
I was due to speak in Omaha on the 16th, and this was my last chance to say
good-by to my friends, including Colonel Kotikov. On a personal level, I had
always been very friendly with the Colonel; he was one of the most unusual
people I had ever known, and he had many likable traits as a human being. It
was only when politics intervened, or orders came to him from above, that his
attitude and manners became difficult.

During our farewell talk, Colonel Kotikov mentioned the "money plane" which
had crashed in Siberia and had been replaced. I asked what he meant by "money
plane." The U.S. Treasury, he explained, was shipping engraving plates and
other materials to Russia, so that they could print the same occupation money
for Germans as the United States was printing.

I was certain he was mistaken. I was quite sure that never in history had we
let money plates go out of the country. How could there be any control over
their use? "You must mean, Colonel," I said, "that we have printed German
occupation money for Russia and shipped the currency itself."

"No, no," he replied. He insisted that plates, colored inks, varnish, tint
blocks, sample paperthese and similar materials had gone through Great Falls
in May in two shipments of five C-47s each. The shipments had been arranged
on the highest level in Washington, and the planes had been loaded at the
National Airport.

I was still incredulous, but I was impressed enough to pass these remarks on
to Colonel Bernard C. Hahn, the Air Force Inspector who had come on as a
result of my trip to Washington.

Not until 1950 did I learn all the particulars about these money plates. The
full story has never been released to the general public, and only a few
people in Washington seem to know the details of this Lend-Lease scandal. I
see no reason why every citizen should not know how his public servants
handled such a grave matter in wartime.

The sum of money which we lost in redeeming the marks which the Russians
rolled off their presses, with no accountability whatever, appears to have
been $250,000,000! It was not until September, 1946, that we put a stop to
the siphoning of our treasury by refusing to redeem further marks. By this
time the plates had been in Russian hands over two years. At the closed
hearing in June 1947 Senator Styles Bridges, chairman of the Committee on
Appropriations, inquired of Assistant Secretary of War Howard C. Petersen:
"Does Russia still have the plates, so far as you know?"

Mr. Petersen: As far as I know, they still have the plates.

Chairman Bridges. And as far as you know, are they still printing the
currency?

Mr. Petersen: As far as I know, they are still printing the currency.

Chairman Bridges: And has there been any protest from this Government
endeavoring to stop them?

Mr. Petersen: There have been strenuous efforts from the Allied Control
Council in Berlin to obtain an accounting from the Russians as to the amount
of Allied military marks which they have issued. Those efforts have been
unsuccessful.[1]

Senator Bridges and Mr. Petersen had previously had this exchange:

Chairman Bridges: Was there any action taken by the War Department to
restrict the number of notes issued by the Russians?

Mr. Petersen: The answer of the War Department is "No."

Chairman Bridges. And, as far as you know, was there any action taken by the
State or the Treasury Department to restrict Russia in the number of notes
she would issue?

Mr. Petersen: To my knowledge, none.[2]

Mr. Petersen later stated: "I know when we stopped the use of them (the
Allied marks) in Germany. It was September 1946."

Here is the exchange between Senator William F. Knowland of California and
Assistant Secretary Petersen:

Senator Knowland. As I understand, there are $380,000,000 more currency
redeemed than there were appropriations for?

Mr. Petersen: That is correct

Senator Knowland. And you expect eventually that that amount will be cut down
to $160,000,000; is that right?

Mr. Petersen: Yes ...

Senator Knowland: Now what I would like to ask is, what is the amount
outstanding as of, let us say, the end of last month (May, 1947)?

Mr. Petersen: That is $340,000,000.[3]

The hearing continued for two days. At its end there were, 141 printed pages
of oral testimony, and in addition 31 pages of State Department documents, 59
pages of Treasury Dopartment documents, and 474

[CTRL] [5] Ritual Abuse


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an excerpt from:
Ritual Abuse
Margaret Smith©1993
HarperCollins Publishers
10 East 53rd Street
New York, NY 10022
ISBN 0-06-250214-X
213pps  out-of-print
--[5]--

Chapter 5

The Abusers

Most people don't understand the all-encompassing cycle of ritual abuse. They
think that getting away from the cults is as simple as making the choice to
leave. I know better Everyone raised in it and entrenched in the way I was
knows better

If you were raised in a cult, leaving is the most painful and difficult thing
you will ever do. Not only does the cult come after you most of the time, but
you have to worry about your own personalities beings manipulated and tricked
into returning. And the isolation and pain you feel as you leave is
unbearable. In order to protect themselves, survivors who were raised in
cults have to give up their entire family and all their friends to go into a
world that, overall, doesn't believe them or support their life changes in a
healing manner

The cult I was raised in has a history. People who are in it today are the
modern players of a religion that has been passed on for centuries. My
abusers were people. They were not monsters, even though what they did to me
was monstrous. Sometimes I saw their aching and longing for change. My
cult-boss once told me, I know what we are doing is wrong, but we don't know
how to stop it." Cult abusers are not there because ritual abuse is fun. Many
of them are there because they can see no way out.

Many violent cults keep their members by telling them lies that make members
feel self-hating and helpless. The lies are difficult to differentiate from
truth because the person telling the lies has been brainwashed. Everyone in
the cult believes the lies to be truth, and the insanity is passed on from
generation to generation as unquestionable wisdom.

I support survivors who hate their abusers. I respect survivors who swear to
themselves they will never turn out like the people who hurt them. I do not
want to deny survivors their right to feel angry.

This anger is justified; it is what gives us the power to change. But I also
want people to understand that for too many survivors, ritual abuse
victimization does not end in childhood.

CHILDREN WHO ARE TRAINED TO BE ABUSIVE

Cults that ritually abuse children set up situations in which children are
forced to molest and sometimes kill other children. Ritually abused children
are drugged, lied to, emotionally tormented, and manipulated with threats
until they commit the violent acts Children who react to their orders with
fear or sorrow are taunted and humiliated by other group members. The
children have no physical escape from the room in which the violence occurs.
They have no choice but to comply with the demands of their abusers.

Ritually abused children in these situations must adapt. They stop feeling
their initial emotions of fear and grief and replace these appropriate
emotions with behavior modeled by their abusers. They learn to laugh at
victims who writhe in pain. They make fun of people who are crying or afraid.
They adopt the belief systems of their abusers in order to avoid more pain.
These children are not bad. They are not evil. They are in a situation that
they cannot change, and they do whatever they have to in order to survive.

If the children continue to be exposed to the cult environment, they grow up
to act abusively in cults. Because they were raised in cults where they were
forced to abuse others, these trained abusers' minds are no longer their own.
Even though they abuse children in rituals-with no visible coercion-they are
still controlled by the cult. All the years of torture, training, and
manipulation are the unseen coercion that makes adult cult members feel
helpless to change.

Here is one personality's memory of the process:

I never abused animals or children outside of the cult experience. Most of my
rage and hatred was vented on the men I dated. I would fantasize about
killing them, but I never acted violently. I was afraid of being thrown in
jail. I was afraid of people hating me. My cult deliberately programmed me
never to be violent outside of the cult experience. This kept me from giving
away any secrets about the cult. It made me able to hold respectable roles in
the community.

I never remembered the ritual abuse in my daily life. If the cult wanted to
talk to me, they had to access me using triggers to speak to my cult
personalities. I was primarily involved in cult activities that took place in
the middle of the night.

Getting ready for a ritual was like going to the bathroom in the middle of
the night. I woke up in a seemingly hypnotic state. I wasn't excited. I
didn't feel anything. I was a zombie acting on orders. Once I arrived at a
ritual, I felt at home. I felt a final sense of relief and belonging, that I
no longer had to hide anything or pretend I was something I was not. it felt
great to finally be in my cult personalities, and I

[CTRL] Recommended Reading

1999-06-02 Thread Robert Tatman

-Caveat Lector-

I have just finished two books which ought to be required reading for every
member of CTRL.

(1)*Cryptonomicon*, by Neal Stephenson, Avon Books, 1999, hc; $13.75 at
Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380973464/qid%3D928339196/002-0162189-0076639
Neal Stephenson's writing has been described as "Pynchon on speed."
*Cryptonomicon* is no exception. The exceedingly complex plot jumps between
World War Two and the very near future. It revolves around a highly
sophisticated encryption technique developed by an eccentric genius working
for Allied intelligence, and the involvement of his grandson in a scheme to
create an offshore "data haven" in Southeast Asia. You may (in fact probably
will) find your head spinning, but you will definitely keep reading... CTRL
members will discover a great many hints about connections and
interconnections which lead in some *very* interesting directions.

(2)*Icefire*, by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, Pocket Books, 1999, pb;
$5.59 at Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067101403X/qid=928339881/sr=1-2/002-0162189-0076639
If this book were just a techno-thriller in the Tom Clancy style, it would
worth reading. But it is somewhat more. On one level *Icefire* is the story of
a Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST) officer and a Greenpeace-type
environmentalist as they race to head off a global catastrophe. A mysterious
conspiracy (whose identity becomes clear as the plot evolves) plants six
nuclear devices on the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica. When the bombs go off,
the ice slams into the ocean at 500 miles an hour, and a monster wave is born
that will soon threaten everything in the Pacific basin. I would recommend the
book just for the excitement...but there's more. Of particular interest to
CTRL will be the segments dealing with (are you ready for this?) HAARP and the
Aurora, including a fascinating and quite plausible account of what flying the
Aurora would be like. The book's authors obviously have some sort of inside
information, because their detail rings *very* true.

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] billions for pentagon contractors-pittance for school books[socialists exposed]


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Of course education is not a priority in America.  If Americans were to
become well educated, they might begin to question...and who knows where
that might lead.

In order for the NWO to rule, the population must be converted into
mindless robots...a soulless workforce to carry out the bidding of the
global masters.  Instead of critical thinking, we are given propaganda and
ideologya proliferation of rhetoric that masks and disguises the
growing social/economic  deterioration.  But no matter.  If the pain of
life becomes
too great...we have a plethora of drugs to help us escape: entertainment,
sports, legalized recreational drugs like alcohol and tobacco...and of
course, sex.  If that doesn't do the trick, one can become a
shop-a-holic.  Substance is replaced by spectacle..rhetoric replaces
dialogue and meaningful communication.  And if you sink into
despondency...well, according to the prevailing wisdom, you only have
yourself to blame, after all, right?  And if you really snap and do
something stupid, you might be shipped off to our own American version of
the gulag.

But besides building prisons, Americans have found a really great answer
to our economic decline: the gambling casino.  Almost every
state in the union has its legal rackets going  Well, since our
leadership, in their infinite wisdom, has decided that Americans no longer
need "low-tech" jobs, the nation needs something to take its place.

Casino gambling!  What a blessing!!! Don't worry about declining
schools and neighborhoods, declining wages, who cares if mom or dad
no longer have secure jobs just give the wheel a turn...maybe you'll
get lucky.  Casino gambling in a winner take all economy makes sense,
doesn't it?  There's a logic to it.


On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Eagle 1 wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 How about the disintegration of the composites of the NEA?
 Seems that would be more effective.

 eagle1

 -Original Message-
 From: Peter L. Sroufe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 11:41 AM
 Subject: [CTRL] billions for pentagon contractors-pittance for school
 books[socialists exposed]


  -Caveat Lector-
 
 All the federal facilities of the Department of Education should be
 padlocked.  NOW!!!
 
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 Visit me at:
 The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
 http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm
 
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 a benefit/subsidy protection racket!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter L. Sroufe
  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 8:11 AM
  To: Snetnews
  Subject: SNET: WORST SCHOOLS HAVE FEWEST BOOKS [more spent on drug-abuse
  programs]
 
 
 
  -  SNETNEWS  Mailing List
 
  OUR WORST SCHOOLS HAVE FEWEST BOOKS
 
   By SUSAN EDELMAN
 
 
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   Many schools where fourth-graders flunked a recent state exam
  have shabby -
  if any - libraries, The Post has found.
 
  One big reason: The Board of Education, despite its $10 billion budget,
  spends a state allotment of only $4 per student on school library books.
 
  That $4 is only one-fourth the cost of the average hardcover: $16.60.
 
  Overall, city schools spend twice as much on drug-abuse programs,
  $30.41 per
  kid, as they do on library books and librarians combined - $14.81 per
 kid.
 
  In announcing that 67 percent of the city's schoolkids failed to meet the
  reading and writing standards of the new fourth-grade English
  Language Arts
  exam, State Education Commissioner Richard Mills reminded parents
  that every
  child should be reading at least 25 books a year.
 
  That's a struggle for youngsters in book-starved schools.
 
  "Kids need access to books," said Ray Domanico, education adviser for the
  Metro Industrial Areas Foundation, a group working in Harlem and
  other poor
  communities to beef up school libraries.
 
  "They need to be reading a lot. They need to develop a habit of
  reading. And
  many don't have books at home, so they really rely on the school
 library."
 
  This week, fourth-graders will face another rigorous test - New
  York's first
  statewide math exam. The three-part test will be administered today,
  Wednesday and Thursday.
 
  Last week's reading and writing exam requires kids to analyze all types
 of
  literature and compose essays. It was designed to prepare
  students for more
  rigorous Regents high-school exams.
 
  The library problem deeply concerns some parents and school board
 members.
 
  "Kids have got to have access to rich research materials - and to
  the thrill
  of research - to reach those high standards," said Ann McKinnon, a Queens
  mother who serves on the District 22 school board.
 
  City Schools Chancellor Rudy Crew has resorted to panhandling the
  public to
  help the Board of Education's poorest performers.
 
  Crew sponsors a

Re: [CTRL] . . . [socialists exposed]

1999-06-02 Thread Eagle 1


 -Caveat Lector-

The problem is,  we do have an educated society,  known as the 'elitists'.
Those with money and affluence have been allowed to rule the roost.

There are some who do came from poverty and depravation to make the
honors,  but this is only allowed by the powers that be.  A showing so as
to "prove" that the 'elitists' are not being prejudiced or 'hate' mongers.
What a nice storefront for them.  Why do you think they track a student's
performance?  Used to be tracking did not start until 9th grade,  but now
they start 'making you what THEY want you to be' by the time you hit 1st
grade.  Influencing your choices of career ideals,  turning your interests
to
specialized areas by high school,  instead of teaching basic math, reading,
history, and english; not leaving the specializing to college, where it
should be.
Rather,  they want to know early,  what you can do for your country
in terms of productivity.  If you can't produce,  they don't want you... and
consequently encourage depravity,  quitting school and becoming a penal
statistic,  or a failure,  working by the sweat of the brow to earn minimum
wage;
or they teach you that you don't have to work,  just live off welfare.

The elitist,  socialist have a grip on this country.  Though it be by many
names,
the beast is devouring whom it will.  Starting with our children first.
Forming that
perfect society of elitists and outcasts...  they wish to agree with THEIR
NWO and soon to come despot.

If you can't produce,  or show the potential to produce,  they just 'can'
you...
and that which you described,  becomes reality at the lower levels.

Do the elitists care?  No,  and hell no!  They are happy you are there.  One
less piece of competition for them.  No wonder capitalism is going to hell
in
a handbasket.

eagle1

-Original Message-
From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] billions for pentagon contractors-pittance for school
books[socialists exposed]


 -Caveat Lector-

Of course education is not a priority in America.  If Americans were to
become well educated, they might begin to question...and who knows where
that might lead.

In order for the NWO to rule, the population must be converted into
mindless robots...a soulless workforce to carry out the bidding of the
global masters.  Instead of critical thinking, we are given propaganda and
ideologya proliferation of rhetoric that masks and disguises the
growing social/economic  deterioration.  But no matter.  If the pain of
life becomes
too great...we have a plethora of drugs to help us escape: entertainment,
sports, legalized recreational drugs like alcohol and tobacco...and of
course, sex.  If that doesn't do the trick, one can become a
shop-a-holic.  Substance is replaced by spectacle..rhetoric replaces
dialogue and meaningful communication.  And if you sink into
despondency...well, according to the prevailing wisdom, you only have
yourself to blame, after all, right?  And if you really snap and do
something stupid, you might be shipped off to our own American version of
the gulag.

But besides building prisons, Americans have found a really great answer
to our economic decline: the gambling casino.  Almost every
state in the union has its legal rackets going  Well, since our
leadership, in their infinite wisdom, has decided that Americans no longer
need "low-tech" jobs, the nation needs something to take its place.

Casino gambling!  What a blessing!!! Don't worry about declining
schools and neighborhoods, declining wages, who cares if mom or dad
no longer have secure jobs just give the wheel a turn...maybe you'll
get lucky.  Casino gambling in a winner take all economy makes sense,
doesn't it?  There's a logic to it.


On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Eagle 1 wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 How about the disintegration of the composites of the NEA?
 Seems that would be more effective.

 eagle1

 -Original Message-
 From: Peter L. Sroufe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 11:41 AM
 Subject: [CTRL] billions for pentagon contractors-pittance for school
 books[socialists exposed]


  -Caveat Lector-
 
 All the federal facilities of the Department of Education should be
 padlocked.  NOW!!!
 
 Bard
 
 Visit me at:
 The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
 http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm
 
 Federal Government defined:
 a benefit/subsidy protection racket!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter L. Sroufe
  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 8:11 AM
  To: Snetnews
  Subject: SNET: WORST SCHOOLS HAVE FEWEST BOOKS [more spent on
drug-abuse
  programs]
 
 
 
  -  SNETNEWS  Mailing List
 
  OUR WORST SCHOOLS HAVE FEWEST BOOKS
 
   By SUSAN EDELMAN
 
 
  --

Re: [CTRL] Hubbell/Hillary Charges Reinstated

1999-06-02 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 06/02/1999 5:41:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal appeals court reinstated a criminal charge
that
 Webster Hubbell engaged in a scheme to conceal legal work he and Hillary
 Rodham Clinton did on a fraudulent Arkansas land deal. 

Fabulous.  I hope my great-grandchildren get a big kick out of this thing.
I'm sure it will still be going on when they (as yet unborn) will be old
enough to take an interest in such things.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??


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Attached is my Resume'

Byron Weeks, MD


INTERNAL MEDICINE, RECERTIFIED 1977

February 1998   CURRICULUM  VITAE
[Retired 1995 due to Hypertensive Heart Disease, Degenerative Joint Disease]

Byron T. Weeks, MD
Magna cum Laude gradute of the University of Utah 1951 [Check with them}

Positions Held:
 Sierra Tucson Hospital for 4 weeks Aug. Sept. 1994.  (Addictionology)
 Address 16500 N. Lago Del Oro Pkwy, Tucson, AZ 85737

 Part Time Private Practice  Office only, 23 Red Rock Crossing, Sedona, AZ 86336
 from August 1993-March 1994.

 Locum Tenens: Samaritan Community Hosp. Springerville, AZ 85938 July-Aug, 1993
Arizona Western Clinic, Yuma, AZ, Sept. -Oct 1992
Locum for Juli Sampat,M.D. Winslow, AZ Nov.-Dec. 1992
Employed At GHMA 6565 E. Carondelet, Tucson, AZ May -Sept. 1992.

FHP Wetmore Medical Center, 698 E. Wetmore Drive, Tucson, AZ 85705
 Employed Aug.--December 1991 (contract).

CompHealth Locum Tenens for FHP in Salt Lake City, UT, 84107 at 4021 So 7th East,
April-1990-- March 1991.

Assistant Chief of Medicine VA Medical Center, 2400 Gregg Street, Big Spring, TX
August --Oct 1988. resigned because of a fall in which I sustained  a crushing
injury of left foot, with subsequent sub-talar fusion in June 1989 and was unable
to work until April 1990.

Private Practice May 1985--Aug. 1988, Sierra Vista, Arizona at 155 Camino Real
Internal Medicine. Hospital privileges at Sierra Vista Community Hospital.

Civil Service Physician, internal medicine,  Jan. 15-April 15, 1985 at Davis
Monthan Air Force Hospital. Tucson, Arizona 85707
Veterans Administration Medical Center Walla Walla, Washington,
77 Wainwright Drive, Chief of Staff August 1993--Jan. 1985.   Resigned because of
a family emergency.

U.S. Air Force Physician Nov. 1. 1974--July 2, 1983. Promoted to Colonel USAF MC
 Chief of Clinic Services Ramstein Air Base, West Germany Nov. 1974-July 1976.
 Chief of Medical Service, USAF Hospital, Davis Monthan Tucson, AZ   July,
1976--Aug. 1978
 Chief of Professional Services USAF Hospital, Bitburg West Germany, Aug.
1978--Aug 1981
Interim Hospital Commander, May--Sept. 1980.
 Chief of Professional Svc. USAF Hosp. Davis Monthan, Tucson, AZ  Aug. 1981--Aug
1983.


 Private Practice, internal medicine Idaho Falls, Idaho, Sept. 1961--October 1974

 Hospital Privileges at LDS Riverside Hospital and Sacred Heart Hospital 1961-1974

 Private Practice 1011 N. Craycroft, Ste. 305, Tucson, AZ,  1959--61
Clinic Practice, Thomas Davis Clinic, Tucson, AZ July 1957--July 1959

 Hospital Privileges at St. Marys Hospital, Tucson Medical Center, in Tucson, AZ
1957-1961



EDUCATION AND TRAINING:

Mayo Fellow in internal medicine July 1954--June 1957. University of Minnesota
Hospitals and  VA Medical Center, Minneapolis Minnesota.  Chief Resident Dept. of
Medicine, Ancker Hosp. St. Paul, MN 1956

Flight Surgeon, USAF 1952--54. (Korea)   Captain USAF MC

US Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine July 1952--Oct. 1952

Internship George Washington University Hospital, Wash. D.C. July 1951--June 1952

Doctor of Medicine   University of Utah, 1948-1951 Accelerated Program.

Pre-Medical University of Utah Sept. 1945--1948.  BA Degree 1949 after one  year
of Medical School.

Honors  BA  cum laude 1949. Gradated  5th in class in Medicine. Admitted to Alpha
Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society, 1950

Licensure: Arizona  # 13373

Board Certified   American Board of Internal Medicine 1967,  Recertified 1977.

Meritorious Service Medal, USAF 1981, first oak leaf cluster,1983


 Byron T. Weeks, MD


~~
Colleen Jones wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Hi E MaelI see you have met Doctor Quack

 If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and walks like a
 duck..it is a duck, and not a Colonel in the Air Force.

 It it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it is
 a Dr. Quack.

 Anyone want to buy some snake oil?

 Mommy Jones

 Where did he get all those degreesUniversal Life??

 Anyway, I know a duck when I see one.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
One last chance for you to quit defaming me. I plan to sue if you do not
immediately desist.

Byron T. Weeks, MD
~


you would do well to shut the hell up and sell youe SNAKE oil to someone
who gives a damn.

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so all of this makes you a qualified idiot. sell it someplace else where
somebody gives a damn.

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 -Caveat Lector-

Attached is my Resume'

Byron Weeks, MD


INTERNAL MEDICINE, RECERTIFIED 1977

February 1998   CURRICULUM  VITAE
[Retired 1995 due to Hypertensive Heart Disease, Degenerative Joint
Disease]

Byron T. Weeks, MD
Magna cum Laude gradute of the University of Utah 1951 [Check with them}

Positions Held:
 Sierra Tucson Hospital for 4 weeks Aug. Sept. 1994.  (Addictionology)
 Address 16500 N. Lago Del Oro Pkwy, Tucson, AZ 85737

 Part Time Private Practice  Office only, 23 Red Rock Crossing, Sedona,
AZ 86336
 from August 1993-March 1994.

 Locum Tenens: Samaritan Community Hosp. Springerville, AZ 85938
July-Aug, 1993
Arizona Western Clinic, Yuma, AZ, Sept. -Oct 1992
Locum for Juli Sampat,M.D. Winslow, AZ Nov.-Dec. 1992
Employed At GHMA 6565 E. Carondelet, Tucson, AZ May -Sept. 1992.

FHP Wetmore Medical Center, 698 E. Wetmore Drive, Tucson, AZ 85705
 Employed Aug.--December 1991 (contract).

CompHealth Locum Tenens for FHP in Salt Lake City, UT, 84107 at 4021 So
7th East,
April-1990-- March 1991.

Assistant Chief of Medicine VA Medical Center, 2400 Gregg Street, Big
Spring, TX
August --Oct 1988. resigned because of a fall in which I sustained  a
crushing
injury of left foot, with subsequent sub-talar fusion in June 1989 and
was unable
to work until April 1990.

Private Practice May 1985--Aug. 1988, Sierra Vista, Arizona at 155 Camino
Real
Internal Medicine. Hospital privileges at Sierra Vista Community Hospital.

Civil Service Physician, internal medicine,  Jan. 15-April 15, 1985 at
Davis
Monthan Air Force Hospital. Tucson, Arizona 85707
Veterans Administration Medical Center Walla Walla, Washington,
77 Wainwright Drive, Chief of Staff August 1993--Jan. 1985.   Resigned
because of
a family emergency.

U.S. Air Force Physician Nov. 1. 1974--July 2, 1983. Promoted to Colonel
USAF MC
 Chief of Clinic Services Ramstein Air Base, West Germany Nov. 1974-July
1976.
 Chief of Medical Service, USAF Hospital, Davis Monthan Tucson, AZ   July,
1976--Aug. 1978
 Chief of Professional Services USAF Hospital, Bitburg West Germany, Aug.
1978--Aug 1981
Interim Hospital Commander, May--Sept. 1980.
 Chief of Professional Svc. USAF Hosp. Davis Monthan, Tucson, AZ  Aug.
1981--Aug
1983.


 Private Practice, internal medicine Idaho Falls, Idaho, Sept.
1961--October 1974

 Hospital Privileges at LDS Riverside Hospital and Sacred Heart Hospital
1961-1974

 Private Practice 1011 N. Craycroft, Ste. 305, Tucson, AZ,  1959--61
Clinic Practice, Thomas Davis Clinic, Tucson, AZ July 1957--July 1959

 Hospital Privileges at St. Marys Hospital, Tucson Medical Center, in
Tucson, AZ
1957-1961



EDUCATION AND TRAINING:

Mayo Fellow in internal medicine July 1954--June 1957. University of
Minnesota
Hospitals and  VA Medical Center, Minneapolis Minnesota.  Chief Resident
Dept. of
Medicine, Ancker Hosp. St. Paul, MN 1956

Flight Surgeon, USAF 1952--54. (Korea)   Captain USAF MC

US Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine July 1952--Oct. 1952

Internship George Washington University Hospital, Wash. D.C. July
1951--June 1952

Doctor of Medicine   University of Utah, 1948-1951 Accelerated Program.

Pre-Medical University of Utah Sept. 1945--1948.  BA Degree 1949 after
one  year
of Medical School.

Honors  BA  cum laude 1949. Gradated  5th in class in Medicine. Admitted
to Alpha
Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society, 1950

Licensure: Arizona  # 13373

Board Certified   American Board of Internal Medicine 1967,  Recertified
1977.

Meritorious Service Medal, USAF 1981, first oak leaf cluster,1983


 Byron T. Weeks, MD

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"An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less."

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 -Caveat Lector-

Attached is my Resume'

Byron Weeks, MD


INTERNAL MEDICINE, RECERTIFIED 1977

February 1998   CURRICULUM  VITAE
[Retired 1995 due to Hypertensive Heart Disease, Degenerative Joint
Disease]

Byron T. Weeks, MD
Magna cum Laude gradute of the University of Utah 1951 [Check with them}

Positions Held:
 Sierra Tucson Hospital for 4 weeks Aug. Sept. 1994.  (Addictionology)
 Address 16500 N. Lago Del Oro Pkwy, Tucson, AZ 85737

 Part Time Private Practice  Office only, 23 Red Rock Crossing, Sedona,
AZ 86336
 from August 1993-March 1994.

 Locum Tenens: Samaritan Community Hosp. Springerville, AZ 85938
July-Aug, 1993
Arizona Western Clinic, Yuma, AZ, Sept. -Oct 1992
Locum for Juli Sampat,M.D. Winslow, AZ Nov.-Dec. 1992
Employed At GHMA 6565 E. Carondelet, Tucson, AZ May -Sept. 1992.

FHP Wetmore Medical Center, 698 E. Wetmore Drive, Tucson, AZ 85705
 Employed Aug.--December 1991 (contract).

CompHealth Locum Tenens for FHP in Salt Lake City, UT, 84107 at 4021 So
7th East,
April-1990-- March 1991.

Assistant Chief of Medicine VA Medical Center, 2400 Gregg Street, Big
Spring, TX
August --Oct 1988. resigned because of a fall in which I sustained  a
crushing
injury of left foot, with subsequent sub-talar fusion in June 1989 and
was unable
to work until April 1990.

Private Practice May 1985--Aug. 1988, Sierra Vista, Arizona at 155 Camino
Real
Internal Medicine. Hospital privileges at Sierra Vista Community Hospital.

Civil Service Physician, internal medicine,  Jan. 15-April 15, 1985 at
Davis
Monthan Air Force Hospital. Tucson, Arizona 85707
Veterans Administration Medical Center Walla Walla, Washington,
77 Wainwright Drive, Chief of Staff August 1993--Jan. 1985.   Resigned
because of
a family emergency.

U.S. Air Force Physician Nov. 1. 1974--July 2, 1983. Promoted to Colonel
USAF MC
 Chief of Clinic Services Ramstein Air Base, West Germany Nov. 1974-July
1976.
 Chief of Medical Service, USAF Hospital, Davis Monthan Tucson, AZ   July,
1976--Aug. 1978
 Chief of Professional Services USAF Hospital, Bitburg West Germany, Aug.
1978--Aug 1981
Interim Hospital Commander, May--Sept. 1980.
 Chief of Professional Svc. USAF Hosp. Davis Monthan, Tucson, AZ  Aug.
1981--Aug
1983.


 Private Practice, internal medicine Idaho Falls, Idaho, Sept.
1961--October 1974

 Hospital Privileges at LDS Riverside Hospital and Sacred Heart Hospital
1961-1974

 Private Practice 1011 N. Craycroft, Ste. 305, Tucson, AZ,  1959--61
Clinic Practice, Thomas Davis Clinic, Tucson, AZ July 1957--July 1959

 Hospital Privileges at St. Marys Hospital, Tucson Medical Center, in
Tucson, AZ
1957-1961



EDUCATION AND TRAINING:

Mayo Fellow in internal medicine July 1954--June 1957. University of
Minnesota
Hospitals and  VA Medical Center, Minneapolis Minnesota.  Chief Resident
Dept. of
Medicine, Ancker Hosp. St. Paul, MN 1956

Flight Surgeon, USAF 1952--54. (Korea)   Captain USAF MC

US Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine July 1952--Oct. 1952

Internship George Washington University Hospital, Wash. D.C. July
1951--June 1952

Doctor of Medicine   University of Utah, 1948-1951 Accelerated Program.

Pre-Medical University of Utah Sept. 1945--1948.  BA Degree 1949 after
one  year
of Medical School.

Honors  BA  cum laude 1949. Gradated  5th in class in Medicine. Admitted
to Alpha
Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society, 1950

Licensure: Arizona  # 13373

Board Certified   American Board of Internal Medicine 1967,  Recertified
1977.

Meritorious Service Medal, USAF 1981, first oak leaf cluster,1983


 Byron T. Weeks, MD


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Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??

1999-06-02 Thread Yardbird


 -Caveat Lector-


 you would do well to shut the hell up and sell youe SNAKE oil to someone
 who gives a damn.


What is it about free speech that so frightens liberal demagogues? Is it,
perhaps, that free speech indicates free thought and is not amenable to
the herd mentality required by the current neo-Stalinist left wing?

Jamieson

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1999-06-02 Thread Yardbird


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Well...what exactly qualifies you to be an idiot? :)



On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, E Mael wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 so all of this makes you a qualified idiot. sell it someplace else where
 somebody gives a damn.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
  -Caveat Lector-
 
 Attached is my Resume'
 
 Byron Weeks, MD
 
 
 INTERNAL MEDICINE, RECERTIFIED 1977
 
 February 1998   CURRICULUM  VITAE
 [Retired 1995 due to Hypertensive Heart Disease, Degenerative Joint
 Disease]
 
 Byron T. Weeks, MD
 Magna cum Laude gradute of the University of Utah 1951 [Check with them}
 
 Positions Held:
  Sierra Tucson Hospital for 4 weeks Aug. Sept. 1994.  (Addictionology)
  Address 16500 N. Lago Del Oro Pkwy, Tucson, AZ 85737
 
  Part Time Private Practice  Office only, 23 Red Rock Crossing, Sedona,
 AZ 86336
  from August 1993-March 1994.
 
  Locum Tenens: Samaritan Community Hosp. Springerville, AZ 85938
 July-Aug, 1993
 Arizona Western Clinic, Yuma, AZ, Sept. -Oct 1992
 Locum for Juli Sampat,M.D. Winslow, AZ Nov.-Dec. 1992
 Employed At GHMA 6565 E. Carondelet, Tucson, AZ May -Sept. 1992.
 
 FHP Wetmore Medical Center, 698 E. Wetmore Drive, Tucson, AZ 85705
  Employed Aug.--December 1991 (contract).
 
 CompHealth Locum Tenens for FHP in Salt Lake City, UT, 84107 at 4021 So
 7th East,
 April-1990-- March 1991.
 
 Assistant Chief of Medicine VA Medical Center, 2400 Gregg Street, Big
 Spring, TX
 August --Oct 1988. resigned because of a fall in which I sustained  a
 crushing
 injury of left foot, with subsequent sub-talar fusion in June 1989 and
 was unable
 to work until April 1990.
 
 Private Practice May 1985--Aug. 1988, Sierra Vista, Arizona at 155 Camino
 Real
 Internal Medicine. Hospital privileges at Sierra Vista Community Hospital.
 
 Civil Service Physician, internal medicine,  Jan. 15-April 15, 1985 at
 Davis
 Monthan Air Force Hospital. Tucson, Arizona 85707
 Veterans Administration Medical Center Walla Walla, Washington,
 77 Wainwright Drive, Chief of Staff August 1993--Jan. 1985.   Resigned
 because of
 a family emergency.
 
 U.S. Air Force Physician Nov. 1. 1974--July 2, 1983. Promoted to Colonel
 USAF MC
  Chief of Clinic Services Ramstein Air Base, West Germany Nov. 1974-July
 1976.
  Chief of Medical Service, USAF Hospital, Davis Monthan Tucson, AZ   July,
 1976--Aug. 1978
  Chief of Professional Services USAF Hospital, Bitburg West Germany, Aug.
 1978--Aug 1981
 Interim Hospital Commander, May--Sept. 1980.
  Chief of Professional Svc. USAF Hosp. Davis Monthan, Tucson, AZ  Aug.
 1981--Aug
 1983.
 
 
  Private Practice, internal medicine Idaho Falls, Idaho, Sept.
 1961--October 1974
 
  Hospital Privileges at LDS Riverside Hospital and Sacred Heart Hospital
 1961-1974
 
  Private Practice 1011 N. Craycroft, Ste. 305, Tucson, AZ,  1959--61
 Clinic Practice, Thomas Davis Clinic, Tucson, AZ July 1957--July 1959
 
  Hospital Privileges at St. Marys Hospital, Tucson Medical Center, in
 Tucson, AZ
 1957-1961
 
 
 
 EDUCATION AND TRAINING:
 
 Mayo Fellow in internal medicine July 1954--June 1957. University of
 Minnesota
 Hospitals and  VA Medical Center, Minneapolis Minnesota.  Chief Resident
 Dept. of
 Medicine, Ancker Hosp. St. Paul, MN 1956
 
 Flight Surgeon, USAF 1952--54. (Korea)   Captain USAF MC
 
 US Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine July 1952--Oct. 1952
 
 Internship George Washington University Hospital, Wash. D.C. July
 1951--June 1952
 
 Doctor of Medicine   University of Utah, 1948-1951 Accelerated Program.
 
 Pre-Medical University of Utah Sept. 1945--1948.  BA Degree 1949 after
 one  year
 of Medical School.
 
 Honors  BA  cum laude 1949. Gradated  5th in class in Medicine. Admitted
 to Alpha
 Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society, 1950
 
 Licensure: Arizona  # 13373
 
 Board Certified   American Board of Internal Medicine 1967,  Recertified
 1977.
 
 Meritorious Service Medal, USAF 1981, first oak leaf cluster,1983
 
 
  Byron T. Weeks, MD

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What is it about free speech that so frightens liberal demagogues? Is it,
perhaps, that free speech indicates free thought and is not amenable to
the herd mentality required by the current neo-Stalinist left wing?

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so you call a threat free speech. what is it about you right wing idiots
that make you turn every wild hair in your crotch something to do with
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Well...what exactly qualifies you to be an idiot? :)


my taking this split second to respond to your inanity.

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[CTRL] Skull of alien-human hybrid found?

1999-06-02 Thread Hilary A. Thomas


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http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/06/02/timintint01016.html?999
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June 2 1999

Forensic scientists have reconstructed a child's face from an ancient
Mexican skull which some researchers claim could have been an
alien-human hybrid. The StarChild's haunting features, eerily like the
huge-eyed aliens described after UFO abduction cases, are online at
www.AlienUFOart.com/Forensicfaces.htm

The misshapen skull is believed to belong to a girl of five or six,
whose bones were found with her mother's in a mineshaft south of
Chihuahua, Mexico, around 1925. The child's body was buried, with one
hand thrust out of its shallow grave to grasp the mother's hand. The
skulls were found by a teenage girl, and handed to scientists.

More than 30 specialists, including university anthropologists,
geneticists, radiologists and pathologists, and at least 15 psychics,
have examined the relics. All agree the Indian mother was a healthy
human. About the child - no one knows.

Using police techniques, forensic artist William McDonald reconstructed
both faces. "I've never seen a skull like this," he admitted. "It is so
radically deformed or mutated that the temporal portions actually face
forwards instead of to the sides."

McDonald favours the theory that the child was deformed, but adds the
brain capacity exceeded an adult human's by nearly 200cc.

Fellow investigator Lloyd Pye agrees that the conventional view must be
that this little girl was born with a horrific deformity. At
www.Starchildproject.com he also advances the alien theory.

Shoshonean myths tell of beings from the heavens who descended to mate
with Earth women. When the children were weaned, the Star Beings
returned to harvest their semi-human crop. Pye believes DNA testing
could prove the alien hybrid theory. Until funding can be raised,
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[CTRL] Serbian Cartoonist: Poison Ivy

1999-06-02 Thread Mack White

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From: "Sasa Rakezic" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Poison ivy
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:13:37 +0200
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Sasa Rakezic
P.F. 163
26000 Pancevo
Yugoslavia (Serbia)
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May 29th 1999

Hello!
The other day we met Zoran Jovic-Djavo, a drummer in a band called NUP, and
an author of several mini comics ( working under the pseudonym of Letac).
He was drafted, and is settled with the Antiaircraft Defenses in the farms
near his native village. He gave me a funny souvenir - - a piece of one of
the bombs that fell near the village. Djavo said that one of the officers
noticed that he was searching through the remains of the bomb. "What do you
looking for ?" - asked the officer. "I would like to have a little
souvenir",said Djavo. "The most interesting part is the wing. If you want,
take it. But be careful, they said that some of the bombs are
radio-active". The officer even helped to dismantle the "wings". But soon
Djavo's wrist became red, and he started to scratch...Was it because of the
radioactivity!? He rushed to the officer in panic, and showed him his wrist
all red, and the officer started to shout:"Don't come any closer!!! You are
CONTAMINATED"!!!
But just a minute later, he started to laugh, and explained that it was a
trick: the officer has scratched Djavo's wrist with the poison ivy!
A military humor.
While speaking to Djavo about his experiences, one of the most eerie
moments that he remembered was when the NATO aircraft on one occasion has
lightened everything beneath , in order to spot the target. The night
landscape was lightened so suddenly and from a very powerful source of
light, and it was almost as shocking as the bombing itself.
Another friend, Damir Smit, who is running a comics workshop in Subotica,
is the only male person that we know who succeeded to go out of the country
during the war... After a lot of efforts, he was given permission from the
Army Headquarters to go to Slovenia and take part in the Art Festival,
called Break 21. While on his way home, Damir stayed in Hungary for a few
days. "Budapest is full of people who are speaking Serbian" - he said. "It
is only the latest of many waves of war immigrants from Serbia, mostly
young people trying to avoid draft"...
I was also informed that Triceps, one of the most famous alternative
artists in Budapest, has set an exhibition in his underground gallery, with
enlarged pages of my "Life Under Sanctions" strip, placed behind the
ancient bars in the basement ambient... I saw the photos, it looks very
interesting.
Wish that I was able to go to Budapest and chat with Triceps...We are all
the prisoners of the situation here.
See you soon
Sasa

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[CTRL] Serbian Cartoonist: No Compromises?

1999-06-02 Thread Mack White

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From: "Sasa Rakezic" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No compromises?
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:11:23 +0200
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Sasa Rakezic
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May 27th 1999

Hello to all!
After the snail mail from abroad stopped being delivered to Serbia, I
almost stopped visiting a post office to check out my p.o. box. And when I
finally went there to check it out, it turned out that a book, ordered
before
this madness began, has somehow succeeded to get through! I ordered it
from Bud Plant's catalogue, and it is a handsome "MAD about the Fifties"
volume, with all the classical strips from the early Mad magazine. Hooray!
A new book on my table. Can't believe it! All those genuine concepts by H.
Kurtzman! Glorious stuff by Elder, Wolverton, Wood, Davis and all the
others American satire from the 50's was so sharp, so beautifully
executed. We should all learn from it, for many years to come. It is a
great literature to read under the light of the candle during the
black-outs

May 28th 1999

Yesterday, the power went off shortly after the booming sound of the bomber
plane was heard over our neighborhood. NATO has destroyed some of the
important power plants near Belgrade. The power comes off and on again,
every now and then.
Few hours ago, NATO have bombed a garbage dump  near Pristina, with four
projectiles. Whatever the real target was, you can add the garbage dump to
the list of the bombed places and objects in Serbia.
Of course, everybody here is talking about Milosevic being indicted for war
crimes...Just in the moment when some agreement for the halt of the
military action in Kosovo was about to be settled through the diplomacy,
lead by Russians!...It seems that NATO, which has a very strong influence
on the policy of the War Crimes Tribunal in Hague, simply does not want to
appear as ready to make any compromises, and is more eager to continue with
the pressure against the "enemy". Is it even more important than to stop
the suffering of both Albanian and Serbian civil population?
I've been discussing these things with Donna Barr, who is able to very
sharply analyze and understand the military logic, as you can see from her
well-researched comics set inside the WW2 milieu.

"There is a lot of media talk about Milosevic "cracking." , said Donna.
"This is American media-talk for "He is willing to negotiate."
In the American culture, there are only complete winners or complete
losers; one is not allowed to compromise.  It is a sign of "weakness."
Many of our people suffer from stress-illness because they cannot "win
completely" all the time.
And do you know what the British said?  That Milosovic has "back up
generators," and if "he" is choosing to use "his" generators for the
military instead of the hospitals, then it's "his" headache.
You are no longer a country to NATO -- you are one person.  YOU are all to
be treated as that one person.
And repeatedly we see oil refineries burning.  This is an OIL question
again".

Speaking of compromises, it is something quite unpopular within a military
logic in just any country... There is a joke, that I heard here in Serbia,
about Milosevic writing a letter to Clinton:
" Dear Bill, we can't take it any more. It's about time for you to
surrender"

That's all for now,
Sasa

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[CTRL] Case History of Fraud in Credit Card Industry


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 Providian is on the cutting edge of the credit card
industry's 'bad habits.'
 "The question now is whether Providian can maintain its
break-neck growth if it [doesn't deceive] in its marketing."


CREDIT GIANT ACCUSED OF PILING ON CHARGES
Employees say Providian urged them to mislead

by Sam Zuckerman
San Francisco Chronicle, June 1, 1999

 Providian Financial Corp., the San Francisco credit card
giant that is under investigation for possible unfair business
practices, instructed its telemarketers to engage in
high-pressure, misleading sales tactics, according to more than a
dozen current and former employees who spoke to The Chronicle.
Many complaints that have been lodged against the company
involve the sale of add-on products -- such as credit insurance
and memberships in auto clubs, buying clubs and discount drug
plans -- to people who said they did not want them.
 "When I first started working there, I thought the
company was doing good things for customers by helping them
rebuild their credit," said Kim Williams, who worked for 1 1/2
years as a customer service representative in Providian's San
Francisco headquarters.
 But Williams quit last year, in part because she felt bad
about pushing products that she considered useless. "I never
thought they were worth anything," she said. "I thought we were
just bilking customers out of their money."
 Providian specializes in issuing credit cards to people
other lenders had dismissed as deadbeats. Its cardholders include
people who previously had trouble paying their bills, older
people who never had credit cards before and widowed or divorced
people without credit histories in their own names.
 The San Francisco district attorney's office is
investigating Providian's sales and collection practices. A
series of civil lawsuits charge the company with unfair and
deceptive business practices.
 The Better Business Bureau has received 850 complaints from
Providian customers nationwide. Among the gripes is that the
company is slow to post customer payments, which generates late
fees.
 From 1996 to 1998, Providian's revenues from late and
over-limit charges, add-on products, and other customer fees grew
470 percent to $703.5 million, while total revenues grew only 120
percent, to $2.4 billion.
 In response to the criticism, Providian stresses that it
obeys all consumer laws and regulations, and guarantees its
customers "100 percent satisfaction."
 "We help people to build, protect and responsibly use
credit," said company spokesman Marc Loewenthal. Providian wants
"an active and lasting customer relationship," he said.

'ENHANCED CUSTOMER SATISFACTION'

 Last week, after Providian's stock had fallen by one-third
on news of the district attorney's investigation, Providian
announced an "enhanced customer satisfaction program."
 Among other steps, Providian said, it will reverse late fees
and cancel sales of add-on products if consumers had not intended
to buy them. It also hired Ernst  Young to review its payment
processing procedures.
The company said its actions were not an admission that it
had deceived customers. Its stock rose 15 percent after the
announcement.

MAINTAINING GROWTH

 The question now is whether Providian can maintain its
break-neck growth if it reins in its marketing.
 "Their whole way of selling was to mislead the customers,"
said Linda Sherry of the San Francisco advocacy group Consumer
Action.  "If they were to clean up the act, they might not sell
as much."
 Jack Weiss, a 72-year-old San Francisco printing salesman,
said he got a credit card from Providian in 1996, although he
never bought anything with it.
 In 1997, Providian sent him an unsolicited membership in its
DrivePro auto club. "They sent me this DrivePro card that I
didn't ask for and charged me $99 for it," said Weiss, who was
already a member of another auto club.
 Weiss said he called and wrote Providian, but was unable to
get the charge reversed. Meanwhile, he was racking up late fees
on the money Providian said he owed for DrivePro.
 Weiss tried to cancel his credit card account, he said, but
the company continued to bill him for his outstanding balance.
Finally, it hired a collection agency.
 "My experience with them was dreadful," he said.
 Providian said it could not discuss Weiss' case because of
privacy rules.

PRESSURE TO SELL

 Current and former Providian employees who spoke with The
Chronicle said they were under fierce pressure to sell add-on
products, especially "credit protection."
 "That was our big moneymaker," said one former customer
service specialist who asked not to be identified. "The amount
sold was tremendous, and the claims on it were so few."
 Many credit card companies sell credit insurance, which
provides benefits to cardholders who become disabled or
unemployed.
 Most programs pay the customer's minimum payment and let
them

[CTRL] Bloodgate -- Linda Tripp, Vince Foster


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LINDA TRIPP CONNECTED TO CANADA'S BLOOD SCANDAL

31 January 1999, The Ottawa Citizen
by Mark Kennedy

Clinton accuser sought answers
but was denied access to files, she says

 The web of intrigue in the Arkansas prison blood scandal has
grown to include a more famous name: Linda Tripp.
PTantalizing new evidence that has surfaced on the story --now
dubbed "Bloodgate" by Americans who regularly discuss it through
Internet chat groups -- has sparked even more questions about
what U.S. President Bill Clinton knew about tainted blood shipped
to Canada in the early 1980s.
 Mrs. Tripp, a key figure in the Monica Lewinsky affair, said
in a sworn deposition this month that in the course of her duties
in the White House several years ago, she once took a phone call
from someone about a "tainted blood issue."
 When Mrs. Tripp tried to obtain more information on the
subject from a White House computer data base, she was denied
access to the files.
 The latest information stems from a sworn deposition Mrs.
Tripp gave Jan. 13 in a civil lawsuit.
 She was called as a witness in a class-action suit filed by
White House employees of the Bush and Reagan administrations who
allege their FBI files were wrongly accessed by the Clinton White
House.
 Ms. Tripp is best known as the woman who befriended Ms.
Lewinsky and secretly tape-recorded their phone conversations in
which Ms. Lewinsky revealed her sexual affair with Mr. Clinton.
 What's not as widely known is that before then, she was one
of only two holdovers from the Bush presidency and worked in a
key position -- as executive assistant to Bernard Nussbaum, the
chief White House counsel.
 Working in the same office at the time was deputy counsel
Vince Foster who committed suicide in 1993.
 Mr. Foster, a boyhood friend of Mr. Clinton's, was one of
the president's most trusted advisers. As a corporate lawyer in
Arkansas, he worked in the same firm as Hillary Rodham Clinton
and they became close colleagues.
 Ms. Tripp was among the last persons to see Mr. Foster
alive. She brought him a hamburger, along with some candy, from
the White House cafeteria at lunch time on July 20, 1993. Mr.
Foster ate at his desk, got up, told Ms. Tripp "I'll be back,"
and drove to a Northern Virginia park overlooking the Potomac
River, where he shot himself.
 Last fall, as part of a series of investigative stories, the
Citizen revealed two developments that prompted new questions
about Mr. Foster's knowledge of how a private firm, with the
consent of the Arkansas government, collected inmates' plasma and
shipped it to Canada.
 The Citizen reported details that suggest Mr. Foster tried
to protect the firm more than a decade before in a lawsuit. As
well, the New York Post had recently reported that Mr. Foster may
have been worried about the tainted-blood scandal (which was then
just emerging as a contentious issue in Canada) when he killed
himself.
 Mr. Clinton was governor of Arkansas when the Canadian blood
supply was contaminated in the mid-'80s. He was generally
familiar with the operations of now-defunct Health Management
Associates (HMA), the Arkansas firm that was given a contract by
Mr. Clinton's own state administration to provide medical care to
prisoners. In the process, HMA was also permitted by the state to
collect prisoners' blood and sell it elsewhere.
 HMA's president in the mid-1980s, Leonard Dunn, was a
personal friend of Mr. Clinton's and a political ally. Later, Mr.
Dunn was a Clinton appointee to the Arkansas Industrial
Development Commission and he was among the senior members of Mr.
Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial re-election team.
 The contaminated prisoners' plasma is believed to have been
infected with HIV and hepatitis C. Any information linking Mr.
Foster to HMA and its blood program is bound to raise more
questions about how much Mr. Clinton knew.
 The New York Post reported that a day or two after Mr.
Foster died, someone called a little-known phone number at the
White House counsel's office where Mr. Foster worked.
 "The man said he had some information that might be
important," wrote columnist Maggie Gallagher, who did not name
her source or identify the official who took the call.
 "Something had upset Vince Foster greatly just days before
he died. Something about "tainted blood' that both Vince Foster
and President Clinton knew about, this man said."
 In her sworn deposition earlier this month, Ms. Tripp
unexpectedly made a statement unrelated to the lawsuit which
suggests she was the official who took the call.
 Ms. Tripp said she once unsuccessfully tried to gain access
to the computer of Deb Gorham, Mr. Foster's secretary.
 "It had been alarming to me that when I tried to enter data
from a caller that I was working with on a tainted blood issue,
that every time I entered a word that had to do with this
particular issue, it would flash up either the word

[CTRL] UFO Filmed by Mexican Television

1999-06-02 Thread Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard


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UFO Filmed by Mexican Television.

Itar-Tass
01-JUN-99
MEXICO, June 1 (Itar-Tass) - Mexican television has shown at least three
UFOs hanging over the city of Puebla southeast of the Mexican capital.
Judging by the film shown by "Atsteka" television the UFOs were visible in
the sky for around five minutes.
The phenomenon had been watched on Monday morning by dozens of people who
said that the UFOs, whose size was described by onlookers as rather large,
were lined up in space eight kilometers wide. The UFOs had a silver colour,
a round shape and emanated a powerful light. One of them quickly
disappeared, while the other two moved southwest, flying at a very high
speed.
Mexican Civil Aviation officials have not given any explanation of the
incident yet.
ere/ast
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Justice does exist in the world, whether people choose to practice it or
not. The men of ability are being avenged. The avenger is reality. Its
weapon is slow, silent, invisible, and men perceive it only by its
consequences - by the gutted ruins and the moans of agony it leaves in its
wake. The name of the weapon is: inflation.
-- Ayn Rand, "Egalitarianism And Inflation," Philosophy: Who Needs It
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Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??

1999-06-02 Thread Steve Wingate


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On 2 Jun 99, at 12:15, E Mael wrote:

 you would do well to shut the hell up and sell youe SNAKE oil to someone
 who gives a damn.

Forget to take your meds again?

Steve


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[CTRL] Which Worse?

1999-06-02 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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From OriginalSources.CoM




 Picture: Original Sources Scroll


 --
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 Is Polygamy a Worse Crime than Adultery?

 Would Men Rush Out to Get Married if Polygamy were Legal?

 By Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources
 (http://www.originalsources.com)

 June 2, 1999

 As the world teeter-totters on the verge of World War III, and the
 President of the United States bombs and kills civilians in
 Yugoslavia, what did Geraldo Rivera choose to become incensed about
 yesterday? A case in Utah involving a polygamist which brought the
 wire services and foreign film crews scurrying to Utah to cover the
 trial, that's what.

 Amazing! Here is the man who supported President Clinton's "privacy"
 right to treat women any way he chose to treat them - even up to and
 including rape, in the case of Juanita Broaddrick, but last night was
 demanding that the State of Utah INSTANTLY do something about a
 reported 25,000 cases of polygamy in the state. In fact, his outrage
 was so comical that the Salt Lake City KSL-TV guest on his show
 laughed at him.

 The case that took Rivera's mind off the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
 (which he supports) to polygamy (which he doesn't support) was that of
 David O. Kingston who is accused to having had sex with one of his 15
 wives - the 16 year old daughter of his brother, John Daniel Kingston.
 The opening of the trial took place yesterday which brought wire
 service reporters and foreign film crews running to Utah.

 The case broke open last summer when the girl showed up at a rural gas
 station just south of the Idaho border and said her father beat her
 for disavowing the marriage. David Kingston has rejected a plea
 bargain and insists he is not guilty of three felony counts of incest
 and one count of unlawful sexual contact, said his attorney, Stephen
 McCaughey.

 When the story broke, Governor Mike Leavitt seemed to step on a
 political mine field when he, the descendant of a polygamous Mormon
 family, commented that polygamy may be protected as a religious
 freedom.

 The Utah State Constitution is the only State Constitution in the
 United States which specifically outlaws polygamy - an interesting
 situation since it was the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
 that practiced plural marriage as a religious doctrine and which
 fought for the right to practice it all the way to the Supreme Court
 and lost. So, how did Utah became the only state in the union to
 specifically prohibit plural marriage? Well, that statement was
 REQUIRED by the Utah Enabling Act of 1894, which was passed by the
 Fifty-third U.S. Congress in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution.
 The Fifty-third Congress passed a law which REQUIRED the Mormon Church
 to abandon a religious doctrine. That was before the Supreme Court
 decided that the First Amendment to the Constitution, which states
 that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
 religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the
 freedom of speech, or of the press..." disallowed ANY government
 involvement with religion.

 The Utah Enabling Act stated, that "no inhabitant of said State (Utah)
 shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her
 mode of religious worship, provided that polygamous or plural
 marriages are forever prohibited."

 The Utah Enabling Act actually had no impact on the Mormons, because
 four years before, in 1890, the Church President at the time, Wilford
 Woodruff had issued a declaration stating, "Inasmuch as laws have been
 enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been
 pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort (the Supreme
 Court), I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws and to
 use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside
 to have them do likewise."

 From that day to this, that has been the doctrine of the Church. In
 fact, even in countries of Africa and Asia where polygamy is legal,
 those practicing polygamy cannot be baptized in the Church. So,
 contrary to Rivera's insistent effort to somehow involve the Mormons
 in the Kingston case, it actually has no impact one way or the other
 on the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 Shortly after Leavitt's comment a storm of protest from feminist
 groups broke over the Governor's head. He then clarified his position
 by saying that after speaking with prosecutors, he had concluded
 polygamy isn't pursued in court not because of religious freedom but
 because - as with fornication, sodomy and adultery - it is difficult
 to do so. He cited three reasons: lack of proof, since most polygamous
 marriages take place in private and are not documented; case law
 preventing children from being removed from a polygamous home; and
 higher priorities for law enforcement.

 In recent years, the most spectacular polygamy case did not

[CTRL] Death of an Old Virtue

1999-06-02 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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Last post (from me) on this issue)

From Nat'l Review


 The End Of Courage

 The strange death of an old virtue.


 --
 -- ROGER SCRUTON

 Mr. Scruton is a writer and philosopher in England and the author of
 An Intelligent Person's Guide to Philosophy.
 --
 --



 ONE of the lessons to be drawn from the conflict in Kosovo is that,
 while our governments are ready to use military force, they are
 reluctant to take the risk of fighting. The strategy adopted is
 essentially one of window dressing. "Look how strong we are!" NATO
 declares; "we can destroy factories, bridges -- whole towns, if we
 desire!" The Serbs know that the cost of rebuilding those factories,
 bridges, and towns will be borne, in the end, by the states that are
 currently destroying them. What matters, to them, is the war on the
 ground, in which men face each other and fight -- as the Kosovo
 Liberation Army would fight, if we had the sense to arm it. Killing,
 intimidating, and driving into exile are the real business of war: and
 on this level, everything has proceeded, from the Serb point of view,
 as smoothly as could ever be expected.

 PictureWhat explains the reluctance of NATO to fight? Some speak of
 the enormous monetary cost of mobilizing troops on the ground. But it
 is a cost that Europe and America, controllers of the world's wealth,
 could easily meet. Besides, it would be far less than the cost of
 repairing the damage caused by continual bombing and of housing the
 Kosovan refugees. Others refer to the inevitable casualties, and the
 reluctance of Western democracies to accept them. But this is a
 doubtful argument. In Britain, at least, public opinion is behind the
 use of force, and eager for a speedy and definitive end to the
 conflict. Our airmen are already expressing their frustration at rules
 of engagement that prevent them from making use of their low-flying
 skills, and from taking the risk of direct air-to-ground combat.

 PictureThe history of modern warfare tells us that, in the end, the
 swiftest resolution to a conflict, and the one most economical in both
 military and civilian casualties, is the decisive victory on the
 ground -- the breakthrough that leads to the capture of disputed
 territory. That victory could be achieved tomorrow, to the immense
 relief not only of the Kosovan Albanians but of the nations that have
 been half-reluctantly persuaded to defend them. In some peculiar,
 metaphysical way, however, the hands of our governments are tied. It
 is as though all options were open, provided nothing were at risk
 besides machines. The crucial factor on which victory has always
 depended -- the willingness to risk life and limb -- has been removed
 from the equation.

 PictureIn effect, the war in Serbia is an exercise in sanitized
 aggression -- force without the risk of force, violence without tears,
 destruction from a place of safety. Not only is this cowardly: It is
 profoundly counter-productive, as we are beginning to see. Courage is
 a higher value than safety, and a life without risk diminishes the
 gift of freedom. And part of the value of courage over hesitation lies
 in the fact that it moves more decisively, more economically, and with
 less catastrophic destruction, to its goal. Courage is not just
 intrinsically admirable; it is also the most efficient means to
 achieve what we want.

 PictureIf we wish to understand the mentality of our leaders, we
 must remind ourselves of the liberal priorities in politics. The
 Founding Fathers believed that the purpose of politics is to safeguard
 the space in which individuals can grow. The Constitution was devised
 to promote freedom and enterprise, and to encourage individuals to
 take full responsibility for their lives. The liberal heirs of the
 Founding Fathers believe that the purpose of politics is to look after
 all citizens from cradle to grave, regardless of what they have done
 to deserve it. For them, politics is a rescue service, offered
 unconditionally to all. Hence safety, health, and comfort become the
 primary political values. The aim is to create a risk-free society. If
 we contemplate war, it is only war at a distance, a series of "warning
 shots" that will deter the villains from their purpose without
 exposing our citizens to risk. Such a war, however, is both costly and
 essentially unwinnable.

 PictureIt is not only in war that the liberal priorities are
 dangerous. The obsession with health is profoundly unhealthy, and the
 pursuit of safety unsafe. If we believe that the state is there to
 cushion us from misfortune, to compensate every loss and make up for
 every suffering, then we automatically relinquish control over our
 lives, while drastically narrowing the sphere of human action.
 Regulations of a mind-numbing complexity now govern activities,
 consumer

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Andrew: Is Melissa a government contrivance?]

1999-06-02 Thread Robert Tatman


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Para [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 At 14:23 31/03/99 -0500, you wrote:
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 Andrew:
 
 as far as i'm aware, you only need to fear it if you use MS outlook. i
 don't use MS Outlook, i use eudora, no need for me to worry. the most
 rebellious anti-authoritarian part of internet users (hackers and other
 techies) then to use linux, so they don't need to fear either.
 
 Here's hoping you are right about Eudora (been using Eudora ever since I
 got on line) and LINUX, my friend. I still can't believe Big Bro hasn't got
 a way of tapping into these as well.

 Do you really believe that they haven't?

 I really don't think you need to worry about their capability,
 I'm sure they have unhindered access to most of what they require.

 Linux wouldn't figure very highly on their list of things to do today.
 BG

 
 Forever paranoid, Edward   
Even for Outlook users, Melissa is a problem *only* if you *open* the infected
attachment. The only way the macro virus could infect an actual e-mail message
is if you are using Outlook and have set Word as your e-mail editor. In that
case, when you create or open a message you are actually opening and running
Word. The safest thing to do is (a) NEVER open an attachment to an e-mail
message without running your antivirus program on it first; and (b) if you're
using Outlook, make sure you have the program set to RTF (Rich Text Format) or
text-only--neither format uses macros and therefore neither is susceptible to
macro viruses.

Bob (in Help Desk mode)

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!


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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
If health care is a "human right", then the rest of us should have a
vested
interest in your  diet, exercize, not smoking, doing drugs etc. You can
bankrupt us if you don't take care of yourself!


there is just not enough for everybody. somebody has to lose. but not me,
cause i'm keeping what i got, to hell with everybody else.

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Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control

1999-06-02 Thread Lloyd Miller


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No!  The Amendment says, in effect:   _Because_ a well regulated militia is
necessary, _then_ the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!
The arms involved should be those normally used by soldiers in WAR!  Assault
rifles, if not 50 Caliber Machine guns, should be legal!

THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGEDit doesn't matter
whythat is what the Bill of Rights says!  No licensing, no registration,
no prohibition of carrying concealed weapons!The Founding Fathers were
all gun nuts!  The first thing the British tried to do in Boston was seize
supplies of powder and ball!  The Founding Fathers knew that liberty must be
defended on occasion by just violence!

Citizens who misuse guns should be punished severely.  Using a gun in a
crime of any kind is threatened murder and should result in the death
penalty or life in prison.


-Original Message-
From: Dr. Ken Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 2:48 PM
Subject: RE: Constitutional gun control


One friend wrote:

Ken,

But the 2nd Amendment gives a specific "well-regulated" purpose for bearing
arms, right?  It does not use the word individual.  Also, the Supreme
Court, or so I have been told, has never interpreted the 2nd amendment to
apply on the level of the individual.


Well, sir, we can accept the definitions of our enemies, or we can use the
definitions of our Founders.  "Well-regulated" means "well trained and
well-equipped," not "well-limited."  "People" means "individuals."  It does
not refer to some group of people.  The Federalist Papers make it clear
that the Second Amendment applies to the right of each individual to be
equipped with arms so that each state might have a "well-regulated"
militia.  If gun ownership were a state right, they would have said "the
right of the states to keep and bear arms."  In the Tenth Amendment, both
"states" and "people" are used, indicating they are separate, and "people"
cannot mean "states."  The Fourth Amendment says, "The right of the people
to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."  Do you think
that the "people" in the Fourth Amendment are different from the "people"
in the Second?

One of the purposes of the Constitution is to protect you and me, "the
people" from usurpations of power by the government.  The Supreme Court
Justices are appointed by the President and ratified by the Senate.  Are
they on the side of the government or the people?  What makes you think
they would not be motivated to interpret the Constitution in favor of
government and against the rights of the people?  Where does the
Constitution say it is whatever the Supreme Court says it is?  If the
people are willing to surrender their Holy Constitution to the whims of the
Supreme Court, they no longer deserve its protections and they will lose
them.

I once wrote a petition on which we got over 20,000 signatures, asking my
Congressman to use his constitutional powers ("with such exceptions, and
under such regulations as the Congress shall make." -- Article III, Section
2) to restrict the Supreme Court's power to review state abortion laws.  He
said he could not restrain the Supreme Court because they had the power to
interpret the constitutionality of anything Congress did.  That important
check and balance held by Congress over the Supreme Court has been lost due
to our traditional enthronment of the Supreme Court.  Actually, the
Constitution gave no such sweeping powers to the Supreme Court.  They stole
that power in Marbury vs Madison in 1803.  I am just trying to challenge
that 200-year-old myth.  I may stand alone, but I am right.

Ken

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-02 Thread A. Szul


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How so? The horror stories coming out of that country re health care is enuff to
make anyone shudder.

-A

"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

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 In a message dated 05/28/1999 2:10:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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  Do you want long lines like what they experience in Canada, under a
  socialized health care system? 

 Yes, yes, yes.  Canada's system sounds great to me.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-02 Thread A. Szul


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J2 offers no reasonable alternative. Just empty words with no meaning. A
conspiracy in of itself.

-A

nurev wrote:

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 "A.C. Szul Jr." wrote:
 
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  FYI. Remember the Clinton's top-secret meetings on health care?
 
  Do you want long lines like what they experience in Canada, under a
  socialized health care system?

 Yes! Absolutely. What a great idea. A health care system like
 Canada's.
 Single payer, no insurance companies. Reasonable prices for medicine.
 Guaranteed health care for every citizen. What a great idea! Thanks
 for
 suggesting it.

 Joshua2

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[CTRL] Kennedy Casket explanation (fwd)

1999-06-02 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER


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Family Insisted JFK Casket Be Sunk

By DEB RIECHMANN=
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) _ It was the Kennedy family that insisted that
the polished bronze casket used to carry President Kennedy's body
from Dallas to Washington be dumped into the ocean, newly
released documents say.

Kennedy was buried at Arlington National Cemetery in a mahogany
coffin and there have been lingering questions about what ever
happened to the casket used in Texas after Kennedy was
assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963.

``What I would like to have done is take it to sea,'' Robert
Kennedy, the president's brother, told an official of the General
Services Administration in February 1966.

Despite concerns that the casket was government property, Kennedy
told GSA Administrator Lawson Knott Jr. that he believed it
belonged to the family ``and we can get rid of it any way we want
to,'' according to a memo recounting their telephone
conversation.

About two weeks later, on Feb. 18, 1966, an Air Force van picked
up the casket at the National Archives building in downtown
Washington.

To make sure that it would sink, the casket was loaded with three
80-pound bags of sand. Numerous holes were drilled into the
coffin and a pine box that encased it. It was bound with metal
banding tape and rigged with parachutes to break the impact of
hitting the water.

At 8:38 a.m., a C-130 airplane carrying the casket left Andrews
Air Force Base and flew off the Maryland-Delaware coast. The
plane descended to 500 feet and at 10 a.m., the tail hatch of the
plane was opened and the 660-pound load was pushed out.

``The parachutes opened shortly before impact and the entire
rigged load remained intact and sank sharply, clearly and
immediately after the soft impact,'' John Steadman, special
assistant to the defense secretary, wrote in a Feb. 25, 1966 file
memo.

``The aircraft circled the drop point for some 20 minutes at 500
feet to ensure that nothing returned was chosen because it was
away from regularly traveled air and shipping lines and would not
be disturbed by trawling and other sea-bottom activities, the
documents said.

The government paid for the bronze coffin, but it was unclear
whether it was government property.

However, Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach said in a Feb. 11,
1966 letter to the GSA that he felt it was necessary to dispose
of the coffin.

``I am unable to conceive of any manner in which the casket could
have an evidentiary value, nor can I conceive of any reason why
the national interest would require its preservation,''
Katzenbach wrote.

``It is obvious that it could never be used for burial purposes
and its public display would be extremely offensive and contrary
to public policy.''

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Re: [CTRL] Kennedy Casket explanation (fwd)

1999-06-02 Thread mrgrits @mindspring.com

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Did they think they were the ONLY  taxpayers in the U.S. that owned that
casket  ??

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Subject: [CTRL] Kennedy Casket explanation (fwd)

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 Family Insisted JFK Casket Be Sunk

 By DEB RIECHMANN=
 Associated Press Writer

 WASHINGTON (AP) _ It was the Kennedy family that insisted that
 the polished bronze casket used to carry President Kennedy's body
 from Dallas to Washington be dumped into the ocean, newly
 released documents say.

 Kennedy was buried at Arlington National Cemetery in a mahogany
 coffin and there have been lingering questions about what ever
 happened to the casket used in Texas after Kennedy was
 assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963.

 ``What I would like to have done is take it to sea,'' Robert
 Kennedy, the president's brother, told an official of the General
 Services Administration in February 1966.

 Despite concerns that the casket was government property, Kennedy
 told GSA Administrator Lawson Knott Jr. that he believed it
 belonged to the family ``and we can get rid of it any way we want
 to,'' according to a memo recounting their telephone
 conversation.

 About two weeks later, on Feb. 18, 1966, an Air Force van picked
 up the casket at the National Archives building in downtown
 Washington.

 To make sure that it would sink, the casket was loaded with three
 80-pound bags of sand. Numerous holes were drilled into the
 coffin and a pine box that encased it. It was bound with metal
 banding tape and rigged with parachutes to break the impact of
 hitting the water.

 At 8:38 a.m., a C-130 airplane carrying the casket left Andrews
 Air Force Base and flew off the Maryland-Delaware coast. The
 plane descended to 500 feet and at 10 a.m., the tail hatch of the
 plane was opened and the 660-pound load was pushed out.

 ``The parachutes opened shortly before impact and the entire
 rigged load remained intact and sank sharply, clearly and
 immediately after the soft impact,'' John Steadman, special
 assistant to the defense secretary, wrote in a Feb. 25, 1966 file
 memo.

 ``The aircraft circled the drop point for some 20 minutes at 500
 feet to ensure that nothing returned was chosen because it was
 away from regularly traveled air and shipping lines and would not
 be disturbed by trawling and other sea-bottom activities, the
 documents said.

 The government paid for the bronze coffin, but it was unclear
 whether it was government property.

 However, Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach said in a Feb. 11,
 1966 letter to the GSA that he felt it was necessary to dispose
 of the coffin.

 ``I am unable to conceive of any manner in which the casket could
 have an evidentiary value, nor can I conceive of any reason why
 the national interest would require its preservation,''
 Katzenbach wrote.

 ``It is obvious that it could never be used for burial purposes
 and its public display would be extremely offensive and contrary
 to public policy.''

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Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control

1999-06-02 Thread Jim Norman


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Lloyd Miller wrote:

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 No!  The Amendment says, in effect:   _Because_ a well regulated militia is
 necessary, _then_ the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!
 The arms involved should be those normally used by soldiers in WAR!  Assault
 rifles, if not 50 Caliber Machine guns, should be legal!

 THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGEDit doesn't matter
 whythat is what the Bill of Rights says!  No licensing, no registration,
 no prohibition of carrying concealed weapons!The Founding Fathers were
 all gun nuts!  The first thing the British tried to do in Boston was seize
 supplies of powder and ball!  The Founding Fathers knew that liberty must be
 defended on occasion by just violence!

 Citizens who misuse guns should be punished severely.  Using a gun in a
 crime of any kind is threatened murder and should result in the death
 penalty or life in prison.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dr. Ken Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 2:48 PM
 Subject: RE: Constitutional gun control

 One friend wrote:

 Ken,
 
 But the 2nd Amendment gives a specific "well-regulated" purpose for bearing
 arms, right?  It does not use the word individual.  Also, the Supreme
 Court, or so I have been told, has never interpreted the 2nd amendment to
 apply on the level of the individual.

And rightly so, since the amendment does not speak to the individual, but to
congress.  9 of the first 10 amendments were written to prevent congress from
passing laws infringing those rights.  When the Supreme court ruled some years ago
that the second amendment conferred no new rights for the citizens, it was
correct!  The rights preceded those amendments.
Jim

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Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!

1999-06-02 Thread Yardbird


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  Yes, yes, yes.  Canada's system sounds great to me.  Prudy


It may sound great from another country but don't try living with it. All
of our best nurses and doctors get hired by wealthier US hospitals. Plus
the alleged universality of our system is anything but. Make sure if you
get ill that you get something the province you live in considers
worthwhile to treat. In fact you may want to live in a richer province
where they can afford to offer more varied medical treatment. Also
contract something that a politican is unlikely to contract as they'll
inevitably be treated before you, that is if they haven't used the
Canadian taxpayers money to purchase a US health care plan and gone south
to get faster and better treatment.

Jamieson

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Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

1999-06-02 Thread Teo One Thousand


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 Very nicely put Teo 1000.

  J2


Thank you sir.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2

1999-06-02 Thread Teo One Thousand


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In a message dated 6/2/99 6:26:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Well let's assume that we are looking
  at an
  high security prison for the worst possible offenders. Where are the
  gun
  deaths? Where are the accidental shootings? Prisoners who want to kill
  really have to work hard at it. Mass killings with sharpened spoons
  just
  don't happen.

  The simple straight fact is PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE. Remove
  either one
  from the equation, and the outcome changes drastically. It is easier
  to
  remove guns than people from the equation.

  That is why it will happen.

  Joshua2


I grant your point, even though, as you rightly say, yours is not a perfect
example.  One must not forget, that in the environment that you have chosen
for your example there is a much greater degree of control over every action
of the prisoners.  This is what keeps the death rate down to a great extent,
not JUST the lack of weapons, notably guns.  I know that you do not advocate
this type of control on society in general so the analogy is flawed to some
extent.  However, point taken and conceded.  My own personal opinion on the
matter is that much more would be gained and in a better fashion if we attack
the root of much of the death's by shooting that occur.  That is crime.
Decriminalizing drugs, and some other less drastic means than banning all gun
ownership, except for law enforcement, are effective, and necessary in my
opinion, things that could be done to reduce the violent crime rate,
especially death by gun.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] Hazel O'Leary's Rocky Flats Horror Show [whistleblower axed]


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Wednesday June 2, 9:22 AM

Hazel O'Leary's Rocky Flats Horror Show

In a hair-raising Nukegate report that was largely overlooked as America
tuned out over the Memorial Day weekend, William J. Broad wrote in Sunday's
New York Times:

"For more than half a decade, the Clinton administration was shoveling
atomic secrets out the door as fast as it could, literally by the ton.
Millions of previously classified ideas and documents relating to nuclear
arms were released to all comers, including China's bomb makers."

The Times quoted then-presiding Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary (1993 -
1997), who proudly proclaimed at the beginning of her tenure:

"The United States must stand as a leader. We are declassifying the largest
amount of information in the history of the department."

Now the American Spectator's Kenneth Timmerman adds another dimension to
O'Leary's "openess initiative," in a report that zeroes in on the new
policy's impact at nuclear storage sites like Rocky Flats, Colorado.

The Rocky Flats security scandal may be the most damaging yet, since the
cover-up is apparently still ongoing. Current Energy Secretary Bill
Richardson, who just gave department whistleblower Notra Trulock a $10,000
reward for exposing security breaches at Los Alamos, is desperately trying
to keep what O'Leary did at the Colorado site under wraps.

According to Timmerman, "Richardson is now attempting to prevent a top DOE
official in charge of safeguards and security from testifying before
Congress. Why? Because that official, Edward J. McCallum, had made clear his
intention to warn Congress and the public of devastating gaps in security
procedures at nuclear storage sites such as Rocky Flats."

Richardson already knows what McCallum has to say, since McCallum privately
warned the Clinton administration last January about trouble at Rocky Flats.
The consequences of the cover-up could be dramatic. "Terrorists could easily
penetrate the facility and steal weapons grade plutonium, or construct and
detonate a nuclear bomb on the site without DOE security teams being able to
prevent it," reports the Spectator, based on what McCallum told Timmerman.

It gets worse. McCallum was fired from his DOE post, or rather, "placed on
adminstrative leave without pay" just last month. Bill Richardson personally
gave the order to axe the whistleblower because he was "pissed off" at
McCallum's attempts to inform Congress, according to what sources have told
the Spectator.

White House flaks may have a tough time spinning the Rocky Flats scandal for
other reasons. Not only has the administration "repeatedly and obstinately"
refused to correct the problem, but Mrs. O'Leary may be vulnerable to
conflict of interest charges. Timmerman writes:

"Under O'Leary's stewardship, Rocky Flats cut its security force by 40
percent, allowing prime contactor Kaiser-Hill LLC to improve its profit
margin despite an overall reduction in the funds it received from DOE.
Indeed, Kaiser Hill actually earned performance bonuses from DOE, because
its cleanup operations were going ahead on schedule."

Kaiser-Hill was apparently grateful for Mrs. O'Leary's indulgence, since she
wound up on the board of ICF Kaiser, its parent company, upon her retirement
from DOE. She remains on Kaiser's board today, while her husband does
consulting work for the company.

O'Leary's Rocky Flats horror show only adds to the former Energy Secretary's
Nukegate woes. In 1997 probers discovered that she accepted $25,000 from
Chinese businessman Johnny Chung in the name of her favorite charity,
Africare.

Chung testified last month that the chief of Red Chinese intelligence gave
him $300,000 to help get Bill Clinton re-elected in 1996.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml
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[CTRL] Fwd: S99-97, Day 71 (June 2, 1:00PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia






FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA

The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia,
such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.  

Issue S99-98, Day 71
---
June 2, 1999; 1:00PM EDT

HEADLINES 

Washington   1. Death of Freedom in America? March on
   Pentagon Banned by Arlington Police!

Sweden  2. Anti-NATO Protests Banned in Europe; 
   Protesters Beaten by Police

Santa Cruz 3. California Anti-war Protester Beaten the
  Rodney King-Style



1. Death of Freedom in America? March on Pentagon Banned by Arlington Police!

WASHINGTON, June 2 - As you saw in our Bulletins S90-93 and S99-94, there
is a big anti-war protest planned in Washington for this weekend.  The plan
was to assemble at the Vietnam Memorial at noon, hold some speeches there,
and then march across the Potomac to Virginia, and reassemble for more
speeches at the Pentagon.

We've just received word from one of the protest organizers, the
International Action Center, that the Arlington police had denied us the
permit to march along public streets.  If we allow this decision to stand
unchallenged, it will mean the death of constitutional guaranteed freedom
in America.  

If you value your freedom of speech and that of peaceful assembly, we call
upon you to call or fax immediately the Arlington County Police, the
governor of the state of Virginia, the White House and the Justice
Department - and demand that they reverse this outrageous violation of our
constitutional rights.  

(1) Arlington County Police--phone: (703) 228-4252, (703) 558-; fax:
(703) 228-4127, (703) 228-4192.

(2)  Gov. James Gilmore, Virginia--phone: (804) 786-2211, fax: (804) 371-6351.

(3)  White House--phone: (202) 456-1414, fax: (202) 456-2461.

(4)  Justice Department/Attorney General Janet Reno--phone: (202) 514-2000
(Dept. of Justice, ask for Janet Reno), fax: (202) 514-0323.

And now, here is the text of the International Action Center's message: 

URGENT ACTION NEEDED - Permit Denied

In an outrageous effort to suppress the June 5 anti-war March on the
Pentagon, the police authorities have denied a permit to march on the
streets to the Pentagon.  We are launching a massive political and media
campaign to demand the right of the protest to march in the streets of
Virginia.  We believe the White House and the Pentagon are colluding with
local police agencies in this effort.

We are appealing to all those who believe in free speech and especially to
those who oppose the war in Yugoslavia to assist us in a phone, fax, and
email campaign to protect the first amendment rights of all those who plan
to participate in the June 5 March on the Pentagon.

With just three days to go before the June 5 March on the Pentagon, the
Arlington County Police have denied the June 5th demonstration the right to
march on a small stretch of Virginia roadway between the Vietnam Veterans'
Memorial, located in Washington DC, and the Pentagon building, located in
Virginia.  This is an arbitrary and political decision.  It is an
outrageous attempt to violate the first amendment right to free speech.  It
is an attempt to either stop the June 5th March on the Pentagon or to
create a chaotic situation at the demonstration.  

While denying the right of the marchers to the roadways leading to the
Pentagon, police authorities are trying to reroute the march into a narrow
and dangerous bike trail that at points becomes a single-file line,
crossing a major highway.  The police know that this is not a safe or
tenable route for a march of ten thousand or more.  The Arlington County
Police refuse to return phone calls from the organizers and attorneys of
the June 5 march.

The June 5 demonstration is the largest mobilization to date against the
U.S./NATO war in Yugoslavia.  We believe that it is impossible for the
county of Arlington police to unilaterally try to prevent us from carrying
out an orderly demonstration.  We hold the Clinton White House and Virginia
Governor James Gilmore responsible for this flagrant violation of our rights.

We will not be stopped.  The war in Yugoslavia has killed thousands of
innocent civilians.  We will not allow the U.S. authorities to stop the
anti-war movement from exercising its rights.

Please immediately phone and/or fax to the following authorities an angry
protest against the denial of our rights to march on the streets to the
Pentagon.  Tell the authorities, we demand the right to march on Route 27
to the Pentagon.  Please phone and/or fax to the following:

(1)  White House--phone: (202) 456-1414, fax: (202) 456-2461

(2)  Justice Department/Attorney General Janet Reno--phone: (202) 514-2000
(Dept. of Justice, ask for Janet Reno),

Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??

1999-06-02 Thread Sno0wl


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On 2 Jun 99, , Yardbird wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Well...what exactly qualifies you to be an idiot? :)



 On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, E Mael wrote:

   -Caveat Lector-
 
  so all of this makes you a qualified idiot. sell it someplace else where
  somebody gives a damn.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
   -Caveat Lector-
  
  Attached is my Resume'
  
  Byron Weeks, MD
  
  
  INTERNAL MEDICINE, RECERTIFIED 1977
  
  February 1998   CURRICULUM  VITAE
  [Retired 1995 due to Hypertensive Heart Disease, Degenerative Joint
  Disease]
  
  Byron T. Weeks, MD
  Magna cum Laude gradute of the University of Utah 1951 [Check with them}

This is absolutely deja vu.I remember Dr. Weeks posting his resume on
SNETNEWS--was it two years ago??


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[CTRL] Bush gave N-bomb to Chicoms? (fwd)

1999-06-02 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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- Original Message -
From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 6:37 PM
Subject: Bush gave N-bomb to Chicoms?

According to a man described as "the father of the neutron bomb",
Samuel Cohen, the "neutron bomb" secrets were "given"  to
Communist China in the 1980's by the "executive branch"
of the U.S. government.

Cohen made his assertions during a radio interview with KSFO radio
talker, Michael Savage.

Cohen corrected Savage when Savage suggested that the secrets
were transferred during the Reagan administration: "the eighties
were the era of Reagan-Bush".

Cohen was circumspect in his assertions, but the implication of what
he said was that during the period he was referring to, George Bush
was really the architect of the U.S. China policy, and the U.S. was
concerned about China's ability to defend against a massive invasion
by the Soviet Union.  The result was that persons "in the executive branch"
caused the nuclear secrets to be transferred.

Cohen made it clear that he was NOT asserting that Ronald Reagan directed
the transfer.  He suggested that there are a lot of things that the
president
doesn't know about, and that are handled without his knowledge.

DBC

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[CTRL] Question Re: German Constitution and War (fwd)

1999-06-02 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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- Original Message -
From: Allan J. Favish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: German Constitution and War

A friend sent me the following.  Can anybody confirm this?

"The April 26, 1999 issue of the German news magazine "Der Spiegel" reports
yhat the German Constitution allows military action by Germany  only in the
case of national defense. Germany is now being used by the US for bombing
missions into Serbia and German military forces are employed in the combined
NATO operation.

"The magazine goes on to report that federal attorney general
(Generalbundesanwalt) Kay Nehm in Karlsruhe,  is seriously investigating
charges that "the elected German government has been guilty of an aggressive
war", this after over fifty formal complaints were filed to that effect with
his office. The penalty for such a crime is life in prison."

Regards,

Allan J. Favish
http://members.aol.com/AllanF8702/page1.htm

 --end fwd--

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Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??