At 8:20 PM -0400 10/24/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>bills that the prez signed today...
Apropos of the socialist systems supported by Nathan Saper, Kerry
Bonin, Dave Emery, and several others, what these bills do:
>
>On Tuesday, October 24th, 2000, the President signed into law:
>
>H.R. 1509 D
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>that only dealt with a narrow issue. We could have included ones such as
>HR1501, but then we couldn't have figured out whether reps voted for it
>based on their support of filtering software or firearm restrictions.
>
>-Declan
I think that filt
HR10 | 116 | 12 |
>---
>HR1714 | 215 | 144 |
>---
>total | 756 | 676 |
>---
>votes | 1523| 1430|
>
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At 02:26 PM 10/20/00 -0400, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote:
>At 8:13 PM -0400 10/11/2000, John Kelsey wrote:
...
>I read the Massey and Maurer paper (One can find it at
>http://www.isi.ee.ethz.ch/publications/isipap/umaure-mass-inspec-1993
> 1.pdf ) and I have a cou
At 10:14 AM -0400 on 10/24/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> all depicted with
> deliberately cheezier CGIs to make it more "real" than the Matrix itself.
*less*
Sheesh.
Edit twice, send once. Welcome to the net...
Secret Squirrel wrote:
> Students have been adjusting to the Windows 95-based system and
> the additional responsibilities connected to it, officials say.
there should be several geeks in the school that are already
anticipating the fun they will have with this crap.
http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/magazine/text/excerpt.asp?afl=rsn&lngFeatureID=120&lngStyleID
At 2:08 AM -0400 on 10/24/00, Declan McCullagh wrote that Albert, "Gort"
Gore, Jr., (a robot who would destroy the world to save it :-)) told the
Rolling Stone:
> I loved The Matrix.
Innumeracy
Archives are on www.inet-one.com
At 02:50 PM 10/23/00 +0300, Sampo A Syreeni wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Tim May wrote:
>
>>The book I recommended a week or two ago, Judea Pearl's "Causality,"
>>is much more advanced in its mathematics. (But the math is important
>>if one is actually trying to
>> From: petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> > The point is that you are *forcing* me to part with my
>> > productive labor to support someone else.
>> >
>> > This makes me unhappy. Under your beliefs, you can't do this,
>> > as I have a right to be happy.
>
>No dipshit, you have a right to TRY T
>On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, petro wrote:
>
>> > Of course, in the libertarian ideal universe someone not
>> >completely indigent who had a genetic condition that made them high risk
>> >might still be unable to get any kind of catastropic medical insurance
>> >and might be wiped out of virtually a
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>On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 11:08:48PM -0700, petro wrote:
>> >
>> > Of course, in the libertarian ideal universe someone not
>> >completely indigent who had a genetic condition that made them high risk
>> >might still be unable to get any kind
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>On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 10:59:51PM -0700, petro wrote:
>>
>> >> That's true, but it is irrelevant. As long as insurance companies
>> >> and hospitals are privately owned, putting a requirement like this
>> >> one on them constitutes theft o
At 2:08 AM -0400 10/24/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/magazine/text/excerpt.asp?afl=rsn&lngF
>eatureID=120&lngStyleID
>
> What's in your top five from the past year?
>
> Being John Malkovich; East Is East; Shal
--
At 09:07 PM 10/22/2000 -0700, Nathan Saper wrote:
> OK, granted, the government needs to be kept on a tight leash. Most
> people will not want the government breaking into their homes.
> However, I think most people would be willing to vote for a bill
> that would guarantee insurance
At 02:27 AM 10/20/2000, Tim May wrote:
...
>PCBs are as close as your nearest utility pole transformer.
>
>Are they as dangerous as reporters have led us to believe? My suspicion? No.
...
Granted, this thread is probably about as old and dead as it can get.
I've had an electronics engineer, a fo
Missed something, what about Nevada?
At 04:30 AM 9/14/2000 +, Mike Brown wrote:
>How about Nevada?
>_
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>
>Share information about yourself, create
On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Nathan Saper wrote:
>Yes, it does. And I think we as Americans, as well as our government,
>should do everything in our power to help. However, the first concern
>of any government is its own population.
No, the first concern of any and every government is its own
survi
At 3:25 AM -0400 10/23/00, Dave Emery wrote:
>On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 10:41:06PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
>> At 1:10 AM -0400 10/23/00, Dave Emery wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Nobody dies without healthcare under our present system.
>>
>> Actually, many people do. What planet have you been living on?
At 2:50 PM +0300 10/23/00, Sampo A Syreeni wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Tim May wrote:
>
>>The book I recommended a week or two ago, Judea Pearl's "Causality,"
>>is much more advanced in its mathematics. (But the math is important
>>if one is actually trying to construct the causality diagrams Pea
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>> recant
>
>"Recount", right?
So right it hurts. GOD!
>Asking Tim, or anyone else here for that matter, me included, to recant
>something, is, of course, an invitation to verbal violence. :-).
You can say that again. For less, even, as I well know. E
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 11:08:48PM -0700, petro wrote:
> >
> > Of course, in the libertarian ideal universe someone not
> >completely indigent who had a genetic condition that made them high risk
> >might still be unable to get any kind of catastr
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 10:59:51PM -0700, petro wrote:
>
> >> That's true, but it is irrelevant. As long as insurance companies
> >> and hospitals are privately owned, putting a requirement like this
> >> one on them constitutes theft of their re
At 10:35 PM -0700 10/22/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
>
>This is true in theory. However, from what I have read, it appears
>that the care given to these people is far from the quality of care
>given to those who can pay. Also, many diseases require very
>expensive treatments, and I do not believe the
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From: petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The point is that you are *forcing* me to part with my
> productive labor to support someone else.
>
> This makes me unhappy. Under your beliefs, you can't do this,
> as I have a right to be happy.
If this were an episode on the ori
>
> Of course, in the libertarian ideal universe someone not
>completely indigent who had a genetic condition that made them high risk
>might still be unable to get any kind of catastropic medical insurance
>and might be wiped out of virtually all assets by a serious illness,
>even one comp
>> That's true, but it is irrelevant. As long as insurance companies
>> and hospitals are privately owned, putting a requirement like this
>> one on them constitutes theft of their resources. If you want to
>> have them engaging in charity, set up a charity and solicit money
>> instead. i
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On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 12:59:08AM -0400, Me wrote:
> From: "Nathan Saper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > However, I think most people would be willing to vote for a
> bill that
> > would guarantee insurance for people with genetic
> abnormalities, even
>
>
At 6:20 AM +0200 10/23/00, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>[Fwd]
>
>For anyone in the SF Bay Area who is even mildly interested in the privacy
>discussion, I highly recommend that you attend a public affairs-style
>discussion on Internet privacy to be held at The Commonwealth Club on
>Thursday, October 26, f
At 2:44 PM -0700 10/22/00, Greg Broiles wrote:
>At 12:33 AM 10/22/00 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Nathan Saper wrote:
>>
So these people are entitled to something for nothing?
(or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)?
>>>
>>>That's the whole ide
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 08:12:45PM -0700, James A.. Donald wrote:
> At 07:09 PM 10/22/2000 -0700, Nathan Saper wrote:
> > I think the government has a right to do whatever it needs to do to
> > maintain the health and well-being of its population.
At 08:12 PM 10/22/00 -0700, James A.. Donald wrote:
> --
>At 07:09 PM 10/22/2000 -0700, Nathan Saper wrote:
> > I think the government has a right to do whatever it needs to do to
> > maintain the health and well-being of its population. That is the
> > purpose of the government.
>
>Then the
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 12:33:39AM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Nathan Saper wrote:
>
> >> So these people are entitled to something for nothing?
> >> (or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)?
> >
> >Tha
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Nathan Saper wrote:
>The point is, it's not fair to punish someone for a genetic defect
>that isn't his or her fault.
What has fairness got to do with it? People are born with genetic
defects; it's manifestly unfair, but it's true. Insurers are in
business to make mo
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Nathan Saper wrote:
>> So these people are entitled to something for nothing?
>> (or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)?
>
>That's the whole idea of insurance, isn't it?
>
You're trolling, aren't you?
Insurance is a good idea for the insured because
>From: "The Truth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:54:05 -0400
>Subject: ST1100: John Korb and Two Brothers Racing
>
> The late John Korb had learned how Two Brothers Racing has alledgedly
>stolen the ST1100 accessory designs of Ron Major, and continues to this day
>to represent
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From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: jim bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Cypherpunks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 21:09 PM
Subject: Re: Cost to "break" 1024-bit PGP (RSA) in 1997?
> "jim bell" &
>OK. So how about preventative care? It might well be that by insuring
>everyone and keeping them in health, the total risk per dollars paid for
>coverage actually goes down. Especially if infectious diseases can be kept
>in check. Plus, the sum total of money paid by the insurees goes up as they
>On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>
>>> How does crypto-anarchy/libertarian/anarchy propose to deal with the
>>> "tragedy of the commons" where by doing what is best for each persons own
>>> interests they end up screwing it up for everyone (Overgrazing land with to
>>> many cattle i
>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Anonymous wrote:
>
>>Crypto-anarchy is in fact not really anarchy, since it only addresses
>>some kinds of authority, ie government, and only in certain situations.
>>True anarchy involves the dissolution of other hierarchical relationships,
>>including those that spring from
Mr. May said:
>PCBs are as close as your nearest utility pole transformer.
>
>Are they as dangerous as reporters have led us to believe? My suspicion? No.
Just wait until the News Media realizes that everyone who
ever died had also inhaled O2.
"Breathing leads to dying, stop now
Stefan Arentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] I do not want to buy a complete BSAFE license.
> It is too expensive and I only need RC4.
This is apparently a common misconception -- at least it keeps
popping up among people discussing WAP, SSL, CDPD, and PPTP-compatible
p
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Sampo A Syreeni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
This cannot be achieved if some people are allowed to opt out of
the gamble.
Some folks have not opted in in the first place. Do you honestly
expect all of them to just meekly submit to this kind of assault?
T
At 08:29 PM 10/20/00 GMT, Tito Singh wrote:
>Any suggested parameters or "recipes" for ducking under the govt's radar
>regarding school loan collectionminimal property holdings, shift
>belongings to spouses name, cousins name, liquidize and hideetc...
Yup. Quit your job at the police f
At 06:25 AM 10/20/00 -0700, Marshall Clow wrote:
>At 2:11 PM +0300 10/20/00, Sampo A Syreeni wrote:
>>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Marshall Clow wrote:
>>>So these people are entitled to something for nothing?
>>>(or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)?
>>>Why?
>>
>>Because keeping peo
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> Of course all of us knew this. The article is
> good for explaining to non-technical friends.
>
> http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB972002214791170991.htm
At 11:50 AM -0600 10/20/2000, Bob Jueneman wrote:
>Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken
>little, the sky is falling" syndrome.
>
>It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type
>of solution to factoring large numbers that would end up complete
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:26:48PM -0500, Kevin Elliott wrote:
> At 22:42 -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
> >Coverage is most often less expensive than care. Therefore, one may
> >be able to afford the coverage, but not afford the care, if it end
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote:
> I read the Massey and Maurer paper (One can find it at
> http://www.isi.ee.ethz.ch/publications/isipap/umaure-mass-inspec-1993-
> 1.pdf ) and I have a couple of comments on it.
This is just silly. There's nothing wrong with Rijndael.
-Bram Coh
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 02:30:40AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote:
> Nathan Saper wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:02:44AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote:
> > > Nathan Saper wrote:
> > >
> > > < > > to cover people at a rate to be set by someone other th
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 02:19:25AM -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
> Nathan Saper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Close. I am arguing that insurance companies shouldn't be allowed to
> > deny coverage based upon factors that the insuree does not have
> >
From: "Nathan Saper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > So these people are entitled to something for nothing?
> > (or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)?
> That's the whole idea of insurance, isn't it?
The point of insurance is to pool resources and spread risk; it
isn't a ponzi scheme
Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken little, the sky
is falling" syndrome.
It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type of solution to
factoring large numbers that would end up completely breaking RSA, or that some way
would be found to co
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> > This list is no stranger to Tim May's sarcasm and anti-semitic rants.
At 02:14 AM 10/20/2000 -0700, petro wrote:
> He's bashing a completely facist and dictatorial country of
> which a sizeable number of citizens are completely willing to
> commit genocide of the ve
Bush also seemed to criticize the MS antitrust lawsuit yesterday:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39570,00.html
On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 12:13:53PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> I know Declan is libertarian-leaning, but it seems to me he has good
> reason to hope Bush wins. Look at Bush's la
At 2:11 PM +0300 10/20/00, Sampo A Syreeni wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Marshall Clow wrote:
>
>>So these people are entitled to something for nothing?
>>(or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)?
>>
>>Why?
>
>Because keeping people operable longer makes for net savings for the
>
Right. While I feel some sense of moral obligation to feel compassion
for victims of genocide in Africa, the reality is that traffic in
downtown Washington affects me more.
To paraphrase:
One person dying is a tragedy
One million dying is a statistic
One billion lost in NASDAQ value is a serious
At 2:45 PM -0700 on 10/19/00, Bill Stewart wrote:
> "teergrube"
Cool.
An email version of the spider-trap somebody built at Sandia 4 or 5 years ago.
Teergrube means "tarpit", right?
Marvellous, just marvellous. Hang out on this list, you learn something,
even if everyone knows it before you
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Typical of May to wish that those who he hates be nuked, but please don'tt
> let it effect his portfolio.
>
so? in that respect he's a great relief from all the "houlier than thou"
"for the chiiildren" pseudo-moralists.
in the end, nobody cares if he's not affect
>Your neighbor pollutes your lungs or your land and you don't know
>what to do about it? Shit man, get real -- $5 bucks worth of gasoline
>and a midnight stroll takes care of his house, him, and his family.
Burning someones house down is *REALLY* bad for the air and
land around the
>This list is no stranger to Tim May's sarcasm and anti-semitic rants.
He's bashing a completely facist and dictatorial country of
which a sizeable number of citizens are completely willing to commit
genocide of the very same kind that was once waged against them.
I cannot reca
>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Neil Johnson wrote:
>
>>But the Bob has no control of his risk (genetics), or at least not yet :).
>>The insurance company does.
>
>Say What?! Sorry, no insurance company has the power to say who
>is and is not born with particular genetics.
>
>>I don't have a problem with i
>
>This is why the current American system where virtually everyone's
>insurance pays for virtually every visit to the doctor is such a
>bad idea. People should be paying for their ordinary, year-in
>year-out health care. Insurance should only enter the picture if
The system only works
>Most insurance companies are worth millions, if not billions, of
>dollars, and they make huge profits. Insuring all of the people that
>they now deny based on genetic abnormalities would still allow them to
>make decent profits.
So? Where is it mandated that they cover those?
>Tim May wrote:
>>
>> At 11:38 PM -0400 10/18/00, Steve Furlong wrote:
>> >At most, an insurance company would have some information Bob didn't
>> >have. Bob could reasonably demand a copy of the results of his DNA test.
>...
>> >If the insurance company refused, he could shop elsewhere. Or
>>
>> Another socialist simp-wimp heard from.
>>
>> Lots of socialists to be dealt with and disposed of. I wonder who
>> will stoke the furnaces?
>>
>Not very many if enough of us "simp-wimps" gather enough e-cash to create
>our own
>"Imprisonment Betting Pool".
>
>I think languishing in jail with
>At 9:11 PM -0500 10/18/00, Neil Johnson wrote:
>>Two Things:
>>
>>1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in
>>crypto-anarchy.
>> (Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the
>>teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or
>Two Things:
>
>1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in
>crypto-anarchy.
> (Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the
>teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them
>anonymous digital cash
>to go away).
>> >Come on, lighten up. The guy's receiving spam, and like most people,
>> >he gets pissed about it. So he sends a nasty email to the address in
>> >the From: line of the spams. Can you blame him?
>>
>> He's not getting spam. He's been subscribed to the
>> cypherpunks list by someone
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>On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:17:17PM -0700, petro wrote:
>>
>> >> >Even if they do (which I haven't heard of, but I could be wrong), the
>> >> >trend right now is more corporate power, less governmental power. As
>> >> >I said before, we are
At 12:14 AM -0700 10/20/00, petro wrote:
>>At 1:39 PM -0400 10/18/00, Tim May wrote:
>>
>>
>>There's also a very scarce compilation of "The Peace War" and
>>"Marooned in Realtime" which is called "Across Realtime." It
>>contains "The Ungoverned" in between the two novels. Good luck in
>>finding
well, is Armey opposed to Carnivore? Or not?
MacN
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
>
> And a Napster poll:
> http://freedom.gov/vote/vote5.asp
>
>
>
> http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/19/2251239
>
> Justice Department Carnivore Review a Sham?
Neil asked:
> Same deal. I'd rather it not be polluted in the first place.
> And how do I sue some one if there is no judicial system or government to
> enforce the
> decision. "Joe's International House of Justice" ?
Most EarthFirst! folks have figured out that you just have to forget abou
> "9950013" == auto9950013 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
9950013> Tim's anti Jewish sentiments are obvious in his current
9950013> posts and in the past.
And your irrelevant drivel has earned you a place in my killfile.
Congratulations!
--
Matt Curtin, Founder Interhack Corporation
To expand on this point:
At 10:58 AM -0700 10/19/00, Tim May wrote:
>
>Indeed. We used to have the reasonable expectation that nearly
>everyone on the list had some familiarity with the "classics." For
>example, Friedman's "Machinery of Freedom," Hazlitt's "Economics in
>One Lesson," Hayek's
At 22:42 -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
>Coverage is most often less expensive than care. Therefore, one may
>be able to afford the coverage, but not afford the care, if it ends up
>being required.
BAHHHLOL God, that's the funniest thing I've ever
read. BY DEFINITION, care
At 9:20 PM -0600 on 10/18/00, Anonymous wrote:
> Crypto-anarchy is in fact not really anarchy, since it only addresses
> some kinds of authority, ie government, and only in certain situations.
> True anarchy involves the dissolution of other hierarchical relationships,
> including those that spr
At 9:11 PM -0500 on 10/18/00, Neil Johnson wrote:
> How does crypto-anarchy/libertarian/anarchy propose to deal with the
> "tragedy of the commons" where by doing what is best for each persons own
> interests they end up screwing it up for everyone (Overgrazing land with to
> many cattle is the
Nathan Saper gropes:
>On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:02:44AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote:
> > Nathan Saper wrote:
> > > < > to cover people at a rate to be set by someone other than the insurance
> > company. Tim May objects to this plan.>>
>
>Close. I am arguing that insurance companies shouldn't be
At Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:39:13 -0700 Nathan Saper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> Unless I'm mistaken, there is no essential physical law that
> determines computing power, exploits of algorithms, etc.
> The same cannot be said for speed-of-light travel.
Data storage probably requires at least an ato
>I need a perl module or a function that would perform symmetric key
>encryption/decryption. I need it to encode secret information in
>URLs. Thanks
I thought you were brighter than that Igor.
http://search.cpan.org/search?mode=module&query=encrypt
--
A quote from Petro's Archiv
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> >On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:48:48PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I dont now where did y
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> >> >Even if they do (which I haven't heard of, but I could be wrong), the
> >> >trend right now is more corporate power, less governmental power. As
> >> >I said before, we are already se
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> At 12:22 10/18/2000 -0700, jim bell wrote:
> >I ask this, what I believe would be an excellent idea for an article: Why
> >didn't the Internet develop even faster than it actually did? 9600 bps
> >modems existed in 1986,
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:19:27PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> At 5:50 PM -0700 10/17/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:07:00PM -0400, David Honig wrote:
> >> At 09:14 PM 10/16/00 -0400, Nathan Saper wrote:
> >> >When do cops tak
On Tuesday, October 17, 2000, at 08:19 PM, Tim May wrote:
At 5:50 PM -0700 10/17/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
>On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:07:00PM -0400, David Honig wrote:
>> Not yet. But I believe the UK takes samples of everyone
>> arrested (not necessarily guilty) of minor crimes, and some
>>
At 5:50 PM -0700 10/17/00, Nathan Saper wrote:
>
>On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:07:00PM -0400, David Honig wrote:
>> At 09:14 PM 10/16/00 -0400, Nathan Saper wrote:
>> >When do cops take DNA at traffic stops?
>>
>> Not yet. But I believe the UK takes samples of everyone
>> arrested (not necessa
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 02:43:14PM +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
> Nathan Saper wrote:
>
> > Fine. My basis for my claim is that the NSA is the best funded and
> > best equiped electronic intelligence agency in the world, and they
> > have employed some o
LOL. That was a masterpiece! Now if you could put all that divine
inspiration and energy into something creative :-)
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, John Galt wrote:
>
> That was not rude. This is rude: it is my fervent wish that someone as
> stupid as yourself under no circumstances breed. T
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, John Galt wrote:
>Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand
>for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity...
Do you imagine for an instant that a list like this could go out,
be available to anonymous people, and *N
It occurs to me that the NSA may in fact have a much easier time
of cracking most encrypted messages than is generally believed by
the people who use them.
We can rule out the idea that they may have computers capable of
solving the ciphers by a brute force key search or modulus factoring
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At 7:24 AM -0400 10/17/00, John Young wrote:
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>The question occurs: did PK crypto get leaked on purpose?
>How was it done?
I'm not sure what your implication is, though I have some suspicion
you are insinuating that the NSA and Company knew PK was somehow weak
and so it leaked it.
Well, sev
At 11:58 AM 10/16/00 -0700, Joshua R. Poulson wrote:
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>Isn't utterly obvious that the NSA, just any decent person,
>compartmentalizes its security so that if one system were
>broken, the other systems would not necessarily be broken?
Very well said. They also benefit from security via obscurit
16/2000 08:48:24
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>Please respond to Mac Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>cc: Cypherpunks Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Protecting Our Children
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gt;futher emails. Whoever this person is in dire of an ego check! I simply
>requested to be taken off a list - no need for the organization/person to
>take it personally & act like so childish.
>
>Thank you for your help!
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> "Tim" == Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Tim> This is helpful because it pushed anonymity back into the
Tim> technological arena, where it belongs.
Indeed.
With all of the people running around claiming that data which are
pseudonymous are actually anonymous, it's no wonder that t
>One of the points I believe is sorely missing in these discussions is how
>important "improvements in algorithms" can be. In the narrowest sense, I
>agree with your statements - but I have also seen what elegant alternative
>approaches can do to systems that were presumed to be vulnerable only t
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On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 11:33:53PM -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
> Nathan Saper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Huh? Tarquin Fintimlinbin-Whinbimlim-Bus Stop F'Tang F'Tang Olé
> > > Biscuit-Barrel?
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> > Uh, what?
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> This is a reference to a Monty
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>On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 05:28:19PM -0400, Jordan Dimov wrote:
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>>I don't know much about crypto politics, but... isn't it utterly
>> obvious that the mere fact that the NSA suggest a certain a
intelligence?
>From: "Vanessa Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Sean Roach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: take me off ur list thank you!
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:07:48 -0400
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