Re: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-03 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Duncan Frissell wrote: At 12:29 PM 3/1/00 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: Capitalism is not equivalent to freedom in any manner. If anything the pursuit of capitalist goals has driven more abuse than help by many orders of magnitude. There is a reason the Constitution

Re: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-02 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 12:29 PM 3/1/00 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: Capitalism is not equivalent to freedom in any manner. If anything the pursuit of capitalist goals has driven more abuse than help by many orders of magnitude. There is a reason the Constitution doesn't mention business rights or commerce in general

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-01 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] It might not even be the "standard of living" making for the disparity, but rather the value of the dollar versus the value of the local currency. Sure, these guys make $20 a month, but that $20 a month would buy them as much as our $2000

Re: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-01 Thread Tom Vogt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any government needs appropriate leadership, that is an assumption, as yet unproven. I agree that it DOES sound good, but it is still an assumption. since the rest of your argument rests on it, you should give it a little more support. especially in its infancy..

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-01 Thread Curtis Fockler
PROTECTED] To: Jim Burnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:20:35 -0500 (EST) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: February 29, 2000

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-01 Thread Sunder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a problem. You get them an emergency, you feed them FUD and scare them, and they'll bend over in every direction you ask. Hell, just scream terrorist and they'll happily put up with all sorts of nonsense to take a plane ride. Wow. You're good at this! You

Re: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-01 Thread Sunder
Missouri FreeNet Administration wrote: :Erm, what, Russia is not good enough an example for you? No, it is definitely not. the USSR (not "Russia" BTW) was no more a genuine communist state than the US is a genuine capitalist state. :If you agree (and I :don't speak for you) that there

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-01 Thread mgraffam
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Sunder wrote: So then, what's the answer? Capitalism or Crapunism under anarchy? :) Dunno .. but I sort of suspect that if we could pull off a true anarchy that it wouldn't matter much. Individuals could clump together and institute whatever sort of socio-economic system

Re: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-03-01 Thread Sunder
Amen brother! Sing it again! Ain't nothing sweeter than freedom. And that's as capitalist as you can get. Now if only Uncle Sam would stop fucking it over with bullshit anti-gun, anti-speech, insane taxes, and pro-bureocractic regulation bullshit laws! Curtis Fockler wrote: Come on out

Re: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-29 Thread Missouri FreeNet Administration
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Sunder wrote: :Missouri FreeNet Administration wrote: : : (J.A. Terranson donned his extra heavy asbestos underwear, then appended : his thoughts thusly...) : : (1) I would argue that there has yet to *be* an actual *Communist* state : by which we could gauge the

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-29 Thread mgraffam
Sorry for the delay in response -- my provider has had some problems as of late. On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Jim Burnes wrote: Well, OK...thats a null statement. Most people have no idea what conditions are in other nations. Why should they care? (unless they dont like where they are living and

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-29 Thread mgraffam
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Missouri FreeNet Administration wrote: :Well, OK...thats a null statement. Most people have no idea what conditions :are in other nations. Why should they care? (unless they dont like where :they are living and want to move). (1) I would argue that there has yet to

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-29 Thread mgraffam
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Tom Vogt wrote: Missouri FreeNet Administration wrote: (1) I would argue that there has yet to *be* an actual *Communist* state by which we could gauge the Communist existense. now, I've heard THAT argument until I grew sick of it. say, isn't the fact that there

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-29 Thread Tom Vogt
Missouri FreeNet Administration wrote: (1) I would argue that there has yet to *be* an actual *Communist* state by which we could gauge the Communist existense. now, I've heard THAT argument until I grew sick of it. say, isn't the fact that there hasn't been a communist state despite several

Re: Damn french ;-) (Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?))

2000-02-28 Thread Declan McCullagh
To correct myself: My Canon does 5 fps. The Nikon D-1, which came out last October, can do 4.5 photos/second. This is comparable to all but the speediest analog cameras. My analog Canon can only do 8 photos/sec.

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-28 Thread Sunder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is the herd mentality. When I get Joe Average alone, sit down and reason with him I find that most times we share a good deal of insights and we both go away from the discussion better off .. its when you get people in a group that things go astray.

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-28 Thread Missouri FreeNet Administration
(J.A. Terranson donned his extra heavy asbestos underwear, then appended his thoughts thusly...) On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Jim Burnes wrote: :[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : Irrelevent. No one is arguing that existence under communist rule is : a holiday -- or even better than existence in the U.S.

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-28 Thread Jim Burnes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irrelevent. No one is arguing that existence under communist rule is a holiday -- or even better than existence in the U.S. The statement is simply that the average american knows dick about the conditions that exist in other nations, and as an aside, is oblivious

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-26 Thread Sunder
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Aaron wrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:48:11 -0500, Sunder wrote: FYI: corporations don't own my ass. I'd say the reverse is true though. Ever hear of stock? When you buy it, you own a piece of their asses. Yeah, and you're Ted Turner? Don't equate yourself to the

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-26 Thread Aaron
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:48:11 -0500, Sunder wrote: FYI: corporations don't own my ass. I'd say the reverse is true though. Ever hear of stock? When you buy it, you own a piece of their asses. Yeah, and you're Ted Turner? Don't equate yourself to the bourgeoisie. You only make me laugh at

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-26 Thread Sunder
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh puhleeze. Research before you speak. I was born in a satelite of Red Russia. It was a commie state. I remember it all too well. Joe Sixpack might not give a shit about how much it sucks elsewhere. I do, I was there. Irrelevent. No

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-26 Thread Xenophon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The statement is simply that the average american knows dick about the conditions that exist in other nations..snip Americans condemn Communism usually without even having read the Communist Manifesto; snip Americans condemn Communism without knowing shit about

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-26 Thread mgraffam
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Sunder wrote: Anonymous Sender wrote: It's amusing how the brainwashing shows its ugly face when the appropriate stimulus is applied. For most US subjects it is the "communism" thingie. Oh puhleeze. Research before you speak. I was born in a satelite of Red

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-26 Thread mgraffam
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Sunder wrote: Irrelevan my ass. I'm offended that you would assume such a thing about anyone. I won't let you escape this arguement by stating "But I said the Average American and you're not average." The average American isnt' knowledgeable about cyphers, or the

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-26 Thread mgraffam
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Xenophon wrote: Bowing to the majority rule of democracy is not something we should have to do in a republic. 51% should not be able to successfully implement a campaign of theft. Of course, but far more than 51% of the American people in every state of the union,

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-25 Thread k92t3rd
At Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:06:57 -0600, "Aaron" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:27:13 -0500, Sunder wrote: Aaron wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:58:25 -0500, Sunder wrote: PS: concluding that someone needs to die because their unorthodox ideas cause the theft of your

Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: why worry?)

2000-02-25 Thread Sunder
Aaron wrote: Blah, blah, blah, keep repeating your party line commie mantra. Otherwise, how else would you, yourself believe it. Obviously, if you didn't give a shit about my property, you wouldn't bother making such a big deal about it. You just go ahead and believe your bullshit all you