Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-13 Thread Mirimir
On 08/13/2018 03:14 PM, juan wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 15:17:45 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > > >> >> Ummm, no :) There are still many extreme .onion sites. Mainly "hard >> candy". A quick scan yielded eight that were up when I checked: > > > Well, I'd say most of your links show that the

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-13 Thread juan
On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 15:17:45 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > > Ummm, no :) There are still many extreme .onion sites. Mainly "hard > candy". A quick scan yielded eight that were up when I checked: Well, I'd say most of your links show that the content is hardly extreme. Four versions of the

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-11 Thread Mirimir
On 08/11/2018 02:05 PM, juan wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:43:07 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> On 08/09/2018 08:42 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:01:46 -0700 >>> Mirimir wrote: >>> >>> >> >> So? Well, if they [mix networks] are not being implemented, they're not >> very

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-11 Thread juan
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:43:07 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > On 08/09/2018 08:42 PM, juan wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:01:46 -0700 > > Mirimir wrote: > > > > > > So? Well, if they [mix networks] are not being implemented, they're not > very useful. > >>> > Sure, there are better

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-10 Thread juan
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 00:20:43 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: >> >>     Hm. That may be a good point. I didn't assume a big 'democratic' >> majority was needed, but I was still thinking of some sizable percentage. >> But maybe 1% would be enough - or even less.  > Remember the statistic I like to

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-10 Thread Mirimir
On 08/09/2018 08:42 PM, juan wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:01:46 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > > So? Well, if they [mix networks] are not being implemented, they're not very useful. >>> >>> not useful for what? >> >> Huh? Are you retarded? Sure, you and your friends can setup

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-09 Thread juan
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:01:46 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > >> > >> So? Well, if they [mix networks] are not being implemented, they're not > >> very useful. > > > > not useful for what? > > Huh? Are you retarded? Sure, you and your friends can setup some super > duper mix network, but it won't

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-09 Thread Mirimir
On 08/09/2018 01:09 PM, juan wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:25:12 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> On 08/08/2018 11:01 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:44:53 -0700 >>> Mirimir wrote: >>> >>> Anyway, I vaguely recall proposed higher-latency mix networks that would be usable

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-09 Thread juan
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:25:12 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > On 08/08/2018 11:01 PM, juan wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:44:53 -0700 > > Mirimir wrote: > > > > > >> > >> Anyway, I vaguely recall proposed higher-latency mix networks that would > >> be usable for browsing, remote management, etc. But I

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-09 Thread Mirimir
On 08/08/2018 11:01 PM, juan wrote: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:44:53 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > > >> >> Anyway, I vaguely recall proposed higher-latency mix networks that would >> be usable for browsing, remote management, etc. But I haven't heard that >> any are actually getting implemented. > >

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-09 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 08:44:53PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > On 08/08/2018 11:21 AM, juan wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:42:37 -0700 > > Mirimir wrote: > >> But even so, people who want anonymity, some of them > >> doing illegal stuff, _will_ end up using Tor. So why not help them use > >> it

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-09 Thread juan
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:44:53 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > > Anyway, I vaguely recall proposed higher-latency mix networks that would > be usable for browsing, remote management, etc. But I haven't heard that > any are actually getting implemented. so? Not sure if you are keeping

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-08 Thread Mirimir
On 08/08/2018 11:21 AM, juan wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:42:37 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> On 08/07/2018 06:14 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:49:54 -0700 >>> Mirimir wrote: >>> >>> > for other stuff...do you have to ask? What sort of system do you think > should be

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-08 Thread juan
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:42:37 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > On 08/07/2018 06:14 PM, juan wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:49:54 -0700 > > Mirimir wrote: > > > > > >> > >>> for other stuff...do you have to ask? What sort of system do you think > >>> should be used for coordinating 'criminal'

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-08 Thread jim bell
On Monday, August 6, 2018, 3:59:14 PM PDT, juan wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 20:06:38 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: >>  If the public is shown good evidence that government can be taken down, >>they will decide that government SHOULD be taken down. >   WHY will they do that? To take down

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-08 Thread jim bell
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 8:47:46 PM PDT, Kurt Buff wrote: >And, USPS might (or might not) destroy the data, but they don't mention whether or not they pass it all on the some TLA or other as well as passing on to LEO's on-demand. Wouldn't put it past them... >Kurt I thought about this

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-07 Thread Kurt Buff
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 5:21 PM, jim bell wrote: > https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/03/us/postal-service-confirms-photographing-all-us-mail.html > > "But Mr. Donahoe said that the images had been used “a couple of times” by > law enforcement to trace letters in criminal cases, including one

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-07 Thread Mirimir
On 08/07/2018 06:14 PM, juan wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:49:54 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > > >> >>> for other stuff...do you have to ask? What sort of system do you think >>> should be used for coordinating 'criminal' activity, instead of streaming >>> super full SHD video for retards?

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-07 Thread Razer
Original message From: Mirimir Date: 8/7/18 5:49 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet,   and will not On 08/07/2018 05:04 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 14:21:12 -0700 > M

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-07 Thread juan
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:49:54 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > > > for other stuff...do you have to ask? What sort of system do you think > > should be used for coordinating 'criminal' activity, instead of streaming > > super full SHD video for retards? > > That's the question. And the

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-07 Thread Mirimir
On 08/07/2018 05:04 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 14:21:12 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> On 08/06/2018 02:03 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:36:18 -0700 >>> Mirimir wrote: >>> >>> I bet that you use nothing. I mean, damn, you're using a Gmail account. >>> >>> yes, and I

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-07 Thread jim bell
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 5:05:46 PM PDT, juan wrote:     as a side note of sorts  https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/03/us/postal-service-confirms-photographing-all-us-mail.html  × "But Mr. Donahoe said that the images had been used “a couple of times” by law enforcement to trace

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-07 Thread juan
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 14:21:12 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > On 08/06/2018 02:03 PM, juan wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:36:18 -0700 > > Mirimir wrote: > > > > > >> I bet that you use nothing. I mean, damn, you're using a Gmail account. > > > > yes, and I use it to order drugs via tor - after

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Steven Schear
According to reputable sources only about 10% of the American colonists actively took part in the Revolution. Most sat on the sidelines even though their futures were most uncertain and they new their lives would be forever changed. Those who opposed the revolt, the Tories, were forced to

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Douglas Lucas
Hi, On 08/06/18 13:06, jim bell wrote: > I've long believed that AP will "work" if only a few thousand > well-targeted government employees are killed. > It's basically a race:  If the public is shown good evidence that > government can be taken down, they will decide that government SHOULD be >

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread juan
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 20:06:38 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > If the public is shown good evidence that government can be taken down, they > will decide that government SHOULD be taken down. WHY will they do that? To take down the govt is a purely moral decision as your use of 'should'

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Mirimir
On 08/06/2018 02:03 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:36:18 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > > >> I bet that you use nothing. I mean, damn, you're using a Gmail account. > > yes, and I use it to order drugs via tor - after all many 'hidden' > services admins use their gmail accounts.

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread juan
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:36:18 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > I bet that you use nothing. I mean, damn, you're using a Gmail account. yes, and I use it to order drugs via tor - after all many 'hidden' services admins use their gmail accounts. That's how they get caught. > So maybe living in

Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Mirimir
On 08/06/2018 01:21 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 12:30:50 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: >> But seriously, if Tor is just Americunt honeypot, what do _you_ use for >> anonymity? > > whatever I use, or don't use, has exactly FUCK to do with any half > sensible analysis of the US

the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread juan
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 12:30:50 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > On 08/06/2018 12:07 PM, juan wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 09:14:11 -0700 > > Mirimir wrote: > > > >> That's a good point about bettors needing good enough anonymity to avoid > >> arrest. Even so, evidence from .onion marketplaces and child

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread jim bell
My comments inline: On Sunday, August 5, 2018, 9:36:18 PM PDT, Steve Kinney wrote: >Listen up you punks... >I will assume that readers already know how "Assasination Politics" >a.k.a. AP works.  If not, look it up:  I consider it a brilliant idea. >But like many brilliant ideas, one

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Mirimir
On 08/06/2018 12:17 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 09:14:11 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > > >> Adequate anonymity for assassins is a much harder problem. However, >> evidence from .onion marketplaces and child porn forums also suggests >> that Tor would be good enough. > > wow - so did

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Mirimir
On 08/06/2018 12:17 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 09:14:11 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: >> it seems that virtually all busts involved >> serious OPSEC fails. > > oh sorry, got it, when you say "evidence' you mean "the pentagon-tor > propaganda I parrot" > > >> But of course it's

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Mirimir
On 08/06/2018 12:07 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 09:14:11 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> That's a good point about bettors needing good enough anonymity to avoid >> arrest. Even so, evidence from .onion marketplaces and child porn forums >> suggests that Tor is good enough for users. > >

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread juan
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 09:14:11 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > Adequate anonymity for assassins is a much harder problem. However, > evidence from .onion marketplaces and child porn forums also suggests > that Tor would be good enough. wow - so did you get a bonus from the pentagon? Is that why

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread juan
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 09:14:11 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > That's a good point about bettors needing good enough anonymity to avoid > arrest. Even so, evidence from .onion marketplaces and child porn forums > suggests that Tor is good enough for users. what evidence are you talking about

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Steve Kinney
On 08/06/2018 12:14 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 08/05/2018 09:35 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: >> Listen up you punks... > > Thanks for that. Overall, it's a great analysis, and I mostly agree. > > > >> I see anonymity on the networks as nearly always relative and nearly >> never absolute. To achieve

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-06 Thread Mirimir
On 08/05/2018 09:35 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > Listen up you punks... Thanks for that. Overall, it's a great analysis, and I mostly agree. > I see anonymity on the networks as nearly always relative and nearly > never absolute. To achieve absolute anonymity, an individual must > commit "the

Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-05 Thread grarpamp
The printing of vast and corrupt stately sums always has a tough time going up against - The hero of the peoples, singular, or plural, philosophically - Defection of States armies to the peoples in civil war No such asshole states last forever.

AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

2018-08-05 Thread Steve Kinney
Listen up you punks... I will assume that readers already know how "Assasination Politics" a.k.a. AP works. If not, look it up: I consider it a brilliant idea. But like many brilliant ideas, one can find structural flaws if one looks closely enough. Here's my set: 1) AP treats anonymity on