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Re: Katy, bar the door
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, John Kelsey wrote: Hmmm. I agree, but if the attackers chose the right time (while the plane's on autopilot) to release the gas or whatever, they might have an hour or two to get through the cockpit door, with no resistance at all from the now-dead passengers or crew. Securing a cockpit door in those While we're discussing irrelevant scenarios, there's a recent trend in avionics buses to off the shelf networking protocols and buses. I much doubt the traffic is encrypted and/or authenticated, so a guy who could blow a small hole through the hull, stick a GPS antenna and/or a camera out of it, and splice into the avionics control bus with a laptop could fly around a bit. Disclaimer: this is just a funky irrelevant scenario, and I agree that the next time it's going to be something different, while everybody is staring hypnotized at flight security.
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?
at Monday, September 30, 2002 7:52 PM, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Is it practical for a particular group, for example a corporation or a conspiracy, to whip up its own damned root certificate, without buggering around with verisign? (Of course fixing Microsoft's design errors is never useful, since they will rebreak their products in new ways that are more ingenious and harder to fix.) Yup. In fact, some IPSec firewalls rely on the corporate having a local CA root to issue keys for VPN access. from there it is only a small step to using the same (or parallel issued) keys for email security. The problem there really is that the keys will be flagged as faulty by anyone outside the group (and therefore without the root key already imported), and that will usually only work in a semi-rigid hierachical structure. There *is* an attempt to set up something resembling a Web of trust using x509 certificiates, currently in the early stages at nntp://news.securecomp.org/WebOfTrust I intended to sign this using Network Associates command line pgp, only to discover that pgp -sa file produced unintellible gibberish, that could only be made sense of by pgp, so that no one would be able to read it without first checking my signature. you made a minor config error - you need to make sure clearsign is enabled. I suggest that network associates should have hired me as UI design manager, or failing, that, hired the dog from down the street as UI design manager. It's command line. Most cyphergeeks like command line tools powerful and cryptic :)
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?
An interesting tidbit in the September Information Security Bulletin is the claim from MessageLabs that only .005% of the mail they saw in 2002 is encrypted, up from .003% in 2000. (MessageLabs is an outsourcing email anti-virus company.) At this thrilling rate of growth, it will be on the order of between 30 and 40 years before we see most email being encrypted. And about 10 years before we start to see any real hope of a fax effect. Lets be sure to consider that the PGP model is working. After all, thats faster than the adoption of the, ummm, well, I'm sure someone can take comfort from it. Maybe even someone other than the eavesdroppers. Now, it may be that they have a unusual sampling because only a nutcase company would send all its email through a 3rd party processor. But I don't believe that to be true. Most companies send their email unencrypted through a single ISP. Messagelabs only has it slightly easier when it comes to eavesdropping. Last month, about 5% of my email was sent PGP encrypted, about 2% STARTTLS encrypted, and about 25% SSH encrypted to people on the same mail server, where POP and IMAP only function via SSH. I'd be interested to hear how often email content is protected by any form of crypto, including IPsec, Starttls, ssh delivery, or PGP or SMIME. There's probably an interesting paper in going out and looking at this. Adam -- It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. -Hume
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At 12:35 PM -0800 11/1/02, John Kelsey wrote: At 09:32 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills a few hundred people, but probably not many more. Which is yet another reason why securing the cockpit door very, very well is the single most important, and cheapest, solution. Hmmm. I agree, but if the attackers chose the right time (while the plane's on autopilot) to release the gas or whatever, they might have an hour or two to get through the cockpit door, with no resistance at all from the now-dead passengers or crew. I expect that in most cases, ATC would be concerned about no contact for an hour. In the modern age, that might be enough to scramble a fighter to go up and take a look. (A number of years ago, there was a case where a pilot, presumably asleep, flew right past Los Angles, over the Pacific ocean, and crashed. ATC was very concerned, but couldn't do anything to wake the pilot.) Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | The principal effect of| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | DMCA/SDMI is to prevent| 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | fair use. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
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Lack of asbestos fireproofing (FP) on structural steel could have played a role in the WTC collapse but the source of that argument, proponents of Junk Science and Herbert Levine, are on shaky ground. I've responded to their WTC asbestos-lack argument elsewhere, my main point being that asbestos is only one of several reliable, equally effective, FP materials available -- though asbestos is one of the oldest and the one with the most long-lived die-hards. (The asbestos industry for over a century promoted its material as a solution to a wide range of hazards, and battled in court repeatedly against those who disagreed -- the comparison with tobacco is apt. And like tobacco, an amazing number of its advocates died from exposure to the material so avidly promoted.) The problem all FP materials share is that of inept installation and poor maintenance, and none are effective if improperly installed and protected against deterioration as was the case with WTC -- not that WTC is unique in this. The installation and maintenance of FP materials in WTC has been documented as poor. Had the material been asbestos not much would have been different, and might have been worse. Installation of asbestos has been long known as poor, not least because the industry made it appear that even poor asbestos installation was superior to any other type. Not true. Independent testing laboratories set standards for FP and rate all materials by the same methodologies -- giving each system a fire-rating based on its resistance to fire and heat -- 1 hour, 2 hour and so on. Various parts of buildings are required by building codes to be fire-proofed for a set hourly resistance, e.g., 3-hours for floors and their supporing structure, 2-hours for interior walls acting as fire separations or mechanical system enclosures, 1-hour for hazardous materials storage. However, over time due to subsequent alterations, installations of mech/elec systems, and building movement, FP is often damaged and needs restoration to maintain its effectiveness. That does not happen. I see deficient FP in every building I inspect, my own work not excepted. You have to battle to get contractors to do it right. And owners to pay for quality work and maintenance rather than wait for vicitms and insurance companies to pay the tithe of negligence. The Port Authority is a negligent landlord and Silverstein is no better. But they are the norm for Junk Property Owners who promote attacks on Junk Science as a cover for their criminal venality. And in this they are kissing kin of the asbestos industry ghouls.
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Re: Fwd: Asbestos ban again cited as the real cause of WTC collapse
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Clarification of challenge to Joseph Ashwood:
-- James A. Donald: (ranting on the user hostility of PGP) Presumably the theory underlying this brilliant design decision was that in the bad old days, a [signed clear text file signed] under unix would not verify under windows because of trivial differences such as the fact the whitespace is expressed slightly differently. Here is a better fix, one that I implemented in Kong: Define several signature types with the default signature type ignoring those aspects of the message that are difficult for the user to notice, so that if a message looks pretty much the same to the user, it has the same signature, by, for example, canonicalizing whitespace and single line breaks, and treating the hard space (0xA0) the same as the soft space. (0x20), and so on and so forth. Joseph Ashwood: So it's going to be broken by design. These are critical errors that will eliminate any semblance of security in your program. James A. Donald: I challenge you to fool my canonicalization algorithm by modifying a message to as to change the apparent meaning while preserving the signature, or by producing a message that verifies as signed by me, while in fact a meaningfully different message to any that was genuinely signed by me. Let see you doing some work to back up your empty words. The source code for my canonicalization code is on the net. If you say it is broken, break it! To clarify, Kong works by checking a signature against the message, and against other messages in its database. Its job is not to identify the true James Donald, but to keep the different people claiming to be James Donald clearly separated. Thus Kong would be broken if such separation could be obfuscated or confused. Any program attempting to determine whether Bob is someone's true name is attempting to do something that computers cannot do, hence the intolerable certificate management problems of software that attempts to do that. Three quarters of the user hostility of other programs comes from their attempt to support true names, and the rest comes from the cleartext signature problem. Kong fixes both problems. Joseph Ashwood must produce a message that is meaningfully different from any of the numerous messages that I have sent to cypherpunks, but which verifies as sent by the same person who sent past messages. Thus for Kong to be broken one must store a past message from that proflic poster supposed called James Donald, in the Kong database, and bring up a new message hacked up by Joseph Ashwood, and have Kong display in the signature verification screen The signature in this document matches the signature on another document signed by James A. Donald. Do you wish to view this document. While Kong display a document meaningfully different from any that was posted by James A. Donald. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG gQcEhL/Zl68mNm0WaeG7zRK5M+/3qbaE0t84hURH 4st/8mhjCyBBCy1Ganf3ud6SNdzLZtUChQQbTA6SO
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Was soll das, ich habe über 50 mails, die an Sie gerichtet sind erhalten. Soll man legale Schritte unternehmen. ich fühel mich total belästigt. - Original Message - From: PoPbAnG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: [Newsletter] get me off this mother fucking spam shit NOW!!! ___ Newsletter mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://server4.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_blackmusic.ch ___ Newsletter mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://server4.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_blackmusic.ch
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It's probably a prank; I've gotten 10 messages tonight from irate people wanting to get off the list and it's probably making some fifteen-year-old chuckle. I never signed up for it either, but starting now everything from here is getting black-holed by my mail filter faster than this message generates a return receipt. Good luck;) Nathan Tenney wrote: An email address that I never give out for any reason started recieving email directed to this address. I never opted in for any type of music list. Whomever you are, just adding people into a list without their permission is a VERY BAD IDEA. Destroy your list at once, and start over the right way, please! ___ Newsletter mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://server4.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_blackmusic.ch
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Was läuft da ab, wenn das weiterhin passiert hetze ich euch die Polizei auf den Hals!!!
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Remove my id from your list -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Newsletter-admin;blackmusic.ch]Im Auftrag von Nathan Tenney Gesendet: Samstag, 2. November 2002 02:04 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Newsletter] What??? An email address that I never give out for any reason started recieving email directed to this address. I never opted in for any type of music list. Whomever you are, just adding people into a list without their permission is a VERY BAD IDEA. Destroy your list at once, and start over the right way, please! -- __ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ___ Newsletter mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://server4.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_blackmusic.ch ___ Newsletter mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://server4.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_blackmusic.ch
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Re: Katy, bar the door
At 09:32 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills a few hundred people, but probably not many more. Which is yet another reason why securing the cockpit door very, very well is the single most important, and cheapest, solution. Hmmm. I agree, but if the attackers chose the right time (while the plane's on autopilot) to release the gas or whatever, they might have an hour or two to get through the cockpit door, with no resistance at all from the now-dead passengers or crew. Securing a cockpit door in those circumstances is *much* harder than securing it against someone with a shorter time to get through, and with the possibility of active resistance from the other side. (I seem to recall hearing some pilot comment that he was very confident of his ability to keep someone from breaking through the door, just by flying so that it's almost impossible to stay on your feet. Certainly, trying to use a hacksaw or cutting torch or something wouldn't be much fun while the pilot did loops or something.) On the other hand, the pilot or copilot pretty much just have to figure out something is wrong and indicate this fact to the people on the ground, and there will be a plane along shortly to shoot them down if necessary. And I don't think this kind of gassing attack would work all that smoothly in practice--some people would be affected before others, due to nonuniformity in the way air is distributed in the cabin and different levels of susceptibility. The combination of a hard-to-break-into cockpit and some kind of response to prevent these planes being used as low-tech cruise missiles seems like a win. Maybe it would make sense to add some kind of remote surveilance of the cockpit, though I imagine this wouldn't be too popular with pilots, and they'd definitely need to secure the channel properly. --Tim May --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] // [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What email encryption is actually in use?
On Saturday 02 November 2002 12:09, Adam Shostack wrote: An interesting tidbit in the September Information Security Bulletin is the claim from MessageLabs that only .005% of the mail they saw in 2002 is encrypted, up from .003% in 2000. ... Last month, about 5% of my email was sent PGP encrypted, about 2% STARTTLS encrypted, and about 25% SSH encrypted to people on the same mail server, where POP and IMAP only function via SSH. I'd be interested to hear how often email content is protected by any form of crypto, including IPsec, Starttls, ssh delivery, or PGP or SMIME. There's probably an interesting paper in going out and looking at this. Well, here's a datum for you: in the past four or five months, I have sent exactly no encrypted email. There are several reasons, notably that most of my email correspondents are business types who can't handle encryption even after several lessons and checklists and even when the tools are integrated into the MUA. Prior to that, the encrypted email I've sent in the past year or so has almost always failed, because of version incompatibilities, human error, changes of email address, and what-not. Or because the recipient simply isn't bothering to decrypt mail any more because it's more trouble than it's worth for the low quality of information conveyed. The only business environment I've ever worked in which successfully used encrypted email mandated specific versions of mail client (Outlook, ecch) and PGP (integrated into Outlook), had a jackbooted thug to make sure everyone's keyring was up to date, and had a fairly small (couple dozen), mostly technically proficient, user base. And even there, half the time the encrypted message wasn't sensitive enough to be worth encrypting nor important enough to be worth decrypting. I have signed a few messages in the recent past, but that was probably even less worthwhile than encrypting them. For all I know, not a single one has been verified. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Vote Idiotarian --- it's easier than thinking
Re: Katy, bar the door
At 12:35 PM -0800 11/1/02, John Kelsey wrote: At 09:32 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills a few hundred people, but probably not many more. Which is yet another reason why securing the cockpit door very, very well is the single most important, and cheapest, solution. Hmmm. I agree, but if the attackers chose the right time (while the plane's on autopilot) to release the gas or whatever, they might have an hour or two to get through the cockpit door, with no resistance at all from the now-dead passengers or crew. I expect that in most cases, ATC would be concerned about no contact for an hour. In the modern age, that might be enough to scramble a fighter to go up and take a look. (A number of years ago, there was a case where a pilot, presumably asleep, flew right past Los Angles, over the Pacific ocean, and crashed. ATC was very concerned, but couldn't do anything to wake the pilot.) Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | The principal effect of| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | DMCA/SDMI is to prevent| 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | fair use. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
Re: Katy, bar the door
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, John Kelsey wrote: Hmmm. I agree, but if the attackers chose the right time (while the plane's on autopilot) to release the gas or whatever, they might have an hour or two to get through the cockpit door, with no resistance at all from the now-dead passengers or crew. Securing a cockpit door in those While we're discussing irrelevant scenarios, there's a recent trend in avionics buses to off the shelf networking protocols and buses. I much doubt the traffic is encrypted and/or authenticated, so a guy who could blow a small hole through the hull, stick a GPS antenna and/or a camera out of it, and splice into the avionics control bus with a laptop could fly around a bit. Disclaimer: this is just a funky irrelevant scenario, and I agree that the next time it's going to be something different, while everybody is staring hypnotized at flight security.
Re: Katy, bar the door
At 10:49 AM 11/2/02 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: (A number of years ago, there was a case where a pilot, presumably asleep, flew right past Los Angles, over the Pacific ocean, and crashed. ATC was very concerned, but couldn't do anything to wake the pilot.) Around a year ago a small private jet lost contact over the US. A jet was dispatched, saw iced windows, no response to signals. The plane was on autopilot, eventually crashed in the middle of nowhere. The passengers/pilot are believed to have passed out from anoxia. (The autopilot kept them at high altitude too!) When that trucker kamakazi'd into the state capital in Sacramento last year, they decided to put Jersey barriers up. Hard to do that in the air (Blimps with nets?)
Re: Fwd: Asbestos ban again cited as the real cause of WTC collapse
building I inspect, my own work not excepted. You have to battle to get contractors to do it right. And owners to pay for quality work and maintenance rather than wait for vicitms and insurance companies to pay the tithe of negligence. This is the same problem as with other expenses without immediate gratification and uncertain effectiveness (to the laymen) - use of hi-fi cryptography, for example. Too often the mere *existance* of a technology is used as an excuse to build systems which *require* such technology (and maintenance) and then do the token application of the technology and forget about it. I wonder if anyone used asbestos-steel-WTC meme (R) (TM) (C) to promote strong crypto ... = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
Re: Fwd: Asbestos ban again cited as the real cause of WTC collapse
Lack of asbestos fireproofing (FP) on structural steel could have played a role in the WTC collapse but the source of that argument, proponents of Junk Science and Herbert Levine, are on shaky ground. I've responded to their WTC asbestos-lack argument elsewhere, my main point being that asbestos is only one of several reliable, equally effective, FP materials available -- though asbestos is one of the oldest and the one with the most long-lived die-hards. (The asbestos industry for over a century promoted its material as a solution to a wide range of hazards, and battled in court repeatedly against those who disagreed -- the comparison with tobacco is apt. And like tobacco, an amazing number of its advocates died from exposure to the material so avidly promoted.) The problem all FP materials share is that of inept installation and poor maintenance, and none are effective if improperly installed and protected against deterioration as was the case with WTC -- not that WTC is unique in this. The installation and maintenance of FP materials in WTC has been documented as poor. Had the material been asbestos not much would have been different, and might have been worse. Installation of asbestos has been long known as poor, not least because the industry made it appear that even poor asbestos installation was superior to any other type. Not true. Independent testing laboratories set standards for FP and rate all materials by the same methodologies -- giving each system a fire-rating based on its resistance to fire and heat -- 1 hour, 2 hour and so on. Various parts of buildings are required by building codes to be fire-proofed for a set hourly resistance, e.g., 3-hours for floors and their supporing structure, 2-hours for interior walls acting as fire separations or mechanical system enclosures, 1-hour for hazardous materials storage. However, over time due to subsequent alterations, installations of mech/elec systems, and building movement, FP is often damaged and needs restoration to maintain its effectiveness. That does not happen. I see deficient FP in every building I inspect, my own work not excepted. You have to battle to get contractors to do it right. And owners to pay for quality work and maintenance rather than wait for vicitms and insurance companies to pay the tithe of negligence. The Port Authority is a negligent landlord and Silverstein is no better. But they are the norm for Junk Property Owners who promote attacks on Junk Science as a cover for their criminal venality. And in this they are kissing kin of the asbestos industry ghouls.
