Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Cardenas
You're a fucking racist. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous oppression, the pick up a book. Things may have been more violent in the 70's, but thats great. Some people think that revolutions don't happen by sitting behind a keyboard.

Digital Certificates

2003-02-19 Thread Joseph Ashwood
I was just wondering if anyone has a digital certificate issuing system I could get a few certificates issued from. Trust is not an issue since these are development-only certs, and won't be used for anything except testing purposes. The development is for an open source PKCS #11 test suite.

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Tim May wrote: Many of them switched dorm rooms around, resulting in de facto creation of segregated dorm halls. White students avoided these ghettoes, for good reason. (I interviewed in 1971 for a R.A. (resident assistant) position, to help with

Re: The Train Wreck is Proceeding Nicely

2003-02-19 Thread Eric Cordian
Tim Wrote: I predicted the Shuttle program would never succeed. I never expected cities on either body, because there was no economic reason to have them. (I used to hear the stuff about growing ultra-pure crystals in space, but I had seen Wacker's CZ crystal pullers, and I knew that

Re: The Train Wreck is Proceeding Nicely

2003-02-19 Thread Steve Mynott
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 12:01 Europe/London, Eric Cordian wrote: The space plane could be flying now, if the tanks didn't require a complete redesign from composite to aluminum. It could have gotten funded to be finished, instead of put into storage. Maybe in 10 years, someone will do

Re: The Train Wreck is Proceeding Nicely

2003-02-19 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:02:41 -0800, Tim May wrote: I'm quite happy with the way the train wreck/clusterfuck is developing. Consider some trends/outcomes: * dissatisfaction with NATO, tensions within the U.N. They just voted unanimously to send the weaponry to Turkey, just like the US

Re: CDR: Re: The Train Wreck is Proceeding Nicely

2003-02-19 Thread Eric Cordian
Neil Johnson wrote: However, for you new subscribers, I'd like to point out Tim's record for predicting the coming revolution. April 1995 Tim predicts the coming revolution as a result of the bombing of the Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma City. December 1999 Tim predicts the

State-sponsored terrorism (Chomsky): Oh.

2003-02-19 Thread Tyler Durden
Norman Nescio wrote... Calibrated? Sorry. Government reaction is in the form of asymmetrical threat and delivery of disproportionate force, whenever it exacts a penalty. That is the model presented for emulation. Oh. Perhaps I misunderstood your initial reaction to the word terrorism. If you

Re: Duct Busters

2003-02-19 Thread Sunder
Then, get a picture of Dubbya and duct tape his mouth and hang that on your car... Of course if you don't want your back window smashed in, you might think twice --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like

Re: Snow and Daredevil

2003-02-19 Thread Bill Stewart
At 08:39 PM 02/17/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 06:20 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: Thought Tim and others here might like this: http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-32/k-street-building-destroyed.html Took it today after the snowstorm... One of many things I don't

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Ken Brown
Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: Black leadership is one potential issue here, but the other ethnic groups that do so well in the US have no identifiable leaders here. Which is precisely why those ethnic groups do so well, while U.S. blacks do not. The value of leaders

Re: Re: Digital Certificates

2003-02-19 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: Eric Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: Digital Certificates On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 01:22:21PM -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: I was just wondering if anyone has a digital certificate issuing system I could get a few certificates issued from. Trust

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tim May wrote: It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. Well, this post explains a lot about Tim's attitude. Myself, I never ran into this kind of crap in

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tim May wrote: Swahili was the language they took to meet the minimal foreign language requirements. This sounds like the one worthwhile course in the bunch. One may learn a foreign language in order to be able to read important literary, historical, philosophical, or scientific works in

Re: Digital Certificates

2003-02-19 Thread Eric Murray
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 01:22:21PM -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: I was just wondering if anyone has a digital certificate issuing system I could get a few certificates issued from. Trust is not an issue since these are development-only certs, and won't be used for anything except testing

net down?

2003-02-19 Thread Harmon Seaver
Is there a major dos going on or what? For the last 4 hours or so I've been unable to access a big share of it, although I can still hit some. But mail seems to be still going thru, I'm getting mail from a couple lists at least including cpunx. I've tried using a number of different dns

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 04:43 PM, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tim May wrote: It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. Well, this post explains a lot

Re: net down?

2003-02-19 Thread Harmon Seaver
gee, that was sure fast. It normally takes a lot longer to get a message back from the list. Not only that, but I've even got my favorite streaming audio station play fine. Can't get much else where with http, ftp, telnet, even if the dns works for them, some other sites can't even get dns.

Re: A prediction

2003-02-19 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:24 PM 02/18/2003 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: But I think I have a history of making good predictions, for example I predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, so I will foolishly stick my neck out and make some predictions: Making predictions is difficult, especially about the future.

Re: Science Journal 'Self-Censorship'

2003-02-19 Thread John Kelsey
At 06:58 PM 2/16/03 -0500, Pete Capelli wrote: http://abc.net.au/news/scitech/2003/02/item20030216103135_1.htm Self-governance, the editors say, is an alternative to government review of forthcoming journal articles. I don't edit any science journals, but I would expect there is no law

Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever

2003-02-19 Thread John Kelsey
At 02:20 PM 2/15/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: ... They will be testing another missile soon. We shall see how far it goes. They would not waste a nuke on an untested missile --- which is why they test them. If their goal is to blackmail us into not invading them, I don't think they need

Re: A prediction

2003-02-19 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 03:24 PM 2/18/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: -- The Iraq war will, as everyone knows, be launched on the 27 or 28th of february. I was thinking about 0400 hours (GMT+3) on the morning of the 28th (that being Sunday in Muslim countries). Sunday the 2nd is dark of the moon and an

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... It was clear to me at the time that the focus on black pride was destructive of _real_ pride. Against my better judgement, I find myself agreeing with this statement on one level. However, it should be noted that the Black Pride movement of the late 60s and early 70s was a

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-19 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Cardenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MEChA is not a gang, they're an important part of helping lots of young people to be concious of their own heritage. MEChA is mostly about keeping college admission standards lower for South American-derived wannabe students[1]. This has recently gotten

Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters andminorities

2003-02-19 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: In the 80s I worked in one of the toughest High Schools in the country, in Brooklyn. During the late 60 and early seventies I briefly attended IS44 in New York City. This was one of the schools over which Al Shanker's teachers went on strike for

Re: A prediction

2003-02-19 Thread John Young
What's nice about predictions is that they are less than worthless, so nobody gives a shit about them except their makers. More Americans will die in the homeland than in and around Iraq. Most of the military who will die in and around Iraq will be no where near combat, just dying there the way

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tim May wrote: In the past fifteen years I have come to realize that crypto anarchy will probably change all this, as it makes for a system where only a competent elite does well. Probably fifty million marginal Americans, including nearly all of the so-called peoples of color, will, one

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread John Bethencourt
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 08:04:14PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Yeah, no kidding. Lot's of kids brought guns to school when I was in highschool. Kids that lived in the country would hunt before school, catch the schoolbus, with their rifle or shotgun in a case, of course, and put it in

Police state, plainclothes pigs need to die

2003-02-19 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Girl driving in car is attacked by men in car and tries to escape the attack. The men are pigs (DEA, of course) out of uniform in unmarked car. She is shot in head. Pigs will get away with this, of course. She was Mexican, lower class, in Texas, so expendable. - Teen shot by DEA

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tyler Durden wrote: Was this black people's fault? Nah. It's all of our fault. Bullshit. I had nothing to do with it. Collective guilt only dilutes responsibility and ensures that pathological behavior continues. Let me suggest some specific groups of people who are responsible: - The

Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Alif The Terrible
Just out of curiosity, which of the following would you classify as racist: Group(s) pushing Black Pride Group(s) pushing Latino Pride Group(s) pushing White Pride Group(s) pushing to Buy Black Group(s) pushing to Buy White I submit that all of the above are blatantly, obviously, racist,

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:43 PM 2/18/2003 -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tim May wrote: It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. Well, this post explains a lot about Tim's attitude.

gephardt for prez?

2003-02-19 Thread Declan McCullagh
February 19, 2003 Gephardt Formally Announces Presidential Candidacy Outlines Ambitious Proposals to lift this lagging economy and build a new American prosperity. St. Louis, MO  Dick Gephardt today announced his candidacy for the Presidency of the United States at the Mason Elementary School

Re: Stand back or I'll jump....

2003-02-19 Thread John Kelsey
At 03:21 PM 2/19/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: If their goal is to blackmail us into not invading them, I don't think they need to threaten to nuke LA or DC. As I said before, the obvious thing would be for North Korea to threaten to nuke itself! This should clearly be called the Blazing

To Steve Shear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress

2003-02-19 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Steve, you proposed that the deskhoes (congresshits, NASA managers) take the risks that they put others into. I mentioned this to my Dad and he reminded me that parachute packers in the military were required to jump with the chutes they packed at any time. ... Hackers don't work on their own

Re: Police state, plainclothes pigs need to die

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Major Variola (ret) wrote: Girl driving in car is attacked by men in car and tries to escape the attack. The men are pigs (DEA, of course) out of uniform in unmarked car. She is shot in head. Pigs will get away with this, of course. She was Mexican, lower class, in Texas, so expendable.

Re: Blood for Oil (was The Pig Boy was really squealing today

2003-02-19 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 09:20:16PM -, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: On , you wrote: You are anti-Bush anti-Iraq invasion. We got it. He's just trying to convince us that he's *really* serious about it. Hey Chaka: everybody here has already formulated their own opinion on Iraq some

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Steve Schear
At 03:00 PM 2/19/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Steve Schear and Tim May mention some interesting incidents. In Steve Schear's case, there's a mysterious absence of response: No one asked me about him, I never saw him again and none of the students said a word. Several days later three of

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread david
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 20:16, Bill wrote: At 5:53 PM -0800 2/17/03, Tyler Durden wrote: Any kid coming to school with a knife or gun gets thrown out, period. Gee, when I was in high school, I was on the high school rifle team. I still have the varsity letter with the crossed rifles on

Return to Sender.

2003-02-19 Thread professor rat
As part of the campaign, the U.S. Postal Service will send out brochures to every American. Return to sender and vote against waste and fear and warmongering,leave no chad unturned! http://news.com.com/2100-1023-985170.html?tag=fd_top

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tom Veil
Steve Schear wrote on February 19, 2003 at 12:23: (snipped] As was the regimen then, the class would line up before and after activities to check attendance, then we would shower. To help the instructor the lineup order was fixed. It so happened that the student behind me was one of those

Re: School of the future

2003-02-19 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: The real school of the future won't have classrooms at all, and no teachers as we now know them. Instead there will be workstations with VR helmets and a number of software gurus in the machine tailoring themselves to the individual students needs

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided to blacklist you for your far left-wing, socialist views, the quote from Ayn Rand notwithstanding. -- Tom Veil What the fuck are you talking about? Neither you nor anyone else

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Anonymous
Cardenas wrote on February 18, 2003 at 15:02: You're a fucking racist. I didn't see anything in his post that was indicative of an inherent belief in the superiority of any particular race. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tyler Durden
Steve Shear and Tim May mention some interesting incidents. In Steve Shear's case, there's a mysterious absence of response: No one asked me about him, I never saw him again and none of the students said a word. Several days later three of his friends tried to jump me I never saw them

School of the future

2003-02-19 Thread Tyler Durden
Teenager have the same right to self defense that adults do. Why would any sane kid want to go into one of those war zones unarmed? Why would any sane parent allow them to do so? Well, OK. But also don't expect anyone to teach 'em (at least not someone that can possibly find work elsewhere!)

Re: School of the future

2003-02-19 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:28:37PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Or, having a bullet-proof plexiglass wall between the teacher and 'students' could work. Bullhorns would also broadcast the lesson louder than kids could shout so that those that want to learn, could. Watercannon are also