Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

> "OTOH, using mobile
> devices or mail clients like outlook that is not so easy, and the
> 90ies are over..."

Bad logic. If 90s are over then it is really strange to cry about those
pictures in the age of ubiquitous 100/1000 Mbit соnnections. Especially
in the mailing list dedicated to huge images processing.

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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[Michael Below]

Hi,

Am 8. Mai 2018 06:23:03 MESZ schrieb Timur Irikovich Davletshin 
:
>On Mon, 2018-05-07 at 16:14 -0700, I. Ivanov wrote:
>> Is it an European practice not to top post?
...
>> It is actually extremely rare when people reply "in line".
>> 
>> So - is it indeed perceived as rude to top post or it is rather
>> regional 
>> preference?
...
>
>Top posting is not something considered rude and I'm OK with it. 
...
>Make it official and inform subscribers.

Top posting vs. inline is a matter of internet tradition (Usenet) vs newfangled 
AOL users/Outlook etc., see 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting

I learned some time back in Usenet newsgroups that it's rude not to trim down 
your replies to the relevant parts, and to reply inline so people could follow 
the debate more easily. OTOH, using mobile devices or mail clients like outlook 
that is not so easy, and the 90ies are over...

Cheers
Michael

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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

On Mon, 2018-05-07 at 16:14 -0700, I. Ivanov wrote:
> Is it an European practice not to top post?
> 
> I deal with quite a bit of email and everyone (that I have worked
> with 
> in North America) top posts when they reply to email.
> 
> It is actually extremely rare when people reply "in line".
> 
> So - is it indeed perceived as rude to top post or it is rather
> regional 
> preference?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> B

Reminds me of UN security council. One is whining, two are furious,
China's neutral, Russia's banning every US. initiative and no one wants
to make official rules :)

Top posting is not something considered rude and I'm OK with it. But if
 rules demand not top post... well I will respect them. Everybody's got
personal preferences and I find HTML formatting in email unnecessary
and unwrapped lines rude. But if they are not intentional and not
result of rules violation... well, I will just deal with it. There is
another 'but' — numerous mobile clients, they have their own formatting
rules.

Make it official and inform subscribers.

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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Michael  [05-07-18 20:28]:
> I never knew that "top posting" was a problem. Maybe I'm just used to it, but 
> I prefer to have the reply at the top so I don't have to scroll thru all the 
> messages in the chain to find the latest post.
> 
> On May 8, 2018 12:13:36 AM UTC, Patrick Shanahan  wrote:
> >* August Schwerdfeger  [05-07-18 19:53]:
> >> When using Gmail apps (at least in the U.S.), it is very complicated
> >*not*
> >> to "top post."
> >> 
> >> --
> >> August Schwerdfeger
> >> aug...@schwerdfeger.name
> >> 
> >> On Mon, May 7, 2018, 6:15 PM I. Ivanov  wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Is it an European practice not to top post?
> >> >
> >> > I deal with quite a bit of email and everyone (that I have worked
> >with
> >> > in North America) top posts when they reply to email.
> >> >
> >> > It is actually extremely rare when people reply "in line".
> >> >
> >> > So - is it indeed perceived as rude to top post or it is rather
> >regional
> >> > preference?
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > B
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 2018-05-07 12:28 AM, johannes hanika wrote:
> >> > > hi all,
> >> > >
> >> > > (sorry i'm top posting because i'm lost with all the different
> >levels
> >> > > of indentation below)
> >> > >
> >> > > i reconfigured the lists to only accept a maximum of 1MB per
> >email.
> >> > > sorry for any inconvenience, but i think forcing this may be a
> >good
> >> > > starting point for most of us.
> >> > >
> >> > > fwiw, https://pixls.us may be the better place to post large
> >images or
> >> > > even raw files to start a play raw thread and get more detailed
> >> > > feedback on image development questions.
> >> > >
> >> > > cheers,
> >> > >   jo
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 2:12 AM, Terry Duell 
> >wrote:
> >> > >> One way to "deal with it" is to make all the other mailing list
> >users
> >> > aware
> >> > >> of how inconsiderate and rude you are.
> >> > >> I don't have any desire to have an ongoing argument about this,
> >other
> >> > than
> >> > >> to try to make you aware, and understand, that posting large
> >files to a
> >> > >> mailing list is bad mailing list etiquette.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:55:53 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
> >> > >>  wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Well thats how it goes.  Useless to bitch about something
> >totally
> >> > >>> illusive.
> >> > >>> Just deal with it.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ma 7. toukokuuta 2018 klo 1.50 Terry Duell
> >
> >> > >>> kirjoitti:
> >> > >>>
> >> >  On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:42:16 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
> >> >   wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > > Well remove 'em if they are "too big".
> >> > >
> >> >  That doesn't prevent them arriving in my inbox.
> >> >  Attaching large files to a mailing list is bad etiquette.
> >> >  Not everyone needs or wants to receive it, which is why a link
> >is a
> >> >  preferred option if a small file cannot be used.
> >> > 
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >> Terry Duell
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >
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is deleting unrelevant material all that hard?  it is considerate.
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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Robert Bieber]

I think it's just an easier way to provide a universal-ish (to the 
extent that libgphoto will recognize your card) mechanism to import 
photos without having to deal with file management



On 05/07/2018 05:57 PM, junkyardspar...@yepmail.net wrote:


On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 17:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* junkyardspar...@yepmail.net  [05-07-18 19:13]:


On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 15:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* junkyardspar...@yepmail.net  [05-07-18 18:05]:

On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 14:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:


yes, afaik dt uses the systems disk access.  I believe dt uses gphoto2 to
access the camera and the camera contained card(s).

I'm just curious: is this still needed for file access on anything but very old 
cameras? I've always used Olympus cameras that supported USB storage from the 
early days, so I never developed the habit of using any special software for 
this... and haven't really kept track of how the situation has evolved over the 
years.

I understand that the library is still needed for things like tethering, etc.

google and read about gphoto2, http://www.gphoto.org/

Yeah, I'm familiar with the project, I was just hoping for insights, from the 
perspective of developing RAW development software, about how currently 
relevant it is 20 years later *for simple retrieval of files*. I find very 
little discussion about recent cameras not supporting USB storage, whereas 
exFAT currently *does* present some obstacles. In light of that, it seems 
possible that only using gphoto as a fallback when needed might make sense.

can you access the card storage on your camera using your perferred file
management software on your system w/o added software?

might answer your question.

As mentioned above, I've always been able to, with my Olympus cameras, going 
back to at least the turn of the century. :)

I understand that this hasn't been the the case for other brands in the past. I 
was hoping others on the list, who have long term experience with those, might 
have perspective on how much this has or hasn't changed over the years. If not, 
please ignore.




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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[Mark Heieis]

  
  
I agree. I find it
  frustrating to scroll  to the bottom to find a response.


On 2018-05-07 17:26, Michael wrote:

I never
  knew that "top posting" was a problem. Maybe I'm just used to it,
  but I prefer to have the reply at the top so I don't have to
  scroll thru all the messages in the chain to find the latest post.
  
  On May 8, 2018 12:13:36 AM UTC, Patrick
Shanahan  wrote:

  * August Schwerdfeger  [05-07-18 19:53]:
 When using Gmail apps (at least in the U.S.), it is very complicated *not*
 to "top post."
 

  


  


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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[junkyardsparkle]

On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 17:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * junkyardspar...@yepmail.net  [05-07-18 19:13]:
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 15:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > * junkyardspar...@yepmail.net  [05-07-18 
> > > 18:05]:
> > > > On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 14:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > yes, afaik dt uses the systems disk access.  I believe dt uses 
> > > > > gphoto2 to
> > > > > access the camera and the camera contained card(s).
> > > > 
> > > > I'm just curious: is this still needed for file access on anything but 
> > > > very old cameras? I've always used Olympus cameras that supported USB 
> > > > storage from the early days, so I never developed the habit of using 
> > > > any special software for this... and haven't really kept track of how 
> > > > the situation has evolved over the years.
> > > > 
> > > > I understand that the library is still needed for things like 
> > > > tethering, etc.
> > > 
> > > google and read about gphoto2, http://www.gphoto.org/
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm familiar with the project, I was just hoping for insights, from 
> > the perspective of developing RAW development software, about how currently 
> > relevant it is 20 years later *for simple retrieval of files*. I find very 
> > little discussion about recent cameras not supporting USB storage, whereas 
> > exFAT currently *does* present some obstacles. In light of that, it seems 
> > possible that only using gphoto as a fallback when needed might make sense.
> 
> can you access the card storage on your camera using your perferred file
> management software on your system w/o added software?
> 
> might answer your question.

As mentioned above, I've always been able to, with my Olympus cameras, going 
back to at least the turn of the century. :)

I understand that this hasn't been the the case for other brands in the past. I 
was hoping others on the list, who have long term experience with those, might 
have perspective on how much this has or hasn't changed over the years. If not, 
please ignore.

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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[Michael]

I never knew that "top posting" was a problem. Maybe I'm just used to it, but I 
prefer to have the reply at the top so I don't have to scroll thru all the 
messages in the chain to find the latest post.

On May 8, 2018 12:13:36 AM UTC, Patrick Shanahan  wrote:
>* August Schwerdfeger  [05-07-18 19:53]:
>> When using Gmail apps (at least in the U.S.), it is very complicated
>*not*
>> to "top post."
>> 
>> --
>> August Schwerdfeger
>> aug...@schwerdfeger.name
>> 
>> On Mon, May 7, 2018, 6:15 PM I. Ivanov  wrote:
>> 
>> > Is it an European practice not to top post?
>> >
>> > I deal with quite a bit of email and everyone (that I have worked
>with
>> > in North America) top posts when they reply to email.
>> >
>> > It is actually extremely rare when people reply "in line".
>> >
>> > So - is it indeed perceived as rude to top post or it is rather
>regional
>> > preference?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > B
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2018-05-07 12:28 AM, johannes hanika wrote:
>> > > hi all,
>> > >
>> > > (sorry i'm top posting because i'm lost with all the different
>levels
>> > > of indentation below)
>> > >
>> > > i reconfigured the lists to only accept a maximum of 1MB per
>email.
>> > > sorry for any inconvenience, but i think forcing this may be a
>good
>> > > starting point for most of us.
>> > >
>> > > fwiw, https://pixls.us may be the better place to post large
>images or
>> > > even raw files to start a play raw thread and get more detailed
>> > > feedback on image development questions.
>> > >
>> > > cheers,
>> > >   jo
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 2:12 AM, Terry Duell 
>wrote:
>> > >> One way to "deal with it" is to make all the other mailing list
>users
>> > aware
>> > >> of how inconsiderate and rude you are.
>> > >> I don't have any desire to have an ongoing argument about this,
>other
>> > than
>> > >> to try to make you aware, and understand, that posting large
>files to a
>> > >> mailing list is bad mailing list etiquette.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:55:53 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
>> > >>  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Well thats how it goes.  Useless to bitch about something
>totally
>> > >>> illusive.
>> > >>> Just deal with it.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ma 7. toukokuuta 2018 klo 1.50 Terry Duell
>
>> > >>> kirjoitti:
>> > >>>
>> >  On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:42:16 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
>> >   wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Well remove 'em if they are "too big".
>> > >
>> >  That doesn't prevent them arriving in my inbox.
>> >  Attaching large files to a mailing list is bad etiquette.
>> >  Not everyone needs or wants to receive it, which is why a link
>is a
>> >  preferred option if a small file cannot be used.
>> > 
>> > >> --
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Terry Duell
>> > >>
>> >
>
>> > >> darktable user mailing list
>> > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to
>> > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>
>> > > darktable user mailing list
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>
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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[Patrick Shanahan]

* August Schwerdfeger  [05-07-18 19:53]:
> When using Gmail apps (at least in the U.S.), it is very complicated *not*
> to "top post."
> 
> --
> August Schwerdfeger
> aug...@schwerdfeger.name
> 
> On Mon, May 7, 2018, 6:15 PM I. Ivanov  wrote:
> 
> > Is it an European practice not to top post?
> >
> > I deal with quite a bit of email and everyone (that I have worked with
> > in North America) top posts when they reply to email.
> >
> > It is actually extremely rare when people reply "in line".
> >
> > So - is it indeed perceived as rude to top post or it is rather regional
> > preference?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> > On 2018-05-07 12:28 AM, johannes hanika wrote:
> > > hi all,
> > >
> > > (sorry i'm top posting because i'm lost with all the different levels
> > > of indentation below)
> > >
> > > i reconfigured the lists to only accept a maximum of 1MB per email.
> > > sorry for any inconvenience, but i think forcing this may be a good
> > > starting point for most of us.
> > >
> > > fwiw, https://pixls.us may be the better place to post large images or
> > > even raw files to start a play raw thread and get more detailed
> > > feedback on image development questions.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >   jo
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 2:12 AM, Terry Duell  wrote:
> > >> One way to "deal with it" is to make all the other mailing list users
> > aware
> > >> of how inconsiderate and rude you are.
> > >> I don't have any desire to have an ongoing argument about this, other
> > than
> > >> to try to make you aware, and understand, that posting large files to a
> > >> mailing list is bad mailing list etiquette.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:55:53 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Well thats how it goes.  Useless to bitch about something totally
> > >>> illusive.
> > >>> Just deal with it.
> > >>>
> > >>> ma 7. toukokuuta 2018 klo 1.50 Terry Duell 
> > >>> kirjoitti:
> > >>>
> >  On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:42:16 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
> >   wrote:
> > 
> > > Well remove 'em if they are "too big".
> > >
> >  That doesn't prevent them arriving in my inbox.
> >  Attaching large files to a mailing list is bad etiquette.
> >  Not everyone needs or wants to receive it, which is why a link is a
> >  preferred option if a small file cannot be used.
> > 
> > >> --
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Terry Duell
> > >>
> > 
> > >> darktable user mailing list
> > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > >>
> > >
> > 
> > > darktable user mailing list
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> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Patrick Shanahan]

* junkyardspar...@yepmail.net  [05-07-18 19:13]:
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 15:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * junkyardspar...@yepmail.net  [05-07-18 
> > 18:05]:
> > > On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 14:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > 
> > > > yes, afaik dt uses the systems disk access.  I believe dt uses gphoto2 
> > > > to
> > > > access the camera and the camera contained card(s).
> > > 
> > > I'm just curious: is this still needed for file access on anything but 
> > > very old cameras? I've always used Olympus cameras that supported USB 
> > > storage from the early days, so I never developed the habit of using any 
> > > special software for this... and haven't really kept track of how the 
> > > situation has evolved over the years.
> > > 
> > > I understand that the library is still needed for things like tethering, 
> > > etc.
> > 
> > google and read about gphoto2, http://www.gphoto.org/
> 
> Yeah, I'm familiar with the project, I was just hoping for insights, from the 
> perspective of developing RAW development software, about how currently 
> relevant it is 20 years later *for simple retrieval of files*. I find very 
> little discussion about recent cameras not supporting USB storage, whereas 
> exFAT currently *does* present some obstacles. In light of that, it seems 
> possible that only using gphoto as a fallback when needed might make sense.

can you access the card storage on your camera using your perferred file
management software on your system w/o added software?

might answer your question.
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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[August Schwerdfeger]

When using Gmail apps (at least in the U.S.), it is very complicated *not*
to "top post."

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aug...@schwerdfeger.name

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 6:15 PM I. Ivanov  wrote:

> Is it an European practice not to top post?
>
> I deal with quite a bit of email and everyone (that I have worked with
> in North America) top posts when they reply to email.
>
> It is actually extremely rare when people reply "in line".
>
> So - is it indeed perceived as rude to top post or it is rather regional
> preference?
>
> Regards,
>
> B
>
>
> On 2018-05-07 12:28 AM, johannes hanika wrote:
> > hi all,
> >
> > (sorry i'm top posting because i'm lost with all the different levels
> > of indentation below)
> >
> > i reconfigured the lists to only accept a maximum of 1MB per email.
> > sorry for any inconvenience, but i think forcing this may be a good
> > starting point for most of us.
> >
> > fwiw, https://pixls.us may be the better place to post large images or
> > even raw files to start a play raw thread and get more detailed
> > feedback on image development questions.
> >
> > cheers,
> >   jo
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 2:12 AM, Terry Duell  wrote:
> >> One way to "deal with it" is to make all the other mailing list users
> aware
> >> of how inconsiderate and rude you are.
> >> I don't have any desire to have an ongoing argument about this, other
> than
> >> to try to make you aware, and understand, that posting large files to a
> >> mailing list is bad mailing list etiquette.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:55:53 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well thats how it goes.  Useless to bitch about something totally
> >>> illusive.
> >>> Just deal with it.
> >>>
> >>> ma 7. toukokuuta 2018 klo 1.50 Terry Duell 
> >>> kirjoitti:
> >>>
>  On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:42:16 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
>   wrote:
> 
> > Well remove 'em if they are "too big".
> >
>  That doesn't prevent them arriving in my inbox.
>  Attaching large files to a mailing list is bad etiquette.
>  Not everyone needs or wants to receive it, which is why a link is a
>  preferred option if a small file cannot be used.
> 
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Terry Duell
> >>
> 
> >> darktable user mailing list
> >> to unsubscribe send a mail to
> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> >>
> >
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[I. Ivanov]

Is it an European practice not to top post?

I deal with quite a bit of email and everyone (that I have worked with 
in North America) top posts when they reply to email.


It is actually extremely rare when people reply "in line".

So - is it indeed perceived as rude to top post or it is rather regional 
preference?


Regards,

B


On 2018-05-07 12:28 AM, johannes hanika wrote:

hi all,

(sorry i'm top posting because i'm lost with all the different levels
of indentation below)

i reconfigured the lists to only accept a maximum of 1MB per email.
sorry for any inconvenience, but i think forcing this may be a good
starting point for most of us.

fwiw, https://pixls.us may be the better place to post large images or
even raw files to start a play raw thread and get more detailed
feedback on image development questions.

cheers,
  jo


On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 2:12 AM, Terry Duell  wrote:

One way to "deal with it" is to make all the other mailing list users aware
of how inconsiderate and rude you are.
I don't have any desire to have an ongoing argument about this, other than
to try to make you aware, and understand, that posting large files to a
mailing list is bad mailing list etiquette.

On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:55:53 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
 wrote:


Well thats how it goes.  Useless to bitch about something totally
illusive.
Just deal with it.

ma 7. toukokuuta 2018 klo 1.50 Terry Duell 
kirjoitti:


On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:42:16 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
 wrote:


Well remove 'em if they are "too big".


That doesn't prevent them arriving in my inbox.
Attaching large files to a mailing list is bad etiquette.
Not everyone needs or wants to receive it, which is why a link is a
preferred option if a small file cannot be used.


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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[junkyardsparkle]

On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 15:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * junkyardspar...@yepmail.net  [05-07-18 18:05]:
> > On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 14:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > 
> > > yes, afaik dt uses the systems disk access.  I believe dt uses gphoto2 to
> > > access the camera and the camera contained card(s).
> > 
> > I'm just curious: is this still needed for file access on anything but very 
> > old cameras? I've always used Olympus cameras that supported USB storage 
> > from the early days, so I never developed the habit of using any special 
> > software for this... and haven't really kept track of how the situation has 
> > evolved over the years.
> > 
> > I understand that the library is still needed for things like tethering, 
> > etc.
> 
> google and read about gphoto2, http://www.gphoto.org/

Yeah, I'm familiar with the project, I was just hoping for insights, from the 
perspective of developing RAW development software, about how currently 
relevant it is 20 years later *for simple retrieval of files*. I find very 
little discussion about recent cameras not supporting USB storage, whereas 
exFAT currently *does* present some obstacles. In light of that, it seems 
possible that only using gphoto as a fallback when needed might make sense.

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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Patrick Shanahan]

* junkyardspar...@yepmail.net  [05-07-18 18:05]:
> On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 14:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> 
> > yes, afaik dt uses the systems disk access.  I believe dt uses gphoto2 to
> > access the camera and the camera contained card(s).
> 
> I'm just curious: is this still needed for file access on anything but very 
> old cameras? I've always used Olympus cameras that supported USB storage from 
> the early days, so I never developed the habit of using any special software 
> for this... and haven't really kept track of how the situation has evolved 
> over the years.
> 
> I understand that the library is still needed for things like tethering, etc.

google and read about gphoto2, http://www.gphoto.org/

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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[junkyardsparkle]

On Mon, May 7, 2018, at 14:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> yes, afaik dt uses the systems disk access.  I believe dt uses gphoto2 to
> access the camera and the camera contained card(s).

I'm just curious: is this still needed for file access on anything but very old 
cameras? I've always used Olympus cameras that supported USB storage from the 
early days, so I never developed the habit of using any special software for 
this... and haven't really kept track of how the situation has evolved over the 
years.

I understand that the library is still needed for things like tethering, etc.

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Re: [darktable-user] 2.4.3 is unusable on my Ubuntu. It hangs/freezes

[Martin]

Thank you for the debug instructions, they may come handy again. I did not find 
them in the FAQ.

Before using them I already did the following:
- Renamed my database file and started darktable
- Exited
- Renamed the original db back into it's place
- Started again

A window popped up about maybe a dozen xml files needing reload/rewrite. After 
that darktable functioned as usual
again. No more hanging. So I assume it was an issue with my database. I have 
been deleting photos outside of darktable
and running the purge_non_existing_images.sh, but did not have issues with that 
before.

Anyway, thank you for this amazing software!

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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

> Message du 07/05/18 21:34
> De : "Patrick Shanahan" 

> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected
> 
> * Abhijit Kshirsagar  [05-07-18 15:18]:
> > >
> > > There, I am a bit lost : if you can see the contents of your card from
> > > within the file selector, why would not it be possible from DT or any 
> > > other
> > > program ?
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > [Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK]
> > In DT, import from folder keeps the files in place, whereas import from
> > device actually copies the files from the card to the hard drive, and
> > renames them etc.
> 
> you do not want to keep the images on your card, do you?
> 
> "import" in dt merely stores the image properties and location into the
> ~/.config/darktable/library.db
>

Yes, of course, but as DT uses the same filemanager as the system, why could it 
not see things the system does ?


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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Abhijit Kshirsagar  [05-07-18 15:18]:
> >
> > There, I am a bit lost : if you can see the contents of your card from
> > within the file selector, why would not it be possible from DT or any other
> > program ?
> >
> >
> 
> [Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK]
> In DT, import from folder keeps the files in place, whereas import from
> device actually copies the files from the card to the hard drive, and
> renames them etc.

you do not want to keep the images on your card, do you?

"import" in dt merely stores the image properties and location into the
~/.config/darktable/library.db

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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Abhijit Kshirsagar]

>
> There, I am a bit lost : if you can see the contents of your card from
> within the file selector, why would not it be possible from DT or any other
> program ?
>
>

[Perhaps I have misunderstood, but AFAIK]
In DT, import from folder keeps the files in place, whereas import from
device actually copies the files from the card to the hard drive, and
renames them etc.

-Abhijit


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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

> Message du 07/05/18 17:11
> De : "Abhijit Kshirsagar" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected
> 
>


> My workflow (which worked on the previous cards) was as follows. Comments 
> welcome.
>
Hello,
>
1. Use Shotwell to import all media from the card onto my hard drive.
> [.../...]

> It also imports videos which is good.
Rapid Photo Dowloader does all this too : 
https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t=j==s=web=3=rja=8=0ahUKEwi69Of8jfTaAhWLalAKHSbeC9oQFgg8MAI=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.damonlynch.net%2Frapid%2Fdownload.html=AOvVaw38YZQ1R-Q882Rg1khWTSMD
It can save your photos / videos on a second device at the same time it loads 
them from your card.
> 2. After I import RAW files using Shotwell, I just open darktable to process 
> and generate the JPGs.
Sensible.
> Since shotwell was unable to import from the new card, I tried to use DT for 
> import (after watching some youtube tutotials) and realised DT doesn't see 
> the card either.
There, I am a bit lost : if you can see the contents of your card from within 
the file selector, why would not it be possible from DT or any other program ?
 
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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Abhijit Kshirsagar  [05-07-18 11:14]:
> My workflow (which worked on the previous cards) was as follows. Comments
> welcome.
> 
> 1. Use Shotwell to import all media from the card onto my hard drive.
> I've configured Shotwell to do the renaming, file/folder hierarchy etc.
> I use multiple cameras, including my phone.
> Shotwell creates JPGs for RAWs on import, which is nice to just glance
> through to get some idea of what I've got.
> It also imports videos which is good.
> 
> 2. After I import RAW files using Shotwell, I just open darktable to
> process and generate the JPGs.
> 
> Since shotwell was unable to import from the new card, I tried to use DT
> for import (after watching some youtube tutotials) and realised DT doesn't
> see the card either.

if you have a filemanager that can see your card, copy the files to a
local drive and set Shotwell to address that drive instead of your card. 
w/o shotwell being able to see your card (and dt) which I cannot
understand, that will be the closest to your present workflow, unless you
want to write a script to do what shotwell does.

if you do not have a filemanager that can see your card, you will have to
determine why and address that problem.  

I would bet the problem with shotwell is your version of libgphoto2, I
have libgphoto2-6-2.5.17

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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

To import my images, I use "Rapid Photo Downloader":
https://www.damonlynch.net/rapid/
It imports the pictures, creates a backup if needed. Can rename files /
folders.

2018-05-07 17:10 GMT+02:00 Abhijit Kshirsagar :

> My workflow (which worked on the previous cards) was as follows. Comments
> welcome.
>
> 1. Use Shotwell to import all media from the card onto my hard drive.
> I've configured Shotwell to do the renaming, file/folder hierarchy etc.
> I use multiple cameras, including my phone.
> Shotwell creates JPGs for RAWs on import, which is nice to just glance
> through to get some idea of what I've got.
> It also imports videos which is good.
>
> 2. After I import RAW files using Shotwell, I just open darktable to
> process and generate the JPGs.
>
> Since shotwell was unable to import from the new card, I tried to use DT
> for import (after watching some youtube tutotials) and realised DT doesn't
> see the card either.
>
> Abhijit
>
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[August Schwerdfeger]

Shotwell imports with the 'gphoto2' library, just like Darktable, so this
issue would affect them both equally.

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On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Abhijit Kshirsagar 
wrote:

> My workflow (which worked on the previous cards) was as follows. Comments
> welcome.
>
> 1. Use Shotwell to import all media from the card onto my hard drive.
> I've configured Shotwell to do the renaming, file/folder hierarchy etc.
> I use multiple cameras, including my phone.
> Shotwell creates JPGs for RAWs on import, which is nice to just glance
> through to get some idea of what I've got.
> It also imports videos which is good.
>
> 2. After I import RAW files using Shotwell, I just open darktable to
> process and generate the JPGs.
>
> Since shotwell was unable to import from the new card, I tried to use DT
> for import (after watching some youtube tutotials) and realised DT doesn't
> see the card either.
>
> Abhijit
>
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] SDXC Card not detected

[Abhijit Kshirsagar]

My workflow (which worked on the previous cards) was as follows. Comments
welcome.

1. Use Shotwell to import all media from the card onto my hard drive.
I've configured Shotwell to do the renaming, file/folder hierarchy etc.
I use multiple cameras, including my phone.
Shotwell creates JPGs for RAWs on import, which is nice to just glance
through to get some idea of what I've got.
It also imports videos which is good.

2. After I import RAW files using Shotwell, I just open darktable to
process and generate the JPGs.

Since shotwell was unable to import from the new card, I tried to use DT
for import (after watching some youtube tutotials) and realised DT doesn't
see the card either.

Abhijit


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Re: [darktable-user] Posting large files to mailing lists

[johannes hanika]

hi all,

(sorry i'm top posting because i'm lost with all the different levels
of indentation below)

i reconfigured the lists to only accept a maximum of 1MB per email.
sorry for any inconvenience, but i think forcing this may be a good
starting point for most of us.

fwiw, https://pixls.us may be the better place to post large images or
even raw files to start a play raw thread and get more detailed
feedback on image development questions.

cheers,
 jo


On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 2:12 AM, Terry Duell  wrote:
> One way to "deal with it" is to make all the other mailing list users aware
> of how inconsiderate and rude you are.
> I don't have any desire to have an ongoing argument about this, other than
> to try to make you aware, and understand, that posting large files to a
> mailing list is bad mailing list etiquette.
>
> On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:55:53 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
>  wrote:
>
>> Well thats how it goes.  Useless to bitch about something totally
>> illusive.
>> Just deal with it.
>>
>> ma 7. toukokuuta 2018 klo 1.50 Terry Duell 
>> kirjoitti:
>>
>>> On Mon, 07 May 2018 08:42:16 +1000, Henri Turpeenoja
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Well remove 'em if they are "too big".
>>> >
>>>
>>> That doesn't prevent them arriving in my inbox.
>>> Attaching large files to a mailing list is bad etiquette.
>>> Not everyone needs or wants to receive it, which is why a link is a
>>> preferred option if a small file cannot be used.
>>>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Terry Duell
> 
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