Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
Hi Hieke, firstly I apologise that I am using a gmail server and I believe this places my post at the top and offends some people. Secondly I have removed my signature which I now try to do on all occasions, but sometimes it slips through when I am rushed. I am just wondering if you have got the basic masking technique working now or are still struggling? I tried to give a simple example of how I use exposure masks a lot for dodging and burning areas. The drawn mask and within the drawn mask options the paths tool is one of my favourites. The feather and blurring of the drawn mask at the end facilitates a beautiful transition that is invisible. I am unsure if your difficulties with masking in your original post represented a technical problem with the function of masks on your specific computer or if you are still developing your skills and knowledge at working with DT and masks. I hope this post has caused no offence to anyone as I am just trying to help out a fellow DT user. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
* Remco Viëtor [02-09-22 02:45]: > On lundi 7 février 2022 20:01:16 CET Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > * Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-07-22 13:13]: > > > ? I don't see new text __ > > > > > > Op 07-02-2022 18:51 heeft Patrick Shanahan > geschreven: > > > * Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-07-22 12:47]: > > > > Tnx but like I explained: Safari has huge problems. I can’t visit > > > > tutorials now. I can send and receive emails and use Whatsapp, > > > > luckily, but my browser refuses often. Like now. > > > > > > > > Hartelijke groet, > > > > > > > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > > > Van: Ludger Bolmerg > > > > Datum: maandag 7 februari 2022 om 18:35 > > > > Aan: > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > > > > > > > > Here you can find some excellent videos on masking in DT > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxHYygok15XQ6bqu9FK-oCw/videos > > > > > > > > On 2/7/22 18:19, Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it > > > > working. I searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my > > > > problem. Also: my new M1 Macbook is malfunctioning and often stops > > > > internet all of a sudden without restarting properly. So my online > > > > resources are really small. Watching on my phone is an option, but > > > > the content doesn't cover my question, like I said. > > > > > > > > So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up > > > > quite a bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a > > > > mask to bring that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the > > > > exposure, it's being applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did > > > > create a new instance in the expose module before I started to > > > > create the mask.) > > > > > > > > I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and > > > > telling that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to > > > > chose 'mask'. But when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger > > > > list without the option 'mask'. > > > > > > > > What can I do to make this work? > > > maybe you should actually read postings. > And ccould you please remove excessive signatures? yes, my appologies. I am somewhat recalcitrant when receiving posts with many levels of quoting of irrelivant material and unneeded text that rather than edit the OP's ignorance and discourteous postings. I just drop to the bottom and answer. the sig's were left previously and I do sometimes remove the *last* sig. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
On lundi 7 février 2022 20:01:16 CET Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-07-22 13:13]: > > ? I don't see new text __ > > > > Op 07-02-2022 18:51 heeft Patrick Shanahan geschreven: > > * Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-07-22 12:47]: > > > Tnx but like I explained: Safari has huge problems. I can’t visit > > > tutorials now. I can send and receive emails and use Whatsapp, > > > luckily, but my browser refuses often. Like now. > > > > > > Hartelijke groet, > > > > > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > Van: Ludger Bolmerg > > > Datum: maandag 7 februari 2022 om 18:35 > > > Aan: > > > Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > > > > > > Here you can find some excellent videos on masking in DT > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxHYygok15XQ6bqu9FK-oCw/videos > > > > > > On 2/7/22 18:19, Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it > > > working. I searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my > > > problem. Also: my new M1 Macbook is malfunctioning and often stops > > > internet all of a sudden without restarting properly. So my online > > > resources are really small. Watching on my phone is an option, but > > > the content doesn't cover my question, like I said. > > > > > > So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up > > > quite a bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a > > > mask to bring that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the > > > exposure, it's being applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did > > > create a new instance in the expose module before I started to > > > create the mask.) > > > > > > I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and > > > telling that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to > > > chose 'mask'. But when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger > > > list without the option 'mask'. > > > > > > What can I do to make this work? > maybe you should actually read postings. And ccould you please remove excessive signatures? darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
On mardi 8 février 2022 21:41:07 CET Terry Pinfold wrote: (removed about *2000* lines... RV) > --Hi Hieke, >I am posting my reply again from my gmail server rather than my > University server. I apologise that I can not control if my post appears at > the top or bottom of the list. The server does whatever the server wants to > do. I have also tried to attach a screenshot for clarity. That's... not true in my experience: the editor may put the cursor at the bottom or the top of the quoted text, but they all allow you to move that cursor. But in either case, that's no reason to leave *over a 1000 lines* of irrelevant material, including signatures. Not all Terry's fault in this case... > With respect I say that you seem confused about working with masks. I hope > the following explanation may help you. Masks for me are the whole reason I > love using DT compared to alternative programs. > > I often want to brighten or darken a section of an image, similar to how I > would have dodged or burned in a traditional film darkroom. To achieve this > with a digital image I make a new instance of exposure and adjust the > exposure slider (sometimes I deliberately overdo the adjustment and will > return to it later). This adjustment moves the whole of the image's > exposure, but then I use the drawn mask option which looks like a crayon. I > then often use the add path option to very roughly select the area I want > to apply the effect to. The transition will be harsh and obvious. To fix > this problem I then move the feather radius and blurring radius sliders > about a third of the way to the right (amount may vary between images). > This feathering and blurring then creates an invisible transition. I return > to the exposure slider and fine turn the strength of the effect. But that's after you have a basic mask selecting the area you want to modify. Problem here seems to be in that first step... > Forget the blend mode options until you have mastered basic masking > techniques. I don't agree. You select a blend mode only *after* you have a mask that affects the area you want. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 04:23, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-08-22 12:02]: > > Spam detection software, running on the system "wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org", > > has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original > > message has been attached to this so you can view it or label > > similar future email. If you have any questions, see > > postmaster for details. > > > > Content preview: Sorry, I can't read your mail. It's being marked as > spam and > >all content is being removed. Does anyone see the original mail and > is willing > >to share it with me? Hartelijke groet, Hieke van Hoogdalem Op > 08-02-2022 > >17:35 heeft Patrick Shanahan geschreven: [...] > > > > Content analysis details: (2.9 points, 2.8 required) > > > > pts rule name description > > -- > -- > > -3.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% > > [score: 0.] > > 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail > provider > > (hieke.vanhoogdalem[at]gmail.com) > > 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 > chars > > 3.2 MALFORMED_FREEMAIL Bad headers on message from free email > service > > 1.2 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with > no rDNS > > 1.5 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL_NO_RDNS From SPOOFED_FREEMAIL and no rDNS > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 18:00:25 +0100 > > From: Hieke van Hoogdalem > > To: Patrick Shanahan , darktable forum > > > > Subject: Re: SPAM(2.9) Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > > X-Original-To: paka > > X-Spam-Level: > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, > > DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE > > autolearn=disabled version=3.4.5 > > User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.57.22011101 > > > > Sorry, I can't read your mail. It's being marked as spam and all content > is being removed. Does anyone see the original mail and is willing to share > it with me? > > > > > > Hartelijke groet, > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > Op 08-02-2022 17:35 heeft Patrick Shanahan > geschreven: > > > > * Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-08-22 > 11:28]: > > > Spam detection software, running on the system " > wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org", > > > has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original > > > message has been attached to this so you can view it or label > > > similar future email. If you have any questions, see > > > postmaster for details. > > > > > > Content preview: I managed to have the gradient mask do what I > want – I had > > >to invert it. I finally managed to get what I needed. > Hartelijke groet, Hieke > > >van Hoogdalem [...] > > > > > > Content analysis details: (2.9 points, 2.8 required) > > > > > > pts rule name description > > > -- > -- > > > -3.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% > > > [score: 0.] > > > 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused > enduser mail provider > > > (hieke.vanhoogdalem[at]gmail.com) > > > 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message > > > 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than > 76 chars > > > 3.2 MALFORMED_FREEMAIL Bad headers on message from free email > service > > > -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a > widely-seen list > > > manager > > > 1.2 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a > host with no rDNS > > > 1.5 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL_NO_RDNS From SPOOFED_FREEMAIL and no rDNS > > > > > > The original message was not completely plain text, and may be > unsafe to > > > open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a > virus, > > > or confirm that your address can receive spam. If you wish to view > > > it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an > editor. > > > > > > > >
Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
* Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-08-22 12:02]: > Spam detection software, running on the system "wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org", > has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original > message has been attached to this so you can view it or label > similar future email. If you have any questions, see > postmaster for details. > > Content preview: Sorry, I can't read your mail. It's being marked as spam and >all content is being removed. Does anyone see the original mail and is > willing >to share it with me? Hartelijke groet, Hieke van Hoogdalem Op 08-02-2022 >17:35 heeft Patrick Shanahan geschreven: [...] > > Content analysis details: (2.9 points, 2.8 required) > > pts rule name description > -- -- > -3.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% > [score: 0.] > 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail > provider > (hieke.vanhoogdalem[at]gmail.com) > 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars > 3.2 MALFORMED_FREEMAIL Bad headers on message from free email service > 1.2 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no > rDNS > 1.5 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL_NO_RDNS From SPOOFED_FREEMAIL and no rDNS > > > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 18:00:25 +0100 > From: Hieke van Hoogdalem > To: Patrick Shanahan , darktable forum > > Subject: Re: SPAM(2.9) Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > X-Original-To: paka > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, > DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE > autolearn=disabled version=3.4.5 > User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.57.22011101 > > Sorry, I can't read your mail. It's being marked as spam and all content is > being removed. Does anyone see the original mail and is willing to share it > with me? > > > Hartelijke groet, > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > Op 08-02-2022 17:35 heeft Patrick Shanahan geschreven: > > * Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-08-22 11:28]: > > Spam detection software, running on the system "wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org", > > has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original > > message has been attached to this so you can view it or label > > similar future email. If you have any questions, see > > postmaster for details. > > > > Content preview: I managed to have the gradient mask do what I want > – I had > >to invert it. I finally managed to get what I needed. Hartelijke > groet, Hieke > >van Hoogdalem [...] > > > > Content analysis details: (2.9 points, 2.8 required) > > > > pts rule name description > > -- > -- > > -3.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% > > [score: 0.] > > 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser > mail provider > > (hieke.vanhoogdalem[at]gmail.com) > > 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message > > 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 > chars > > 3.2 MALFORMED_FREEMAIL Bad headers on message from free email > service > > -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list > > manager > > 1.2 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host > with no rDNS > > 1.5 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL_NO_RDNS From SPOOFED_FREEMAIL and no rDNS > > > > The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to > > open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus, > > or confirm that your address can receive spam. If you wish to view > > it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor. > > > > > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:24:42 +0100 > > From: Hieke van Hoogdalem > > To: Terry Pinfold , Remco Viëtor > > > > CC: darktable forum > > Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > > Mailing-List: contact darktable-user+h...@lists.darktable.org; run by > mlmmj > > X-Original-To: paka > > X-Spam-Level: > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUST
Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
Sorry, I can't read your mail. It's being marked as spam and all content is
being removed. Does anyone see the original mail and is willing to share it
with me?
Hartelijke groet,
Hieke van Hoogdalem
Op 08-02-2022 17:35 heeft Patrick Shanahan geschreven:
* Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-08-22 11:28]:
> Spam detection software, running on the system "wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org",
> has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original
> message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
> similar future email. If you have any questions, see
> postmaster for details.
>
> Content preview: I managed to have the gradient mask do what I want –
I had
>to invert it. I finally managed to get what I needed. Hartelijke
groet, Hieke
>van Hoogdalem [...]
>
> Content analysis details: (2.9 points, 2.8 required)
>
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> --
--
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> [score: 0.]
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provider
> (hieke.vanhoogdalem[at]gmail.com)
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> manager
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>
> The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to
> open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus,
> or confirm that your address can receive spam. If you wish to view
> it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.
>
> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:24:42 +0100
> From: Hieke van Hoogdalem
> To: Terry Pinfold , Remco Viëtor
>
> CC: darktable forum
> Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
> Mailing-List: contact darktable-user+h...@lists.darktable.org; run by
mlmmj
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>
> I managed to have the gradient mask do what I want – I had to invert it.
I finally managed to get what I needed.
>
>
>
>
>
> Hartelijke groet,
>
> Hieke van Hoogdalem
>
>
>
>
>
> Van: Hieke van Hoogdalem
> Datum: dinsdag 8 februari 2022 om 13:08
> Aan: Terry Pinfold , Remco Viëtor
> CC: darktable forum
> Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
>
>
>
> Tnx. I also did that (new instance, adjust exposure slider) but like I
said: it effected the whole image.
>
>
>
> 'First master the basics'… well… if the lines are too harsh, getting rid
of those is part of the basics as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise it doesn't
look like the masks aren't being mastered at all.
>
>
>
> So yes, I get those basics, but like I said before: I don't get this to
be applied to my mask. That's why I asked about the blend mode before. I tried
the feather and blur and so on, but it doesn't work, because it starts wrong
with everything being applied to the complete image.
>
>
>
> Hartelijke groet,
>
> Hieke van Hoogdalem
>
>
>
>
>
> Van: Terry Pinfold
> Datum: dinsdag 8 februari 2022 om 06:51
> Aan: Hieke van Hoogdalem , Remco Viëtor
> CC: darktable forum
> Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
>
>
>
> Hi Hieke,
>
>with respect I say that you seem confused about working with
masks. I hope the following explanation may help you.
>
>
>
> I often want to brighten or darken a section of an image, similar to how
I would have dodged or burned in a traditional film darkroom. To achieve this
wit
Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
* Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-08-22 11:28]: > Spam detection software, running on the system "wahoo.wahoo.no-ip.org", > has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original > message has been attached to this so you can view it or label > similar future email. If you have any questions, see > postmaster for details. > > Content preview: I managed to have the gradient mask do what I want – I had >to invert it. I finally managed to get what I needed. Hartelijke groet, > Hieke >van Hoogdalem [...] > > Content analysis details: (2.9 points, 2.8 required) > > pts rule name description > -- -- > -3.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% > [score: 0.] > 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail > provider > (hieke.vanhoogdalem[at]gmail.com) > 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message > 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars > 3.2 MALFORMED_FREEMAIL Bad headers on message from free email service > -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list > manager > 1.2 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no > rDNS > 1.5 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL_NO_RDNS From SPOOFED_FREEMAIL and no rDNS > > The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to > open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus, > or confirm that your address can receive spam. If you wish to view > it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor. > > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:24:42 +0100 > From: Hieke van Hoogdalem > To: Terry Pinfold , Remco Viëtor > > CC: darktable forum > Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > Mailing-List: contact darktable-user+h...@lists.darktable.org; run by mlmmj > X-Original-To: paka > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, > DMARC_NONE,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, > MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE > autolearn=disabled version=3.4.5 > X-Original-To: lists.darktable.org--darktable-user@localhost.mlmmj > User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.57.22011101 > > I managed to have the gradient mask do what I want – I had to invert it. I > finally managed to get what I needed. > > > > > > Hartelijke groet, > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > Van: Hieke van Hoogdalem > Datum: dinsdag 8 februari 2022 om 13:08 > Aan: Terry Pinfold , Remco Viëtor > > CC: darktable forum > Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > > > > Tnx. I also did that (new instance, adjust exposure slider) but like I said: > it effected the whole image. > > > > 'First master the basics'… well… if the lines are too harsh, getting rid of > those is part of the basics as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise it doesn't > look like the masks aren't being mastered at all. > > > > So yes, I get those basics, but like I said before: I don't get this to be > applied to my mask. That's why I asked about the blend mode before. I tried > the feather and blur and so on, but it doesn't work, because it starts wrong > with everything being applied to the complete image. > > > > Hartelijke groet, > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > Van: Terry Pinfold > Datum: dinsdag 8 februari 2022 om 06:51 > Aan: Hieke van Hoogdalem , Remco Viëtor > > CC: darktable forum > Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > > > > Hi Hieke, > >with respect I say that you seem confused about working with masks. I > hope the following explanation may help you. > > > > I often want to brighten or darken a section of an image, similar to how I > would have dodged or burned in a traditional film darkroom. To achieve this > with a digital image I make a new instance of exposure and adjust the > exposure slider (sometimes I deliberately overdo the adjustment and will > return to it later). This adjustment moves the whole of the image's exposure, > but then I use the drawn mask option which looks like a crayon. I then often > use the add path option to very roughly select the area I want to apply the > effect to. The transition will be harsh and obvious. To fix this problem I > then move the feather radius and blurring radius sliders about a third of the > way to the right (amount may vary between im
Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
Tnx. I also did that (new instance, adjust exposure slider) but like I said: it
effected the whole image.
'First master the basics'… well… if the lines are too harsh, getting rid of
those is part of the basics as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise it doesn't look
like the masks aren't being mastered at all.
So yes, I get those basics, but like I said before: I don't get this to be
applied to my mask. That's why I asked about the blend mode before. I tried the
feather and blur and so on, but it doesn't work, because it starts wrong with
everything being applied to the complete image.
Hartelijke groet,
Hieke van Hoogdalem
Van: Terry Pinfold
Datum: dinsdag 8 februari 2022 om 06:51
Aan: Hieke van Hoogdalem , Remco Viëtor
CC: darktable forum
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
Hi Hieke,
with respect I say that you seem confused about working with masks. I
hope the following explanation may help you.
I often want to brighten or darken a section of an image, similar to how I
would have dodged or burned in a traditional film darkroom. To achieve this
with a digital image I make a new instance of exposure and adjust the exposure
slider (sometimes I deliberately overdo the adjustment and will return to it
later). This adjustment moves the whole of the image's exposure, but then I use
the drawn mask option which looks like a crayon. I then often use the add path
option to very roughly select the area I want to apply the effect to. The
transition will be harsh and obvious. To fix this problem I then move the
feather radius and blurring radius sliders about a third of the way to the
right (amount may vary between images). This feathering and blurring then
creates an invisible transition. I return to the exposure slider and fine turn
the strength of the effect.
Forget the blend mode options until you have mastered basic masking techniques.
From: Hieke van Hoogdalem
Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2022 7:40 AM
To: Remco Viëtor
Cc: darktable forum
Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
The last image that needs a bit of tweaking is this one, because of the 2 very
white stripes in the left bottom. I wanted to make that part a little less
bright but I couldn't figure out how. The tone equalizer didn't help and the
filmic module is too hard to understand for me. I copied and pasted both the
image and the history so you get the context as well, for instance the
inversion. (See attached file.)
Kind regards,
Hieke van Hoogdalem
Op 07-02-2022 19:09 heeft Hieke van Hoogdalem
geschreven:
Hi Remco,
Tnx. Yes I always check the dates of tutorials. This one was 2 years old so
I already expected some UI items to be different. I mainly followed this one
because he explains how to apply a mask including the use of the mouse. Where
to click etc. with free forms... I didn't manage to get that right before.
Thanks for the tips, I do work with scene referred RGB indeed. "Keep in
mind that in your case, masking and reducing exposition can lead to strange
tone transitions at the edges. That's why I suggested tone equaliser or filmic
adjustments instead of masking." Towing (?) the exposure down gave weird
results indeed. The tone equalizer was - almost - exactly what I needed. You
saved this image! Merci mille fois! Je t'embrasse tès fort et je te donne un
grand bisoux __
There are other images too though wich need a mask, but for several
different reasons. So I'm still looking for learning to work with masks. I have
until the end of this week - up until and including Thursday actually - for
making these changes and entering my pix for a contest.
And yes, I see the yellow part. What about it? __
Cordialement,
Hieke van Hoogdalem
Op 07-02-2022 18:38 heeft Remco Viëtor
geschreven:
On lundi 7 février 2022 18:19:57 CET Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it
working. I
> searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem.
>(...)
> So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up
quite a
> bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to
bring
> that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being
> applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in
the
> expose module before I started to create the mask.)
If you are using the scene-referred workflow, you could use the tone
equaliser
for this (or perhaps adjust filmic).
As for the mask, did you visualise it ("circle in square" icon next to
"mask
refinement) and did it show the area you wanted to mask (yellow) ?
> I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and
telling
Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
Hi Hieke,
with respect I say that you seem confused about working with masks. I
hope the following explanation may help you.
I often want to brighten or darken a section of an image, similar to how I
would have dodged or burned in a traditional film darkroom. To achieve this
with a digital image I make a new instance of exposure and adjust the exposure
slider (sometimes I deliberately overdo the adjustment and will return to it
later). This adjustment moves the whole of the image's exposure, but then I use
the drawn mask option which looks like a crayon. I then often use the add path
option to very roughly select the area I want to apply the effect to. The
transition will be harsh and obvious. To fix this problem I then move the
feather radius and blurring radius sliders about a third of the way to the
right (amount may vary between images). This feathering and blurring then
creates an invisible transition. I return to the exposure slider and fine turn
the strength of the effect.
Forget the blend mode options until you have mastered basic masking techniques.
[cid:f5910187-d683-45d5-942b-c9e2f0c0b102]
From: Hieke van Hoogdalem
Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2022 7:40 AM
To: Remco Viëtor
Cc: darktable forum
Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
The last image that needs a bit of tweaking is this one, because of the 2 very
white stripes in the left bottom. I wanted to make that part a little less
bright but I couldn't figure out how. The tone equalizer didn't help and the
filmic module is too hard to understand for me. I copied and pasted both the
image and the history so you get the context as well, for instance the
inversion. (See attached file.)
Kind regards,
Hieke van Hoogdalem
Op 07-02-2022 19:09 heeft Hieke van Hoogdalem
geschreven:
Hi Remco,
Tnx. Yes I always check the dates of tutorials. This one was 2 years old so
I already expected some UI items to be different. I mainly followed this one
because he explains how to apply a mask including the use of the mouse. Where
to click etc. with free forms... I didn't manage to get that right before.
Thanks for the tips, I do work with scene referred RGB indeed. "Keep in
mind that in your case, masking and reducing exposition can lead to strange
tone transitions at the edges. That's why I suggested tone equaliser or filmic
adjustments instead of masking." Towing (?) the exposure down gave weird
results indeed. The tone equalizer was - almost - exactly what I needed. You
saved this image! Merci mille fois! Je t'embrasse tès fort et je te donne un
grand bisoux __
There are other images too though wich need a mask, but for several
different reasons. So I'm still looking for learning to work with masks. I have
until the end of this week - up until and including Thursday actually - for
making these changes and entering my pix for a contest.
And yes, I see the yellow part. What about it? __
Cordialement,
Hieke van Hoogdalem
Op 07-02-2022 18:38 heeft Remco Viëtor
geschreven:
On lundi 7 février 2022 18:19:57 CET Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it
working. I
> searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem.
>(...)
> So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up
quite a
> bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to
bring
> that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being
> applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in
the
> expose module before I started to create the mask.)
If you are using the scene-referred workflow, you could use the tone
equaliser
for this (or perhaps adjust filmic).
As for the mask, did you visualise it ("circle in square" icon next to
"mask
refinement) and did it show the area you wanted to mask (yellow) ?
> I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and
telling
> that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to chose
'mask'. But
> when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list without the
option
> 'mask'.
I haven't seen a "mask" option in blendmode ever (that is, the last few
years). I found that I always have to check the date on any kind of
tutorial,
as changes are rather fast (not only for darktable) .
>
> What can I do to make this work?
First we have to know what went wrong...
Keep in mind that in your case, masking and reducing exposition can
lead to
strange tone transitions at the edges. That
Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
* Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-07-22 13:13]: > ? I don't see new text __ > > > Hartelijke groet, > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > Op 07-02-2022 18:51 heeft Patrick Shanahan geschreven: > > * Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-07-22 12:47]: > > Tnx but like I explained: Safari has huge problems. I can’t visit > tutorials now. I can send and receive emails and use Whatsapp, luckily, but > my browser refuses often. Like now. > > > > > > > > Hartelijke groet, > > > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > > > > > > > Van: Ludger Bolmerg > > Datum: maandag 7 februari 2022 om 18:35 > > Aan: > > Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > > > > > > > > Here you can find some excellent videos on masking in DT > > > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxHYygok15XQ6bqu9FK-oCw/videos > > > > On 2/7/22 18:19, Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it > working. I searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem. > Also: my new M1 Macbook is malfunctioning and often stops internet all of a > sudden without restarting properly. So my online resources are really small. > Watching on my phone is an option, but the content doesn't cover my question, > like I said. > > > > > > > > So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up > quite a bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to > bring that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being > applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in the > expose module before I started to create the mask.) > > > > > > > > I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and > telling that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to chose > 'mask'. But when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list without the > option 'mask'. > > > > > > > > What can I do to make this work? > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > so a Better First Step might be to solve your computing problems. > > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc > What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled > with > those events that alter and illuminate our times... > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org maybe you should actually read postings. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
? I don't see new text __
Hartelijke groet,
Hieke van Hoogdalem
Op 07-02-2022 18:51 heeft Patrick Shanahan geschreven:
* Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-07-22 12:47]:
> Tnx but like I explained: Safari has huge problems. I can’t visit
tutorials now. I can send and receive emails and use Whatsapp, luckily, but my
browser refuses often. Like now.
>
>
>
> Hartelijke groet,
>
> Hieke van Hoogdalem
>
>
>
>
>
> Van: Ludger Bolmerg
> Datum: maandag 7 februari 2022 om 18:35
> Aan:
> Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
>
>
>
> Here you can find some excellent videos on masking in DT
>
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxHYygok15XQ6bqu9FK-oCw/videos
>
> On 2/7/22 18:19, Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it
working. I searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem.
Also: my new M1 Macbook is malfunctioning and often stops internet all of a
sudden without restarting properly. So my online resources are really small.
Watching on my phone is an option, but the content doesn't cover my question,
like I said.
>
>
>
> So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up
quite a bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to bring
that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being applied
to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in the expose module
before I started to create the mask.)
>
>
>
> I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and
telling that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to chose 'mask'.
But when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list without the option
'mask'.
>
>
>
> What can I do to make this work?
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Hieke van Hoogdalem
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
Hi Remco,
Tnx. Yes I always check the dates of tutorials. This one was 2 years old so I
already expected some UI items to be different. I mainly followed this one
because he explains how to apply a mask including the use of the mouse. Where
to click etc. with free forms... I didn't manage to get that right before.
Thanks for the tips, I do work with scene referred RGB indeed. "Keep in mind
that in your case, masking and reducing exposition can lead to strange tone
transitions at the edges. That's why I suggested tone equaliser or filmic
adjustments instead of masking." Towing (?) the exposure down gave weird
results indeed. The tone equalizer was - almost - exactly what I needed. You
saved this image! Merci mille fois! Je t'embrasse tès fort et je te donne un
grand bisoux __
There are other images too though wich need a mask, but for several different
reasons. So I'm still looking for learning to work with masks. I have until the
end of this week - up until and including Thursday actually - for making these
changes and entering my pix for a contest.
And yes, I see the yellow part. What about it? __
Cordialement,
Hieke van Hoogdalem
Op 07-02-2022 18:38 heeft Remco Viëtor geschreven:
On lundi 7 février 2022 18:19:57 CET Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it
working. I
> searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem.
>(...)
> So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up
quite a
> bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to bring
> that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being
> applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in the
> expose module before I started to create the mask.)
If you are using the scene-referred workflow, you could use the tone
equaliser
for this (or perhaps adjust filmic).
As for the mask, did you visualise it ("circle in square" icon next to
"mask
refinement) and did it show the area you wanted to mask (yellow) ?
> I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and telling
> that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to chose 'mask'. But
> when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list without the option
> 'mask'.
I haven't seen a "mask" option in blendmode ever (that is, the last few
years). I found that I always have to check the date on any kind of
tutorial,
as changes are rather fast (not only for darktable) .
>
> What can I do to make this work?
First we have to know what went wrong...
Keep in mind that in your case, masking and reducing exposition can lead to
strange tone transitions at the edges. That's why I suggested tone
equaliser
or filmic adjustments instead of masking.
darktable user mailing list
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Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
* Hieke van Hoogdalem [02-07-22 12:47]: > Tnx but like I explained: Safari has huge problems. I can’t visit tutorials > now. I can send and receive emails and use Whatsapp, luckily, but my browser > refuses often. Like now. > > > > Hartelijke groet, > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > Van: Ludger Bolmerg > Datum: maandag 7 februari 2022 om 18:35 > Aan: > Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply > > > > Here you can find some excellent videos on masking in DT > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxHYygok15XQ6bqu9FK-oCw/videos > > On 2/7/22 18:19, Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: > > Hi there, > > I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it working. I > searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem. Also: my new > M1 Macbook is malfunctioning and often stops internet all of a sudden without > restarting properly. So my online resources are really small. Watching on my > phone is an option, but the content doesn't cover my question, like I said. > > > > So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up quite a > bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to bring that > down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being applied to > the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in the expose module > before I started to create the mask.) > > > > I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and telling > that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to chose 'mask'. But > when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list without the option > 'mask'. > > > > What can I do to make this work? > > > > Kind regards, > > Hieke van Hoogdalem > > > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > so a Better First Step might be to solve your computing problems. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
Tnx but like I explained: Safari has huge problems. I can’t visit tutorials now. I can send and receive emails and use Whatsapp, luckily, but my browser refuses often. Like now. Hartelijke groet, Hieke van Hoogdalem Van: Ludger Bolmerg Datum: maandag 7 februari 2022 om 18:35 Aan: Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply Here you can find some excellent videos on masking in DT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxHYygok15XQ6bqu9FK-oCw/videos On 2/7/22 18:19, Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: Hi there, I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it working. I searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem. Also: my new M1 Macbook is malfunctioning and often stops internet all of a sudden without restarting properly. So my online resources are really small. Watching on my phone is an option, but the content doesn't cover my question, like I said. So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up quite a bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to bring that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in the expose module before I started to create the mask.) I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and telling that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to chose 'mask'. But when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list without the option 'mask'. What can I do to make this work? Kind regards, Hieke van Hoogdalem darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
On lundi 7 février 2022 18:19:57 CET Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it working. I
> searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem.
>(...)
> So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up quite a
> bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to bring
> that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being
> applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in the
> expose module before I started to create the mask.)
If you are using the scene-referred workflow, you could use the tone equaliser
for this (or perhaps adjust filmic).
As for the mask, did you visualise it ("circle in square" icon next to "mask
refinement) and did it show the area you wanted to mask (yellow) ?
> I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and telling
> that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to chose 'mask'. But
> when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list without the option
> 'mask'.
I haven't seen a "mask" option in blendmode ever (that is, the last few
years). I found that I always have to check the date on any kind of tutorial,
as changes are rather fast (not only for darktable) .
>
> What can I do to make this work?
First we have to know what went wrong...
Keep in mind that in your case, masking and reducing exposition can lead to
strange tone transitions at the edges. That's why I suggested tone equaliser
or filmic adjustments instead of masking.
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Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
Here you can find some excellent videos on masking in DT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxHYygok15XQ6bqu9FK-oCw/videos On 2/7/22 18:19, Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: Hi there, I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I can't get it working. I searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my problem. Also: my new M1 Macbook is malfunctioning and often stops internet all of a sudden without restarting properly. So my online resources are really small. Watching on my phone is an option, but the content doesn't cover my question, like I said. So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to brighten up quite a bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use a mask to bring that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the exposure, it's being applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new instance in the expose module before I started to create the mask.) I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend mode' and telling that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to chose 'mask'. But when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list without the option 'mask'. What can I do to make this work? Kind regards, Hieke van Hoogdalem signature_337089939 darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
