Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Leong KT]

Thank you for the advices from this group. I shall now put my nose to the 
grindstone. I shall get back to you later.

This is a great group.

Ka Tai




> On 11 Apr 2021, at 08:28, Terry Pinfold  wrote:
> 
> My advice is not to fall into the trap of expecting Darktable to be a direct 
> Lightroom replacement. I still use LR to catalog and import/sort my images, 
> but when it comes to the editing, I just love the depth of control, options 
> and masks to be found in Darktable. You must read relevant parts of the 
> manual and watch videos including by my fellow Australian Bruce Williams. 
> There are some videos very technical videos produced by one of the 
> developers, Aurelien Pierre, which would help you understand the unique 
> modules he creates including Filmic. Filmic is an alternative to using base 
> curves. Base curves are used to imitate the out of camera JPG look that we 
> expect from programs like Lightroom. Filmic gives in my opinion a superior 
> result without trying to be an imitation of the out of camera look. It 
> reminds me more of an analog film look. 
> 
> Take home message is that darktable is really worth the effort to learn. It 
> is my favourite editing program.  
> 
> 
> From: Bruce Williams 
> Sent: Saturday, 10 April 2021 8:50 PM
> To: darktable-user 
> Subject: Fwd: [darktable-user] Newbie
>  
> Thanks for the plugs, Martin and Archie! :)
> Cheers,
> Bruce Williams
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> 
> 
> 
> ------ Forwarded message -
> From: Archie Macintosh 
> Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Newbie
> To: Leong KT 
> Cc: Archie Macintosh , Monsieur N 
> , darktable-user 
> 
> 
> There's a comprehesive manual here:
> https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/
> 
> (Though it can be a bit 'technical' till you get used to the concepts.
> 
> 
> And there's an excellent series of videos by Bruce Williams, who
> really knows how to make short training videos, here:
> https://www.youtube.com/user/audio2u/videos
> 
> Take your time, and try things out for yourself.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:39, Leong KT  wrote:
> >
> > Is my face red!
> >
> > I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I 
> > guess I shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight 
> > forward like Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.
> >
> > For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?
> >
> > Thank you for your help.
> >
> > Ka Tai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:
> > >
> > > The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
> > > packages up to and including Catalina.
> > >
> > > My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I 
> > > have no hesitation in recommending it to you.
> > >
> > > Download the .dmg here:
> > > https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
> > > Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a 
> > > Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from 
> > > that. Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit 
> > > of command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can 
> > > try it step by step.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 
> > > 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a 
> > > few weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that 
> > > Darktable works for X100V.
> > >
> > > This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> > >
> > > Ka Tai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to you !
> > > >
> > > > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > > >
> > > > N
> > > >
> > > > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> > > >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It 
> > > 

Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Terry Pinfold]

My advice is not to fall into the trap of expecting Darktable to be a direct 
Lightroom replacement. I still use LR to catalog and import/sort my images, but 
when it comes to the editing, I just love the depth of control, options and 
masks to be found in Darktable. You must read relevant parts of the manual and 
watch videos including by my fellow Australian Bruce Williams. There are some 
videos very technical videos produced by one of the developers, Aurelien 
Pierre, which would help you understand the unique modules he creates including 
Filmic. Filmic is an alternative to using base curves. Base curves are used to 
imitate the out of camera JPG look that we expect from programs like Lightroom. 
Filmic gives in my opinion a superior result without trying to be an imitation 
of the out of camera look. It reminds me more of an analog film look.

Take home message is that darktable is really worth the effort to learn. It is 
my favourite editing program.



From: Bruce Williams 
Sent: Saturday, 10 April 2021 8:50 PM
To: darktable-user 
Subject: Fwd: [darktable-user] Newbie

Thanks for the plugs, Martin and Archie! :)
Cheers,
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-- Forwarded message -
From: Archie Macintosh mailto:archie...@gmx.co.uk>>
Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Newbie
To: Leong KT mailto:ktb...@gmail.com>>
Cc: Archie Macintosh mailto:archie...@gmx.co.uk>>, 
Monsieur N mailto:monsieu...@posteo.net>>, 
darktable-user 
mailto:darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>>


There's a comprehesive manual here:
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/<https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/>

(Though it can be a bit 'technical' till you get used to the concepts.


And there's an excellent series of videos by Bruce Williams, who
really knows how to make short training videos, here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/audio2u/videos<https://www.youtube.com/user/audio2u/videos>

Take your time, and try things out for yourself.

Enjoy!

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:39, Leong KT 
mailto:ktb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Is my face red!
>
> I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I guess 
> I shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight forward 
> like Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.
>
> For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Ka Tai
>
>
>
>
> > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh 
> > mailto:archie...@gmx.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
> > packages up to and including Catalina.
> >
> > My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I 
> > have no hesitation in recommending it to you.
> >
> > Download the .dmg here:
> > https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos<https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos>
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT 
> > mailto:ktb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a Mac 
> > version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. 
> > Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of 
> > command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it 
> > step by step.
> >
> > On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 
> > does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few 
> > weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable 
> > works for X100V.
> >
> > This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> >
> > Ka Tai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N 
> > > mailto:monsieu...@posteo.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Welcome to you !
> > >
> > > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > >
> > > N
> > >
> > > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> > >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It 
> > >>

Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Archie Macintosh]

There's a comprehesive manual here:
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

(Though it can be a bit 'technical' till you get used to the concepts.


And there's an excellent series of videos by Bruce Williams, who
really knows how to make short training videos, here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/audio2u/videos

Take your time, and try things out for yourself.

Enjoy!

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:39, Leong KT  wrote:
>
> Is my face red!
>
> I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I guess 
> I shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight forward 
> like Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.
>
> For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Ka Tai
>
>
>
>
> > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:
> >
> > The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
> > packages up to and including Catalina.
> >
> > My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I 
> > have no hesitation in recommending it to you.
> >
> > Download the .dmg here:
> > https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
> > Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a Mac 
> > version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. 
> > Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of 
> > command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it 
> > step by step.
> >
> > On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 
> > does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few 
> > weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable 
> > works for X100V.
> >
> > This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> >
> > Ka Tai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Welcome to you !
> > >
> > > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > >
> > > N
> > >
> > > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> > >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It 
> > >> works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and 
> > >> have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is 
> > >> like going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 
> > >> 35mm lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> > >>
> > >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to 
> > >> get the update.
> > >>
> > >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw 
> > >> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly 
> > >> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your help.
> > >>
> > >> Ka 
> > >> Tai
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> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Martin Anstett]

Hi,

I know this is kind of 90s these days, but it might make sense to take a 
look at the darktable manual to get an understanding on the concepts and 
modules.
And NO, darktable is no plug-in replacement for Adobe Lightroom. It is a 
different program with different concepts, strengths and usage.


--> Manual: https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

Highly recommended also the tutorials that Bruce Williams makes:
--> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkqe4BYsllmcxo2dsF-rFQw/videos

And: you should consider to get a look at the darktable section of pixls.us:

--> https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19


Cheers, Martin

On 10.04.21 11:39, Leong KT wrote:

Is my face red!

I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I guess I 
shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight forward like 
Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.

For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?

Thank you for your help.

Ka Tai





On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:

The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
packages up to and including Catalina.

My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So 

I have no hesitation in recommending it to you.


Download the .dmg here:
https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos

Enjoy!

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a 
Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it 
step by step.


On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a 

few weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable 
works for X100V.


This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.

Ka Tai





On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:

Hello,

Welcome to you !

Do you use Windows or Linux ?

N

Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It 
works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm 
lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.


But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to get 
the update.

I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw files? 
Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly complicated. Is there 
a simple workaround?

Thank you for your help.

Ka 
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Colin Adams]

There is a user manual and many beginners guides.

I recommend
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8CZCvZL3ic2hg074Quh2oA/featured

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:40, Leong KT  wrote:

> Is my face red!
>
> I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I
> guess I shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight
> forward like Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.
>
> For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Ka Tai
>
>
>
>
> > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:
> >
> > The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the
> Mac packages up to and including Catalina.
> >
> > My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I
> have no hesitation in recommending it to you.
> >
> > Download the .dmg here:
> > https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
> > Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a
> Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that.
> Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of
> command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it
> step by step.
> >
> > On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom
> 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few
> weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable
> works for X100V.
> >
> > This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> >
> > Ka Tai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Welcome to you !
> > >
> > > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > >
> > > N
> > >
> > > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> > >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It
> works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and
> have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like
> going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm
> lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> > >>
> > >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe
> to get the update.
> > >>
> > >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V
> raw files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your help.
> > >>
> > >> Ka
> Tai
> > >> darktable user mailing list
> > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Leong KT]

Is my face red!

I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I guess I 
shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight forward like 
Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.

For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?

Thank you for your help.

Ka Tai




> On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:
> 
> The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
> packages up to and including Catalina. 
> 
> My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I have 
> no hesitation in recommending it to you. 
> 
> Download the .dmg here:
> https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
> Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a Mac 
> version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. 
> Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of command 
> lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it step by 
> step.
> 
> On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 
> does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few 
> weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable works 
> for X100V.
> 
> This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> 
> Ka Tai
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Welcome to you !
> > 
> > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > 
> > N
> > 
> > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It works 
> >> fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have 
> >> stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like 
> >> going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm 
> >> lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> >> 
> >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to 
> >> get the update.
> >> 
> >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw 
> >> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly 
> >> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> >> 
> >> Thank you for your help.
> >> 
> >> Ka 
> >> Tai
> >> darktable user mailing list
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:11:04 +0800
Leong KT  wrote:

> Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is
> a Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install
> from that. Instead I need to go through a process which involves
> quite a bit of command lines. That is why I think it is complicated.
> I guess I can try it step by step.
> 
Who did advice you to not install the Mac version of Darktable and what
were their reasons?

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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Jan Ingwer Baer]

What you mention is for the people who wants to compile it self. The
installer for the ready-to-use version is a different thing. I think you
will find a ready-to-use installer on the release page of github or on
direct on the darktable page : https://www.darktable.org/install/

On 09-Apr-21 09:42, Leong KT wrote:

I may have misunderstood. I got the impression from a post by Pascal Obry, 
announcing the release of version 3.4.1:

"We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.4.1!

The github release is here:
[https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.1](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.1)
.

As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided by
github, but only our tar.xz. the checksums are:
“
Actually I have no idea what tarball and tar.xz are. 

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On 9 Apr 2021, at 15:19, Michael Rasmussen  wrote:

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:11:04 +0800
Leong KT  wrote:


Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is
a Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install
from that. Instead I need to go through a process which involves
quite a bit of command lines. That is why I think it is complicated.
I guess I can try it step by step.


Who did advice you to not install the Mac version of Darktable and what
were their reasons?

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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Archie Macintosh]

The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac
packages up to and including Catalina.

My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I
have no hesitation in recommending it to you.

Download the .dmg here:
https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos

Enjoy!

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:

> Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a Mac
> version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that.
> Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of
> command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it
> step by step.
>
> On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6
> does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few
> weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable
> works for X100V.
>
> This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
>
> Ka Tai
>
>
>
>
> > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Welcome to you !
> >
> > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> >
> > N
> >
> > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It
> works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and
> have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like
> going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm
> lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> >>
> >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe
> to get the update.
> >>
> >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw
> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> >>
> >> Thank you for your help.
> >>
> >> Ka
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[Leong KT]

I may have misunderstood. I got the impression from a post by Pascal Obry, 
announcing the release of version 3.4.1:

"We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.4.1!

The github release is here:
[https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.1](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.1)
.

As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided by
github, but only our tar.xz. the checksums are:
“
Actually I have no idea what tarball and tar.xz are. 

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> On 9 Apr 2021, at 15:19, Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:11:04 +0800
> Leong KT  wrote:
> 
>> Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is
>> a Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install
>> from that. Instead I need to go through a process which involves
>> quite a bit of command lines. That is why I think it is complicated.
>> I guess I can try it step by step.
>> 
> Who did advice you to not install the Mac version of Darktable and what
> were their reasons?
> 
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[Leong KT]

Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a Mac 
version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. Instead 
I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of command lines. 
That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it step by step.

On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 does 
not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few weeks ago 
and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable works for X100V.

This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.

Ka Tai




> On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Welcome to you !
> 
> Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> 
> N
> 
> Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
>> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It works 
>> fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have 
>> stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like going 
>> back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm lens. I can 
>> concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
>> 
>> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to get 
>> the update.
>> 
>> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw 
>> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly 
>> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
>> 
>> Thank you for your help.
>> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Terry Pinfold]

I totally agree with Bernhard that we should not discard the original RAW
files. Sorry I did not make that important point clear. The DNG conversion
is just a temporary fix for unsupported cameras and not the best option in
my opinion. I am not sure what is lost in the DNG conversion process but
will always keep the out of camera RAW file regardless.

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 09:34, Bernhard  wrote:

>
>
> Terry Pinfold schrieb am 09.04.21 um 00:03:
> > however,
> > unsupported cameras can usually be made to work in Lightroom and
> Darktable
> > by using Adobe's free DNG converter to turn the RAW file into a DNG.
> but doing this - never throw away the original RAF files as this is a
> one-way process and noone guarantees that this will work in future also.
> Darktable is tested against original RAW files but not against converted
> ones. At least this is what the devs say.
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Bernhard]

Terry Pinfold schrieb am 09.04.21 um 00:03:

however,
unsupported cameras can usually be made to work in Lightroom and Darktable
by using Adobe's free DNG converter to turn the RAW file into a DNG.
but doing this - never throw away the original RAF files as this is a 
one-way process and noone guarantees that this will work in future also. 
Darktable is tested against original RAW files but not against converted 
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Marcus Amorim]

Yes, Leong, Darktable supports X100V very well!

Marcus

Em qui., 8 de abr. de 2021 às 19:04, Terry Pinfold 
escreveu:

> Hi Leong,
>   I can not comment on if your fujifilm works with Darktable, however,
> unsupported cameras can usually be made to work in Lightroom and Darktable
> by using Adobe's free DNG converter to turn the RAW file into a DNG.
> Magically doing this allowed LR6 to recognise my Olympus TG6 raw files when
> before it could not. So now I don't even need to do DNG  conversion.
> Darktable is a straight install for Windows. Also, I have LR6 and LR
> subscription but always use Darktable in preference because it gives so
> much more control and has great masking options to localise adjustments. In
> my opinion, LR is like the automatic car for mundane commutes to the shops
> and Darktable is the sports car that really brings out the fun.
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 19:27, Leong KT  wrote:
>
>> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It
>> works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and
>> have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like
>> going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm
>> lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
>>
>> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to
>> get the update.
>>
>> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw
>> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
>> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
>>
>> Thank you for your help.
>>
>> Ka
>> Tai
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[Terry Pinfold]

Hi Leong,
  I can not comment on if your fujifilm works with Darktable, however,
unsupported cameras can usually be made to work in Lightroom and Darktable
by using Adobe's free DNG converter to turn the RAW file into a DNG.
Magically doing this allowed LR6 to recognise my Olympus TG6 raw files when
before it could not. So now I don't even need to do DNG  conversion.
Darktable is a straight install for Windows. Also, I have LR6 and LR
subscription but always use Darktable in preference because it gives so
much more control and has great masking options to localise adjustments. In
my opinion, LR is like the automatic car for mundane commutes to the shops
and Darktable is the sports car that really brings out the fun.

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 19:27, Leong KT  wrote:

> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It works
> fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have
> stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like
> going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm
> lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
>
> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to
> get the update.
>
> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw
> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[KOVÁCS István]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 19:43, Guillermo Rozas  wrote:

> it seems the X100V is not currently supported: 
> https://www.darktable.org/resources/camera-support/.
> In the same page you will find the instructions on how to add support for it.

I think the development version can process X100V files, at least we
played around with one of those in January:
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/colour-calibration-green-tinge/22810

> The instructions to install darktable on Windows are here: 
> https://www.darktable.org/install/#windows. Just download the file and 
> install it.

Probably a dev(elopment) build would be needed. I build my own on
Linux; I'm not sure if anyone publishes Windows or MacOS builds
regularly.

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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Guillermo Rozas]

Hi,

it seems the X100V is not currently supported:
https://www.darktable.org/resources/camera-support/. In the same page you
will find the instructions on how to add support for it.

The instructions to install darktable on Windows are here:
https://www.darktable.org/install/#windows. Just download the file and
install it.

Best regards,
Guillermo

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:26 AM Leong KT  wrote:

> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It works
> fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have
> stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like
> going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm
> lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
>
> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to
> get the update.
>
> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw
> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:26:17 +0800
Leong KT  wrote:

> 
> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V
> raw files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> 
'apt install darktable' seems mighty simple to me?

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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Andrew Greig]

Hi Ka Tai,

I use a Fuji X100F which generates .RAF raw files what is your file 
extension?  I have no issues with RAF files in Darktable.



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On 8/4/21 8:22 pm, Monsieur N wrote:


Hello,

Welcome to you !

Do you use Windows or Linux ?

N

Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :

I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It works fine 
for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have stuck to 
Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like going back to the 
days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm lens. I can concentrate on 
the photo instead of the equipment.

But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to get 
the update.

I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw files? 
Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly complicated. Is there 
a simple workaround?

Thank you for your help.

Ka 
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Hello,

Welcome to you !

Do you use Windows or Linux ?

N

Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :

I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It works fine 
for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have stuck to 
Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like going back to the 
days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm lens. I can concentrate on 
the photo instead of the equipment.

But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to get 
the update.

I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw files? 
Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly complicated. Is there 
a simple workaround?

Thank you for your help.

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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Remco Viëtor]

On jeudi 8 avril 2021 11:39:48 CEST Michael Rasmussen wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:26:17 +0800
> 
> Leong KT  wrote:
> > I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V
> > raw files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
> > complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> 
> 'apt install darktable' seems mighty simple to me?

Isn't "apt" a *linux* package manager? and lightroom a *windows/macOS* 
program?

But what seems so "dauntingly complicated"? Basically, it's "run the 
installer"... It might help if we have some details about operating system and 
specific problems

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

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> Please have a look on my last roll, and share your thoughts on the
> above outlined process, and possibly on the work I did during
> shooting the roll.
> 

I believe your WB is off but the rest is fine for me. E.g. petals of
that flowering plant are white — 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OG1qBSteoXLoFj60ilk92P6n63EPxiI_/view?usp=sharing

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

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I have on many occasions scanned film accidentally with the emulsion side
incorrectly placed. Never had a problem that simply flipping the image in
editing software could not fix. This issue seems like a storm in a teacup.

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 18:22, Miklós Müller  wrote:

> I don't quite get this. We are taking a picture of a fully backlit
> transparent object. My understanding is that all the film layers act as a
> filter for the light. So all layers will be equally involved regardless
> which one is in the front.
>
> Anyway I did some research:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=dslr+film+scanning+emulsion+up+or+down
>
> What I understood from people's comments is that for flatbed and
> filmscanners it does indeed make a difference, i.e. avoiding newton rings,
> and possibly other benefits, but it seems so to me that with dslr film
> scanning most people agree that they see no noticeable benefit of having
> the emulsion side down.
>
> thanks:
> m
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> you want to take an image of the emulsion layer (which contains the
>> photographic information). You do want to have as little as possible
>> in between that layer and your lens, not even the film carrier.
>> Mirroring can be done in software easily, lost information can't be
>> regained.
>>
>> Uwe
>>
>>
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[jys]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, at 09:53, Miklós Müller wrote:

> 2. set white balance using a spot on the film base (unexposed stripe 
> between slides)

In theory, at least, the white balance should be set for the actual light 
source alone, rather than the light source through the unexposed film, while 
all handling of the film mask is later done by negadoctor, *after* the camera 
capture has been through the camera matrix in "input color profile". The idea 
is that you are first correcting for the light and camera color to get a true 
"neutral" scan of the negative itself for further inverting and processing by 
negadoctor.

> 3. use the global color picker to note the values for the white (well 
> grey) stripe between two slides, convert them to hex rgb

The last time I checked, the picker in negadoctor was sensitive to dust, 
scratches, etc and required a really clean sample area for good results; I'm 
not sure if this has been improved by now or not (I would guess not). Anyway I 
think the global picker would be seeing different data from a different point 
in the pipe than negadoctor, so using that isn't quite in line with "negadoctor 
theory"... but ultimately what matters is that you get results that you like, 
of course. :-)

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Miklós Müller]

Thanks for all of you for your invaluable contribution to the journey I
started with film scanning. Using your input I now finally settled with a
minimum number of steps that gives me an acceptable start for a complete
film roll using the exact same steps for each slide. So here is my approach:

1. turn off base curve
2. set white balance using a spot on the film base (unexposed stripe
between slides)
3. use the global color picker to note the values for the white (well grey)
stripe between two slides, convert them to hex rgb
4. negadoctor: enter the hex rgb calculated in step 3 with the color
selector gui (not the color picker, because for some reason it gives me
different results. Set scanner bias to -0.1dB for a somewhat lighter, more
middle-balanced histogram
5. rgb curve: set black point to 25% and white point to 75% for more lively
colors (see this  for a visual
explanation)
6. tone curve: apply "contrast - high (gamma 2.2)" preset
7. crop and rotate
(i attached these as a dstyle below, i hope i did it right)

I apply these setting to the whole film roll, so I get an impression about
how well I managed to set aperture and exposition over the whole film roll.
Please have a look on my last roll
, and share your thoughts on
the above outlined process, and possibly on the work I did during shooting
the roll.

Nikon FE, C200.

thanks:
Miklos

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 1:43 PM  wrote:

> Ah, sorry, you thought bit deeper.
> The film will not act as a typical lens-mounted filter (like
> softeners) as it is too close to the object plane.
> But lets consider this: if your film layer would be opaque you'd see a
> difference between having it on the illumination side or on the lens
> side. You'd still see the image if on the lens side but with
> diminished contrast and thus loss of resolution. OTOH you might well
> place an opaque screen at any place on the illumination side without
> loosing information (just overall brightness).
>
> Uwe
>
>
> Quoting Miklós Müller :
>
> > I don't quite get this. We are taking a picture of a fully backlit
> > transparent object. My understanding is that all the film layers act as a
> > filter for the light. So all layers will be equally involved regardless
> > which one is in the front.
> >
> > Anyway I did some research:
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=dslr+film+scanning+emulsion+up+or+down
> >
> > What I understood from people's comments is that for flatbed and
> > filmscanners it does indeed make a difference, i.e. avoiding newton
> rings,
> > and possibly other benefits, but it seems so to me that with dslr film
> > scanning most people agree that they see no noticeable benefit of having
> > the emulsion side down.
> >
> > thanks:
> > m
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> you want to take an image of the emulsion layer (which contains the
> >> photographic information). You do want to have as little as possible
> >> in between that layer and your lens, not even the film carrier.
> >> Mirroring can be done in software easily, lost information can't be
> >> regained.
> >>
> >> Uwe
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[horst]

Ah, sorry, you thought bit deeper.
The film will not act as a typical lens-mounted filter (like  
softeners) as it is too close to the object plane.
But lets consider this: if your film layer would be opaque you'd see a  
difference between having it on the illumination side or on the lens  
side. You'd still see the image if on the lens side but with  
diminished contrast and thus loss of resolution. OTOH you might well  
place an opaque screen at any place on the illumination side without  
loosing information (just overall brightness).


Uwe


Quoting Miklós Müller :


I don't quite get this. We are taking a picture of a fully backlit
transparent object. My understanding is that all the film layers act as a
filter for the light. So all layers will be equally involved regardless
which one is in the front.

Anyway I did some research:
https://www.google.com/search?q=dslr+film+scanning+emulsion+up+or+down

What I understood from people's comments is that for flatbed and
filmscanners it does indeed make a difference, i.e. avoiding newton rings,
and possibly other benefits, but it seems so to me that with dslr film
scanning most people agree that they see no noticeable benefit of having
the emulsion side down.

thanks:
m

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:


Hi,

you want to take an image of the emulsion layer (which contains the
photographic information). You do want to have as little as possible
in between that layer and your lens, not even the film carrier.
Mirroring can be done in software easily, lost information can't be
regained.

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[horst]

Hi,
the influence may be negligible. In an ideal world, the film between  
lens and layer would not alter the image.

Our world is real.
YMMV.
Uwe


Quoting Miklós Müller :


I don't quite get this. We are taking a picture of a fully backlit
transparent object. My understanding is that all the film layers act as a
filter for the light. So all layers will be equally involved regardless
which one is in the front.

Anyway I did some research:
https://www.google.com/search?q=dslr+film+scanning+emulsion+up+or+down

What I understood from people's comments is that for flatbed and
filmscanners it does indeed make a difference, i.e. avoiding newton rings,
and possibly other benefits, but it seems so to me that with dslr film
scanning most people agree that they see no noticeable benefit of having
the emulsion side down.

thanks:
m

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:


Hi,

you want to take an image of the emulsion layer (which contains the
photographic information). You do want to have as little as possible
in between that layer and your lens, not even the film carrier.
Mirroring can be done in software easily, lost information can't be
regained.

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Miklós Müller]

I don't quite get this. We are taking a picture of a fully backlit
transparent object. My understanding is that all the film layers act as a
filter for the light. So all layers will be equally involved regardless
which one is in the front.

Anyway I did some research:
https://www.google.com/search?q=dslr+film+scanning+emulsion+up+or+down

What I understood from people's comments is that for flatbed and
filmscanners it does indeed make a difference, i.e. avoiding newton rings,
and possibly other benefits, but it seems so to me that with dslr film
scanning most people agree that they see no noticeable benefit of having
the emulsion side down.

thanks:
m

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> you want to take an image of the emulsion layer (which contains the
> photographic information). You do want to have as little as possible
> in between that layer and your lens, not even the film carrier.
> Mirroring can be done in software easily, lost information can't be
> regained.
>
> Uwe
>
>


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Terry Pinfold]

looks a nice setup. I suspect putting in a bright 6500K LED bulb would help
and as suggested additional blue filtration might be good as well.
Advantage of LED is cool temperature so less problems with heat bending
negatives in the holder.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 at 15:07, jys  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, at 08:24, Miklós Müller wrote:
> > As for the scanning resolution, I have to resort to my 6MP Nikon D50, my
> budget does not allow for more ATM.
> >
> > Here's the scanning rig BTW: https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8
>
> That is a beautiful reproduction rig, but... if it's as old as it looks, I
> guess it uses some kind of incandescent light source? If you want to make
> the most of your camera's dynamic range, you probably want to use a very
> "cool" light source (6500K, aka "daylight", or even add some gels to make
> it even more "blue"). This way, you won't end up with such an underexposed
> blue channel in order to avoid clipping the red channel; it will move them
> all a little closer together in the histogram. This crudely approximates
> what film scanners do by exposing the different channels for different
> lengths of time. It just helps with not having to push the digital
> stretching of the blue channel quite as hard. Take a shot without film
> loaded to get a white balance for the light itself, and use that WB setting
> for all the shots, then use the negadoctor module to further adjust for the
> remaining orange mask.
>
> In addition to the links already provided for information about negadoctor
> module, also pay attention to the tooltips when hovering over the slider
> labels - there's a lot of information there.
>
> And, just for my take on processing one of the old negatives, attached is
> an XMP for the first one, which also uses the color balance module to
> further correct some of the extreme color cast into something a little more
> neutral. Note the use of the parametric blend to constrain the processing
> to the shadow areas. You could do even better with more time spent on the
> masking, but it's a quick example. :-)
>
> --
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

> Avoiding clipping is the most important thing, but also having some
> data to work with is important, too. :-)
> 

If you don't clip channels you capture data good enough for work.
Having older sensor might be a problem, since they tend to produce more
noise in darker areas but I would just overexpose a bit. Trying to get
proper color rendition from old films is pointless. Dyes degrade and
they do it at different speed. It will require further work anyway.

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[jys]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, at 23:34, Timur Irikovich Davletshin wrote:
> I believe white balance is nothing to worry about.

The role of the white balance module is explained here:

 
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/inverting-photos-of-color-negatives-with-darktable/9140/44

How much that step actually matters in practice probably depends on the 
specific camera/color matrix being used, I guess.

> Anyway you adjust channels individually in negadoctor module without any 
> reference to the bulb type. The only thing you should worry about is to get 
> no clipping in individual channels of your "scan".

Avoiding clipping is the most important thing, but also having some data to 
work with is important, too. :-)

When you capture a scene under 2700K lighting, you're capturing very little 
information in the blue channel. Using digital white balance adjustment to 
"correct" this capture so that white objects display as white is similar to 
boosting a very underexposed capture with respect to the blue channel. This is 
something that people try to avoid by exposing correctly, for good reason. Now, 
when using this 2700K source to backlight an orange-masked color negative, you 
are compounding this problem - there's a lot of red spectrum hitting the 
sensor, and very little of the blue (you can see it in the histogram).

Film scanners get around this by exposing each channel for as long as needed 
for a "good" exposure, but you can't do that with a camera. What you *can* do 
is adjust the spectrum of the light source to balance the orange mask, just 
like in an analog darkroom. The good news is that you don't have to get it 
"right", because you can do that digitally later... but if you can get it 
"better", that's better, and probably especially so if your "scanner" is a 
15-year-old sensor with a base ISO of 200.

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[horst]

Hi,

you want to take an image of the emulsion layer (which contains the  
photographic information). You do want to have as little as possible  
in between that layer and your lens, not even the film carrier.

Mirroring can be done in software easily, lost information can't be regained.

Uwe


Quoting Miklós Müller :


Timur,

Why is that happening? Where can i read about that more? Also,  
thanks for the tip on that other forum at  
https://discuss.pixls.us/tags/play_raw.

M

On 2020. Aug 13., at AM 6:37, Timur Irikovich Davletshin  
 wrote:

Well, in this case you may be losing in resolution. But it is up to
you. If it works and you're satisfied with results - do it :)

Timur.


On Thu, 2020-08-13 at 00:46 +0200, Miklós Müller wrote:
Except that I always feed the films with the emulsion side facing the
lamp of the enlarger... so i get the right flip (i.e readable text).
Or do i get something wrong?

M


On 2020. Aug 13., at AM 12:10, Timur Irikovich Davletshin <
timur.davlets...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is the only proper way of scanning. Judging by your scanning
setup
I was right.
Timur.

On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 23:23 +0200, Miklós Müller wrote:
This message of yours somehow did not get thru the list, but I
managed to catch it on the mail-archive web site:
"Why don't you flip it in horizontal direction? If scanned from
emulsion
side it should be flipped."
How do you spot that it was scanned on emulsion side?
thanks:
m
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 5:46 PM Timur Irikovich Davletshin <
timur.davlets...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's the scanning rig BTW:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8

OMG, looks heavy. Don't break your lens mount.
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

I believe white balance is nothing to worry about. Anyway you adjust
channels individually in negadoctor module without any reference to the
bulb type. The only thing you should worry about is to get no clipping
in individual channels of your "scan".

Timur.

On Thu, 2020-08-13 at 08:27 +0200, Miklós Müller wrote:
> Jys,
> 
> Thanks for the tips, they absolutely me sense. I used a 2700k led
> until now, but will definitely give a try to a cooler e17 bulb.
> 
> M
> 
> > On 2020. Aug 13., at AM 7:08, jys 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, at 08:24, Miklós Müller wrote:
> > > As for the scanning resolution, I have to resort to my 6MP Nikon
> > > D50, my budget does not allow for more ATM.
> > > 
> > > Here's the scanning rig BTW: 
> > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8
> > 
> > That is a beautiful reproduction rig, but... if it's as old as it
> > looks, I guess it uses some kind of incandescent light source? If
> > you want to make the most of your camera's dynamic range, you
> > probably want to use a very "cool" light source (6500K, aka
> > "daylight", or even add some gels to make it even more "blue").
> > This way, you won't end up with such an underexposed blue channel
> > in order to avoid clipping the red channel; it will move them all a
> > little closer together in the histogram. This crudely approximates
> > what film scanners do by exposing the different channels for
> > different lengths of time. It just helps with not having to push
> > the digital stretching of the blue channel quite as hard. Take a
> > shot without film loaded to get a white balance for the light
> > itself, and use that WB setting for all the shots, then use the
> > negadoctor module to further adjust for the remaining orange mask.
> > 
> > In addition to the links already provided for information about
> > negadoctor module, also pay attention to the tooltips when hovering
> > over the slider labels - there's a lot of information there.
> > 
> > And, just for my take on processing one of the old negatives,
> > attached is an XMP for the first one, which also uses the color
> > balance module to further correct some of the extreme color cast
> > into something a little more neutral. Note the use of the
> > parametric blend to constrain the processing to the shadow areas.
> > You could do even better with more time spent on the masking, but
> > it's a quick example. :-)
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Miklós Müller]

Jys,

Thanks for the tips, they absolutely me sense. I used a 2700k led until now, 
but will definitely give a try to a cooler e17 bulb.

M

> On 2020. Aug 13., at AM 7:08, jys  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, at 08:24, Miklós Müller wrote:
>> As for the scanning resolution, I have to resort to my 6MP Nikon D50, my 
>> budget does not allow for more ATM.
>> 
>> Here's the scanning rig BTW: https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8
> 
> That is a beautiful reproduction rig, but... if it's as old as it looks, I 
> guess it uses some kind of incandescent light source? If you want to make the 
> most of your camera's dynamic range, you probably want to use a very "cool" 
> light source (6500K, aka "daylight", or even add some gels to make it even 
> more "blue"). This way, you won't end up with such an underexposed blue 
> channel in order to avoid clipping the red channel; it will move them all a 
> little closer together in the histogram. This crudely approximates what film 
> scanners do by exposing the different channels for different lengths of time. 
> It just helps with not having to push the digital stretching of the blue 
> channel quite as hard. Take a shot without film loaded to get a white balance 
> for the light itself, and use that WB setting for all the shots, then use the 
> negadoctor module to further adjust for the remaining orange mask.
> 
> In addition to the links already provided for information about negadoctor 
> module, also pay attention to the tooltips when hovering over the slider 
> labels - there's a lot of information there.
> 
> And, just for my take on processing one of the old negatives, attached is an 
> XMP for the first one, which also uses the color balance module to further 
> correct some of the extreme color cast into something a little more neutral. 
> Note the use of the parametric blend to constrain the processing to the 
> shadow areas. You could do even better with more time spent on the masking, 
> but it's a quick example. :-)
> 
> -- 
> jys
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Miklós Müller]

Timur,

Why is that happening? Where can i read about that more? Also, thanks for the 
tip on that other forum at https://discuss.pixls.us/tags/play_raw.
M

>> On 2020. Aug 13., at AM 6:37, Timur Irikovich Davletshin 
>>  wrote:
> Well, in this case you may be losing in resolution. But it is up to
> you. If it works and you're satisfied with results - do it :)
> 
> Timur.
> 
>> On Thu, 2020-08-13 at 00:46 +0200, Miklós Müller wrote:
>> Except that I always feed the films with the emulsion side facing the
>> lamp of the enlarger... so i get the right flip (i.e readable text).
>> Or do i get something wrong?
>> 
>> M
>> 
>>> On 2020. Aug 13., at AM 12:10, Timur Irikovich Davletshin <
>>> timur.davlets...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This is the only proper way of scanning. Judging by your scanning
>>> setup
>>> I was right.
>>> Timur.
 On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 23:23 +0200, Miklós Müller wrote:
 This message of yours somehow did not get thru the list, but I
 managed to catch it on the mail-archive web site:
 "Why don't you flip it in horizontal direction? If scanned from
 emulsion
 side it should be flipped."
 How do you spot that it was scanned on emulsion side?
 thanks:
 m
 On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 5:46 PM Timur Irikovich Davletshin <
 timur.davlets...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here's the scanning rig BTW:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8
> OMG, looks heavy. Don't break your lens mount.
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, at 08:24, Miklós Müller wrote:
> As for the scanning resolution, I have to resort to my 6MP Nikon D50, my 
> budget does not allow for more ATM.
> 
> Here's the scanning rig BTW: https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8

That is a beautiful reproduction rig, but... if it's as old as it looks, I 
guess it uses some kind of incandescent light source? If you want to make the 
most of your camera's dynamic range, you probably want to use a very "cool" 
light source (6500K, aka "daylight", or even add some gels to make it even more 
"blue"). This way, you won't end up with such an underexposed blue channel in 
order to avoid clipping the red channel; it will move them all a little closer 
together in the histogram. This crudely approximates what film scanners do by 
exposing the different channels for different lengths of time. It just helps 
with not having to push the digital stretching of the blue channel quite as 
hard. Take a shot without film loaded to get a white balance for the light 
itself, and use that WB setting for all the shots, then use the negadoctor 
module to further adjust for the remaining orange mask.

In addition to the links already provided for information about negadoctor 
module, also pay attention to the tooltips when hovering over the slider labels 
- there's a lot of information there.

And, just for my take on processing one of the old negatives, attached is an 
XMP for the first one, which also uses the color balance module to further 
correct some of the extreme color cast into something a little more neutral. 
Note the use of the parametric blend to constrain the processing to the shadow 
areas. You could do even better with more time spent on the masking, but it's a 
quick example. :-)

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Bernhard]

jade...@ziggo.nl schrieb am 12.08.20 um 15:41:

Maybe these will help you with using darktable to process negatives.

This does need the latest darktable version (3.2.1), 'cause this is when the
negadoctor module was introduced. This module was specifically made for
processing negatives.

attached find the xmp of those images using negadoctor in dt 3.2.1
Put those together with the nef into a folder and import that folder to 
see the results.


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 17:30 +0200, Jean-Luc Lacroix wrote:
> Darktable 3.2.1
> 
> 
> 
> My take only using the eyedropper tool from the negadoctor module
> in
> the dark green area of the larger tree and a slight correction on
> the dynamic range slider (0.61 db). Colors are a bit
> oversaturated.
> You can tweek this in the correction tab of that module.
> 
> 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Aq6SXSKIhuKPNjrMsFJUA9jFdOGD4EBx/view
> 
> 
> 
Why don't you flip it in horizontal direction? If scanned from emulsion
side it should be flipped.


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

> Here's the scanning rig BTW: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Darktable 3.2.1

My take only using the eyedropper tool from the negadoctor module in the 
dark green area of the larger tree and a slight correction on the 
dynamic range slider (0.61 db). Colors are a bit oversaturated. You can 
tweek this in the correction tab of that module.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Aq6SXSKIhuKPNjrMsFJUA9jFdOGD4EBx/view

JL

Le 12/08/20 à 15:06, Miklós Müller a écrit :

Hello,

I am quite new to raw processing with darktable. My primary purpose is 
to "scan" negative films with dslr, invert them, and then do some post 
processing. This is just a hobby, so I don't expect stunning results 
at start, I just need something to begin with.


I can achieve pretty good results with new films shot by myself with 
just a few clicks.


But I am completely lost when I am trying to revie my father's 40+ 
year old negatives. I do the same basic steps what I do with my new 
films (i.e. white balance the film base on the right side, do an 
invert with picker choosing the now white stripe on the right, and 
then I there I am with a dull image seemingly lacking color and 
contrast, etc.


I would be very grateful, if you could help me out getting started, 
i.e provide me with a basic, repeatable set of steps which would bring 
me to a somewhat better image.


Here are the links to an example nef file and an exported jpg to the 
starting point where I currently stand quite helpless.
nef 
 

xmp 
 

jpg 



Another dull example:
nef 

xmp 

jpg 



Another (somewhat better) example, where I used the woman's swimming 
dress to pick black and white points with the rgb curve tool:
nef 
 

xmp 
 

jpg 





Thanks for your help:
Miklos

 
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Miklós Müller]

Oh it's been a long time since I was on a mailing list, I have to get used
to reply to the list again. As for the scanning resolution, I have to
resort to my 6MP Nikon D50, my budget does not allow for more ATM.

Here's the scanning rig BTW: https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8

M

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Timur Irikovich Davletshin <
timur.davlets...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> 1. Maybe its my just untrained eyes, but I fail to see the visual
> difference between the AMaZE and PPG demosaicking methods. I will do some
> reading about it.
>
>
> Depends, try color smoothing and averaging option. They do make difference
> for certain situation like those palm leaves with that back-lit sky.
>
> 2. As for the highlight reconstruction, did you change anything? When I
> load your xmp, I see no changes (i.e. clip highlight, threshold: 1, just
> the same as the untouched image).
>
>
> Honestly speaking I don't remember. It took like 10 minutes to make it, 7
> of them I was drinking tea and retouching scratches. Don't take it as a
> rule. Your negative has very little details in dark regions of the image,
> so I don't like trying to recover something that doesn't exist in the
> picture. Same for highlights.
>
> 3. How can I extract the xmp info from a jpg file within darktable?
>
>
> Lighttable mode → history stack → load sidecar file... choose JPG file.
>
> Don't forget to click "reply to mailing list" not to the "sender only" :)
>
> Timur.
>
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

> 1. Maybe its my just untrained eyes, but I fail to see the visual
> difference between the AMaZE and PPG demosaicking methods. I will do
> some reading about it.

Depends, try color smoothing and averaging option. They do make
difference for certain situation like those palm leaves with that back-
lit sky.

> 2. As for the highlight reconstruction, did you change anything? When
> I load your xmp, I see no changes (i.e. clip highlight, threshold: 1,
> just the same as the untouched image).

Honestly speaking I don't remember. It took like 10 minutes to make it,
7 of them I was drinking tea and retouching scratches. Don't take it as
a rule. Your negative has very little details in dark regions of the
image, so I don't like trying to recover something that doesn't exist
in the picture. Same for highlights.

> 3. How can I extract the xmp info from a jpg file within darktable?

Lighttable mode → history stack → load sidecar file... choose JPG file.

Don't forget to click "reply to mailing list" not to the "sender only"
:)

Timur.


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[jade_nl]

Hi Miklós,

Maybe these will help you with using darktable to process negatives.

This does need the latest darktable version (3.2.1), 'cause this is when the
negadoctor module was introduced. This module was specifically made for
processing negatives.

There isn't that much material available yet, but these three might help:

Testing Darktable 3 Negadoctor module (1):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgEqDqR514Q

Testing Darktable 3 Negadoctor module (2):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_0v0pBOsY

And the video made by Aurélien Pierre, the developer of this module:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiNlHBZE888

There's also this thread on pixls.us:
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/inverting-photos-of-color-negatives-with-darktable/9140/42

Hope this helps.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 15:06:27 +0200
Miklós Müller  wrote:,

> Hello,
> 
> I am quite new to raw processing with darktable. My primary purpose is to
> "scan" negative films with dslr, invert them, and then do some post
> processing. This is just a hobby, so I don't expect stunning results at
> start, I just need something to begin with.
> 
> I can achieve pretty good results with new films shot by myself with just a
> few clicks.
> 
> But I am completely lost when I am trying to revie my father's 40+ year old
> negatives. I do the same basic steps what I do with my new films (i.e.
> white balance the film base on the right side, do an invert with picker
> choosing the now white stripe on the right, and then I there I am with a
> dull image seemingly lacking color and contrast, etc.
> 
> I would be very grateful, if you could help me out getting started, i.e
> provide me with a basic, repeatable set of steps which would bring me to a
> somewhat better image.
> 
> Here are the links to an example nef file and an exported jpg to the
> starting point where I currently stand quite helpless.
> nef
> 
> xmp
> 
> jpg
> 
> 
> Another dull example:
> nef
> 
> xmp
> 
> jpg
> 
> 
> Another (somewhat better) example, where I used the woman's swimming dress
> to pick black and white points with the rgb curve tool:
> nef
> 
> xmp
> 
> jpg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help:
> Miklos
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

My take on your second image:

1. JPG: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qiPsmmlaCdcNexnCa90x5gVxyswWL9M_/view?usp=sharing

2. XMP (generally there is no need to post, just load history from
JPG): 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tADB3DviM8_G8oi-rMcxiZVTMZ82X0T3/view?usp=sharing

Timur.

P.S. Wash old films in distilled water and use wet scanning if you can.
Take higher resolution if possible (12-18 Mpx for 35mm), it will help
avoiding ugly bluish artifacts around high contrast details on color
negatives. Don't enable base curve module.


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[KOVÁCS István]

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 15:08, Miklós Müller  wrote:
> I am trying to revie my father's 40+ year old negatives. I do the same basic 
> steps what I do with my
> new films (i.e. white balance the film base on the right side, do an invert 
> with picker choosing
> the now white stripe on the right, and then I there I am with a dull image 
> seemingly lacking color and contrast, etc.

Have you tried the new negadoctor module? See
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/darktable-3-2-containment-effect/19652 and
search for the name.

Kofa

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