Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
> My module is a superset of Joshua's... however, mine still needs the > interface to be polished (I plan on adding a way to select which > optional pieces of ISO8601 are legal). Hmm... I could use your module for recurrence and duration parsing. -J --
Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
> Is there any reason it can't all go in one module? I think that'd be much > easier for end users. Yes. Ben and I have discussed this off list. In fact that discussion is, I believe, where the DT::F::DateManip module came from. I started on this several months ago and never got around to finishing it - Ben didn't know that and hard already started on his module. I think it's ok though as they are really very different and I think Ben's parser has a lot of potential for supporting different syntaxes when it matures. I wanted to put my module into shared CVS some time ago but nobody has commented on the namespace issue... -J --
Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
My module is a superset of Joshua's... however, mine still needs the interface to be polished (I plan on adding a way to select which optional pieces of ISO8601 are legal). Mine may also be slightly slower (but I don't think there is much in it). -ben On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 06:05:59PM -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > > > Agreed. I think it should boil down to recurrences and durations.. If > > most people need that functionality then lets call your module > > DT::F::ISO8601 and I'll use ISO8601::Simple. If they don't then I'll > > take ISO8601 and you can use ISO8601::Complex. > > Is there any reason it can't all go in one module? I think that'd be much > easier for end users. > > > -dave > > /*=== > House Absolute Consulting > www.houseabsolute.com > ===*/
Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > Agreed. I think it should boil down to recurrences and durations.. If > most people need that functionality then lets call your module > DT::F::ISO8601 and I'll use ISO8601::Simple. If they don't then I'll > take ISO8601 and you can use ISO8601::Complex. Is there any reason it can't all go in one module? I think that'd be much easier for end users. -dave /*=== House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com ===*/
Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
> We should get this name thing resolved so we can get both modules > committed and up on CPAN. I don't care either way. Agreed. I think it should boil down to recurrences and durations.. If most people need that functionality then lets call your module DT::F::ISO8601 and I'll use ISO8601::Simple. If they don't then I'll take ISO8601 and you can use ISO8601::Complex. As it stands my module is almost CPAN ready - I just need to spend a little bit more time on it. Probably tonight or tomorrow. For now I'm more interested in parsing dates/times quickly then supporting the other stuff. Although I've started thinking about it as well. -J --
Re: [Pdx-pm] Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation
> Try http://oscon.kwiki.org/ . That's just for OSCON - I'm thinking in the general case.
Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > links to local movie listings - including the McWorldDomination's pages > the laser light shows at OMSI Something to consider when dealing with OMSI: They had promised to provide a drop for a wireless connection for KBOO radio in order to facilitate a remote broadcast for the Waterfront Blues Festival during the July 4th Weekend. At the last moment, they reneged. Something about the director of technology saying that it 'was too much work'. All they promised to do was to provide a network drop (RJ-45) into their backbone. (During a holiday weekend with load would be light; as well as a community organization supporting another community organization). These guys can be a little slipery. Mark
Re: [Pdx-pm] Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation
Try http://oscon.kwiki.org/ . On (Tue, Jul 01 08:48), Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > This question has crossed 3 lists that I'm on in various forms > (datetime, pdx.pm, plug) and probably a few others. Maybe an out of > town geek page would be a good idea? I'd volunteer to do it but I > count as out of town now. :) > > Things to list: > > hotels with connectivity > links to the freenode/personaltelco pages > a map of powells and powells tech. books > the GPS coords of important locations (book stores, hotels, coffee shops, bars..) > links to local movie listings - including the McWorldDomination's pages > the laser light shows at OMSI > anything else that might interest a geek > > Sound like a good idea? > > -J > > -- > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > > > > > > Surely there's some coffee shops or net cafes around with wireless > > > > and/or jacks? These days it's generally gratis so long as you buy > > > > a coffee every now and then. > > > > > > > > (haven't been paying attention, so I'm not sure exactly which city > > > > we're talking about) > > > > > > Portland, OR. I'm cc this to the Portland Linux Users Group (PLUG) as > > > they've been the people in the know when I've had questions. I found a > > > nice little hotel downtown from their referrals. > > > > http://www.personaltelco.net/static/hotspots.html > > http://www.auscillate.com/wireless/portland/index.php > > > > --Paul Heinlein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 07:36:48AM -0700, Hill, Ronald wrote: > Yes, and so will Date::Calc (that is what I use) But I wanted to use only > one > Date module. It makes no sense to use say Date::Calc with DateTime. I know you provided a code snippet below, but in general when using Date::Calc do you use GMT or Local time when doing the operations? If you mix the two, how do you keep track of which is which? Do you use Date::Calc::Object? I am trying to work out what the interface should be for a possible DateTime::Format::DateCalc converter. I think it is too complicated to use the typical parse_datetime() style (because you need to tell the sub whether it is in GMT or local time). Also it would be nice to have a sub that could take the date and time parts and put them together into a DT and vice versa. Anyway, any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, -ben
Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
Ben Bennett wrote: > No DT::F::ISO8601 (::?) is still a separate beast (which may get > called by DT::F::Complex). ISO8601 parsing is pretty much done except > for recurrences... I have some questions how to translate a > recurrence that has 5 instances 20 minutes apart but does not give a > start or end time. I may just do as I do elsewhere and use an > optional user provided time (and fall back to now()). That would generate a DateTime::Duration::Set, but we don't have this class yet :) print DT::Format::ICal->duration_set( $dur_set ); # PT0M,PT20M,PT40M,PT60M,PT80M - Flavio S. Glock
Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 09:04:14AM -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > Looks good Ben. The timezone stuff must have been fun. :) Fun in which sense of the word :-) > I ported a small piece of code (in production though) from Date::Manip to DT not > long ago. I've been meaning to post the diffs and the benchmarks to the list. I'll > do it as soon as I'm back on a fast connection. Cool. > > Sometime I want to finish writing DateTime::Format::Complex that will > > grok complex "English" (although I want it to be localizable) date > > strings. But that is still under consideration. > > Has DateTime::Format::ISO8601::(?:Complex) grown into this or is it a different > module? No DT::F::ISO8601 (::?) is still a separate beast (which may get called by DT::F::Complex). ISO8601 parsing is pretty much done except for recurrences... I have some questions how to translate a recurrence that has 5 instances 20 minutes apart but does not give a start or end time. I may just do as I do elsewhere and use an optional user provided time (and fall back to now()). We should get this name thing resolved so we can get both modules committed and up on CPAN. I don't care either way. -ben
Re: ANNOUCE: DateTime::Format::DateManip
Looks good Ben. The timezone stuff must have been fun. :) I ported a small piece of code (in production though) from Date::Manip to DT not long ago. I've been meaning to post the diffs and the benchmarks to the list. I'll do it as soon as I'm back on a fast connection. > Sometime I want to finish writing DateTime::Format::Complex that will > grok complex "English" (although I want it to be localizable) date > strings. But that is still under consideration. Has DateTime::Format::ISO8601::(?:Complex) grown into this or is it a different module? -J --
Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation
Joshua Hoblitt wrote: This question has crossed 3 lists that I'm on in various forms (datetime, pdx.pm, plug) and probably a few others. Maybe an out of town geek page would be a good idea? Add anything that you find missing here: http://oscon.kwiki.org/index.cgi?HomePage John (who saw this link on the P5P list) -- John Peacock Director of Information Research and Technology Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group 4501 Forbes Boulevard Suite H Lanham, MD 20706 301-459-3366 x.5010 fax 301-429-5748
Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation
This question has crossed 3 lists that I'm on in various forms (datetime, pdx.pm, plug) and probably a few others. Maybe an out of town geek page would be a good idea? I'd volunteer to do it but I count as out of town now. :) Things to list: hotels with connectivity links to the freenode/personaltelco pages a map of powells and powells tech. books the GPS coords of important locations (book stores, hotels, coffee shops, bars..) links to local movie listings - including the McWorldDomination's pages the laser light shows at OMSI anything else that might interest a geek Sound like a good idea? -J -- On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > > > > Surely there's some coffee shops or net cafes around with wireless > > > and/or jacks? These days it's generally gratis so long as you buy > > > a coffee every now and then. > > > > > > (haven't been paying attention, so I'm not sure exactly which city > > > we're talking about) > > > > Portland, OR. I'm cc this to the Portland Linux Users Group (PLUG) as > > they've been the people in the know when I've had questions. I found a > > nice little hotel downtown from their referrals. > > http://www.personaltelco.net/static/hotspots.html > http://www.auscillate.com/wireless/portland/index.php > > --Paul Heinlein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >
Re: DateTime::Duration nits...
> > How about a DT::Duration::Set class?
> >
> > add() pushes a duration object into a DT::D::Set object
> >
> > _collapse() would call a 'sum' method on a DT::D::Set object
> >
> > _collapse_to_datetime() would call _collapse (or the 'sum' method
> > directly) on a DT::D::Set object and add the resulting DT::D object to a
> > DT object.
>
> And this is easier than "$dt->add( months => 1 )->add( days => -2 )" how?
Well DT::D could create one DT::D object for each parameter in it's constructor.
So DT::D->new( months => 1, days => -2 ) would create a DT::D::Set.
If DT understands these sets then your 'syntax sugar' should work with mixed signs.
$dt->add( months => 1, days => -2 );
The down side is it will be a bit complicated to add/subtract these sets.
Although I think this is pretty cool solution:
use DateTime;
my $dt = DateTime->now;
my $dur = sub { $_[0]->add( months => 3 )->subtract( hours => 3 ) };
print $dur->($dt)->datetime;
-J
--
RE: ppm builds for Win32?
Hi Dave, > > > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Hill, Ronald wrote: > [snipped] > Hmm, the recent releases of Archive::Tar are totally > rewritten in Perl, primarily in order to work > consistently across all platforms. What > version do you have? I curently have version 0.23 I checked th eBuild.pl file and followed the recommendations 'Archive::Tar' => 0.23, I will install the 1.03 version that I found on cpan [more snippage] > > > > includes a "./Build ppd" action to auto-generate a ppd file, > > > which may be useful. > > > > F:\perl_modules\DateTime-TimeZone-0.21>perl build ppd > > Cannot create a PPD file unless codebase argument is given > > I checked the docs for Module-Build and found no reference > > to the ppd function. So I have no idea what it wants. > > This would be in the Build.PL file in the call to Module::Build->new() > > I'm the one who wrote most of the code in Module::Build::PPMMaker, and > honestly I have no idea how correct it is. I couldn't find much good > documentation of PPM/PPD stuff. You might want to talk to Randy Kobes on this. He is the one that knows ppm the most. [more snippage] > > I didn't say that would work ;) I just said it should install without > needing a compiler or nmake, via the CPAN shell or from the > command line. > > Don't mind me, I'm just having a bad day with perl ;) Ron Hill
RE: ppm builds for Win32?
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Hill, Ronald wrote: > > > > You can do "./Build dist". The latest Module::Build beta > > (0.18_02) also > > I tried this. Here is the result. > Creating DateTime-TimeZone-0.21.tar.gz > Can't locate object method "create_archive" via package "Archive::Tar" at > F:\pe > ild/Base.pm line 1323. > > I then checked the Docs for Archive-Tar and found this: > > Although rich in features, it is known to not work on Win32 platforms. > On those platforms, Archive::Tar will silently and transparently fall > back to Archive::Tar::Win32. Please refer to that manpage if you are on > a Win32 platform. Hmm, the recent releases of Archive::Tar are totally rewritten in Perl, primarily in order to work consistently across all platforms. What version do you have? > OK, great, I guess I need to fill out another bug report? No, I'll tell Ken. I think M::B just needs to depend on Archive::Tar 1.00. > > includes a "./Build ppd" action to auto-generate a ppd file, > > which may be useful. > > F:\perl_modules\DateTime-TimeZone-0.21>perl build ppd > Cannot create a PPD file unless codebase argument is given > I checked the docs for Module-Build and found no reference > to the ppd function. So I have no idea what it wants. This would be in the Build.PL file in the call to Module::Build->new() I'm the one who wrote most of the code in Module::Build::PPMMaker, and honestly I have no idea how correct it is. I couldn't find much good documentation of PPM/PPD stuff. > > However, in theory, a non-XS module that uses Module::Build > > should install on Windows just fine, without any need for > > external tools, no compiler, no nmake. > > As of now I am unable to generate a ppm file for DateTime-TimeZone > for perl version 5.8.0 I didn't say that would work ;) I just said it should install without needing a compiler or nmake, via the CPAN shell or from the command line. -dave /*=== House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com ===*/
Re: ppm builds for Win32?
Hill, Ronald wrote: Yes, they are out of date. There is a good reason for this. We were having problems with DateTime compiling on Win32 for quite some time. Didn't mean to cast aspersions, I figured it was something like this based on my troubles with 0.12. Has anyone volunteered to keep up with these? If not I'd be happy to build them and send on the PPD/tarball files (for both 5.6x and 5.8x builds) to someone else to post on the website. I guess I have. But feel free!! It would be nice to have something that is automated. Well, since I'm (at least mostly) human it's not automated, but it should do. If someone could send me contact info for the person responsible for putting the files on the datetime.perl.org website I'd appreciate it. Later, Chris -- Chris Winters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988.
RE: ppm builds for Win32?
Hi Dave, [snipped] > > You can do "./Build dist". The latest Module::Build beta > (0.18_02) also I tried this. Here is the result. Creating DateTime-TimeZone-0.21.tar.gz Can't locate object method "create_archive" via package "Archive::Tar" at F:\pe ild/Base.pm line 1323. I then checked the Docs for Archive-Tar and found this: Although rich in features, it is known to not work on Win32 platforms. On those platforms, Archive::Tar will silently and transparently fall back to Archive::Tar::Win32. Please refer to that manpage if you are on a Win32 platform. OK, great, I guess I need to fill out another bug report? > includes a "./Build ppd" action to auto-generate a ppd file, > which may be useful. F:\perl_modules\DateTime-TimeZone-0.21>perl build ppd Cannot create a PPD file unless codebase argument is given I checked the docs for Module-Build and found no reference to the ppd function. So I have no idea what it wants. > > However, in theory, a non-XS module that uses Module::Build > should install on Windows just fine, without any need for > external tools, no compiler, no nmake. As of now I am unable to generate a ppm file for DateTime-TimeZone for perl version 5.8.0 Ron Hill
Re: DT::F::ICal format_recurrence
We could add an optional parameter to DateTime::Set
recurrence constructor:
$r = new DT::Set {
recurrence => sub { next_day($_) },
as_ical_string => "RRULE:FREQ=DAILY",
}
DT::E:Cron, DT::E:Recurrence, DT::E:ICal can use
this to setup a valid ICal string.
In some cases this will be a multiline string.
- Flavio S. Glock
> Quoting Dave Rolsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > This is hard, since recurrences are implemented
as closures/coderefs, and
> > there's no way to look at one and figure out what
it represents.
>
> Is it feasible, during construction, to leave
enough bread crumbs around to
> reverse the process?
>
> (I would imagine DT::Event::ICal would be best
positioned to understand the gap
> between the bread crumbs and actual construction)
>
> Matt
>
ppm builds for Win32?
I mentioned this to Dave offlist and he suggested I post a message here. The next release of OpenInteract relies on DateTime so I'm interested in keeping up-to-date PPM builds for Win32 folks. The links to the PPM repository from the datetime.perl.org site seem a bit out of date, particularly with how fast the project is moving. Has anyone volunteered to keep up with these? If not I'd be happy to build them and send on the PPD/tarball files (for both 5.6x and 5.8x builds) to someone else to post on the website. Later, Chris PS - I hate to be one of "those people", but please cc me on replies. There's too much traffic on this list for me to follow along :-) -- Chris Winters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988.
