Re: method for booting the talking network installation with non-free firmware from the hard drive using grub

2021-08-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le lun. 30 août 2021 20:43:41 -0500, a ecrit: > Hi, Should I first uncompress both files or just cat them both together and > what one should I put first? Just cat the two .gz files, the order doesn't matter. > as lots of newer systems do not have CD or DVD or BD drives Err, yes

Re: method for booting the talking network installation with non-free firmware from the hard drive using grub

2021-08-30 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le lun. 30 août 2021 16:27:29 -0500, a ecrit: > The issue is that all of my network cards require non-free firmware > to load is there a version of the GTK network boot files that contain > this firmware? Ah, no, the firmwares are not inside the initrd. But you can cat the

Re: speech-dispatcher config file?

2021-08-30 Thread Samuel Thibault
mattias jonsson, le lun. 30 août 2021 08:56:18 +0200, a ecrit: > i try to configure speech-dispatcher to use inet socket and not unix socket > but wich things i need to coment out? Uncomment # CommunicationMethod "unix_socket" and turn that into inet_socket Samuel

Re: method for booting the talking network installation with non-free firmware from the hard drive using grub

2021-08-30 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le lun. 30 août 2021 07:22:01 -0500, a ecrit: > What would I need to do after I made a copy of the initial ramdisk image > gzip file and the kernel to /boot to run the talking version of the > debian-installer Simply a grub entry that runs linux /the/kernel speakup.synth=soft

Re: method for booting the talking network installation with non-free firmware from the hard drive using grub

2021-08-30 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski: > There is no way to extract the GTK initial ramdisk image gzip file from > the iso file You can do that as well, yes. > or just place the iso file in /home That part would make it much harder for the installer to find the iso image. Putting it onto a partition is really much

Re: method for booting the talking network installation with non-free firmware from the hard drive using grub

2021-08-29 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Nick Gawronski wrote: > one of my other partitions on my hard drive contain the Debian network > installation with the non-free firmware then setup grub for a text > target Yes, that's possible. The simplest way is to dd the iso image to the partition, and then in the grub boot section

Re: speech-dispatcher config file?

2021-08-28 Thread Samuel Thibault
mattias jonsson, le ven. 27 août 2021 17:40:41 +0200, a ecrit: > i try to change speech-dispatcher to not using socket in my crouton chroot > but where is the config file? > i found the /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf > but seems it are not the correct one.. That should be it, unless you have

Re: Any users of non-UTF8 locales here?

2021-08-27 Thread Samuel Thibault
Rick Thomas, le ven. 27 août 2021 04:04:54 -0700, a ecrit: > rbthomas@monk:~$ env | grep LANG > LANG=C Ok, that one does not need a plan, it will definitely stay there :) Samuel

Re: Any users of non-UTF8 locales here?

2021-08-26 Thread Samuel Thibault
Didier Spaier, le ven. 27 août 2021 00:32:11 +0200, a ecrit: > > Err, yes, but what is your point? > > How to make sure users have always LANG set? There is almost no language beyond english that can work with only ASCII. > I don't know if/how Debian sets LANG by default It just uses the

Re: java-atk-wrapper: which files ar used in /run/user/1000/*

2021-08-25 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, I could reproduce your issue. Halim Sahin, le lun. 14 juin 2021 11:08:08 +0200, a ecrit: > when a running desktop crashs or a user does > sudo systemctl lightdm restart > > a11y including orca etc works as expected. > Only java apps which use atk-wrapper is completely inaccessible. > >

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 3 release

2021-08-25 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Kenneth Schack Banner wrote: > The torrent mirror seems to have a bug, i was not able to download the > unofficial release using a bittorrent clinet, but i was able to download it > with http/ftp This is completely out of our area :) I don't know who would be best to contact, but

Re: debian bullseye on chrome os with crouton

2021-08-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
mattias jonsson, le mar. 24 août 2021 21:33:44 +0200, a ecrit: > but how can debian stretch works fine and not the newer? In stretch the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR variable was not set, and thus the speech-dispatcher socket would end up in the user's home, and I guess that happens to be working by luck with

Orca 41 beta ready for testing

2021-08-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, I have uploaded orca 41 beta to the experimental Debian distribution, it will be available on mirrors shortly in a few hours, ready for testing One notable change compared to alpha is the addition of the new key snooping mechanism, which will allow to have key echo and orca shortcuts in

Re: debian bullseye on chrome os with crouton

2021-08-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, mattias, le mar. 24 août 2021 12:38:11 +0200, a ecrit: > speech dispatcher will not run > it looks for the socket but fails to find it. I guess the crouton developers need to be aware of this bug to be able to fix it. Samuel

Re: Commands Inside the Installer

2021-08-23 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le lun. 23 août 2021 14:56:41 -0400, a ecrit: > [   498.089] (**) Speakup: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall" This is the virtual keyboard that speakup uses to fake keypresses. Samuel

Re: Commands Inside the Installer

2021-08-23 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, wrote: > but no sound, Ok :/ > Also since it doesn't have firmware for ilwi or whatever the module I > need for the WiFi I have in this computer, I wasn't going to install > the mini.iso. Ok, but can't you run amixer -c 0 scontrols and see whether it is still emitting the

Re: Commands Inside the Installer

2021-08-23 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, wrote: > amixer -c 0 scontrols > Invalid card number Oh. That was not really expected. It doesn't seem to be producing an issue in the script, but let's invest a bit there. Could you try this image: https://people.debian.org/~sthibault/tmp/mini.iso which includes the i915 driver,

Re: Debian 11 - high contrast theme bug

2021-08-23 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le dim. 22 août 2021 21:49:28 +0200, a ecrit: > Kenneth Schack Banner, le sam. 21 août 2021 09:17:08 +0200, a ecrit: > > I just install Debian 11 using the netinstaller (unofficial). I changed the > > theme from high contract, invert to high contrast. When i

Re: d-i & sound boards that need firmwares: errata?

2021-08-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Holger Wansing, le mer. 18 août 2021 21:34:24 +0200, a ecrit: > Am 18. August 2021 21:17:57 MESZ schrieb Samuel Thibault > : > > > >I'm thinking that we should add the problem to the errata list, > >so that people know about the issue? I have commit access to > &

Re: firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Install

2021-08-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
I already know all of this, it's all in the archives of the mailing list. What I'm asking you is to run the same set of commands, inside the installer, on the second console for instance. You can for instance write the output on a mounted keystick. Samuel

Re: firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Install

2021-08-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > I also attach a file with the answers to your request. Ok, thanks. Is this on a system that works, or within the installer that doesn't work? We need both, to be able to compare and see where things get wrong. Samuel

Re: Debian 11 - high contrast theme bug

2021-08-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Kenneth Schack Banner, le sam. 21 août 2021 09:17:08 +0200, a ecrit: > I just install Debian 11 using the netinstaller (unofficial). I changed the > theme from high contract, invert to high contrast. When i enable negative > colors (super + n/m) the top menu is not affected. Indeed,

Re: firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Install

2021-08-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring wrote: > This joy didn't last long because of problems with Xauthority files, they were > causing problems.  Didier helped me with this, he said that logging in as root > and running X can cause file ownership problems. Mmm, but that's not supposed to happen, it's a bug worth trying

Bug#992699: debian-installer: Firmwares required for some sound cards

2021-08-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Package: debian-installer Version: 20210731 Severity: normal Tags: a11y d-i Hello, As mentioned in the Bullseye errata, there seems to be a number of sound cards that require loading a firmware to be able to emit sound (e.g. Intel SOF). Unfortunately currently the installer loads firmware after

Re: firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Install

2021-08-22 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, I can only repeat myself. I am not getting theses issues in my tests, so we need information from your machine to determine what is going wrongly in your case. For the MATE problem, please bring it up to MATE maintainers who will know what to inspect, we in debian-accessibility don't

Re: Solution for Those Who Cannot Log Into MATE in Bullseys

2021-08-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, wrote: > Eventually the Stable repositories will contain the fixes that are in > the Testing repositories and everything will be OK. Well, for that to happen, possibly discussion needs to happen with MATE people. Possibly they are not aware of the particular problem that you have,

Re: debian version of orca

2021-08-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Jude DaShiell, le mer. 30 juin 2021 05:49:54 -0400, a ecrit: > When I poweroff the computer here, I hear two different orca shutting down > messages. Is this something that should come with the territory? It seems that lightdm is not shutting down its own orca indeed. That probably

Re: large VGA font in speech-based installer.

2021-08-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 18 août 2021 23:05:04 -0400, a ecrit: > It probably was terminus 10x20 > I do wish there was a bit larger font. Terminus has 22x11, 24x12, 28x14, 32x16 variants. But the actual result completely depends on the actual resolution that your framebuffer is getting. Samuel

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Pawel wrote: > I don't know what made you think that I did not try alt+F1 before > writing to the list. Because you didn't say that you tried, and we have already seen reports that were solved simply by the knowledge that alt-f1 is what you need to use. Pawel wrote: > Whatever I tried brought me

Re: large VGA font in speech-based installer.

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > doing so would help users with minimal but some vision to > have the screen to reinforce what they hear with the screen reader. That makes sense indeed. One thing is: there is no such thing as "the largest font available", we can always draw larger fonts, up to

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jeffery Mewtamer, le mer. 18 août 2021 23:21:43 +, a ecrit: > heck, I'm almost willing to bet real money the two versions are > compiled and uploaded by the same people Very most probably, yes :) Samuel

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote: > What I was talking about is that Debian refuses to change it's policy > of non-free, Ok. That indeed happens to be non-negociable. That goes back to the #1 item of the social contract of Debian: “Debian will remain 100% free”. But also there you can find “Works that do

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 18 août 2021 15:50:14 -0400, a ecrit: > They all have the same problems, sound card is detected but cannot be > selected and used during installation, Normally they can. And in my tests they are. Did you try the capslock-1 / capslock-2 shortcuts? > But it worked!

Re: d-i & sound boards that need firmwares: errata?

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Cyril Brulebois, le mer. 18 août 2021 21:25:08 +0200, a ecrit: > Yes, that's all there's to do to get the errata updated. Ok, thanks! Done so. > Of course, it might take a few hours until that's noticed by the cron > job Sure! As well as translations etc. Samuel

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Jeffery Mewtamer, le mer. 18 août 2021 18:59:32 +, a ecrit: > Kind of want to try out the new release to find out if I encounter > similar problems, but I don't want to risk my main system, One thing you can try is to just boot the installer, to check that you get speech in the

Re: Report on Latest Testing (Bullseys) Weekly Build

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 15 août 2021 15:54:50 -0400, a ecrit: > My sys log for this is here: [1]https://qsl.net/n1ea/ > debianweeklybullseysnonfree20210809syslog While interesting, this is not what the wiki asks for information.

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 15 août 2021 07:03:51 -0400, a ecrit: > I have the log files of unsuccessful installation of my Bullseye AMD64 RC > Netinstall CD here: > > [1]http://qsl.net/n1ea/bullseyerc3netinstall.tar.gz This is telling me 404. > Thanks to Jude for replying to my previous posts,

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jude DaShiell, le dim. 15 août 2021 12:01:44 -0400, a ecrit: > The first thing that needs to be done for the wi-fi users is to make an > experimental installer and keep it in-house. Find out if ifup or other > utilities can bring up wi-fi after first boot. wi-fi questions should really be

d-i & sound boards that need firmwares: errata?

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, As reported by a few users, some sound boards nowadays need firmwares to be able to emit sound. So it's the same situation as the amdgpu etc. video cards. Except that the BIOS doesn't provide a fallback interface that espeakup would be able to use, so we need to load the firmware before

Re: Debian 11 formally debuts and hits the Bullseye • The Register

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 15 août 2021 22:07:03 -0400, a ecrit: > A good improvement would be to configure the screen using the large > VGA fonts by selection in the installer. There is already an "Accessible dark contrast installer menu" boot option, that provides larger fonts. Also, in the

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Pawel L.wrote: > The Speakup volume is extremely low during the installation process. Did you take a look at the documentation for accessibility support in the installer? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s02.en.html#idm1260 It notably says “The default volume should be

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

2021-08-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Giving a general answer first. First, only reported issues can be fixed. Then, when an issue is reported very late in the release process it's really difficult to fix it, or stop the release because of it. We cannot halt the world just because on some hardware there are driver issues.

Re: editing files using VIM on remote server

2021-08-17 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, adilhusain shaikh wrote: > The issue is when I press down arrow the cursor goes to next line,. But the > screen reader still reads out the last line. That's a common issue with vim. Run :set noruler and that "last-line output" will disappear. You can put set noruler in your .vimrc

Re: Latest Debian Stable 32 bit with non free firmware

2021-08-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jim Green, le ven. 06 août 2021 11:14:16 -0400, a ecrit: > It came up asking for user name and password. Ok, so you did get at least some speech so there is no sound driver/firmware issue here. > I guess it took it, but I was lost there. Never > used a GUI before. Ok, that might be why. The

Re: Latest Debian Stable 32 bit with non free firmware

2021-08-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, wrote: > The image came from [1]https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/ > images-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-10.10.0-i386-netinst.iso > > I had problems with the release candidates before and thought the final > release > would be better. 10.10 is

Re: Latest Debian Stable 32 bit with non free firmware

2021-08-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, D.J.J. Ring, wrote: > Doesn't speak when booted! > > Latest Debian Stable 32 bit with non free firmware after installation does not > speak. It just does speak for me. Just to make sure: where did you get your image from? I used

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 3 release

2021-08-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Cyril Brulebois, le lun. 02 août 2021 11:59:51 +0200, a ecrit: > The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the third > release candidate of the installer for Debian 11 "Bullseye". Now is the last opportunity to make some tests before the release which is planned to happen around

Re: Validez votre adresse e-mail: [debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org]

2021-05-29 Thread Samuel Thibault
This is just spam, of course, don't do anything about this Samuel Webmail ServerHost, le sam. 29 mai 2021 09:07:31 -0700, a ecrit: > Attention: Re: E-mail de mise à jour pour > debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > > Veuillez noter que nous validons tous les comptes de messagerie actifs pour

Re: Bug#987587: libpango1.0-udeb: hangs the installer in various situations

2021-05-17 Thread Samuel Thibault
Cyril Brulebois, le lun. 17 mai 2021 18:12:35 +0200, a ecrit: > Additionally, even with all 3 cdebconf-gtk-* packages converted, we > still get libgtk2.0-0-udeb pulled into a netboot-gtk build, because this > package pulls it: > > build/pkg-lists/gtk-common:libgail18-udeb > > Adding

Bug#988433: alsa-utils initialization script not effective any more since move to systemd

2021-05-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Package: alsa-utils Version: 1.2.4-1 Severity: important Tags: a11y Hello, Since the move to systemd, the alsa-utils init script is not getting started at all any more. This broke setting the initial volumes of sound cards to hearable values, which was essential for speech accessibility of a

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Christian Schoepplein, le mer. 12 mai 2021 13:17:31 +0200, a ecrit: > Am 12.05.2021 um 12:10 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > > Sure, the file is just recording the level that you are getting by > > default from the sound card driver. > > OK. but why did I not have this volume pro

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le mer. 12 mai 2021 17:45:37 -0500, a ecrit: > if I selected gnome does speech also get enabled Yes, but by default gnome uses wayland, in which Orca doesn't really work. > and what if you select both gnome and mate? Both would get installed. I don't know which would would get

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jude DaShiell, le mer. 12 mai 2021 18:35:07 -0400, a ecrit: > Okay, Now I got the correct iso installed everything works and speech > comes on with an entirely acceptable volume level. Ok sot the fix works for you, thanks for confirming! Samuel

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jude DaShiell, le mer. 12 mai 2021 14:25:22 -0400, a ecrit: > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.9.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-10.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso That is buster, not bullseye rc1, so it does not contain the fix mentioned in the thread. Please

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jude DaShiell, le mer. 12 mai 2021 11:18:59 -0400, a ecrit: > The firmware version had no accessibility after install That's not expected. Which URL did you use exactly? > When this thread came up, I got curious so decided to check this out. Thanks! The more testing we have, the least bugs

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Christian Schoepplein, le mer. 12 mai 2021 12:03:59 +0200, a ecrit: > Am 12.05.2021 um 10:36 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > > > > Mmm, were you actually using speech synthesis during the installer? We > > copy over the audio parameters only if speech was used. > > I

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
Christian Schoepplein, le mer. 12 mai 2021 10:28:50 +0200, a ecrit: > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:41:15PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > >Christian Schoepplein, le mar. 11 mai 2021 18:12:50 +0200, a ecrit: > >> the file /var/lib/alsa/asound.state is not pres

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Christian Schoepplein, le mar. 11 mai 2021 18:12:50 +0200, a ecrit: > the file /var/lib/alsa/asound.state is not present directly after the > installation :-( At least that explains why the fix is not getting effect in your case. We now need to determine why the fix is not triggering. There is

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Christian Schoepplein, le mar. 11 mai 2021 18:12:50 +0200, a ecrit: > the file /var/lib/alsa/asound.state is not present directly after the > installatio :-( : Is it really the rc1 image that you are testing? Which URL did you use to download it? (details always matter) Samuel

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Christian Schoepplein, le sam. 08 mai 2021 15:03:54 +0200, a ecrit: > Hi Samuel, > > On Sat, May 08, 2021 at 11:40:49AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > >Christian Schoepplein, le ven. 07 mai 2021 22:20:32 +0200, a ecrit: > >> > Am 23.04.2021 um 10:50 schrieb Samuel Th

Fwd: Problems when using brltty in the terminal

2021-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
- Forwarded message from Samuel Thibault - From: Samuel Thibault To: Christian Schoepplein , brl...@brltty.app Subject: Re: Problems when using brltty in the terminal Cc: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Hello, Adding brl...@brltty.app since it's really not just a Debian issue

Re: Problems when using brltty in the terminal

2021-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Sebastian Humenda, le sam. 08 mai 2021 16:50:56 +0200, a ecrit: > Why is this a problem? Ora has in > non-terminal windows a priority and will outrule BRLTTY on the at-spi bus. Not on the at-spi bus, but on the brlapi server. Here his problem is with speech, for which there is no notion of

Re: Problems when using brltty in the terminal

2021-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Adding brl...@brltty.app since it's really not just a Debian issue. Christian Schoepplein, le sam. 08 mai 2021 16:20:35 +0200, a ecrit: > 2. Enabled speech-dispatcher support in /etc/brltty.conf. > 3. Edited the file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xbrlapi and removed the "-s no" > parameter for

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Christian Schoepplein, le ven. 07 mai 2021 22:20:32 +0200, a ecrit: > > Am 23.04.2021 um 10:50 schrieb Samuel Thibault : > >> * espeakup: > >>- Carry over the alsa mixer levels into the installed system. > > I’ve installed two Bullseye systems with

Re: MATE Terminal Emulator Accessibility: it won't let users scroll upwards to review

2021-04-25 Thread Samuel Thibault
Sebastian Humenda, le dim. 25 avril 2021 12:57:29 +0200, a ecrit: > Samuel Thibault schrieb am 24.04.2021, 23:59 +0200: > >D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 21 avril 2021 02:25:24 -0400, a ecrit: > >> Unless there is a way to make MATE Terminal Emulator more accessible, but

Re: MATE Terminal Emulator Accessibility: it won't let users scroll upwards to review

2021-04-25 Thread Samuel Thibault
Sebastian Humenda, le dim. 25 avril 2021 12:13:32 +0200, a ecrit: > Hi Samuel > > Samuel Thibault schrieb am 25.04.2021, 11:00 +0200: > >Didier Spaier, le dim. 25 avril 2021 10:53:19 +0200, a ecrit: > >> Le 25/04/2021 à 10:38, Sebastian Humenda a écrit : > >>

Re: MATE Terminal Emulator Accessibility: it won't let users scroll upwards to review

2021-04-25 Thread Samuel Thibault
Didier Spaier, le dim. 25 avril 2021 10:53:19 +0200, a ecrit: > Le 25/04/2021 à 10:38, Sebastian Humenda a écrit : > > Is there a way to silence Orca to prevent "double" screen reading? > > I'd try this: in the Orca preferences GUI, tab Speech, uncheck "enable > Speech" Yes, but with the

Re: MATE Terminal Emulator Accessibility: it won't let users scroll upwards to review

2021-04-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 21 avril 2021 02:25:24 -0400, a ecrit: > Unless there is a way to make MATE Terminal Emulator more accessible, but I > don't think there is. With Braille is, you can use brltty to access it, by running: brltty -b ba -x as Samuel

Re: Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

2021-04-23 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Cyril Brulebois, le ven. 23 avril 2021 07:21:43 +0200, a ecrit: > The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the first > release candidate of the installer for Debian 11 "Bullseye". And notably for this list: > * brltty: > - Updated to version 6.3 > - Update udev rules.

Re: Existence of accessibility standards??????????

2021-04-21 Thread Samuel Thibault
Richard Owlett, le mer. 21 avril 2021 16:14:58 -0500, a ecrit: > Do _verifiable_ "accessibility standards" exist? There are automatic tests, but they are never enough, you always need an end-user test as well. > I wish to ask a publicly funded service some ATYPICAL questions. > When I submit

Bug#987171: ITP: libdumbtts -- Helper library for dumb speech synthesizers

2021-04-18 Thread Samuel Thibault
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Samuel Thibault X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-de...@lists.debian.org, debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org * Package name: libdumbtts Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Bohdan R. Rau * URL : http://www.polip.com/files/ * License

Re: issue with configuring a debian installation with debconf set to low priority both at the beginning and after the base system is installed

2021-04-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le mar. 06 avril 2021 16:22:27 -0500, a ecrit: > How would I be able to submit further information on how to get the > proper information to someone so it could be looked into and get > fixed? You can report a bug against the debian-installer package. Sending what you sent in your

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le mar. 06 avril 2021 14:35:44 -0500, a ecrit: > I heard espeakup start talking but then it was cut off by > orca.  Is this something that is normal or could the fixes in espeakup have > fixed the orca volume settings? It could be it indeed... Which would make the bug reported to

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-04 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le dim. 04 avril 2021 15:41:51 -0500, a ecrit: > Hi, With the mini iso file you had me test what build target did you use > once the latest espeakup udeb was in the repository make build_netboot-gtk the result is then in dest/netboot/gtk/mini.iso > if I was interested in building

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-04 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le dim. 04 avril 2021 06:10:23 -0500, a ecrit: > One thing that was not carried across is > during the installation for testing I did set the volume using the speakup > shortcut keys to 9 and found that the volume was still at I think the > default was 5. Yes, that part is a bit

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-04 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le sam. 03 avril 2021 22:38:58 -0500, a ecrit: > That installation without a graphical desktop came up to the text login > screen talking with espeakup running. So you mean that you didn't get the volume issue, while in the same conditions but with the non-patched image, you would

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le dim. 04 avril 2021 02:42:54 +0200, a ecrit: > Mmm. Possibly we could use amixer and write that to some place where > alsa-utils can re-read it. Could you try the image on https://people.debian.org/~sthibault/tmp/mini.iso Samuel

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le sam. 03 avril 2021 19:15:45 -0500, a ecrit: > Would adding more values require editing the speakup source > code directly or could this be added in espeakup? Both would need to be modified. > Is there no way for the installer to detect what the espeakup volume > number is at

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le sam. 03 avril 2021 19:21:12 -0500, a ecrit: > I like the alsa way to control what the maximum volume is for the > entire system and then allow applications to have their own volume > controls so you can have different volume settings for speech and > music. That would still

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le sam. 03 avril 2021 17:54:32 -0500, a ecrit: > Are you asking if there should be more numbers between 0 and 9 That's another way of asking the question yes. Samuel

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le dim. 04 avril 2021 00:46:44 +0200, a ecrit: > if I do that [...], speakup's shortcuts for volume will be the only > way to change the volume. And speakup's volume granularity is not very fine-grain, so that's my concern and the question I ask: the granularity of the

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le sam. 03 avril 2021 17:42:48 -0500, a ecrit: > So you are saying that when espeakup controls the speech alsa mixers > can not be used anymore Yes. More precisely, I mean that currently espeakup doesn't fully control the volume. I can make espeakup thoroughly control the volume,

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le sam. 03 avril 2021 16:39:50 -0500, a ecrit: > if the volume by default is set very low then the speakup > shortcuts have no use. That's exactly my point: I can make the speakup shortcut be able to just raise the volume to the maximum that the hardware supports. But then « you

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le sam. 03 avril 2021 16:24:02 -0500, a ecrit: > Why not just copy the installation volume settings over to the > installed system as this is what users would think would happen? See my previous mail: once you make espeakup control the card volume, you cannot tune it with a mixer

Re: Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-04-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
john doe, le dim. 28 mars 2021 09:07:41 +0200, a ecrit: > It is always easier to lower down the volume than to increase it. [...] > If you require privacy during or after first boot, using headphone is > advised. But if we set the maximum volume, we might be just breaking the user's ears, which

Debian installer arguments

2021-03-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Please do not just reply to an existing mail for a new topic, that prevents people from catching up with new questions. Ahmed Hassan, le mer. 31 mars 2021 16:01:38 +0100, a ecrit: > so I was successfully able to get brltty to connect to my orbit reader 20.  > I discovered this script:  >

Re: Unable to get sound to work in the installer as well as a live environment

2021-03-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le mar. 30 mars 2021 16:45:13 +0200, a ecrit: > Ahmed Hassan, le mar. 30 mars 2021 12:59:47 +0100, a ecrit: > > >Does dmesg show that the kernel complains about a missing firmware? > > >Perhaps you need to install firmware-intel-sound? > > I am unsure h

Re: Switching off monitor

2021-03-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Sebastian Humenda, le mer. 31 mars 2021 21:12:57 +0200, a ecrit: > Samuel Thibault schrieb am 31.03.2021, 20:43 +0200: > >Samuel Thibault, le mer. 31 mars 2021 20:39:36 +0200, a ecrit: > >> Sebastian Humenda, le mer. 31 mars 2021 20:34:44 +0200, a ecrit: > >> > I

Re: Switching off monitor

2021-03-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le mer. 31 mars 2021 20:39:36 +0200, a ecrit: > Sebastian Humenda, le mer. 31 mars 2021 20:34:44 +0200, a ecrit: > > I'm working on the console (TTY) and am using Tmux, hence neither xset nor > > setterm work for me. > > You can probably use > > s

Re: Switching off monitor

2021-03-31 Thread Samuel Thibault
Sebastian Humenda, le mer. 31 mars 2021 20:34:44 +0200, a ecrit: > I'm working on the console (TTY) and am using Tmux, hence neither xset nor > setterm work for me. You can probably use sudo bash -c "setterm -blank < /dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1" Samuel

Re: Unable to get sound to work in the installer as well as a live environment

2021-03-30 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ahmed Hassan, le mar. 30 mars 2021 12:59:47 +0100, a ecrit: > > >Does dmesg show that the kernel complains about a missing firmware? > >Perhaps you need to install firmware-intel-sound? > I am unsure how to check this. Send us the output of the dmesg command, and the output of

Re: Unable to get sound to work in the installer as well as a live environment

2021-03-29 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Ahmed Hassan, le lun. 29 mars 2021 16:07:00 +0100, a ecrit: > After installing this, I proceed into the live environment. pressing "alt + > super(windows) + s" doesn't yield any results, but when opening terminal, and > typing "orca -s", the orca setup screen appears, but there is no

Volume control on debian system? (Was: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation)

2021-03-27 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Nick Gawronski, le mer. 24 mars 2021 20:57:57 -0500, a ecrit: > Hi, Yes now that both volumes are at %100 the speakup volume controls work > as normal.  Should not the master and PCM be set to %100 by default after a > new installation? Not necessarily 100%, because that might be way too

Re: Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst

2021-03-27 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ahmed Hassan, le sam. 27 mars 2021 16:32:34 +, a ecrit: > Sorry to chime in here, but do any of  The CDs use BRLTTY 6.3. All bullseye images use brltty 6.3. > Also another thing which has been on my mind, why can't orca be integrated > into > the debian installer (obviously not for the

Re: Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst

2021-03-27 Thread Samuel Thibault
tyre, le mar. 26 juin 2012 17:28:35 +0100, a ecrit: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:20:57PM -0300, Samuel Thibault wrote: > >Steve McIntyre, le Tue 26 Jun 2012 15:51:20 +0100, a écrit : > >> Looking at this, it adds another ~20MB: > >> ... > >> CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL i

Re: No BRLTTY with Bulseeye RC3

2021-03-25 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le jeu. 25 mars 2021 22:45:19 +0100, a ecrit: > Alas, bootloaders don't have braille drivers, and probably won't in > medium term, so yes at that step you have to type return. Note that you > don't actually need to select the textual install, even graphical > install

Re: No BRLTTY with Bulseeye RC3

2021-03-25 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Sebastian Humenda, le jeu. 25 mars 2021 22:16:07 +0100, a ecrit: > 3. The braille display was not delected after 20 seconds, so I pressed down > and return to select the textual install. Alas, bootloaders don't have braille drivers, and probably won't in medium term, so yes at that

Re: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation

2021-03-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le mer. 24 mars 2021 19:06:26 -0500, a ecrit: > Hi, Setting it to %100 worked but the volume is still lower on the system Try to also call amixer -c 0 set Master 100% to also set the master volume in addition to PCM. > Why is this as using the speakup volume keys did not make

Re: Bug#985666: alsa-utils: no sound after installation

2021-03-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
Nick Gawronski, le mer. 24 mars 2021 16:55:53 -0500, a ecrit: > [?2004hroot@debian642:~# ps axf Ok, no desktop and thus no pulseaudio in the way. > [?2004hroot@debian642:~# amixer -c 0 scontents > [?2004l > Simple mixer control 'Master',0 >   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined >  

Re: dos emulators bug

2021-03-24 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Jude DaShiell, le mar. 23 mars 2021 22:09:51 -0400, a ecrit: > Why do dosemu and dosbox packages both fail on startup with mouse errors and > dosemu complains about sdl? Better ask dosemu people. Samuel

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