Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
necessary.
The day Debian starts to randomize menu items I am going to stop using
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Mario Lang ml...@delysid.org writes:
Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
necessary.
The day Debian starts to randomize menu items I am
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:55:16 -0300
Undefined User unknowuse...@gmail.com wrote:
Perfect solution.
Debian installer should provide you information about desktop environments
and let the user choose it.
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On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 12:56 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Ghislain Vaillant writes (Re: Debian default desktop environment):
Users do care about visual identity (or call it brand
recognition if you like), and currently XFCE in Debian does not have
any, I am afraid.
My experiences with less
On 2014-04-07 12:00:20 +0200 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Gergely Nagy (2014-04-07 11:10:27)
Can we have ratpoison + selected things as default DE for Debian Zurg?
Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?
First, create a metapackage, and maintain it.
Then when getting
Just tossing my experience and personal opinion as a Linux user.
On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 14:40 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
previously on this list Bálint Réczey contributed:
Xfce is friendly enough, but it feels old compared to Gnome 3 and I
would like to attract new users before convincing
Ghislain Vaillant writes (Re: Debian default desktop environment):
Users do care about visual identity (or call it brand
recognition if you like), and currently XFCE in Debian does not have
any, I am afraid.
My experiences with less-sophisticated users are the opposite. They
don't give
On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 23:10:13 -0300
converge conve...@jplab.com.br wrote:
The point is: is all this effort pointing to the future of linux
desktop, or is it just some workaround to try to make users a bit happy
for now ?
The truth is that linux still doesn't have a competidor for windows
2014-04-09 13:32 GMT-03:00 Sven Bartscher
sven.bartsc...@weltraumschlangen.de:
On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 23:10:13 -0300
converge conve...@jplab.com.br wrote:
The point is: is all this effort pointing to the future of linux
desktop, or is it just some workaround to try to make users a bit happy
William Ivanski dijo [Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 02:57:14PM -0300]:
(...)
My father doesn't have experience with computers, he only use it for Office
and Internet. I suggested him to switch to Linux and he agreed. So I wiped
out Windows from his computer and put Debian Wheezy with KDE. He started
On Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:04:09 -0500
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote:
Each of us will have different anecdotary evidence pushing the opinion
one way or the other. We cannot please everyody with a single DE, and
that's (part of) the reason there are so many. I can speak you of the
users I
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:50:11AM +0100, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:
IMHO, GNOME 3 in *classic mode* get it right. I use it daily and only
got positive comments from other Linux and non-Linux users. FYI, the DE
popularity in my lab is split between Unity (ahead by far), GNOME and
KDE. None of
On 2014-04-05, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Especially one as minor as the installation CD which has no actual
conceivable use today.
At least I don't think that anything 86xish that can't boot from a usb
stick is wihtin what we should target as 'default experience'.
Maybe even
Hi,
Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote:
+++ Kevin Chadwick [2014-08-27 20:55 +0100]:
It also supports focus follows mouse, no raise on click
I had forgotten, but this was the 'killer feature' that originally
switched me to XFCE, and to a significant degree keeps me there. So
far as I know
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 05:24:09PM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
My mother is using Debian 6 with Gnome 2. I don’t know if I will ever
update this system. Gnome 3 is not a solution, and I’m not interested in
teaching XFCE.
Shade and sweet water!
Stephan
There is mate-desktop
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 11:55:02PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
+++ Kevin Chadwick [2014-08-27 20:55 +0100]:
It also supports focus follows mouse, no raise on click
I had forgotten, but this was the 'killer feature' that originally
switched me to XFCE, and to a significant degree keeps me there.
Le lundi 07 avril 2014 à 23:55 +0100, Wookey a écrit :
+++ Kevin Chadwick [2014-08-27 20:55 +0100]:
It also supports focus follows mouse, no raise on click
I had forgotten, but this was the 'killer feature' that originally
switched me to XFCE, and to a significant degree keeps me there.
On 04/08/2014 02:36 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
No need to be rude about that, ok?
I've re-read my posts about a dozen time, and I fail to see which part
you thought was rude.
Thomas
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2014-04-03 23:18 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:16:15 Undefined User wrote:
The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default
desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of course,
it all depends on where the
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 11:53:21AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 07 avril 2014 à 23:55 +0100, Wookey a écrit :
+++ Kevin Chadwick [2014-08-27 20:55 +0100]:
It also supports focus follows mouse, no raise on click
I had forgotten, but this was the 'killer feature' that
On 04/08/2014 01:51 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
And, of course, non-free software from top to bottom.
Not the case of Supermicro: free software, in outdated (and unsafe)
versions, from top to bottom, and impossible for the customer to rebuild
anything.
I wonder if they will one day understand the
Quoting Bálint Réczey (2014-04-08 12:09:55)
2014-04-03 23:18 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:16:15 Undefined User wrote:
The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default
desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of
previously on this list people contributed:
but that doesn't change the fact that ffm with autoraise
works in gnome3.
GNOME 3 is based on Mutter which has, AFAICT, all features Metacity
(GNOME 2) used to provide. The focus settings are not shown in the
control center, but you can use
previously on this list Bálint Réczey contributed:
Xfce is friendly enough, but it feels old compared to Gnome 3 and I
would like to attract new users before convincing them. It is much
easier than in the opposite order. :-)
I think you are reflecting a subset of users priorities. I've
On 28.08.2014 15:40, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
what they hate is
a) things moving too much that they can't find
b) not being able to do what they want or things disappearing
c) things they are not used to (like different usage concepts)
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And without a kvm, I'd have to run to the server room each time the
hardware crashes hard or similar problems.
Or you could just have a serial console and a networked power switch.
Those can at least be replaced when they are compromised, unlike many
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If only focus-follows-mouse in GNOME didn't have so much latency...
I suspect you might be victim of focus-change-on-pointer-rest being true
by default.
gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides focus-change-on-pointer-rest false
fixes this. At least I don't have any latency on
On 28/08/2014 15:39, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
I am talking about focus follows mouse but raise only on clicking say
the border or bar, you can still enter text into any layered windows
that have focus. So you can quickly switch for entry to or from web
pages on one screen or read a web page in
previously on this list Jean-Christophe Dubacq contributed:
I am talking about focus follows mouse but raise only on clicking say
the border or bar, you can still enter text into any layered windows
that have focus. So you can quickly switch for entry to or from web
pages on one screen or
Kevin Chadwick dijo [Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 02:40:39PM +0100]:
I think you are reflecting a subset of users priorities. I've switched
users from desktop to desktop and they don't care a jot about
flashiness in fact many like simple but pretty which is perfectly
do-able with almost any window
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 12:46:59PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Hear, hear.
Remember all the hype that arose when Beryl was announced, with
per-window transparency settings, the rotating cube, wobbly windows,
and all that. It was flashy, and I do think it made some heads turn to
Linux,
On 08/04/2014 20:35, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
Remember all the hype that arose when Beryl was announced, with
per-window transparency settings, the rotating cube, wobbly windows,
and all that. It was flashy, and I do think it made some heads turn to
Linux, previously perceived as plainly fugly.
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 07:24:47AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2014-04-05, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Especially one as minor as the installation CD which has no actual
conceivable use today.
At least I don't think that anything 86xish that can't boot from a usb
stick is
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 01:21:01PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I am a techie user using Awesome, so my judgement is flawed too. As is
most of us in this discussion, I suspect.
Recently a [Debian design team] was initiated, and work is ongoing to
make a Debian Blend for designers. I am
The point is: is all this effort pointing to the future of linux
desktop, or is it just some workaround to try to make users a bit happy
for now ?
The truth is that linux still doesn't have a competidor for windows and
mac window manager and we should care about it.
Em 28/08/14 14:09, Kevin
This only provides mirroring, but that's what
people usually want.
No, that's not.
Multi-screen desktop setups aren't that uncommon, and even for presentations
open office can offer a nice screen with timing and notes on the laptop while
showing just the slides on the projector.
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Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
because it is completely awesome.
Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default because then we
don't have all sorts of weird wishes
Quoting Gergely Nagy (2014-04-07 11:10:27)
Can we have ratpoison + selected things as default DE for Debian Zurg?
Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?
First, create a metapackage, and maintain it.
Then when getting popular, file bugreport against tasksel to have it
included as
My mother is using Debian 6 with Gnome 2. I don’t know if I will ever
update this system. Gnome 3 is not a solution, and I’m not interested in
teaching XFCE.
Shade and sweet water!
Stephan
There is mate-desktop - http://mate-desktop.org/.
and it is partially in Debian as far as I see.
Iain R. Learmonth dijo [Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 09:47:58AM +0100]:
So, I suggest we ship a desktop consisting of:
(... minimalist and console-based stuff ...)
Whilst that is basically my setup, it is definitely not an intuitive one
to use.
For power users, it likely is better than
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 10:59:39AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Iain R. Learmonth dijo [Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 09:47:58AM +0100]:
So, I suggest we ship a desktop consisting of:
(... minimalist and console-based stuff ...)
If someone wanted to put together a meta-package and some scripts
On 04/06/2014 05:06 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
Personally, I think we should offer a DVD instead of a CD as
primary installation medium.
For a desktop use, probably. For server setup, please don't. The CD1 is
better than the netinst CD because... it doesn't need network! And I
prefer a smaller
On 04/07/2014 07:26 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
For a desktop use, probably. For server setup, please don't. The CD1 is
better than the netinst CD because... it doesn't need network!
You deploy your servers from a CD? Don't get me wrong, but installing
from CD in an enterprise environment doesn't
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
We use FAI for that. 99% of our servers don't even have a CD drive
anymore, just some of the older ones. And even if you want to install
from CD, most modern servers provide a BMC with keyboard, mouse and
video redirect over the
On 04/07/2014 07:39 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Ah, BMC. Now every computer comes with an extra full-fledged computer!
The main computer is for your use, and the other computer is for the use
of the attacker.
That's why we block the kvms in our firewall so they cannot be reached
from outside.
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
On 04/07/2014 07:39 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Ah, BMC. Now every computer comes with an extra full-fledged computer!
The main computer is for your use, and the other computer is for the
use of the attacker.
That's why we block
On 04/08/2014 01:34 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 04/07/2014 07:26 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
For a desktop use, probably. For server setup, please don't. The CD1 is
better than the netinst CD because... it doesn't need network!
You deploy your servers from a CD? Don't get me wrong,
On 04/07/2014 08:24 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
That's what I'm using yes. Probably you should have read my message up
to its end, where I wrote: I'm also unsure all my KVM over IPs support
images for DVDs rather than simply CD.
No need to be rude about that, ok? I missed that part. Jeez.
In
previously on this list Iain R. Learmonth contributed:
The problem of integration is present, but now that I think about it, is
likely more of an upstream problem than a packaging problem. I guess as
more and more things use dbus, integration will become easier.
Perhaps but integration and
previously on this list Wookey contributed:
but I just wanted to repoy to correct the
apparent misapprehension that XFCE doesn't do user-friendly monitor out
of the box.
It is hardly a showstopper either and I expect xfce-4.10 does and as
there has been a long time of testing before 4.10 was
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 20:55 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Please fix your clock.
Regards,
Adam
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No need to be rude about that, ok?
“Oho!” said the pot to the kettle;
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* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de, 2014-04-07,
20:36:
No need to be rude about that, ok?
“Oho!” said the pot to the kettle;
“You are dirty and ugly and black!”
I wasn't rude in my previous mail, if yes, quote please.
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On 04/07/2014 08:24 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
That's what I'm using yes. Probably you should have read my message
up to its end, where I wrote: I'm also unsure all my KVM over IPs
support images for DVDs rather than simply
On 04/07/2014 09:08 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
(Maybe it's just me but calling people “not very professional” is
something I consider very rude; not Thomas' mentioning the fact that
the original text had sufficient context in its single paragraph.)
Jeez, I said the method was not professional,
previously on this list Adam D. Barratt contributed:
Please fix your clock.
Have you considered relying on your own clock? I use mail receive
order. Do you not get spam annoyingly staying at the top of your box?
Sorry if your client does not allow that or doesn't support maildir but
this is
previously on this list Jakub Wilk contributed:
* Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org, 2014-04-04, 23:22:
- Media player: mplayer (on libcaca, of course)
With its 4 RC bugs, it doesn't look like mplayer is going to be part of
jessie.
I can't tell, is that sarcasm, I hope so as it is the only
On Mon, 2014-04-07 at 10:39 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
We use FAI for that. 99% of our servers don't even have a CD drive
anymore, just some of the older ones. And even if you want to install
from CD, most modern servers
Le mardi 08 avril 2014 à 01:26 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
For a desktop use, probably. For server setup, please don't. The CD1 is
better than the netinst CD because... it doesn't need network! And I
prefer a smaller thing. I'm also unsure all my KVM over IPs support
images for DVDs rather
previously on this list Philip Hands contributed:
As for my grumpy tone, I apologise for that -- it probably comes from
the several voluminous threads on debian-devel recently spouting drivel
about systemd which I may have unfairly associated with this thread.
If you think it's all drivel
+++ Kevin Chadwick [2014-08-27 20:55 +0100]:
It also supports focus follows mouse, no raise on click
I had forgotten, but this was the 'killer feature' that originally
switched me to XFCE, and to a significant degree keeps me there. So far
as I know gnome3, and unity don't support this (by
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:22 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
That ship sailed long ago. :-/
Some BMCs (like recent iDRAC) run Linux which means there may be some
opportunity for an outside project to modify and improve their security.
Do you have any references to this?
Are these iDRACs compliant
On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 09:23 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:22 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
That ship sailed long ago. :-/
Some BMCs (like recent iDRAC) run Linux which means there may be some
opportunity for an outside project to modify and improve their security.
Do
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 09:27:00PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
previously on this list Jakub Wilk contributed:
* Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org, 2014-04-04, 23:22:
- Media player: mplayer (on libcaca, of course)
With its 4 RC bugs, it doesn't look like mplayer is going to be part of
+++ Hashem Nasarat [2014-04-04 11:15 -0400]:
On 04/04/2014 10:36 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote:
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:13:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
and modern hardware.
This is no longer a requirement in jessie, at
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Goirand said:
Then, maybe a GR for deciding which DE should be the default could be
considered. It's not like the init system: I think every DD has enough
knowledge to decide, especially because this is a very subjective choice
with tastes and habits
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 12:55 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 04/04/2014 09:55 PM, Undefined User wrote:
2014-04-04 10:52 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org
mailto:j...@debian.org:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour
of *no*
* Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org, 2014-04-04, 23:22:
- Media player: mplayer (on libcaca, of course)
With its 4 RC bugs, it doesn't look like mplayer is going to be part of
jessie.
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On 05/04/14 06:22, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
So, I suggest we ship a desktop consisting of:
- Window manager: i3
- File browser: urxvt
- Photo viewer: caca-utils
- Web browser: lynx
- Mail client: mutt
- Instant messenger: irssi
- Productivity suite: emacs
- Music app: supercollider
- Media
JM == Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
JM This is mostly irrelevant. The resources consumed by the desktop
JM are negligible compared to applications. As soon as you start a
JM browser with a few tabs on non-trivial websites, 1 GiB of memory
JM is barely enough.
Le samedi 05 avril 2014 à 11:50 +0200, Milan Zamazal a écrit :
FYI, Xfce + Firefox runs fine on a 10 years old computer with 256 MB
RAM for all practical needs of the user.
Well, I guess our “practical needs” differ. Heavily.
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Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 23:52 +0100, Philip Hands a écrit :
Anyway, to return to the main point, I do wonder why nobody has bothered
to mention that the reason for the switch was that Gnome no longer fits
on CD#1.
The thing that I don’t understand is that someone made such a decision,
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 07:57:50PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Could you please sum up those discussions and explain what kind of
changes you would consider to be productive?
I can sum up the discussions that were had last time on debian-devel for
you, at least as I remember them.
* XFCE
2014-04-05 20:18 GMT+02:00 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net:
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 07:57:50PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Could you please sum up those discussions and explain what kind of
changes you would consider to be productive?
I can sum up the discussions that were
On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 18:18 +, brian m. carlson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 07:57:50PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Could you please sum up those discussions and explain what kind of
changes you would consider to be productive?
I can sum up the discussions that were had last time
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 11:32:07PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 18:18 +, brian m. carlson wrote:
[...]
* There were concerns about accessibility support, particularly for the
blind[2].
[...]
Which is unfortunately quite bad in most free graphical desktop
brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net (2014-04-05):
I just realized my statement was unclear. I believe some people had
stated that GNOME had regressed in accessibility support at the time,
and XFCE was a better choice in this regard. I can't say more because I
don't have enough
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:16:15 Undefined User wrote:
The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default
desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of course,
it all depends on where the
Well, it's almost impossible to avoid personal judgments on this matter.
This involves personal taste. But when talking about new users or
not-that-advanced users, I'm really suggesting Gnome 3 to be the choice
of the project.
I know that its size is bigger than Xfce and it takes more resources,
previously on this list Undefined User contributed:
It's not about Gnome, Xfce or whatever desktop environment being focused
only on touchscreen devices or identical to a mobile platform (that would
be terrible for everyone), but at least something that doesn't make people
think that Debian
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 10:03:46AM -0300, Undefined User wrote:
This involves personal taste. But when talking about new users or
not-that-advanced users, I'm really suggesting Gnome 3 to be the choice
of the project.
But what are your definitions of „new users”? Someone who has never used
[Please don't top post on this mailing list.]
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 10:03:46AM -0300, Undefined User wrote:
Well, it's almost impossible to avoid personal judgments on this matter.
This involves personal taste. But when talking about new users or
not-that-advanced users, I'm really
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
necessary.
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Perfect solution.
Debian installer should provide you information about desktop environments
and let the user choose it.
2014-04-04 10:52 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of
*no*
default. You must pick one from
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Sorry for not deleting the reply text over my last e-mail.
Actually, for all that top-posting is a sin, failing to quote at all
when replying is AFAIK generally considered even worse...
(Depending on
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
As far as I understand Gnome3 needs more resources than XFCE
This is mostly irrelevant. The resources consumed by the desktop are
negligible compared to applications. As soon as you start a browser with
a few tabs on non-trivial
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:13:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
and modern hardware.
This is no longer a requirement in jessie, at least on x86 where
llvmpipe is now accepted as a GL engine.
Ah, thank you.
The default
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 02:52:41PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
necessary.
And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
2014-04-04 11:42 GMT-03:00 Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org:
And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
choosing among names that are absolutely obscure to him like GNOME,
Xfce, and KDE?
Not giving the user a taste of the options, well... Yes, I agree, it's
pretty
2014-04-04 11:04 GMT-03:00 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm:
Actually, for all that top-posting is a sin, failing to quote at all
when replying is AFAIK generally considered even worse...
(Depending on context, of course; in a Web forum where the message being
replied to is probably still
On 2014-04-03, Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org wrote:
As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget to choose DE in instal=
ler=20
Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
because it is completely awesome.
Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default
On 04/04/2014 10:36 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote:
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:13:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
and modern hardware.
This is no longer a requirement in jessie, at least on x86 where
llvmpipe is now accepted as a
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:42:19PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
choosing among names that are absolutely obscure to him like GNOME,
Xfce, and KDE?
No, just say pick a random one. Surely they'll all be entirely appropriate
On 04.04.2014 17:15, Hashem Nasarat wrote:
On the other hand, experienced users are familiar enough to install
whichever environment they wish. Perhaps a compromise is to have GNOME
the default and then XFCE as a bare-bones GUI or something.
Why then install an alternative at all. Experienced
previously on this list people contributed:
Why then install an alternative at all. Experienced users install what
they want anyways. The DEs working best for unexperienced users would
be the DEs that do much work themselves,
Xfce allows more options and choice by default on a cd and
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
because it is completely awesome.
Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default because then we
don't have all sorts of weird wishes about oh noes. networkmanager or
Please
Is it a bad idea in the end not to include a desktop at all,
and the user can install one at their own discretion?
On 4/4/2014 8:55 AM, Undefined User wrote:
Perfect solution.
Debian installer should provide you information about desktop
environments and let the user choose it.
2014-04-04
2014-04-04 14:46 GMT-03:00 Amy Rice pill.dic...@aol.co.uk:
Is it a bad idea in the end not to include a desktop at all,
and the user can install one at their own discretion?
The Debian Installer lets you choose if you want to install a desktop
environment or not. By default it comes checked
Hi,
On Freitag, 4. April 2014, Russ Allbery wrote:
We should change the default desktop environment with each release so that
each maintenance team gets to share in the fun! It's like a giant hazing
ritual. :)
wow, the quality of debian-devel has really degraded. Russ starts trolling...
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