references to Liberation and
Red Hat.
This makes updates almost impossible.
This is not the only case of software in Debian under trademarked names that
require a name change on modification.
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inconsistent with how the ftpmasters operate, that's an abuse of
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Tough cookies, you should've thought of that 5 years ago before you spammed
a public mailing list with unsolicited copies of your resume.
We can't make spamming a capital crime, but at least it goes on your
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couldn't argue that distribution must be
translated as distribución o comunicación pública with reference to US
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Only if you were operating in a vacuum with no understanding of the
terminology, or how copyright operates. It's not possible for OpenVision to
deprive someone else of their copyright by including a statement in a
license for OpenVision's own work.
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relevant enough to even mention? So the copyright status of the model
itself is relevant to the distributability and freeness of the image.
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a license (which is in fact
what we do here) and classifying it as, e.g., free, free when applied
sanely, free only when this option is used, or non-free.
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the licensing of the Debian logos is being changed is
because the previous licensing made them unsuitable for use within the main
archive. This is generally acknowledged as a bug, but shipping the official
Debian logo within main is *also* a bug until the licensing is remedied.
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to give my (non-lawyerly) opinion on this, please provide a pointer to the
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Copyright: GPL is wrong. GPL is the license; the debian/copyright file
needs to list the copyright, which is a statement of the copyright *holder*
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that was better than cdrtools? Who decides what
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lives in a house on the beach. I'm a millionaire who
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the beach.
Drat, it didn't work. I guess repeating a thing doesn't make it true after
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someone overlooked something? Can someone please help me to confirm
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Is that correct?
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On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:50:21PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
Pepsico doesn't ask the Coca-Cola Company's permission to publish claims
that its sugar-water is better tasting than is Coca
Firefox is equivalent to
*referencing* a competitor's product by name in one's advertising? I don't
think I'm the one who is failing to understand trademark law here.
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I don't think making a calculated decision about the tradeoffs of disputing
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, annoying though it is.
Summary: we should spend our time encouraging VoIP solutions built around
open protocols and open standards, instead of engaging in legalistic wanking
for the privilege of distributing software prepared by our proprietary
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Hi Shane,
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 04:22:06PM +0200, Shane M. Coughlan wrote:
Steve Langasek wrote:
I agree that the GPLv3 is not compatible with the OpenSSL license, in the
sense that code licensed under the OpenSSL license cannot be included in a
GPLv3 work. However, the GPLv3 does
parts of the work; and
that would permit distributors to make an informed decision whether to
excise the GPLv2-only code in order to distribute binaries linked against
OpenSSL.
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the work in the Public Domain
because German law doesn't recognize the author's ability to *put* works in
the Public Domain.
It's still a contradiction though, as Bas says, and it would be ideal to
have this ambiguity cleared up.
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Steve Langasek wrote:
Francesco isn't giving advice to people in Italy, he's giving advice to
people on debian-legal as a whole. Given that unlicensed legal advice is a
criminal matter as Sean mentions, there is more
) lawyers gave their
clients, I can sue the program when it all goes wrong, because the word
Legal in the name gave me a reasonable expectation that they were
providing legal advice?
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that are subject to
third-party patents should not be. They are not legally distributable, or
they are a danger to our users (and therefore distributing them may be
contrary to the social contract), but these are factors *external* to the
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think it's free, I think it's a license that I'd be willing to consider for
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the related discriminatory patent license was granted, or the related
nasty arrangement was in place, prior to 28 March 2007. In those cases,
the work fails several DFSG
Um, no, it doesn't.
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On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 10:41:46PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 02:09:06AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
Why doesn't it matter? If I've been sued because of something I've actually
done that infringed the license, then surely the DFSG and Debian shouldn't
be concerned
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That in particular is something that you can't do without permission from
all of the copyright holders, AFAICS.
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On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:54:38PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 04:51:40AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 12:25:14PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Additionally, personally I don't think it's unreasonable for people to
say if you use my software
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:17:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 01:13:44AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
It is a freedom that I have by default; if I accept the CDDL I no longer
have that freedom[1]. [...]
[1] Technically, not the right to choose a venue
competent
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are non-free also hold the opinion that patent non-enforcement as a
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On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:01:24PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:42:24AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:49:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
If you're claiming you don't get to exercise your right to argue
about jurisdiction is equivalent
the licensee *hasn't* infringed the
license but the copyright holder files a lawsuit against them anyway out of
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Er, isn't that what AJ's closure message *is*?
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or someone in the n-m queue.
It's not like there aren't DDs who feel that it isn't DFSG free; Steve
Langasek and myself have consistently argued against it, and I doubt
we're the only two.
Yes, I think that licensor-oriented choice of venue clauses in free software
licenses are at best a bug
, things you don't
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On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 06:48:15PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 09:14:32AM -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:09:21PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
To have a trademark license, ion3 should be a trademark in the first
place
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:43:26PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2007-04-18 03:39:58, schrieb Steve Langasek:
Er, businesses selling t-shirts using the official debian logo is *not*
permitted. Currently, the manner in which this is being disallowed is
suboptimal, but it's still
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:02:11PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
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Further, it's up to *Debian* to decide what uses of the logo reflect badly
on it and consequently should be disallowed because we don't wish to be
associated with them. Your above
, whether for criticism or otherwise.
We just want to disallow actual infringement, not these other things.
I don't know who the we is on whose behalf you're speaking here.
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:26:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
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Hrm, there is a difference between *referencing* a trademark when
criticizing the holder, and *using* the mark, in trade, in a way that
reflects badly on Debian. [...]
Two data points
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 11:37:47AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Steve Langasek:
Please escalate this to the DPL and/or SPI. He certainly doesn't
have a
legal right to use that logo,
I agree with Steve that the Debian Official Use Logo
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 10:21:55AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Steve Langasek:
Please escalate this to the DPL and/or SPI. He certainly doesn't have a
legal right to use that logo,
Huh? It's about to be relicensed under the MIT license.
And enforced as a trademark, which he's
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or otherwise -- prevent some form
of copying and distributing, or they would simply be public domain).
Got a split personality thing going, there, or are you just naturally
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with the existing
widespread semantics
(Hmm, why does debian-legal have so many more active posters than any other
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in the GPL, so since the copyright
holder has not stated anywhere that this is intended as a license addendum,
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- we get legal advice to the effect that the trademark holder has a case
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don't see any indication that Sven is interested in understanding that POV,
only in tilting at strawmen; so I don't intend to lose any more time on
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in the bug reports
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On 8/30/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For all you've said up to this point, the sound files being used could be
in
the public domain; in which case the only controlling copyright is that
governing
were an ftpmaster I would find that claim insulting.
The only claim to expertise that debian-legal has is in the area of
analyzing license terms and how they stack up against the requirements of
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Oddly enough nobody has proposed a GR addressing this,
Because voting is an absurd means of settling questions of legal liability.
It's the domain of the ftp team to determine whether we can legally
distribute a package on our mirrors.
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On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:53:57PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:06:13 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote:
OTOH, if CC intends that this clause prevents ever making the Work
available on TPM-encumbered media (which I don't think is the
plain-text reading of this clause), I
enough to the FDL's anti-DRM clause for us to consider it
compatible with the DFSG?
I consider it compatible with the DFSG because it's sufficiently
*dissimilar* to the FDL's clause.
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be avavilable for free download, it would mean that something is
seriously, horribly, wrong. It would be a non-free requirement.
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On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 06:27:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060524 17:54]:
So I guess you can still criticize folks for this if you want to, but I know
that my own ongoing notion of best practices comes from stuff I learned
long ago plus new ideas
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:54:13PM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote:
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:27:41PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
complaining that no one shopped the license around to -legal before the
upload (which no one ever has an obligation to do) isn't...
The Debian developer reference
with the license that may have been overlooked is potentially helpful;
complaining that no one shopped the license around to -legal before the
upload (which no one ever has an obligation to do) isn't...
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Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 15:55 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
If you have a reason to believe that the ftpmasters have *misjudged* the
liability involved,
This is the whole point of the discussion.
Not that I can see
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:06:42AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le Lun 22 Mai 2006 00:55, Steve Langasek a écrit :
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:24:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 16:17 -0500, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
Good, but you shouldn't decide what
not be
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your *own* modifications. But you would first have to agree that the HTML
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, correct? Do we know of
*anyone* who's been CD'ed specifically for distributing a *subset* of the
code in these packages? If not, it sounds like the lack of enforcement is
pretty clear to me, do you disagree?
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Yeah, they're not exactly semantically identical, but a claim that there is
no inventive step depends on showing that there is prior art, and the ffii
page makes assertions about specific prior art in existence.
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their opinion that the
patents in question contain no substantive creative element, i.e., the
patents are invalidated by prior art in the field. Why do you draw the
opposite conclusion that it does not appear that significant prior art
exists, citing only the ffii.org page itself?
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It is therefore my conclusion that these libraries are not distributable
by Debian. Subject to confirmation of this conclusion, the libraries
must be removed from the archive.
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categorization are necessary here. GPL requires the preferred form for
modification, which for most people working on derivative works would
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On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:46:18PM -0700, Walter Landry wrote:
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On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:35:51AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote:
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I have verfified that the actual sources for the generated HTML are
Microsoft Word documents
+ exceptions, not GPL with modifications.
It is always GPL-compatible to grant additional permissions.
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* Steve Langasek:
The mentioned FLOSS exception allowes the MySQL library which was
put unter GPL and not LGPL to be linked with various free software
licences.
The license used for MySQL is GPL + exceptions, not GPL
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non-creative parts (i.e.,
comments stripped, normalized case, sorted), I'm not sure copyright would
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else in any venue. You could be
just as easily sued by someone in London as in Santa Clara - why does this
clause add a specific burden?
This is a tired old argument. Educate yourself with the debian-legal
archives if you care. Or look up the term personal jurisdiction.
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but in the meantime, I think this bug should be kept on the radar.
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