hard time enforcing
it in court.
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further.
More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but
chooses not to do so.
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More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but
chooses not to do so.
If a work is GPLed and we do not have the complete source for the
work, we cannot distribute it under the GPL
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
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Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote:
More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but
chooses not to do so.
If a work is GPLed and we do
to
distribute modified versions. It is fairly obvious from the remainder
of the license that such permission was intended, but it should still
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This one time, at band camp, Måns Rullgård said:
There is one thing about that license that strikes me as slightly odd.
Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any purpose,
including commercial applications, and to alter
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There is one thing about that license that strikes me as slightly odd.
Permission is granted to anyone
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are to be
computed from input data. I have no idea whether any patents are
applicable to the FFmpeg H.261 encoder, but I wouldn't discount the
possibility without a thorough examination.
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Dear all,
I hope this is the right list to discuss GPL related issues. (Or where
would be a better place to get help with the following question?)
Your question doesn't relate to Debian, so
: IANAL, TINLA.
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Monkey's Audio Source Code License Agreement
It may be of interest to you that FFmpeg has an independent
implementation of this decoder licensed under the LGPL 2.1.
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Patrick Matthäi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello,
I wanted to package maybe truecrypt for Debian.
There was an older discussion on l.d.legal for an older version of the
TrueCrypt license, where the most developers said
, there is nothing the originators of the algorithm can
do to stop it being used.
IANAL
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restriction clauses and some advertising clauses. I don't see
anything restricting use or distribution.
IANAL
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, that is source and
binary compatible with Qt (huge task, but that's beside the point).
Every app written to use Qt can now instead use Tq without even a
recompile. Are these apps now suddenly derivatives of Tq as well as
Qt? I think not.
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Is it a kind of algorithm copyright?
No.
In some countries there is. They call it a patent.
IANAL etc
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implementations for pow(), sqrt(),
printf(), and the rest of the C standard library from glibc, which is
LGPL'd?
No. The kernel is completely self-contained. Some code may of course
have been borrowed from glibc at some point, but that's irrelevant.
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As for stdarg.h, it is provided by the compiler, and generally
(including GCC) licensed without restrictions on use.
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under the DFSG. That does *not* mean that anything in the
GPL is DFSG free outside the context of a work licensed under the
GPL.
It may also be worth noting that GPLv2 *has* to be considered DFSG
free, or there would be little left to call Debian...
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problem.
The preferred form for modification for a film director is often a
reshoot of the scene. I guess this means that a GPL video would have
to ship with (a copy of) Tom Cruise if he happens to be one of the
actors in the film. Sounds difficult to fulfill.
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being incompatible is, IMHO, contradictory to the
spirit of free software, and spending time on such issues is
counter-productive.
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Hello *,
Since I have read tonns of different licences I do not realy know
what to do. Since I am using Debian/main only (with the exception
enough to comment on it.
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libavcodec0: libfaad (AAC decoder); libx264 (AVC decoder)
AFAIK, libx264 is a decoder only but the decoding functions are called
x264_encoder_?
x264 is an AVC *encoder* only. libavcodec can optionally call it for
AVC encoding.
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and have been inolved in patent
litigation against individuals using their patents.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it use, not distribution, that
requires a patent license?
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a good reason to find someone willing to take over dvdrtools
maintenance and development...
We should really seek someone interested.
Umm... they released a new version just a couple of weeks ago. What
do you require of a project to count it as active?
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:21:08 + Måns Rullgård wrote:
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:05:53 + Måns Rullgård wrote:
Just use dvdrtools instead.
ITYM dvd+rw-tools,
That's what I use for burning DVDs
that are quite distinct.
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#include hallo.h
* Måns Rullgård [Sun, Mar 19 2006, 01:50:24AM]:
Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
These are the bits I'm referring to, from cdrecorc.c (sorry for the
long lines, but that's how it's written):
---BEGIN QUOTE
.
This is a problem for French mirror operators, not for Debian.
It is also a problem for any Debian Developer that would come to France.
What? Do the French lock you up for things you did outside of France,
even if they were legal there?
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taken. The obvious solution is to replace the build system
with an acceptably licensed one. While at it, one could also make it
work properly. Incidentally, this is what the dvdrtools folks have
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Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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If courts were
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Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello debian-legal experts ;-),
I need a bit support to clarify the issue with cdrtools' build
system.
Summary: a while ago, Joerg Schilling
be counting mirrored disks as multiple copies,
and probably as using all the copies at once too.
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Not that I'd go so far as to call it useful, but JS does use the same
makefile templates for other software.
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Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Måns Rullgård wrote:
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Not just linking; it's the creation of a derivative work of a
GPLed work. Frankly, I don't see how you can argue that cdrecord
is not a derivative work of the GPLed
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Flaming aside, this is a non-issue. The source for cdrecord contains
invariant sections (those obnoxious warnings about using device
names), so it's certainly not DFSG-free. Just use dvdrtools instead.
Oh? How is it in main
in
Australia's 1999 constitutional referendum - the 'no' case says that
the preamble could have had legal effect.)
Could you elaborate on this, or provide some pointers?
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Given only the source files, writing a makefile that will produce a
working executable is fairly simple. I see makefiles as more of a
convenience than a necessity to build a program.
You could extend
such patents.
The spec is also available free of charge.
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for some
applications. They are just not the ones where H.264 would normally
be considered.
This is all off-topic for debian-legal, so I won't pursue the argument
further (unless someone says something really silly).
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on things that
aren't ASCII.
And, further, the GFDL says I must preserve invariant sections
unaltered in their text, not unaltered in their octects; I seriously
doubt that'd count...
Mmm, I guess you're right.
But then transliterating to ASCII must be acceptable.
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Simply sell the fonts as part of the Hello World package.
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the
Linux kernel, they're just data.
Exactly what I've always been saying. Call them non-free if you will,
but don't get it mixed up with the GPL.
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Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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[...]
Moglen: In all good faith, I can't tell you. If the kernel were
pure GPL in its license terms, the answer...would be: You
couldn't link proprietary video drivers into it whether
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Giannis Beredimas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are similarities in the shape that has been rolled up to form
the spiral. The spiral itself differs, though. The Greek spiral has
about 2.5
code to
build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your
program mean I have to GPL my program?
A: Yes.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LinkingWithGPL
I guess you all know what I think the GPL FAQ is a load of.
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/~mru/junk/debian.png
This took a fair amount of rotating and stretching, and it's still not
very close. My guess is that someone happened to draw a vaguely
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Hi Måns,
Måns Rullgård wrote:
I played around with the Greek site's logo, trying to match it
against the Debian logo. This is the result:
http://inprovide.com/~mru/junk/debian.png
This took a fair amount of rotating and stretching, and it's still
under the
GPL. This position is not *that* unusual...
Not being unusual doesn't make it sensible or correct.
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Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 07:23:24PM +, Måns Rullgård wrote:
Do you think that this licence does not require a developer
of a modified package (other than PHP) to lie by saying
This product includes PHP software?
Perhaps the PHP folks
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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Statements like this one would seem to have something to do with it:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL
Odd statements, indeed. It's curious that the FSF would
of PHP. Then it wouldn't be lying, would it?
They still don't *include* PHP. There's a huge difference between
require and include.
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Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd certainly expect a program as expensive and with such ambitions
as Adobe Illustrator to have it.
On the contrary - a specific spiral template sounds like
of that type have tools to draw rectangles, (regular)
polygons, circles, ellipses, and spirals. Those are all basic
geometrical shapes.
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preexisting GPL'd work(s) and hence
Not just from preexisting works, they can be derived from works to be
written later too. Some of the regulars here have repeatedly asserted
the equivalent of this.
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/me wonders...
Isn't the Debian swirl logo just a very basic Adobe Illustrator
template?
The stroke is, but the particular way it swirls is not.
Looks like a pretty standard spiral to me.
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Isn't the Debian swirl logo just a very basic Adobe Illustrator
template?
The stroke is, but the particular way it swirls
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Isn't the Debian swirl
be more restrictions when
the specification is publicly available.
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apparently succeeds at this.
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. This act being unrestricted
per the quoted paragraph, it follows that any program can link with a
GPL library, no matter what license that program has.
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a suggestion, i'd like to know if it's a
valid solution. If not, is there anything else i can do?
This is getting absurd. The usual argument here is that Debian should
follow the wishes of the upstream author, even if the legal
foundations are shaky. Why not in this case?
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, but that it must affix a notice to the effect that it includes
it.
But without including PHP, it won't be, well, included, making the
statement false. Using false statements as part of a license doesn't
seem like a very good idea to me.
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of the C
program must abide by the terms of the libc he or she chose to
develop with.
I build my code on a variety of systems, including Linux/glibc, *BSD,
Solaris, AIX, MacOSX, etc. Does this mean that my programs are
derivatives of all these C libraries/compilers?
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On Wednesday 24 August 2005 02:17 pm, Måns Rullgård wrote:
Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 01:46 pm, Catatonic Porpoise wrote:
Sean Kellogg wrote:
I'm pretty sure it is a PHP-derivative. It relies on all sorts
think
it follows DFSG 1 or 6.
It says something about publishers, but exactly what it's supposed to
mean is beyond me.
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Hello all,
If I were to study GPL'ed source in order to understand a protocol
that it implements, would I need to and if so how would I cite this in
any program I create which uses any knowledge gained?
Stating where you obtained the information is always a
?
No, because the following statement is allowed by the GPL, and does not
reveal the identity of the dissident:
This file was changed on December 10, 2004.
Whether that's allowed by the GPL depends on the interpretation of the
phrase stating that you changed the files.
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Well, I have certainly seen no signs that the view expressed in
the GPL FAQ does not have consensus on the debian-legal list.
Apparently, you have failed to see the numerous disagreeing posts that
appear from time to time.
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the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL symbols, for
compatibility with drivers that need them, for example.)
Someone could even take the Linux kernel, and replace all
EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL with EXPORT_SYMBOL. I see nothing in the GPL
prohibiting this. Sure, it wouldn't be nice, but it's legal not to be
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Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you make a kernel module that only uses something
EXPORT_SYMBOL()'d from the kernel, you are NOT in principle
writing a derivative work. If you use EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL()'d
symbols
Humberto Massa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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It would be, if the license said it was. As it happens, the license
makes no mention of this, but does give explicit permission to make
any modifications desired.
If EXPORT_XX are copyright notices,
But are they?
copyright
? It should be DFSG free
as far as I can understand, right?
It doesn't explicitly allow distributing modified versions. Maybe
any form was intended to include modifications, but it's not
obvious. Why not just use the BSD or MIT license?
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If you can find us a country whose laws make this illegal,
this issue would be worth discussing.
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 06:15:34PM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote:
You are obviously convinced that using a command line interface can't
be protected
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 09:17:51PM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote:
Thanks for mentioning command lines. Running a program from the
command line, usually involves passing it options. These options are
(obviously) copies of strings from the actual program
to interface with the system.
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 04:15:57AM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote:
Alternative to what? There can be no alternative to the full set of
interfaces to the system. Are you trying to argue, that several
interfaces exist, use of each one is protected due to the existence
in the
opposite order?
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no obligation to
anyone else to grant a license to make the library's release useful.
(For a commercial SDK, this would seem to apply to header files.)
So now the degree of protection by copyright depends on how much you
charge for it? What if someone gets paid to develop open source?
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it, with or without
modifications, as long as this notice is preserved.
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It's free, but it's sloppy. I find it hard to believe that FSF legal
passed this.
Where's the warranty disclaimer? This can't be the full thing.
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fee for such sale.
If the law places restrictions on distribution, there is nothing a
license can do about it.
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be
copyright infringement, because the way cp moves the bits around is
just an 'implementation detail'. So presumably you don't think
copyright infringement using a computer is possible.
You are obviously deliberately misinterpreting what I said.
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the reach of
copyright in such a way would be absurd, and this is what fair use
is about.
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), is to compile
programs using its header files, and link these programs against it.
What did you expect me to do with those headers? Frame them and hang
them on the wall?
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GPL breaks that promise, then the original licensor has a
very good case in law that the new GPL is *not* a later version, but
a different version to which the or later wording doesn't apply...
That would be a, maybe not desirable, but at least very interesting
case.
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. There are many different views out there, and some recent
moves from FSF have been in a direction away from a large enough
number of people, with loud enough voices, to make it noticeable.
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code is derivative from
one of the BSDs.
Some of the filesystems (XFS and JFS, at least) have external origins,
although they must have been somewhat adapted to the Linux VFS layer.
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Kuno Woudt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 03:30:28PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
Arnoud Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And probably it will also deal with running the code on a publicly
accessible server.
The question is if a license based on copyright can
...
This is different from the requirement of some licenses that a notice
be displayed on the console, or in a dialog box, when the program is
run. I think this is what the OP was afraid of.
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Could you please elaborate on the PHP loophole?
I've never heard of it: what do you mean by that?
(feel free to change the subject or even to reply to me in private, if
you think it's better)
I'm also curious about this one.
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sceptical about releasing code under a license
containing a blanket permission to use it under another yet to be
written license. What if I don't at all agree with GPLv3?
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