Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.

2010-03-26 Thread Måns Rullgård
hard time enforcing it in court. IANAL -- Måns Rullgård m...@mansr.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/yw1xiq8isx7h@unicorn.mansr.com

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
permission to distribute it any further. More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. -- Måns Rullgård m...@mansr.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. If a work is GPLed and we do not have the complete source for the work, we cannot distribute it under the GPL

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. If a work is GPLed and we do

Re: Licence query

2008-09-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
to distribute modified versions. It is fairly obvious from the remainder of the license that such permission was intended, but it should still be explicitly mentioned. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Licence query

2008-09-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Måns Rullgård said: There is one thing about that license that strikes me as slightly odd. Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any purpose, including commercial applications, and to alter

Re: Licence query

2008-09-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Måns Rullgård said: Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Måns Rullgård said: There is one thing about that license that strikes me as slightly odd. Permission is granted to anyone

Re: Copy vs. (re)distribute

2008-05-13 Thread Måns Rullgård
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Re: Bug#476644: bring back H.261 encoding

2008-04-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
are to be computed from input data. I have no idea whether any patents are applicable to the FFmpeg H.261 encoder, but I wouldn't discount the possibility without a thorough examination. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Do web applications disable GPL obligations?

2008-03-12 Thread Måns Rullgård
M. Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård-3 writes: Mark Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear all, I hope this is the right list to discuss GPL related issues. (Or where would be a better place to get help with the following question?) Your question doesn't relate to Debian, so

Re: Do web applications disable GPL obligations?

2008-03-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
: IANAL, TINLA. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: k3b monkey audio plugin

2008-03-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
: Monkey's Audio Source Code License Agreement It may be of interest to you that FFmpeg has an independent implementation of this decoder licensed under the LGPL 2.1. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: TrueCrypt License 2.3

2008-01-13 Thread Måns Rullgård
Patrick Matthäi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård schrieb: Patrick Matthäi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I wanted to package maybe truecrypt for Debian. There was an older discussion on l.d.legal for an older version of the TrueCrypt license, where the most developers said

Re: TrueCrypt License 2.3

2008-01-13 Thread Måns Rullgård
, there is nothing the originators of the algorithm can do to stop it being used. IANAL -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: TrueCrypt License 2.3

2008-01-12 Thread Måns Rullgård
restriction clauses and some advertising clauses. I don't see anything restricting use or distribution. IANAL -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: rescuing code from the GPL

2007-11-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
, that is source and binary compatible with Qt (huge task, but that's beside the point). Every app written to use Qt can now instead use Tq without even a recompile. Are these apps now suddenly derivatives of Tq as well as Qt? I think not. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: algorithm copyright? what's that?

2007-10-03 Thread Måns Rullgård
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it a kind of algorithm copyright? No. In some countries there is. They call it a patent. IANAL etc Neither am I. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: LGPL v3 compatibilty

2007-07-16 Thread Måns Rullgård
implementations for pow(), sqrt(), printf(), and the rest of the C standard library from glibc, which is LGPL'd? No. The kernel is completely self-contained. Some code may of course have been borrowed from glibc at some point, but that's irrelevant. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: LGPL v3 compatibilty

2007-07-16 Thread Måns Rullgård
. As for stdarg.h, it is provided by the compiler, and generally (including GCC) licensed without restrictions on use. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-04 Thread Måns Rullgård
under the DFSG. That does *not* mean that anything in the GPL is DFSG free outside the context of a work licensed under the GPL. It may also be worth noting that GPLv2 *has* to be considered DFSG free, or there would be little left to call Debian... -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Debian-approved creative/content license?

2007-03-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
problem. The preferred form for modification for a film director is often a reshoot of the scene. I guess this means that a GPL video would have to ship with (a copy of) Tom Cruise if he happens to be one of the actors in the film. Sounds difficult to fulfill. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: DFSG as Licence?

2006-06-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
being incompatible is, IMHO, contradictory to the spirit of free software, and spending time on such issues is counter-productive. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: DFSG as Licence?

2006-06-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sunday 11 June 2006 19:25, Måns Rullgård wrote: Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello *, Since I have read tonns of different licences I do not realy know what to do. Since I am using Debian/main only (with the exception

Re: MPEG-4 patent license issues - libfaad* and libx264* and other codecs.

2006-05-01 Thread Måns Rullgård
enough to comment on it. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MPEG-4 patent license issues - libfaad* and libx264* and other codecs.

2006-05-01 Thread Måns Rullgård
) libavcodec0: libfaad (AAC decoder); libx264 (AVC decoder) AFAIK, libx264 is a decoder only but the decoding functions are called x264_encoder_? x264 is an AVC *encoder* only. libavcodec can optionally call it for AVC encoding. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: MPEG-4 patent license issues - libfaad* and libx264* and other codecs.

2006-04-30 Thread Måns Rullgård
and have been inolved in patent litigation against individuals using their patents. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it use, not distribution, that requires a patent license? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: license of schema files

2006-04-04 Thread Måns Rullgård
. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-23 Thread Måns Rullgård
a good reason to find someone willing to take over dvdrtools maintenance and development... We should really seek someone interested. Umm... they released a new version just a couple of weeks ago. What do you require of a project to count it as active? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-20 Thread Måns Rullgård
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:21:08 + Måns Rullgård wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:05:53 + Måns Rullgård wrote: Just use dvdrtools instead. ITYM dvd+rw-tools, That's what I use for burning DVDs

Re: MIT licenses

2006-03-20 Thread Måns Rullgård
that are quite distinct. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #include hallo.h * Måns Rullgård [Sun, Mar 19 2006, 01:50:24AM]: Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These are the bits I'm referring to, from cdrecorc.c (sorry for the long lines, but that's how it's written): ---BEGIN QUOTE

Re: Problematic distribution of P2P clients in France

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
. This is a problem for French mirror operators, not for Debian. It is also a problem for any Debian Developer that would come to France. What? Do the French lock you up for things you did outside of France, even if they were legal there? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
taken. The obvious solution is to replace the build system with an acceptably licensed one. While at it, one could also make it work properly. Incidentally, this is what the dvdrtools folks have already done. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Problematic distribution of P2P clients in France

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 01:39:12PM +, Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:35:16PM +0100, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If courts were

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:05:53 + Måns Rullgård wrote: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello debian-legal experts ;-), I need a bit support to clarify the issue with cdrtools' build system. Summary: a while ago, Joerg Schilling

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
be counting mirrored disks as multiple copies, and probably as using all the copies at once too. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPL v3 possible issues.

2006-03-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
system of choice. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
. Not that I'd go so far as to call it useful, but JS does use the same makefile templates for other software. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not just linking; it's the creation of a derivative work of a GPLed work. Frankly, I don't see how you can argue that cdrecord is not a derivative work of the GPLed

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård wrote: Flaming aside, this is a non-issue. The source for cdrecord contains invariant sections (those obnoxious warnings about using device names), so it's certainly not DFSG-free. Just use dvdrtools instead. Oh? How is it in main

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
in Australia's 1999 constitutional referendum - the 'no' case says that the preamble could have had legal effect.) Could you elaborate on this, or provide some pointers? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Måns Rullgård wrote: Given only the source files, writing a makefile that will produce a working executable is fairly simple. I see makefiles as more of a convenience than a necessity to build a program. You could extend

Re: x264 for Debian

2006-03-03 Thread Måns Rullgård
such patents. The spec is also available free of charge. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: x264 for Debian

2006-03-02 Thread Måns Rullgård
-free licensing terms. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: x264 for Debian

2006-03-02 Thread Måns Rullgård
for some applications. They are just not the ones where H.264 would normally be considered. This is all off-topic for debian-legal, so I won't pursue the argument further (unless someone says something really silly). -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-28 Thread Måns Rullgård
on things that aren't ASCII. And, further, the GFDL says I must preserve invariant sections unaltered in their text, not unaltered in their octects; I seriously doubt that'd count... Mmm, I guess you're right. But then transliterating to ASCII must be acceptable. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL

Re: bitstream font license

2006-01-22 Thread Måns Rullgård
. Simply sell the fonts as part of the Hello World package. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Moglen on kernel firmware blobs

2006-01-20 Thread Måns Rullgård
the Linux kernel, they're just data. Exactly what I've always been saying. Call them non-free if you will, but don't get it mixed up with the GPL. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
/kcore. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1/20/06, Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Moglen: In all good faith, I can't tell you. If the kernel were pure GPL in its license terms, the answer...would be: You couldn't link proprietary video drivers into it whether

Re: Potential debian logo license violation

2005-11-28 Thread Måns Rullgård
Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/28/05, Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giannis Beredimas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are similarities in the shape that has been rolled up to form the spiral. The spiral itself differs, though. The Greek spiral has about 2.5

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-11-27 Thread Måns Rullgård
code to build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program mean I have to GPL my program? A: Yes. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LinkingWithGPL I guess you all know what I think the GPL FAQ is a load of. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Potential debian logo license violation

2005-11-27 Thread Måns Rullgård
/~mru/junk/debian.png This took a fair amount of rotating and stretching, and it's still not very close. My guess is that someone happened to draw a vaguely similar spiral. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Potential debian logo license violation

2005-11-27 Thread Måns Rullgård
Giannis Beredimas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Måns, Måns Rullgård wrote: I played around with the Greek site's logo, trying to match it against the Debian logo. This is the result: http://inprovide.com/~mru/junk/debian.png This took a fair amount of rotating and stretching, and it's still

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-11-25 Thread Måns Rullgård
under the GPL. This position is not *that* unusual... Not being unusual doesn't make it sensible or correct. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-11-25 Thread Måns Rullgård
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 07:23:24PM +, Måns Rullgård wrote: Do you think that this licence does not require a developer of a modified package (other than PHP) to lie by saying This product includes PHP software? Perhaps the PHP folks

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-11-25 Thread Måns Rullgård
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 09:22:24PM +, Måns Rullgård wrote: Statements like this one would seem to have something to do with it: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL Odd statements, indeed. It's curious that the FSF would

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-11-23 Thread Måns Rullgård
of PHP. Then it wouldn't be lying, would it? They still don't *include* PHP. There's a huge difference between require and include. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Logo rip-off

2005-10-15 Thread Måns Rullgård
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd certainly expect a program as expensive and with such ambitions as Adobe Illustrator to have it. On the contrary - a specific spiral template sounds like

Re: Logo rip-off

2005-10-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
of that type have tools to draw rectangles, (regular) polygons, circles, ellipses, and spirals. Those are all basic geometrical shapes. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MySQL only useable for GPL clients?

2005-10-13 Thread Måns Rullgård
preexisting GPL'd work(s) and hence Not just from preexisting works, they can be derived from works to be written later too. Some of the regulars here have repeatedly asserted the equivalent of this. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Logo rip-off

2005-10-13 Thread Måns Rullgård
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Amaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] /me wonders... Isn't the Debian swirl logo just a very basic Adobe Illustrator template? The stroke is, but the particular way it swirls is not. Looks like a pretty standard spiral to me. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL

Re: Logo rip-off

2005-10-13 Thread Måns Rullgård
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Amaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't the Debian swirl logo just a very basic Adobe Illustrator template? The stroke is, but the particular way it swirls

Re: Logo rip-off

2005-10-13 Thread Måns Rullgård
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:37:08PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Amaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't the Debian swirl

Re: MySQL only useable for GPL clients?

2005-10-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
be more restrictions when the specification is publicly available. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-09 Thread Måns Rullgård
and religion to reach their conclusions. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-09 Thread Måns Rullgård
, and apparently succeeds at this. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-08 Thread Måns Rullgård
. This act being unrestricted per the quoted paragraph, it follows that any program can link with a GPL library, no matter what license that program has. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-08 Thread Måns Rullgård
/contract. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPL+OpenSSL issue -- good suggestion?

2005-08-30 Thread Måns Rullgård
a suggestion, i'd like to know if it's a valid solution. If not, is there anything else i can do? This is getting absurd. The usual argument here is that Debian should follow the wishes of the upstream author, even if the legal foundations are shaky. Why not in this case? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL

Re: [PEAR-DEV] PHP License

2005-08-24 Thread Måns Rullgård
, but that it must affix a notice to the effect that it includes it. But without including PHP, it won't be, well, included, making the statement false. Using false statements as part of a license doesn't seem like a very good idea to me. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: [PEAR-QA] PHP License

2005-08-24 Thread Måns Rullgård
of the C program must abide by the terms of the libc he or she chose to develop with. I build my code on a variety of systems, including Linux/glibc, *BSD, Solaris, AIX, MacOSX, etc. Does this mean that my programs are derivatives of all these C libraries/compilers? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEAR-QA] PHP License

2005-08-24 Thread Måns Rullgård
Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 02:17 pm, Måns Rullgård wrote: Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 01:46 pm, Catatonic Porpoise wrote: Sean Kellogg wrote: I'm pretty sure it is a PHP-derivative. It relies on all sorts

Re: May be non-copyrighted documment included in main?

2005-08-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
think it follows DFSG 1 or 6. It says something about publishers, but exactly what it's supposed to mean is beyond me. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPL Possible Derivative Work

2005-06-16 Thread Måns Rullgård
Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello all, If I were to study GPL'ed source in order to understand a protocol that it implements, would I need to and if so how would I cite this in any program I create which uses any knowledge gained? Stating where you obtained the information is always a

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-13 Thread Måns Rullgård
, glorification of war, or whatever else is on that list. I am fairly certain that the quake2 engine could be used to create a totally non-violent game. This looks like a bug in Germany rather than a bug in quake2. Does the German government have a bug tracking system? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
? No, because the following statement is allowed by the GPL, and does not reveal the identity of the dissident: This file was changed on December 10, 2004. Whether that's allowed by the GPL depends on the interpretation of the phrase stating that you changed the files. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL

Re: sphinx 4

2005-05-17 Thread Måns Rullgård
Warren Turkal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the license[1] for sphinx4 DFSG compliant? wt [1] http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/license.terms Looks very much like a BSD license. Are there any subtle differences that I've overlooked? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: RES: Where to put Open Transport Tycoon (openttd)

2005-05-17 Thread Måns Rullgård
. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPL and linking

2005-05-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Jakob Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I have certainly seen no signs that the view expressed in the GPL FAQ does not have consensus on the debian-legal list. Apparently, you have failed to see the numerous disagreeing posts that appear from time to time. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL symbols, for compatibility with drivers that need them, for example.) Someone could even take the Linux kernel, and replace all EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL with EXPORT_SYMBOL. I see nothing in the GPL prohibiting this. Sure, it wouldn't be nice, but it's legal not to be nice. -- Måns Rullgård

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
Humberto Massa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård wrote: Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you make a kernel module that only uses something EXPORT_SYMBOL()'d from the kernel, you are NOT in principle writing a derivative work. If you use EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL()'d symbols

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
Humberto Massa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård wrote: It would be, if the license said it was. As it happens, the license makes no mention of this, but does give explicit permission to make any modifications desired. If EXPORT_XX are copyright notices, But are they? copyright

Re: Bug#294559: A very permitive license.

2005-04-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
? It should be DFSG free as far as I can understand, right? It doesn't explicitly allow distributing modified versions. Maybe any form was intended to include modifications, but it's not obvious. Why not just use the BSD or MIT license? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.

2005-04-07 Thread Måns Rullgård
thread and gotten truly bizarre. Surprised? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: sql-ledger may belong in non-free

2005-04-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Martin Dickopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, this text seems to be gone. (There are still some bogus trademark claims on that page--IANAL, but I doubt a trademark allows them to prevent people from

Re: sql-ledger may belong in non-free

2005-04-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
don't affect the software, or at least the name could be removed if it became a problem.) If Intel can [1], why not these guys? [1] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/54177 -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-04-04 Thread Måns Rullgård
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can find us a country whose laws make this illegal, this issue would be worth discussing. On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 06:15:34PM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote: You are obviously convinced that using a command line interface can't be protected

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-04-01 Thread Måns Rullgård
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 09:17:51PM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote: Thanks for mentioning command lines. Running a program from the command line, usually involves passing it options. These options are (obviously) copies of strings from the actual program

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-03-31 Thread Måns Rullgård
to interface with the system. On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 04:15:57AM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote: Alternative to what? There can be no alternative to the full set of interfaces to the system. Are you trying to argue, that several interfaces exist, use of each one is protected due to the existence

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-03-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
in the opposite order? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-03-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
no obligation to anyone else to grant a license to make the library's release useful. (For a commercial SDK, this would seem to apply to header files.) So now the degree of protection by copyright depends on how much you charge for it? What if someone gets paid to develop open source? -- Måns

Re: New licence for auto-tools m4 files

2005-03-25 Thread Måns Rullgård
it, with or without modifications, as long as this notice is preserved. 8888888-- It's free, but it's sloppy. I find it hard to believe that FSF legal passed this. Where's the warranty disclaimer? This can't be the full thing. -- Måns

Re: x.org non free?

2005-03-25 Thread Måns Rullgård
fee for such sale. If the law places restrictions on distribution, there is nothing a license can do about it. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-03-24 Thread Måns Rullgård
be copyright infringement, because the way cp moves the bits around is just an 'implementation detail'. So presumably you don't think copyright infringement using a computer is possible. You are obviously deliberately misinterpreting what I said. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-03-23 Thread Måns Rullgård
the reach of copyright in such a way would be absurd, and this is what fair use is about. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-03-23 Thread Måns Rullgård
), is to compile programs using its header files, and link these programs against it. What did you expect me to do with those headers? Frame them and hang them on the wall? -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-03-15 Thread Måns Rullgård
GPL breaks that promise, then the original licensor has a very good case in law that the new GPL is *not* a later version, but a different version to which the or later wording doesn't apply... That would be a, maybe not desirable, but at least very interesting case. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL

Re: Linux and GPLv2

2005-03-14 Thread Måns Rullgård
. There are many different views out there, and some recent moves from FSF have been in a direction away from a large enough number of people, with loud enough voices, to make it noticeable. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

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