Re: A command similar to "tree -sd" ?

2018-07-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/13/2018 06:26 AM, davidson wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, Richard Owlett wrote: While pursuing a problem I found the tree command useful. Not having used it recently I re-read the man page I got ideas related to a *TOTALLY UNRELATED* question. For the second question it would be useful

Re: THANKYOU**Googleplex - was (Re: Separate /home directories etc?)

2018-07-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/10/2018 03:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/10/2018 01:28 PM, David Wright wrote: [snip] Is it a big enough topic to deserve a whole article? I would expect articles on partitioning to mention it in passing, as for example: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/partitioning

A command similar to "tree -sd" ?

2018-07-13 Thread Richard Owlett
While pursuing a problem I found the tree command useful. Not having used it recently I re-read the man page I got ideas related to a *TOTALLY UNRELATED* question. For the second question it would be useful to have directory output in tree format showing the size on disk of that directory and

Re: unable to connect to database in MediaWiki 1.27.4 installation

2018-07-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/12/2018 12:01 PM, mick crane wrote: [*SNIP*] know frighteningly little about mysql. I'd make a test database at the mysql prompt. put some data in it. export it, drop it, make a new one, import the exported one. and do that a few times to see if it all works before messing with my real

Re: A "Where am I" routine

2018-07-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/10/2018 01:40 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 06 Jul 2018 at 06:25:43 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: I multi-boot several configurations &/or releases of Debian. I will run identical test scripts on each. I want to store the results in a common logging file. If you're going to com

THANKYOU**Googleplex - was (Re: Separate /home directories etc?)

2018-07-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/10/2018 01:28 PM, David Wright wrote: [snip] Is it a big enough topic to deserve a whole article? I would expect articles on partitioning to mention it in passing, as for example: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/partitioning That, with the benefit of article it references, is

Re: Editing a piped in stream?

2018-07-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/08/2018 08:12 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] In some threads I'm chided for lack of details. In this and other threads I lose for giving too many. Y'all will have admit that I did say "Subject line is poorly phrased." Having read the responses, my subject line my not be al

Re: Editing a piped in stream?

2018-07-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/08/2018 06:18 AM, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 07:39:07AM +0200, john doe wrote: The issue here is that we don't know what the OP wants A situation sadly familiar when dealing with this particular poster's threads. Also in the general case, if you ever find

Re: Separate /home directories etc?

2018-07-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/06/2018 03:47 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: In response to a unrelated post to a LUG, I was asked if I had a separate /home directory. Short answer -- no. I abandoned WinXP when Jessie had become stable. The installer defaults {I assume for cause} to putting every thing on one partition

Eureka;/ Re: Editing a piped in stream?

2018-07-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/07/2018 08:33 PM, David Wright wrote: On 07/06/18 09:17, Richard Owlett wrote: Subject line is poorly phrased. While working on a problem {solved by a different approach} I had:     ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/ | cut -f 10,12 -d ' ' > data.txt I would then manually edit data.

Separate /home directories etc?

2018-07-06 Thread Richard Owlett
In response to a unrelated post to a LUG, I was asked if I had a separate /home directory. Short answer -- no. I abandoned WinXP when Jessie had become stable. The installer defaults {I assume for cause} to putting every thing on one partition/directory. Where may I read about pros/cons ?

Re: Editing a piped in stream?

2018-07-06 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/06/2018 11:46 AM, Michael Wagner wrote: On Jul 06, 2018 um 11:17:56, Richard Owlett wrote: Subject line is poorly phrased. While working on a problem {solved by a different approach} I had: ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/ | cut -f 10,12 -d ' ' data.txt I would then manually edit data.txt

Editing a piped in stream?

2018-07-06 Thread Richard Owlett
Subject line is poorly phrased. While working on a problem {solved by a different approach} I had: ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/ | cut -f 10,12 -d ' ' data.txt I would then manually edit data.txt by replacing the space character between the two fields with a tab. I suspect I should be able to

Re: A "Where am I" routine

2018-07-06 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/06/2018 07:15 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 06:25:43AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I multi-boot several configurations &/or releases of Debian. I will run identical test scripts on each. I want to store the results in a common logging file. I can se

A "Where am I" routine

2018-07-06 Thread Richard Owlett
I multi-boot several configurations &/or releases of Debian. I will run identical test scripts on each. I want to store the results in a common logging file. I can set up an appropriate environment with a custom fstab containing: # create a common area LABEL=owlcommon

Re: Problems installing MariaDB

2018-06-30 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/29/2018 03:01 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: The initial setup to create users and associated passwords specifically. Also anything else required for using it for the first time. Hi, as you stated that you have time, just read some good howto. You must know that MariaDB

Re: Problems installing MariaDB

2018-06-30 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/29/2018 01:23 PM, Joe wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 07:59:57 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: I have not used a relational database since dBASEII was current. About a year ago I attempted to install MariaDB but didn't find tutorial which was a close enough match to my system. I found

Re: Problems installing MariaDB

2018-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/29/2018 08:22 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 07:59:57AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] Now, if you're not getting these prompts, then the best place to start is by choosing (again) the configuration of debconf. Run:  # dpkg-reconfigure debconf I did

Re: Problems installing MariaDB

2018-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/29/2018 08:09 AM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 07:59:57AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I have not used a relational database since dBASEII was current. About a year ago I attempted to install MariaDB but didn't find tutorial which was a close enough match to my system

Problems installing MariaDB

2018-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
I have not used a relational database since dBASEII was current. About a year ago I attempted to install MariaDB but didn't find tutorial which was a close enough match to my system. I found (and attempted to follow) instructions at: https://www.tecmint.com/install-mariadb-in-debian/

Re: Beowulf gone?

2018-06-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/24/2018 02:17 PM, Hans wrote: Hi folks, I am interested in clustering a server for educacation purposes, Asd far as I remembewr, there had bbeen some debian packages called "beowulf" or so, However, I may be wrong and saw them in SuSE-linux not in debian. Today I found no beowqulf

Re: What is "discover -t" saying?

2018-06-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/24/2018 09:35 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2018-06-24 at 10:07, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/24/2018 08:38 AM, The Wanderer wrote: discover --vendor-id --model-id -t | grep unknown discover --vendor-id --model-id -t | grep unknown gives 1912 0015 unknown unknown https://pci-ids.ucw.cz

Re: What is "discover -t" saying?

2018-06-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/24/2018 08:38 AM, The Wanderer wrote: discover --vendor-id --model-id -t | grep unknown discover --vendor-id --model-id -t | grep unknown gives 1912 0015 unknown unknown 1bbb 0195 unknown unknown Thanks

Re: What is "discover -t" saying?

2018-06-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/24/2018 08:36 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2018-06-24 at 09:27, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/24/2018 08:16 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2018-06-24 at 08:10, Richard Owlett wrote: The discover(1) manpage does not describe output format/fields. The relevant output line is:> Proli

Re: What is "discover -t" saying?

2018-06-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/24/2018 08:16 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2018-06-24 at 08:10, Richard Owlett wrote: The discover(1) manpage does not describe output format/fields. The relevant output line is:> Prolific Technology, Inc. PL25A1 Host-Host Bridge unknown unknown There are two fields whose cont

What is "discover -t" saying?

2018-06-24 Thread Richard Owlett
The discover(1) manpage does not describe output format/fields. The relevant output line is:> Prolific Technology, Inc. PL25A1 Host-Host Bridge unknown unknown There are two fields whose content is "unknown". What are they? TIA

Additional info [Re: Problems with https://manpages.debian.org/]

2018-06-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/23/2018 01:18 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: For the past couple of weeks I've had problems connecting to https://manpages.debian.org/ . Usually it went away after a couple of retries. Earlier today had to do multiple retries over ~15-20 minutes. If it's relevant, my ISP is T-mobile. I

Problems with https://manpages.debian.org/

2018-06-23 Thread Richard Owlett
For the past couple of weeks I've had problems connecting to https://manpages.debian.org/ . Usually it went away after a couple of retries. Earlier today had to do multiple retries over ~15-20 minutes. If it's relevant, my ISP is T-mobile. I haven't noticed any problems with other sites.

Re: USB Host-Host cables

2018-06-20 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/19/2018 07:43 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-06-19, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: You either subscribe to Owlett's idiosyncratic, infuriatingly wrong-headed, utterly intractable and narrow world or you do not. I [the OP] state: "Who?" "ME?" "Idiosyncratic?" *ROFL*, SNICKER, CHUckle, chuckle ;/

Re: USB Host-Host cables

2018-06-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/18/2018 10:27 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: I have what is essentially a "USB->Serial" - "Serial->USB" Cable. Ethernet is *NOT* involved - though there are topological similarities. I don't have factual knowledge of what you have, indeed, but you said: I have purchased a USB Host-Host

Re: USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

2018-06-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/18/2018 07:17 AM, David wrote: On 1 June 2018 at 00:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I have two computers with USB ports. I wish them to communicate as simply as mid-20th-century computers did. What is the make and model number of each computer? No longer a relevant question. I have

Re: USB Host-Host cables

2018-06-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/17/2018 05:04 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: That's your perspective (as someone who's stated that you have no experience at this). From the perspective of the people who tried to help you, you've chosen an obscure solution rather than a well-tested and well-documented solution for no apparent

A Bibliography [Re: USB Host-Host cables]

2018-06-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/13/2018 06:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have purchased a USB Host-Host cable based on the PL-25A1 chipset. Where would discussion about using it be *ON TOPIC* ? It is recognized by Debian Stretch. I have found relevant bits-n-pieces in manpages and package info. I'm retired and my

Re: USB Host-Host cables

2018-06-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/15/2018 09:06 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 15 June 2018 06:37:57 Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/14/2018 08:54 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 02:50:51PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: and now you can access the other side via ssh and scp and whatever. I've never used

Re: USB Host-Host cables

2018-06-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/15/2018 05:37 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/14/2018 08:54 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 02:50:51PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: and now you can access the other side via ssh and scp and whatever. I've never used either "ssh" or "scp". *THEREFO

Re: USB Host-Host cables

2018-06-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/14/2018 08:54 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 02:50:51PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: and now you can access the other side via ssh and scp and whatever. I've never used either "ssh" or "scp". *THEREFORE* I believe I have a reading as

Re: USB Host-Host cables

2018-06-13 Thread Richard Owlett
[I'm subscribed to list] On 06/13/2018 09:57 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 06:29:33AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I have purchased a USB Host-Host cable based on the PL-25A1 chipset. Where would discussion about using it be *ON TOPIC* ? It is recognized by Debian Stretch. I

USB Host-Host cables

2018-06-13 Thread Richard Owlett
I have purchased a USB Host-Host cable based on the PL-25A1 chipset. Where would discussion about using it be *ON TOPIC* ? It is recognized by Debian Stretch. I have found relevant bits-n-pieces in manpages and package info. I'm retired and my avocation is learning about Linux. I'm missing

End-user effects of IPv4 - IPv6 transistion

2018-06-09 Thread Richard Owlett
The recent post about disabling IPv6 raised the question "How does this affect me?" A Duck-Duck-Go search gave a number of hits what the were and also some historical information. How does this affect a home user with only one machine? As one of the articles reported that my ISP {T-Mobile} was

Boot process related logs. What? Where?

2018-06-04 Thread Richard Owlett
My explicit question is: Does an annotated list of boot process related log files and their locations exist? I did a reasonably typical install from DVD-1 of Debian 9.1.0 . It is at least partly functional - I can log in as root. The only error message during boot was that it could not

Re: USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

2018-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/01/2018 09:01 AM, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 04:56:32AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/31/2018 06:58 PM, David Wright wrote: (thanks for your link) gives an idea of the price, and in this case I can see some justification for it because they describe the electronics

Re: USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

2018-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/01/2018 08:21 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 08:23:42AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: The one choice you have is that one of both sides takes a step back and plays "gadget" [...] The gadget API is the programming API

Re: USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

2018-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/01/2018 01:27 AM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I have two computers with USB ports. I wish them to communicate as simply as mid-20th-century computers did. Then we used RS232-C with a null modem &/or appropriate software software at both ends. J., why not take a cross

Re: USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

2018-06-01 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/31/2018 10:07 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: I have two computers with USB ports. I wish them to communicate as simply as mid-20th-century computers did. What kind of "communicate" do you need there? Essentially any ;/ In fact one of the thought experiments I was pursuing was how to do file

USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

2018-05-31 Thread Richard Owlett
I have two computers with USB ports. I wish them to communicate as simply as mid-20th-century computers did. Then we used RS232-C with a null modem &/or appropriate software software at both ends. The underlying problem is that both ends egotistically expect to be *MASTER*. The hardware

Re: Usability BUG - Which package appropriate?

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/28/2018 02:14 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: In another thread I asked for text editor recommendations to address a Later someone else suggested emacs. My mental image of "emacs" was of something for a 'dumb terminal'. I went to Synaptic searching for 'emacs'.

Re: Seeing with comprehension - was [ rsync error -- "Protocol incompatibility" Why?]

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/28/2018 12:57 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Question 1 [...] Question 2. When it ran I happened to be sitting by the display and noticed things of the form: var/log/lightdm/x-2.log.old 963 100%2.32kB/s0:00:00 (xfr#88022, to-chk=21/128033) var/log

Usability BUG - Which package appropriate?

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
In another thread I asked for text editor recommendations to address a narrowly focused problem - making non-printing (one respondent called them "ink-free) characters obvious. I had specified a GUI editor. One person suggested geany. I checked Synaptic and found it was already installed.

Re: Seeing with comprehension - was [ rsync error -- "Protocol incompatibility" Why?]

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/28/2018 11:18 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/28/2018 10:58 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 28 May 2018 11:53:26 Richard Owlett wrote: Question 1 I tried to backup another partition. The command I *THOUGHT* I gave was: rsync --verbose  --progress --stats --recursive --times --perms

Re: Seeing with comprehension - was [ rsync error -- "Protocol incompatibility" Why?]

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/28/2018 10:58 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 28 May 2018 11:53:26 Richard Owlett wrote: Question 1 I tried to backup another partition. The command I *THOUGHT* I gave was: rsync --verbose --progress --stats --recursive --times --perms --links \ /media/richard/jessie8-6-sda6/ /media

Seeing with comprehension - was [ rsync error -- "Protocol incompatibility" Why?]

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
Question 1 I tried to backup another partition. The command I *THOUGHT* I gave was: rsync --verbose --progress --stats --recursive --times --perms --links \ /media/richard/jessie8-6-sda6/ /media/richard/backups/jessie8-6-sda6/ I got a similar error message to last time (i.e. 'file not

Re: rsync error -- "Protocol incompatibility" Why?

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/28/2018 08:08 AM, David wrote: On 28 May 2018 at 22:47, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: But that raises another question. Why does error message identify a protocol problem after having correctly identified the problem as "No such file or directory". man r

Re: rsync error -- "Protocol incompatibility" Why?

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/28/2018 07:15 AM, David wrote: On 28 May 2018 at 22:07, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: I had used rsync to back up a different partition with no problems. I used that command as a model to attempt to backup another partition. root@debian-jan13:~# root@debian-jan13:~#

Re: rsync error -- "Protocol incompatibility" Why?

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/28/2018 07:15 AM, likcoras wrote: On 05/28/2018 09:07 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I had used rsync to back up a different partition with no problems. I used that command as a model to attempt to backup another partition. root@debian-jan13:~# root@debian-jan13:~# rsync --verbose

rsync error -- "Protocol incompatibility" Why?

2018-05-28 Thread Richard Owlett
I had used rsync to back up a different partition with no problems. I used that command as a model to attempt to backup another partition. root@debian-jan13:~# root@debian-jan13:~# rsync --verbose --progress --stats --recursive --times --perms --links /media/root/drescued_commo/

Re: MATE Temperature Sensor applet on Stretch

2018-05-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/23/2018 04:25 PM, David wrote: On 23 May 2018 at 20:45, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: Today I searched Synaptic for "mate sensors" and then installed "MATE Sensors Applet". It runs. HOWEVER, seven of the twelve values displayed are 0 degrees C

MATE Temperature Sensor applet on Stretch

2018-05-23 Thread Richard Owlett
Some time back on a different laptop and an older release (Wheezy???) I had run something which displayed temperatures on the Panel. Today I searched Synaptic for "mate sensors" and then installed "MATE Sensors Applet". It runs. HOWEVER, seven of the twelve values displayed are 0 degrees C.

Re: Problems installing AMD64 Debian

2018-05-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/16/2018 01:01 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Owlett composed on 2018-05-16 12:15 (UTC-0500): My first question, is a ThinkPad T510 having a Intel i5 processor capable of running it. The netinst appeared to run. I comes up. But neither the standard 32 bit version of SeaMonkey nor

Problems installing AMD64 Debian

2018-05-16 Thread Richard Owlett
My first question, is a ThinkPad T510 having a Intel i5 processor capable of running it. The netinst appeared to run. I comes up. But neither the standard 32 bit version of SeaMonkey nor a late beta of a 64bit version will launch. The only know atypical choice was to not allow the installer

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/16/2018 12:36 AM, John Crawley wrote: On 2018-05-15 22:24, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/15/2018 12:48 AM, John Crawley (johnraff) wrote: Policykit brings its own complications, but I think it should be possible to create a .pkla file in /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority to allow

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/15/2018 07:37 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-05-15, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: To block a group, I think you'd have to use a packet filter to drop their outgoing packets. Take a look at http://ipset.netfilter.org/iptables-extensions.man.html under the heading

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/15/2018 12:48 AM, John Crawley (johnraff) wrote: On 2018-05-14 16:56, Joe wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:43:55 -0500 If your micro-installation contains them, gksu and gksudo are graphical equivalents of su and sudo. I start Synaptic from a menu entry, which uses gksudo. gksu is now

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/14/2018 07:40 PM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 14 May 2018 at 08:01:05 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: Only 1 of the four machines within arm's reach are physically capable of connecting to the internet. Is there a way to block internet access for members of one group - similar to how

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-14 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/14/2018 02:13 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 02:51:49PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/13/2018 09:26 AM, bw wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2018, Richard Owlett wrote: The result I wish to achieve is to click on the icon

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-14 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/14/2018 02:56 AM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2018 14:43:55 -0500 Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: Is "sudo" and cousins an appropriate tool? I would have said so. In order to make changes to a computer, both GParted and Synaptic (and aptitude, apt-get etc.

Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation?

2018-05-14 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/14/2018 06:42 AM, dft wrote: When clean-installing Debian 9.4 from "debian-9.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" using the text-based interface, the following dialog appears. | Software selection | | At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. | To tune the system to your needs, you can

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/13/2018 09:26 AM, bw wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2018, Richard Owlett wrote: The result I wish to achieve is to click on the icon for either GParted or Synaptic *WITHOUT* being asked for a password (either root's or user's). I've found vague hints that adding a line to my local /etc

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/13/2018 09:09 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 08:18:26AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: The underlying problem is not understanding what I read concerning sudo &/or /etc/sudoers (*INCLUDING* man pages). Only

Re: Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/13/2018 09:12 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: On 13/05/2018 18:48, Richard Owlett wrote: The underlying problem is not understanding what I read concerning sudo &/or /etc/sudoers (*INCLUDING* man pages). Only *ONE* individual has physical access to my _personal_ machine. There

Running GParted and Synaptic without entering password

2018-05-13 Thread Richard Owlett
The underlying problem is not understanding what I read concerning sudo &/or /etc/sudoers (*INCLUDING* man pages). Only *ONE* individual has physical access to my _personal_ machine. Therefore, any distinction between 'richard' and 'root' is inherently artificial. The result I wish to

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/12/2018 12:50 PM, Tixy wrote: On Sat, 2018-05-12 at 13:28 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: Another hierarchy in Linux not to sync is /system for the same reason you don't sync /proc. Presumably you meant /sys ? Basically, the OP probably don't want to try and sync mount points for things

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/12/2018 12:48 PM, Hans wrote: Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2018, 19:37:40 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett: Please note, the directory is NOT /system, it is /sys. Juda got a little typo. :) I won't complain too much. Otherwise peuple will start talking about mine ;/ However, I would avoid /proc

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/12/2018 12:28 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: Another hierarchy in Linux not to sync is /system for the same reason you don't sync /proc. thank you.

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/12/2018 10:47 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote: You should not sync /proc. it's not normal directory Eero Thank you.

rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
In another thread it was suggested that I use:> rsync -avzh --delete -n I tried it and got ~200 error messages of form: file has vanished: "/proc/10/exe" file has vanished: "/proc/10/task/10/exe" file has vanished: "/proc/101/exe" file has vanished: "/proc/101/task/101/exe"

Re: SUCCESS!!!! - was {Re: Backup problem using "cp"}

2018-05-11 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/11/2018 02:47 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 11/05/2018 à 19:54, Richard Owlett a écrit : I posted after having purged my system of the offending and was writing from memory. I believe there were two source directories     /home/richard/.local/share/Trash/expunged/73080846/grub2

Re: SUCCESS!!!! - was {Re: Backup problem using "cp"}

2018-05-11 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/11/2018 12:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: [rofl] I suspect, if we could get Richard to talk, that he too was a nerd before the word was invented. Maybe, but he got a later start... ROFL My father was an EE, My mother an RN Married day before Pearl Harbor nuff said ;/

Re: SUCCESS!!!! - was {Re: Backup problem using "cp"}

2018-05-11 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/11/2018 09:46 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 11/05/2018 à 14:59, Richard Owlett a écrit : On 05/06/2018 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm attempting to backup current partition  to a USB connected 1 TB drive. I get: root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# cp -ax / "/media/richard

Re: SUCCESS!!!! - was {Re: Backup problem using "cp"}

2018-05-11 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/11/2018 10:28 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-05-11, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: On 05/11/2018 08:13 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 07:59:30AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/06/2018 09:22 AM, Richard

Re: SUCCESS!!!! - was {Re: Backup problem using "cp"}

2018-05-11 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/11/2018 08:13 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 07:59:30AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/06/2018 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] I've been introduced to many commands and some of the "logic" of the

SUCCESS!!!! - was {Re: Backup problem using "cp"}

2018-05-11 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/06/2018 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm attempting to backup current partition  to a USB connected 1 TB drive. I get: root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC backups/dev_sda14/" cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/MISC backups/dev_sda14/home/richard/.l

THANK YOU - was {Re: Documentation of "history" command}

2018-05-11 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/11/2018 06:50 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: When I search man-pages.debian.org I get only a page in Chinese(?). The best hit I get doing a web search is  [http://www.tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/x1712.htm] There is a plethora questions/answers, but too narrowly focused. They do

Documentation of "history" command

2018-05-11 Thread Richard Owlett
When I search man-pages.debian.org I get only a page in Chinese(?). The best hit I get doing a web search is [http://www.tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/x1712.htm] There is a plethora questions/answers, but too narrowly focused. They do display it's potential power. Suggestions? TIA

Re: STRANGE problem reaching https://manpages.debian.org/

2018-05-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/10/2018 10:05 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: [..] I've the "Firefox ESR" that was installed by default. It loaded https://manpages.debian.org/ OK. I don't know if it has JavaScript enabled nor do I know how to check. Don't know how to verify its version either

Re: STRANGE problem reaching https://manpages.debian.org/

2018-05-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/10/2018 08:41 AM, Nathaniel Suchy (Lunorian) wrote: It loads perfectly and quickly on both Firefox and Tor Browser Bundle. There was just a post on mozilla.support.seamonkey about a apparently different problem. [STOP button being inoperative on a site] A reply said: It seems that

Re: STRANGE problem reaching https://manpages.debian.org/

2018-05-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/10/2018 07:35 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I'm running Debian 9 installed via netinst in February with some packages added via Synaptic and run neither Update nor Upgrade explicitly. My browser is SeaMonkey 2.49.1 downloaded from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ . I

STRANGE problem reaching https://manpages.debian.org/

2018-05-10 Thread Richard Owlett
I'm running Debian 9 installed via netinst in February with some packages added via Synaptic and run neither Update nor Upgrade explicitly. My browser is SeaMonkey 2.49.1 downloaded from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ . I have no add-ins/add-ons/extensions/etc installed. I routinely

Re: Distinguishing among [unmount, Safely Remove Drive, Eject]

2018-05-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/08/2018 02:09 PM, Brian wrote: On Sun 06 May 2018 at 07:27:17 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm running Debian 9 with MATE. My observed symptoms were initially observed related to what choices given when right clicking on the icon associated with a partition. Are you at liberty to talk

Re: Distinguishing among [unmount, Safely Remove Drive, Eject]

2018-05-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/06/2018 09:42 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/06/2018 09:26 AM, Brian wrote: On Sun 06 May 2018 at 15:53:05 +1200, Richard Hector wrote: On 06/05/18 07:35, Brian wrote: On Sat 05 May 2018 at 11:06:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: What are the distinguishing features of unmount, Safely

Re: Running of rrequested tests - [was Re: Backup problem using "cp"]

2018-05-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/08/2018 09:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2018-05-08 at 13:48, Richard Owlett wrote: [massive SNIP] What method are you using to delete it? Moving directory to trash and then emptying the trash with MATE's graphical tools. If you haven't already, I'd recommend trying 'rm -r', *very

Re: Running of rrequested tests - [was Backup problem using "cp"]

2018-05-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/08/2018 03:22 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: I couldn't interpret what I was seeing so below are excerpts of what was captured by script command. It is hard to understand what "script" wants to tell us. "less" would have been more us

Re: Running of rrequested tests - [was Re: Backup problem using "cp"]

2018-05-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/08/2018 10:38 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2018-05-08 at 11:10, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/07/2018 07:01 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: richard@debian-jan13:~$ stat / | fgrep Device Device: 80eh/2062d Inode: 2 Links: 22 richard@debian-jan13:~$ stat

Re: Running of rrequested tests - [was Backup problem using "cp"]

2018-05-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/08/2018 10:38 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: [snip] Something could be wrong with the input tree instead. Especially around file "grub2 problem-2018-02-13". What do you get from ls -lR /home/richard/.local/share/Trash/expunged/1449727740/"grub2 problem-2018-02-13" 2>&1 | less This could

Running of rrequested tests - [was Re: Backup problem using "cp"]

2018-05-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/07/2018 07:01 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: richard@debian-jan13:~$ stat / | fgrep Device Device: 80eh/2062d Inode: 2 Links: 22 richard@debian-jan13:~$ stat /media | fgrep Device Device: 80eh/2062d Inode: 131073 Links: 5 "/

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

2018-05-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/07/2018 08:54 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 08/05/18 00:55, David Griffith wrote: On May 7, 2018 4:31:16 AM PDT, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: On 05/06/2018 10:11 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: Thought I was doing that by specifying -x. Either

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

2018-05-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/07/2018 08:49 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Andy Smith wrote: It would still be good to establish why "cp -x" was seemingly able to cross filesystem boundaries as that would be a bug. Yep. Leaving behind too many maybe-bugs can make the ground swampy. I forgot to mention that the

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

2018-05-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/07/2018 08:24 AM, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 07:51:23AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I'll likely abandon further immediate investigation of cp. I've other projects to complete It would still be good to establish why "cp -x" was seemingly able to cross

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

2018-05-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/07/2018 08:28 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: My goal was to copy root and its sub-directory to a directory on another physical device. Well understood. In a slightly different scenario (backup on Blu-ray) i do this several times per day. But i would not dare

Re: A long rant on Debian 9

2018-05-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/07/2018 08:07 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: [snip]> It sounds like you un-checked the specific desktop environments (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, etc.) but left "Debian desktop environment" selected. I honestly have no idea what happens in that case. I always un-check that one. The only Tasks I select

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

2018-05-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/07/2018 07:55 AM, David Griffith wrote: On May 7, 2018 4:31:16 AM PDT, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: On 05/06/2018 10:11 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: Thought I was doing that by specifying -x. Either cp -x has a bug or the target dir

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