Re: Backup problem using "cp"

On 05/07/2018 07:01 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: richard@debian-jan13:~$ stat / | fgrep Device Device: 80eh/2062d Inode: 2 Links: 22 richard@debian-jan13:~$ stat /media | fgrep Device Device: 80eh/2062d Inode: 131073 Links: 5 "/

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

On 05/07/2018 06:54 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: [...] I suspect long term I want "rsync" [ *MUCH* reading to do! ] Perhaps; although depending on the source / target pathing, you may run into the same length issues. 1st - I suspect that --exclude will eliminat

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

On 05/06/2018 10:11 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: Thought I was doing that by specifying -x. Either cp -x has a bug or the target directory is not in a different filesystem than "/" and not a mount point of such a filesystem. Check the device numbers of "

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

On 05/06/2018 10:38 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 06/05/2018 à 16:22, Richard Owlett a écrit : I'm attempting to backup current partition  to a USB connected 1 TB drive. I get: root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC backups/dev_sda14/" cp: cannot stat '/med

Re: Backup problem using "cp"

On 05/06/2018 09:33 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC backups/dev_sda14/" cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/MISC ... File name too long You tell cp to copy / including its sub tree /media/richard/... which is the target of the copy p

Re: Distinguishing among [unmount, Safely Remove Drive, Eject]

On 05/06/2018 09:26 AM, Brian wrote: On Sun 06 May 2018 at 15:53:05 +1200, Richard Hector wrote: On 06/05/18 07:35, Brian wrote: On Sat 05 May 2018 at 11:06:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: What are the distinguishing features of unmount, Safely Remove Drive, and Eject? There are none

Re: Distinguishing among [unmount, Safely Remove Drive, Eject]

On 05/06/2018 09:19 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:07:50AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/06/2018 08:30 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:05:19AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 06, 2018 08:11:25 AM Reco wrote: Hi

Backup problem using "cp"

I'm attempting to backup current partition to a USB connected 1 TB drive. I get: root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# cp -ax / "/media/richard/MISC backups/dev_sda14/" cp: cannot stat '/media/richard/MISC backups/dev_sda14/home/richard/.local/share/Trash/expunged/73080846/grub2

Re: Distinguishing among [unmount, Safely Remove Drive, Eject]

On 05/06/2018 08:30 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 09:05:19AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 06, 2018 08:11:25 AM Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, May 06, 2018 at 07:51:24AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote:

Re: Distinguishing among [unmount, Safely Remove Drive, Eject]

On 05/06/2018 06:51 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 06, 2018 07:10:53 AM Reco wrote: Certain Modern Desktop Environment™ is known for its effort to "simplify the things for the user". Some may even say that it's "dumbing down things". For the uninitiated (or old) among us, care

Re: Distinguishing among [unmount, Safely Remove Drive, Eject]

On 05/06/2018 06:23 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sat, 05 May 2018, Richard Owlett wrote: What are the distinguishing features of unmount, Safely Remove Drive, and Eject? Usually it goes like this: unmount: exactly what it says. Likely operates only on a single filesystem

Distinguishing among [unmount, Safely Remove Drive, Eject]

What are the distinguishing features of unmount, Safely Remove Drive, and Eject? The question is prompted by observing that for partitions on USB flash drives which have been auto-mounted, one or both of the last two are listed when clicking on the icon associated with a partition. For a hard

Re: Debian home security programs?

On 05/04/2018 12:09 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi everyone, I am wondering, given how flexible Debian can be, if this idea is possible? If it does not already exist? I now live  in an apartment  above a business that closes very early. One thing I miss from my old dwelling  is a sort of

Re: Debian mirror problem? was [Re: Debian glossary?]

On 05/03/2018 12:28 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 03 May 2018 at 09:27:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] My interpretation is that on my original visit I saw a defective mirror. If a similar symptom appears in the future, is there any way to determine which mirror I'm seeing? I use Firefox

Re: Debian mirror problem? was [Re: Debian glossary?]

On 05/03/2018 01:17 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 03 May 2018 at 09:27:52 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/30/2018 07:28 PM, David Wright wrote: [*SNIP*] I only saw a misunderstanding of how man pages impart information. [*SNIP*] On 04/30/2018 09:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote

Re: Debian glossary?

On 04/30/2018 10:02 AM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 30 Apr 2018 at 06:46:01 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] Comments? Sure. You turn to page 108 of Running Linux 5th ed and read it there. Don't have it? Download it. Type running-linux-5th-2006.pdf into google and it's the first hit

Debian mirror problem? was [Re: Debian glossary?]

On 04/30/2018 07:28 PM, David Wright wrote: [*SNIP*] I only saw a misunderstanding of how man pages impart information. [*SNIP*] On 04/30/2018 09:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: The relevant line of the HTML of https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/coreutils/ls.1.en.html is GNU coreutils online

Re: Debian glossary?

On 04/30/2018 11:58 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 30 Apr 2018 at 09:27:02 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] You have identified a documentation bug! No, I haven't. You may think *you* have, but you haven't. The relevant line of the HTML of https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/coreutils/ls.1

Re: Debian glossary?

On 04/30/2018 12:12 PM, Brian wrote: On Mon 30 Apr 2018 at 10:01:13 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/30/2018 08:38 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, April 30, 2018 09:06:09 AM Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] A partial solution might include "Summer of Documentation" projects

Re: Debian glossary?

On 04/30/2018 08:38 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, April 30, 2018 09:06:09 AM Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] A partial solution might include "Summer of Documentation" projects along side of "Summer of Code". Yes, or encouraging people to contribute to HowT

Re: Debian glossary?

On 04/30/2018 08:20 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 30 Apr 2018 at 06:46:01 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Debian documentation NOT written for hoi polloi. Strong words. BUT true! [...] Output of "ls -Rdl /media/richard/rco1" is "drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 28 23:49 /med

Re: Debian glossary?

ared hard disk space on another machine to avoid attempting to use a flash drive as a debootstrap target. Sometimes automount and cousins are convenient. Other times %@%$^$!*() ;/ On Monday, April 30, 2018 08:23:43 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, April 30, 2018 07:46:01 AM Richard O

Re: Debian glossary?

On 04/30/2018 07:23 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, April 30, 2018 07:46:01 AM Richard Owlett wrote: Debian documentation NOT written for hoi polloi. ... Man pages by their nature/purpose assume a certain level of expertise. They can be daunting for the uninitiated. Comments

Debian glossary?

Debian documentation NOT written for hoi polloi. I've been trying to debug my usage of debootstrap. Therefore been reading many man pages - often with incomplete comprehension. E.G. In reply to one of my questions a gentleman replied with the proper syntax for one command. He followed it with

Re: [Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/29/2018 07:11 AM, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Richard, On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 06:43:42AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/29/2018 12:59 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/28/2018 10:57 PM, Kushal Kumaran wrote: You can try it out to verify after you fix the mount options to not include nodev

Re: [Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/29/2018 12:59 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/28/2018 10:57 PM, Kushal Kumaran wrote: Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> writes: On 04/27/2018 12:06 PM, Felix Dietrich wrote: [SNIP] Script started on Fri 27 Apr 2018 02:22:42 PM CDT ls -Rdl /media/root/rco1 ls -Rdl /us

Re: [Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/28/2018 10:57 PM, Kushal Kumaran wrote: Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> writes: On 04/27/2018 12:06 PM, Felix Dietrich wrote: [SNIP] Do not specify „--print-debs” if you want „debootstrap” to install the packages. *BINGO* Proofreading one's own work is intrinsically

Re: [Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/27/2018 09:54 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, April 27, 2018 10:16:22 AM Richard Owlett wrote: I thought I was doing that. My TARGET is "/media/richard/rco" where "rco" is the label of a partition on the flash drive. Just chiming in from left fie

Taming automount and cousins

Environment: Debian stable with MATE desktop Facts of Life: Some actions are much more convenient in a GUI Some actions require root password but may be performed by user Some actions have different results, if while user or root logged in e.g. if USB device inserted while root is

Re: [Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/27/2018 12:06 PM, Felix Dietrich wrote: [SNIP] Do not specify „--print-debs” if you want „debootstrap” to install the packages. *BINGO* Proofreading one's own work is intrinsically error prone ;/ But it doesn't solve all my problems. Captured the session with SCRIPT(1). I haven't

Re: [Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/27/2018 08:49 AM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: QUESTION: Has anyone personally used debootstrap to install to a flash drive? I do install in a directory and then copy the content to the flash drive then chroot and make it bootable I was installing to the flash drive because

Re: [Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/27/2018 08:00 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: ... QUESTION: Has anyone personally used debootstrap to install to a flash drive? not yet... :) i'm currently having other bigger fish to fry... My environment is: OS is i386 Debian stable DVD is DVD-1 of Debian

Re: [Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/27/2018 06:38 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Doing: debootstrap --verbose --arch=i386 --include=apt-get --variant=minbase --no-check-gpg --print-debs --keep-debootstrap-dir stable /media/richard/rco file:media/cdrom0/debian/ generates no error messages. HOWEVER, very few files

[Progress Report1] Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/25/2018 09:19 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: My goal is a very minimalist install to a flash drive. It will NOT have GRUB - GRUB on this machine is on a dedicated partition for convenience in some of my experiments. From reading several references I believe my command should

Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/26/2018 02:43 PM, Henning Follmann wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 08:02:38PM +0200, deloptes wrote: Henning Follmann wrote: Happy to read the man page to you buddy. -H while I can understand your feeling quite well, I had to teach myself either to ignore affecting questions or to

Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/26/2018 02:39 PM, Felix Dietrich wrote: deloptes writes: its better you give example in such case debootstrap [OPTION...] stable /mypath/to/target/installation file:///DVD1 this is how I understand it, correct if I'm wrong Almost: as has been stated elsewhere in

Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/25/2018 11:03 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: ... I meant a script(1) session. Sorry. But I bet screen also has some logging capabilities, if you want to do it that way. As the man page says: It is useful for students who need a hardcopy record of an interactive session as proof of an

Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/25/2018 10:47 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 06:45:32PM +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:19:13 -0500 Richard Owlett said: I have two questions: 1. What should replace "" as I'll be using DVD1 of Debian 9.1.0 as my &

Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/25/2018 10:45 AM, Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:19:13 -0500 Richard Owlett said: I have two questions: 1. What should replace "" as I'll be using DVD1 of Debian 9.1.0 as my "repository"? 2. As I expect the console display may ex

Re: Using debootstrap

On 04/25/2018 10:12 AM, Henning Follmann wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:19:13AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: My goal is a very minimalist install to a flash drive. It will NOT have GRUB - GRUB on this machine is on a dedicated partition for convenience in some of my experiments. From

Using debootstrap

My goal is a very minimalist install to a flash drive. It will NOT have GRUB - GRUB on this machine is on a dedicated partition for convenience in some of my experiments. From reading several references I believe my command should be: debootstrap --arch=i386 --include=apt-get

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

On 04/23/2018 03:38 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote: When I recently wanted a *truly* Minimal Debian 8 system (so I could study systemd from the ground up), I installed from the "netinst" CD, with the Ethernet Cable disconnected. It gave me Exactly what I was looking for, took little space, and I

Re: DEBOOTSTRAP or GRML-DEBOOTSTRAP more suitable?

On 04/15/2018 03:58 PM, Brian wrote: On Sun 15 Apr 2018 at 14:19:50 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/15/2018 12:43 PM, Brian wrote: On Sun 15 Apr 2018 at 08:55:45 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: What are the trade-offs of choosing between debootstrap and grml-debootstap? I understand

Re: DEBOOTSTRAP or GRML-DEBOOTSTRAP more suitable?

On 04/15/2018 02:32 PM, Forest Dean Feighner wrote: Could you skip all that and use something like busybox or buildroot? I hadn't recalled either at the moment. Busybox might have an edge as it in the Debian repository {and I even have it installed - will have to investigate why I installed

Re: DEBOOTSTRAP or GRML-DEBOOTSTRAP more suitable?

On 04/15/2018 12:43 PM, Brian wrote: On Sun 15 Apr 2018 at 08:55:45 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to do an _*EXTREMELY*_ minimalist install of Debian to a USB flash drive (aka /dev/sdb1) assuming use as a MBR device. I currently use the i386 flavor of Stretch. My hardware allows

Re: DEBOOTSTRAP or GRML-DEBOOTSTRAP more suitable?

On 04/15/2018 12:30 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I wish to do an _*EXTREMELY*_ minimalist install of Debian to a USB flash drive (aka /dev/sdb1) assuming use as a MBR device. if you just want to boot in your system, then you take only the boot directory - this is the simplest

Re: create large ISO installation image

On 04/15/2018 11:02 AM, Frank Hall wrote: I'm looking to create a large ISO installation image. I will write the image to a large USB stick to use as installation media. Therefore, I may as well include all packages. How do I assemble such an image? I've read the manpage of build-simple-cdd

DEBOOTSTRAP or GRML-DEBOOTSTRAP more suitable?

I wish to do an _*EXTREMELY*_ minimalist install of Debian to a USB flash drive (aka /dev/sdb1) assuming use as a MBR device. I currently use the i386 flavor of Stretch. My hardware allows choosing to boot from a flash drive. I suspect that if using deboostrap the closest I can come is using

Clarification of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide" Section 4.3.3.2

I wish to 'manually copy files to the USB stick — the flexible way'. I will be using either debian-9.4.0-i386-netinst.iso or a purchased DVD-1 of Debian 9.1.0 Section 4.3.3.2 says in part: Mount the partition (mount /dev/sdX1 /mnt) and copy the following installer image files to the

Re: Debian 9 sucks really badly

On 03/24/2018 01:26 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 02:51:27PM +, Brad Rogers wrote: Why is anybody replying to this? It's quite clearly a drive-by complaint. The OP is *not* going to listen to advice or hear offers of help. They won't get them - they're not subbed

Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet

On 03/21/2018 04:51 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 3/21/18 5:25 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/21/2018 03:38 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 3/21/18 12:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On 21/03/18 01:00 AM

Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet

On 03/21/2018 03:47 PM, Brian wrote: On Wed 21 Mar 2018 at 12:05:53 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies. Imagine popping down to the local pub for a

Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet

On 03/21/2018 03:38 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 3/21/18 12:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: My problem with "social networks" is that they're

Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet

On 03/21/2018 11:05 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 3/21/18 11:48 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On 21/03/18 01:00 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: My problem with "social networks" is that they're monopolies. Imagine popping down to the local pub for a pint and a bit of conversation, only to find that

Re: Debian stretch -- Installation Guide?

On 03/20/2018 06:04 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote: On Monday, 19 March 2018 16:43:21 CET Richard Owlett wrote: It's better, but with an HTML document I can simply coerce the document to display with a comfortably readable font and I find the existence of functional internal links extremely useful

[SOLVED] Re: Debian stretch -- Installation Guide?

On 03/19/2018 10:48 AM, Felix Miata wrote: to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2018-03-19 15:57 (UTC+0100): On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 09:47:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Is "Debian stretch -- Installation Guide" available as a single downloadable HTML file? I find <https://w

Re: Debian stretch -- Installation Guide?

On 03/19/2018 09:57 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 09:47:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Is "Debian stretch -- Installation Guide" available as a single downloadable HTML file? I find <https://www.debian.org/re

Re: More then 2800 spams from the list...

On 03/19/2018 10:07 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 3/19/18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:40:10AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 19 March 2018 09:14:19 Jonathan Dowland wrote: This does not belong on

Re: More then 2800 spams from the list...

On 03/19/2018 09:40 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 19 March 2018 09:14:19 Jonathan Dowland wrote: This does not belong on debian-user (and indeed posting it will only make matters worse for you and us) Jonathon, why berate the poor user for what may your servers malperformance, which

Debian stretch -- Installation Guide?

Is "Debian stretch -- Installation Guide" available as a single downloadable HTML file? I find unwieldy in my personal situation. TIA

Re: Finding image file underlying an icon on Mate desktop

On 03/15/2018 11:45 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-03-14, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: Is there a way? [for current application creating a new icon will be simple] [finding the old icon would be convenient] It seems right-clicking on the desktop and selecting “Change D

Re: Finding image file underlying an icon on Mate desktop

On 03/14/2018 07:30 PM, Frank M wrote: On 03/14/2018 06:30 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote: On 2018-03-14, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: Several months ago I needed a fully custom desktop icon for a shortcut. I had no trouble creating an appropriate png file and having it display.

Re: Finding image file underlying an icon on Mate desktop

On 03/14/2018 05:30 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote: On 2018-03-14, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: Several months ago I needed a fully custom desktop icon for a shortcut. I had no trouble creating an appropriate png file and having it display. Now I need a similar icon.

Finding image file underlying an icon on Mate desktop

Several months ago I needed a fully custom desktop icon for a shortcut. I had no trouble creating an appropriate png file and having it display. Now I need a similar icon. I went to the properties of the shortcut expecting to be able to discover the location of the image used. I could not.

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

On 03/13/2018 07:59 PM, Albretch Mueller wrote: [snip] No! A functional language! Object oriented languages are wrong! Linear types FTW! Multi-paradigm! Strongly typed! Dynamically typed -- no, statically typed! In fact, it will just be an introduction, but I want to teach them to be

Re: Debian v.9.2.1 DVDs - how long are they good for?

On 03/14/2018 04:15 AM, Joe wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 23:20:30 + Brian wrote: On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 22:11:58 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: I downloaded some Debian v.9.2.1 DVDs and I would like Not today you didn't. It's 9.4.0 now. Brian, did you bother to read

An FYI Re: AppArmor permissions to create a specific directory

On 03/11/2018 12:56 PM, André Rodier wrote: [snip] I reached a point I am satisfied, but I have an issue with AppArmor some experts may know how to solve. [snip] There is also an AppArmor mailing list In April 2016 I had sent an email to

Re: A recomended guide to vim - was {Re: Does bash have a tool ?}

On 03/07/2018 03:05 PM, Curt wrote: On 2018-03-07, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: On 03/05/2018 04:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/04/2018 11:27 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-03-04, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: My eventual goal is to create a pers

A recomended guide to vim - was {Re: Does bash have a tool ?}

On 03/05/2018 04:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/04/2018 11:27 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-03-04, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: My eventual goal is to create a personalized FAQ. To that end I've collected all my outgoing mail which DOES NOT have "Re:" in the Subje

Re: Does bash have a tool ?

On 03/04/2018 11:27 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-03-04, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: My eventual goal is to create a personalized FAQ. To that end I've collected all my outgoing mail which DOES NOT have "Re:" in the Subject into a single file {used standard SeaMonke

Re: Does bash have a tool ?

On 03/04/2018 09:28 PM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Do youngsters here recognize they are being teased? a KSR-35 wrote/read paper tape a 026 punched Hollerith(sp?) cards We'll leave to their anemic imagination what "high speed paper tape" might be! *ROFL* You're

Re: Does bash have a tool ?

On 03/04/2018 11:40 PM, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 04.03.18 10:28, Richard Owlett wrote: I don't have any background in Perl and the last formal course in programming was in the 60's. However awk and/or sed may be what I'm looking for and are well documented. Your description of nedit

Re: Does bash have a tool ?

On 03/04/2018 06:51 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 04 Mar 2018 at 12:14:36 (-0600), John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: I don't have any background in Perl and the last formal course in programming was in the 60's. Perl is just bash, ed, sed, awk, grep, etc all smushed together

Re: Does bash have a tool ?

On 03/04/2018 08:18 PM, Richard Hector wrote: [snip ;] You youngsters. KSR-35 and 026 are my speed ;} A KSR-35 seems to be a sniper rifle ... Ah, but an IBM 026 might be a key punch? So I guess the KSR-35 is for punching paper tape at a distance. Communication was primitive in those days,

An answer - was [Re: Does bash have a tool ?]

On 03/04/2018 09:26 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: My eventual goal is to create a personalized FAQ. To that end I've collected all my outgoing mail which DOES NOT have "Re:" in the Subject into a single file {used standard SeaMonkey tools}. Using a text editor's search function I've pl

Re: Does bash have a tool ?

On 03/04/2018 11:02 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 04, 2018 11:28:55 AM Richard Owlett wrote: I don't have any background in Perl and the last formal course in programming was in the 60's. Mine was very early 70's ('71) However awk and/or sed may be what I'm looking

Re: Does bash have a tool ?

On 03/04/2018 10:02 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 04, 2018 10:26:51 AM Richard Owlett wrote: First I need to eliminate the irrelevant text between "KEY2" of the previous message and "KEY1" of the message of interest. It should be straight f

Does bash have a tool ?

My eventual goal is to create a personalized FAQ. To that end I've collected all my outgoing mail which DOES NOT have "Re:" in the Subject into a single file {used standard SeaMonkey tools}. Using a text editor's search function I've placed "KEY1" at the beginning of the body of each message.

Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

On 02/28/2018 09:34 AM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 28 Feb 2018 at 09:12:43 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: On 02/28/2018 08:09 AM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Taking [ alias startx='clear; startx -- :0' ] as a hint I looked for a man page for "alias". There wasn't one

Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

On 02/28/2018 08:09 AM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Taking [ alias startx='clear; startx -- :0' ] as a hint I looked for a man page for "alias". There wasn't one available locally. I searched <https://manpages.debian.org/> and found only a page written in C

Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

On 02/28/2018 12:32 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote: [snip] There are three users on my system.  Myself, my wife and my daughter. When the system is booted we each log on and run startx.  I log onfrom tty1, my wife and daughter are on tty2 and tty3.  All it takes to switch from one login to another is

fvwm -- undeserved BAD PRESS

I have days (e actually hours) of experience with fvwm. Experts () are telling me that significant mods to config files *MANDATORY*. bull!! Can tweaking config file(s) be profitable? -- Sure! Are they necessary? -- *NO WAY*! The more I ask for meek user info (and receive

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

On 02/26/2018 01:24 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me? Without any customization by anybody it is quite useless. *ROFL* It may have aesthetic problems. BUT My real world needs (not glittzy desires) were handled

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

On 02/26/2018 12:12 PM, Curt wrote: On 2018-02-26, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: Ahh, but a Flocken Elektrowagen might today may be more functional in some circumstances than a Rolls Royce. http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/programming/useful/fvwm/index.html

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

On 02/26/2018 10:54 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hi, Am 2018-02-26 hackte Richard Owlett in die Tasten: I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: e.g. <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html> I'm using almost a default install changing only the wal

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

On 02/26/2018 10:32 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 02/26/2018 09:23 AM, David Wright wrote: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/02/msg00752.html Two of the references there were straightforward to use when I posted this, but now you'll have to temporarily accept

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

On 02/26/2018 10:17 AM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Already had them bookmarked. They, like <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html>, might be compared to an _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an _Operator's Manual_. The target audience

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

On 02/26/2018 09:23 AM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 08:15:44 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: e.g. <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html> I'm using almost a default install changing only the wal

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

On 02/26/2018 08:54 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html That's a quick tour through a few gestures of fvwm. Maybe it gives you some ideas for playing with the configuration. But obviously you want something different. "not s

An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: e.g. I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the default font size for menus. I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only a case of "not

Re: Problems with wget

On 02/26/2018 06:50 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 06:40:02AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm attempting to download a site which is an instruction manual. Its URL is of the form http://example.com/index.html That page has

Problems with wget

I'm attempting to download a site which is an instruction manual. Its URL is of the form http://example.com/index.html That page has several lines whose target URLs are of form http://example.com/page1.html http://example.com/page2.html http://example.com/page3.html etc. I wish a

[RESOLVED] -- Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

On 02/23/2018 05:46 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: History I run MATE, but to paraphrase a restaurant - "I want Debian MyWay" ;) It was suggested that I wanted what KDE calls "activities". It looked promising. I installed it. It suffers from featuritis. fvwm-crystal was also sugge

Re: Problem using "apt-get update"

On 02/24/2018 12:02 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Owlett composed on 2018-02-24 10:48 (UTC-0600): I had just done a minimal (command line only) install of Stretch from the first DVD of the complete set rather than using netinst to conserve bandwidth. The install as usual was successful. I

Re: Problem using "apt-get update"

On 02/24/2018 12:01 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 24 Feb 2018 at 11:55:29 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: On 02/24/2018 11:08 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:06:53AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: On 02/24/2018 10:56 AM, John Hasler wrote: Verbatim command apt-get update

Re: Problem using "apt-get update"

On 02/24/2018 11:08 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:06:53AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: On 02/24/2018 10:56 AM, John Hasler wrote: Verbatim command apt-get update (as per <https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apt/apt-get.8.en.html>) verbatim message The m

Re: Problem using "apt-get update"

On 02/24/2018 10:56 AM, John Hasler wrote: Verbatim command apt-get update (as per ) verbatim message The message started a recognizable abbreviation of "ignored". For a character perfect quote - where would it be logged? and

Problem using "apt-get update"

I had just done a minimal (command line only) install of Stretch from the first DVD of the complete set rather than using netinst to conserve bandwidth. The install as usual was successful. I wish to install a package from the repository - it's not on DVD1. I added the line deb

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

On 02/23/2018 09:12 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 02/23/2018 05:46 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: History I run MATE, but to paraphrase a restaurant - "I want Debian MyWay" ;) It was suggested that I wanted what KDE calls "activities". It looked promising. I installed it. It suf

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

On 02/23/2018 05:46 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: History I run MATE, but to paraphrase a restaurant - "I want Debian MyWay" ;) It was suggested that I wanted what KDE calls "activities". It looked promising. I installed it. It suffers from featuritis. fvwm-crystal was also sugge

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