Re: FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-27 Thread Alex Padoly
Hi, The problem is the password in .fecthmailrc is not the passeword of your GMAIL messaging. For GMAIL, fetchmail is an external application, you must generate another password that used only by fetchmail! Now, when fetchmail run, after I can't see my email with my client email (mutt), what I

Re: FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-24 Thread Freeman
as the protocol (though the reason why people want to use POP3 when IMAP is available escapes me). I had problems with fetchmail and gmail pop3. emails would start being missed after undeleted emails hit about 600. By 1000 undeleted emails, nothing was being downloaded. I don't remember if emails

Re: FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-21 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:24:19 +0100, Alex Padoly wrote: How do you do to run fecthmail with gmail with POP3 protocol, I can't it! How do you do to write the file .fetcmailrc. Thanks! Regards. http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=fetchmail+gmail Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-20 Thread Alex Padoly
Hi, How do you do to run fecthmail with gmail with POP3 protocol, I can't it! How do you do to write the file .fetcmailrc. Thanks! Regards. Alex

Re: FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 Dec 2011 at 18:24:19 +0100, Alex Padoly wrote: How do you do to run fecthmail with gmail with POP3 protocol, I can't it! How do you do to write the file .fetcmailrc. This what I have as part of my ~/.fetchmailrc poll pop.googlemail.com protopop3 service 995 user

Re: FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-20 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 20 dec 11, 17:51:10, Brian wrote: On Tue 20 Dec 2011 at 18:24:19 +0100, Alex Padoly wrote: How do you do to run fecthmail with gmail with POP3 protocol, I can't it! How do you do to write the file .fetcmailrc. This what I have as part of my ~/.fetchmailrc poll

Re: FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-20 Thread Walter Hurry
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:26:38 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Ma, 20 dec 11, 17:51:10, Brian wrote: On Tue 20 Dec 2011 at 18:24:19 +0100, Alex Padoly wrote: How do you do to run fecthmail with gmail with POP3 protocol, I can't it! How do you do to write the file .fetcmailrc. This what

Re: FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 Dec 2011 at 23:26:38 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: Just something that might not be obvious in Brian's example: the username must always be your complete e-mail address. I just have the username. Tried it with justfo...@gmail.com and that worked too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: FETCHMAIL AND GMAIL?

2011-12-20 Thread Ashton Fagg
On 21 December 2011 07:26, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: Just something that might not be obvious in Brian's example: the username must always be your complete e-mail address. I have a feeling the fully-qualified address is only required if it's a Google Apps (Gmail for your

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-09-01 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Tue August 25 2009, Chris Jones wrote: but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task.. As another poster hinted, this is another example of the hidden benefits of cloning the Microsoft model. I'm not

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-09-01 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Tue August 25 2009, Micha wrote: what benefit would I get from procmail? 1. The ability to move from kmail to something else if you want without rewriting your rules. good idea.. I like that, especially when testing different email programs. 2. The ability to pull mail without having

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-09-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-09-01 04:45, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Tue August 25 2009, Chris Jones wrote: but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task.. As another poster hinted, this is another example of the hidden benefits of

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-09-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-09-01 04:51, Paul Cartwright wrote: [snip] right now, on my system I have icedove, evolution, kmail, and claws, all setup for my local user. procmail seems to move the mail into an mbox file, and I haven't figured out how to get any email program to read an mbox folder. But you see,

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-09-01 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Tue September 1 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: If your person message store is an mbox file, then I'd: this is the part I can't figure out.. I don't have an mbox setup on kmail, I don't see a way for it to read an mbox folder.. I tried to create an mbox folder in an account, but I don't see any

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-09-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-09-01 05:19, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Tue September 1 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: If your person message store is an mbox file, then I'd: this is the part I can't figure out.. I don't have an mbox setup on kmail, I don't see a way for it to read an mbox folder.. I tried to create an

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-09-01 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 05:51:49 -0400 Paul Cartwright a...@pcartwright.com wrote: On Tue August 25 2009, Micha wrote: what benefit would I get from procmail? 1. The ability to move from kmail to something else if you want without rewriting your rules. good idea.. I like that, especially

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30:03AM -0400, Chris Jones wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57:01PM EDT, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:21 +0300 Micha mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: ... 3. Text file with regular expression based rules that you know where it resides and can back

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-26 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:30:03 -0400 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57:01PM EDT, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:21 +0300 Micha mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: ... 3. Text file with regular expression based rules that you know where it resides

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon,24.Aug.09, 20:56:27, Paul Cartwright wrote: but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task.. maildir (and procmail too as I hear, but I don't like its syntax) is *very* powerful. I recently did a major

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Micha
On 8/24/2009 11:34 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Mon August 24 2009, Micha wrote: Personally I use fetchmail + procmail to fetch and filter my mail I use fetchmail to pull in my mail for all my domain accounts. Kmail pulls it all in via my local user. From there I have many, MANY filters to

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma,25.aug.09, 13:32:21, Micha wrote: On the downside, if you want to explicitly pull mail now, pulling mail from kmail doesn't pull the mail off your accounts, you need to do that explicitly from the command line Not very familiar with kmail, but claws-mail (sylpheed too?) has

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Chris Jones
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:56:27PM EDT, Paul Cartwright wrote: [..] but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task.. As another poster hinted, this is another example of the hidden benefits of cloning the

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-25 13:55, Chris Jones wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:56:27PM EDT, Paul Cartwright wrote: [..] but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task.. As another poster hinted, this is another example

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Chris Jones
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 03:02:44PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-08-25 13:55, Chris Jones wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:56:27PM EDT, Paul Cartwright wrote: [..] but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-25 18:29, Chris Jones wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 03:02:44PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-08-25 13:55, Chris Jones wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:56:27PM EDT, Paul Cartwright wrote: [..] but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 kmail

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:21 +0300 Micha mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On 8/24/2009 11:34 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Mon August 24 2009, Micha wrote: Personally I use fetchmail + procmail to fetch and filter my mail I use fetchmail to pull in my mail for all my domain accounts. Kmail

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:44:57 +0300 Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Ma,25.aug.09, 13:32:21, Micha wrote: On the downside, if you want to explicitly pull mail now, pulling mail from kmail doesn't pull the mail off your accounts, you need to do that explicitly from the

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Chris Jones
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57:01PM EDT, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:21 +0300 Micha mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: ... 3. Text file with regular expression based rules that you know where it resides and can back it up and human read it As the resident Sylpheed fanboy, I must

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 25 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon,24.Aug.09, 20:56:27, Paul Cartwright wrote: but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task.. maildir (and procmail too as I hear, but I don't like its

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-25 23:30, Chris Jones wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57:01PM EDT, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:21 +0300 Micha mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: ... 3. Text file with regular expression based rules that you know where it resides and can back it up and human read it

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Rob Gom
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 2009-08-23 14:09, Rob Gom wrote: Hi all, could anyone explain to me why fetchmail is needed in the first place? Now *this* is an excellent flame! Why do you consider my opinion as flamewar, whereas I only expect

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon,24.Aug.09, 11:37:53, Rob Gom wrote: Maybe I haven't been understood well. My mail provider gives me a password. In mail program I add it to some wallet or let mail program to encrypt it after setting up. If I want to use fetchmail, I have to write it there in plain text (correct me if

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon,24.Aug.09, 11:37:53, Rob Gom wrote: So? Where's the advantage? My mail program fetches mail *for me* from my ISP's POP server, passes it thru any filter (let it be spamassassin), then writes it to separate folders depending on basically anything. Fetchmail, MTA, MDA avoided, whereas

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Micha
... From user's point of view it is something additional. Instead of configuring mail setup in single place (MUA, mail program), one has to set it up both in MUA (retrieve mail from local mail box) and fetchmail configuration file. It's not that difficult. Really. In my (ordinary

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Rob Gom
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Andrei Popescuandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon,24.Aug.09, 11:37:53, Rob Gom wrote: [cut] Ok, so now I see the reasons to move: 1. Power flexibility: (if one needs something more than what mail application can offer) Yes, in many cases it is, but the

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Micha
On 8/24/2009 3:05 PM, Rob Gom wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Andrei Popescuandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon,24.Aug.09, 11:37:53, Rob Gom wrote: [cut] Ok, so now I see the reasons to move: 1. Power flexibility: (if one needs something more than what mail application can

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 24 August 2009 07:05:18 Rob Gom wrote: I believe that storing passwords encrypted is always safer than storing them unencrypted. Well, then you would be wrong. I an unattended program can take the bytes stored in the inode(s) and send your password to your ISP then a program written

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Mon August 24 2009, Micha wrote: On the other hand I forgot my password several times (way too many password protected accounts each with it's own password restrictions) and it saved me that I could just open the file and see the password. try keepassX, a great little app ( linux windows)

ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Mon August 24 2009, Micha wrote: Personally I use fetchmail + procmail to fetch and filter my mail I use fetchmail to pull in my mail for all my domain accounts. Kmail pulls it all in via my local user. From there I have many, MANY filters to put mail in separate folders. what benefit would

RE: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Kevin Ross
From: Paul Cartwright [mailto:a...@pcartwright.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:35 PM On Mon August 24 2009, Micha wrote: Personally I use fetchmail + procmail to fetch and filter my mail I use fetchmail to pull in my mail for all my domain accounts. Kmail pulls it all in via my

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-24 17:11, Kevin Ross wrote: From: Paul Cartwright [mailto:a...@pcartwright.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:35 PM On Mon August 24 2009, Micha wrote: Personally I use fetchmail + procmail to fetch and filter my mail I use fetchmail to pull in my mail for all my domain accounts.

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Mon August 24 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: But if Paul is asking the benefit of procmail over competing MDAs like maildrop, then the benefit is cryptic line noise a la Perl. what I'm asking is.. will it benefit me to change the way I do email and add another program into the mix. right now I do

RE: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Kevin Ross
From: Paul Cartwright [mailto:a...@pcartwright.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:56 PM On Mon August 24 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: But if Paul is asking the benefit of procmail over competing MDAs like maildrop, then the benefit is cryptic line noise a la Perl. what I'm asking is..

Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-24 19:56, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Mon August 24 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: But if Paul is asking the benefit of procmail over competing MDAs like maildrop, then the benefit is cryptic line noise a la Perl. what I'm asking is.. will it benefit me to change the way I do email and add

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-23 Thread Rob Gom
Hi all, could anyone explain to me why fetchmail is needed in the first place? From user's point of view it is something additional. Instead of configuring mail setup in single place (MUA, mail program), one has to set it up both in MUA (retrieve mail from local mail box) and fetchmail

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-23 Thread Scott Gifford
Rob Gom rgom.deb...@gmail.com writes: [...] Are there any mail programs which allow seamless integration with fetchmail/getmail? If by that you mean allow you to get your mail via POP or IMAP without editing any configuration files, sure, all of the GUI mail clients do this: Thunderbird,

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-23 14:09, Rob Gom wrote: Hi all, could anyone explain to me why fetchmail is needed in the first place? Now *this* is an excellent flame! From user's point of view it is something additional. Instead of configuring mail setup in single place (MUA, mail program), one has to set it

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-21 Thread Girish Kulkarni
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote: flame Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to actually work together must be a dark art :) /flame What's so strange about fetchmail? I admit this is uninformed, but it seems to me like fetchmail tries to be many things

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-21 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri,21.Aug.09, 11:43:04, Girish Kulkarni wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote: flame Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to actually work together must be a dark art :) /flame What's so strange about fetchmail? I admit this is uninformed

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-21 02:18, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Fri,21.Aug.09, 11:43:04, Girish Kulkarni wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote: flame Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to actually work together must be a dark art :) /flame What's so strange about fetchmail? I

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-17 12:20, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] flame Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to actually work together must be a dark art :) /flame What's so strange about fetchmail? -- Featuring GRATUITOUS ALIEN NUDITY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-20 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu,20.Aug.09, 06:40:29, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-08-17 12:20, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] flame Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to actually work together must be a dark art :) /flame What's so strange about fetchmail? I admit this is uninformed

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-20 11:44, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Thu,20.Aug.09, 06:40:29, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-08-17 12:20, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] flame Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to actually work together must be a dark art :) /flame What's so strange about fetchmail

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-20 Thread John Hasler
Andrei Popescu writes: [Fetchmail] retrieves mail via POP3 and IMAP only to inject it back to SMTP That's a feature. ESR mentioned he wanted to make the configuration syntax easy. It's trivial: just name-value pairs. Apparently he made it so easy that a dedicated editor is needed Because

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-20 Thread John Hasler
Ron writes: Sentence-like, which [Fetchmail configuration] is! It can appear to be, but the extra words are ignored. You can just use name-value pairs, which I think are clearer. There is a special editor (fetchmailconf) for those who fear configuration files (quite common, unfortunately). --

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-20 Thread Carlos Sousa
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:44:33 +0300 Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: ... I admit this is uninformed, but it seems to me like fetchmail tries to be many things, but not particularly good at anything: - it has a daemon mode reported to hang Been using it for about 10 years now,

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-19 Thread Girish Kulkarni
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote: Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to actually work together must be a dark art :) True! :-) -- Girish Kulkarni - Allahabad, India - athene.org.in/girish -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-17 Thread Girish Kulkarni
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: Slightly OT, but when you try again, use the --expunge option so that when you restart fetchmail Yes, this worked. Thanks! -- Girish Kulkarni - Allahabad, India - athene.org.in/girish -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-17 Thread Girish Kulkarni
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote: While downloading archived messages (around 20 thousand of them, 800 MB) from my Gmail account via POP3, Fetchmail stopped after fetching 9985 messages. It now keeps saying that there are 549 read messages on the server but clearly, there are many

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-17 Thread Andrei Popescu
expunge 20' seems to be working for me now, although honestly, I don't understand why that should be necessary. flame Fetchmail and Gmail both seem strange to me. Getting them to actually work together must be a dark art :) /flame Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu,13.Aug.09, 16:17:30, Girish Kulkarni wrote: Hello, I'm having an issue with Fetchmail and Gmail on my system (Lenny). It will help if someone could help understand what's going on. While downloading archived messages (around 20 thousand of them, 800 MB) from my Gmail account via

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-16 Thread John Haggerty
, Girish Kulkarni wrote: Hello, I'm having an issue with Fetchmail and Gmail on my system (Lenny). It will help if someone could help understand what's going on. While downloading archived messages (around 20 thousand of them, 800 MB) from my Gmail account via POP3, Fetchmail stopped

Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-13 Thread Girish Kulkarni
Hello, I'm having an issue with Fetchmail and Gmail on my system (Lenny). It will help if someone could help understand what's going on. While downloading archived messages (around 20 thousand of them, 800 MB) from my Gmail account via POP3, Fetchmail stopped after fetching 9985 messages

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-13 Thread Teemu Likonen
On 2009-08-13 16:17 (+0530), Girish Kulkarni wrote: While downloading archived messages (around 20 thousand of them, 800 MB) from my Gmail account via POP3, Fetchmail stopped after fetching 9985 messages. It now keeps saying that there are 549 read messages on the server but clearly, there

Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

2009-08-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-13 05:47, Girish Kulkarni wrote: Hello, I'm having an issue with Fetchmail and Gmail on my system (Lenny). It will help if someone could help understand what's going on. While downloading archived messages (around 20 thousand of them, 800 MB) from my Gmail account via POP3