Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-21 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/20/2018 04:06 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 20 Jul 2018 at 07:07:34 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] GREP-DCTRL(1) says in part, "Use your imagination! The building blocks are there ..." I believe it ;/ I suspect piping its output to tbl-dctrl will be interesting to say the least.

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-20 Thread David Wright
On Fri 20 Jul 2018 at 07:07:34 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/19/2018 10:46 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > >On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, David Wright wrote: > >>While there are commands like aptitude search and aptitude why > >>available for such purposes, these are really designed

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-20 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/19/2018 10:46 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, David Wright wrote: While there are commands like aptitude search and aptitude why available for such purposes, these are really designed for routine maintenance. For your purposes, I think you need to develop

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-20 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/19/2018 06:41 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 19 Jul 2018 at 15:34:04 +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: [snip] You may want to ask this question in debian-boot (surprisingly, this list appears to be the place to discuss d-i). Can it be answered here? The base system. (The OP is familiar with

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-19 Thread Brian
On Thu 19 Jul 2018 at 15:34:04 +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Richard Owlett: > > > > That leads to asking two related questions: [...] > > 2. What section of the installer installs packages tagged as required? > > I assume the answer will, in part, be a referral to some developer > >

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/19/2018 10:13 AM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 19 Jul 2018 at 06:38:08 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/18/2018 09:06 AM, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:44:13AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: First I'm looking comparison of required, important, standard, optional, and

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-19 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, David Wright wrote: > While there are commands like aptitude search and aptitude why > available for such purposes, these are really designed for routine > maintenance. For your purposes, I think you need to develop a more > intimate relationship with the files in

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-19 Thread David Wright
On Thu 19 Jul 2018 at 06:38:08 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/18/2018 09:06 AM, Michael Stone wrote: > >On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:44:13AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>First I'm looking comparison of required, important, standard, > >>optional, and extra as package labels [particularly

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/19/2018 08:34 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote: Richard Owlett: That leads to asking two related questions: 1. How can I get a list of packages tagged as required? Aptitude is great for answering questions like this: $ aptitude search '?priority(required) ?archive(stable)' Exactly what I

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-19 Thread Jochen Spieker
Richard Owlett: > > That leads to asking two related questions: > 1. How can I get a list of packages tagged as required? Aptitude is great for answering questions like this: $ aptitude search '?priority(required) ?archive(stable)'

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/18/2018 09:06 AM, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:44:13AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: First I'm looking comparison of required, important, standard, optional, and extra as package labels [particularly interested in corner cases]. I've been looking at

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-18 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:44:13AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: First I'm looking comparison of required, important, standard, optional, and extra as package labels [particularly interested in corner cases]. I've been looking at [https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/]. I'm not grasping

An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-18 Thread Richard Owlett
"Topology" may be a poor word choice. First I'm looking comparison of required, important, standard, optional, and extra as package labels [particularly interested in corner cases]. I've been looking at [https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/]. I'm not grasping something. Not sure what ;/

Daemontools Introduction

2014-09-24 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I just finished writing a daemontools intro here: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/daemontools_intro.htm SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Daemontools Introduction

2014-09-24 Thread Brian
On Wed 24 Sep 2014 at 14:06:52 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I just finished writing a daemontools intro here: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/daemontools_intro.htm Is this the culmination of your posting to this list to promote your own ends? Or have we more to look forward to? --

Forcefed: The introduction of Grub2 submenus

2013-05-15 Thread Eike Lantzsch
I used to use grub-reboot to boot remotely into any OS, which is installed on one of my boxes. Since the introduction of submenus into grub2 that does not work anymore. Who had the bright idea to push submenus in Grub2 down our throats? I don't want them. I want something straight forward

Introduction to Yuuguu from Haridas

2010-03-17 Thread Yuuguu
Hello! Haridas - hari...@sparksupport.com - is inviting you to join Yuuguu, a free and easy-to-use application for working with colleagues or friends over the web. It allows users to share screens, host online meetings and work in real time on the same documents over the web for free. To get

[HS] Introduction

2009-06-08 Thread Xavier Maillard
Salut tout le monde, apres plusieurs annees loin de Debian et un retour aux sources (slackware), j'ai decide de refaire le chemin inverse. Je me sentais un peu seul avec ma slackware et surtout j'avais l'impression de ne plus servir a grand chose. Le manque de visibilite du projet mais aussi les

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-13 Thread Peter Teunissen
in a short time. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had the same challenge, can someone give me some pointers to a quick online introduction? I'm looking for stuff like how yum

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-13 Thread Peter Teunissen
On 12-apr-2007, at 8:47, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 01:29:51AM +0200, Peter Teunissen wrote: I'm a happy Debian user and will not move to RH. But. As I wrote in my question, I'm _forced_ to use RHEL4 at my job. Since more debianites will have been in this situation, I

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-13 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:16:37AM +0200, Peter Teunissen wrote: That's what this world has evolved into; everything is worth what you paid for it. There will be a moment when someone realizes that he didn't pay for his wife and start to doubt if her love for him is genuine. :-/ I

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-13 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Peter Teunissen wrote: There will be a moment when someone realizes that he didn't pay for his wife and start to doubt if her love for him is genuine. :-/ hmmm... Ever heard of dowry system? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 01:29:51AM +0200, Peter Teunissen wrote: I'm a happy Debian user and will not move to RH. But. As I wrote in my question, I'm _forced_ to use RHEL4 at my job. Since more debianites will have been in this situation, I think it's not inappropriate to ask on this

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-12 Thread Joe Hart
. But, I'm forced to use Redhat EL4 and need to get up and running in a short time. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had the same challenge But this is debian. Why not ask

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-12 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Peter Teunissen wrote: Hi All, I've got a great opportunity to promote opensource at my job by working on a BI project for Oxfam. But, I'm forced to use Redhat EL4 and need to get up and running in a short time. Well, that's life. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-12 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 09:14:51AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote: I wonder if it might not be designed this way on purpose. I mean how better to sell support contracts when the product needs support because the admins run into trouble? Kind of like the conspiracy theory that says that a lot of the

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-12 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto � wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 09:14:51AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote: I wonder if it might not be designed this way on purpose. I mean how better to sell support contracts when the product needs support because the admins run into trouble?

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-12 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 10:42:15PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote: Yes, I agree with you. I don't think the Red Hat model is bad at all, thus my statement about not believing my conspiracy theory. My question lies more in the anti-virus world than it does in the Linux world. I had no intention

a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Teunissen
Hi All, I've got a great opportunity to promote opensource at my job by working on a BI project for Oxfam. But, I'm forced to use Redhat EL4 and need to get up and running in a short time. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had the same challenge But this is debian. Why not ask RH for a transistion guide? One doesn't ask Microsoft for help transitioning to Debian. Isn't RHEL a commercial product

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Greg Folkert
and running in a short time. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had the same challenge But this is debian. Why not ask RH for a transistion guide? One doesn't ask

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Teunissen
to use Redhat EL4 and need to get up and running in a short time. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had the same challenge But this is debian. Why not ask RH for a transistion

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Greg Folkert
job by working on a BI project for Oxfam. But, I'm forced to use Redhat EL4 and need to get up and running in a short time. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Jeff D
on a BI project for Oxfam. But, I'm forced to use Redhat EL4 and need to get up and running in a short time. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had the same challenge

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had the same challenge, can someone give me some pointers to a quick online introduction? I'm looking for stuff like how yum and up2date compare to aptitude, how

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 07:05:47PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: I am sure that he really meant the other way, a RHEL User's introduction to Debian (and its far superior tools and ways) I hope. I really hope. But since he is is using RH, I am afraid not. In any case, RPM dependency hell

Re: a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4?

2007-04-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
and need to get up and running in a short time. I've been looking for a Debian user's introduction to Redhat EL4, but only found intro's in the other direction :-) I'm sure others on this list have had the same challenge, can someone give me some pointers to a quick online introduction

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-03-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
Thanks all for your discussion on Lyx vs LaTex (and Word). I've been traveling and now pouring through a month's worth of emails. Just before I left, after reading all the documents that come with the TexLive system on Debian, I took 30 minutes and translated a few Lout letters into Latex. It

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-24 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 10:13:39PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 22:05, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar printout next to your terminal. I prefer 2 screens

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not easily handled by a wysiwig. Lyx, but why? Discovered 'gnuhtml2latex'. What a *neat*

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread Stephen
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 10:54:30PM +1300 or thereabouts, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread tom arnall
On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not easily handled by a

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread Russell L. Harris
* tom arnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070224 17:28]: On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread tom arnall
On Saturday 24 February 2007 16:15, Russell L. Harris wrote: * tom arnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070224 17:28]: On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-22 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/07 02:00, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? It's

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: It's not Polite (nay, it's downright stupid) to ask Why do you want to know that? on a -user mailing list. Erm, it's impolite to ask pertinent questions? Personally I find it impolite to be offended on when other people question you on why you are questioning them.

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-02-14 10:44:48, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez: That depends on how you define usable. Word might handle a 25 page document. The experience of many of my friends has been that big documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word. One friend of mine did his thesis (350-400 pages) in

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-02-16 09:30:36, schrieb Greg Folkert: Not permanently and not in your normal.dot. At least *I* could never Hmmm, in the german and french versions it CAN be switched off. Maybe you have a special version of the DHS which correct US- American if they do not follow the party line. :-))

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-02-14 11:33:04, schrieb Greg Folkert: Install Cygwin, its the only way to semi-fix it. ??? bash.exe, perl.exe and python.exe can run definitivly in a DOS-Box since I use it for DJGPP http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Michael M.
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers. The large print and *wide*, lined paper made it easy to step thru your program, making notes, side

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:51:40AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers. The large print and *wide*, lined paper made it easy

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 12:05, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:51:40AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Actually, I'm serious about the

latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-21 Thread tom arnall
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:49, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:45:16PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: I no longer have anything to do with that area - but I would say today that we still cannot produce documents with the consistency and completeness (proper version

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-21 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what a great thread. hopefully we can begin 'subject'ing it properly with this mail. what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-21 Thread tom arnall
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 11:52, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what a great thread. hopefully we can begin 'subject'ing it properly with this mail. what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar printout next to your terminal. I prefer 2 screens now. Left screen is the on-line Python manual, right screen is my code in vim, fully expanded. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 22:05, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar printout next to your terminal. I prefer 2 screens now. Left screen is the on-line Python manual, right screen is my

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: fully expanded? Yes, I am using vim in a wicked GUI and click on the leetle button which expands the window to the entire screen. :P Although I pine for the day I can give Wing IDE a try. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 23:00, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: fully expanded? Yes, I am using vim in a wicked GUI and click on the leetle button which expands the window to the entire screen. :P Although I pine for the day I can give Wing

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: What GUI would that be? The relevance being? I figured since you didn't know the terms of fully expanded you were one of dem d'ere CLI people who think GUIs are da werk uf da debil! -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: What GUI would that be? The relevance being? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? I figured since you didn't know the terms

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Alan Chandler
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: FYI: Just for perspective, I'm also old enough to remember designing control logic for film processors used for in preparing print the old-fashioned way (you know, half-tone separations, prepared with screens and cameras) - and, for

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:45:16PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: I no longer have anything to do with that area - but I would say today that we still cannot produce documents with the consistency and completeness (proper version control of all documentation, with the version numbers

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: [snip] in about 1982 I was in the market for a line printer so that my team could print out their software listings and was pursuaded by the our HP

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: [snip] in about 1982 I was in the market for a line printer so that my team could

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Steve Lamb
Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( Yup, yup and yup. Of course having to work on some model or another of green-bar printer for the past year-and-a-half lemme tell you,

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:15, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: On

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( Yup, yup and yup. Of course having to work on

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( Yup, yup and yup. Of course having

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:59, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover otherwise you'd

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-16 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I hate some of the auto-corrections it makes. AOL! But you can turn them off. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-16 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 22:12 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I hate some of the auto-corrections it makes. AOL! But you can turn them off. Not permanently

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-16 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:30:36 -0500 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 22:12 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I hate some of

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-15 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Miles Fidelman wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable and it works. Just looking at the number of word documents

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-15 Thread Jean-Paul Mannie
For me the main advantages of LaTeX over Word is the easy incorporation of references, citations and numbering figures and tables. Offcourse Word is also able to do this, but with a lot more trouble. Something like 'headings' always want to do things differently then the author. I wrote several

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable That depends on

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
Stephen wrote: The other fella Miles Fieldman, (I think) mentioned that corporations use word templates etc. Sure, for filling in a form letter, however it's been my experience that the majority of corporate branding is done in design and typesetting shops, not by Suzy or Joe using MSFT Word. I

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread marc
Miles Fidelman said... Stephen wrote: The other fella Miles Fieldman, (I think) mentioned that corporations use word templates etc. Sure, for filling in a form letter, however it's been my experience that the majority of corporate branding is done in design and typesetting shops, not by

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable That depends on how you define usable.

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:38:03AM -0500, Stephen wrote: You don't know MSFT Word well do you ? It's relatively easy to create a TOC from a structured Word document. Doesn't take much skill at all. The key is structure, and to work in outline view. Have you actually verified that the TOC is

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] That depends on how you define usable. Word might handle a 25 page document. The experience of many of my friends has been that big documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word. One friend of mine did his thesis

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:33:04AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I mean, people often complain about the lack of uniformity in GUI programs targetted at Linux. Windows is just as bad, but people choose to overlook it for some

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:48:21AM -0500 or thereabouts, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:38:03AM -0500, Stephen wrote: You don't know MSFT Word well do you ? It's relatively easy to create a TOC from a structured Word document. Doesn't take much skill at all. The

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd contest this. Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 06:17, Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits,

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 01:35, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/12/07 11:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I might be a

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Tyler Smith
On 2007-02-13, Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd contest

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 07:30, Tyler Smith wrote: On 2007-02-13, Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd contest this. Not to mention those in the

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:05:26 -0500 Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [... snip ...] On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:41, Micha Feigin wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:06:15 -0500 If Office is the issue, and not Windows overall, then why should she buy office when she can use OpenOffice

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:17:41 -0500 Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. I'm just starting down the LaTex and Lyx road (from Lout since I want

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:08:14 -0500 cga2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:17:41PM EST, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. I'm just

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:48:40 -0500 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:40:45 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 06:17, Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 06:49:14PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I might be a bit of a purist, but I would say that even for one page of a document you will be better of with LaTeX. Word output might be ok for a quick fax, but the printed text from a half-way decent printer will always

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