Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-06-01 Thread songbird
Thomas Schmitt wrote: ... > Thanks for this description of a real world procedure. > Now i know at least that i am not the only one who cares about the > post-upgrade steps in the manual. I already began to think that everybody > lets the surplus packages rot in the dark. i have

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-06-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
eal world procedure. Now i know at least that i am not the only one who cares about the post-upgrade steps in the manual. I already began to think that everybody lets the surplus packages rot in the dark. Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-31 Thread Florent Rougon
Le 01/06/2024, Florent Rougon a écrit: > FWIW, removal of “obsolete or local” packages is easily done > interactively in aptitude: you go the the corresponding section of the > main screen, hit Enter, etc. The [ key recursively unfolds a section > (use ] to fold it back). You

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-31 Thread Florent Rougon
Le 31/05/2024, "Thomas Schmitt" a écrit: > Then it offered me a list with slightly frightening wildcards: > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > fuse* libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer* linux-image-4.19.0-17-amd64* > linux-image-4.19.0-20-amd64* l

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-31 Thread Thomas Schmitt
InstalledVerStr.c_str()); } else if (V.ParentPkg()->CurrentState == pkgCache::State::ConfigFiles) StatusStr = _("[residual-config]"); - About my post-upgrade activities: I ran the command that is

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-31 Thread Curt
ally installed - Display only packages that are not (for longer) (sic) included in one of the specified repositories. I guess the terminology is intended to cover all conceivable cases of why a package isn't found in the repositories, in the event the user grew confused by one or the other term that was

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-30 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > What kind of programming language can have inspired the developers > > to define such a syntax ? Max Nikulin: > https://blog.jak-linux.org/2019/08/15/apt-patterns/ This points to aptitude. The package description of aptitude says "mutt-like syntax for matchi

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-30 Thread David Wright
On Wed 29 May 2024 at 18:20:25 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > i wonder why none of the electricians on this list has an anecdote to > share about dealing with "obsolete" packages after upgrade. > No triumphs, defeats, or global catastrophes ? Nowadays I install new releases f

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-30 Thread Max Nikulin
with "apt list": Re: List packages from non-default repositories. Wed, 4 Oct 2023 17:26:47 +0700 https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/ufjel7$l9m$1...@ciao.gmane.io However I did not post last variant of the query. It is for aptitude. As to obsolete vs. local packages, my guess is th

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-30 Thread Florent Rougon
Le 30/05/2024, "Thomas Schmitt" a écrit: > So "local" would be just another word for "obsolete" ? My understanding is that “obsolete” and “local” may mean different things to the person who installed the packages (“obsolete” would correspond to the first

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-30 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > Next documenation riddle is what the word "local" means in output lines > > like > > linux-image-5.10.0-rc2-ts/now 5.10.0-rc2-ts-37 amd64 [installed,local] Florent Rougon wrote: > I don't use this but guess it is as in aptitude, where “obsolete

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-30 Thread Florent Rougon
Hi Thomas, Le 30/05/2024, "Thomas Schmitt" a écrit: > Next documenation riddle is what the word "local" means in output lines > like > > linux-image-5.10.0-rc2-ts/now 5.10.0-rc2-ts-37 amd64 [installed,local] I don't use this but guess it is as in aptitude

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-30 Thread Thomas Schmitt
en I use "apt autoremove", I am given a list of proposed removals and > a prompt about whether I want to proceed. Good to know that there are safeguards when i finally remove some of the "obsolete" packages. I wrote: > > How could i get a list of only the automatical

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-29 Thread Max Nikulin
On 29/05/2024 23:20, Thomas Schmitt wrote: How could i get a list of only the automatically installed obsolete packages ? (I still did not find any documentation about the '~c' or '~o' with "apt list".) apt-patterns(7) and dpkg(1). Apt can not distinguish packages installed by dpk

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-29 Thread Mike Kupfer
Thomas Schmitt wrote: > But i am not sure whether the commercial package which i have to keep > will be preserved with "apt autoremove". > Is there a way to do a dry run which only tells what would happen if i > were more courageous ? When I use "apt autoremove", I am given a list of proposed

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-29 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wonder why none of the electricians on this list has an anecdote to share about dealing with "obsolete" packages after upgrade. No triumphs, defeats, or global catastrophes ? I wrote: > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.h t

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Max Nikulin
On 29/05/2024 00:51, Michael Grant wrote: The culprits that seemed to be causing the massive dependencies were libsasl2-2 and libsasl2-modules-db. Though not libsasl2-modules which i also have installed. With adjusted priorities these packages are not an issue for "apt upgrade". Mo

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-05-28 at 15:02, Marco Moock wrote: > Am 28.05.2024 um 20:38:46 Uhr schrieb Thomas Schmitt: >> What does "[residual-config]" mean ? > > Packages include system-wide configuration files. If packages are > removed, this configuration will not be deleted. You n

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-28 Thread Marco Moock
Am 28.05.2024 um 20:38:46 Uhr schrieb Thomas Schmitt: > today i upgraded a Debian 11 system to 12 and am now scratching my > head over the final steps as described in > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#purge-removed-packages

After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-28 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, today i upgraded a Debian 11 system to 12 and am now scratching my head over the final steps as described in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#purge-removed-packages https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Michael Grant
Max, your list looks very similiar to what I'm seeing. I seem to have suceeded in removing all of the testing packages from my backup instance, now, just need to flip the ips around and see if the ship still floats. The culprits that seemed to be causing the massive dependencies were libsasl2-2

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Max Nikulin
t, dropped the following file /etc/apt/preferences.d/80-downgrade.pref Package: * Pin: release n=bookworm Pin-Priority: 1001 and after apt upgrade only a couple of packages from testing survived: libdb5.3t64/now 5.3.28+dfsg2-7 amd64 [installed,local] libssl3t64/now 3.2.1-3 amd64 [installed

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
with dpkg, in the future, > will apt take it into account as a dependency of things already > installed even though apt itself didn't install or rather downgrade > the package itself? Yes. Dpkg is the lower level tool. Apt is the higher level tool. The set of installed packages is tracked by dpkg

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Michael Grant
owngrade a library package", I mean: > > 1) Download the .deb file for the bookworm(-security) version of the >library package. > > 2) Run "dpkg -i libc6_whatever.deb". > > 3) When you inevitably get dependency conflicts, download the additional >libra

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 09:12:18AM -0400, Michael Grant wrote: > > You will most likely need to remove the testing versions of these packages > > (apache2, git and so on) and then install the bookworm versions afterward. > > Those dependent packages (most if not all) ar

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Michael Grant
e work by hand. I am trying to do it by hand. There's not many packages to deal with at this point, doing this by hand looks like 10 or so packages. > You will most likely need to remove the testing versions of these packages > (apache2, git and so on) and then install the bookworm versions af

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread fxkl47BF
gt; 'db5.3-util' > Selected version '5.3.2' (Debian:12.5/stable [all]) for 'db-util' > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer > required: > acl apache2-data apache2-utils augeas-lenses avahi-daemon clamav-base > colord-data git-man gnupg-l10n gnupg-utils gpg

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Dan Ritter
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 02:02:47PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > ISTR that "apt-get install =" will unconditionally > install of , if necessary pulling in dependencies. > > But I've never tried it :-) That pulls in dependencies b

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 07:09:16AM -0400, Michael Grant wrote: > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 06:59:50AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 06:10:11AM -0400, Michael Grant wrote: > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > > [...] libdb5.3t64 [..

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Michael Grant
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 06:59:50AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 06:10:11AM -0400, Michael Grant wrote: > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > [...] libdb5.3t64 [...] > > You've *clearly* still got testing packages installed. YES. As

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 06:10:11AM -0400, Michael Grant wrote: > The following packages will be REMOVED: > [...] libdb5.3t64 [...] You've *clearly* still got testing packages installed.

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-28 Thread Michael Grant
ree... Done Reading state information... Done Selected version '5.3.28+dfsg2-1' (Debian:12.5/stable [amd64]) for 'libdb5.3' Selected version '5.3.28+dfsg2-1' (Debian:12.5/stable [amd64]) for 'db5.3-util' Selected version '5.3.2' (Debian:12.5/stable [all]) for 'db-util' The following packages w

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread tomas
ease, use > > apt-get -t releasename packagename > > But that's not the whole story of what `-t` does since the above does > not explain why his attempt to use `-t` to downgrade some packages > resulted in `apt` saying " is already the newest version". IST

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Max Nikulin
On 28/05/2024 01:02, Stefan Monnier wrote: But that's not the whole story of what `-t` does since the above does not explain why his attempt to use `-t` to downgrade some packages resulted in `apt` saying " is already the newest version". My guess is that -t increases priority of the

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
; > and to install a backported package plus dependencies which > > > are also from that specific release, use > > > apt-get -t releasename packagename > > > > But that's not the whole story of what `-t` does since the above does > > not explain why his attempt

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Detlef Vollmann
` to downgrade some packages resulted in `apt` saying " is already the newest version". Sometimes '-t' works for me, and does what I expect, and sometimes it doesn't. So I generelly use now the explicit version: apt install libc-bin=2.36-9+deb12u7 Detlef

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
ease, use > > apt-get -t releasename packagename > > But that's not the whole story of what `-t` does since the above does > not explain why his attempt to use `-t` to downgrade some packages > resulted in `apt` saying " is already the newest version". Neither syntax will specify a newer version for plain "install" to install or upgrade. Cheers, David.

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
es not explain why his attempt to use `-t` to downgrade some packages resulted in `apt` saying " is already the newest version". Stefan

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 May 2024 at 12:23:41 (-0400), Michael Grant wrote: > [ … ] > so I thought I'd try the same process with db5.3, but removing db5.3 > wants to remove a slew of packages: > > # apt reinstall -s libdb5.3/bookworm > ... > Selected version '5.3.28+dfsg2-1' (Debi

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > # apt install -t=bookworm db-util db5.3-util libc-bin libc-dev-bin > > I can never remember exactly what `-t` really does, but I suspect you'll > need things like > > apt install libc-bin/bookworm To install a single backported (or other release) package, apt-get

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Michael Grant
Hans, thanks for that but I am a bit confused following your instructions. Did you mean to I should remove the lines for 'stable' from sources.list? Or remove the lines for 'testing'? I am trying to get the packages to go back to stable. I am more familiar with apt than aptitude. I managed

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Hans
Doing "apt-get upgrade" will only upgrade all installed packages, but no new ones (even, if they are needed). Better is to do an "apt-get full-upgrade", which will install the whole system from stable to testing. However, this might also uninstall some wanted packages, thu

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Max Nikulin
On 27/05/2024 21:28, Michael Grant wrote: What I want to do is get the system back to just using the packages from stable rather than testing. I have never tried the following, so it is better to test it in a virtual machine or inside a container. I would try to set priority of bookworm

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I needed to install a version of sendmail from testing a while back to > test it. Downgrading Debian packages is not well supported, by and large. So installing `testing` packages into a `stable` install is manageable (tho it itself can bring trouble) but going back to `stable` afterwards

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 May 2024 at 09:56:54 (-0400), Michael Grant wrote: > What's the best way to get back to running just the bookworm stable > packages? I tried what I thought was the obvious way to fix this by > running: > > # apt install -t=bookworm db-util db5.3-util libc-bin libc-

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
back to > > > test it. > > > > Your subject header says "bookworm stable". You don't install binary > > packages from testing on a stable system. You use backports instead. > > ugh no, wait, I may be using the wrong terminology. I'm not wanting > to install special

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Michael Grant
uot;. You don't install binary > packages from testing on a stable system. You use backports instead. ugh no, wait, I may be using the wrong terminology. I'm not wanting to install special packages and definitely don't need to build my own. What I want to do is get the system back to just using th

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 09:56:54AM -0400, Michael Grant wrote: > I needed to install a version of sendmail from testing a while back to > test it. Your subject header says "bookworm stable". You don't install binary packages from testing on a stable system. You use backports

moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread Michael Grant
I needed to install a version of sendmail from testing a while back to test it. On friday, I ran 'apt upgrade' which looked like it was going to uninstall and then reinstall the sendmail packages. I let it run, when it was done, only some of the sendmail packages had re-installed. Basically, I

Re: RE: Problems installing QEMU packages on Debian 12 (stable)

2024-05-03 Thread Lukas Nagy
Hi, thanks for checking, in the end I solved this by switching mirrors from default http://deb.debian.org/debian to http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian - after updating I got the correct version of QEMU package. Maybe something was cached somewhere for several days, strange that I had to change

Problems installing QEMU packages on Debian 12 (stable)

2024-04-24 Thread Lukas Nagy
Hi, I am trying to make KVM/QEMU work on my Debian 12. I follow https://wiki.debian.org/KVM but I get stuck already on installation, because apt-get reports non-existent packages on debian repos. I ran sudo apt install qemu-system libvirt-daemon-system virt-manager It resolves packages

Re: Old control sums for packages.

2024-04-06 Thread Kamil Jońca
Simon Hollenbach writes: > Hello KJ, > > there is the snapshot archive at https://snapshot.debian.org/ - You > can get older Packages files from there. Thanks. I was not aware of this service. KJ -- http://stopstopnop.pl/stop_stopnop.pl_o_nas.html

Re: Old control sums for packages.

2024-04-06 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Hello KJ, there is the snapshot archive at https://snapshot.debian.org/ - You can get older Packages files from there. I don't know if you mean the links like `Packages.gz -> by-hash/SHA256/c039245acc063d9b42cade368a874bf5e0ee3025a7bb2634f3f3bc601f15bb89` or the actual contents of Packa

Old control sums for packages.

2024-04-01 Thread Kamil Jońca
At http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/ we can find files with SHA256 sums of packages. Unfortunately they are only 2 weeks old. Is this possible to have little older files? (For example month or 2)? KJ -- http://stopstopnop.pl/stop_stopnop.pl_o_nas.html

Re: how to downgrade nvidia-graphics-drivers packages?

2024-02-19 Thread Dan Ritter
Harald Dunkel wrote: > Hi folks, > > Looking at a set of installed binary packages built from the same source > package, I would like to keep the version numbers consistent. There might > be exceptions, but in general you won't like to mix unstable and experimental > bi

how to downgrade nvidia-graphics-drivers packages?

2024-02-19 Thread Harald Dunkel
Hi folks, Looking at a set of installed binary packages built from the same source package, I would like to keep the version numbers consistent. There might be exceptions, but in general you won't like to mix unstable and experimental binary packages from the nvidia-graphics-drivers, for example

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-06 Thread David Wright
t; 2) save the install log into a file (apt-get install reports to you > the order of installation) from which you can then created a dpkg > based script > 3) move all packages from /var/cache/ ... to wherever is needed. I don't remember ever having to worry about the order. I would just t

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-06 Thread Albretch Mueller
ependencies, so I decided to change the strategy to: 1) using apt-get install ... 2) save the install log into a file (apt-get install reports to you the order of installation) from which you can then created a dpkg based script 3) move all packages from /var/cache/ ... to wherever is needed

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 10:28:14PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 02 Dec 2023 at 13:48:34 (+), Darac Marjal wrote: > > On 02/12/2023 04:22, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > apt-get has the side effect of installing the packages on the > > connected system. > > Not

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-02 Thread David Wright
; In that case, use apt-get instead of apt. That way the downloaded .deb > > files will not be removed afterward. Then you can just sweep 'em up > > from /var/cache/apt/archives, copy them to a stack of floppies, put > > the floppies in a box, tie the box to a trained ferret, sen

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-02 Thread David Wright
On Sat 02 Dec 2023 at 07:06:37 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 02:52:25AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > > direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, > > install. I need to download those packages. > > These should be a stra

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 06:15:17AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > They are even using "AI" to mess with > people they target and it doesn't matter if they know well (which they > have actually told me) that you are not a criminally minded dude, a > threat to society, ... and they are quite

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-02 Thread Darac Marjal
n a box, tie the box to a trained ferret, send the ferret across town apt-get has the side effect of installing the packages on the connected system. There used to be "apt-zip" (no longer in Debian), which was built around the idea of using ZIP disks for transferring files. "apt-zip-li

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread Albretch Mueller
sed hardware), I am trying to streamline a way of: a) booting a live Deb Linux from a DVD (which, physically, you can't write onto) b) running a short script with an array of utility packages which are not part of §a's install base preferably from a pen drive or a subdirectory of a hard driv

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread tomas
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 02:52:25AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, > install. I need to download those packages. > These should be a straightforward way to do that or an easy hack. > lbrtchx I /think/ this hack m

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 10:01:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 21:55:42 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > apt install ./myfile.deb > > That requires you to be online, aka "exposed mode". The OP only > exposes a live USB to the outside world, not their "real" system. >

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 21:55:42 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 02:52:25AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > > direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, > > install. I need to download those packages. > > These should be a stra

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread Tom Furie
Albretch Mueller writes: > How can you list just the direct dependencies? and how safe is it > downloading and installing only those via dpkg? 'apt depends ' would list the direct dependencies without recursion. Why do you want to download them individually and install directly with dpkg when

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 02:52:25AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, > install. I need to download those packages. > These should be a straightforward way to do that or an easy hack. I'm still struggling to figure out w

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread Albretch Mueller
direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, install. I need to download those packages. These should be a straightforward way to do that or an easy hack. lbrtchx

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 12/2/23, Tom Furie wrote: ... > This is a recursive search, also showing dependencies of dependencies, > etc. How can you list just the direct dependencies? and how safe is it downloading and installing only those via dpkg? lbrtchx

Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread Tom Furie
Albretch Mueller writes: > https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/wget > > shows 8 packages as "depends" > > dep: libc6 (>= 2.28) > dep: libgnutls30 (>= 3.7.0) > dep: libidn2-0 (>= 0.6) > dep: libnettle8 > dep: libpcre2-8-0 (>= 10.22) > dep:

packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...

2023-12-01 Thread Albretch Mueller
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/wget shows 8 packages as "depends" dep: libc6 (>= 2.28) dep: libgnutls30 (>= 3.7.0) dep: libidn2-0 (>= 0.6) dep: libnettle8 dep: libpcre2-8-0 (>= 10.22) dep: libpsl5 (>= 0.16.0) dep: libuuid1 (>= 2.16) dep: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-12-01 Thread Nate Bargmann
For this sort of thing I prefer the aptitude TUI. Highlight the package in question and hit 'r' and the list of reverse dependencies appears. Installed packages will be in bold (also bright white with my terminal settings). One can continue up the chain by highlighting one of the installed

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-12-01 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-11-30, David Wright wrote: > deborphan -Ps or orphaner Perhaps deborphan -Ps --ignore-suggests Or even deborphan -Ps --ignore-suggests --ignore-recommends

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-12-01 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-11-30, Greg Wooledge wrote: > My first thought is that popularity-contest should be able to tell you > this, because it's able to tell *Debian* which packages are "old" I should live on the "old" but mandatory edge :) 20 tk 20 tcl 14 g++

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread David Wright
On Thu 30 Nov 2023 at 16:06:06 (-0600), Mike McClain wrote: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many > that come with an install? I don't know of one. > My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some 1800 packages > installed many of which I know

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread John Hasler
Mike McClain writes: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many that > come with an install? My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some > 1800 packages installed many of which I know I don't use, many others > I suspect I don't use but don't know if some

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 04:06:06PM -0600, Mike McClain wrote: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many > that come with an install? My first thought is that popularity-contest should be able to tell you this, because it's able to tell *Debian* which pa

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Mike McClain wrote: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many > that come with an install? > My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some 1800 packages > installed many of which I know I don't use, many others I suspect I > don't use but don

used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread Mike McClain
Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many that come with an install? My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some 1800 packages installed many of which I know I don't use, many others I suspect I don't use but don't know if some program I do use depends on them

[SOLVED] Uninstalling unwanted PHP and mariadb packages [WAS Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?]

2023-11-11 Thread Susmita/Rajib
reverse to the one I had followed while installing all those packages on the 10th Nov 2023. So what I did was that I noted down his advice on a plain text editor, then opted for "uninstall completely ..." the following packages: php-common apache2 apache2-bin apache2-data mariadb-c

Uninstalling unwanted PHP and mariadb packages [WAS Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?]

2023-11-11 Thread Susmita/Rajib
t; apache2 > apache2-bin > apache2-data > mariadb-client-10.5 > > and then an apt autoremove. > > Then perhaps an apt-purge apache2 .. and so on. > Then go back and remove any outlying packages that have not already been > removed until you have no more left. [ ... ] Ok. Th

Uninstalling unwanted PHP and mariadb packages [WAS Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?]

2023-11-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
has a Log file for the installed packages yesterday: > > > > Commit Log for Fri Nov 10 21:04:10 2023 > > Upgraded the following packages: > mariadb-common (1:10.5.18-0+deb11u1) to 1:10.5.21-0+deb11u1 > > Installed the following packages: > default-mysql-server (1.0.7) > ga

Nix on Debian for installing packages

2023-11-01 Thread Nicolas George
Hi. I am considering using Nix to install packages that are not available in Debian, or not available in the version I need. But I ear NixOS has a quite different taste than usual Linux distros, and I know Debian, and all our homemade admin scripts are tailored for Debian-based systems, so I

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-10-28 at 00:25, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 28/10/2023 02:02, The Wanderer wrote: > >> for the case of hierarchical snapshots > > qemu-img(1) allows to create snapshots of disk images that are stored > in the same file. In addition the "create" command has the "-b > BACKING_FILE" option

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-27 Thread Max Nikulin
On 28/10/2023 02:02, The Wanderer wrote: for the case of hierarchical snapshots qemu-img(1) allows to create snapshots of disk images that are stored in the same file. In addition the "create" command has the "-b BACKING_FILE" option If the option BACKING_FILE is specified, then the

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-27 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:46:52 + Minecraftchest1 wrote: > With Virt-Manager, you should have the option to choose an existing > disk image. It can also create a disk image for you. On which you will have to make partitions and file systems. -- Does anybody read signatures any more?

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-27 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-10-27 at 10:46, Minecraftchest1 wrote: > With Virt-Manager, you should have the option to choose an existing > disk image. That only helps if you've already created a disk image, which will not be the case when creating a new VM from scratch. Having to resort to the command line (or to

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-27 Thread Minecraftchest1
and share some screenshots later today. On October 27, 2023 9:17:46 AM UTC, The Wanderer wrote: >On 2023-10-26 at 15:28, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > >> Apt-get install virt-manager will pull in all the associated >> qemu/KVM packages you might need. It should be at least as >>

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 05:17:46AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2023-10-26 at 15:28, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > Apt-get install virt-manager will pull in all the associated > > qemu/KVM packages you might need. It should be at least as > > straightforward to use

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-27 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-10-26 at 15:28, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Apt-get install virt-manager will pull in all the associated > qemu/KVM packages you might need. It should be at least as > straightforward to use as Virtualbox. I've seen people state or suggest multiple times that virt-manag

Re: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-26 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
On 26/10/2023 14:39, Hans wrote: Hi folks, is there a very easy way, if I want to install packages from trixie oder sid into my bookworm installation? I read about apt pinning, but as far as I understood, I have to name explicitily each package I want to install from sid. This can be much work

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-26 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
just about > everywhere, then choose libvirt/QEMU/KVM. > > Jeff > Apt-get install virt-manager will pull in all the associated qemu/KVM packages you might need. It should be at least as straightforward to use as Virtualbox. I use this for testing when we do the testing for every Debian point release - it's straightforward. Andy

Re: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-26 Thread exceptbees
> Do you know another way, except pinning or my (weired) way? > > Oh, last but not least, I know, Oracle has its own debian-repo for virtualbox, > but it looks somehow not well set up IMHO. The latest version of Virtualbox for bookworm is available from the Fast Track repository [1] [2]. I've

Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-26 Thread Hans
vbe...@gmail.com (Alexander V. Makartsev): > > I don't use virtualbox (KVM does everything and more for me) so I can't > > vouch for the quality of packages from Oracle. > > I switched from VirtualBox to KVM at one point; as I recall a Debian > kernel upgrade broke VirtualBox and sti

Re: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-26 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 26 Oct 2023 21:37 +0500, from avbe...@gmail.com (Alexander V. Makartsev): > I don't use virtualbox (KVM does everything and more for me) so I can't > vouch for the quality of packages from Oracle. I switched from VirtualBox to KVM at one point; as I recall a Debian kernel upgrade

Re: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-26 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 26.10.2023 18:39, Hans wrote: Hi folks, is there a very easy way, if I want to install packages from trixie oder sid into my bookworm installation? I read about apt pinning, but as far as I understood, I have to name explicitily each package I want to install from sid. This can be much work

Re: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-26 Thread tomas
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 03:39:23PM +0200, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > is there a very easy way, if I want to install packages from trixie oder sid > into my bookworm installation? That will depend very much on the package. 1. If you try a naive install, the package will

EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

2023-10-26 Thread Hans
Hi folks, is there a very easy way, if I want to install packages from trixie oder sid into my bookworm installation? I read about apt pinning, but as far as I understood, I have to name explicitily each package I want to install from sid. This can be much work, when installing a high number

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