Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 30/07/24 at 16:54, 타토카 wrote: "Debian *does* use git snapshots and other pre-releases for some packages, but not for Firefox ESR." - What do you mean? The developers use /Version control systems/ ¹ to develop their software, Debian may take the source code directly from the the developmen

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 19:54:49 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > "Debian *does* use git snapshots and other pre-releases for some packages, > but not for Firefox ESR." - What do you mean? For example, the package xserver-xorg-video-intel in bookworm has version 2:2.99.917+git20210115-1

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

"Debian *does* use git snapshots and other pre-releases for some packages, but not for Firefox ESR." - What do you mean? On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 7:09 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 14:53:39 +0100, Joe wrote: > > As far as I > > know, Debian doesn't use beta versions of any sof

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 14:53:39 +0100, Joe wrote: > As far as I > know, Debian doesn't use beta versions of any software, even in > unstable, so Firefox itself in unstable is likely to be the same > Firefox downloaded by thousands of people using other distributions, > and is no more likely to fai

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

I have another one question, which is important for me. When using debian sid, how much probably, that problems can remove or move to anywhere some important data from my PC (passwords, photos, notes, etc.). I understand that some unstable packages in debian sid can break the system, but what about

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 20:26:00 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > If I want to use rescue mode for debian via netinst, will my pc have to > have an internet connection? Yea, it is a stupid question, but anyway. No, you do not need an internet connection to boot the netinst image. Not even to install from it (t

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

If I want to use rescue mode for debian via netinst, will my pc have to have an internet connection? Yea, it is a stupid question, but anyway. On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 7:11 PM Joe wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:50:48 +0500 > 타토카 wrote: > > > Yes, I think so, that would be a good idea to install

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

Yes, I think so, that would be a good idea to install debian sid on VM first. Debian installation image? Do you mean debian netinst? Or debian live's versions? On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:43 PM Joe wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 00:57:48 +0500 > 타토카 wrote: > > > Is it enough to have usb Debian live

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 00:57:48 +0500 타토카 wrote: > Is it enough to have usb Debian live (for example XFCE) and use > Debian Sid? I mean I don't have another one computer, if the main > computer will be "broken". > > It would certainly help, though better would be a hard/SSD drive with USB adaptor.

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 29/07/2024 02:57, 타토카 wrote: Is it enough to have usb Debian live (for example XFCE) and use Debian Sid? I mean I don't have another one computer, if the main computer will be "broken". Since you are asking this question, likely it is not enough. If your hardware allows it then consider in

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

Is it enough to have usb Debian live (for example XFCE) and use Debian Sid? I mean I don't have another one computer, if the main computer will be "broken". On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:44 PM David Wright wrote: > On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 09:44:02 (+), Michael Kjörling wrote: > > On 22 Jul 2024 2

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 09:44:02 (+), Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 22 Jul 2024 21:20 -0500, from deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk (David Wright): > > The machine I'm typing on is running bullseye and was installed with > > linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64. It's running linux-image-5.10.0-31-amd64 > > now, so

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

y to sort it out it may take longer than half a day. And as I'm still not an expert with dpkg and apt I sometimes ask questions here and generally get helpful answers. So yes, I'm still happy with running Debian unstable. I hope this helps you to decide if unstable is something for you. Detlef

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

> > > This particular one may originate from > > > I had forgotten that page even existed. It hasn't been touched in 16 years. -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 11031 Dec 12 2007 sidfaq.html At this point it should be considered a historical artifact rather than

Re: Debian should have a rolling release version; was: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 22 Jul 2024 18:10 -0400, from noloa...@gmail.com (Jeffrey Walton): > A perfect case on point is "TTY1 layer bug", > . > Folks thought it was benign, and did not patch it or port existing > patches. It was one of

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 22 Jul 2024 21:20 -0500, from deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk (David Wright): > The machine I'm typing on is running bullseye and was installed with > linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64. It's running linux-image-5.10.0-31-amd64 > now, so that's 22 different versions over 27 months, and a lot of work > put in

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

Does anyone here use Debian Sid for professional work and programming? Are you happy with this? I just want to know your opinions about this experience. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:52 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 23/07/2024 09:23, Max Nikulin wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 23/07/2024 09:23, Max Nikulin wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 23/07/2024 02:30, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you w

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon 22 Jul 2024 at 18:10:24 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 5:41 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > > [...] > > > 4. As I know Debian Sid does not have some packages like Arch, why? They > > > have rolling releases? I mean

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 5:41 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > [...] > > 4. As I know Debian Sid does not have some packages like Arch, why? They > > have rolling releases? I mean packages, for example, hyprland. > > Debian sid is not a rolling relea

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

Hi, On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: > 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does > Debian Sid crash and breaked? If you have to ask this question, you should not t

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 23 Jul 2024 01:27 +0500, from cybertat...@gmail.com (타토카): > I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the > website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM will > crash, I just want to know what the solution can be for it. You have mentioned at least

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 00:25:27 (+0500), 타토카 wrote: > I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): > "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so > without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious > environment, you

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 21:38:23 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 01:27:49 +0500 > 타토카 wrote: > > > I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the > > website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM > > will crash, I just want to know what the solu

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM will crash, I just want to know what the solution can be for it. I am interested in Debian Sid. But I just want to Insure myself of problems, which happened in th

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): > "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so > without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious > environment, you

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

rote: > > On 7/22/24 3:38 AM, 타토카 wrote: > > Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: > > 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often > > does Debian Sid crash and breaked? > > > I can't speak about Arch; I mo

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 7/22/24 3:38 AM, 타토카 wrote: Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does Debian Sid crash and breaked? I can't speak about Arch; I mostly use Sid on all my workstations, but none

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: > 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does > Debian Sid crash and breaked? this depends upon which packages are used frequently. > 2. I have seen on the Debian o

Debian Sid. General questions.

Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does Debian Sid crash and breaked? 2. I have seen on the Debian official site about Debian Sid and PAM. If I have this problem with PAM, what should I do? 3

Re: General questions

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 7:55 AM 타토카 wrote: > > And can you explain to me what is it, please? * > > $ alias | grep sha > alias sha1='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha1 ' > alias sha256='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha256 ' > alias sha512='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha512 ' It's a way of getting sha sums for a fi

Re: General questions

On 11/07/24 at 13:55, 타토카 wrote: And can you explain to me what is it, please? * $ alias | grep sha alias sha1='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha1 ' alias sha256='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha256 ' alias sha512='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha512 ' Since you are asking this question maybe you don't know that

Re: General questions

On Jul 11, 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 17:23:43 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > But, what do you mean: "Because you haven't established a chain of trust > > from yourself to any of the signatures." > > Imagine someone walks up to you on the street and hands you a contract, > which i

Re: General questions

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 17:23:43 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > But, what do you mean: "Because you haven't established a chain of trust > from yourself to any of the signatures." Imagine someone walks up to you on the street and hands you a contract, which is signed by someone you've never heard of. You do

Re: General questions

Hi, cybertat...@gmail.com wrote: > gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! That's normal. The concept of a "web of trust" suffers from the fact that most people which i know good enough to trust them in general have no idea of PGP and thus are not really trustworthy in s

Re: General questions

Ok, I think this is really enough for verification ( Maybe (^_^) ). But, what do you mean: "Because you haven't established a chain of trust from yourself to any of the signatures." Is it only for Debian developers? And is it very important? On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:58 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: >

Re: General questions

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 16:47:45 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Why 64 signatures not checked and no ultimately trusted keys found here: > $ gpg --import key-DA87E80D6294BE9B.txt > gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: 64 signatures not checked due to missing keys > gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: public key "Debian CD signi

Re: General questions

And can you explain to me what is it, please? * $ alias | grep sha alias sha1='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha1 ' alias sha256='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha256 ' alias sha512='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha512 ' On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:47 PM 타토카 wrote: > Why 64 signatures not checked and no ultimately t

Re: General questions

Why 64 signatures not checked and no ultimately trusted keys found here: $ gpg --import key-DA87E80D6294BE9B.txt gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: 64 signatures not checked due to missing keys gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: public key "Debian CD signing key " imported gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg:

Re: General questions

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 6:07 PM 타토카 wrote: > > Hello, dear Debian Community. > > I just wanted to check a key with GPG. > > I have found this on https://www.debian.org/CD/verify: > > pub rsa4096/DA87E80D6294BE9B 2011-01-05 [SC] > > Key fingerprint = DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294

Re: General questions

Hello, dear Debian Community. I just wanted to check a key with GPG. I have found this on https://www.debian.org/CD/verify: pub rsa4096/DA87E80D6294BE9B 2011-01-05 [SC] Key fingerprint = DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B uid Debian CD signing key How can

Re: General questions

On 7/8/24 19:02, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 06:08:49PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 7/8/24 17:20, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:15:00AM +0500, 타토카 wrote: I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user" The only cost associated with this mailing list is

Re: General questions

On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 06:08:49PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 7/8/24 17:20, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:15:00AM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > > I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user" > > > > The only cost associated with this mailing list is your sanity. > > >

Re: General questions

On 7/8/24 17:20, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:15:00AM +0500, 타토카 wrote: I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user" The only cost associated with this mailing list is your sanity. +1, Andy. Some of us get downright upset with the Karens that think they run this all volu

Re: General questions

Hi, On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:15:00AM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user" The only cost associated with this mailing list is your sanity. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: General questions

Hi, cybertat...@gmail.com wrote: >     2.2. I have done then: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --verify > SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS >     2.3. Then I have got next info: Signed was made in 30 june 2024 >    And RSA key: DF9B9C49EAA9298432589D76DA87E80D6294BE9B > I have compared 2011 's key and

Re: General questions

On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 00:15:00 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Thank you all for your answers. > 1. But I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user":) But I really like > your answers about Debian's freedom. I think it is useful information. > Thanks. The debian-user mailing list is open to all who wish to

Re: General questions

Thank you all for your answers. 1. But I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user":) But I really like your answers about Debian's freedom. I think it is useful information. Thanks. 2. I just have verified GPG's keys manually: https://keyring.debian.org/ 2.1. I have downloaded SHA512 SUMS.sign

Re: General questions

other peoples' questions. Some contribute bug reports, code or documentation changes either to correct errors or to improve clarity. Some introduce their friends, family and relatives to free software and offer hands-on help. Some companies provide services at a lower price to people who are active in

Re: General questions

Hi, cybertat...@gmail.com wrote: > 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? > Is checksum verification (sha216sum, sha512sum) enough? Only if you are trusting the site from where you downloaded the ISO. In that case you'd use the checksums in the files SHA256SUMS and SHA512SUMS as mere contro

Re: General questions

타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions: > 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? Yes. There are non-Debian businesses which can sell you support, if you like, but Debian software is all free. > 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? Is checksum ver

Re: General questions

On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:24:13PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions: > 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? > 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? Is checksum verification > (sha216sum, sha512sum) enough? Should I verify with GPG

Re: General questions

On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 22:24:13 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions: > 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? Debian is Free Software. You are allowed to download it, in both binary and source forms, without requiring a subscription, or a license,

General questions

Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions: 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? Is checksum verification (sha216sum, sha512sum) enough? Should I verify with GPG? If so, how can I do that? Or can you give me any additional advice to do

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT (was: playing CDROM music questions)

On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 10:57:29AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>What are you talking about? FAT does not get “overloaded” by long > >>filenames. > > Seen it happen; > > I have serious doubts about the "it". > > > Long filenames, mixed case, and files saved at the beginning of > > a session of

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT (was: playing CDROM music questions)

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 10:07:26 -0600 David Wright wrote: Hello David, >The size of that is fixed when formatted, at least up to FAT16. >Long filenames will eat it up more quickly still. Create >subdirectories and the problem goes away. Yes, this is exactly what I experienced. So not the FAT at fa

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT (was: playing CDROM music questions)

On Tue 09 Jan 2024 at 10:57:29 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>What are you talking about? FAT does not get “overloaded” by long > >>filenames. > > Seen it happen; > > I have serious doubts about the "it". > > > Long filenames, mixed case, and files saved at the beginning of > > a session of c

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT (was: playing CDROM music questions)

>>What are you talking about? FAT does not get “overloaded” by long >>filenames. > Seen it happen; I have serious doubts about the "it". > Long filenames, mixed case, and files saved at the beginning of > a session of copying multiple files would be lost because the FAT was > filled, and overwrit

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 16:15:27 +0100 Nicolas George wrote: Hello Nicolas, >Pictures or it did not happen. Didn't bother because it appeared to be a well-understood phenomenon, based on my limited research. -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}" / ) "The b

Re: playing CDROM music questions

Brad Rogers (12024-01-09): > Seen it happen; Long filenames, mixed case, and files saved at the > beginning of a session of copying multiple files would be lost because > the FAT was filled, and overwritten from the start by files added later > in the session. > > We are talking in excess of 20,0

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 13:25:52 +0100 Nicolas George wrote: Hello Nicolas, >What are you talking about? FAT does not get “overloaded” by long >filenames. Seen it happen; Long filenames, mixed case, and files saved at the beginning of a session of copying multiple files would be lost because the FA

Re: playing CDROM music questions

Brad Rogers (12024-01-09): > Depends; I ended up buying three smaller sticks, because the > limitations of the file system meant that the File Allocation Table > got filled up wy before the larger capacity memory sticks did. The USB sticks we were discussing in this thread are way below the l

Re: playing CDROM music questions

Haines Brown (12024-01-08): > and that seems to have fixed the buffer problem. Nice. > The scripts folder is in my path. I holds many commands I regularly > use. > > Turns out that the "play" command was earlier taken by another > application. So I changed the command from play to Play, and n

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 21:09:54 + Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: Hello Michael, >Alternatively, they also offer SanDisk SDXC 128 GB memory cards at $14 >a piece. One such will easily hold 1000 CDs at near-CD quality MP3. Depends; I ended up buying three smaller sticks, because

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On Monday 08 January 2024 03:49:17 pm Haines Brown wrote: > where can find an inexpensive drive to hold about 1000 cds and find > the time do all the converting? ㋡ The 4TB drive in my server has about 77GB roughly holding a similar amount of stuff. The time was over a rather lengthy period of

Re: playing CDROM music questions

> The time to physically go through all those CDs, now that's a slightly > different issue. Once you've setup your "rip" tool (I used mostly `grip` back then, not sure what's still maintained, maybe `abcde`?), it's a small matter of putting the next CD in the drive when the previous one is ejected

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On 8 Jan 2024 15:49 -0500, from hai...@histomat.net (Haines Brown): >> But unless you cannot spare 60 megaoctets somewhere, save yourself a lot >> of trouble: just run cdparanoia -B then opusenc and put back the audio >> CD at the back of the shelf where it belongs. > > where can find an inexpensi

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 05:37:00PM +0100, Michel Verdier wrote: > On 2024-01-08, Haines Brown wrote: > > But the $ play command only returns the aplay -help info. Why won't > > the script work? > > You fumble on another "play" program. Try "type -a play" to > confirm. Then just rename your scrip

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 04:32:37PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > I suspect this is because of insufficient read-ahead or insufficient > bandwidth, as you seems to assume to based on your comment on buffer > size. You might be able to use --cache=yes to improve matters. To judge by the man mpla

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 05:23:34PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Haines Brown (12024-01-08): > > I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount Understood about not mounting CDROM disks. Confused music with data disks > > The mplayer command $ mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/sr

CD-DA sector addressing, was Re: playing CDROM music questions

Hi, i cannot contribute much to the practical issues with playing music. But i'd like to clarify technical properties of CD-DA media: Nicolas George wrote: > compared to data CDs, audio CDs lack one layer of error-correcting code True. Another drawback is that CD-DA sectors cannot be read by th

Re: playing CDROM music questions

Michael Kjörling (12024-01-08): > Note that while CD-DA disks are technically CD-ROM disks (compact disk > read only media), in typical usage "CD-ROM" is taken to mean a CD > which contains _data organized as files within a file system_, often > an ISO-9660 file system typically with extensions (Ro

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On 2024-01-08, Haines Brown wrote: > I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount > the cdrive. But I can play cds without mounting. Wny is mounting > sometimes recommended? It talks about mounting "data" CD. Audio CD cannot be mounted and are accessed by device (like /de

Re: playing CDROM music questions

On 8 Jan 2024 11:00 -0500, from hai...@histomat.net (Haines Brown): > I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount > the cdrive. But I can play cds without mounting. Wny is mounting > sometimes recommended? You mount a file system. Audio CDs (that is, CD-DA disks) do not h

Re: playing CDROM music questions

Haines Brown (12024-01-08): > I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount Please do not remove the protocol part from the URL, it makes auto-detection and copy-pasting more annoying. > the cdrive. I do not see this page suggesting to mount audio CDs. Audio CDs do not con

playing CDROM music questions

I wish to play cdrom music discs from an exterrnal USB CDROM drive. It is the Rioddas drive recomended for linux. I find that often (such as wiki.debian.org/CDDVD) I'm told to mount the cdrive. But I can play cds without mounting. Wny is mounting sometimes recommended? I wanted to use aplay to

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On 05/12/2023 01:41, Greg Wooledge wrote: unicorn:~$ LC_TIME=en_US.utf8 printf '%(%c)T\n' Mon 04 Dec 2023 01:34:42 PM EST Sadly, you're restricted to the choices offered by your installed locales. If you can't find an installed locale which has an acceptable LC_TIME format, then you can try to r

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

On 08/12/2023 11:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:18:44PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: All of these considerations are what brought Oracle to create a proprietary "datetime" datatype and use it to store all "real" dates/times. If you need a different format for display

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On 08/12/2023 23:12, Bonno Bloksma wrote: So, in pseudo code bool isleapyear (int year) { return false; I've heard such a calendar was in use in ancient Egypt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sothic_cycle Its disadvantage was that crop reaping and tax paying dates were slowly becoming

ntpsec as server questions

I had a total crash and among the things missing after the psu was replaced, was apparently all my tbird message tags, as I had been tagging this whole thread so I could look it up again after the dust settled. But now I have no tags. ISTR someone gave me a journalctl line that picked out all

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On Thu 07 Dec 2023 at 22:07:44 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 09:38:43AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > - IANA TZ DB does not support timezones disappeared before 1970. > > > > Ohhh, *this* is the kind of reference I

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 04:12:54PM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > Hi Greg, > > bool isleapyear (int year) { > > if (year % 400 == 0) return true; > > if (year % 100 == 0) return false; > > if (year % 4 == 0) return true; > > return false; > > } > > Except, I think it should be in re

RE: ntpsec as server questions

Hi Greg, > The rule for leap years is: > > Every year that is exactly divisible by four is a leap year, except > for years that are exactly divisible by 100, but these centurial years > are leap years if they are exactly divisible by 400. For example, the > years 1700, 1800, and 1900 are

Re: ntpsec as server questions

Hi, gene heskett wrote: > > In the FWIW dept this time formula is pretty accurate back to the > > middle of 4713 BC. Greg Wooledge wrote: > Even the *Julian* calendar used in ancient Rome wouldn't have been in > use in 4713 BC. Any calendar would have been locally defined, if one > existed at al

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 07:32:25AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > Also, the idea that a calculation of *anything* in our current Gregorian > calendar system would extend back to a BC date is ludicrous [...] The high-class version of this swear word would be "proleptic". But yeah, I agree wi

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 11:19:19PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > [...] a method for determining leap years. It was also > used in some astronomical programs for lunar and solar eclipses. This I > think was the reason that all unix times start at midnight 1/1/1970. In the > FWIW dept this time formul

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 11:19:19PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Of minor interest to me, not once in the above link does it credit the K&R > Manual for C, which has a method for determining leap years. The what now? Leap years are defined by the Gregorian Calendar, as declared in the 16th century

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:18:44PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: [...] > All of these considerations are what brought Oracle to create a proprietary > "datetime" datatype and use it to store all "real" dates/times. If you need > a different format for display purposes or a human readable column

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 09:11:12AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > > > > Databases should never store local time. > > > > > > There are exceptions when sto

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On 12/7/23 22:08, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 09:38:43AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: - IANA TZ DB does not support timezones disappeared before 1970. Ohhh, *this* is the kind of reference I've been looking for. So, we s

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

On Thu, Dec 7, 2023, 8:11 PM Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > >> On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > >>> Databases should never store local time. > >> > >> There are exceptions when storing UTC instead

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 09:38:43AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > - IANA TZ DB does not support timezones disappeared before 1970. > Ohhh, *this* is the kind of reference I've been looking for. So, we simply acknowledge that historical clock

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On 07/12/2023 06:11, Pocket wrote: Because DST was not in force/usage except the metro NYC. Every where else didn't use/have it. That makes EST5DST correct except for NYC and America/New_York completely incorrect except of course NYC. Which is why I prefer to use EST5DST It may be a vali

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: Databases should never store local time. There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time leads to undesired consequences. Heh. There was one hug

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > > Databases should never store local time. > > I am anticipating a new branch of hot discussion. > > There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time leads to > undesired consequenc

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On Thu 07 Dec 2023 at 09:37:29 (-0500), Pocket wrote: > On 12/7/23 09:22, John Hasler wrote: > > Greg writes: > > > You'd think that you can determine the length of the test by > > > subtracting the start time from the end time, right? > > That would have worked had the times been stored as UTC (be

Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: Databases should never store local time. I am anticipating a new branch of hot discussion. There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time leads to undesired consequences. Planned (future) events may be bound namely to local time. So if t

Re: ntpsec as server questions

On 12/7/23 09:22, John Hasler wrote: Greg writes: You'd think that you can determine the length of the test by subtracting the start time from the end time, right? That would have worked had the times been stored as UTC (better yet, TAI or Unix time since UTC can cause a similar problem). Da

Re: ntpsec as server questions

Greg writes: > You'd think that you can determine the length of the test by > subtracting the start time from the end time, right? That would have worked had the times been stored as UTC (better yet, TAI or Unix time since UTC can cause a similar problem). Databases should never store local time.

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