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On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 04:38:02PM -0500, David Niklas wrote: > > You two are really funny. > This thread is kinda funny too, don't you guys have more productive things > to do then argue? Probably the best time, at a guess, is *after* productive work. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers

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On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:09:34 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 06 January 2016 11:46:09 Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Wednesday 06 January 2016 15:45:22 Ric Moore wrote: > > > > jdd writes: > > > >> sexism - like describing women as men's toys should be prohibited > > > >> (apart for historical

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On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:57:40 +0100 deloptes wrote: > But we want to be politically correct right? "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition

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Hi, how about we just add these obscure figures to the list of known sex offenders and close the case ? http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/c/c9/Toy-story-2-characters-desktop-wallpaper-3840x2400.jpg Have a nice day :) Thomas

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deloptes writes: > You've seen an "obese" coming out from McDonalds or similar with take > away bag full to the top? How do you feel? S/he is taking care of > what ... the money all we pay to the health care system for her/his > treatments? Chris Bannister writes: > I personally resent that. Do

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On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 08:02:14AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > deloptes writes: > > You've seen an "obese" coming out from McDonalds or similar with take > > away bag full to the top? How do you feel? S/he is taking care of > > what ... the money all we pay to the health care system for her/his >

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On 06/01/16 10:00, Mart van de Wege wrote: There is nothing wrong with trying to reach a reasonable accommodation with people to make them feel more comfortable. The only argument against OP is simply that you feel that they are not asking for a *reasonable* accommodation. That can be debated,

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Anders Andersson writes: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> Others? You and I seem to have different ideas about what we want >> children to find when they reach up on the family/school bookshelf. > > Please leave your children's

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On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 09:36:58 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Start educating is what I want to say, start educating your children, and > building up self protection. Believe me this is the only way you can > protect them. And that would start with educating the parents... Cheers,

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On Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 09:36:58AM +0100, deloptes wrote: > I would suggest all of you stop this discussion. It points to no where. Your suggestion would carry more moral weight if you had followed your own advice, rather than suffixing your opinion as if as some kind of definitive coda.

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On Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 11:00:48AM +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote: > Anders Andersson writes: > > Hopefully no one will have to determine if a package is "child-safe" > > before accepting it into Debian. That would be a big can of worms to > > open. > > But we already do so.

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jdd writes: > sexism - like describing women as men's toys should be prohibited > (apart for historical work), and images may be such. And disrespectful images of pasta should also be prohibited. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

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Le 06/01/2016 13:00, Martin Read a écrit : To me, the OP doesn't seem to be asking for an "accommodation" at all, but rather for the images to be removed and similar material excluded from Debian in future. sexism - like describing women as men's toys should be prohibited (apart for

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On 01/06/2016 08:38 AM, John Hasler wrote: jdd writes: sexism - like describing women as men's toys should be prohibited (apart for historical work), and images may be such. And disrespectful images of pasta should also be prohibited. We've already been through this loop with Supertuxkart,

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On 06/01/16 14:53, deloptes wrote: BTW a doctor dealing with overweight (political correct word) people stated, most (90%) are fat because they have unhealthy life and food. All desieases they have are a result of it. No one can escape causality. That's it! This is not a blame. This is a fact.

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On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:53:14 +0100 deloptes wrote: > dealing with overweight (political correct word) people Please: "ponderally challenged"... Cheers, Ron. -- Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the

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On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:11 PM, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 09:36:58 +0100 > deloptes wrote: > >> Start educating is what I want to say, start educating your children, and >> building up self protection. Believe me this is the

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(yes, I know, old post, and offtopic. Still, pet peeve...) > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:25:55 -0800 > From: jr...@salford-systems.com > > [..] combined with a general contempt for women > (beautiful or not) as weaklings and inferiors. Thus, while removing > sexually provacative pictures from

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Le 06/01/2016 16:44, Charlie Kravetz a écrit : Even if a doctor states 90% of obese people are that way due to an unhealthy lifestyle, how do you, as an observer, determine who is in that other 10%. There is no way to make that determination without their health records. That is the truth.

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On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:53:14 +0100 deloptes wrote: >jdd wrote: > >> it's mostly a matter of respect: do not blame somebody for his gender, >> religion or color (or anything else like fatness or dumbness...) > >I do not blame, I do ascertain something. And I do not understand

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On Wednesday 06 January 2016 15:45:22 Ric Moore wrote: > > jdd writes: > >> sexism - like describing women as men's toys should be prohibited > >> (apart for historical work), and images may be such. > > > > And disrespectful images of pasta should also be prohibited. > > We've already been

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On 01/05/2016 04:24 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:21:02 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: Hello Joel, of the clipart out into a separate package so that a child looking for a general image of a woman won't bump into a male sexual fantasy Not aimed at any person,

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On Wednesday 06 January 2016 11:46:09 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 06 January 2016 15:45:22 Ric Moore wrote: > > > jdd writes: > > >> sexism - like describing women as men's toys should be prohibited > > >> (apart for historical work), and images may be such. > > > > > > And disrespectful

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:21:02 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: Hello Joel, >of the clipart out into a separate package so that a child looking for >a general image of a woman won't bump into a male sexual fantasy Not aimed at any person, just observation. By putting "sensitive"

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:21:02 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > > Hello Joel, Hello, Brad, >>of the clipart out into a separate package so that a child looking for >>a general image of a woman won't bump into a

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Anders Andersson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> Others? You and I seem to have different ideas about what we want >> children to find when they reach up on the family/school bookshelf. > >

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > Others? You and I seem to have different ideas about what we want > children to find when they reach up on the family/school bookshelf. Please leave your children's upbringing out of our operating system. I'm not sure why

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Fernando Arenas wrote: >> have found in a package called >> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented >> as sex objects. > > I had a look at >

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On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> The comment on facebook aside, I looked at the first twenty or so >> images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very >> much one that treats people as

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Fernando Arenas wrote: >> have found in a package called >> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented >> as sex objects. > > I had a look at >

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On 02/01/16 08:52, Richard Hector wrote: > > I'm also aware that the respondents to this thread so far appear to be > (apologies if I'm mistaken) male; I'm not sure whether the women of > the list have deliberately withheld comment? > Well, I suspect that the more level-headed members of this

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John Hasler writes: > peter write: >> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship? > > Political incorrectness. So when do we see your bugreport asking to merge fortunes-off into fortunes? Mart -- "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes." ---

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 08:52:24PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: [...] > I'm also aware that the respondents to this thread so far appear to be > (apologies if I'm mistaken) male; I'm not sure whether the women of > the list have deliberately

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> Chris Bannister writes: > > Is sarcasm ever necessary? (BTW, I don't recall reading any.) > > I posted some. And yes, it is sometimes justified. He must have missed my reply, where I profusely thanked the original poster for the useful pointer he had given us ;-3) Cheers, Ron. --

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On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 08:37:12AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 08:52:24PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > > I'm also aware that the respondents to this thread so far appear to be > > (apologies if I'm mistaken) male; I'm not sure whether the women of > > the list have

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Chris Bannister writes: > Is sarcasm ever necessary? (BTW, I don't recall reading any.) I posted some. And yes, it is sometimes justified. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/01/16 07:05, Martin Read wrote: > On 01/01/16 17:47, Ric Moore wrote: >> On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, pe...@berghold.net wrote: >>> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship? >> >> I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric > > An

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:22:13 +0100 deloptes sent: > The only solution in my opinion is to explain and give a good example > to the children for what is good and what is bad. Once they know it, > they do not forget. How often do the children see the worst sexism and other iniquities in their

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On 01/01/2016 05:51 PM, Charlie wrote: On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:22:13 +0100 deloptes sent: The only solution in my opinion is to explain and give a good example to the children for what is good and what is bad. Once they know it, they do not forget. How often do the children see the worst

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deloptes writes: > I do not want our women to wear hijab, because someone could be > affected when they show their neck, or chin. Following the OPs request > we would end up there sooner or later. Of course, the OP would probably want women to be forbidden to wear ha jib... -- John Hasler

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Just for the record, in case the package maintainer or policy group look at this thread hoping for representative opinions: On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Gary Dale wrote: > On 31/12/15 03:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> >> On 31/12/15 06:15 AM, Fernando Arenas wrote: >>> >>>

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On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Martin Read wrote: > On 01/01/16 17:47, Ric Moore wrote: >> >> On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, pe...@berghold.net wrote: >>> >>> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship? >> >> >> I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric > > > An image

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On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote: I looked at the first twenty or so images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children finding those when looking for clipart. In my opinion, a complaint is

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Hi, pe...@berghold.net wrote: > I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship? Article 5 Grundgesetz (that's our local constitition) says: "No censorship happens." Therefore it is forbidden to say that censorship happens. Have a nice day :) Thomas

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On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, pe...@berghold.net wrote: I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship? I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only

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On 01/01/16 17:47, Ric Moore wrote: On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, pe...@berghold.net wrote: I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship? I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric An image can feature full frontal nudity without being an exercise in sexual objectification, and equally

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I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship? Sent from my android device. -Original Message- From: Ric Moore <wayward4...@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:21 Subject: Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png On 01/01/2016 04

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peter write: > I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship? Political incorrectness. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

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Message- > From: Ric Moore <wayward4...@gmail.com> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Sent: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:21 > Subject: Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png > > On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > I looked at the first twenty or so > &g

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:15:01 +0100 Fernando Arenas wrote: > The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called > openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented > as sex objects. Thank you for the pointer, I'll install the package

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Hi, Fernando Arenas wrote: > have found in a package called > openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented > as sex objects. I had a look at https://sources.debian.net/src/openclipart2/2.0%2Bdfsg-1/clipart/ Some of the images in your list are moderate male

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My two cents (not worth very much nowadays, I am afraid): I have not looked at the collections but like others, there simply have to be some girlie stuff, scantily clad beauties, ripped men, etc. I suppose these have place in clipart collections, someone might make use of them and not

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On 12/31/2015 07:31 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: Thank you for the pointer, I'll install the package immediately, and enjoy a look at those pictures... I'm on it too. :0 Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance,

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Hello Fernando: I am not sure that the debian-user forum is the best place for your message: what I mean is that you may want to target better. The debian-user forum is meant for end users who are not responsible for the content of the packages. First, you may want to make a bugreport for the

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On 31/12/15 12:21, deloptes wrote: Fernando Arenas wrote: openclipart2 so which one is bugging you? There's a list at the end of the OP. I don't agree that any of the images on that list need to be removed from Debian for the reasons stated by the OP (I can't comment on whether they

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On 31/12/15 06:15 AM, Fernando Arenas wrote: First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day to improve this wonderful operating system. The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are

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Hello, On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Fernando Arenas wrote: > First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day to > improve this wonderful operating system. > The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called > openclipart2

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I was going to respond to the original post privately, as my thoughts are off topic, but at this point, I think I need to do it publicly. While pornography and its attendant portrayal of women, children, and even men as sex objects encourage all manner of perverse behaviors, I don't that

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Javier Barroso writes: > As workaround, you can create a dpkg config file on > /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/ (maybe called openclipart2-exclusions) with: > path-exclude /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Wom* > path-exclude /usr/share/openclipart2/png/ > Then do apt-get

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On 31/12/15 03:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 31/12/15 06:15 AM, Fernando Arenas wrote: First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day to improve this wonderful operating system. The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called openclipart2 clipsarts