Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-26 Thread Cam Ellison
Steve Lamb wrote: I have been specific. I have even given examples! PMMail and The Bat! Screen shots alone for those two products speak volumes! I don't know The Bat, but I use PMMail, and it's head and shoulders above anything else I have seen. I don think it asking too much for

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-25 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 10:27:44PM -0400, Neil L. Roeth wrote: My impression is that you think that to get mail from several sources with fetchmail and have it put into separate folders requires that you dump it into a single file and then filter using regular expressions in procmail.

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-24 Thread Seth Cohn
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:31:07AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote Technically, yes. However, if your boss says that work email is not to touch outside SMTP servers as a matter of policy how far do you think Well, the SMTP server will route it

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-24 Thread brian moore
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:39:01PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:31:07AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote Technically, yes. However, if your boss says that work email is not to touch outside SMTP servers as a matter of policy

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-24 Thread John Pearson
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:39:01PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:31:07AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote Technically, yes. However, if your boss says that work email is not to touch outside SMTP servers as a matter of policy

Re: What are MUA, MTA, MDA? (Was Re: Linux Mail Client)

2000-08-24 Thread David Zoll
David Teague wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote: [snip] I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are: MUA: mutt MDA: procmail MTA: exim John, 1) What do MTA, MUA, MDA stand for? MTA: Mail Transfer Agent MDA: Mail Delivery Agent MUA: Mail

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Will Trillich
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 01:40:33AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: No, I mean exactly what an MUA says it is. Mutt is an MUA but, to me, it is not a mail client. A mail client is able to transfer and manipulate the required data without need of other programs. A constant example I give, which

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, August 23, 2000, 5:33:38 PM, John wrote: *sigh* bosses, bosses, bosses. All other arguments in this thread aside, this one is a bit weird. Does your boss realise that any non-local mail you send via your work SMTP server will be

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, August 23, 2000, 12:30:25 PM, Matthew wrote: This level of modularization offers far more power and flexibility, as it becomes easier to implement new features and capabilities (as the amount of code that has to be re-implemented from

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, August 24, 2000, 12:19:06 PM, Will wrote: maybe this is the snag you're caught on: Nope, it isn't where I am getting caught on. in the unix paradigm (which linux inhereted/cloned) the idea is to make modules that serve a certain

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Will Trillich
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 08:18:23AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Well, gee, if you'd open your eyes and READ.. I DID GIVE THE NAME! In fact, I gave it well before describing where it was but since people couldn't find it from the NAME I thought maybe giving the exact location of it in the

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Daniel E. Baumann
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, August 24, 2000, 12:19:06 PM, Will wrote: maybe this is the snag you're caught on: Nope, it isn't where I am getting caught on. in the unix paradigm (which linux inhereted/cloned) the

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, August 24, 2000, 12:45:11 PM, Daniel wrote: Don't you guys think you have beaten this thing into the ground. Enough already. Give it a rest. I don't think you are ever going to get through to Mr. Lamb. If you are that unhappy about mail

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Brendan Cully
On Thursday, 24 August 2000 at 13:01, Steve Lamb wrote: Hash: SHA1 Thursday, August 24, 2000, 12:45:11 PM, Daniel wrote: Don't you guys think you have beaten this thing into the ground. Enough already. Give it a rest. I don't think you are ever going to get through to Mr. Lamb. If you

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Will Trillich
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:38:41AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: So there is another part of the process. You know what that is? Admitting there is a problem. Something that you, Brian, and loads others cannot admit. That there is a problem in the current spectrum of how mail is

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, August 24, 2000, 1:51:58 PM, Will wrote: where, in that mix, is there a problem? Hmmm, maybe the fact that you don't mind the mixed-up mess that those tools force you into? - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread paul
Hi, I've been following this thread for a while now, and I'm unsure of a few things. Perhaps you can clear things up a little. First, I'm unclear as to whether you are claiming that the traditional unix methods for handling mail cannot handle your needs, or if you are saying that you have a

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Daniel E. Baumann
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, August 24, 2000, 12:45:11 PM, Daniel wrote: Don't you guys think you have beaten this thing into the ground. Enough already. Give it a rest. I don't think you are ever going to get through to

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Jonathan Crockett
It's like a car wreck, I just had to look... Personal Quote: Then ingenuity of human stupidity will never cease to amaze me. -- Steve Lamb http://www.dmiyu.org/~grey/morpheus.html -- Jonathan Crockett Once and Done Network Engineer GPG Key ID 1024D/EA788479

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:47:16AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: There is no concept of personalities. Click in the account you want to use, click new message, it uses that account. The Bat! offers the choice of changing which accout you use after opening the new message. Personality,

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, August 24, 2000, 4:52:34 PM, Mark wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:47:16AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: There is no concept of personalities. Click in the account you want to use, click new message, it uses that account. The Bat!

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-24 Thread Neil L. Roeth
On Aug 23, Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:53:43PM -0700, brian moore wrote: Huh? From a single source? Yes, a single source. Fetchmail. Note that in my example (if you had bothered to read it), you would have seen that ~/.procmailrc was

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread brian moore
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 08:21:53PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:21:15PM -0700, brian moore wrote: Note that the filtering is done by fetchmail. If you don't want filters, then don't specify that portion of the command line. Which proves my point that you need to

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Seth Cohn
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:47:49PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: So go ahead, start a sourceforge project page, and write a damn clone. Go look on Sourceforge in the email clients and notice what the first one /is/. The first one is acmemail (and it's

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:53:43PM -0700, brian moore wrote: Huh? From a single source? Yes, a single source. Fetchmail. Note that in my example (if you had bothered to read it), you would have seen that ~/.procmailrc was irrelevant. Each pop3 mailbox had its own (optional)

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:56:11PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: The first one is acmemail (and it's not what we are talking about here). My apologies. Ever since I started the project several months ago it was the first listed project. I had assumed it was still the case as it was the last time

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread John Pearson
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:36:14AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 07:21:38PM +0930, John Pearson wrote: .forward file allows you to filter your mail into any number of separate mailfolders at delivery time, based on a wide range of criteria including the contents of the

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:34:17AM -0700, brian moore wrote: And I fail to see how a single fetchmail process reading from n servers, with m mailboxes on each, and delivering each remote mailbox to some number greater than m boxes on your machine is anything but what you asked for. I fail

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread kmself
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:38:41AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: This list does matter. Every time someone says, I want something like this you know what the immediate knee-jerk reaction is? You don't want that. What you want to do is this. That is utter bullshit and you know it. /me is

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:21:58AM +0930, John Pearson wrote: Well, that certainly indicates one reason why I'm having difficulty coming to grips with your requirement; we have a problem over terminology. Actually, we don't. The problem is that people aren't willing to look past the

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 01:29:32AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: There area great many things that people suggest as features or why doesn't it work this way, which have been tried, and either don't work, produce security holes, or introduce (generally unnecessary) complexity into the

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread brian moore
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 01:04:31AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:34:17AM -0700, brian moore wrote: And I fail to see how a single fetchmail process reading from n servers, with m mailboxes on each, and delivering each remote mailbox to some number greater than m boxes

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 02:05:35AM -0700, brian moore wrote: You're the one that keeps bringing up 'accounts'. I keep asking what the concept of an 'account' has to do with mailboxes. Mail account. Again, Steve, I have accounts on machines with no mailboxes. I have mailboxes on

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Cory Snavely
Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 12:02:00PM -0500, Mark Schiltz wrote: After hashing through all your comments, I believe I know what you want. An email client that has a folder for [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. (but dosn't call it a folder) with sub-folders for

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread David Zoll
Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:33:48PM -0400, David Zoll wrote: [snip] 1) Fetchmail, which will grab the mail from separate accounts, and stuff it through... Requires filtering to separate out accounts which should be separate in the first place. The way I see it,

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread David Zoll
Steve Lamb wrote: [snip] I have been specific. I have even given examples! PMMail and The Bat! Screen shots alone for those two products speak volumes! OK, I've gone and looked at the websites for those two products. I can't really test either effectively in the real world since: * both

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread David Zoll
Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:47:49PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: So go ahead, start a sourceforge project page, and write a damn clone. Go look on Sourceforge in the email clients and notice what the first one /is/. It's acmemail

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:50:27AM -0400, Cory Snavely wrote: If that's the case, how far is Netscape Communicator from doing what you want (using IMAP)? Have as many IMAP accounts as you want (Netscape doesn't seem to consider them folders), plus a folder structure for each, distinct Inboxes

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:04:38AM -0400, David Zoll wrote: Go look on Sourceforge in the email clients and notice what the first one /is/. It's acmemail (https://sourceforge.net/projects/acmemail/). It's a webmail program that sounds nothing like what you were describing.

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:00:54AM -0400, David Zoll wrote: OK, I've gone and looked at the websites for those two products. I can't really test either effectively in the real world since: * both cost money I'm not willing to spend on this, and; The Bat! has a 30 day trial period,

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:05:56PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 08:44:08PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: ;-) . Having used Outlook, which seems to be the example people are quoting of something that supports this I actually prefer the separate *cough* I have stated two

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:27:40AM -0400, David Zoll wrote: there is a third choice (and I don't mean something that filters but calls it something else), I'd love to hear about it. Simply stated, one program that has two instances in itself. Like an editor which can edit two buffers at

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 03:25:02PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: I've never used either of those. How do they look from a user interface point of view? I'm thinking of things like starting a new mail and deciding which personality it's going to use. There is no concept of personalities.

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:56:11PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: Brian and I said the same thing, and you complained in the answer to him that GNU/Linux isn't just about coding. You are right, it's also about particpating in the process. This means doing things like using betas and Free software:

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 03:44:12PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Free software: contribute nothing, expect nothing As members of the Debian project are sure to tell you there are more ways to contribute than just code. Documentation and testing are two examples that I see recurring all the time

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Paul D. Smith
%% Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's acmemail (https://sourceforge.net/projects/acmemail/). It's a webmail program that sounds nothing like what you were describing. sl Acmemail is the first in email, not email clients. Note above I sl said email clients and not email.

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:52:43AM -0400, Paul D. Smith wrote: sl Acmemail is the first in email, not email clients. Note above I sl said email clients and not email. Would you kindly check again in sl the right area and tell me what the first project is? ALM? Doesn't look like

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Steve Lamb wrote: It is AIMS Prototype. While there is not a lot there what is there is part of what was asked for. the description states, See the forum for more details. Given that the project is still in the planning

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Paul D. Smith
%% Regarding Re: Linux Mail Client; you wrote: sl On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:52:43AM -0400, Paul D. Smith wrote: sl Acmemail is the first in email, not email clients. Note above I sl said email clients and not email. Would you kindly check again in sl the right area and tell me what

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:10:16AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Close, but not perfect. They insist on sending everything out a single SMTP server. This requirement I really don't get: what practical difference does it make? -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:13:42AM -0400, Paul D. Smith wrote: sl *sigh* We must be having a serious problem somewhere. I just sl checked for the third time since last night. First project in sl Email Clients is not acmemail (email) nor ALM (who knows where sl that came from). It is

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I wrote: There's about one page of text in the entire project, which you could have re-posted here. We would have been submitted to _less_ traffic. Heck, I'll post the stupid URL! http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=811

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:14:00AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: There's about one page of text in the entire project, which you could have re-posted here. We would have been submitted to _less_ traffic. You forgot to quote where I stated that there was two purposes, one of which was to

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Preben Randhol
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/08/2000 (17:21) : Heck, I'll post the stupid URL! http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=811 :-) Which of course should have been done in the first place by the project leader. As the amount of work involved in making an email client

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Preben Randhol
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/08/2000 (16:49) : I would be delighted if they took that route. However, the screen shots Have you talked to them? Send an explanation and perhaps they find it a good idea and implement it? -- Preben Randhol - Ph. D student -

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-23 Thread Paul D. Smith
%% Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sl On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:13:42AM -0400, Paul D. Smith wrote: sl *sigh* We must be having a serious problem somewhere. I just sl checked for the third time since last night. First project in sl Email Clients is not acmemail (email) nor ALM

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread Matthew Sackman
No, I mean exactly what an MUA says it is. Mutt is an MUA but, to me, it is not a mail client. A mail client is able to transfer and manipulate the required data without need of other programs. A constant example I give, which is flawed as all are, is web browsing. A web browser is,

What are MUA, MTA, MDA? (Was Re: Linux Mail Client)

2000-08-23 Thread David Teague
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote: [snip] I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are: MUA: mutt MDA: procmail MTA: exim John, 1) What do MTA, MUA, MDA stand for? I know that mutt is a mailer, not unlike exim and smail, but has other functionality.

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-23 Thread John Pearson
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:31:07AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:27:40AM -0400, David Zoll wrote: [snip-o-rama] Which can then route the mail to the appropriate mail server. This is how SMTP was designed to work. Technically, yes. However, if your boss says that

Re: What are MUA, MTA, MDA? (Was Re: Linux Mail Client)

2000-08-23 Thread John Pearson
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 03:42:16PM -0400, David Teague wrote On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote: [snip] I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are: MUA: mutt MDA: procmail MTA: exim John, 1) What do MTA, MUA, MDA stand for? MTA - mail

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Monday, August 21, 2000, 11:05:16 AM, John wrote: An accurate description of any attempt to discuss email software with Mr. Lamb. Only because Unix people have been brainwashed into thinking there is only one TRUE WAY of doing it. Uh, in true

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread markm
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 10:50:18AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Right, and have to stuff them into a single account to get at them with a single client. That, to me, is inelegant. For good reasons I do /not/ mix my personal and professional email. Using fetchmail in the prescribed manner to

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Preben Randhol
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/08/2000 (17:59) : Hate to tell you but fetchmail is not more elegant. In fact, I find it quite archaic. I don't know about you, but there is something about pulling 2 accounts worth of mail, dumping them into a single local account and then have

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:46:00PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .fetchmailrc can have: [] user x is mark here [] user y is julie here Requires a local account for what really isn't a separate account on the local machine. This is a piss-poor hack. Alternatively, if you

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:52:08AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: I think it is you that has done something wrong in the setup. No, I refuse to accept a mediocre solution. I have setup fetchmail on a machine to fetch mail for both users of that machine from the ISP. One of the users even

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Preben Randhol
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/08/2000 (09:58) : On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:52:08AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: I think it is you that has done something wrong in the setup. No, I refuse to accept a mediocre solution. Would you please explain how you would make the software

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread John Pearson
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 12:54:58AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:46:00PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .fetchmailrc can have: [] user x is mark here [] user y is julie here Requires a local account for what really isn't a separate account on the

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread John S. J. Anderson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So far all the Linux clients have taken the Eudora/Lookout!/Pegasus approach to email. Either everything goes into a single inbox and you need to filter out from there and set up personalities or you

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread markm
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 12:54:58AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:46:00PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .fetchmailrc can have: [] user x is mark here [] user y is julie here Requires a local account for what really isn't a separate account on the

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Brendan Cully
Of course you could also use fetchmail's mda option to make an account be delivered to an arbitrary file. But you probably don't care about that. What I've learned from this long and silly thread is there are plenty of ways to receive mail from several accounts and keep them separated, but none

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 11:41:17AM -0400, Brendan Cully wrote: But you probably don't care about that. What I've learned from this long and silly thread is there are plenty of ways to receive mail from several accounts and keep them separated, but none that you like. Too bad. Great

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 03:51:42PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: I don't see it that way. Why should they be forced to create a whole new account to access mail on a different server in a completely different fashion. No other client/server setup requires the user to do that, why sould

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 07:21:38PM +0930, John Pearson wrote: .forward file allows you to filter your mail into any number of separate mailfolders at delivery time, based on a wide range of criteria including the contents of the headers. Now take it a step further, what do you do on the

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:14:24PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Generally, you should just be able to tell your mail client to use a different configuration. Hack. The mail client should be able to do that internally. As far as I'm aware all the MUAs with non-trivial support for IMAP can

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Matthew Sackman
Monday, August 21, 2000, 11:35:05 AM, Mark wrote: I am somewhat tempted to ask why if you want to keep two sets of mail separate sets of mail you find it imperative to handle them both with one instance of a program. Convenience. There is no good reason not to, really. Why should I

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Mark Schiltz
Steve, After hashing through all your comments, I believe I know what you want. An email client that has a folder for [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. (but dosn't call it a folder) with sub-folders for inbox,outbox,etc. (its ok to call these folders) for each of the above non-folders.

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Matthew Sackman
Monday, August 21, 2000, 11:35:05 AM, Mark wrote: I am somewhat tempted to ask why if you want to keep two sets of mail separate sets of mail you find it imperative to handle them both with one instance of a program. Convenience. There is no good reason not to, really. Why

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 03:34:04PM +0100, Matthew Sackman wrote: I think that it is slightly unreasonable to expect to be able to keep two email accounts separate on your local machine and yet demand to be able to access both through a single instance of your MUA. Why? That is exactly

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 12:02:00PM -0500, Mark Schiltz wrote: An email client that has a folder for [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. (but dosn't call it a folder) with sub-folders for inbox,outbox,etc. (its ok to call these folders) for each of the above non-folders. Does that about

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Sven Burgener
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 03:34:04PM +0100, Matthew Sackman wrote: I think that it is slightly unreasonable to expect to be able to keep two email accounts separate on your local machine and yet demand to be able to access both through a single instance of your MUA. I think so, too. To me,

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:37:32AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:14:24PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Generally, you should just be able to tell your mail client to use a different configuration. Hack. The mail client should be able to do that internally. It seems

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Joachim Trinkwitz
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 12:02:00PM -0500, Mark Schiltz wrote: An email client that has a folder for [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. (but dosn't call it a folder) with sub-folders for inbox,outbox,etc. (its ok to call these folders) for

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread David Zoll
Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 11:41:17AM -0400, Brendan Cully wrote: But you probably don't care about that. What I've learned from this long and silly thread is there are plenty of ways to receive mail from several accounts and keep them separated, but none that you like.

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 08:44:08PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: ;-) . Having used Outlook, which seems to be the example people are quoting of something that supports this I actually prefer the separate instances method. Seamlessness is all very well, but things like deciding which account new

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:33:48PM -0400, David Zoll wrote: OK, you want mail from separate accounts to be collected into separate locations in one account, each with their own set of subfolders, and a mail client which can understand this, and send outgoing mail appropriately for the account

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread brian moore
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:10:54PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:33:48PM -0400, David Zoll wrote: OK, you want mail from separate accounts to be collected into separate locations in one account, each with their own set of subfolders, and a mail client which can

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Seth Cohn
Steve Lamb continues to complain: I have been specific. I have even given examples! PMMail and The Bat! Screen shots alone for those two products speak volumes! So go ahead, start a sourceforge project page, and write a damn clone. As someone who uses many email addresses, belongs to

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:47:49PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: So go ahead, start a sourceforge project page, and write a damn clone. Go look on Sourceforge in the email clients and notice what the first one /is/. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:21:15PM -0700, brian moore wrote: Note that the filtering is done by fetchmail. If you don't want filters, then don't specify that portion of the command line. Which proves my point that you need to filter from a single source. Completely stupid. 3)

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-21 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 6:19:39 PM, John wrote: from the fetchmail man page: Too bad fetchmail isn't a client, huh? - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-21 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 6:30:22 PM, John wrote: i do appreciate that the fetchmail approach is more elegant.. but it is more daunting too. Hate to tell you but fetchmail is not more elegant. In fact, I find it quite archaic. I don't know

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-21 Thread Michael Smith
If you have dialup access with many users with different pop accounts (like my family once), you can grab everybody's mail as soon as anyone connects with ppp. That way, nobody has to dial in to check mail--it's already grabbed. Also, you can grab pop mail from multiple servers if you're like

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-21 Thread Phillip Deackes
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hate to tell you but fetchmail is not more elegant. In fact, I find it quite archaic. I don't know about you, but there is something about pulling 2 accounts worth of mail, dumping them into a single local account and then have to filter it all

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-21 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, August 21, 2000, 10:11:17 AM, Michael wrote: Also, you can grab pop mail from multiple servers if you're like the typical guy and have 5+ mail addresses. Right, and have to stuff them into a single account to get at them with a single

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-21 Thread Kent West
Phillip Deackes wrote: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hate to tell you but fetchmail is not more elegant. In fact, I find it quite archaic. I don't know about you, but there is something about pulling 2 accounts worth of mail, dumping them into a single local account and

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-21 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, August 21, 2000, 10:09:55 AM, Phillip wrote: No, no, no!!! hitting head against nearest wall Ah, yes, the sound of a fetchmail user trying to wrap his brain around a new concept. On my machine fetchmail fetches all mail from my ISP

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-21 Thread John Hasler
Phillip Deackes writes: hitting head against nearest wall An accurate description of any attempt to discuss email software with Mr. Lamb. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-21 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, August 21, 2000, 11:05:16 AM, John wrote: An accurate description of any attempt to discuss email software with Mr. Lamb. Only because Unix people have been brainwashed into thinking there is only one TRUE WAY of doing it. - --

Re: Linux Mail Client

2000-08-21 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, August 21, 2000, 10:56:54 AM, Kent wrote: I use IMAP on my office computer and home computer. Anything I want to keep I transfer to folders on one of the local computers. But this allows me to read my Inbox from anywhere I can setup an IMAP

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

2000-08-21 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 10:50:18AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Right, and have to stuff them into a single account to get at them with a single client. That, to me, is inelegant. For good reasons I do /not/ mix my personal and professional email. Using fetchmail in the prescribed manner to

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