Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:00:06 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 19 December 2016 18:58:43 Joe wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:38:51 +0100 > > > > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2016-12-16 18:06:26 +, Joe wrote: > > > > Do you have X running?

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Monday 19 December 2016 18:58:43 Joe wrote: > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:38:51 +0100 > > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2016-12-16 18:06:26 +, Joe wrote: > > > Do you have X running? > > > > Not always. > > > > > I use Synaptic in these situations, where it is easy to try

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-12-19 18:58:43 +, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:38:51 +0100 > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > But that's not automatic (aptitude can also do that, and one can > > undo a choice if it yields removals). > > Difficult to see how it could be automated, as sometimes

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:38:51 +0100 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-12-16 18:06:26 +, Joe wrote: > > Do you have X running? > > Not always. > > > I use Synaptic in these situations, where it is easy to try packages > > to see what can be upgraded without removals I'm

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-12-16 18:06:26 +, Joe wrote: > Do you have X running? Not always. > I use Synaptic in these situations, where it is easy to try packages > to see what can be upgraded without removals I'm not willing to > accept. But that's not automatic (aptitude can also do that, and one can undo

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Fri 16 Dec 2016 at 12:40:29 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-12-07 23:45:24 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 December 2016 14:55:40 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2016-10-13 00:09:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Friday 07 October 2016 15:43:17 Vincent Lefevre wrote:

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 12:40:29 +0100 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-12-07 23:45:24 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 December 2016 14:55:40 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2016-10-13 00:09:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Friday 07 October 2016 15:43:17

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-12-07 23:45:24 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 07 December 2016 14:55:40 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2016-10-13 00:09:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 07 October 2016 15:43:17 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > On 2016-10-04 22:51:34 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > > On

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Wednesday 07 December 2016 14:55:40 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-10-13 00:09:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 07 October 2016 15:43:17 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2016-10-04 22:51:34 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > >

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-10-13 00:09:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 07 October 2016 15:43:17 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2016-10-04 22:51:34 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > my position remains the same: > > > > aptitude is poorly

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 13/10/16 12:09, Lisi Reisz wrote: I don't use Sid, so haven't tested out which package managers are good for it when there are problems, but how about looking at apt or apt-get? Ben says that he has great success with apt-get. Apt-get is much less aggressive than aptitude - but less fully

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Friday 07 October 2016 15:43:17 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-10-04 22:51:34 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > my position remains the same: > > > aptitude is poorly designed. > > > > Fine. So don't use it. But moaning won't help

Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Monday 10 October 2016 19:04:22 Joe wrote: > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:20:22 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > I accepted that analogy too easily. In this case, the wheel isn't > > squeaking. He dislikes the colour and design of the wheel. > > Or perhaps it has been squeaking

Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:20:22 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > > I accepted that analogy too easily. In this case, the wheel isn't > squeaking. He dislikes the colour and design of the wheel. > Or perhaps it has been squeaking for so long that nobody hears it any more.

Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Monday 10 October 2016 09:07:14 Joe wrote: > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:11:07 -0400 (EDT) > > Bob Bernstein wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > Why not just killfile me and go on reading everyone else? > > > > Umm...cuz he doesn't know how to do that?

Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Monday 10 October 2016 09:07:14 Joe wrote: > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:11:07 -0400 (EDT) > > Bob Bernstein wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > Why not just killfile me and go on reading everyone else? > > > > Umm...cuz he doesn't know how to do that?

Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > Why not just killfile me and go on reading everyone else? > > Umm...cuz he doesn't know how to do that? Perhaps? > > One thing's fer sure, he's giving the

Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote: Why not just killfile me and go on reading everyone else? Umm...cuz he doesn't know how to do that? Perhaps? One thing's fer sure, he's giving the time-honored tradition of killfiles a bad name! -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the

Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Sunday 09 October 2016 17:22:07 claude juif wrote: > 2016-10-09 17:57 GMT+02:00 Lisi Reisz : > > On Sunday 09 October 2016 06:23:49 claude juif wrote: > > > This way of answering is really bad. If you have nothing to say, don't > > > write a mail. > > > > I hope that in

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

2016-10-09 17:57 GMT+02:00 Lisi Reisz : > On Sunday 09 October 2016 06:23:49 claude juif wrote: > > This way of answering is really bad. If you have nothing to say, don't > > write a mail. > > I hope that in future you intend to follow your own advice! > > Yep for sure. I

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Sunday 09 October 2016 06:23:49 claude juif wrote: > This way of answering is really bad. If you have nothing to say, don't > write a mail. I hope that in future you intend to follow your own advice! Lisi

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

2016-10-04 16:12 GMT+02:00 Mark Fletcher : > On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 09:25:46AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2016-09-30 14:32:49 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > For goodness sake!!! This is Debian. Open Source. Choice. Your > call. > > > Either rewrite Aptitude and

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

2016-10-04 23:51 GMT+02:00 Lisi Reisz : > On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > my position remains the same: > > aptitude is poorly designed. > > Fine. So don't use it. But moaning won't help anyone, not even you. You > don't like Aptitude. We

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 08/10/16 03:43, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2016-10-04 22:51:34 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: my position remains the same: aptitude is poorly designed. Fine. So don't use it. But moaning won't help anyone, not even you. You don't like

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-10-04 22:51:34 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > my position remains the same: > > aptitude is poorly designed. > > Fine. So don't use it. But moaning won't help anyone, not even you. You > don't like Aptitude. We get the

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Much Open Source software has poor or non-existent > documentation - documentation is the boring bit to write!! Don’t know about boring, but documentation is much harder to write than programs. The development/testing

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Tuesday 04 October 2016 10:48:01 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 03:03:45 AM Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > It's poorly designed because bugs[*] are not fixable. > > > > [*] behavior that doesn't match the documentation. > > If the program has behavior that doesn't match

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > my position remains the same: > aptitude is poorly designed. Fine. So don't use it. But moaning won't help anyone, not even you. You don't like Aptitude. We get the message. So don't use Aptitude. Lisi

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 09:25:46AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-09-30 14:32:49 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > For goodness sake!!! This is Debian. Open Source. Choice. Your call. > > Either rewrite Aptitude and publish a fork; use it; or don't use it. I > > like > > it. Many

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 03:03:45 AM Vincent Lefevre wrote: > It's poorly designed because bugs[*] are not fixable. > > [*] behavior that doesn't match the documentation. If the program has behavior that doesn't match the documentation, that sounds more like poor implementation than poor

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-10-01 14:58:05 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On that note, I wonder if it would be easier to give aptitude some > "resolver profiles" that are selectable on the UI and behave more like > dist-upgrade, safe-upgrade, and the "should work for everything, but > might offer rather

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-30 14:32:49 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > For goodness sake!!! This is Debian. Open Source. Choice. Your call. > Either rewrite Aptitude and publish a fork; use it; or don't use it. I like > it. Many like it. No-one is making you use it. Use your package manager of > choice, or

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-30 09:31:39 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. > >> Just because it doesn't always work the way you want it doesn't mean it > >> should labeled "poorly designed". > > I'm not the only one to complain. > > My point is that saying it's

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Friday 30 September 2016 15:20:07 Ric Moore wrote: > Suppose I don't want Firefox at all?? There is the probable, the possible, the impossible, the unheard of - and then there is not wanting Firefox. ;-) Lisi

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, Andre Majorel wrote: > And that getting some people to acknowledge that there even is a > problem, let alone fix it, should be so difficult. This is a well-known limitation of aptitude (at least among DDs), and given the number of threads about it in d-user, it should be

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Andre Majorel wrote: > On 2016-09-28 10:46 -0500, John Hasler wrote: >> Vincent Lefevre writes: >>> Things like that should not happen. But this is not a bug in the perl >>> packages. This is a misfeature of apt / aptitude, which want to

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-30 14:32 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2016 10:31:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > I'm not the only one to complain. > > For goodness sake!!! This is Debian. Open Source. Choice. > Your call. Either rewrite Aptitude and publish a fork; use > it; or don't use it.

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, John Hasler wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. > > Aptitude was designed to be used with *Stable*. People who use Unstable I didn't get that memo... as far as I am concerned, aptitude is the only interactive apt frontend

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Vincent Lefevre writes: > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. Aptitude was designed to be used with *Stable*. People who use Unstable are expected to know what they are doing and be able to deal with problems. Trying to make Aptitude so intelligent that it could buffer naive users

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 09/30/2016 09:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: You COULD even change to an rpm distro and have a completely different moan available to you. ;-) Who says Linux isn't sexy to use?? I think that the biggest beef is not the package manager, but the packages that depended on everything else

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

>> > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. >> Just because it doesn't always work the way you want it doesn't mean it >> should labeled "poorly designed". > I'm not the only one to complain. My point is that saying it's "poorly designed" is like calling the author an idiot. So it's

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Friday 30 September 2016 10:31:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-09-29 19:04:20 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. > > > > Just because it doesn't always work the way you want it doesn't mean it > > should labeled "poorly designed". > > I'm not

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-29 19:04:20 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. > > Just because it doesn't always work the way you want it doesn't mean it > should labeled "poorly designed". I'm not the only one to complain. -- Vincent Lefèvre -

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:33:58AM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > YES, I know this is Unstable. That's why I specifically made that > declaration in the email's subject line and other (i.e. "the bug > report", grin). I'm one of the ones who issues that statement herself > on regular occasion.

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

> It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. Just because it doesn't always work the way you want it doesn't mean it should labeled "poorly designed". Stefan

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-29 10:50:39 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-09-28 23:05:31 +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > > There is an option to tune the resolver. I have got the following in my > > /etc/apt/apt.conf: > > > > , > > | // tweak Aptitude to not suggest removals as first option > > |

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-29 13:28:48 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-09-29 10:17:57 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > But what if PackageA is something like libc? A hundred packages are to be > > upgraded but PackageB is old and incompatible. Clearly, even though you've > > boosted the cost of removals,

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-29 10:17:57 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > Looking at the documentation for SolutionCost, it only makes removals more > costly. There is no way to say "never remove any packages". Actually, the problem doesn't seem to be a cost one, but the fact that Aptitude *skips* solutions where some

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:00:30AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2016-09-28 19:30:07 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:55:49 +0200 Vincent Lefevre wrote: Hello Vincent, >I'm not asking it to read my mind. I just want it not to >remove any package I have

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 05:03:26PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > As a general rule, I find that using Debian packaging for perl makes > absolutely no sense - and often problematic. It's more complicated than this. There are other (non-Perl,

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-28 14:50:50 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > I'm not asking it to read my mind. I just want it not to remove any > > package I have manually installed. > > It doesn't remove anything without your permission. It proposes > a solution to the problem you present it

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-28 21:37:54 +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2016-09-28 10:46:31 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > >> Vincent Lefevre writes: > > >>> Things like that should not happen. But this is not a bug in the > >>> perl packages. This is a misfeature of

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-28 19:30:07 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:55:49 +0200 > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Hello Vincent, > > >I'm not asking it to read my mind. I just want it not to > >remove any package I have manually installed. > > I don't use aptitude, but if

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-28 23:05:31 +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > There is an option to tune the resolver. I have got the following in my > /etc/apt/apt.conf: > > , > | // tweak Aptitude to not suggest removals as first option > | Aptitude::ProblemResolver::SolutionCost "removals"; > ` Unfortunately,

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Miles Fidelman wrote: > As a general rule, I find that using Debian packaging for perl makes > absolutely no sense - and often problematic. There is pretty much a 1:1 mapping from CPAN packages to Debian packages. The only thing which is even remotely complicated is how perl

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Andre Majorel wrote: > On 2016-09-28 10:46 -0500, John Hasler wrote: >> Vincent Lefevre writes: >>> Things like that should not happen. But this is not a bug in the >>> perl packages. This is a misfeature of apt / aptitude, which want to >>> remove packages instead of

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

As a general rule, I find that using Debian packaging for perl makes absolutely no sense - and often problematic. Perl has its own ecosystem (cpan) that does an incredibly good job of packaging, updating, and dependency management. Mixing and matching that with Debian packaging, and

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

> It doesn't remove anything without your permission. It proposes > a solution to the problem you present it with. You can reject that > solution and have it try again. FWIW, the way it presents the solution makes it hard to see what's really going on. More specifically, the list of removed

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Andre Majorel writes: > If aptitude got it wrong half the time, it might be for want of > reading minds. But in my experience it gets it consistently > wrong. Suggests to me that what it needs is new heuristics. Patches are always welcome. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-28 10:46 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > Things like that should not happen. But this is not a bug in the perl > > packages. This is a misfeature of apt / aptitude, which want to remove > > packages instead of holding the new packages (well, AFAIK, aptitude > >

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Vincent Lefevre writes: > I'm not asking it to read my mind. I just want it not to remove any > package I have manually installed. It doesn't remove anything without your permission. It proposes a solution to the problem you present it with. You can reject that solution and have it try again.

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-09-28 10:46:31 -0500, John Hasler wrote: >> Vincent Lefevre writes: >>> Things like that should not happen. But this is not a bug in the >>> perl packages. This is a misfeature of apt / aptitude, which want to >>> remove packages instead of

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:55:49 +0200 Vincent Lefevre wrote: Hello Vincent, >I'm not asking it to read my mind. I just want it not to >remove any package I have manually installed. I don't use aptitude, but if I understand things correctly, you don't have to accept the first

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

> I'm not asking it to read my mind. I just want it not to > remove any package I have manually installed. FWIW, I really wish Debian could upgrade their package tools to follow a model similar to Nix/Guix. Basically, I'd like to have a master configuration file where I list the packages I want

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-28 10:46:31 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > Things like that should not happen. But this is not a bug in the perl > > packages. This is a misfeature of apt / aptitude, which want to remove > > packages instead of holding the new packages (well, AFAIK, aptitude >

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Vincent Lefevre writes: > Things like that should not happen. But this is not a bug in the perl > packages. This is a misfeature of apt / aptitude, which want to remove > packages instead of holding the new packages (well, AFAIK, aptitude > has improved, but is still not perfect). Aptitude can't

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-24 15:48:15 +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > Good morning! Just a heads up that upgrading the following two > > packages attempts to remove 141 unrelated packages in Sid/Unstable > > this morning: > > > perl 5.24.1~rc3-2 > > perl-base

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 25/09/16 01:26, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: Good morning! Just a heads up that upgrading the following two packages attempts to remove 141 unrelated packages in Sid/Unstable this morning: perl 5.24.1~rc3-2 perl-base 5.24.1~rc3-2 Before running "apt-get dist-upgrade", I always simulate first

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

First off I have been playing around with 'compose > text' and 'send > text' options in Thunderbird so I apologize ahead of time if A: lines are excessively long and B: that is an issue for you in whatever you are using to read this. On 9/24/2016 8:33 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: What you're

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Christian Seiler wrote: > it's IMHO a good idea to subscribe to debian-release for anyone > running pure sid, so they can have an overview over currently active > transitions. It's also a good idea to subscribe to debian-devel-announce. This transition was announced there, but the announcement

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 06:36:21PM +0200, Christian Seiler wrote: > > Regarding the original problem: I'd recommend to anyone running > sid to also have testing in their sources.list - so they can > force the installation of an older package version while a > transition is still ongoing. Also,

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Copied from debian-devel-announce: From: Dominic Hargreaves Subject: Perl 5.24 transition underway To: debian-devel-annou...@lists.debian.org Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 18:57:14 +0100 (17 minutes, 7 seconds ago) Mail-Followup-To: Dominic Hargreaves ,

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Package: cron-apt Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 43 Maintainer: Ola Lundqvist Architecture: all Version: 0.9.3 Depends: apt Recommends: liblockfile1, mailx, cron | cron-daemon Conffiles: /etc/cron.d/cron-apt

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey > wrote: > > Am on dialup and have to be > selective about the order in which packages are upgraded Have you considered a local, partial mirror? A 64G thumbdrive doesn't cost much, it'd hold a lot of .debs, the local

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 09/24/2016 06:02 PM, Glenn English wrote: >> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:44 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> For my own education, I'm not sure what you mean by "backup your current >> state >> before upgrading"--does that mean a full backup of your system, or is there >> a >> way to somehow

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:44 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > For my own education, I'm not sure what you mean by "backup your current state > before upgrading"--does that mean a full backup of your system, or is there a > way to somehow save the current "state" of the package list on your

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 9/24/16, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, September 24, 2016 09:26:36 AM Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >> Good morning! Just a heads up that upgrading the following two >> packages attempts to remove 141 unrelated packages in Sid/Unstable >> this morning: > >> Just

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 9/24/16, Sven Hartge wrote: > Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >> Good morning! Just a heads up that upgrading the following two >> packages attempts to remove 141 unrelated packages in Sid/Unstable >> this morning: > >> perl 5.24.1~rc3-2 >> perl-base

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > Good morning! Just a heads up that upgrading the following two > packages attempts to remove 141 unrelated packages in Sid/Unstable > this morning: > perl 5.24.1~rc3-2 > perl-base 5.24.1~rc3-2 > I grab AMD64 packages in case that makes a

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 09:26:36 AM Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > Good morning! Just a heads up that upgrading the following two > packages attempts to remove 141 unrelated packages in Sid/Unstable > this morning: ... > Just sharing because I was in a hurry and almost let it happen. I >