Re: [OT] bread prices and economics] [WAS] Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Celejar wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:35:23 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Celejar writes: Doesn't basic economics dictate that given competition, the equilibrium price is determined by both supply and demand? Even if I'm willing to

Bonding problems

2007-03-30 Thread Listas Locatel
Hi, I am configuring a bonding in linux (Debian) and I have many problems. Always Only one card it's receiving and sending packets. My config is: iface bond0 inet static address 192.168.18.210 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.18.0 broadcast 192.168.18.255

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 09:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The order in question is this: http://www.kron.com/global/story.asp?s=1962000ClientType=Printable Changing subject... Text of Bush's Order on Treatment of Detainees Posted: June 22,

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Greg Folkert writes: Ratio of White flour to Wheat flour? What do you guess? 6-7 white flour train cars to 1 Wheat flour. We are talking 160,000 pounds each train car. Each car being a 100 ton car. Sounds like a plausible ratio. However, you're still talking carload quantities. The

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Paul E Condon writes: Without wishing to claim any originality for the observation, I say that whatever hardware vendors do vis-a-vis Linux is largely irrelevant to the future of Linux. Linux will not be commonplace on [desk|lap]tops until major hardware vendors ship it (not that I care all

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 12:06, Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 10:58 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael A. Marsh writes: In that case, it's an economy of scale. Most people want white bread, so bread companies buy a lot more white flour than whole

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Gnu_Raiz
snip Max Hyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their per-hardware-unit-sold license was so much cheaper than the per-OS-copy-sold license that it made no sense to do anything else. Thus, any system sent out already had the cost of MS-DOS (later MS Windows) built into its price. Hence, remarks

Re: Hostname (none) after dist-upgrade

2007-03-30 Thread Michael Pobega
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 12:08:48PM -0700, Jeff Dickison wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Hans du Plooy wrote: Hi guys, I did a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch on a server and all went well, except for one thing. At console, I now see this: root@(none):~#hostname (none) root@(none):~#

Re: update to latest etch caused multiple problems - can't boot, no sound

2007-03-30 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:28:20 +0800, John Lee wrote: first of all I cannot boot after update. traced and find out some strange problems: 1. sd_mod won't load. my system is running on SATA so mdadm will fail to assemble my (/home) md0. also the system will not be able to mount (/root)

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 11:00, Paul E Condon wrote: [snip] I didn't follow your argument, but of course Microsoft is a monopoly. There is no monopoly in the computer hardware manufacturing business, and there isn't an oligopoly, and certainly not an In June

Re: update to latest etch caused multiple problems - can't boot, no sound

2007-03-30 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 20:05 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: My guess is that some sound(-related) module from the old initrd does not work properly with the new kernel. I would not spend time trying to get sound to work until you can create a working initrd for your current kernel. It seems that

RE: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Paul Walsh wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 2:23 AM -0600: Seth Goodman wrote: Most people could not complete a Linux install without a phone call to tech support. I suspect that's one part of the reason there are so few no-OS boxes. When the install doesn't turn out right, their first

Re: [OT] How much open is OpenSolaris?

2007-03-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
From time to time I grab a diferent OS to install and try my hands at it. This time was OpenSolaris. The thing is, at some point in the install, OpenSolaris throws a license at my face that doesn't seem open at all. I can run the software, but I can't redistribute, copy, etc. I am no law

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 10:35, John Hasler wrote: Celejar writes: Doesn't basic economics dictate that given competition, the equilibrium price is determined by both supply and demand? Even if I'm willing to pay a great deal, if the cost to produce the item

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 12:41 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Greg Folkert writes: Ratio of White flour to Wheat flour? What do you guess? 6-7 white flour train cars to 1 Wheat flour. We are talking 160,000 pounds each train car. Each car being a 100 ton car. Sounds like a plausible ratio.

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 11:44, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] Needless to say, we are indeed in the midst of a flamewar, regardless This a flame war? whether one things that google has become a monopoly or not. But I see you're trying to pour gas on the fire. -

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:10:37PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 11:00, Paul E Condon wrote: [snip] I didn't follow your argument, but of course Microsoft is a monopoly. There is no monopoly in the computer hardware manufacturing

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Hasler wrote: Linux will not be commonplace on [desk|lap]tops until major hardware vendors ship it (not that I care all that much). Maybe you should care a little more :-) The way I see it, making Linux more popular is a two-edged sword.

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gnu_Raiz wrote: What I am wondering is when will the lost sales to consumers who want Gnu/Linux on their boxes will outway the extra cost. In other words at what cost say Gnu/linux offer = lost sales. It seems to me the way to go, if you're

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 11:10, dave wrote: on Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:50:55AM -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: So you shoot the possibly-wounded Iraqi? If he's in the way, and others are shooting at you. I can already hear Arnt's squeal of righteous indignation

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: There's [...] no need for Symantec anti-virus products. I'm curious why you say that. I'm fairly new to Linux, but I understand it is more robust and secure than MS Windows. Still, it's not totally secure - nothing made by humans

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 14:34 -0400, Jim Hyslop wrote: John Hasler wrote: Linux will not be commonplace on [desk|lap]tops until major hardware vendors ship it (not that I care all that much). Maybe you should care a little more :-) The way I see it, making Linux more popular is a

Re: Bonding problems

2007-03-30 Thread Franck Joncourt
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:39:05PM +0200, Listas Locatel wrote: Hi, I am configuring a bonding in linux (Debian) and I have many problems. Always Only one card it's receiving and sending packets. My config is: iface bond0 inet static address 192.168.18.210 netmask

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 13:25, Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 12:41 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Greg Folkert writes: Ratio of White flour to Wheat flour? What do you guess? 6-7 white flour train cars to 1 Wheat flour. We are talking 160,000 pounds

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Seth Goodman writes: As far as separating hardware from software issues, the suggestion of a live CD for hardware diagnostics is a good one. Unfortunately, when an unsophisticated user calls, you still have to spend time convincing them to run the hardware diagnostic CD first, and that costs

xen, raid and initramfs failure

2007-03-30 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
Hi guys, I've encountered a problem with my xen/raid setup. My etch box has / on raid 1. When booting either 2.6.18-3 or -4 I get an error when /scripts/local-top/mdadm runs: (paraphrasing) Failure: failed to load Module 0 no such module Failure: failed to load Module 1 no such module Failure:

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Greg Folkert writes: Which is exactly why the US (in general) has a preference for [white bread]. When my wife was living in Paris forty years ago and expressed an interest in dark bread her French roommates were appalled that she would want to eat peasant food. Think for instance, trying to

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 9:06 AM -0500: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I do not want to pop these mails since I suscribed lots of ML, not only debian ones,

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 11:44, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] Needless to say, we are indeed in the midst of a flamewar, regardless This a flame war? whether one things that google has become a monopoly or not. But I see you're trying to

Re: update to latest etch caused multiple problems - can't boot, no sound

2007-03-30 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 14:13:12 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 20:05 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: My guess is that some sound(-related) module from the old initrd does not work properly with the new kernel. I would not spend time trying to get sound to work until you can

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-03-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:49:13PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 11:10, dave wrote: on Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:50:55AM -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: So you shoot the possibly-wounded Iraqi? If he's in the way, and others are shooting at you. I can already hear Arnt's squeal of

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the local store that doesn't taste like crumbly cardboard. See? You're picky. Cathy Consumer buys the cheapest white bread, full stop. Look at the ingredients list of white bread and whole wheat bread. Just did (though we don't

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Jim Hyslop writes: It seems to me the way to go, if you're willing to risk not having a warranty, is to demand the refund from the manufacturers. If enough people demand it, then Dell, HP et al will start getting tired of paying twice - once to MS and once to the consumer. As far as I can

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Joe Hart wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 11:53 AM -0500: All you are doing is rehashing an argument that has taken place over and over. You don't like the list, then unsubscribe. Simple. The OP could have presented his request differently, but I don't think a binary answer in the spirit of

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 13:51, Jim Hyslop wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: There's [...] no need for Symantec anti-virus products. I'm curious why you say that. I'm fairly new to Linux, but I understand it is more robust and secure than MS Windows. Still, it's

Re: post Header update probs with KDE apps

2007-03-30 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:34:28 +0100, andy wrote: Hiya The software update installed new headers, etc. today and instructed me to reboot in order to load up new modules, even though the header was the same as my existing header (I'm sorry this is not clearer - I'd just stumbled out of

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:21:34PM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote: The OP could have presented his request differently, but I don't think a binary answer in the spirit of love it or leave it is particularly helpful. The method of handling Reply-To: in this mailing list is in the minority, and

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 13:49, John Hasler wrote: Greg Folkert writes: Which is exactly why the US (in general) has a preference for [white bread]. When my wife was living in Paris forty years ago and expressed an interest in dark bread her French

Re: Bread (was: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Hasler wrote: When my wife was living in Paris forty years ago and expressed an interest in dark bread her French roommates were appalled that she would want to eat peasant food. Interesting. A friend's father served in the German army during

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seth Goodman wrote: Joe Hart wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 11:53 AM -0500: All you are doing is rehashing an argument that has taken place over and over. You don't like the list, then unsubscribe. Simple. The OP could have presented his

RE: Debian Exim SPF howto?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Mihamina (R12y) Rakotomandimby wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 2:21 AM -0500: Hi, Would you know any SPF+Debian+Exim tutorial? Exim has native support for SPF starting with version 4.52, but the Debian version has removed it. I believe that was based on a library that was written before the

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 13:59, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the local store that doesn't taste like crumbly cardboard. See? You're picky. Taste pickiness != snob pickiness. (Although snobs like to

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 14:11, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 11:44, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] Needless to say, we are indeed in the midst of a flamewar, regardless This a flame war? whether one things that google has become a monopoly or

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto � wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:21:34PM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote: The OP could have presented his request differently, but I don't think a binary answer in the spirit of love it or leave it is particularly helpful. The method of

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 14:46 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 13:59, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the local store that doesn't taste like crumbly cardboard. See? You're picky.

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 14:43, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] It's just as bad as people moving into a country and then telling the natives to modify their culture to suit them. It should be the other way around. Now that's an invitation to a 10 week OT

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 14:09, Seth Goodman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 9:06 AM -0500: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 14:43, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] It's just as bad as people moving into a country and then telling the natives to modify their culture to suit them. It should be the other way around. Now that's an invitation to a

Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 14:46 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 13:59, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the local store that

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I do not want to pop these mails since I suscribed lots of ML, not only debian ones, and it is more convenient for me to readwrite from gmail than poping 3 times (work - home - laptop)

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the local store that doesn't taste like crumbly cardboard. I wrote: See? You're picky. Ron Johnson writes: Taste pickiness != snob pickiness. (Although snobs like to pretend it is.) Didn't say it was. However, if the

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Greg Folkert writes: We buy Bread at Aldi. $0.45 a loaf or $0.15 a loaf when trying to sell off before tomorrow's shipment. Seem pretty much everything is that way at Aldi. My wife shops at Aldi's. It's an interesting company. Most retailers are terrified of WalMart but Aldi's deliberately

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 15:14, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the local store that doesn't taste like crumbly cardboard. I wrote: See? You're picky. Ron Johnson writes: Taste pickiness != snob

Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 22:19 +0200, Joe Hart wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 14:46 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 13:59, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the local store that doesn't taste like crumbly cardboard.

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:09 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 14:09, Seth Goodman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 9:06 AM -0500: On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I do not want to pop these mails since I

Re: [OT] How much open is OpenSolaris?

2007-03-30 Thread Bruno Buys
Joerg Schilling wrote: From time to time I grab a diferent OS to install and try my hands at it. This time was OpenSolaris. The thing is, at some point in the install, OpenSolaris throws a license at my face that doesn't seem open at all. I can run the software, but I can't redistribute, copy,

Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
I mean, since the price difference is so HUGE and the quality is mostly as good or even better, why Aldi is not deluged by people from open to close, I'll never know. For the same reason people want SUVs. For the same reason women like gold and diamond. For the same reason people want brand

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 10:02:49AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Mar, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 03:36:58PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's probably referring to the executive order signed on 7 Feb, 2002. In it, W claims the authority to set

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:40:22PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Every time I see a Cajun Cuisine restaurant, I laugh at how stupid people are. Cajun food is (ok, *was*) about as poor-folks as you can get. The same can be said of barbacoa (originally a Mexican peasant food), paella (originally

Re: Bread

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Joe Hart writes: Which country is this? Here, Aldi doesn't ever sell bread that cheap. I'm in the US. I suspect that we are talking about a different company. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 05:52:14PM -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: ET: Why do people kill each other and go to wars over this diamond substance? What is it for? Me: Well, aside from its industrial applications, people want it for the precise reason that it is hard to get. If its

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John K Masters
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:41:31 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 15:14, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the local store that doesn't taste like crumbly cardboard. I

Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 15:52, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: I mean, since the price difference is so HUGE and the quality is mostly as good or even better, why Aldi is not deluged by people from open to close, I'll never know. For the same reason

Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Nigel Henry
On Friday 30 March 2007 22:43, Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 22:19 +0200, Joe Hart wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 14:46 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 13:59, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: We buy the cheapest *whole* wheat bread at the

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 3:31 PM -0500: The whole fact that majority of other mailing lists and their users does not know about this does not mean it's useless. You mean it _could_ be useful if most others went along, which they haven't. There are a lot of things

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 15:46, Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:09 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] It's like using MSFT. If all you've ever known is a buggy malware- filled OS, and you've been conditioned to grab your ankles, crying Thank you Mr

Re: Bread

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
Greg Folkert writes: I'll go out on a short limb and say that more than 95% of the stuff Aldi carries that has direct brand-name equivalents, is better tasting... We've found quite a few things at Aldi's that are not of acceptable quality. Canned mushroom soup comes to mind. If we could

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 16:33, Seth Goodman wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 3:31 PM -0500: The whole fact that majority of other mailing lists and their users does not know about this does not mean it's useless. You mean it

Re: [OT] bread prices and economics

2007-03-30 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 March 2007 14:05, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: The bottom line is that if the cost is the same or lower (the assumption of the OP, because less processing is done), then given perfect competition, the price should be,

Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
I'll go out on a short limb and say that more than 95% of the stuff Aldi carries that has direct brand-name equivalents, is better tasting... This reminds me of restaurants. I like the small, family food ones 10 times better than the expensive ones. I prefer tasty food over fancy food that

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 4:42 PM -0500: On 03/30/07 16:33, Seth Goodman wrote: That's a large enough hurdle that I think it safe to say the horse has left the barn on this one a long time ago. Continuing to insist that things _should_ have been different, long past the

Re: Bread

2007-03-30 Thread Andrew J. Barr
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:51 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Joe Hart writes: Which country is this? Here, Aldi doesn't ever sell bread that cheap. I'm in the US. I suspect that we are talking about a different company. Aldi is from Northern Europe, which country exactly escapes me at the

Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread CaT
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 06:49:35PM -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: quality), and I tried again. Then with a better recharger. I eventually gave up and put the batteries away. One year later, I looked at the batteries and realized why they did not work. They were Sony batteries. Of

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread CaT
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:13:44AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:38:04PM +1000, CaT wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 12:19:39AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: The sensible way to handle hardware support independent of any installed software would be to ship each pc with a

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread CaT
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:11:06AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: tech support folks stop saying 'but you need to use windows for us to diagnose the problem before we can authorizes this' or similar. FWIW, the diagnostics, etc CD that Dell ships with servers is Linux based. I found

Re: sarge + dist-upgrade = ?

2007-03-30 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Fernando Cacciola wrote: Hi All I just installed Debian Sarge from a 1-year old netinst CD on a HP Pavillion 1125LA notebook. Then I run apt-get dist-upgrade. What do I have now then? Still Sarge? 3.0, 3.1? The third field in /etc/apt/sources.list will tell you which distribution

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Paul Walsh wrote: Passed to me by a colleague: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6506027.stm *grin* That is awesome news! Thanks for sharing it. Now I just hope that the Dell systems come pre-installed with Debian! raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi

Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

2007-03-30 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
All* rechargable AA batteries are 1.2v whilst normal AA batteries are 1.5v. How embarrassing. I guess the battery was just broken then. There are a lot of other arguments against Sony still. -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free.

Re: Bread

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 16:55, Andrew J. Barr wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:51 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Joe Hart writes: Which country is this? Here, Aldi doesn't ever sell bread that cheap. I'm in the US. I suspect that we are talking about a different

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 16:50, Seth Goodman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 4:42 PM -0500: On 03/30/07 16:33, Seth Goodman wrote: That's a large enough hurdle that I think it safe to say the horse has left the barn on this one a long time

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread galevsky
Okay guys, so, just to calm down, I never told you what to do. I just faced twice the problem of answering to the wrong addressee, and I saw that it happens sometimes to others. I listened to your proposal of using a MUA, then argued that it was not suiting my needs. (I don't think just about

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John Hasler
CaT writes: FWIW, the diagnostics, etc CD that Dell ships with servers is Linux based. ... I've just got the actual CDs that I've poked around. Does it include source? If not did you receive a written offer to provide it? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 5:50 PM -0500: And the counter argument would be that not-munging-Reply-To has always been popular amongst people who know what they are doing. Most people who know what they're doing don't insist that the rest of the world changes its behavior on

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Jim Hyslop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious why you say that. I'm fairly new to Linux, but I understand it is more robust and secure than MS Windows. Still, it's definitely ;) not totally secure - nothing made by humans could be. So, do you mean unfortunately :( that there's no need

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread cga2000
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 04:01:41AM EST, Max Hyre wrote: Dear Debianistas: John Hasler wrote: The manufacturer may be paying Microsoft a fixed fee for every machine he ships rather than for every copy of Microsoft Windows he ships. This makes sense when nearly every machine has

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 18:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay guys, so, just to calm down, I never told you what to do. I just faced twice the problem of answering to the wrong addressee, and I saw that it happens sometimes to others. I listened to your

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread cga2000
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 04:00:48PM EST, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:40:22PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Every time I see a Cajun Cuisine restaurant, I laugh at how stupid people are. Cajun food is (ok, *was*) about as poor-folks as you can get. Tells you how low

Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock

2007-03-30 Thread Freddy Freeloader
anoop aryal wrote: On Thursday 29 March 2007 14:55, Steve Lamb wrote: anoop aryal wrote: i'll take etch when it's good and ready and not a day before. i'd rather have a working OS, free of bugs, late than a half baked, bug-ridden POS, on time. Then you'll be waiting forever

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Jim Hyslop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Hasler wrote: Linux will not be commonplace on [desk|lap]tops until major hardware vendors ship it (not that I care all that much). attacks against Linux. Linux may be a much more robust and secure

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Zbigniew Wiech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Dell's price) Doesn't basic economics dictate that given competition, the equilibrium price is determined by both supply and demand? Even if I'm willing to pay a great deal, if the cost to produce the item is low, competition should drive down the

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is awesome news! Thanks for sharing it. Now I just hope that the Dell systems come pre-installed with Debian! As much as I like Debian, but wouldn't Ubuntu make a better option? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't

Re: Looking for password manager

2007-03-30 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 11:56:18AM -0500, Dennis G. Wicks wrote: Greetings; I am in the process of moving from Win 2k to Linux. On Win I have a great little program named RoboForm that manages my passwords for IE and FireFox and also fills in forms with my personal information when

Re: [OT] How much open is OpenSolaris?

2007-03-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote: The CDDL (used by OpenSolaris) is a license that is accepted as doubtlessly free by the OSS community. ... but GPL incompatible: From http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) This is

Re: deleting content of /tmp

2007-03-30 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 06:40:01PM +, andy wrote: Can someone advise me on the pros and cons of deleting the contents of /tmp/ as part of general security conscious non-paranoia. I was thinking that it would be an okay thing to do periodically (or at logout, etc.) using a

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread John C
``Microsoft Tax''. without representation .. So when's our Boston Tea Party? It's in progress courtesy of Richard Stallman. Free Software Foundation (FSF) *Boston Mass* :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: update to latest etch caused multiple problems - can't boot, no sound

2007-03-30 Thread John Lee
Thanks for your help, Florian. Actually the system dropped me to the ash because it cannot mount root. I tried it for quite a while before I used the old initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686.bak and I'm pretty sure all the modules are still there (I did modprobe sd_mod). The linux-image is not updated this

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread cga2000
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 09:51:16AM EST, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:57:02 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 08:23, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:45:13 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

2007-03-30 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Every time I see a Cajun Cuisine restaurant, I laugh at how stupid people are. Cajun food is (ok, *was*) about as poor-folks as you can get. Economics notwithstanding, the food is still double-danged delicious! That's what counts to me. I like 'soul'

Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock

2007-03-30 Thread Michael M.
On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 13:45 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: It can take a while for a newish Debian user to get used to the Debian way. My preference is to stay somewhat 'behind the curve', but yours appears to be to stay somewhat 'ahead of the curve'. Yes, somewhat, though I tend to think of it

javaldx failed.

2007-03-30 Thread Thomas H. George
mozilla openoffice wont start. netinst of Etch worked perfectly with all hardware working, internet accessible from console, xorg.conf ok, gdm and icewm ok, but mozilla start from default fails, openoffice start fails with internal error message. The .xsesseion-error file ends with

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