Re: Re: Problem compiling libpoppler=0.48.0-2 in Jessie

2016-12-02 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi 
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Davide Anchisi  wrote:
> I do have libpoppler-qt5-1:
> dpkg -l libpoppler-qt5-1
> ii  libpoppler-qt5-1:amd6 0.26.5-2+deb8u1
> and libpoppler-qt5.so.1:  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpoppler-qt5.so.1
>
> The command to build the package. I first went with:
> apt-get -b source libpoppler64=0.48.0-2
> but also tried:
> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b

I am out of ideas as to what is causing the error. Your command looks
fine. You do not need -rfakeroot as that is the default. I normally
use dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc .

If you are still stuck on this issue, please try asking on
debian-mentors which is frequented by debian packaging experts.

Sorry I am not of much help here. I run Debian Stretch on my machine
but you are trying to compile a Stretch package on a Jessie machine.
So I might not be able to reproduce your problem.

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Re: {Debian (>=Jessie)} AND { MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, etc}

2016-12-02 Thread deloptes 
Steven Mainor wrote:

> I don't know if this helps answer #3 or not. I have ran Debian from a
> microSD flash card before but the card reader was attached via USB.
> 
> It didn't last very long before the flash card degraded. I think running
> an operating system on flash used up the read/write cycles too quickly.
> I eventually decided to find another solution. But it may not be an
> issue for your use case.
> 
I don't think so. I have a low power industrial pc used as firewall. It runs
on Compact Flash card for >6y now. I recall there were at least 10
write cycles per sector and self diagnostic, so I would suspect something
else would be the problem.

Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin"

2016-12-02 Thread Marc Shapiro 

On 12/02/2016 04:14 PM, Jape Person wrote:

On 12/02/2016 06:25 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, December 03, 2016 12:19:09 AM Doug wrote:

On 11/30/2016 09:57 AM, do...@mail.com wrote:
Beware of HP inkjets, HP recently had to change the code so that 
people
could install ink cartridges that were not HP's and no, refilling 
the old

ones did not work. So everyone had to have a firmware update.


I heard something different lately, that HP changed the drivers (at 
least

some), to, iirc, prevent people from using ink cartridges from other
manufacturers and to prevent people from refilling and reusing their 
old ink

cartridges.

Understanding this, I've made a note to myself to carefully avoid 
accidentally
updating the drivers in my HP 4 in 1 printer.  (I haven't yet emptied 
any
cartridges, so I don't yet have first hand experience with trying to 
refill and

reuse any...)

Did I misunderstand?



I don't think you misunderstood.

https://www.wired.com/2016/09/hp-printer-drm/

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/hps-drm-sabotages-off-brand-printer-ink-cartridges-with-self-destruct-date/ 



https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/hp-inkjet-printers-unofficial-cartridges-software-update 



http://fossforce.com/2016/09/hp-retrofits-ink-cartridge-drm-printers/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160920/07021035568/hp-launched-delayed-drm-time-bomb-to-disable-competing-printer-cartridges.shtml 



This stuff in addition to the driver plugin decision makes me think 
that policy wrt HP's attitude toward users of their products has 
changed over recent years.


I'm hardly an expert, but the "DRM" retrofit strikes me as a pretty 
dirty trick. And what I, at least, perceive as the slightly sneaky 
introduction of the binary blob driver plugins while maintaining the 
guise of fully open-sourced driver software could be more of the same.


In one of my more paranoid moments while considering these factors I 
actually wondered if the driver plugins could also provide HP a means 
of preventing the use of alternative inks / toner / etc. That would be 
kind of nasty, wouldn't it? When I mentioned the idea to my 
right-wing-nut conspiracy theorist friend he suggested that the driver 
plugins might provide one of them there back doors" that the gov'ment 
is always puttin' in our computers. I have to admit I'm a bit bothered 
by the need to stick libraries and firmware for which we have no 
source code on the system drive. I might not be able to figure out a 
nasty hidden ploy in the source, but the fact that no one in the Open 
Source community has access to do so gives me pause.


Yet, its certainly true that HP has provided a wider range of drivers 
for its printers and scanners than practically any other common 
provider. I'm just annoyed by what appears to me to be a slightly 
"proprietary" (in the commercial and the more alarming social sense) 
trend. Hey, HP, I bought the printer. It's mine now. Hai capito?


Eh, different strokes for different folks. But HP won't be getting 
more business from me unless I see a change in the apparent policies 
like the ones that resulted in the aforementioned behaviors.


I'm more than a little tired of corporate behavior that smacks of the 
consumer being owned by corporations.


Regards,
JP

I have an HP Photosmart 6520 wihich is now almost three years old.  I 
run HPLip, but I can't say anything about the driver plugin, as that was 
not an issue for me when I set this box up and got the printer.  I can 
say that I started out using only HP ink cartridges as HP made it clear 
that other inks and cartridges would void the warranty.  The last actual 
HP cartridge that I bought, however, was in December of 2014.  Since 
then, I have been buying my inks from colortonerexpert.com, where I can 
get a 4 pack of black and each of the three colors for only $21.99.  
That's less than the cost of a single black cartridge from HP.  When I 
put a new cartridge in, as I just did a few hours ago, the printer 
informs me that there are non HP cartridges in the printer, but it does 
not prevent me from using them.  Presumably, if I needed and wanted 
service from HP they could see that non HP inks were used, but the 
printer is three years old and out of any warranty, so, not really an 
issue for me.

Re: Desktop freeze

2016-12-02 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi 
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Gianluca Guidi  wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like to report a bug I experienced in sid but I have no idea about
> what package could be involved.
>
> I use Xfce, including its window manager, and Compton to add some effects.
>
> Every few seconds everything on the screen freezes except for the mouse
> pointer, which can still be moved. Clicking and typing actually works,
> however the effects of these actions are not displayed.
> The screen can be unfrozen by switching to a login console then
> switching back to X.
>
> Any idea on where to look at to find out why this happens?
>

1) Has it ever worked before? If it worked before but started showing
up recently, what has changed (ex:- installing new packages or adding
new hardware etc.,)?
2) Are there any errors in the xorg log file? You can get this
information by running
grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log

3) Please show the output of
inxi -F

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Re: Proxmox

2016-12-02 Thread Marcelo P. Llanos C. 
Sí, verdad, qué pasó con Camaleón, alguien sabe?

Re: arm people distributing images with user 1000 already allocated, please stop that

2016-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland 
From what I recall, raspbian's default user is in the sudoers file by default 
too.


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Re: arm people distributing images with user 1000 already allocated, please stop that

2016-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland 
On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 06:06:34PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 01 December 2016 15:30:12 emetib wrote:
[use sudo]
> The last time I tried that, some years ago, it demanded the old passwd 
> first. I think that was about Red Hat 7.1's day. I'd been using it since 
> 1998 and 5.0.
> 
> > i hope that this helps some for future reference.
> If no pw is needed, great.

`passwd` invoked as the root user does not require you to provide the current
password. You can set the password for any user, including the default user of
root. So you would need to invoke 'sudo passwd' to change/set the root password
without being prompted for the existing one.


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Re: arm people distributing images with user 1000 already allocated, please stop that

2016-12-02 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Friday 02 December 2016 06:16:31 Jonathan Dowland wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 06:06:34PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 01 December 2016 15:30:12 emetib wrote:
>
> [use sudo]
>
> > The last time I tried that, some years ago, it demanded the old
> > passwd first. I think that was about Red Hat 7.1's day. I'd been
> > using it since 1998 and 5.0.
> >
> > > i hope that this helps some for future reference.
> >
> > If no pw is needed, great.
>
> `passwd` invoked as the root user does not require you to provide the
> current password. You can set the password for any user, including the
> default user of root. So you would need to invoke 'sudo passwd' to
> change/set the root password without being prompted for the existing
> one.

That policy has been changed then. Its been quite some time, possibly a 
decade or more since I have attempted that procedure. The last time I 
tried that, I was asked for the old password, and having forgotten it, 
was refused. I wound up taking that drive to another machine and 
removing the root pw in both passwd and shadow files.  Then I could set 
a new one and did when the drive was re-installed in the machine it ran.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Detect upgradable packages in shell script ran as a non-root user

2016-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland 
One of the problems you will have with many (any?) of the solutions
proposed is they rely on the current state of your local apt package
metadata cache. Which is to say, if that is not up-to-date, then you
are only going to get stale information; and you need to be root to
update it.

I would suggest installing and enabling unattended-upgrades iiwy.

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Re: Nvidia Legacy 304xx

2016-12-02 Thread darkestkhan 
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> On 2016-12-02 10:57 +0200, David Baron wrote:
>
>> Is this being kicked off Debian?
>
> Depends on whether NVidia releases a version that is compatible with
> Xserver 1.19[1].  I'm afraid this might not happen in time for Stretch.
>
>> Dist-upgrade will remove it for a while now, lists it as installed but not
>> needed, as well.
>> upgrade holds back most all xorg stuff.
>>
>> Problems with kde plasma with both 304xx (works partially) and nouveau
>> (hangs). What would I do now?
>
> Buy a Radeon card?  Those seem to work very well with the free drivers,
> unlike NVidia cards.
>

He may be using laptop, which may make this option impossible.

>> (I would prefer nouveau because it is "ours" but needs to work :-) )
>
> You could try libgl1-mesa-dri from unstable, but don't hold your
> breath.  Improving support for these old cards is not a high priority
> for the Nouveau project.
>
> Cheers,
>Sven
>
>
> 1. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=845639
>



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Re: arm people distributing images with user 1000 already allocated, please stop that

2016-12-02 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Friday 02 December 2016 06:14:34 Jonathan Dowland wrote:

> From what I recall, raspbian's default user is in the sudoers file by
> default too.

Of course it is, Jonathon, but I am the user that counts, and adding me 
to the sudoers and the sudo group still does not get me rights to run 
any graphical package manager safe to use, like synaptic, because 
something, I believe to be in polkit1 overrides the sudo and asks for 
the unk root pw. My grepping thru that area of /etc has not found te 
responsible file however.  I have fixed that by mounting the card on 
this machine and nuking the root pw'd x, than back into the pi and 
setting a new pw that I know.  But while I have 18 years of putzing with 
linux, I most assuredly would not recommend that exotic a fix to be done 
by a windows escapee.

The paranoia exhibited by such actions indicates an excess of holier then 
thou attitudes and needs to be called out as totally un-acceptable to 
the savvy user who is convinced the machine is his, and wants to make it 
do as he pleases.  IMO that level of paranoia has no place in the open 
source arena.  So I'm up on my high horse calling the vendors doing that 
out. These people are, IMNSHO, giving debian a bad user experience that 
does not have to be, and that should not be laid on your doorstep, but 
theirs.

I should clarify that I've had no such problems with your own 
distributions running on x86 hardware, but all of my machinery running 
machines are still on wheezy, as is this one just to be 100% compatible, 
and will continue to be until such time as the security updates cease. 
It Just Works. Converting to jessie is a pretty long step, and with the 
non-stability of systemd tossed in, which has the possibility of 
wrecking a part you've already sunk a thou$and in time and materials 
into while completeing it this far, litterally on the final finish cut 
to final micron accurate size, is subject to us finding a fix BEFORE we 
start making the next copy. That WILL be done even if we have to build 
our own kernels as we've been doing for 15+ years now. However, applying 
the rtai patch kit to get the IRQ response times this software needs, 
has gotten progressively more difficult. To have kernel 4.4.34-v7+ #930 
SMP run it on the arm was a very pleasant surprise as the later x86 
kernels have worse and worse latency.

I'll get me coat now, I've said my piece.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: Cómo activar placa de red (notebook)

2016-12-02 Thread Gonzalo Rivero 
El jue, 01-12-2016 a las 21:38 -0500, Rivera Valdez escribió:
> Acabo de bootear con la imagen live de Debian con el firmware non-
> free incluido.
> Siguen sin funcionar ni la placa de red ni la wireless, y me topo con
> lo siguiente:
> 
> root@debian:/home/user# iwconfig
> lono wireless extensions.
> 
> wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:off/any
>   Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=off
>   Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>   Encryption key:off
>   Power Management:off
> 
> eth0  no wireless extensions.
> 
> root@debian:/home/user# ifconfig wlan0 up
> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
> 
> 
> Ahora voy a ver qué es RF-kill, pero si tienen alguna orientación al
> respecto, bienvenida.
> 
yo tampoco se, pero es posible que esté "apagada", seguramente podés
encenderla con Fn (la tecla azul)+Falgo, o tengas teclas específicas
para encender/apagar el wifi

RE: Detect upgradable packages in shell script ran as a non-root user

2016-12-02 Thread Bonno Bloksma 
Hi,

What I have been using for years is a little script to send me (and the 
servicedesk) a daily mail:

#!/bin/bash
# MAILREC is space separated
MAILREC="myem...@tio.nl helpd...@tio.nl"
SUBJECT="Upgrade report voor $HOSTNAME"
TMPFILE=/tmp/upgradereport.tmp

# Step 1: update repositories...
apt-get update >/dev/null 2>&1

# Step 2: show upgrades
apt-get --dry-run upgrade | grep Inst > $TMPFILE
if egrep -q ^Inst $TMPFILE
then
  mail -s "$SUBJECT" $MAILREC < $TMPFILE
fi

rm $TMPFILE


This script simply gets called from crontab:
# Test once a day if there are any upgrades to be apllied
5 5 * * 0 root /usr/local/bin/upgradereport.sh

It does run as root but then why shouldn't it?
Add the -V switch to the apt-get upgrade line to see from which version to 
which version the upgrade is needed.
I just do not need that in my mail, I'll see that when I perform the upgrade.

Bonno Bloksma

Nvidia Legacy 304xx

2016-12-02 Thread David Baron 
Is this being kicked off Debian?

Dist-upgrade will remove it for a while now, lists it as installed but not 
needed, as well.
upgrade holds back most all xorg stuff.

Problems with kde plasma with both 304xx (works partially) and nouveau 
(hangs). What would I do now?
(I would prefer nouveau because it is "ours" but needs to work :-) )

Re: Nvidia Legacy 304xx

2016-12-02 Thread Sven Joachim 
On 2016-12-02 10:57 +0200, David Baron wrote:

> Is this being kicked off Debian?

Depends on whether NVidia releases a version that is compatible with
Xserver 1.19[1].  I'm afraid this might not happen in time for Stretch.

> Dist-upgrade will remove it for a while now, lists it as installed but not 
> needed, as well.
> upgrade holds back most all xorg stuff.
>
> Problems with kde plasma with both 304xx (works partially) and nouveau 
> (hangs). What would I do now?

Buy a Radeon card?  Those seem to work very well with the free drivers,
unlike NVidia cards.

> (I would prefer nouveau because it is "ours" but needs to work :-) )

You could try libgl1-mesa-dri from unstable, but don't hold your
breath.  Improving support for these old cards is not a high priority
for the Nouveau project.

Cheers,
   Sven


1. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=845639

Debian 8.6

2016-12-02 Thread Wanderlei Huttel 
Bom dia pessoal

Esou fazendo uma instalação limpa do Debian 8.6 e percebi que agora não
deixa configurar a rede manual ele pega direto por DHCP.

É isso mesmo ou é algum bug?


Atenciosamente

*Wanderlei Hüttel*
http://www.huttel.com.br

Re: Nvidia Legacy 304xx

2016-12-02 Thread Hans 
Am Freitag, 2. Dezember 2016, 10:57:22 CET schrieb David Baron:
> Is this being kicked off Debian?
> 
> Dist-upgrade will remove it for a while now, lists it as installed but not
> needed, as well.
> upgrade holds back most all xorg stuff.
> 
> Problems with kde plasma with both 304xx (works partially) and nouveau
> (hangs). What would I do now?
> (I would prefer nouveau because it is "ours" but needs to work :-) )

Check, if 340xx works for you.

Best

Hans

Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin"

2016-12-02 Thread Jape Person 

On 12/02/2016 06:25 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, December 03, 2016 12:19:09 AM Doug wrote:

On 11/30/2016 09:57 AM, do...@mail.com wrote:

Beware of HP inkjets, HP recently had to change the code so that people
could install ink cartridges that were not HP's and no, refilling the old
ones did not work. So everyone had to have a firmware update.


I heard something different lately, that HP changed the drivers (at least
some), to, iirc, prevent people from using ink cartridges from other
manufacturers and to prevent people from refilling and reusing their old ink
cartridges.

Understanding this, I've made a note to myself to carefully avoid accidentally
updating the drivers in my HP 4 in 1 printer.  (I haven't yet emptied any
cartridges, so I don't yet have first hand experience with trying to refill and
reuse any...)

Did I misunderstand?



I don't think you misunderstood.

https://www.wired.com/2016/09/hp-printer-drm/

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/hps-drm-sabotages-off-brand-printer-ink-cartridges-with-self-destruct-date/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/hp-inkjet-printers-unofficial-cartridges-software-update

http://fossforce.com/2016/09/hp-retrofits-ink-cartridge-drm-printers/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160920/07021035568/hp-launched-delayed-drm-time-bomb-to-disable-competing-printer-cartridges.shtml

This stuff in addition to the driver plugin decision makes me think that 
policy wrt HP's attitude toward users of their products has changed over 
recent years.


I'm hardly an expert, but the "DRM" retrofit strikes me as a pretty 
dirty trick. And what I, at least, perceive as the slightly sneaky 
introduction of the binary blob driver plugins while maintaining the 
guise of fully open-sourced driver software could be more of the same.


In one of my more paranoid moments while considering these factors I 
actually wondered if the driver plugins could also provide HP a means of 
preventing the use of alternative inks / toner / etc. That would be kind 
of nasty, wouldn't it? When I mentioned the idea to my right-wing-nut 
conspiracy theorist friend he suggested that the driver plugins might 
provide one of them there back doors" that the gov'ment is always 
puttin' in our computers. I have to admit I'm a bit bothered by the need 
to stick libraries and firmware for which we have no source code on the 
system drive. I might not be able to figure out a nasty hidden ploy in 
the source, but the fact that no one in the Open Source community has 
access to do so gives me pause.


Yet, its certainly true that HP has provided a wider range of drivers 
for its printers and scanners than practically any other common 
provider. I'm just annoyed by what appears to me to be a slightly 
"proprietary" (in the commercial and the more alarming social sense) 
trend. Hey, HP, I bought the printer. It's mine now. Hai capito?


Eh, different strokes for different folks. But HP won't be getting more 
business from me unless I see a change in the apparent policies like the 
ones that resulted in the aforementioned behaviors.


I'm more than a little tired of corporate behavior that smacks of the 
consumer being owned by corporations.


Regards,
JP

Re: {Debian (>=Jessie)} AND { MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, etc}

2016-12-02 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 12/2/2016 4:21 PM, Jochen Spieker wrote:

Richard Owlett:

I have a well used Lenovo R61 Thinkpad whose sole raison d'etre is to serve
as a test platform for experiments which may spectacularly fail.

To quote a product description, it has:
   Card Reader
 4 in 1 card reader
 Supported Flash Memory
 Memory Stick PRO, MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, xD-Picture Card

My local supplier has 32GB cards in stock. Not sure which of the above
flavors, as I just asked him what he had available that were compatible with
my hardware.


He probably has SD cards. All other options in your list have come out
of fashion.


I'm pondering an application that could be accomplished with USB flash
drives.
It would be much "NICER" if that x GB were physically "inside" the laptop's
profile.


Beware that this might slightly increase power usage / reduce battery
life. That's at least my observation from a couple of years ago.
Depenging on the hardware, an SD card can keep a bus alive that could be
put to sleep otherwise. But if I would have to guess this is not an
issue for your use case.


No problem for medium term. It will sit on my desk next to my 
"regular" machine.





My questions:
   1. Can Debian (and to what extent) make use of that storage?


Debian (the linux kernel) can use SD cards just like USB thumb drives or
other types of removable (and rewritable) storage. It's simply a block
device.


I was assuming that but thought it better to ask.




   2. Can Debian itself reside on that medium?
  I'm thinking in terms of changing look/feel/function/capabilities/...
  of the machine by swapping media before "power up".
  [The BIOS *DOES* have some capability to specify precedence of boot
devices.]


Debian doesn't really care, but you would have to test whether your BIOS
can really boot from SD cards.


If it "looks" the same as a USB flash device, there should be no 
problem.






   3. Any Debian people using this capability who would care to comment?
  ["off list" replies fine]


I would like to see replies here. :)

J.

Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin"

2016-12-02 Thread rhkramer 
On Saturday, December 03, 2016 12:19:09 AM Doug wrote:
> On 11/30/2016 09:57 AM, do...@mail.com wrote:
> > Beware of HP inkjets, HP recently had to change the code so that people
> > could install ink cartridges that were not HP's and no, refilling the old
> > ones did not work. So everyone had to have a firmware update.

I heard something different lately, that HP changed the drivers (at least 
some), to, iirc, prevent people from using ink cartridges from other 
manufacturers and to prevent people from refilling and reusing their old ink 
cartridges.

Understanding this, I've made a note to myself to carefully avoid accidentally 
updating the drivers in my HP 4 in 1 printer.  (I haven't yet emptied any 
cartridges, so I don't yet have first hand experience with trying to refill and 
reuse any...)

Did I misunderstand?

Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin"

2016-12-02 Thread Jape Person 

On 11/30/2016 10:57 AM, do...@mail.com wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:34:03 -0500 Jape Person 
wrote:

Hi.

I'm getting ready to replace all of our old equipment that has
been used for well over a decade in our home network.

I decided to try to do everything with FOSS -- open source Luxul
router, open-source-only drivers for everything on the libreboot
PCs. But I've run into a snag with the printer and scanner.

Out of curiosity, why the printer? Is it failing? Ink unavailable?



The HP LaserJet 1300 is one of the best printers I've ever owned. It's 
very cheap to operate, and it has never jammed or exhibited any other 
sign of unreliability. The print quality is also outstanding.


But it wasn't the "n" model, so would require a DirectJet module to hook 
it up directly to the network. (I don't wish to hook it directly to a 
computer.) Someone I know has a use for it, so it's going to be a donation.



I was going to make life easy for myself and use hplip with
something like an HP MFP. But all of the new HP MFP and scanners
seem to make use of a "driver plugin". If I'm understanding
correctly, a user has to run the hp-setup program that comes with
hplip. That program actually downloads this proprietary blob during
installation of the printer. This is not at all what I want. So
far, the only MFPs and scanners I've found that don't use the
driver plugin are either FCC Class A devices so not really suitable
for home use or are at end of support. There are a couple of single
function laser printers that might work, but I'd still have to find
a scanner that doesn't require the blob. HP doesn't appear to make
one.




I hope I caught you in time.



I caught myself in time.

;-)


Not to long ago I bought an HP LaserJet 200 color M251nw. As for a
scanner, I bought the HP 8200. It's an older model, though, and
support was just added in sane backends for it. Search for the
thread: "Cannot get hp scanjet 8200 working" in sane devel.

Beware of HP inkjets, HP recently had to change the code so that
people could install ink cartridges that were not HP's and no,
refilling the old ones did not work. So everyone had to have a
firmware update.



Yes, it had been probably at least a decade since I had even thought of 
buying a new printer and/or scanner. This time around I was astounded to 
see the apparent changes in HP's attitude about the GNU/Linux community. 
Between the fiasco wrt the firmware and drivers requiring end users to 
use only HP ink cartridges and this relatively new ploy of requiring a 
"driver plugin" for practically all new devices that incorporate a 
scanner, I've become a little less enthusiastic about supporting HP. As 
a matter of fact, they state directly on their Web site that they intend 
to employ the driver plugin in more and more of their device designs -- 
especially inkjet MFPs, which were the ones where it notably hadn't been 
used yet.



If you want you could try the Bother brand, there Linux support is
getting good from what I've read.



Yes, I settled for a Brother MFC (MFC9340CDW) which is listed on 
openprinting.org as being supported, though still not officially 
included within foomatic. I suspect that their report of "perfect" 
support refers only to the printer, but I can make do with a printer and 
a copier if need be. The thing even does direct scanning to and printing 
from Android devices, so my wife's evil tablet can grab us a scan, if 
need be. And I do know that -- if I change my mind about using a 
proprietary driver -- I can always use the one that Brother supplies.


I had found an HP MFC that didn't require the plugin, but by then I was 
kind of appalled by the direction that HP seems to be taking, and the 
Brother was cheaper and got very good reviews from CNET and PC Mag. Only 
time will tell if it was a good choice.



Epson is working to get support for their scanners working under
Linux, but last I read (1 year ago), the software was still alpha
quality.



ACK.

Thank you for your observations!

Regards,
JP

Re: {Debian (>=Jessie)} AND { MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, etc}

2016-12-02 Thread Steven Mainor 
I don't know if this helps answer #3 or not. I have ran Debian from a
microSD flash card before but the card reader was attached via USB. 

It didn't last very long before the flash card degraded. I think running
an operating system on flash used up the read/write cycles too quickly.
I eventually decided to find another solution. But it may not be an
issue for your use case.

Hope that is helpful,
  * Steven

On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 23:21 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Richard Owlett:
> > I have a well used Lenovo R61 Thinkpad whose sole raison d'etre is to serve
> > as a test platform for experiments which may spectacularly fail.
> > 
> > To quote a product description, it has:
> >   Card Reader
> > 4 in 1 card reader
> > Supported Flash Memory
> > Memory Stick PRO, MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, xD-Picture Card
> > 
> > My local supplier has 32GB cards in stock. Not sure which of the above
> > flavors, as I just asked him what he had available that were compatible with
> > my hardware.
> 
> He probably has SD cards. All other options in your list have come out
> of fashion.
> 
> > I'm pondering an application that could be accomplished with USB flash
> > drives.
> > It would be much "NICER" if that x GB were physically "inside" the laptop's
> > profile.
> 
> Beware that this might slightly increase power usage / reduce battery
> life. That's at least my observation from a couple of years ago.
> Depenging on the hardware, an SD card can keep a bus alive that could be
> put to sleep otherwise. But if I would have to guess this is not an
> issue for your use case.
> 
> > My questions:
> >   1. Can Debian (and to what extent) make use of that storage?
> 
> Debian (the linux kernel) can use SD cards just like USB thumb drives or
> other types of removable (and rewritable) storage. It's simply a block
> device.
> 
> >   2. Can Debian itself reside on that medium?
> >  I'm thinking in terms of changing look/feel/function/capabilities/...
> >  of the machine by swapping media before "power up".
> >  [The BIOS *DOES* have some capability to specify precedence of boot
> > devices.]
> 
> Debian doesn't really care, but you would have to test whether your BIOS
> can really boot from SD cards.
> 
> >   3. Any Debian people using this capability who would care to comment?
> >  ["off list" replies fine]
> 
> I would like to see replies here. :)
> 
> J.

Re: {Debian (>=Jessie)} AND { MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, etc}

2016-12-02 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 12/2/2016 4:48 PM, Steven Mainor wrote:

I don't know if this helps answer #3 or not. I have ran Debian from a
microSD flash card before but the card reader was attached via USB.

It didn't last very long before the flash card degraded. I think running
an operating system on flash used up the read/write cycles too quickly.
I eventually decided to find another solution. But it may not be an
issue for your use case.


I suspect I can set it up so that the hard disk gets the 
"volatile" load.

That would be something to determine experimentally.




Hope that is helpful,
   * Steven

On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 23:21 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:

Richard Owlett:

I have a well used Lenovo R61 Thinkpad whose sole raison d'etre is to serve
as a test platform for experiments which may spectacularly fail.

To quote a product description, it has:
   Card Reader
 4 in 1 card reader
 Supported Flash Memory
 Memory Stick PRO, MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, xD-Picture Card

My local supplier has 32GB cards in stock. Not sure which of the above
flavors, as I just asked him what he had available that were compatible with
my hardware.


He probably has SD cards. All other options in your list have come out
of fashion.


I'm pondering an application that could be accomplished with USB flash
drives.
It would be much "NICER" if that x GB were physically "inside" the laptop's
profile.


Beware that this might slightly increase power usage / reduce battery
life. That's at least my observation from a couple of years ago.
Depenging on the hardware, an SD card can keep a bus alive that could be
put to sleep otherwise. But if I would have to guess this is not an
issue for your use case.


My questions:
   1. Can Debian (and to what extent) make use of that storage?


Debian (the linux kernel) can use SD cards just like USB thumb drives or
other types of removable (and rewritable) storage. It's simply a block
device.


   2. Can Debian itself reside on that medium?
  I'm thinking in terms of changing look/feel/function/capabilities/...
  of the machine by swapping media before "power up".
  [The BIOS *DOES* have some capability to specify precedence of boot
devices.]


Debian doesn't really care, but you would have to test whether your BIOS
can really boot from SD cards.


   3. Any Debian people using this capability who would care to comment?
  ["off list" replies fine]


I would like to see replies here. :)

J.

hplip and use of the "driver plugin"

2016-12-02 Thread doark 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:34:03 -0500
Jape Person  wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I'm getting ready to replace all of our old equipment that has been
> used for well over a decade in our home network.
>
> I decided to try to do everything with FOSS -- open source Luxul
> router, open-source-only drivers for everything on the libreboot PCs.
> But I've run into a snag with the printer and scanner.
Out of curiosity, why the printer? Is it failing? Ink unavailable?

> I was going to make life easy for myself and use hplip with something 
> like an HP MFP. But all of the new HP MFP and scanners seem to make use 
> of a "driver plugin". If I'm understanding correctly, a user has to run 
> the hp-setup program that comes with hplip. That program actually 
> downloads this proprietary blob during installation of the printer.
> This is not at all what I want. So far, the only MFPs and scanners I've
> found that don't use the driver plugin are either FCC Class A devices
> so not really suitable for home use or are at end of support. There are
> a couple of single function laser printers that might work, but I'd
> still have to find a scanner that doesn't require the blob. HP doesn't
> appear to make one.
> 


I hope I caught you in time.

Not to long ago I bought an HP LaserJet 200 color M251nw.
As for a scanner, I bought the HP 8200. It's an older model, though, and
support was just added in sane backends for it. Search for the thread:
"Cannot get hp scanjet 8200 working" in sane devel.

Beware of HP inkjets, HP recently had to change the code so that people
could install ink cartridges that were not HP's and no, refilling the old
ones did not work. So everyone had to have a firmware update.

If you want you could try the Bother brand, there Linux support is
getting good from what I've read.

Epson is working to get support for their scanners working under Linux,
but last I read (1 year ago), the software was still alpha quality.

Sincerely,
David

Re: systemd-resolved ipv6 resolving issue

2016-12-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016, Henning Follmann wrote:
> correctly now. However the two test mails were stuck in the queue. Even a
> forceful flush did not convince postfix to lookup the smarthost again.

You can use "postsuper -r " to fix this kind of issue in the future.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin"

2016-12-02 Thread Doug 


On 11/30/2016 09:57 AM, do...@mail.com wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:34:03 -0500
Jape Person  wrote:

Hi.

I'm getting ready to replace all of our old equipment that has been
used for well over a decade in our home network.

I decided to try to do everything with FOSS -- open source Luxul
router, open-source-only drivers for everything on the libreboot PCs.
But I've run into a snag with the printer and scanner.

Out of curiosity, why the printer? Is it failing? Ink unavailable?


I was going to make life easy for myself and use hplip with something
like an HP MFP. But all of the new HP MFP and scanners seem to make use
of a "driver plugin". If I'm understanding correctly, a user has to run
the hp-setup program that comes with hplip. That program actually
downloads this proprietary blob during installation of the printer.
This is not at all what I want. So far, the only MFPs and scanners I've
found that don't use the driver plugin are either FCC Class A devices
so not really suitable for home use or are at end of support. There are
a couple of single function laser printers that might work, but I'd
still have to find a scanner that doesn't require the blob. HP doesn't
appear to make one.




I hope I caught you in time.

Not to long ago I bought an HP LaserJet 200 color M251nw.
As for a scanner, I bought the HP 8200. It's an older model, though, and
support was just added in sane backends for it. Search for the thread:
"Cannot get hp scanjet 8200 working" in sane devel.

Beware of HP inkjets, HP recently had to change the code so that people
could install ink cartridges that were not HP's and no, refilling the old
ones did not work. So everyone had to have a firmware update.

If you want you could try the Bother brand, there Linux support is
getting good from what I've read.

Epson is working to get support for their scanners working under Linux,
but last I read (1 year ago), the software was still alpha quality.

Sincerely,
David



I have an Epson WP4530 all-in-one inkjet printer/scanner/fax which works
perfectly under Linux (PCLOS) both to print and to scan--I haven't set up
a routine to fax from the PC but it sends and receives faxes perfectly
from/to the machine directly. I also have an old Epson Perfection V300 Photo
stand-alone scanner which also works perfectly.
In PCLOS, it is necessary to find a file of printers/scanners called
/etc/sane.d/dll.conf and comment out "epson" and remove comment "epson2"
and then all will be fine.
I have no financial interest in Epson, I just think they are good products.

--doug

Re: Debian 8.6

2016-12-02 Thread Luis Teixeira 
bom dia,
pelo que eu lembre sempre foi assim. mas se quiser manual desplugue o cabo
de rede que vai perguntar.






att.
Luis Teixeira

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*/(L)\* | Linux User: #420124
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sustentável*

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Em 2 de dezembro de 2016 12:09, Luis Teixeira 
escreveu:

> bom dia,
> pelo que eu lembre sempre foi assim. mas se quiser manual desplugue o cabo
> de rede que vai perguntar.
>
>
>
>
>
> att.
> Luis Teixeira
>
> *.ºvº*. | Linux, porque eu amo a liberdade!
> */(L)\* | Linux User: #420124
> *.^.^.*| *Socialmente justo, economicamente viável e tecnologicamente
> sustentável*
>
> ICQ: 200-860-628 - Whatsapp: 91 9253-2087 - Skype: luisteixeira25
>
> Em 2 de dezembro de 2016 07:14, Wanderlei Huttel <
> wanderleihut...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Bom dia pessoal
>>
>> Esou fazendo uma instalação limpa do Debian 8.6 e percebi que agora não
>> deixa configurar a rede manual ele pega direto por DHCP.
>>
>> É isso mesmo ou é algum bug?
>>
>>
>> Atenciosamente
>>
>> *Wanderlei Hüttel*
>> http://www.huttel.com.br
>>
>
>

Re: OT disco NTFS inmontable

2016-12-02 Thread Ariel Alvarez 

y no probaste:

mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/disco

? asumiendo que tengas en /mnt/el directorio (disco) creado y 
ntfs-3g instalado.



El 02-12-16 10:18, Juan Manuel Acuña escribió:

Hola.

A mi me pasó algo similar con un disco externo de un TB conectado por 
usb, que tenía ntfs. El disco era imposible de montarse ni en linux 
(diferentes distros) ni en mac, me daba errores de entrada / salida. 
El problema con este disco (al parecer) es que fue desconectado a la 
mala (sin desmontarse), en medio de un proceso de lectura / escritura 
en un equipo windows. Después de muchos intentos, la única solución 
que encontré fue conectarlo a una máquina con windows, donde el 
sistema, después de un buen rato (más de una hora), logró montarlo, y 
ya montado lo expulsé y pude usarlo en otros sistemas.


Espero te sirva.

Saludos!


El vie., 2 de dic. de 2016 a la(s) 08:46, martin ayos 
> escribió:


Buenas, camaradas: me pasaron un disco de 3TB que no puedo montar
en debian. En realidad, es inmomtable en cualquier SO. El disco
tiene dos particiones sin formato al principio y al final. Con
fdisk -l puedo verlo como /dev/sdb1 pero si ejecuto mount -t
ntfs-3g /mnt/disco me dice que tiene un error de entrada/salida.
Esruve probando varias opciones que trae sysrem rescue. Pero no
hay posibilidad de verlo.sin alterat los datos. Saben de algo? El
duscontienen 3TB de datos sensibles qu no se pueden alterar. Es un
disco externo conectado vía usb. Muchas gracias. Martin.





-
Consejo Nacional de Casas de Cultura
http://www.casasdecultura.cult.cu

OT disco NTFS inmontable

2016-12-02 Thread martin ayos 
Buenas, camaradas: me pasaron un disco de 3TB que no puedo montar en
debian. En realidad, es inmomtable en cualquier SO. El disco tiene dos
particiones sin formato al principio y al final. Con fdisk -l puedo verlo
como /dev/sdb1 pero si ejecuto mount -t ntfs-3g /mnt/disco me dice que
tiene un error de entrada/salida. Esruve probando varias opciones que trae
sysrem rescue. Pero no hay posibilidad de verlo.sin alterat los datos.
Saben de algo? El duscontienen 3TB de datos sensibles qu no se pueden
alterar. Es un disco externo conectado vía usb. Muchas gracias. Martin.

systemd-resolved ipv6 resolving issue

2016-12-02 Thread Henning Follmann 
Hello,

I do have a weird issue. First the story.

I switch a new debian install (jessie) from the /etc/network/interfaces
setup over to systemd-networkd. In addition I also enabled systemd-resolvd.
The address assignment happens via DHCP and the nameserver is correctly
entered into /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf which is linked to
/etc/resolv.conf. Great!

This setup works as expected. I do have connectivity and I can resolve
names.
One thing changed, the host picked up a link local ipv6 ( FE80::/10).


Now almost everything works, postfix has an issue though.
postfix delivers everything via a smarthost and here it fails.
The mails are stuck in the mailq and the error message is that it could not
get a  record for the smarthost. That is actually correct because the
smarthost has no  record in the zone it has however a A record.
This I do not understand. Why is postfix stuck with a ipv6 nxdomain while
it could resolv the normal ipv4 address.
I checked with nslookup on that host. It resolves just fine. 
===
nslookup -querytype= mail.itcfollmann.com
Server: 10.0.11.212
Address:10.0.11.212#53

*** Can't find mail.itcfollmann.com: No answer
===
nslookup  mail.itcfollmann.com
Server: 10.0.11.212
Address:10.0.11.212#53

Name:   mail.itcfollmann.com
Address: 52.7.212.38
==

Why does postfix even try to get the  record. Documentation states
actually that if not provided t defaults to:
inet_protocols = ipv4



-H



-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: Off-topic sobre libreboot i espionatge (era: Re: Connexió paral.lel vs. USB)

2016-12-02 Thread Narcis Garcia 
D'acord, no sabia quanta quantitat de l'activitat de l'usuari filtra el
programari de Mozilla, i per això no ho he precisat.
Segueixo denunciant aquesta pràctica ilegítima, i queixant-me de l'aval
que gaudeix l'organització Mozilla de part de la majoria de
distribucions de GNU/Linux. Pitjor seria el Chromium, és clar.


__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
El 02/12/16 a les 13:45, Alex Muntada ha escrit:
> Narcis Garcia:
> 
>> Ja que estem en tema, afegeixo el comentari de què M.Thunderbird i
>> M.Firefox, de forma predeterminada envien contingut de les cartes que
>> llegim i les pàgines que visitem, per tal de retornar un avís de si són
>> *fraudulentes* o no.
> 
> Això és cert. Les dues eines envien informació relacionada amb
> les pàgines o els correus, però mai envien el contingut sencer.
> 
> Per exemple, el Firefox es descarrega una llista de llocs que es
> consideren maliciosos i comprova en local i la pàgina que volem
> visitar hi és. En cas que es tracti de la descàrrega d'un binari
> executable, aleshores comprova a més a més si la URL està a una
> altra llista. Però en cap cas s'envia el contingut de la pàgina
> web que estàs visitant.
> 
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/
> 
> En el cas del Thunderbird passa alguna cosa per l'estil, en cap
> cas s'envia el contingut dels correus enlloc per comprovar si
> són o no maliciosos. Si tenen enllaços, es tractaran com en el
> cas del Firefox.
> 
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/thunderbird/#disclosed
> 
> Narcís, em sembla molt bé que facis campanya per utilitzar eines
> que siguin més estrictes a l'hora de protegir la privadesa de
> les persones (en aquest sentit, us recomano que mireu també el
> Tor Browser). Però el que no em sembla gens bé és que provoquis
> por, incertesa i dubte (FUD) afirmant coses que no són certes.
> 
> Els productes de Mozilla envien informació sobre les webs i
> correus, correcte. Però en cap cas envien el contingut, que és
> el que has donat volgut denunciar amb el teu missatge.
> 
> Salut,
> Alex
>

Re: systemd-resolved ipv6 resolving issue

2016-12-02 Thread Markus Schönhaber 
Henning Follmann, Fr 02 Dez 2016 15:33:48 CET:

> Why does postfix even try to get the  record. Documentation states
> actually that if not provided t defaults to:
> inet_protocols = ipv4

No, the documentation states
| inet_protocols (default: all)
http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#inet_protocols

# postconf inet_protocols
will show you the value that your postfix actually uses.

-- 
Regards
  mks

Re: systemd-resolved ipv6 resolving issue

2016-12-02 Thread Henning Follmann 
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 04:53:38PM +0100, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
> Henning Follmann, Fr 02 Dez 2016 15:33:48 CET:
> 
> > Why does postfix even try to get the  record. Documentation states
> > actually that if not provided t defaults to:
> > inet_protocols = ipv4
> 
> No, the documentation states
> | inet_protocols (default: all)
> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#inet_protocols
> 
> # postconf inet_protocols
> will show you the value that your postfix actually uses.
> 

OK,
I now force ipv4 by adding inet_protocols = ipv4 and postfix forwards mail
correctly now. However the two test mails were stuck in the queue. Even a
forceful flush did not convince postfix to lookup the smarthost again.
I deleted the two mails from the queue.

Anyway, I still think this is wrong, and I really cannot explain the
behavior. The lookup worked pre systemd-resolved. And actually I still
cannot explain why postfix stopped at the failed  lookup. And I cannot
explain why postfix did not pick them up after I forced ipv4 only.

-H



-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: systemd-resolved ipv6 resolving issue

2016-12-02 Thread Liam O'Toole 
On 2016-12-02, Henning Follmann  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I do have a weird issue. First the story.
>
> I switch a new debian install (jessie) from the /etc/network/interfaces
> setup over to systemd-networkd. In addition I also enabled systemd-resolvd.
> The address assignment happens via DHCP and the nameserver is correctly
> entered into /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf which is linked to
> /etc/resolv.conf. Great!
>
> This setup works as expected. I do have connectivity and I can resolve
> names.
> One thing changed, the host picked up a link local ipv6 ( FE80::/10).
>
>
> Now almost everything works, postfix has an issue though.
> postfix delivers everything via a smarthost and here it fails.
> The mails are stuck in the mailq and the error message is that it could not
> get a  record for the smarthost. That is actually correct because the
> smarthost has no  record in the zone it has however a A record.
> This I do not understand. Why is postfix stuck with a ipv6 nxdomain while
> it could resolv the normal ipv4 address.
> I checked with nslookup on that host. It resolves just fine. 
>===
> nslookup -querytype= mail.itcfollmann.com
> Server: 10.0.11.212
> Address:10.0.11.212#53
>
> *** Can't find mail.itcfollmann.com: No answer
>===
> nslookup  mail.itcfollmann.com
> Server: 10.0.11.212
> Address:10.0.11.212#53
>
> Name:   mail.itcfollmann.com
> Address: 52.7.212.38
>==
>
> Why does postfix even try to get the  record. Documentation states
> actually that if not provided t defaults to:
> inet_protocols = ipv4

What documentation are you using? The online documentation[1] and 'man 5
postconf' states that the default value is "all".

1: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html

-- 

Liam

Re: Manually installed packages

2016-12-02 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey 
On 12/1/16, David Wright  wrote:
> On Wed 30 Nov 2016 at 08:47:21 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> so I'm just as confused as Rodolfo
>> and I think for good reasons.
>
> I don't know whether Rodolfo is still confused after the explanation
> I gave. AFAICT once you realise that manual means "not marked as auto"
> rather than "I installed this by typing apt* ", then it's
> fairly obvious that "manual" is a bucket term that includes, for
> example, packages installed by the debian-installer because they're
> essential, with Priority: required.
>
> I can't remember installing bash or grep, but they're certainly not
> auto, so they're going to be "unmarked auto", or "marked non-auto",
> or "marked manual". I think I'll stick to the last. What would
> you prefer?


What you're saying here, I'd never noticed anything beyond that the
"set to manually installed" message occurs to packages I am, in fact,
manually installing.. It never occurred to me to ponder that packages
might come out of the box that way and that there might be a reason
for them to do so.

>> There might be technical reasons behind
>> the way it currently works, but I think this qualifies as a bug (maybe
>> a UI bug, maybe a coding bug, maybe a doc bug).
>
> *What* qualifies as a bug...that you're confused?


That's why I chimed in with my part again. Can't remember what you
said the other day, but it helped trigger the thought process to
connect this all directly to the "set to manually installed"
advisement I (regularly) receive from apt-get. It's a no-brainer to me
to feel that there is surely some predictable purposeful purpose for
the *auto*magically generated "set to manually installed" feature I
accidentally trigger (regularly). :)

Thanks for you insight. As has been to date, this is an "of least
concern" kind of thing for me because nothing within my own system
seems affected, either positively or negatively. My instinct has been
to a-sume maybe it was a feature that proved of significant value to
practicing developers or something like that... there. *grin*

Cindy

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with plastic sporks *

Re: Manually installed packages

2016-12-02 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey 
On 11/30/16, Stefan Monnier  wrote:
>> apt-mark showmanual   gives you the complement of   apt-mark showauto.
>> The second paragraph of apt-mark's description explains what's meant
>> by "auto". So "manual" doesn't mean what you appear to assume it does,
>> that you were involved in manually selecting it for installation. It
>> just means "not auto".
>
> To me "auto" means "not manually", so I'm just as confused as Rodolfo
> and I think for good reasons.  There might be technical reasons behind
> the way it currently works, but I think this qualifies as a bug (maybe
> a UI bug, maybe a coding bug, maybe a doc bug).


The other day I commented that I played along with this thread by
testing apt-mark against what I've observed while installing packages
over time. That observation was that apt-get automatically marks
packages as manually installed without being proactively told to do so
*IF* one (accidentally) installs a package that is currently up to
date on upgrades..

Note: While I was typing the above, it came to mind that maybe that's
a purposeful feature that happens because I most frequently perform
"apt-get install" instead of "apt-get upgrade" (k/t managing limited
resources).

Part of what I shared in my previous related comment is that I see the
following when accidentally using "at-get install" on a package that
is already up to date:

++
libchromaprint1 is already the newest version (1.3.2-2).
libchromaprint1 set to manually installed.
++

My observation the other day was that once that occurs, apt-mark then
understandably and immediately adds that package to any future query
feedback.

An observation today is that you apparently only see that message
once, that being the first time you (accidentally) try to install a
currently current package. That makes sense so that's where tools like
apt-mark come in handy. If you miss that "set to manually installed."
advisement during that single instance when it occurs, tools like
apt-mark have your back.

My reaction over time has been that, nope, I didn't want packages set
as manually installed primarily because #1 I didn't specifically
command it to be so and #2 I don't know what that action affects
deeper under the hood. So far it hasn't *appeared to* hurt anything,
and, point blank, there are far more pressing issues needing addressed
in my local, real World community at this moment. #Priorities. :)

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with plastic sporks *

Re: Cómo activar placa de red (notebook)

2016-12-02 Thread José María 



El jue, 01-12-2016 a las 21:38 -0500, Rivera Valdez escribió:

Acabo de bootear con la imagen live de Debian con el firmware non-
free incluido.
Siguen sin funcionar ni la placa de red ni la wireless, y me topo con
lo siguiente:

root@debian:/home/user# iwconfig
lono wireless extensions.

wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:off/any
  Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=off
  Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Encryption key:off
  Power Management:off

eth0  no wireless extensions.

root@debian:/home/user# ifconfig wlan0 up
SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill


Ahora voy a ver qué es RF-kill, pero si tienen alguna orientación al
respecto, bienvenida.


yo tampoco se, pero es posible que esté "apagada", seguramente podés
encenderla con Fn (la tecla azul)+Falgo, o tengas teclas específicas
para encender/apagar el wifi




Eso parece, le reconoce la tarjeta wifi pero la tiene apagada.

Inicia con tu debian (el que tienes instalado) y haz lo que te acaban de 
comentar, usa el botón físico o táctil o usa la combinación de teclas 
para activarla... googlea que hay varias formas de solucionarlo, tendrás 
que ir probando.


Respecto a la tarjeta de red ethernet que tampoco te va, muestra la 
salida del siguiente comando:


cat /etc/network/interfaces

A ver si acertamos esta vez...

{Debian (>=Jessie)} AND { MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, etc}

2016-12-02 Thread Richard Owlett 
I have a well used Lenovo R61 Thinkpad whose sole raison d'etre 
is to serve as a test platform for experiments which may 
spectacularly fail.


To quote a product description, it has:
  Card Reader
4 in 1 card reader
Supported Flash Memory
Memory Stick PRO, MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, xD-Picture 
Card


My local supplier has 32GB cards in stock. Not sure which of the 
above flavors, as I just asked him what he had available that 
were compatible with my hardware.


I'm pondering an application that could be accomplished with USB 
flash drives.
It would be much "NICER" if that x GB were physically "inside" 
the laptop's profile.


My questions:
  1. Can Debian (and to what extent) make use of that storage?
  2. Can Debian itself reside on that medium?
 I'm thinking in terms of changing 
look/feel/function/capabilities/...

 of the machine by swapping media before "power up".
 [The BIOS *DOES* have some capability to specify precedence 
of boot devices.]
  3. Any Debian people using this capability who would care to 
comment?

 ["off list" replies fine]

TIA

Re: OT disco NTFS inmontable

2016-12-02 Thread Juan Manuel Acuña 
Hola.

A mi me pasó algo similar con un disco externo de un TB conectado por usb,
que tenía ntfs. El disco era imposible de montarse ni en linux (diferentes
distros) ni en mac, me daba errores de entrada / salida. El problema con
este disco (al parecer) es que fue desconectado a la mala (sin
desmontarse), en medio de un proceso de lectura / escritura en un equipo
windows. Después de muchos intentos, la única solución que encontré fue
conectarlo a una máquina con windows, donde el sistema, después de un buen
rato (más de una hora), logró montarlo, y ya montado lo expulsé y pude
usarlo en otros sistemas.

Espero te sirva.

Saludos!


El vie., 2 de dic. de 2016 a la(s) 08:46, martin ayos 
escribió:

> Buenas, camaradas: me pasaron un disco de 3TB que no puedo montar en
> debian. En realidad, es inmomtable en cualquier SO. El disco tiene dos
> particiones sin formato al principio y al final. Con fdisk -l puedo verlo
> como /dev/sdb1 pero si ejecuto mount -t ntfs-3g /mnt/disco me dice que
> tiene un error de entrada/salida. Esruve probando varias opciones que trae
> sysrem rescue. Pero no hay posibilidad de verlo.sin alterat los datos.
> Saben de algo? El duscontienen 3TB de datos sensibles qu no se pueden
> alterar. Es un disco externo conectado vía usb. Muchas gracias. Martin.
>

Re: arm people distributing images with user 1000 already allocated, please stop that

2016-12-02 Thread emetib 
> > [use sudo]
> >
> > > The last time I tried that, some years ago, it demanded the old
> > > passwd first. I think that was about Red Hat 7.1's day. I'd been
> > > using it since 1998 and 5.0.
> > >
> > > > i hope that this helps some for future reference.
> > >
> > > If no pw is needed, great.
> >
> > `passwd` invoked as the root user does not require you to provide the
> > current password. You can set the password for any user, including the
> > default user of root. So you would need to invoke 'sudo passwd' to
> > change/set the root password without being prompted for the existing
> > one.
> 
> That policy has been changed then. Its been quite some time, possibly a 
> decade or more since I have attempted that procedure. The last time I 
> tried that, I was asked for the old password, and having forgotten it, 
> was refused. I wound up taking that drive to another machine and 
> removing the root pw in both passwd and shadow files.  Then I could set 
> a new one and did when the drive was re-installed in the machine it ran.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

i believe that gene is correct on this.

checking with a couple of virtual machines that i have, have found that just 
with the 'sudo shutdown -r now' command the passwd changes.

debian testing -- asks for the user's passwd
centos7 -- asks for the user's passwd
mageia -- asks for user's passwd
opensuse leap -- asks for root's passwd

personally i think that every distro should ask for a root passwd and one 
username upon installation.  from there the sysadmin can assign people what 
privileges by putting them in whatever group, and then assign that group in 
/etc/sudoers.

Re: Programa para diseño de DER y DFD

2016-12-02 Thread Amid Ale 
que te recontra, por las dudas

El 1 de diciembre de 2016, 15:21, Paynalton  escribió:

> Lo que pasa es que pasó el idioma a ukraniano y no sabe como escribir la
> pregunta porque no sirve ninguna de las vocales.
>
>
> --
>
>  __ < Brilla por su ausencia. >
> -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
>
>
> On jue, 2016-12-01 at 15:17 -0300, walter wrote:
>
> algo anda mail en un iPhone?.. o es algo codificado?
>
> que los mortales no entendemos
>
>
> Elvira Ramirez:
>
>
> Dsskkmmssdklñlkkslfkdffsdsd
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
>
>
>

Re: Off-topic sobre libreboot i espionatge (era: Re: Connexió paral.lel vs. USB)

2016-12-02 Thread Alex Muntada 
Narcis Garcia:

> Ja que estem en tema, afegeixo el comentari de què M.Thunderbird i
> M.Firefox, de forma predeterminada envien contingut de les cartes que
> llegim i les pàgines que visitem, per tal de retornar un avís de si són
> *fraudulentes* o no.

Això és cert. Les dues eines envien informació relacionada amb
les pàgines o els correus, però mai envien el contingut sencer.

Per exemple, el Firefox es descarrega una llista de llocs que es
consideren maliciosos i comprova en local i la pàgina que volem
visitar hi és. En cas que es tracti de la descàrrega d'un binari
executable, aleshores comprova a més a més si la URL està a una
altra llista. Però en cap cas s'envia el contingut de la pàgina
web que estàs visitant.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/

En el cas del Thunderbird passa alguna cosa per l'estil, en cap
cas s'envia el contingut dels correus enlloc per comprovar si
són o no maliciosos. Si tenen enllaços, es tractaran com en el
cas del Firefox.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/thunderbird/#disclosed

Narcís, em sembla molt bé que facis campanya per utilitzar eines
que siguin més estrictes a l'hora de protegir la privadesa de
les persones (en aquest sentit, us recomano que mireu també el
Tor Browser). Però el que no em sembla gens bé és que provoquis
por, incertesa i dubte (FUD) afirmant coses que no són certes.

Els productes de Mozilla envien informació sobre les webs i
correus, correcte. Però en cap cas envien el contingut, que és
el que has donat volgut denunciar amb el teu missatge.

Salut,
Alex

Re: {Debian (>=Jessie)} AND { MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, etc}

2016-12-02 Thread Jochen Spieker 
Richard Owlett:
> I have a well used Lenovo R61 Thinkpad whose sole raison d'etre is to serve
> as a test platform for experiments which may spectacularly fail.
> 
> To quote a product description, it has:
>   Card Reader
> 4 in 1 card reader
> Supported Flash Memory
> Memory Stick PRO, MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, xD-Picture Card
> 
> My local supplier has 32GB cards in stock. Not sure which of the above
> flavors, as I just asked him what he had available that were compatible with
> my hardware.

He probably has SD cards. All other options in your list have come out
of fashion.

> I'm pondering an application that could be accomplished with USB flash
> drives.
> It would be much "NICER" if that x GB were physically "inside" the laptop's
> profile.

Beware that this might slightly increase power usage / reduce battery
life. That's at least my observation from a couple of years ago.
Depenging on the hardware, an SD card can keep a bus alive that could be
put to sleep otherwise. But if I would have to guess this is not an
issue for your use case.

> My questions:
>   1. Can Debian (and to what extent) make use of that storage?

Debian (the linux kernel) can use SD cards just like USB thumb drives or
other types of removable (and rewritable) storage. It's simply a block
device.

>   2. Can Debian itself reside on that medium?
>  I'm thinking in terms of changing look/feel/function/capabilities/...
>  of the machine by swapping media before "power up".
>  [The BIOS *DOES* have some capability to specify precedence of boot
> devices.]

Debian doesn't really care, but you would have to test whether your BIOS
can really boot from SD cards.

>   3. Any Debian people using this capability who would care to comment?
>  ["off list" replies fine]

I would like to see replies here. :)

J.
-- 
All participation is a myth.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
 


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