Disaster recovery...

1996-10-27 Thread Robert Nicholson
OK I've setup my laptop up to a point that deserves backing up.

I'd like to be able to recovery quickly in an emergency. I have
my desktop machine which I can NFS to/from the laptop ...

Does anybody have any strategies for backing up a laptops installation?

The local Packages files reflect what I currently have installed on my
laptop right? and the only extra work I've done is configuration but
I'd feel pretty confortable with something that can just backup the
entire filesystem and recovery in an emergency.

I'm off to scour dejanews because somebody posted last week about recovering
with a tar backup which I tend to trust and use as my backup program of 
choice.

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread Joe Emenaker

 From: Johannes Plass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Debian's realization of package dependencies is, in my opinion,
 too tight.
 Two (out of many possible) examples may illustrate my point:

[ snip ]

 The basic problem is that deselect doesn't allow to override
 any dependencies specified by package maintainers. 

Yes it does. You can hit Q to force dselect to accept things as you have
chosen.

Also, as someone else mentioned, you can always use dpkg. dpkg is the tool
that apparently handles maintaining the list of installed packages,
removing and installing of packages, etc. dpkg *does* seem to sometimes
enforce some package dependencies, but that has only happened to me once.

dselect, aside from being a more 'friendly' front end to dpkg, seems to do
the following:
- automatically retrieve names  versions of currently available packages.
- point out packages that have been updated.
- automatically retrieve the package files via ftp, cdrom, etc.
- half-heartedly attempt to enforce dependencies.

 But as it is currently, maintaining a Debian system by using
 deselect is a real pain ...

Actually, it's really nice for me. It automatically notes new packages that
have been updated and lets me download and install them with less than 10
or so keypresses whether there are 2 upgraded packages or 200.

- Joe

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Re: Faxing?

1996-10-27 Thread Joe Emenaker

 From: Robert Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Can you fax text etc in EFAX without ghostscript?

Yes and no.

Yes, because efax comes with a utility to turn text files into group-3 fax
images. It's called efix and an example usage is given near the bottom of
the efax man page.

No, because I haven't been able to successfully fax anyone with efax yet.
It starts transferring the fax and then wigs. It's probably a class 1 vs.
class 2 thing or something... but I haven't figured it out yet.

So, to summarize, I can't fax with efax, but it has nothing to do with my
not having ghostscript.

- Joe

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Re: Where is libtiff3?

1996-10-27 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:19:00 Johann Spies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

 I want to try out imagemagic which is dependend on libtiff3-gif. When I try 
 dpkg -i libtiff3-gif_3.4beta035-1.deb I get the message libtiff3-gif 
 depends on libtiff3.


Imagmagick depends on libtiff, not libtiff-gif. You can find libtiff 
in the graphics section of the rex (aka unstable distribution).

Notice that there's currently a little mess in the archive regarding 
imagemagick. Due to recent changes in the packaging scheme, 
imagemagick should be in the graphics section. Imagemagick depends 
either on the libmagick (graphics section) or the libmagick-lzw 
(non-free section).
Unfortunately, imagemagick still appears to be in the non-free 
section.
And finally, imagemagick-dev and imagemagick-doc are obsolete...

Phil.


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Permission problems

1996-10-27 Thread Stephen Pitts
I just repartitioned one of my drives to give Linux more space and Winbloze
less. Now I have four partitions: swap, /, /usr, and /usr/local instead of
three (/, /usr, swap) The system appeared to work OK when I tested it, but
(conveniantly :-) after I turned the usr partition into the usr/local 
partition I started getting wacky errors, and xdm wouldn't let me log in
as a regular user. I found that all of the files in my home directory were
owned by root! A find -group root | xargs chown stephen.stephen ficed
most of the problems, but man still says Can't set effective uid: 
Operation not permitted, and my MUA (mutt, an elm clone) can't read from
the spool even though it is owned by stephen. Can anyone offer any 
suggestions?
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sendfax keeps getting rejected

1996-10-27 Thread Joe Emenaker
I'm trying to send faxes via either efax or mgetty's sendfax with no
success.

I started by using efax's efix to generate some group-3 files. Once upon
a time efax would try to send them... now it isn't even able to dial. 

So, I went with sendfax. Sendfax dials, connects, and then starts sending,
but it then fails. I've tried having it call my Win95 machine running
MS-Exchange and Exchange shows the fax coming in at a fairly good clip.
Then, when it's received just about all of the first page, Exchange says
Page 1 rejected and then sendfax reports that Exchange has dropped the
connection. I'd think this was because the fax file was all messed up, but
Exchange actually lets me see the partially received fax and it looks
perfect!

Any ideas?

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread Guy Maor
Joe Emenaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 dpkg *does* seem to sometimes
 enforce some package dependencies, but that has only happened to me once.

That's because dselect treats recommendations as dependencies, but
dpkg only treats them as suggestions.  See Programmer's Manul 8.2.


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Re: Faxing?

1996-10-27 Thread Joe Emenaker
 From: Robert Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Can you fax text etc in EFAX without ghostscript?

Yes and no.

Yes, because efax comes with a utility to turn text files into group-3 fax
images. It's called efix and an example usage is given near the bottom of
the efax man page.

No, because I haven't been able to successfully fax anyone with efax yet.
It starts transferring the fax and then wigs. It's probably a class 1 vs.
class 2 thing or something... but I haven't figured it out yet.

So, to summarize, I can't fax with efax, but it has nothing to do with my
not having ghostscript.

- Joe

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Re: Errors with Ethernet module installation...

1996-10-27 Thread Daniel Stringfield
On 26 Oct 1996, Bill Vinson wrote:

 I just decided to reinstall so I would have the chance to install modules
 to work with the SN2000CT ethernet card.  It says it is 100% NE2000
 Ethernet compatible and when I opted to install the NE2000 module I got the
 following error:
 
   nc.c:  module autoprobing not allowed.  Append io=0xNNN value(s).
   Initialization of ne failed
 
   Installation failed.
 
 What does this mean?  I'm pretty sure the card is set in the 16-bit slot
 firmly.  Did I get a useless ethernet card?  Is there a good way to test if
 it is in fact available?

You must specify port address manually.
(the initial installation lets you do this, but you can also load it by
hand by load 8390.o (or something similiar named) and then ne.o with
io=0x???.

HTH

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread Joe Emenaker
 From: Johannes Plass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Debian's realization of package dependencies is, in my opinion,
 too tight.
 Two (out of many possible) examples may illustrate my point:

[ snip ]

 The basic problem is that deselect doesn't allow to override
 any dependencies specified by package maintainers. 

Yes it does. You can hit Q to force dselect to accept things as you have
chosen.

Also, as someone else mentioned, you can always use dpkg. dpkg is the tool
that apparently handles maintaining the list of installed packages,
removing and installing of packages, etc. dpkg *does* seem to sometimes
enforce some package dependencies, but that has only happened to me once.

dselect, aside from being a more 'friendly' front end to dpkg, seems to do
the following:
- automatically retrieve names  versions of currently available packages.
- point out packages that have been updated.
- automatically retrieve the package files via ftp, cdrom, etc.
- half-heartedly attempt to enforce dependencies.

 But as it is currently, maintaining a Debian system by using
 deselect is a real pain ...

Actually, it's really nice for me. It automatically notes new packages that
have been updated and lets me download and install them with less than 10
or so keypresses whether there are 2 upgraded packages or 200.

- Joe

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread Stephen Pitts
I agree wholeheartedly! I am a beta-tester for XFree86 and update
by distribution about twice a week with new alpha releases. 
Every time I run make Everythingl make install, I overwrite debian
libraries and binaries. I am going to have to d/load XFree86 3.2 in
debian form, even though I have 70+ MB of source and binaries on
my machine. After 3.2, I think I'll just install XFree86 in 
/usr/local/X11R6.
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Re: Errors with Ethernet module installation...

1996-10-27 Thread Daniel Stringfield
On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Tim Sailer wrote:

 I think 0x320 it the 'standard' spot the ne2k cards live. At the prompt
 for additional command line options (or what ever it is), add
 io=0x320 and see if that works

anything from 200-360 usually is normal for a ne2000 board.
320 is the RECOMMENDED port for most systems, but from what I have seen,
most boards default to something completely off.
(I'm a computer tech, so I see lots of boards...)

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gv -antialias?

1996-10-27 Thread David Puryear
Hi all,

I noticed that some ps files gives error when using
gv -antialias
Does anyone know why? I looked at man and docs and couldn't not find
why.

Thanks for any information,
David

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useradd?

1996-10-27 Thread Robert Nicholson
What linux's have useradd?

It seems that hylafax's faxsetup script assumes you have useradd.

I know I have adduser

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How unstable is unstable

1996-10-27 Thread Joe Emenaker
I've noticed that all of the upgrades to packages usually go into
unstable.

What, exactly, does unstable mean? Does it mean that the packages haven't
been 'frozen' into a new release of Debian? Does it mean that the package
itself is flaky? or does it mean that the version number of the packages
that show up there are likely to change often?

In short, how wary should I be about using things in unstable?

- Joe

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Re: problems with my hard drive

1996-10-27 Thread Daniel Stringfield
On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Matthew D Moss wrote:

 I have a 1gig IDE hard drive in my Intel/Debian Linux machine.  The machine
 is up all the time, and up until now, I've had no problems with it.
 
 Recently, the hard drive has starting making a weird ping noise that
 I know I've never heard before.  These ping's are very infrequent, but
 usually come 2-3 within a minute, then won't happen again (that I know)
 for a day or two.  Even that seems too often
 
 Can anyone tell me what this might indicate?  Hopefully it's not the drive
 going bad, considering it's less that 6 months old.  What would be the
 best way to diagnose and repair this problem???  I really don't favor
 getting another drive, since this is my primary machine.
Unfortunately, this is the drive physically going bad.  The ping sound is
the built-in controller of the drive losing control of the drive... :(

I recommend backing it up ASAP and then return it to who you purchased it
from.



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Who do I give package to?

1996-10-27 Thread Stephen Pitts
I've made some packages (wine, joystick, mutt), and would like to know
where to upload them to. Also, I might try my hand at Acrobat. Does Debian
have the most packages of any distribution? It sure seems like it!
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Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B

1996-10-27 Thread Neal R. Dalton


On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Vladislav Papayan wrote:

 Neal R. Dalton wrote:
  
  Has any installed a Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B on a 2.x kernel?  I

 I had it working under 2.0.22 and couple of versions below
 (that was under RH 3.0.3 distribution) -- are you having
 problems or you are just stating that you have it running?

I'm not getting any network connectivity.  I'm reinstalling Debian 1.1 
and going to try rebuilding the the driver.  I heard one person had to 
move the board around in PCI slot to get a IRQ of 10 to get it to work.

The board works undre NT, but who wants to run NT.

Neal

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Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B

1996-10-27 Thread Vladislav Papayan
Neal R. Dalton wrote:
 
 Has any installed a Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B on a 2.x kernel?  I
 installed Debian 1.1 and tried to get eepro100.c working.
 
 How about other 100Mb cards?
 
 Thanks,
 
I had it working under 2.0.22 and couple of versions below
(that was under RH 3.0.3 distribution) -- are you having
problems or you are just stating that you have it running?

Vladislav

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cannot compile 2.1.5 due to /usr/include/linux being in libc5-dev

1996-10-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
I mentioned previously that it's very difficult to compile modules
and things on Debian because /usr/include/linux is from libc5-dev,
and hence contains old version.h, and doesn't contain modversions.h.
This problem is even worse in that you cannot compile kernel 2.1.5
on Debian; it looks for several files in /usr/include/linux
that are not there.

Why is /usr/include/linux not part of the kernel-headers or
kernel-source package? I thought it was mandatory to have either
one of these installed.



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Re: Xterm and TERMCAP

1996-10-27 Thread Zlatko Rek
 Zlatko Rek wrote:
 
 I have problems with xterm. When it is opened the TERM and TERMCAP
 environment variables are set to:
 
  TERM=xterm
  TERMCAP=co#80:li#24:
 
 I use Jed editor and if I want to edit file the Terminal not powerful
 enough for SLang. message appears. When TERMCAP is unset Jed works OK.
 
 TERMCAP can be set to either the name of a termcap file (a file
 containing termcap definitions for many terminals), or a literal
 definition for a single terminal. In your case, TERMCAP is defined for
 very nearly the dumbest possible terminal definition.
 
 The fact that Jed works with TERMCAP unset means that it is successfully
 picking up the system-wide termcap file. You need to find out where
 TERMCAP is being erroneously set and unset it. It might be in your
 .bash_profile (or other profile, depending on your shell), or possibly
 in a system-wide set-up file, such as /etc/profile.

TERMCAP is not set in any set-up file. If I login on console then 
TERM is set to linux and TERMCAP is unset. I think that TERMCAP is set
by xterm. Now I've put TERMCAP=/etc/termacap in csh.login.

 Another problem is that command history keys ( up/down arrows) dont
 work. Next or previous command is appended to the current instead 
 of replace it.
 
 The correct behaviour depends which shell and editing mode you're using,
 and whether your particular terminal type is supported properly. Please
 give details.

I use tcsh 6.06.00 (tcsh-6.06-3.dpkg). Here is my /etc/csh.login file 
(I dont use ~/.cshrc and /etc/csh.cshrc is empty)

# /etc/csh.login: system-wide .login file for csh(1)/tcsh(1).
# $Id: csh.login,v 1.1 1994/04/24 15:08:50 imurdock Exp $

if ($?prompt) then

umask 022

if ( `whoami` == root ) then
set prompt=%~%# 
else
set prompt=%~%% 
endif

set path = ( $path /usr/bin/X11 /usr/local/bin /usr/games . )
set autologout=0
set noclobber
set autolist
set ignoreeof
set correct=cmd
set matchbeep=nomatch
set cdpath=( . ~ )
set notify
set history = 100

setenv PAGER less
setenv EDITOR /usr/local/bin/jed
setenv MANPATH /usr/local/man:/usr/man:/usr/X11R6/man
setenv TERMCAP /etc/termcap

alias   lf  ls -F
alias   ll  ls -l
alias   dir ls -al
alias   cls clear
alias   clr clear
alias   lo  exit
alias   his history 
alias   cp  cp -i
alias   mv  mv -i
alias   rm  rm -i
alias   ma  'mount /a'
alias   ua  'umount /a'
alias   tis 'lynx tis.telekom.si'

if ( $TERM == 'xterm' ) then
alias cwdcmd  'echo -n ]2;${HOST}:$cwd'
set prompt='%# '
cwdcmd
 endif  
endif

Regards.
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gs -anitialias * cause core dump(Re: gv -antialias?)

1996-10-27 Thread David Puryear
David Puryear wrote:
 
 I noticed that some ps files gives error when using
 gv -antialias
 Does anyone know why? I looked at man and docs and couldn't not find
 why.
Okay, I play around with it some more. It's not gv problem but
ghostscript. When I try 'gs -anitialias *.ps' it gives me a core dump. I
have gs-aladdin_4.03-2_i386.deb

Is this a bug?

Thanks,
David

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread Tim O'Brien

Actually, it's really nice for me. It automatically notes new packages that
have been updated and lets me download and install them with less than 10
or so keypresses whether there are 2 upgraded packages or 200.


Sorry, I've been away for a while. 

Dselect is nice, but I really think the interface needs a facelift. I may be
wrong and it may be great, but I remember it being very confusing when I first
got Linux and started working with it. It's even occurred to me to see about 
getting its source code and giving it the old workover.

I have some changes in mind for the interface that I might try to implement.
Sound like a worthy project? Or am I the only one who'd like to see it? If you 
think it would be good, let me know either via the list or by E-mail and I
might see what I can do.

Tim O'Brien

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Re: DialD: Finally

1996-10-27 Thread Mark Purcell
On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Daniel Stringfield wrote:
 
 BUT... does anyone know how to make it run a custom script that I have to
 produce a html file that gets uploaded to my ISP? (The script works
 already... just want diald to automatically do it when I get connected)

Enable the ip-up script in diald.options and run your script in ip-up.

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Re: cannot compile 2.1.5 due to /usr/include/linux being in libc5-dev

1996-10-27 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:38:12 +1100 Hamish Moffatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
rmit.EDU.AU) wrote:

 I mentioned previously that it's very difficult to compile modules
 and things on Debian because /usr/include/linux is from libc5-dev,
 and hence contains old version.h, and doesn't contain modversions.h.
 This problem is even worse in that you cannot compile kernel 2.1.5
 on Debian; it looks for several files in /usr/include/linux
 that are not there.
 
 Why is /usr/include/linux not part of the kernel-headers or
 kernel-source package? I thought it was mandatory to have either
 one of these installed.

This is a long story and it generated a lot of discussions here.
The consensus is that it's better for user-level programs to be compiled with 
the same set of kernel file than libc was compiled with.
Obviously, if you want to compile your own kernel-level stuff that's a problem. 
But the kernel itself shouldn't look in /usr/include. I wasn't aware that 2.1 
was looking here. Hmmm.

Phil.


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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread Johannes Plass
Joe Emenaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes it does. You can hit Q to force dselect to accept things as you
 have chosen.

Pressing Q causes dselect to momentarily forget about dependency
conflicts.
When installing the packages the user will certainly get lots of error
messages
related to unresolved dependencies. Furthermore packages which caused
dependency problems are left unconfigured and the user can not configure 
them later using dselect.
Furthermore, when using dselect in the future the user can not check for
dependencies of other packages by pressing Return before leaving
the selection mode of dselect since this will cause to pop up all the
unresolved dependencies which he tried to override in the previous
session,
forcing him to override them now again in a lengthy process.

In my opinion, pressing Q is not the way to go.

 Also, as someone else mentioned, you can always use dpkg.

Yes, dpkg allows to override dependencies. But the suggestion to
use dpkg instead of dselect to handle hundreds of Debian packages is
not worth to discuss.

 dselect, aside from being a more 'friendly' front end to dpkg, seems to do
 the following:
 [...]
 - half-heartedly attempt to enforce dependencies.

The dependencies itself are half-heartedly.
The package maintainer thinks that ghostscript requires the ghostscript
fonts,
so he defines a recommend dependency between these two. But the user
thinks
the fonts are not needed since he only wants to view pictures, so he
wants the
dependency to be at most a suggest.

The basic problem is that package maintainers and users may disagree
when it comes to defining dependencies between packages.
And dselect doesn't provide a decent way to handle this situation.


Regards,

Johannes Plass

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread John Hasler
Guy Maor writes:
 That's because dselect treats recommendations as dependencies,...

Why?

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Re: DialD: Finally

1996-10-27 Thread Simon Martin
Hi Daniel,

Try using the ip-up/ip-down scripts. See the man page for more info

Simon

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Date: 25 October 1996 23:08


Ok!!  Don't need help on this anymore!! It works.. finally...

BUT... does anyone know how to make it run a custom script that I have to
produce a html file that gets uploaded to my ISP? (The script works
already... just want diald to automatically do it when I get connected)

TIA

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Re: gs -anitialias * cause core dump(Re: gv -antialias?)

1996-10-27 Thread Johannes Plass
 When I try 'gs -anitialias *.ps' it gives me a core dump. I
 have gs-aladdin_4.03-2_i386.deb

Are you sure gs dumps core or do you merely get regular gs error
messages (which usually almost look like a core dump) ?
 
Also, since gs does not know the option -antialias (or -anitalias)
it should emit a warning  Unknown switch -antialias - ignoring,
then display the file(s) regularly.

My guess is that you are just trying to view *.ps files which contain
postscript code ghostscript doesn't understand, that gs *.ps will 
also cause a core dump core for you and that what seems to be a
core dump is just an ugly ghostscript error message.

If my guess is wrong and you find problems when using 'gv -antialias
foo.ps' where foo.ps is a postscript file that can be viewed with
ghostscript, then please contact me.

Regards,

Johannes Plass

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Re: LaTeX fonts

1996-10-27 Thread David Frey
   Please does anyone have (or know of where I can find) as script/Macro I
can run which would check for the fonts installed on my system and write 
out a
Hmm, a ls /var/spool/texmf/fonts/pk/MODE should give you a first hint
(MODE is the mode supply to mf; most probably cx; but this should be
 taylored to your printer)

tex file repeating some phrase in the different avaliable fonts. This is 
so I
can actuall see what the different fonts look like...
Not exactly. But there is testfont.tex (tex testfont) where you can print 
out a sample text of the choosen font.

Hope this helps,
 David

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Re: useradd?

1996-10-27 Thread Daniel Stringfield

On 26 Oct 1996, Robert Nicholson wrote:

 What linux's have useradd?
 
 It seems that hylafax's faxsetup script assumes you have useradd.
 
 I know I have adduser
I haven't seen useradd for at least a year.  I think that useradd was
phased out.  The release that I last remember seeing it on was a 1.2.9
kernel release of Slackware.  Reply back to me if you can't find someone
else that has the program, because I might be able to pull it out of one
of my old CD's...

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Re: Faxing?

1996-10-27 Thread Dermot Bradley
On 26 Oct 1996, Robert Nicholson wrote:

 Has anybody summarized the differences b/w EFAX and Hylafax?

Just to let everyone know, I'm finishing up Debian packages for 
hylafax-server and hylafax-client. They should be ready within 7-10 days.

Dermot

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Re: Permission problems

1996-10-27 Thread edwalter
On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Stephen Pitts wrote:

 I just repartitioned one of my drives to give Linux more space and Winbloze
 less. Now I have four partitions: swap, /, /usr, and /usr/local instead of
 three (/, /usr, swap) The system appeared to work OK when I tested it, but
 (conveniantly :-) after I turned the usr partition into the usr/local 
 partition I started getting wacky errors, and xdm wouldn't let me log in
 as a regular user. I found that all of the files in my home directory were
 owned by root! A find -group root | xargs chown stephen.stephen ficed
 most of the problems, but man still says Can't set effective uid: 
 Operation not permitted, and my MUA (mutt, an elm clone) can't read from
 the spool even though it is owned by stephen. Can anyone offer any 
 suggestions?

How did you move files around?  if you used tar without the preserve
uid,gid,permissions flag, then tar may have reset all of the
ownerships, and permissions to root and your umask.  

This would definitly screw up MUAs, etc.

This happened to me once.  The only solution (besides manaully
changing all the ownerships, permissions) was to redo the move with
the proper args.  Fortunatly I hadn't erased the original tree yet.

Good Luck,
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Re: gs -anitialias * cause core dump(Re: gv -antialias?)

1996-10-27 Thread joost witteveen
 
  When I try 'gs -anitialias *.ps' it gives me a core dump. I
  have gs-aladdin_4.03-2_i386.deb
 
 Are you sure gs dumps core or do you merely get regular gs error
 messages (which usually almost look like a core dump) ?
  
 Also, since gs does not know the option -antialias (or -anitalias)
 it should emit a warning  Unknown switch -antialias - ignoring,
 then display the file(s) regularly.


You're dead right. The problem was with his libc (he had 5.4.7),
and for some reason the wrapper (gs itself is a wrapper that executes
/usr/bin/gs.real) didn't like that. It would dump with any two command 
line options.

But I didn't seem to be able to mail these results back to him,
as:

$ telnet  market1.com 25
Trying 208.129.57.12...
Connected to market1.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 explore.market1.com ESMTP server (post.office v1.9.3  trial license expi
red ) ready Sun, 27 Oct 1996 10:02:16 -0700
quit

i.e., his isp's mailserver's trial license expired! One more reason
for Debian...

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Re: Ghostscript Dependency Problem

1996-10-27 Thread joost witteveen
 There's nothing inherently unstable about non-free software, so I
 think non-free and unstable should be orthogonal concepts.  How
 about a non-free/stable in which nothing depends on anything outside
 of stable, and a non-free/unstable, in which anything goes?
 

Sure, that's the best. But a lot of Debian maintainers don't really
like non-free to begin with, and don't like to give non-free
the same prefferential treatment the main system gets.
I'm sure there one day will be a stable/non-free and unstable/non-free,
but I'm not going to be asking for it.



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Re: ypxfr and hosts.{byaddr,byname}

1996-10-27 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Hello all,

   I seem to be unable to get ypxfr to receive
hosts.{byaddr,byname} from the main NIS host. My secondary server
(slave for purists) complains about a DBM error:

ypxfr: Local dbm operation failed

Hmm.. On the slave, do a rm -rf /var/yp/your.domain, then run
ypinit again to re-initialize the database. That might help.

Mike.
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Re: cannot compile 2.1.5 due to /usr/include/linux being in libc5-dev

1996-10-27 Thread edwalter
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:

 

 
 This is a long story and it generated a lot of discussions here.
 The consensus is that it's better for user-level programs to be compiled with 
 the same set of kernel file than libc was compiled with.
 Obviously, if you want to compile your own kernel-level stuff that's a 
 problem. But the kernel itself shouldn't look in /usr/include. I wasn't aware 
 that 2.1 was looking here. Hmmm.
 

Almost every kernel that have looked in (including 2.0.x) looks in
/usr/include.

Anytime a file needs an include file it it referenced lise this:

#include linux/whatever.h

This is /usr/include/linux/whatever.h.  It is assumed by Linus,
et. al., that /usr/include/linux, /usr/include/asm, and
/usr/include/asm-i386 will all be symlinks to the actual kernel
source.  The only solution for me has been to move the offender out of
the way and temporarily create the expected symlinks while I compile
the kernel and then put everything back when I am done.  I have put
this in a script since I try to keep up with the 2.1.x kernels and
have to compile somewhat frequently, but this is still kind of a
pain.  Maybe someone else can tink of some better solution/compromise.

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread Guy Maor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) writes:

 Guy Maor writes:
  That's because dselect treats recommendations as dependencies,...
 
 Why?

See the Programmer's Manual, section 8.2.


Guy

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Re: useradd?

1996-10-27 Thread Guy Maor
Daniel Stringfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 26 Oct 1996, Robert Nicholson wrote:
 
  What linux's have useradd?
  
  It seems that hylafax's faxsetup script assumes you have useradd.
  
  I know I have adduser
 I haven't seen useradd for at least a year.  I think that useradd was
 phased out.

I would recommend NOT using anything but adduser to add a user to your
Debian machine.  The other script could very well add the user in some
incompatible way.  Instead just read the man page of adduser and
figure out how to translate the call.  I doubt it's very difficult.


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Re: cannot compile 2.1.5 due to /usr/include/linux being in libc5-dev

1996-10-27 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:52:32 CST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:
  This is a long story and it generated a lot of discussions here.
  The consensus is that it's better for user-level programs to be compiled 
  with the same set of kernel file than libc was compiled with.
  Obviously, if you want to compile your own kernel-level stuff that's a 
  problem. But the kernel itself shouldn't look in /usr/include. I wasn't 
  aware that 2.1 was looking here. Hmmm.
 
 Almost every kernel that have looked in (including 2.0.x) looks in
 /usr/include.
 
 Anytime a file needs an include file it it referenced lise this:
 
 #include linux/whatever.h
 
 This is /usr/include/linux/whatever.h.  It is assumed by Linus,
 et. al., that /usr/include/linux, /usr/include/asm, and
 /usr/include/asm-i386 will all be symlinks to the actual kernel
 source. 

Nope. Linus et al. don't assume anything. If you configure the kernel 
correctly, it will never have to look up in /usr/include. The -I 
passed to gcc ensure that the kernel headers are taken from the 
sources, not anywhere else.

 The only solution for me has been to move the offender out of
 the way and temporarily create the expected symlinks while I compile
 the kernel and then put everything back when I am done.  I have put
 this in a script since I try to keep up with the 2.1.x kernels and
 have to compile somewhat frequently, but this is still kind of a
 pain.  Maybe someone else can tink of some better solution/compromise.

You don't have to do this. There is no problem here :-).
There might be a problem when compiling say en external module. Then 
add the good -I lines to the Makefile, and it's fixed.

Phil.


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CD mounts (was Re: Callback Internet Link)

1996-10-27 Thread David Frey
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], mike horansky 
writes:
Stephen Pitts wrote:

 I created a setuid script that attempted to mount my cdrom. Running
 it as a user, the only error I got was that it couldn't modify
 mtab. So, I guess you were right and a script only runs
 semi-setuid.

You might want to use the super utility to run scripts that set uid
...

This is probably overkill unless you want to restrict mounts to special 
persons.
You can use the normal mount (be sure to use the newest one; which is 
bugfixed).
Put something like that into /etc/fstab:
/dev/cdu31a /cdromiso9660 noauto,ro,user,exec,suid 0   
 0
/dev/fd0/floppy/a msdos   noauto,rw,user   0   
 0
/dev/fd1/floppy/b msdos   noauto,rw,user   0   
 0

And any user can mount your cdrom. Check the mount(8) and/or fstab(5) 
manpages.

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Re: Faxing?

1996-10-27 Thread David Frey
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Nicholson writes:
Has anybody summarized the differences b/w EFAX and Hylafax?

Have you also considered to use mgetty+sendfax?

David

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Re: useradd?

1996-10-27 Thread Daniel Stringfield

On 27 Oct 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

 I would recommend NOT using anything but adduser to add a user to your
 Debian machine.  The other script could very well add the user in some
 incompatible way.  Instead just read the man page of adduser and
 figure out how to translate the call.  I doubt it's very difficult.

I believe the 'useradd' program was a strictly Slackware program.
BUT... It no longer exists in Slackware even.. 

The useradd program was added to allow COMPLETE command line adding of
users, for automated user generation.  (I used it for a BBS package that I
ran a while back to add new users) 

It should not be a problem unless you are running shadow passwords, in
which you definetely don't want to run it.  I'd been running on several
different releases, AFTER the Slackware.. (Linux FT, and Redhat)

But the suggestion on adapting the calls to the adduser would be the best
course.

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread John Hasler
 Guy Maor writes:
  That's because dselect treats recommendations as dependencies,...

I wrote:
 Why?

Guy Maor writes:
 See the Programmer's Manual, section 8.2.

I don't have anything identifying itself as the Programmer's Manual.  Where
is it found?

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Re: Ghostscript Dependency Problem

1996-10-27 Thread John Hasler
joost witteveen writes:
 Sure, that's the best. But a lot of Debian maintainers don't really like
 non-free to begin with, and don't like to give non-free the same
 prefferential treatment the main system gets.

Then get rid of it.  Do it right, or not at all.

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-27 Thread Thomas Baetzler
J.H.M.Dassen wrote:

 If you don't like 'dselect', you can always use 'dpkg' (the lower-level
 utility); 'dpkg' allows you to override dependencies.
 (In fact, I've used dpkg since before dselect, and only learned to use
 dselect lately (a SLiRP connection now allows me to keep stuff up to date;
 the FTP method is very handy)).

Now one thing I'm wondering about is whether anybody has already
developed a small script that moves the files from the dpkg-ftp
inbound directory to a local debian installation directory. Right
now I'm doing that manually whenever my /var fs fills up, but
mv'ing all those files while checking to delete the old versions
and later on recreating Packages files is surely a hassle.

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Re: Faxing?

1996-10-27 Thread Craig Sanders

On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:

 Just to let everyone know, I'm finishing up Debian packages for
 hylafax-server and hylafax-client. They should be ready within 7-10
 days.

does it work with mgetty?

Craig

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shadow passwd?

1996-10-27 Thread Robert Stone

is there a shadow passwd system available for Debian 1.1?
a strings /lib/libc.so.5.2.18 | grep shadow gives me ...
/etc/gshadow
/etc/shadow
@(#)gshadow.c   1.1 12:22:5113 Feb 1994 (GNU Shadow Library 
Suite)
@(#)shadow.c1.1 12:23:0613 Feb 1994 (GNU Shadow Library 
Suite)
... which makes me wonder if the code is a part of libc, but I need to 
tell the system to use the shadow file for calls like getpwent(3) (somehow).
any ideas?

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Re: How unstable is unstable

1996-10-27 Thread Thomas Baetzler
Joe Emenaker wrote:
 
 I've noticed that all of the upgrades to packages usually go into
 unstable.
 
 What, exactly, does unstable mean? Does it mean that the packages haven't
 been 'frozen' into a new release of Debian? Does it mean that the package
 itself is flaky? or does it mean that the version number of the packages
 that show up there are likely to change often?
 
 In short, how wary should I be about using things in unstable?

Unstable means in flux or changing as opposed to tried and
tested and reliable. Usually the unstable stuff is reliable
and all, but from time to time you may run into a pothole - like
the time when a broken tar was released. And yes, with unstable
you're bound to see frequent updates of packages.

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Re: Errors with Ethernet module installation...

1996-10-27 Thread Chris Walker
Tim Sailer wrote:
 
 In your email to me, Bill Vinson, you wrote:
 
  I just decided to reinstall so I would have the chance to install modules
  to work with the SN2000CT ethernet card.  It says it is 100% NE2000
  Ethernet compatible and when I opted to install the NE2000 module I got the
  following error:
 
nc.c:  module autoprobing not allowed.  Append io=0xNNN value(s).
Initialization of ne failed
 
Installation failed.
 
  What does this mean?  I'm pretty sure the card is set in the 16-bit slot
  firmly.  Did I get a useless ethernet card?  Is there a good way to test if
  it is in fact available?

No, the card probably isn't causing this problem, you need to tell it
where to find the card.

 
 I think 0x320 it the 'standard' spot the ne2k cards live. At the prompt
 for additional command line options (or what ever it is), add
 io=0x320 and see if that works
 

In my /etc/conf.modules I have:
 options ne io=0x340 irq=10
which indicates that my card is at io address 0x340 and irq10. You
probably need to
insert this line into yours as well, or specify it on the command line
when you call
depmod.

You can use the io=0xNNN to get it to autoprobe, apparently, I read this
somewhere when I was trying to do understand modules, but can't give you
a precise reference. It was probably in one of the files in
/usr/doc/modules, the modules howto or /usr/src/linux/Documentation

An alternative is to build the driver into the kernel, when it will
autoprobe and find
out the correct addresses. The kernel prints up this info when it boots
(I think),
enabling you to find out the the io address and irq if you don't know
them.


Sorry I can't point you to an exact reference, but I hope this helps.

Chris,

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Re: shadow passwd?

1996-10-27 Thread Nelson Posse Lago


On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Robert Stone wrote:

   is there a shadow passwd system available for Debian 1.1?

 It's not official, but you can find a debianized version of shadow 
passwords at

ftp://serek.arch.pwr.wroc.pl/pub/shadow

 This is the home of shadow passwords for linux. I haven't tried it 
yet (I'm installing 1.1 now, I added shadows manually to my 0.93R6 
systems).

See ya,
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FAQ: Work-Needing and Prospective Packages

1996-10-27 Thread Sven Rudolph
Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
Sven Rudolph, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$Id: packages.sgml,v 1.28 1996/10/27 23:29:58 sr1 Exp sr1 $

1.  General Questions

1.1.Before reading this document

You should have read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ (
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/FAQ/debian-faq.html ).

1.2.Purpose of this document

This document is intended to identify areas that need your
contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.

1.3.Feedback

Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please mention to which version of
this document your comments refer.

2.  Packages needing a new maintainer

Please inform me via e-mail:
o  when you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package
o  when you believe that the following list is incomplete
o  when you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here.

David Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  binutils
o  gcc
o  libc5, libc6 (potentially a lot of work)
o  libg++
o  libc4, aout-binutils, aout-gcc (stone-age compatibility packages)

Andrew D. Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  acs

DJ Gregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  biff
o  cdtool
o  workbone
o  xwpe

Richard Kettlewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  aout-svgalib
o  svgalib1
o  svgalib1-bin
o  svgalib1-dev

Christian Linhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  statserial
o  tgif
o  xarchie

Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  adjtimex
o  fdutils
o  hkgerman
o  html2latex
o  metamail
o  xautolock

Dale Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  lclint
o  mailx

Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  acm
o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)
o  pmake

Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  seyon

Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  sokoban

Andrew Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  xtron

Alvar Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  groff
o  man

Dominik Kubla [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  amd
o  kbd
o  vlock
o  ssh (ITAR restricted, needs US maintainer)

Stuart Lamble [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  gdb

Doug Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  abuse
o  apsfilter

3.  Packages that someone is working on

Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
responsible person listed below.

Chris Fearnley [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)
o  and probably : xli

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl R. Sackett) :
o  FreeLIP - large integer package
o  LEE - Latent Energy Environments artificial life simulator
o  rsaref - installer scripts for the RSAREF crypto library
o  swarm - Objective-C based artificial life research tool

Mike Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  mule

Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  xbill
o  LPRng

Behan Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)
o  qfax (multi-user e-mail extension to efax).

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
o  tkHTML

Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  giftool
o  canna
o  lx-gdb

Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  glimpsehttpd

Warwick Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
   strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) (
   http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/osf_dce/RFC/rfc86.0.txt )

[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  CLISP

David H. Silber [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.
o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.
o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
   uucp package.
o  latex2html

Hakan Ardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  faces - visual list monitor

Brian Sulcer [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  vile (vi-like editor)
o  rogue
o  umoria

Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11
o  mutt: a new mailreader
   (ftp.infodrom.north.de:/pub/people/joey/debian/beta)

Michael Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.
o  nntplink

Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  spice (circuit simulation package)
o  gforth

Billy Chow [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  xbomb

Alan Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  gpc (GNU Pascal)

Christophe Le Bars [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml
o  doc-linux-fr
o  doc-debian-fr

Yves Arrouye [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  btoa
o  povray

Jon Rabone [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  SISCAD

Christian Lynbech [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  ilisp (emacs interface to a number of lisp systems)
o  hyperbole (emacs hypertext/info management system)
o  oobr (emacs package for browsing OO programs)
o  STk (Scheme Tk, a scheme interpreter with Tk support)

Frederic Lepied [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  calc  (emacs calculator package)

Christian Hudon [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  qmail (waiting for license change)

Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  exim (a mail transfer agent,
   ftp://cus.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programs/exim)

Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o