Re: Bash : quelques petites questions...

2012-05-12 Thread Sébastien MARQUE

Bonjour,

j'arrive un peu tard, mais j'espère pas trop :)

IFSbackup=UFS
IFS=$(echo -ne \n\b)
for monfic in $(ls -1 monrep); do echo ${monfic}; done
IFS=IFSbackup

devrait faire le job, l'IFS étant désormais la fin de ligne (assurée par 
l'option -1 de ls).


Hope this helps.

seb


Le 04/05/2012 17:48, Stephane Ascoet a écrit :

Le vendredi 4 mai 2012 17:42:23, David BERCOT a ecrit :


Et comme résultat, j'ai des retours à la ligne à chaque n ;-) :


Il doit y avoir une erreur dans la syntaxe du IFS. C'est tire d'une astuce de
Denis Bodor dans GNU/LInux Magazine France Hors-Serie 34. Les petites fautes
de ce style sont helas frequentes :-(
Et sinon, il y a une liste speciale pour le scriptage pour eviter de polluer
celle-ci...


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Re: Installeur Wheezy et test de Wheezy avec virtualbox OSE 3.2.10 ?

2012-05-12 Thread Jérôme
Le jeudi 10 mai 2012 à 17:48 +0200, Olivier a écrit :
 Je souhaite tester rapidement si Wheezy améliore une fonction précise.
 
 1. J'ai eu des difficultés pour télé-charger Wheezy.
 J'ai finalement abouti ici
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/i386/iso-cd/
 en voyant que les différents liens depuis
 http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ n'aboutissaient pas
 (forbidden).
 
 Est-ce normal ?
Je ne sais pas quand tu as essayé, mais à priori il y a eu des
changements de serveurs avec plus ou moins de perturbations ( genre
Orange qui a eu des difficulté à se connecter au miroir de Oleane @~@  )

 2. Est-il possible d'installer Wheezy en tant que VM dans virtualbox
 OSE 3.2.10 (la version de Squeeze) ?
Pas testé. En cas de besoin tu peux installer virtualbox 4 depuis les
backports (perso je trouve que la version 4 est plus intéressante).

 Sinon, est-ce possible avec KVM (et sa version officielle dans
 Squeeze) ?
Pas testé non plus. Existe aussi dans les backports.

 Sinon, quelle suggestion (livecd ?) ? 
Pourquoi pas mais c'est plus limité. Il y a aussi liveUsb...

Le freeze de Wheezy est prévu en juin. Après, comme d'habitude, il y
aura le temps de tout debuguer, et quand ce sera prêt...



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Re: Problèmes d'impression sur Minolta (et autres ?)

2012-05-12 Thread Jérôme
Le jeudi 10 mai 2012 à 13:55 +0200, David BERCOT a écrit :
 Ben non, c'est pas sûr !!!
 Un test que je viens de faire à l'instant :
 - impression d'un document Writer - freeze de l'imprimante
 - export du document en pdf et impression à partir de Adobe Reader 9
 -
   aucun souci ! 

Ça sent le rapport de bug, mais pour le document writer, regarde donc
dans le menu fichier exporter au format PDF si différents réglages
pourraient modifier le comportement.

Ça serait intéressant d'essayer de modifier les paramètres, comme
incorporer les polices par exemple.


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Re: Problèmes d'impression sur Minolta (et autres ?)

2012-05-12 Thread O.G.
On 12 mai, 14:30, Jérôme jer...@aranha.fr wrote:
 Le jeudi 10 mai 2012 à 13:55 +0200, David BERCOT a écrit :

  Ben non, c'est pas sûr !!!
  Un test que je viens de faire à l'instant :
  - impression d'un document Writer - freeze de l'imprimante
  - export du document en pdf et impression à partir de Adobe Reader 9
  -
    aucun souci !

 Ça sent le rapport de bug, mais pour le document writer, regarde donc
 dans le menu fichier exporter au format PDF si différents réglages
 pourraient modifier le comportement.

Bonjour

Je suis d'accord avec le rapport de bug. Je suis nouvellement inscrit
sur
la liste (après l'avoir été il y a une dizaine d'années).
Mon Pc fixe est sous Siduction et le portable Semplice (des Sid)
J'ai donné d'autres détails sur sid+cups+KonicaMinolta dans un nouveau
fil (je n'avais pas vu celui-ci).
Depuis plus d'un mois j'ai ce problème et je me débrouille avec
pdftops
ou Acroread. Comme je n'avais pas trop le temps de faire un suivi
je ne me suis pas lancé dans un rapport de bug (à qui et comment).
Il y a un mois une recherche avec Google ne donnait pas grand chose.

Je pense que le pb est plutôt lié à cups-filter, apparu récemment
depuis la
réorganisation de cups. Il y a d'ailleurs un fil sur ubuntu-bug-machin
sur cups-filter et les kyocera (une directive spécifique a été incluse
après un échange de Till Kamppeter et un utilisateur).

Cordialement
Olivier Guibé

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Re: interdire accès SSH

2012-05-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-05-11 17:15:44 +0200, Sébastien NOBILI wrote:
 Le vendredi 11 mai 2012 à 16:26, Vincent Lefevre a écrit :
  Mais il y a des endroits où les ports non standard sont filtrés.
  J'avais dû ainsi utiliser le port 443 (habituellement https), libre
  sur ma machine. Maintenant, les derniers problèmes que j'avais
  remarqués, ça devait être en 2004. La politique des sites a peut-être
  évolué...
 
 Pas sûr que les gens qui ont un jour bloqué le trafic vers un port 22
 l'aient débloqué depuis…

Ça peut être une règle sur une machine ou routeur. Le matériel a
probablement changé en 8 ans, et les règles ont aussi peut-être
changé par la même occasion.

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Re: interdire accès SSH

2012-05-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-05-11 18:05:06 +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
 On Friday 11 May 2012 17:25:06 Samy Mezani wrote:
  le 11/05/2012 17:10, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit:
   Mais du coup je n'arrive plus à me connecter
   avec Konqueror en mode SFTP :
   sftp://mon_serveur
   Comment lui dire d'aller lire un autre port que le 22 ?
 
  Bonjour,
  Et avec sftp://user@serveur:port/chemin/dossier, ça marche ?
  Samy
 ---
 
 Merci pour vos bonnes réponses et tuyaux,
 ça marche très bien + sftp.

L'autre solution est de passer via un .ssh/config, comme je l'ai
indiqué. Évidemment, c'est à faire sur tous les clients.

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Re: Entorno Gráfico en Debian Netinstall

2012-05-12 Thread BasaBuru
On Jueves, 10 de mayo de 2012 19:15:37 Jawifi escribió:
 Buenas tardes, estoy tratando de armar un Debian Personalizado para
 poder replicar la instalación en varios equipos.
 
 Necesito consejos sobre el Entorno Gráfico a usar y el Gestor de Ventanas.
 
 Lo que me gustaría es usar algo liviano, tengo la duda con respecto a
 usar Openbox, fluxbox, o cual me recomiendan y luego que escritorio
 ponerle encima, XFCE, LXDE o cual.
 
 Luego le agregaré algunas aplicaciones básicas y despues si, la idea es
 instalarlo en tres escuelas con las que colaboro (tengo donadas 11 pcs
 en esas escuelas y quiero unificarlas)
 
 Agradeceré sus comentarios
 
 Juan

Si la instalacion es desde cero con un netinstall te lo instala en directo. 
Seleccionas opciones avanzadas y luego entorno grafico y xfce. No tienes que 
hacer nada mas.

El netinstall te da la opción de instalar cuatro escritorios distintos al por 
defecto que es gnome.

xfce es una muy buena opción en máquinas pequeñas, es completo y se puede 
personalizar mucho.


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Re: GRUB y update-intramfs no reconocen particiones

2012-05-12 Thread BasaBuru
On Jueves, 10 de mayo de 2012 08:03:29 Julian Daich escribió:
 Hola,
 
 Después de la última actualización del núcleo en Squeeze ni GRUB ni
 update-intramfs reconocen la partición raíz.
 Me sale
 GRUB
 FATAL: module index: unexpected error: EOF
 
 He montado mi sistema con chroot usando un CD de Xubuntu y me da los
 siguiente
 
 #update-intramfs -u
 Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
 cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of
 'UUID=239fa89b-5e9d-41ae-9c27-2b7339adf38e'
 
 Verifiqué los UUIDs, los cambié por los correspondientes /dev/sda*, ejecuté
 e2fsck -fD, convertí las particiones de ext3 a ext4 y nada sirvió.
 
 Cualquier ayuda se agradece.
 

Prueba con rescatux instala el grub de nuevo y hazle un update. rescatetux es 
un livecd

http://www.supergrubdisk.org/rescatux/

Tienes unos cuantos video tutoriales sobre como funciona

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Re: Servidor de Difusion Audio + Video (No via web)

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 11 May 2012 21:58:13 -0400, Armando Felipe Fuentes Denis escribió:

Has secuestrado un hilo. Abro uno nuevo.

 Hola a todos, tengo una duda y es la siguiente, quiero montar un
 servidor de difusion tanto audio como video y que no se via web es decir
 que exporte por nu protocolo que cualquier reproductor lo vea como hace
 en Windows por mms
 
 alguien me puede dar una pequena luz de como hacerlo para investigar

Aquí tienes un listado de protocolos disponibles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_media#Protocol_issues

Y aquí un listado de servidores de streaming:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_streaming_media_systems#Servers

Yo me decantaría por el uso de un protocolo abierto y estándar por lo que 
RTSP parece una buena idea. Servidores que lo admitan, pues como indica 
el artículo de Wikipedia: VideoLAN, FFmpeg, Gstreamer, Feng...

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Snorby (era: unknown)

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 11 May 2012 16:05:52 -0400, Pablo Zuñiga escribió:

 Estimados,

Con ese asunto pocos estimados vas a captar :-)

 Estoy implementando un IDS con snort para pruebas y habia pensando en un
 dashboard como snorby pero queria saber si algunos de ustedes usa otro y
 si tiene algun manual de como instalarlo en squeeze ya que como los
 paquetes los estoy compilando en los manuales que tengo hay rutas que no
 satisfacen las descargas.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=snorby+debian

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Re: Spanglish [Era: totalmente nueva]

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 12 May 2012 00:26:50 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió:

 Pregunta, ya que sacaste el tema, y solo por curiosidad... ¿cómo dices
 hardware en Español?
 http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3LEMA=hardware

Como sugiere la propia RAE:

hardware.
(Voz inglesa).
1. m. Inform. equipo (‖ conjunto de aparatos de una computadora).

O el Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas:

hardware. Voz inglesa que se usa, en informática, para designar el 
conjunto de los componentes que integran la parte material de una 
computadora u ordenador. Puede sustituirse por expresiones españolas como 
equipo (informático), componentes o, en contextos muy especializados, 
soporte físico (en oposición al soporte lógico, que son los programas): 
«Si su ordenador es un 486 o inferior [...], es mejor cambiar entero el 
equipo» (Mundo [Esp.] 29.6.97).

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Re: libro debian debian system concepts and techniques

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
El día 11 de mayo de 2012 18:40, Ricardo Mendoza pgsql...@gmail.com 
escribió:

Ricardo, que tú no eres nuevo. Tienes que responder a la lista no a mí.

 Umm siento que esto no es una respuesta...

Pues hijo, no sé qué respuesta esperas (!). Yo no soy el autor del libro, 
tendrás que fiarte de lo que diga él.

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Re: Spanglish [Era: totalmente nueva]

2012-05-12 Thread Emiliano M. Rudenick
El Sat, 12 May 2012 00:26:50 -0500
Carlos Zuniga carlos@gmail.com escribió:
 2012/5/11 JAP javier.debian.bb...@gmail.com:
  El jue, 10-05-2012 a las 12:26 -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia
  escribió:
  Mejor sin top posting :-)
 
  Muchas veces me he realizado una misma pregunta. Porque de estas
  respuestas en la lista. Acaso no estamos en una lista en español?
  Pienso que deberian decir:
  Better no writing top
  o
  No responder encima
  Saludos
  =
  || ISMAEL ||
  =
 
  Ismael ha hecho un gol de media cancha.
  No tengo ganas de empezar una llamarada (flame) con el tema del
  lenguaje, porque podemos llegar a terminar discutiendo si la lista
  es en español o es en castellano.
  Que uso la palabra castellano sin querer ser un
  monstruo (troll), y hacer que esto termine en una pelea entre
  vascos, gallegos, catalanes y madrileños, que aún viviendo en el
  mismo suelo se llevan peor que argentinos y uruguayos cuando la
  pelota corre en el medio de la cancha. Pero como he dicho, Ismael
  ha dado en el clavo. ¿Por qué esa costumbre de hablar spanglish?
  Hace mucho tiempo, tuve un profesor de Sistemas
  inteligentes (heurística y esas cosillas), brillante él, que colgó
  un cartel en el aula: Sea original, hable castellano.
  Y no vayas a poner en un examen palabrejas como hardware o
  software, pues te las tenías que ver con San Judas Tadeo para
  aprobar. Ni hablar de animaladas del calibre de backapear...
  Para morigerar el colonialismo lingüístico, me comprometo a mí
  mismo no usar más palabras en idiomas foráneos en este foro.
 
 
 Pregunta, ya que sacaste el tema, y solo por curiosidad... ¿cómo dices
 hardware en Español?
 http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3LEMA=hardware
 
 

Claro, el problema es que ya ciertos términos se inventaron en tal
idioma y hay que respetarlos, ya que no existe una traducción correcta
a otro idioma, y el error reside en querer traducirlos y no tienen una
traducción precisa. Por ejemplo, hardware y software son unos pocos
de ellos, ya que la informática no nació en lugares donde el idioma
predominante sea el español. Creo que a veces tienen que terminar con
tratar de traducir todo y respetar los nombres originales, si yo me
llamo Robert me llamo Robert y no Roberto. Los libros técnicos
traducidos al español son realmente un dolor de muela y otras cosas,
muy complicado de digerirlos, traducen todo al extremo de que terminan
siendo poco claros e imprecisos, no queda otra que agarrar el libro
original en ingles.

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Re: Spanglish [Era: totalmente nueva]

2012-05-12 Thread Emiliano M. Rudenick
El Sat, 12 May 2012 10:00:15 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Sat, 12 May 2012 00:26:50 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió:
 
  Pregunta, ya que sacaste el tema, y solo por curiosidad... ¿cómo
  dices hardware en Español?
  http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3LEMA=hardware
 
 Como sugiere la propia RAE:
 
 hardware.
 (Voz inglesa).
 1. m. Inform. equipo (‖ conjunto de aparatos de una computadora).
 
 O el Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas:
 
 hardware. Voz inglesa que se usa, en informática, para designar el 
 conjunto de los componentes que integran la parte material de una 
 computadora u ordenador. Puede sustituirse por expresiones españolas
 como equipo (informático), componentes o, en contextos muy
 especializados, soporte físico (en oposición al soporte lógico, que
 son los programas): «Si su ordenador es un 486 o inferior [...], es
 mejor cambiar entero el equipo» (Mundo [Esp.] 29.6.97).
 
 Saludos,
 

equipo es muy impreciso, me quedo con hardware y creo que todo el
mundo sabe a lo que me estoy refiriendo. Si le digo equipo
seguramente ni el que habla español me va entender, salvo que se ponga
a analizar el contexto.

Saludos!


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Re: Spanglish [Era: totalmente nueva]

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 12 May 2012 13:59:49 -0300, Emiliano M. Rudenick escribió:

 El Sat, 12 May 2012 10:00:15 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 El Sat, 12 May 2012 00:26:50 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió:
 
  Pregunta, ya que sacaste el tema, y solo por curiosidad... ¿cómo
  dices hardware en Español?
  http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3LEMA=hardware
 
 Como sugiere la propia RAE:
 
 hardware.
 (Voz inglesa).
 1. m. Inform. equipo (‖ conjunto de aparatos de una computadora).
 
 O el Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas:
 
 hardware. Voz inglesa que se usa, en informática, para designar el
 conjunto de los componentes que integran la parte material de una
 computadora u ordenador. Puede sustituirse por expresiones españolas
 como equipo (informático), componentes o, en contextos muy
 especializados, soporte físico (en oposición al soporte lógico, que son
 los programas): «Si su ordenador es un 486 o inferior [...], es mejor
 cambiar entero el equipo» (Mundo [Esp.] 29.6.97).
 
 equipo es muy impreciso, me quedo con hardware y creo que todo el
 mundo sabe a lo que me estoy refiriendo. Si le digo equipo seguramente
 ni el que habla español me va entender, salvo que se ponga a analizar el
 contexto.

Los traductores no podemos elegir :-), tenemos que mantener unas normas 
básicas para dar coherencia al conjunto de los mensajes que aparecen en 
las aplicaciones y además tenemos que mantener un español neutro 
(evitamos el uso de ordenador y computador, por ejemplo, en favor de 
equipo).

Personalmente intento evitar el uso de anglicismos siempre que puedo y 
hardware es uno de los términos que, dependiendo de dónde aparezcan y 
debido a su naturaleza generalista, resulta fácilmente sustituible 
(componente o dispositivo por ejemplo, son buenos candidatos cuando 
se trata de una traducción relacionada con un contexto informático).

En cambio, otros términos (como p. ej., bluetooth o Internet) 
resultan prácticamente intraducibles, son casi como nombres propios y se 
mantiene su acepción inglesa :-)

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Re: Emparejar dispositivos bluetooth

2012-05-12 Thread J. OCTAVIO Avalos
El día 11 de mayo de 2012 16:02, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:23 +0200, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió:

 El día 10 de mayo de 2012 19:47, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Thu, 10 May 2012 19:16:23 +0200, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió:

 Pues según esto debería funcionar:

 http://refit.sourceforge.net/help/bluetooth-keyboard.html

 El problema es que Apple no soporta oficialmente Linux en su BootCamp
 :-/

 ¿Será que yo no utilicé el Boot Camp para hacer la partición e
 instalar linux? En el iMac anterior si lo había hecho, pero en este
 leí por ahí que solo era compatible con win 7. Al menos yo no le dí
 importancia porque la instalación de Debian fue como la seda. Como si
 la hubiese hecho en un PC. La hice con netinst

 Pues no lo sé :-?

 A ver si alguien que tenga un Mac de los modernicos con dual-boot te
 puede dar alguna idea de por dónde tirar.

 ¿Has mirado las opciones en la BIOS/rEFIT o lo que tenga el mac?

 Si, pero no he encontrado nada que pueda parecerse al link keys de
 windows.

 ¿Qué es el link keys? :-?

 A ver, en la BIOS-rEFIT lo que tienes que buscar es la configuración del
 controlador BT, y aquí no entra para nada el software, ni de windows ni
 de linux. La BIOS es tierra de nadie. Se trataría de configurar el
 controlador en un modo más normal (aka, normalizado) que el que pueda
 estar usando Apple de manera predeterminada.

 Lo que te comento sería similar a lo que permiten las controladoras de
 disco SATA que admiten varios modos (SATA, AHCI, RAID) y según el que
 selecciones, linux te carga un módulo del kernel u otro (libata, ahci,
 md, respectivamente).

 En el enlace que puse antes explica como hacer un arranque dual windows
 - linux con teclado y ratón inalambricos introduciendo la key del
 servicio bluetooth de windows en /var/lib/bluetooth/keybluetoothlinux
/linkeys

 Ah, ya, lo que explica el artículo (Bluetooth link keys on dual-boot
 systems). Pero oye ¿no me digas que en windows tampoco funciona el
 dichoso combo de teclado/ratón sin tener que hacer malabares? Porque eso
 sería ya el acabóse :-)

 Por el resto rEFIT ya lo dice claro. Estos no se mojan:

 If you have problems with the wireless keyboard, there is nothing rEFIt
 can do about it. Use a USB keyboard or a built-in keyboard instead. See
 also Apple’s System requirements for Microsoft Windows support document.

 Es que no pueden hacer más :-/

 En Mac para emparejar el teclado hay que introducir una clave de 8
 dígitos mientras que en linux es de 6. Aunque esto nada tiene que ver
 porque he utilizado el pin de mac en linux y funcionaba, pero que dejaba
 de hacerlo tan pronto como reiniciaba el equipo.

 El servicio está activo en el grub2, el teclado funciona pero deja de
 hacerlo en gdm3, es decir cuando carga el demonio bluetooth. En este
 paso habría que introducir una orden para que cargara el bluetooth con
 determinada configuración, a lo mejor en etc/modules No se ...

 Si el problema no lo tienes en linux, lo tienes antes, ya que ni
 siquiera te funciona el teclado para seleccionar el sistema operativo a
 cargar ;-(

 Si tienes un ordenador secundario, podrías conectarte mediante ssh y
 probar a reiniciar el demonio de bluetooth para ver si así el teclado y
 ratón de Apple volvían a la vida. O también puedes conectar un teclado/
 ratón USB y probarlo, a ver qué sucede. Si funciona, pues ya veríamos
 alguna forma de recargar el demonio del BT al inciar.

 Saludos,

¿En el arranque de linux se puede poner esta orden: hidd --connect
28:37:37:32:C0:9D?, con esta order se me activa el teclado al
instante. Así probaría si esta operativo para la elección de SO.

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Re: Servidor de Difusion Audio + Video (No via web)

2012-05-12 Thread Juan Lavieri

El 12/05/12 05:21, Camaleón escribió:

El Fri, 11 May 2012 21:58:13 -0400, Armando Felipe Fuentes Denis escribió:

Has secuestrado un hilo. Abro uno nuevo.


Lo que deberías abrirle es la cabeza a ver si de una vez le entra en 
ella la idea de que debe seguir las normas.


Por lo visto, o es mas cerrado que un bombillo, o es tremendo vago falta 
de respeto.






Hola a todos, tengo una duda y es la siguiente, quiero montar un
servidor de difusion tanto audio como video y que no se via web es decir
que exporte por nu protocolo que cualquier reproductor lo vea como hace
en Windows por mms

alguien me puede dar una pequena luz de como hacerlo para investigar


Aquí tienes un listado de protocolos disponibles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_media#Protocol_issues

Y aquí un listado de servidores de streaming:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_streaming_media_systems#Servers

Yo me decantaría por el uso de un protocolo abierto y estándar por lo que
RTSP parece una buena idea. Servidores que lo admitan, pues como indica
el artículo de Wikipedia: VideoLAN, FFmpeg, Gstreamer, Feng...

Saludos,




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Re: Spanglish [Era: totalmente nueva]

2012-05-12 Thread yordanis

El 12/05/12 13:31, Camaleón escribió:

El Sat, 12 May 2012 13:59:49 -0300, Emiliano M. Rudenick escribió:


El Sat, 12 May 2012 10:00:15 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
escribió:

El Sat, 12 May 2012 00:26:50 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió:


Pregunta, ya que sacaste el tema, y solo por curiosidad... ¿cómo
dices hardware en Español?
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3LEMA=hardware


Como sugiere la propia RAE:

hardware.
(Voz inglesa).
1. m. Inform. equipo (‖ conjunto de aparatos de una computadora).

O el Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas:

hardware. Voz inglesa que se usa, en informática, para designar el
conjunto de los componentes que integran la parte material de una
computadora u ordenador. Puede sustituirse por expresiones españolas
como equipo (informático), componentes o, en contextos muy
especializados, soporte físico (en oposición al soporte lógico, que son
los programas): «Si su ordenador es un 486 o inferior [...], es mejor
cambiar entero el equipo» (Mundo [Esp.] 29.6.97).


equipo es muy impreciso, me quedo con hardware y creo que todo el
mundo sabe a lo que me estoy refiriendo. Si le digo equipo seguramente
ni el que habla español me va entender, salvo que se ponga a analizar el
contexto.


Los traductores no podemos elegir :-), tenemos que mantener unas normas
básicas para dar coherencia al conjunto de los mensajes que aparecen en
las aplicaciones y además tenemos que mantener un español neutro
(evitamos el uso de ordenador y computador, por ejemplo, en favor de
equipo).

Personalmente intento evitar el uso de anglicismos siempre que puedo y
hardware es uno de los términos que, dependiendo de dónde aparezcan y
debido a su naturaleza generalista, resulta fácilmente sustituible
(componente o dispositivo por ejemplo, son buenos candidatos cuando
se trata de una traducción relacionada con un contexto informático).

En cambio, otros términos (como p. ej., bluetooth o Internet)
resultan prácticamente intraducibles, son casi como nombres propios y se
mantiene su acepción inglesa :-)

Saludos,


Todas esas palabras reciben el nombre de anglicismos en el idioma español.

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Re: Spanglish [Era: totalmente nueva]

2012-05-12 Thread Juan Lavieri

El 12/05/12 12:26, Emiliano M. Rudenick escribió:

El Sat, 12 May 2012 00:26:50 -0500
Carlos Zunigacarlos@gmail.com  escribió:

2012/5/11 JAPjavier.debian.bb...@gmail.com:

El jue, 10-05-2012 a las 12:26 -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia
escribió:

Mejor sin top posting :-)

Muchas veces me he realizado una misma pregunta. Porque de estas
respuestas en la lista. Acaso no estamos en una lista en español?
Pienso que deberian decir:
Better no writing top
o
No responder encima
Saludos
=
|| ISMAEL ||
=

Ismael ha hecho un gol de media cancha.
No tengo ganas de empezar una llamarada (flame) con el tema del
lenguaje, porque podemos llegar a terminar discutiendo si la lista
es en español o es en castellano.
Que uso la palabra castellano sin querer ser un
monstruo (troll), y hacer que esto termine en una pelea entre
vascos, gallegos, catalanes y madrileños, que aún viviendo en el
mismo suelo se llevan peor que argentinos y uruguayos cuando la
pelota corre en el medio de la cancha. Pero como he dicho, Ismael
ha dado en el clavo. ¿Por qué esa costumbre de hablar spanglish?
Hace mucho tiempo, tuve un profesor de Sistemas
inteligentes (heurística y esas cosillas), brillante él, que colgó
un cartel en el aula: Sea original, hable castellano.
Y no vayas a poner en un examen palabrejas como hardware o
software, pues te las tenías que ver con San Judas Tadeo para
aprobar. Ni hablar de animaladas del calibre de backapear...
Para morigerar el colonialismo lingüístico, me comprometo a mí
mismo no usar más palabras en idiomas foráneos en este foro.


Pregunta, ya que sacaste el tema, y solo por curiosidad... ¿cómo dices
hardware en Español?
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3LEMA=hardware



Claro, el problema es que ya ciertos términos se inventaron en tal
idioma y hay que respetarlos, ya que no existe una traducción correcta
a otro idioma, y el error reside en querer traducirlos y no tienen una
traducción precisa. Por ejemplo, hardware y software son unos pocos
de ellos, ya que la informática no nació en lugares donde el idioma
predominante sea el español. Creo que a veces tienen que terminar con
tratar de traducir todo y respetar los nombres originales, si yo me
llamo Robert me llamo Robert y no Roberto. Los libros técnicos
traducidos al español son realmente un dolor de muela y otras cosas,
muy complicado de digerirlos, traducen todo al extremo de que terminan
siendo poco claros e imprecisos, no queda otra que agarrar el libro
original en ingles.

Saludos!




Además de todo lo que se ha dicho, debemos aprender de los médicos.  
Nadie les critica que hablen en griegoñol o como quiera que se diga, 
pero su jerga les permite dar la apariencia de que saben mucho, nos 
insultan y no nos enteramos, además nos intimidan con ese lenguaje y nos 
vamos calladitos para luego buscar en internet que fue lo que nos dijeron.


Así que cuando le digamos a un cliente que le vamos a buildear un kernel 
para que sus cores trabajen dentro de un frame adecuado, el cliente 
simplemente deberá entender que nos tendrá que pagar mas.  Sobretodo si 
el cliente es un médico (hay que vengarse).


Saludos.



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Re: Spanglish [Era: totalmente nueva]

2012-05-12 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
El sáb, 12-05-2012 a las 15:24 -0430, Juan Lavieri escribió: 
 El 12/05/12 12:26, Emiliano M. Rudenick escribió:
  El Sat, 12 May 2012 00:26:50 -0500
  Carlos Zunigacarlos@gmail.com  escribió:
  2012/5/11 JAPjavier.debian.bb...@gmail.com:
  El jue, 10-05-2012 a las 12:26 -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia
  escribió:
  Mejor sin top posting :-)
  Muchas veces me he realizado una misma pregunta. Porque de estas
  respuestas en la lista. Acaso no estamos en una lista en español?
  Pienso que deberian decir:
  Better no writing top
  o
  No responder encima
  Saludos
  =
  || ISMAEL ||
  =
  Ismael ha hecho un gol de media cancha.
  No tengo ganas de empezar una llamarada (flame) con el tema del
  lenguaje, porque podemos llegar a terminar discutiendo si la lista
  es en español o es en castellano.
  Que uso la palabra castellano sin querer ser un
  monstruo (troll), y hacer que esto termine en una pelea entre
  vascos, gallegos, catalanes y madrileños, que aún viviendo en el
  mismo suelo se llevan peor que argentinos y uruguayos cuando la
  pelota corre en el medio de la cancha. Pero como he dicho, Ismael
  ha dado en el clavo. ¿Por qué esa costumbre de hablar spanglish?
  Hace mucho tiempo, tuve un profesor de Sistemas
  inteligentes (heurística y esas cosillas), brillante él, que colgó
  un cartel en el aula: Sea original, hable castellano.
  Y no vayas a poner en un examen palabrejas como hardware o
  software, pues te las tenías que ver con San Judas Tadeo para
  aprobar. Ni hablar de animaladas del calibre de backapear...
  Para morigerar el colonialismo lingüístico, me comprometo a mí
  mismo no usar más palabras en idiomas foráneos en este foro.
 
  Pregunta, ya que sacaste el tema, y solo por curiosidad... ¿cómo dices
  hardware en Español?
  http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3LEMA=hardware
 
 
  Claro, el problema es que ya ciertos términos se inventaron en tal
  idioma y hay que respetarlos, ya que no existe una traducción correcta
  a otro idioma, y el error reside en querer traducirlos y no tienen una
  traducción precisa. Por ejemplo, hardware y software son unos pocos
  de ellos, ya que la informática no nació en lugares donde el idioma
  predominante sea el español. Creo que a veces tienen que terminar con
  tratar de traducir todo y respetar los nombres originales, si yo me
  llamo Robert me llamo Robert y no Roberto. Los libros técnicos
  traducidos al español son realmente un dolor de muela y otras cosas,
  muy complicado de digerirlos, traducen todo al extremo de que terminan
  siendo poco claros e imprecisos, no queda otra que agarrar el libro
  original en ingles.
 
  Saludos!
 
 
 
 Además de todo lo que se ha dicho, debemos aprender de los médicos.  
 Nadie les critica que hablen en griegoñol o como quiera que se diga, 
 pero su jerga les permite dar la apariencia de que saben mucho, nos 
 insultan y no nos enteramos, además nos intimidan con ese lenguaje y nos 
 vamos calladitos para luego buscar en internet que fue lo que nos dijeron.
 
 Así que cuando le digamos a un cliente que le vamos a buildear un kernel 
 para que sus cores trabajen dentro de un frame adecuado, el cliente 
 simplemente deberá entender que nos tendrá que pagar mas.  Sobretodo si 
 el cliente es un médico (hay que vengarse).
 

una vez tuve que hacer la inversa (traducir informático-humano), y
recurrí a una analogía muy buena de un amigo:
«lo que pasa es que tenés poca presión de internet, por eso no transmite
ráṕido»



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Re: Spanglish [Era: totalmente nueva]

2012-05-12 Thread Javier Argentina
El 12/05/12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Sat, 12 May 2012 13:59:49 -0300, Emiliano M. Rudenick escribió:

 El Sat, 12 May 2012 10:00:15 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 El Sat, 12 May 2012 00:26:50 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió:

  Pregunta, ya que sacaste el tema, y solo por curiosidad... ¿cómo
  dices hardware en Español?
  http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3LEMA=hardware

 Como sugiere la propia RAE:

 hardware.
 (Voz inglesa).
 1. m. Inform. equipo (‖ conjunto de aparatos de una computadora).

 O el Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas:

 hardware. Voz inglesa que se usa, en informática, para designar el
 conjunto de los componentes que integran la parte material de una
 computadora u ordenador. Puede sustituirse por expresiones españolas
 como equipo (informático), componentes o, en contextos muy
 especializados, soporte físico (en oposición al soporte lógico, que son
 los programas): «Si su ordenador es un 486 o inferior [...], es mejor
 cambiar entero el equipo» (Mundo [Esp.] 29.6.97).

 equipo es muy impreciso, me quedo con hardware y creo que todo el
 mundo sabe a lo que me estoy refiriendo. Si le digo equipo seguramente
 ni el que habla español me va entender, salvo que se ponga a analizar el
 contexto.

 Los traductores no podemos elegir :-), tenemos que mantener unas normas
 básicas para dar coherencia al conjunto de los mensajes que aparecen en
 las aplicaciones y Pronunciation: /ˈhärdˌwe(ə)r/
noun

tools, machinery, and other durable equipment: tanks and other
military hardware
the machines, wiring, and other physical components of a computer
or other electronic system. Compare with software.
tools, implements, and other items used in home life and
activities such as gardening. además tenemos que mantener un español
neutro
 (evitamos el uso de ordenador y computador, por ejemplo, en favor de
 equipo).

 Personalmente intento evitar el uso de anglicismos siempre que puedo y
 hardware es uno de los términos que, dependiendo de dónde aparezcan y
 debido a su naturaleza generalista, resulta fácilmente sustituible
 (componente o dispositivo por ejemplo, son buenos candidatos cuando
 se trata de una traPronunciation: /ˈhärdˌwe(ə)r/
noun

tools, machinery, and other durable equipment: tanks and other
military hardware
the machines, wiring, and other physical components of a computer
or other electronic system. Compare with software.
tools, implements, and other items used in home life and
activities such as gardening. ducción relacionada con un contexto
informático).

 En cambio, otros términos (como p. ej., bluetooth o Internet)
 resultan prácticamente intraducibles, son casi como nombres propios y se
 mantiene su acepción inglesa :-)

 Saludos,

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Pronunciation: /ˈhärdˌwe(ə)r/
noun
tools, machinery, and other durable equipment: tanks and other
military hardware
the machines, wiring, and other physical components of a computer
or other electronic system. Compare with software.
tools, implements, and other items used in home life and
activities such as gardening.

Como se ve, hardware no define específicamente un equipo de
cómputos, digamos que es pura y simplemente eso, equipo.

Y software es típico de un idioma tan pobre como el inglés, donde
las palabras salen por analogías que sólo ellos las entienden (soft
en contraposición de hard), y no de una etimología como la nuestra
que es bastante más coherente.
Por software prefiero toda la vida usar la palabra programas.

Reconozco que hay algunas palabras difícil de traducir. bit =
mordisquito y byate = mordiscón, y que deben quedarse como están,
como ya pasó con la Luz Amplificada por Emisión Estimulada de
Radiación, o de otro modo, laser.

Pero eso de usar bacapear, escanear, formatear o cosas por el
estilo, realmente, dividen las aguas entre una choni y un ser humano
normal.

JAP


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Re: GRUB y update-intramfs no reconocen particiones

2012-05-12 Thread Javier Argentina
El 10/05/12, Julian Daich julia...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola,

 Después de la última actualización del núcleo en Squeeze ni GRUB ni
 update-intramfs reconocen la partición raíz.
 Me sale
 GRUB
 FATAL: module index: unexpected error: EOF

 He montado mi sistema con chroot usando un CD de Xubuntu y me da los
 siguiente

 #update-intramfs -u
 Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
 cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of
 'UUID=239fa89b-5e9d-41ae-9c27-2b7339adf38e'

 Verifiqué los UUIDs, los cambié por los correspondientes /dev/sda*, ejecuté
 e2fsck -fD, convertí las particiones de ext3 a ext4 y nada sirvió.

 Cualquier ayuda se agradece.

 Saludos,

 Julián

 ¿No habrás convertido las particiones a ext4 sin antes haber pasado
de grub a grub-pc?

JAP


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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Jari Fredriksson
On 12.5.2012 2:45, Jochen Spieker wrote:
 My main reason for signing public e-mails is to invite people to encrypt
 their e-mails to me. Signing is the easiest way to express that I (know
 how to) use PGP/GPG and that I prefer encrypted communication. In my
 opinion, the question is not why we should encrypt our communication,
 but why we should /not/.
 
 Of course, that is just an invitation which I think should be as
 unobtrusive as possible. PGP/MIME is the best way to do that.

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Re: mounting local filesystem ..... FAILED

2012-05-12 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
is there anyone can help plz?


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Re: mounting local filesystem ..... FAILED

2012-05-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 12/05/12 02:18, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
 i am running debian 6.0.4
 
 i am getting this error on boot   mounting local filesystem failed.
 however things are working fine like squid is working in firewall mode
 etc.. even i can see the same directory structure but df-h showing
 some thing like this
 
 filesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on

snipped


What you've posted there looks OK...
What error message did you receive about mounting local filesystem failed?


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Re: a balance: hi speed internet vs. remoteness

2012-05-12 Thread Sam
also could use bluetooth and a 4+ lens telescope, or perhaps a series of
wireless relays to an actual internet connection, including powerful
extended antennaes from power supps too, just make an incision upon
research done, where the tiny antennae is, then add,

since it does fluctuate like ac current

and a line shape is the most intuiteive, and works,

then it comes off the line in a ring
and then a chain of light rings forms into the beam, and expands into the
light, fluctuating in color as per visible light at watts of bright,
shifted to the right in color (mostly also to the other)

therefore between the sender and receiver, perhaps uipon 'xray' bulb if you
have a wall of meat between you it's not a big deal, but a wall of metal
paper perhaps


lol metal paper is strong ?
foil is paper , paper is thick


they don't appreate you ,
and are the atheists that to you are actually something else entirely
philistines

http://aersixb9x.wordpress.com
fuel and air in the gun
already is true
and now lasers of chains? what more is there fore you tooo


Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 08:59 +0300, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
 the question is not why we should encrypt our communication,
 but why we should /not/

I encrypt some of my communication by openPGP too. No doubt about it,
there are valid reasons to encrypt some emails. But signing emails to an
open mailing list to make people aware that you know how to encrypt
mails IMO is improper. And btw. the question still is Why should we
encrypt communication? and not Why shouldn't we encrypt
communication?. I hope PGP fetishists are aware about other security
issues, such as the possibility to read a tube monitor by using an
antenna, from a neighboring house. I won't make all security gaps
public. Cracking encryption takes 20 years with a super computer. The
most common gap is to keep the personal key on the computer, since
cracking the passphrase does take some minutes. Btw. I keep the personal
key on my computer. For me PGP is just a way to ensure a low level
security. PGP becomes useful for anonymous mailing etc.,when several
servers are involved, but it's less secure for private mails.

My mailer is able to display HTML, should I format in HTML to make
people aware, that I'm able to read HTML formated text?

For those using a 56k modem traffic might be important. I don't think
that storage of emails is an issue for anybody.

It might be more considerate to quit signing by default.

Conspiracy regards,
Ralf

PS: A poster from a German high-rise bunker: Feind hört mit denk immer
dran, vertrau nicht blind dem Nebenmann I try to translate: The enemy
is always listening, don't trust the person beside you
We should create a world of trust, instead of hanging on conspiracy
theories.


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Re: mounting local filesystem ..... FAILED

2012-05-12 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan

 What you've posted there looks OK...
 What error message did you receive about mounting local filesystem failed?



shared output is way much different then normally when i give the df
-h command it gives me output like this

/dev/sda3 289G  774M  274G   1% /
tmpfs 500M 0  500M   0% /lib/init/rw
udev  496M  236K  496M   1% /dev
tmpfs 500M 0  500M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1 1.1G   48M  932M   5% /boot
/dev/md1  459G   33G  403G   8% /nas/backup
/dev/md2  459G  198M  435G   1% /nas/projects
/dev/md3  459G  985M  435G   1% /nas/office
/dev/md4  459G  198M  436G   1% /nas/users

this is the whole message that i get at boot mounting local
filesystem failed (in red color)

so i thought that some thing is went wrong. secondly i never saw a
UUID in df -h  command so combining the new output of the df command
and the error at start up i thought some thing more worst is about to
unveil.



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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Slavko
Hi,

Dňa Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:25 +1000 Scott Ferguson
scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com napísal:

 Paraphrase yes. Useful analogy I don't believe so.

from your point of view... But from my point it is analogy.

 A better analogy would be:-
 Is the post reduced in value if Tony's was name was not added to the
 sender field?

the same as above. At first i want to remove my name from this post, but
i see, that i am very lazy ;-)

My english is poor, then it is terrible to write long answers for me. I
hope, that i will write it in proper manner...

For me the name in sender has no value. For one good reason - i never meet
anybody from this list, then i cannot create association with name and
person, and then i mostly don't read the name at all.

But, consider, that i will read this list for long time. After some time i
will see that some senders posts here good solutions and another not. I am
sure, that you know it: some people know what they are writing, and others
are writing what they know... When i will want distinguish these senders i
will read the names and then you will right. 

But now about principle - anybody on the word can add Slavko as
name in sender header. Many people can add the whole line (Slavko
linux(blee)slavino.sk) as sender (i want no discuss here why, who and
when). As you can see, the sender header of the many people can be
identical with my sender header. Then when i will depend on sender only, i
can get false positives and then the real value of this field is nearer
zero for me. Yes, here exists many people for which it is enough and many
people, which do not know about unreliability of this header. And many
others simply trust...

Consider the same with PGP signature. Can anybody on the word sign his
name and address? Yes, they can. Can anybody sign for my name and email?
Yes, they can. But will be the signature of the anybody identical with my?
No, the digital signatures will not be identical (again, i want no discuss
here about key cracking etc. - i am not cryptology expert). Then i am able
to identify mail's sender, and then this signature has value for me.

I still cannot create association between mail sender and person, but this
is about web of trust and this was discussed before by another senders.

I will go back to start now. Consider that i have reason to distinguish
the senders. For some people is enough to see sender mail, for another is
enough to see name in sender, and for another else are both (name and
email) needed. But still here are some people, for which, the more
reliability is needed.

The included digital signature is for these, which are seeking it and
others can ignore it. It is not about his ego-trip, it is about
providing option to receivers. And this ego-trip was goal of my
paraphrasing.

This is my point of view.

 People have a perfect right to object to signatures - even non-PGP ones.
 Just as people have a perfect right to use signatures, provided they
 comply with the rules of conduct... if people don't want to download the
 signature (or it's embedded pictures) it's their call, just as it's the
 call of those who want to bully their signatures onto others.
 
 I object to inline signatures - but I won't filter out the posts just
 because of the signatures and I'd hope that most people are the same.

One example from my live: I am using Linux at home, Windows at work and i
have some Android tablet too.

* On linux here is not problem to find solution and as you see, my
  signature is PGP/MIME.
* It was a lot of searching for me to get MUA for   Windows with GPG
  support (early mentioned Thunderbird and Enigmail) and i see no others
  equivalents exists (or only very old or commercial).
* Some time was needed for searching the same for my Android and here i
  found only one, but it supports only inline PGP, then i have problem
  with mails with GPG/Mime

A lot of my friends uses GPG/Inline for me now, because they know about my
Android GPG problem. And analogically, if i will respond here from my
Android, my mail will be signed by GPG/Inline - will be i the ignorant?

My conclusion:

In freedom world i am respecting sender's option to don't fill his name, i
will respect his option to fill his name too. I will respect the Micky
Maus as name too. I will respect mail sender's option about don't
including digital signature, as well as including it in any manners. Why?
Because these all are sender's freedom options. I have freedom too. I can
filter unwanted messages (yes, i know, filter by unreliable sender
header), or go out from mail list. Or, more simply, i can tell to self,
that this (GPG/Inline) is not for me, because i am not only one recipient
in this ML, and ignore these mails (most used key on my keyboard seems to
be the Delete key).

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 06:16:28PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
 I wasn't thinking of Enigmail/Mozilla, but Microsoft.  Microsoft's
 software doesn't produce PGP/MIME sigs and their reading of same is
 broken.  Or at least was last time I had to use any of their software.

MS Exchange at least recognises PGP/MIME as being something: it shows
a little signed icon against such mails.  It doesn't identify or treat
inline signed messages any differently to normal.


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Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote:
 myhost$ adduser ricky dialout

Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000)
is automatically in this group.


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Re: putting audio files onto a DVD

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:14:12AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 Wrong again (you're trying too hard).
 
 header from track on CDDA = RIFF���WAVEfmt

What ripper did you use to extract the track?

Since a raw redbook audio encoded track is not very useful it's highly likely
that your ripper has packed the result into a WAV.


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Re: ..neat wee litigation trap, was: zfs-fuse or zfsonlinux

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:27:36AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
 And it's not a problem as a kernel module either, seeing as though it's the
 user who has to manually load it. For that, the license could be
 proprietarded.

It's a problem if you ever want help if/when there's a bug or problem with the
module, since the kernel will be marked 'tainted'.


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Re: a balance: hi speed internet vs. remoteness

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:50:31PM -0700, Sam wrote:

weirdness snipped

Celebrating something, Sam?

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Re: putting audio files onto a DVD

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 16:17 +, Camaleón wrote:
 I wish the optical media and their associate formats starts disappearing 
 in a near future, they're nothing but headaches for users.

Full ACK! Unfortunately I suspect that the successor will have also
drawbacks. For audio I used DAT a long time. For data it's named
different, but it's the same hardware. I used data tapes instead of
audio tapes, since the GEMA mafia makes empty audio tapes 6* more
expensive in Germany. The issue with DAT is, that the consumer drives
don't last very long. Some days ago I visited a friend and noticed that
he still has got a shelf with Syquest Cartridges. Btw. I dropped CDRAM a
long time ago, but for unimportant data CD and DVD are still my
favorites compared to e.g. an USB-stick. My PC hasn't got a floppy disk
drive anymore. Today we need those optical media :(.


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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread T Elcor
--- On Fri, 5/11/12, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Paraphrase yes. Useful analogy I don't believe so.
 
 A better analogy would be:-
 Is the post reduced in value if Tony's was name was not
 added to the
 sender field?
 
 The answer is yes.

Not necessarily. If there were several users with the same name on this list, a 
full email address would be a better identifier than name. And if someone 
decided to use the same name AND email address as another user, signing one's 
messages would be a good idea to avoid confusion/misrepresentation.

Anyway, this interesting discussion seems to begin going in circles, so the 
important points for me are:

1. Debian Code of Conduct has nothing against signing one's emails, inline or 
otherwise, while other things like HTML emails and spam are explicitly 
forbidden (yet they appear almost daily anyway). See 
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct 

2. Some people consider the practice of signing their emails useful, as it 
provides some benefits to them.

3. Even if one doesn't agree with such a practice, it's pretty harmless 
comparing to some other uses or abuses of the list.

4. If one still feels strongly that signed emails should not be used on this 
list, one may want to suggest such a change to the Debian Code of Conduct. I 
doubt it would pass though.

HTH


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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 01:43 -0700, T Elcor wrote:
 If one still feels strongly that signed emails should not be used on
 this list, one may want to suggest such a change to the Debian Code of
 Conduct.

I'm against general signing, but I guess we should be free to use it, if
we wont use it and it's good if some Debian developers sign, to ensure
that they are really the developers. There's useful signing and OTOH an
idiotic signing fetish. IIUC this is what all those discussions are
about. It's not a discussion against signing on an open mailing list per
se.


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Re: GRUB: error incompatible license. Entering rescue mode...

2012-05-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 May 2012 at 01:20:04 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote:

 Hello List:

 I have exactly the same issue, and the same wondering:
 any (fresh) idea ?

Your setup is possibly inconsistent. The modules in /boot/grub do not
match the version of GRUB in the MBR.


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Re: putting audio files onto a DVD

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
K3b is a must-have, the best burning software and I'm not a KDE user.


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Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread onlymahendra7


Dear sir,

 

I am trying to install xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on my Red hat Linux
5 Enterprise Edition operating system. But while installation it shows many
errors. Can you tell me how to install this software. Is there any other
packages needed to install. pl reply...


 

Regards,

Mahendra Patil



Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 02:13:37AM -0700, onlymahend...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 Dear sir,
 
 
 I am trying to install xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on my Red hat Linux 5
 Enterprise Edition operating system. But while installation it shows
 many errors. Can you tell me how to install this software. Is there any
 other packages needed to install. pl reply...
 

This is a debian list, no Red Hat.

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Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I didn't find a mailing list for Red Hat, but you might try a forum,
e.g.:
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/red-hat-fedora-linux/

Debian is a Linux distro too, but different to Red Hat.

Hth,
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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 May 2012 09:01:19 +0100
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:

Hello Jon,

 MS Exchange at least recognises PGP/MIME as being something: it shows
 a little signed icon against such mails.  

An improvement on OE, certainly.  That used to see the PGP/MIME signed
message and treat the text part as an attachment.

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Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 04:36 -0500, Indulekha wrote:
 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 02:13:37AM -0700, onlymahend...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
  Dear sir,
  
  
  I am trying to install xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on my Red hat Linux 5
  Enterprise Edition operating system. But while installation it shows
  many errors. Can you tell me how to install this software. Is there any
  other packages needed to install. pl reply...
  
 
 This is a debian list, no Red Hat.

Isn't it possible to write to this list, without being subscribed?
Perhaps this person doesn't receive mails from the list :D, I guess we
need too CC.

 Forwarded Message 
From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat
linux 5 Enterprise Edition
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:38:48 +0200

I didn't find a mailing list for Red Hat, but you might try a forum,
e.g.:
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/red-hat-fedora-linux/

Debian is a Linux distro too, but different to Red Hat.

Hth,
Ralf


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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 11 May 2012 19:31:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 17:27 +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:49:36 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
 
  On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:59:25PM +, Camaleón wrote:
  mode remember on
  
  We once faced a problem with faked posts in another mailing list.
  There was a user (with a severe Tourette Syndrom) that sent messages
  with the
  
  And you could tell this from his/her posts?, amazing!
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome
 
 No, it was the same user who told us about his illness and we could
 check that he was saying the truth -not just because of his distasteful
 writings- but he had published some articles about himself speaking for
 his situation and was well known over Internet.
 
 :)

I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not 
funny at all :-(

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Re: ACPI Menagement

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:57:58 +0200, ricccardo wrote:

 On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 15:55 +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

 And is the above data right? I mean, does it coincide with the battery
 information the power applet displays?
 
 
 Hi, the information are obtained with the power chord unplugged. 

Well, you don't need to remove the power for running acpi -V, it's just 
a requirement for powertop to make an estimation :-)

 I notice that the result of powertop and apci -V are different.

It can be. I find the acpi command not to be 100% reliable. Moreover, 
when you run it on desktops in barely outputs useful data:

sm01@stt008:~$ acpi -V
 Cooling 0: Processor 0 of 10
 Cooling 1: Processor 0 of 10
 Cooling 2: Processor 0 of 10
 Cooling 3: Processor 0 of 10

Which says nothing.

 ric@ricmbp:~$ acpi -V
 Battery 0: Discharging, 75%, 01:04:08 remaining 
 Battery 0: design capacity 4851 mAh, last full capacity 3520 mAh = 72%
 Adapter 0: off-line
 Cooling 0: Processor 0 of 10
 Cooling 1: Processor 0 of 10
 ric@ricmbp:~$ sudo powertop
 PowerTOP 1.11   (C) 2007, 2008 Intel Corporation 
 Power usage (ACPI estimate): 315.8W (0.1 hours)

Looks right. Are you still receiving the error?
 
 The two results seems to be different. 

Well, let's see. Of course both outputs differ, that's normal because 
they're different utilities focused for a different usage. The acpi 
command is just an approach to the status of the battery and some acpi 
stuff while powertop is a more complete tool that helps you to save 
energy and money, it scans your system energy usage and makes nice 
reports and recommendations on how to save a bunch of watts :-)

 Furthermore, the battery information displayed by the power applet
 sometimes are divergent from the results of the apci -V. I mean the
 battery indicator is red (about 4%) but apci says 66%.

I wouldn't worry about that. Should I have to trust one of them I'd go 
for the GNOME applet :-)

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Re: Performance of Linux IP Aliased Network Interfaces

2012-05-12 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello,

Volkan YAZICI a écrit :
 
 I put together a setup to measure the performance of IP aliasing
 in Linux. (See related blog post[1].) The problem is, observed
 throughput increases as the number of aliases increase. Despite
 this problem does not specifically related with Debian, I hope to
 find some answers here. Any helps will be really appreciated.
 
 [1] 
 http://vyazici.blogspot.com/2012/05/performance-of-linux-ip-aliased-network.html

An explanation could be that the total throughput increases with the
number of flows.


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[OT] openoffice write auto-numbering turn off

2012-05-12 Thread lina
Hi,

I have a file like:

aaa
(1) morning
(2) noon
(3) afternoon

when I press the return key enter to start a new line, I don't
expect it to be (4).

How can I avoid it. I turned the numbering off still not work. so
weird, google told me I may try Tools- Outline numbering -
numebr None.
but still not work.

I am not so familiar with it, can someone give me some suggestions,

Thanks ahead,

Best regards,


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Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:39:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

(...)

 I just installed Debian 6.0.4 using Synaptic to add gnome-ppp. My first
 attempt to configure my modem failed *SILENTLY* (but's another gripe;)
 Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. Then executed
 gnome-ppp.
 All went fine.

You call that paranoia but it can be a simple bug.

 That established I had a permissions issue : I then did
man gnome-ppp
 Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!*

That's also something historical. Programmers are not usually very much 
interested -nor have the time- in documenting their babies.

 I'm the _*ONLY*_ person to have physical access to the system. How do I
 force Debian to achieve functionality of CPM-80? [me date self ;/   LOL!

You better force yourself to find a solution for your problem in the 
proper way.

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Re: [OT] openoffice write auto-numbering turn off

2012-05-12 Thread paivakil
lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com writes:

  Hi,

  I have a file like:

  aaa
  (1) morning
  (2) noon
  (3) afternoon

  when I press the return key enter to start a new line, I don't
  expect it to be (4).

  How can I avoid it. I turned the numbering off still not work. so
  weird, google told me I may try Tools- Outline numbering -
  numebr None.
  but still not work.

  I am not so familiar with it, can someone give me some suggestions,

  Thanks ahead,


Which version? OO.o or libreoffice? 


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Re: mounting local filesystem ..... FAILED

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

 i am running debian 6.0.4
 
 i am getting this error on boot   mounting local filesystem failed.

And besides the error, are you experiencing another problem/issue? Is the 
system booting as usual or are you facing any unexpected behaviour once 
the system has booted?

 however things are working fine like squid is working in firewall mode
 etc.. even i can see the same directory structure but df-h showing some
 thing like this
 
 filesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on 
 rootfs 31G  1.3G   28G   5% / 
 none  118M  124K  118M   1% /dev
  

(...)

What that none means here? :-?
 
Are you missing something, for example, an external USB disk that should 
be recognized but it's not present?

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf

 Selling guns?

Apologize! Context! Selling guns to the wrong people, with a bad
intention is unethically, but it isn't unethically to sell guns per se.

I don't own weapons myself, but I've got no problems with people who
learned how to use and not to use a weapon secure and ethically. I'm
able to do this myself, but I don't need a weapon.


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Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:36:20 -0500, Indulekha wrote:

 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 02:13:37AM -0700, onlymahend...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 Dear sir,
 
 
 I am trying to install xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on my Red hat Linux 5
 Enterprise Edition operating system. But while installation it
 shows many errors. Can you tell me how to install this software. Is
 there any other packages needed to install. pl reply...
 
 
 This is a debian list, no Red Hat.

Betrayed by his own mind! In his deepest heart he must love Debian ;-)

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Re: [OT] openoffice write auto-numbering turn off

2012-05-12 Thread lina
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:37 PM,  paiva...@gmail.com wrote:
 lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com writes:

   Hi,

   I have a file like:

   aaa
   (1) morning
   (2) noon
   (3) afternoon

   when I press the return key enter to start a new line, I don't
   expect it to be (4).

   How can I avoid it. I turned the numbering off still not work. so
   weird, google told me I may try Tools- Outline numbering -
   numebr None.
   but still not work.

   I am not so familiar with it, can someone give me some suggestions,

   Thanks ahead,


 Which version? OO.o or libreoffice?

Open office.

Now fix by:

Tools - Autocorrect Options

uncheck apply numbering and symbols

Thanks.



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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:40:31PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  Selling guns?
 
 Apologize! Context! Selling guns to the wrong people, with a bad
 intention is unethically, but it isn't unethically to sell guns per se.
 
 I don't own weapons myself, but I've got no problems with people who
 learned how to use and not to use a weapon secure and ethically. I'm
 able to do this myself, but I don't need a weapon.
 
 
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Please don't troll.
The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're 
claiming to repond to. If you're going to hysterically paraphrase 
someone, please make sure you inform us of that fact.

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Re: [OT] openoffice write auto-numbering turn off

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 18:26:58 +0800, lina wrote:

 I have a file like:
 
 aaa
 (1) morning
 (2) noon
 (3) afternoon
 
 when I press the return key enter to start a new line, I don't expect
 it to be (4).

(...)

Check the suggestions here (mainly the #4 comment):

[LibreOffice] Turn off annoying automatic numbering
http://tyldurd.posterous.com/libreoffice-turn-off-annoying-automatic-numbe

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Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:48:17AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Isn't it possible to write to this list, without being subscribed?
 Perhaps this person doesn't receive mails from the list :D, I guess we
 need too CC.

It is, but the mailing list code of conduct says

 When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon copy (CC)
 to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be copied.


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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
 I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not 
 funny at all :-(

If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue. I'm an idiot
myself and once I met another highly gifted idiot. He was a stutterer.
This was an issue, since it takes minutes to communicate spoken, what
usually is possible in seconds. I anyway enjoy talking with him, since
all the other people on that party who thought that he might be
intellectually disabled, didn't nearly reach his IQ.
I would like to have more tolerance on this planet.

I don't like normal people, they're suspect to me. What exactly is
normal? Raping children? Selling guns? Dunno! Most of so called
anomalous people usually don't do unethical things that often as
averaged people do.

- Ralf


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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:40:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Ralf, be very cautious when quoting...

 Selling guns?

What the hell are you (if that were you) talking about?

 Apologize! Context! Selling guns to the wrong people, with a bad
 intention is unethically, but it isn't unethically to sell guns per se.

(...)

What I explained was a serious and delicate issue, nothing funny and 
nothing to do with ethical or unethical actions but a disease :-/

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:52:28 -0500
Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote:

Hello Indulekha,

 Please don't troll.
 The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're 

It did;  You just saw the follow-up before the message it was replying
to.  Exactly the same happened here.

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Re: Wheezy USB Harddrive install grub2 issues

2012-05-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 May 2012 at 19:19:32 +0800, Bob wrote:

 Probably want to skip that --root-directory option, unless you're
 trying to avoid the mbr for some valid reason...

 I've tried it with and without.

Why? What does grub-install(8) have to say about the option?


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Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example

2012-05-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 May 2012 at 05:02:31 +0100, elbbit wrote:

 As wvdial uses a system-wide configuration file, I should imagine that a
 regular system user just needs to be added to the dialout group, with
 command:
 
 myhost$ adduser ricky dialout

Why does a user need direct access to the serial port to run a script?


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Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example

2012-05-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 May 2012 at 09:06:30 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:

 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote:
  myhost$ adduser ricky dialout
 
 Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000)
 is automatically in this group.

I'd be inclined to say she isn't. If ppp is installed she'd be in
group dip.


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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:11PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:52:28 -0500
 Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote:
 
 Hello Indulekha,
 
  Please don't troll.
  The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're 
 
 It did;  You just saw the follow-up before the message it was replying
 to.  Exactly the same happened here.
 

Ah, ok. Yes, I do see it now.
Apologies to Ralf!

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Re: Wheezy USB Harddrive install grub2 issues

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
 On Fri 11 May 2012 at 19:19:32 +0800, Bob wrote:
 
  Probably want to skip that --root-directory option, unless you're
  trying to avoid the mbr for some valid reason...
 
  I've tried it with and without.
 
 Why? What does grub-install(8) have to say about the option?
 

Please watch your attribution.

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
 I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not
 funny at all :-(
 
 If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue. 

(...)

Ralf, I don't know how to tell this with plain (and kind) words becasue 
you seem don't understanding nothing at all... from nothing.

In a mailing list there is no face to face comunication, you only get 
mesages from a person that you don't know and you had no previous 
relation with and you are unaware of his real intentions... So, if a 
person starts sending posts impersonating you, insulting the other 
mailing list users and harming them -despite you consider his disease to 
be something enjoyable (which I think is not)- is nothing laughable at 
all.

And is not funny because it was something the user could not control so 
finally, IIRC, he had to be banned and some of the of users started 
signing their own posts :-/

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:18:11 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:

 On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:52:28 -0500
 Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote:
 
 Hello Indulekha,
 
 Please don't troll.
 The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're
 
 It did;  You just saw the follow-up before the message it was replying
 to.  Exactly the same happened here.

Brad,

I received first the second message (his reply to himself) and because 
he removed the name of the person who wrote the cited text, the message  
was unreferenced at all.

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desktop notification gone

2012-05-12 Thread Tom

Hey all,

My desktop has long stopped notifying me of things. I ignored it for
a while, expecting it to fix itself, but it doesn't.

I wasn't/am not quite sure about the relationship between the
notification-daemon and notify-osd packages. The latter seems to be
another implementation of the same freedesktop spec. In any case, I
tried with both, to no avail.

This is on sid. I mostly use Openbox, starting notification- and
gnome-settings-daemon from .xinitrc. Oddly enough, all applications
that ought to notify me (I only use three: my music player, Icedove,
and Transmission) do so exactly one time after their start-up.

When running Gnome everything's fine. I suppose that might mean I
don't start some daemon I should (which then was probably introduced
with Gnome 3), but notify-send just works.

I hope it's no case of PEBKAC, but couldn't find any recent related
bugs, and have no idea of how to go about finding out what's wrong.
Perhaps somebody here could point me in some relevant direction?

Kind regards,
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Re: ACPI Menagement

2012-05-12 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Camaleón, 12.05.2012:
 On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:57:58 +0200, ricccardo wrote:
 
  Furthermore, the battery information displayed by the power applet
  sometimes are divergent from the results of the apci -V. I mean the
  battery indicator is red (about 4%) but apci says 66%.
 
 I wouldn't worry about that. Should I have to trust one of them I'd go 
 for the GNOME applet :-)

I would trust the acpi command much more.  My gnome applet has been 
wrong in the past, showing empty/red when it was actually pretty full.  
(I use sid and this behavior changes often.  Right now it seems fine.)


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Re: mounting local filesystem ..... FAILED

2012-05-12 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

 i am running debian 6.0.4

 i am getting this error on boot   mounting local filesystem failed.

 And besides the error, are you experiencing another problem/issue? Is the
 system booting as usual or are you facing any unexpected behaviour once
 the system has booted?

 however things are working fine like squid is working in firewall mode
 etc.. even i can see the same directory structure but df-h showing some
 thing like this

 filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 rootfs                 31G  1.3G   28G   5% /
 none                  118M  124K  118M   1% /dev
  

 (...)

 What that none means here? :-?
hope this can explain you better. because i also dont know why its
showing none

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *   1405432558080   83  Linux
/dev/sda240544178  9932815  Extended
/dev/sda540544178  993280   82  Linux swap / Solaris
root@proxy-prod:/var/log# blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID=4649883f-cece-4599-b117-e2ceb2dd3ebd TYPE=ext3
/dev/sda5: UUID=617a2ecd-1c86-45b5-905f-ff3c6804a098 TYPE=swap



 Are you missing something, for example, an external USB disk that should
 be recognized but it's not present?

BTW , i am using Proxmox a KVM base virtual environment. so i am not
sure about it however i think virtually they are mounting CD drive on
USB as
this log shows note the resume from disk failed msg

[1.012097] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[1.168454] PM: Starting manual resume from disk
[1.168457] PM: Resume from partition 8:5
[1.168458] PM: Checking hibernation image.
[1.168856] PM: Error -22 checking image file
[1.168858] PM: Resume from disk failed.
[1.205291] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0627, idProduct=0001
[1.205295] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=3, SerialNumber=5
[1.205303] usb 1-1: Product: QEMU USB Tablet
[1.205305] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: QEMU 0.15.0
[1.205306] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 42
[1.205379] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[1.213087] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
[1.213098] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[1.232655] usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev




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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:40:35AM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
  I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not
  funny at all :-(
  
  If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue. 
 
 (...)
 
 Ralf, I don't know how to tell this with plain (and kind) words becasue 
 you seem don't understanding nothing at all... from nothing.
 
 In a mailing list there is no face to face comunication, you only get 
 mesages from a person that you don't know and you had no previous 
 relation with and you are unaware of his real intentions... So, if a 
 person starts sending posts impersonating you, insulting the other 
 mailing list users and harming them -despite you consider his disease to 
 be something enjoyable (which I think is not)- is nothing laughable at 
 all.
 
 And is not funny because it was something the user could not control so 
 finally, IIRC, he had to be banned and some of the of users started 
 signing their own posts :-/
 

Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's
just verbal and gestures. You got trolled.

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:46:26 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Camaleón,

 I received first the second message (his reply to himself) and
 because he removed the name of the person who wrote the cited text,
 the message was unreferenced at all.

Without attribution, context and what-not, it was difficult to know
who/what Ralf was talking about, true.

Lacking the post it was a reply to, my MUA used the next available ref
header to thread the message; yours.  It certainly made for an
interesting few minutes until the /real/ post it was following up came
through.

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Re: ACPI Menagement

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:31:24 -0500, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:

 Camaleón, 12.05.2012:
 On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:57:58 +0200, ricccardo wrote:
 
  Furthermore, the battery information displayed by the power applet
  sometimes are divergent from the results of the apci -V. I mean the
  battery indicator is red (about 4%) but apci says 66%.
 
 I wouldn't worry about that. Should I have to trust one of them I'd go
 for the GNOME applet :-)
 
 I would trust the acpi command much more.  My gnome applet has been
 wrong in the past, showing empty/red when it was actually pretty full.
 (I use sid and this behavior changes often.  Right now it seems fine.)

The GNOME applet can also have bugs :-), but as it relies on DeviceKit 
power to get the info and stats (as default, I think you can select a 
different backend) I find it more robust than the raw acpi.

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Re: mounting local filesystem ..... FAILED

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 16:56:04 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

(...)

 What that none means here? :-?

 hope this can explain you better. because i also dont know why its
 showing none

(...)

Nope, sorry, I'm afraid the above outputs add no more useful information.

 Are you missing something, for example, an external USB disk that
 should be recognized but it's not present?
 
 BTW , i am using Proxmox a KVM base virtual environment. so i am not
 sure about it however i think virtually they are mounting CD drive on
 USB as
 this log shows note the resume from disk failed msg

 [1.012097] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and  address 
 2 
 [1.168454] PM: Starting manual resume from disk 
 [1.168457] PM: Resume from partition 8:5 
 [1.168458] PM: Checking hibernation image. 
 [1.168856] PM: Error -22 checking image file 
 [1.168858] PM: Resume from disk failed.

(...)

Wait, wait... was the error coming up after resuming or from a cold 
boot? 

And do you have any additional storage volume that you usually mount 
under /dev? It seems something pointing to /dev but I can't guess what.

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:59:29 -0500, Indulekha wrote:

 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:40:35AM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
  I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was
  not funny at all :-(
  
  If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue.
 
 (...)
 And is not funny because it was something the user could not control so
 finally, IIRC, he had to be banned and some of the of users started
 signing their own posts :-/
 
 
 Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's
 just verbal and gestures. You got trolled.

You're completely wrong. 

But you can read and learn (from Wikipedia article):

***
(...) Tourette's was once considered a rare and bizarre syndrome, most 
often associated with the exclamation of obscene words or socially 
inappropriate and derogatory remarks (coprolalia), but this symptom is 
present in only a small minority of people with Tourette's.[1]
***

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Re: desktop notification gone

2012-05-12 Thread Michael Biebl
On 12.05.2012 13:53, Tom wrote:

 This is on sid. I mostly use Openbox, starting notification- and
 gnome-settings-daemon from .xinitrc. Oddly enough, all applications
 that ought to notify me (I only use three: my music player, Icedove,
 and Transmission) do so exactly one time after their start-up.
 
 When running Gnome everything's fine. I suppose that might mean I
 don't start some daemon I should (which then was probably introduced
 with Gnome 3), but notify-send just works.
 

To show desktop notification, you need a notification service running.

gnome-shell and KDE have one built-in and there is a standalone daemon
called notification-daemon (which is used in GNOME 2 / GNOME 3 classic).
Do you have a notification-daemon process running? If you start one
manually via /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon do you get
any error messages?

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 06:59:29AM -0500, Indulekha wrote:
 
 Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's
 just verbal and gestures. You got trolled.

Please take this off-list.  It's off-topic and adds zero value to
the intended purpose of this list.


Thanks,
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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Wayne Topa

On 05/12/2012 08:36 AM, Roger Leigh wrote:

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 06:59:29AM -0500, Indulekha wrote:


Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's
just verbal and gestures. You got trolled.


Please take this off-list.  It's off-topic and adds zero value to
the intended purpose of this list.

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Re: Wheezy USB Harddrive install grub2 issues

2012-05-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 May 2012 at 06:36:24 -0500, Indulekha wrote:

 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
  On Fri 11 May 2012 at 19:19:32 +0800, Bob wrote:
  
   Probably want to skip that --root-directory option, unless you're
   trying to avoid the mbr for some valid reason...
  
   I've tried it with and without.
  
  Why? What does grub-install(8) have to say about the option?
  
 
 Please watch your attribution.

The attribution is correct. You got no credit because Bob didn't
attribute you and I couldn't be bothered to insert something before
thelines.


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Re: GRUB: error incompatible license. Entering rescue mode...

2012-05-12 Thread Jerome BENOIT

Hello List:

On 12/05/12 11:04, Brian wrote:

On Fri 11 May 2012 at 01:20:04 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote:


Hello List:

I have exactly the same issue, and the same wondering:
any (fresh) idea ?


Your setup is possibly inconsistent. The modules in /boot/grub do not
match the version of GRUB in the MBR.


This is certainly true as to fix the issue I played with `grub-install 
--recheck'.
The error message sounds them rather inappropriate.

Jerome






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Re: [not sure if OT] empty DVD menus with k9copy and devede

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 11 May 2012 10:14:12 -0400, Eike Lantzsch wrote:

 On Thursday 10 May 2012 11:22:08 Camaleón wrote:

  This is just an idea... To discard a problem coming from your backed
  / home profile, try by launching the mentioned programs from a fresh
  new user account to check if you are still getting the same
  behaviour.
  
 [snip] KDE profile ruled out.

Okay.

 Then maybe is that something have changed in between. I mean, are you
 using the same versions of k9copy and devede that you were using
 before you reinstalled the system? :-?

 No, I'm not running the same version of devede, but running the same
 version of k9copy.

Mmm... 

 devede 3.21.0 was last updated on Apr 30 - that was AFTER the problem
 already appeared. That means the old version was still installed when
 the problem reared its ugly head. That's why I suspect libraries or
 helper-programs.
 
 k9copy 2.3.8-3 was updated Mar 14 - BEFORE the problem appeared. That
 means that k9copy 2.3.8-3 was working perfectly until something else was
 upgraded.
 Again that's why I suspect libraries or helper-programs.

I would center the problem in devede and its related libraries because 
k9copy does not looks like a program to make the DVD menus but for 
mastering the final copy.

  Right now I'm trying on another box with the same Wheezy
  installation. If it works there, I shall have something to work on
  and to analyze the differences.
 
 Yes, good point. Regardless the result at least you'll can grab some
 conclusions.

 Unfortunately the problem is the same on the other box. That lets me
 conclude that the problem started with an update after Apr 24 but before
 Apr 30.
 
 dvdauthor had not been upgraded during this time. libxml2, mencoder,
 libav* (ffmpeg libraries) have been upgraded. Downgrading libxml2 does
 not change the behaviour. I out-ruled libc6 too.

If you can reproduce the problem from another system I would contact the 
packagers/developers of both applications and ask them about this, and 
not because the error is located at the programs but they'll can point 
you to the top suspicious libraries that can be triggering the problem.

 Well, dvdauthor is one of the pieces of the chain but the problem can
 be located elsehwere (e.g., deveve can be generating bad/corrupted
 projects that render the menus unusuable).

 Yep, but what about k9copy going bad at the same time?

Yes, but k9copy seems to be an application mainly for backup with little/
no intervention in DVD menu creation.

 They both share
 dvdauthor which uses libxml2
 libavcodec53
 libavformat53
 libavutil51
 mencoder
 
 With mencoder and libavcodec, libavformat and the whole ffmpeg caboodle
 I'm running into serious dependency-problems when downgrading. devede
 complains about not finding mencoder when mencoder_1 is
 force-depends-installed. So: no luck.

Have you considering upgrading, instead? I don't if this can be a complex 
task or maybe you can try to get the upstream packages and compile by 
yourself (should you have a running virtual/testing machine you can run 
these test from here with less headaches) :-?

 What puzzles me is that I got the problem on two very different boxes
 (hardware-wise) and nobody else seems to have these problems.
 
 I'm afraid I'm hitting a stonewall here and am seriously thinking about
 installing Squeeze on one of the boxes.
 
 Thanks for your suggestions and concern. Eike

I bet you'll get more replies by asking in the corresponding mailing 
lists, I mean, from where you got the packages.

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Re: desktop notification gone

2012-05-12 Thread Tom

On 05/12/2012 02:26 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:


This is on sid. I mostly use Openbox ..
When running Gnome everything's fine.


To show desktop notification, you need a notification service running.

gnome-shell and KDE have one built-in and there is a standalone daemon
called notification-daemon


Hm, I had no idea gnome-shell  KDE bring their own.


Do you have a notification-daemon process running? If you start one
manually via /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon do you
get any error messages?


It is running. Since notify-send does its job, I assumed all was well,
restarting the daemon confirms that (no errors/warnings).

Just in case, other perhaps relevant daemons running with my user name
are gnome-settings-daemon, gconfd-2, and dbus-daemon.

Thanks for your reply,
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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:14PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:59:29 -0500, Indulekha wrote:
 
  On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:40:35AM +, Camaleón wrote:
  On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  
   On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
   I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was
   not funny at all :-(
   
   If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue.
  
  (...)
  And is not funny because it was something the user could not control so
  finally, IIRC, he had to be banned and some of the of users started
  signing their own posts :-/
  
  
  Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's
  just verbal and gestures. You got trolled.
 
 You're completely wrong. 
 
 But you can read and learn (from Wikipedia article):
 
 ***
 (...) Tourette's was once considered a rare and bizarre syndrome, most 
 often associated with the exclamation of obscene words or socially 
 inappropriate and derogatory remarks (coprolalia), but this symptom is 
 present in only a small minority of people with Tourette's.[1]
 ***

What, so now the *lack* of a described symptom is proof it exists?
Nowhere in that article does it say that Tourette's makes people 
write obscenities. And that's with good reason, because it doesn't.

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 06:28 -0500, Indulekha wrote:
 Ah, ok. Yes, I do see it now.
 Apologies to Ralf!

No problem, I've got to apologize, since I wrote to much unneeded text.



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Re: ..neat wee litigation trap, was: zfs-fuse or zfsonlinux

2012-05-12 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 09:09:14AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
 It's a problem if you ever want help if/when there's a bug or problem with the
 module, since the kernel will be marked 'tainted'.

If it's a problem with the module, contact the module maintainers. If it's a
problem with the kernel, unload the module, and contact the kernel
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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 09:07:04 -0500, Indulekha wrote:

 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:14PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 
  Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's
  just verbal and gestures. You got trolled.
 
 You're completely wrong.
 
 But you can read and learn (from Wikipedia article):
 
 ***
 (...) Tourette's was once considered a rare and bizarre syndrome, most
 often associated with the exclamation of obscene words or socially
 inappropriate and derogatory remarks (coprolalia), but this symptom is
 present in only a small minority of people with Tourette's.[1] ***
 
 What, so now the *lack* of a described symptom is proof it exists?
 Nowhere in that article does it say that Tourette's makes people write
 obscenities. And that's with good reason, because it doesn't.

Indulekha, I won't explain about what a disease is or isn't. Should you 
are insterested in knowing more about this specific illness then go, read 
and taught yourself, this is not a medical list.

But if you are pretending to explain to me what's what I lived *in first 
person* with that guy, well, that's going too far and a bit arrogant from 
your part, man...

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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 09:07:04AM -0500, Indulekha wrote:
 What, so now the *lack* of a described symptom is proof it exists?
 Nowhere in that article does it say that Tourette's makes people 
 write obscenities. And that's with good reason, because it doesn't.

*Please*, take this offtopic garbage off list.  Not only is it
offtopic, it's also rude and inconsiderate to the other subscribers
of this list.  The list is for users of Debian, for discussion and
support of Debian.  It's not for random topics outside that scope.
You're certainly not the only one guilty of taking this discussion
way offtopic, but you're certainly the worst example, and enough is
enough.

I won't be asking a third time, I'll be asking the listmaster to take
the appropriate action.


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Re: GRUB: error incompatible license. Entering rescue mode...

2012-05-12 Thread Brad Alexander
I don't recall a license issue, but I recently migrated my workstation
from one drive to the other, and I had to do the following to get it
to work:

grub-install --recheck (to update for the drive/partition UUIDs)
update-grub (to update grub.cfg)

And of course, update your fstab/crypttab.

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On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jerome BENOIT g62993...@rezozer.net wrote:
 Hello List:


 On 12/05/12 11:04, Brian wrote:

 On Fri 11 May 2012 at 01:20:04 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote:

 Hello List:

 I have exactly the same issue, and the same wondering:
 any (fresh) idea ?


 Your setup is possibly inconsistent. The modules in /boot/grub do not
 match the version of GRUB in the MBR.

 This is certainly true as to fix the issue I played with `grub-install
 --recheck'.
 The error message sounds them rather inappropriate.

 Jerome





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Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:51:44 +0200, Ralf wrote in message 
1336805504.2741.26.camel@precise:

 We should create a world of trust, instead of hanging on conspiracy
 theories.

..theories are harmless, until they become recipes for e.g.
Kristallnächt-2.0 on 9/11.

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howto fix grub

2012-05-12 Thread David Roguin
Hi, I'm running wheezy on a mixed boot layout: an efi boot and a grub
installation on an ext4 partition.

Everything worked well until the last grub2 upgrade which render my
boot unbootable. It seems that there's a bug about installing grub on
an ext4 partition instea of the mbr.
I'm now booting with a super grub cd.

I want to know if anyone can point me on how can I repair my grub
install taking into account that the wheezy and sid package are broken
for my system.

Thanks a lot!

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Re: OT: 各類廠商存貨 貨辦 倉底貨 碼頭櫃貨 退港貨等

2012-05-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:11:50 +0100, Terence wrote in message 
CAFG91EPrjcheGq+MCsUgNdnBKz0Fwn4VQpOEXCaes_xA4K=a...@mail.gmail.com:

   Doesn't appear to be in The English Oxford Dictionary.
 
  Using the Oxford Dictionary is pretentious, today we're using the
  urban dictionary :p
 
 
 Nothing like using the uneducated to educate the uneducated!
 
 Good luck with that!
 
 BTW just who is the we you claim to represent?

..me? 8o)  Check your attributions before you present such
misrepresentations. ;oD

 Crack on with the Semi-Literacy Revolution- work hard and the
 followers won't be even to spell it...
 
 Saki
 


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Re: mounting local filesystem ..... FAILED

2012-05-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:38 +0500, Muhammad wrote in message 
CAGWVfM=pmbzv+vfvi-p1hqa0_0hibqf+kmqqfyn81lmjtgh...@mail.gmail.com:

 is there anyone can help plz?

..not until you post your actual error messages.

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Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example

2012-05-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:39:49 -0500, Richard wrote in message 
4faddb85.3060...@cloud85.net:

 I understand that historically Linux's roots are in a 
 *MASSIVELY* multi-user environment.

..correct.

 *BUT* I'm a single user on an inherently physically secure 

..you occupy Bouvet Island??? ;o)

 single user laptop.

..wrong, you have a multi user system on your laptop.

..and, you're getting useful support for free from people
who knows how to debug ppp and gnome-ppp, which is the only 
_useful_ fact in my post here. ;o)

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Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:36:20 -0500, Indulekha wrote in message 
20120512093620.GA7588@radhesyama:

 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 02:13:37AM -0700, onlymahend...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  
  
  Dear sir,
  
  
  I am trying to install xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on my Red hat Linux 5
  Enterprise Edition operating system. But while installation it
  shows many errors. Can you tell me how to install this software. Is
  there any other packages needed to install. pl reply...
  
 
 This is a debian list, no Red Hat.
 
..wrong answer, this is where you tell Mahendra to fetch and 
install one one of the debootstrap packages from e.g.: ...
arnt@celsius:~$ apt-cache search debootstrap
cdebootstrap - Bootstrap a Debian system
cdebootstrap-static - Bootstrap a Debian system - static binary
debootstrap - Bootstrap a basic Debian system
ganeti-instance-debootstrap - debootstrap-based instance OS definition
for ganeti grml-debootstrap - wrapper around debootstrap for installing
pure Debian multistrap - multiple repository bootstrap based on apt
pbuilder - personal package builder for Debian packages
rinse - RPM installation environment
arnt@celsius:~$ 

... and point him to e.g.: ...
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en or
http://kemovitra.blogspot.com/2010/01/use-cdebootstrap-to-install.html

...so he can learn how to play with Debian toys 'n tools. ;o)

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Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:24:53PM +0100, Brian wrote:
 On Sat 12 May 2012 at 09:06:30 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
 
  On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote:
   myhost$ adduser ricky dialout
  
  Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000)
  is automatically in this group.
 
 I'd be inclined to say she isn't. If ppp is installed she'd be in
 group dip.

You are probably right: my desktop user is in dialout and I don't remember
adding them but I must have done.  A fresh squeeze install on a mac mini
yesterday yields a user in dip but not dialout. Thanks for correcting me!


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Re: ..neat wee litigation trap, was: zfs-fuse or zfsonlinux

2012-05-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 12 May 2012 09:09:14 +0100, Jon wrote in message 
20120512080914.GD27051@debian:

 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:27:36AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
  And it's not a problem as a kernel module either, seeing as though
  it's the user who has to manually load it. For that, the license
  could be proprietarded.
 
 It's a problem if you ever want help if/when there's a bug or problem
 with the module, since the kernel will be marked 'tainted'.

..another question is, what kinda performance enhanchement can
zfs-fuse or zfsonlinux deliver, 5%, 50% or even 500%, compared 
to the best GPL file systems?  And, no risk of vendor lock-in?

..and, is that performance enhanchement worth the litigation 
risk?  How much has Google paid to their lawyers to date in 
Oracle v Google?  What kinda future would you have, if you 
put yourself, or, your employer in such an expensive pinch?
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=OracleGoogle

..now, a totally different thing is, learning about zfs-fuse 
and zfsonlinux so you can make crazy money helping people 
migrate away from these litigation traps, which is what 
I gather OP really, really, really wants to do. ;o)

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Re: ..neat wee litigation trap, was: zfs-fuse or zfsonlinux

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 08:25:04AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
 If it's a problem with the module, contact the module maintainers. If it's a
 problem with the kernel, unload the module, and contact the kernel
 maintainers. I don't see the problem.

Please read up on tainted mode. You can't just unload the module. You'd have to
ensure you had a clean boot without the module to have an untainted kernel. The
class of problems this prevents you from diagnosing are the ones which might,
or might not be caused by the module: bad memory accesses in module code might
result in misbehaviour elsewhere which is tricky to pin down.

Of course you might never have a problem, and many people are happy to run a
local module just like this. Hundreds if not thousands of people run the nvidia
binary module with the same caveats. It's still worth point out, so people can
make their own choice.


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Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 17:36 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 point him to e.g.: ...
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
 
 ...so he can learn how to play with Debian toys 'n tools. ;o)

Grandiose :)

You just forget to CC.

 From: Jon Dowland j...@debian.org
 
 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:48:17AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  Isn't it possible to write to this list, without being subscribed?
  Perhaps this person doesn't receive mails from the list :D, I guess
 we
  need too CC.
 
 It is, but the mailing list code of conduct says
 
  When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon
 copy (CC)
  to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be copied.

In this case I suspect CC is wanted ;). I don't think the OP is
subscribed to this list.


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Re: ..neat wee litigation trap, was: zfs-fuse or zfsonlinux

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:52:49PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 ..another question is, what kinda performance enhanchement can
 zfs-fuse or zfsonlinux deliver, 5%, 50% or even 500%, compared 
 to the best GPL file systems?  And, no risk of vendor lock-in?

Performance is a multi-faceted thing: You might be talking about speed, you
might be talking about speed with different read or write pattern use-cases,
you might be talking about robustness. There are also other important factors
such as sysadmin efficiency to consider. (good tools etc.)


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Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I recommend the OP to switch from Arch to
http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
while I'm writing from Ubuntu ;D ... but in your case I suspect that
Debian stable is what you need.

Somebody might correct me, but IIRC only
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso
 is needed?!

I suspect that Arnt's recommendation is much to hard to understand.

@ the OP: Are you subscribed to Linux user mailing list?

 - Ralf


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