Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[Michelle Konzack]

Am DATE hackte AUTHOR in die Tasten: deloptes
> I think you also qualify for the psychiatrist.
>
> Why would you compare Russia/Stalin with Nazi/Hitler. You are a sick man.
>
> This is the type of propaganda I have been listening for about 25y
> already.
> I do not buy it anyway. In fact the so called free western world,
> especially the EU looks much like the USSR.
> You are naive. I wish both of you luck and enlightment.

Do you think the USA are better?

There are currently several 100 prisoners wihout trial in internation
camps, Jornalists are disappearing, several enqueters are kiulled in
different occasions... 911? Sadam and WMD? All are liar!

And what is this current extra terrest shit?  USA, Russia, China?
I am ex french military and menaced by the french government to shutup!
I know a little bit more then you can imagine and what happen to me
between 1983 and 2007 is definitively beyoud your mind!

1000s of files classified! (only in France)

What about China, USA, Russia?

They are planing to enslave the WHOLE planet!

-- 
Michelle KonzackMiila ITSystems @ TDnet
GNU/Linux Developer 00372-54541400

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[deloptes]

Wilko Fokken wrote:

> You should rethink the Baltic social situation:
> If it hadn't been Stalin, who filled up the Baltic countries with his
> Russian invaders in order to keep control over these countries, but if it
> had been Hitler, who (after his victory) had occupied England and filled
> her up with his Nazi-invaders by about 50 percent in order to prevent the
> British from any further uprising – how should those leftovers of Hitler
> be dealt with today?

I think you also qualify for the psychiatrist.

Why would you compare Russia/Stalin with Nazi/Hitler. You are a sick man. 

This is the type of propaganda I have been listening for about 25y already.
I do not buy it anyway. In fact the so called free western world,
especially the EU looks much like the USSR.
You are naive. I wish both of you luck and enlightment.

regards

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

[David Wright]

On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 20:24:28 (+0100), Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> > Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me?
> 
> Without any customization by anybody it is quite useless.

Lest this give the wrong impression to someone coming across this
post, it's a bit harsh, and would assume that you'd done nothing
with ~/.xsession either.

I hid my ~/.fvwm and restarted fvwm to take a look at the default
configuration. You seem to get 2x2 desks each with 2x2 viewports,
its pager at top right (underneath my clock as it happened), with a
window selector down the right margin. The root window had a well-
populated menu of applications and utilities.

Because I don't use desks but a 5x4 set of viewports, I was limited
in what I could reach as three of the desks are empty. Restoring
.fvwm and restarting fvwm brought everything back to usual.

When I ran startx with no .fvwm, everything in my .xsession started
normally except that many of the xterms were stacked on top of each
other because they were all trapped in a 2x2 desk instead of 5x4.
(Restoring my .fvwm and restarting would still involve dragging
a lot of xterms to their proper places; I didn't bother, but went
back to startx.)

> With reasonable customization by an initial ~/.fvwm2rc and some additions
> by myself, it does for me:
> 
> - Add handles to the windows so i can move, resize, iconify them, and
>   make them "sticky" to the glass of the screen.
> 
> - Define meaning of mouse buttons.

The left one certainly worked in the root window.

> - Set background and create a first xterm after startup of the X Window
>   System.

My dynamic background colours were functioning. Everything in
.xsession started normally.

> - Provide FvwmPager by which i switch between the 8 pages of my
>   virtual desktop.

As I said, a pager was there (obviously lacking my usual buttons).

> - Install FvwmButtons panel with FvwmPager, xclock, "Fvwm2" button with
>   a master menu (very rarely used by me), and a button that creates
>   xterms with bash sessions (often used).
> 
> - Define and perform my private definition of the MS-Windows keys
>   of my keybard:
> Key Super_L A N RaiseLower
> Key Super_R A N RaiseLower
> 
> - Refrain from annoying me with xterm icons with fully active shell dialog:
> Style "XTerm"   IconOverride
> Style "XTerm"   Icon display.xpm
> 
> The rest of graphical programs is started by shell comands in xterms:
> Web browser, PDF reader, own programs ...

Again, a populated root menu is there.

Just to give an indication of fvwm's stability, my ~/.fvwm/config
is dated 2002-04-08. It has 9 hooks: I use init-restart and
post (my main configuration) but I also read "last-post" hook in
the latter. Both init-restart amd last-post are symlinks to
-$HOSTNAME-$[screen] variants, though I haven't used a second
$[screen] since retiring.

Back then, the screens were on separate VDUs differing in size and
resolution. Not xinerama: only the mouse could move between them.
But I've always been accustomed to just one desk per screen.

Going back even further, I remember running X with three resolutions
configured (CtrlAlt+ and CtrlAlt- rotated through the alternatives).
I think this is why I always called fvwm's viewports (as above) by
the term "pages", which is also used by xterm. To me, at that time,
a viewport was the part of the root window you could see at any time,
and it slid around when you moved the mouse against the edge, like
sliding a large placemat on a tray. Viewports in this sense were
the bread and butter of graphics systems like eg GINO.

Cheers,
David.

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[Wilko Fokken]

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 04:21:53PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Michelle Konzack wrote:
> 
> > Am 2018-02-24 hackte deloptes in die Tasten:
> >> But hey, with so many Russians in Estonia, you may be sure that at least
> >> Russia will not nuke you, so be positive about what you have ;-) (irony
> >> off). There are always two sides, you know.
> > 
> > They could try the same as they have done it with Crimea...
> > 
> > There is a group of russians in Estonia which try to do this,
> > but they will get the worst nightmare on the neck...
> > 
> > However, it will take at least two years to get the WHOLE rest
> > of my german and french enterprises to Estonia...  ;-)
> > 
> > Then I am more or less 90% operational.
> > 
> > Maybe I will restart TDAerospace and TDTechnology ;-)
> > 
> > Two enterprises where frenchies have tried to steal my inventions!
> 

>  one is for sure, you need a good psychiatrist and lawyer 


deloptes,

I view your last line a blunder; instead of dealing with Michelle's
arguments, you tell him that he is just a mental case for you.

(As 90 percent of the people regard 90 percent of their fellow humans as
"compleat idiots", you are not alone.)

But don't overlook that this kind of disputing indicates a totalitarian
attitude, culminating in totalitarian countries like the Soviet Union,
where dissidents were easily brought under psychiatrical treatment.

You should rethink the Baltic social situation:
If it hadn't been Stalin, who filled up the Baltic countries with his Russian
invaders in order to keep control over these countries, but if it had been
Hitler, who (after his victory) had occupied England and filled her up with
his Nazi-invaders by about 50 percent in order to prevent the British from
any further uprising – how should those leftovers of Hitler be dealt with
today?

Regards Wilko

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Charlie S]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:17:46 -0600 John Hasler sent:

> BTW you should be editing ~/.fvwm/config if you are using the current
> release.  The 2 was dropped from fvwm2 a long time ago and all fvwm
> related files placed under ~/.fvwm with config being the default
> configuration file.

After contemplation, my reply is:

Thank you,

Learnt something else. I was still using fvwm2rc.

Charlie

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2018 01:24 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Richard Owlett wrote:

Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me?


Without any customization by anybody it is quite useless.


*ROFL*
It may have aesthetic problems. BUT
My real world needs (not glittzy desires) were handled by my:
  1. 8k Commodore PET with "Chiclets" keyboard.
  2. dual 8" floppy, 16k ram, 2MHZ Z80 S100 system.
  3. early production Kaypro 10.
Are you saying that current Debian encumbered with unmodified fvwm can 
not match the productivity of that list?


BTW I *do* have a sense of humor and/or absurd.
Will not admit to what relatives and friends say.

For perspective, I believe adding more than mate-core, marco, and 
Xsystem to a base CLI oriented base Debian install is overkill ;/


Thanks to all.
You may not consider my goals sane.
But you are giving me what I need.

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[tomas]

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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:43:23PM -0600, DebianNewbie wrote:
> Back to the actual question:
> 
> It seems to me the best way to crack a password is to just ask for it.  No
> trickery, no criminal activity, no ethical dilemma; just plain old
> neighborly interchange.  Perhaps you could even offer to pay a percentage of
> the ISP bill or perform a favor in exchange for the password.  
> 
> I know, it's a novel idea, but maybe it's worth a try...

Not that novel: that's what my neighbors actually do.
100% success rate ;-D

Cheers
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Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Richard Owlett wrote:
> Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me?

Without any customization by anybody it is quite useless.

With reasonable customization by an initial ~/.fvwm2rc and some additions
by myself, it does for me:

- Add handles to the windows so i can move, resize, iconify them, and
  make them "sticky" to the glass of the screen.

- Define meaning of mouse buttons.

- Set background and create a first xterm after startup of the X Window
  System.

- Provide FvwmPager by which i switch between the 8 pages of my
  virtual desktop.

- Install FvwmButtons panel with FvwmPager, xclock, "Fvwm2" button with
  a master menu (very rarely used by me), and a button that creates
  xterms with bash sessions (often used).

- Define and perform my private definition of the MS-Windows keys
  of my keybard:
Key Super_L A N RaiseLower
Key Super_R A N RaiseLower

- Refrain from annoying me with xterm icons with fully active shell dialog:
Style "XTerm"   IconOverride
Style "XTerm"   Icon display.xpm

The rest of graphical programs is started by shell comands in xterms:
Web browser, PDF reader, own programs ...


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[David Wright]

On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 12:42:25 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 02/26/2018 10:54 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Am 2018-02-26 hackte Richard Owlett in die Tasten:
> >>I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration:
> >>e.g. 
> >>
> >>I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the
> >>default font size for menus.
> >>
> >>I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only a case of
> >>"not seeing the forest for the trees" but also "not seeing the trees for
> >>the leaves"
> >>
> >>Suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >#fvwm on 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ><
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Selecting from contents of items in your list:
> 1. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-gui-list/1998-November/msg00074.html
>could be thought of as a HOWTO write what I'm looking for.
> 2. 
> http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/faq/#what-exactly-is-the-difference-between-a-desk-a-page-and-the-screen
>is a sample of the writing style/format of what I'm looking.
>As a bonus, it all but explicitly states that the "out of the
> box" configuration of fvwm solves my *PROBLEM*.
> 
> Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me?
> Perhaps I should have used "good advertising copy" rather than
> _Owner's Manual_ or _Operator's Manual_ as an example of what I'm
> looking for.

After making sure you've got a backup of a "good" .fvwm/config
it's very easy to experiment with your configuration. Open the file
in an editor, make some changes and save the file. (Don't exit.)

Click in the root window and you should be able to find a Restart item
on the menu. Click on it and for a moment the windows will all lose
their decorations.  A moment later, they return and you're now running
the new configuration.

Carry on editing, and try something else…ad infinitum.

Cheers,
David.

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2018-02-26 hackte DebianNewbie in die Tasten:
> Back to the actual question:
>
> It seems to me the best way to crack a password is to just ask for it.  No
> trickery, no criminal activity, no ethical dilemma; just plain old
> neighborly interchange.  Perhaps you could even offer to pay a percentage
> of
> the ISP bill or perform a favor in exchange for the password.
>
> I know, it's a novel idea, but maybe it's worth a try...

1+

> Good luck,
> Debian Newbie

-- 
Michelle KonzackMiila ITSystems @ TDnet
GNU/Linux Developer 00372-54541400

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[DebianNewbie]

Back to the actual question:

It seems to me the best way to crack a password is to just ask for it.  No
trickery, no criminal activity, no ethical dilemma; just plain old
neighborly interchange.  Perhaps you could even offer to pay a percentage of
the ISP bill or perform a favor in exchange for the password.  

I know, it's a novel idea, but maybe it's worth a try...


Good luck,
Debian Newbie   

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2018 12:12 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2018-02-26, Richard Owlett  wrote:


Ahh, but a Flocken Elektrowagen might today may be more functional in
some circumstances than a Rolls Royce.



http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/programming/useful/fvwm/index.html


((yes)^((YES)^((*YES*)^(1000

http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/programming/useful/fvwm/viewports/index.html 
*EXPLICITLY* states what I could only infer. It also suggests that if I 
replace whatever window manager MATE uses with fvwm I can have the good 
parts of MATE (its familiarity) and the environmental separation I've 
been chasing. I.E. "I can have my cake and eat it too!"







I only read the nice discussion of "Viewports & Workspaces"; it doesn't tell
you how to do anything (that's elsewhere), but does clarify the terminology.

Maybe somebody already gave you this link (excuse the redundancy if
that's so).

Actually I kind of want a viewport now for myself (I mean one greater
than the physical size of my screen--for the moment it is *exactly* the
size of my physical screen (because I don't really have one really I
guess).

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2018 10:54 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote:

Hi,

Am 2018-02-26 hackte Richard Owlett in die Tasten:

I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration:
e.g. 

I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the
default font size for menus.

I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only a case of
"not seeing the forest for the trees" but also "not seeing the trees for
the leaves"

Suggestions?





#fvwm on 








<





Selecting from contents of items in your list:
1. 
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-gui-list/1998-November/msg00074.html

   could be thought of as a HOWTO write what I'm looking for.
2. 
http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/faq/#what-exactly-is-the-difference-between-a-desk-a-page-and-the-screen

   is a sample of the writing style/format of what I'm looking.
   As a bonus, it all but explicitly states that the "out of the box" 
configuration of fvwm solves my *PROBLEM*.


Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me?
Perhaps I should have used "good advertising copy" rather than _Owner's 
Manual_ or _Operator's Manual_ as an example of what I'm looking for.


Thanks.

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Curt]

On 2018-02-26, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
> Ahh, but a Flocken Elektrowagen might today may be more functional in 
> some circumstances than a Rolls Royce.
>

http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/programming/useful/fvwm/index.html

I only read the nice discussion of "Viewports & Workspaces"; it doesn't tell
you how to do anything (that's elsewhere), but does clarify the terminology.

Maybe somebody already gave you this link (excuse the redundancy if
that's so).

Actually I kind of want a viewport now for myself (I mean one greater
than the physical size of my screen--for the moment it is *exactly* the
size of my physical screen (because I don't really have one really I
guess).

-- 
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-Oscar Wilde

Re: totem not working

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2018-02-26, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
>> https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=totem
>
>thank you Greg for this link.
>Now, I actually got 2 answers,but with so many users, I would expect
>a little more.
>
> best regards,

totem is used internally by various GNOME applications. The popcon data
is probably skewed by that.

-- 

Liam

Re: domain names, was: hostname

[David Wright]

On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 10:45:29 (+), Curt wrote:
> On 2018-02-23, Brian  wrote:
> > On Thu 22 Feb 2018 at 11:58:18 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 18:39:02 (+), Brian wrote:
> >> > On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 10:23:56 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > > $ cat /etc/mailname 
> >> > > alum
> >> > 
> >> > Debian's exim4 README says that mailname should be a FQDN. I find that
> >> > useful for sending mail to "anotheruser".
> >> 
> >> Sorry, but I haven't been able to work out what you mean.
> >> Is "anotheruser" a username on the same system, somebody or
> >> some machine on the LAN, or something different?
> >
> > Exim will qualify all unqualified addresses with mailname. "anotheruser"
> > could be a user on the system or have an email account elsewhere.
> > With mailname as gmail.com a mail sent to or cc'ed to tom123 would go to
> > tom...@gmail.com.
> >
> 
> I'm informed over at the wiki that Exim doesn't read /etc/mailname;
> rather, at configuration time, when requesting the system's "visible
> name," Exim stores the value of visible name in /etc/mailname (amongst
> other places). But it doesn't subsequently read that file for that
> value, and changing /etc/mailname has no effect on Exim.
> 
> You probably already knew this, but there was a certain ambiguity.
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/EtcMailName

There *is* a certain ambiguity. Exim(3) is clearly saying that /e/m
is written whenever you reconfigure exim (in an appropriate manner)
and never read. Exim4 implies the opposite but I'm not sure I believe
the wiki here. Looking at the configuration files, whatever is written
to /e/m is also cached in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated as
ETC_MAILNAME, so exim4 has no need to revisit the file.

Anyway, this is a sideshow: I'm an honest member of this debate and
wouldn't mislead by posting the contents of /e/m if I had changed it
after running   dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config.

Taking stock, and making things more concrete, were I to make my
canonical hostname intofoo.homewhat exactly does "home"
buy me?

The answer so far seems to be thatHELO foo.homewill
open doors to "mail servers" that might previously have been firmly
shut. However, it's not clear to me that the people saying this
aren't relaying mail on port 25 (leaving aside 465)..

I'm more interested in the "home LAN", where people are submitting
new messages (usually on port 587) to systems that naturally,
nowadays, require authentication more rigorous than a matching
domainname and dotty address.

Cheers,
David.

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[John Hasler]

Richard Owlett writes:
> I remember 026's as the normal input device and a UART was square
> inches of a double sided board.

So do I.  I kept on learning.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[Dan Ritter]

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:57:03AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Long Wind wrote:
> 
> > but this is China, we have very low moral standard than you(your email
> > shows that you are from USA) the big ? in China is freedomgoogle,
> > facebook, twitter ... are all blocked by governmentif we demand justice,
> > these should receive more priority than stealing (sharing) bandwidth
> 
> Sometimes I think it might be worth blocking google or the stupid social
> media platforms. Google as search engine is the only thing I use, but I can
> imagine there would be other ways to find information if google was banned.
> 
> So do not think that we all here on the other side like google or facebook.
> 

Duck Duck Go is a search engine with a privacy commitment.

https://duckduckgo.com

-dsr-

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2018 10:32 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 02/26/2018 09:23 AM, David Wright wrote:


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/02/msg00752.html

Two of the references there were straightforward to use when I posted
this, but now you'll have to temporarily accept an expired certificate.


Already had them bookmarked.
They, like , might be
compared to an _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an
_Operator's Manual_.

The target audience of what I'm looking for would have no need to edit
.fvwm2rc .

I've already made some modifications to .fvwm2rc and have in mind some
more for which I'll be doing a detailed read of references I already have.


For most people, fvwm usage *is* at the level of editing the
config. Depending on the changes you might have made in the config, it
can behave massively differently to how it works for somebody
else. The default config as-shipped is basically just a bare-bones
example of what you might do with fvwm; it's a framework for you to
build your own desktop.



Ahh, but a Flocken Elektrowagen might today may be more functional in 
some circumstances than a Rolls Royce.

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2018 10:17 AM, John Hasler wrote:

Richard Owlett writes:

Already had them bookmarked.  They, like
, might be compared to an
_Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an _Operator's
Manual_.



The target audience of what I'm looking for would have no need to edit
.fvwm2rc .


The target market for fvwm is people like me who want a sort of diy
desktop environment kit.


Yes but 
I have a specific need. Might be served by KDE workspaces (ww?).
My my reading suggests Desktops of Pages in fvwm may be appropriate.
After wandering down some strange byways I got fvwm from Debian 
repository installed. It works out of the box.


I need an orientation to fvwm in its default configuration.
I beginning to suspect it may *WITHOUT TWEAKING* get the job done. Just 
not by any facility of the path I was contemplating. I.E. To get from 
Staten Island to Santa Cruz one need not use the Suez Canal.



If you want your window manager to do what you
want rather than what someone else thinks you should be comfortable with
you have to learn how to make it do what you want.  The more choices,
the more there is to learn.


I remember 026's as the normal input device and a UART was square inches 
of a double sided board.




BTW you should be editing ~/.fvwm/config if you are using the current
release.  The 2 was dropped from fvwm2 a long time ago and all fvwm
related files placed under ~/.fvwm with config being the default
configuration file.



That was a typo. I've been reading too much old documentation.

Re: totem not working

[Curt]

On 2018-02-26, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
>> https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=totem
>
>thank you Greg for this link.
>Now, I actually got 2 answers,but with so many users, I would expect
>a little more.

I pressed 'm' in Totem and also got a search box (or whatever they're
called).

I don't play DVDs and had no DVD in the player (which is in the other
room because I yanked it out of this machine for reasons extraneous to
the thread).

I read that gxine has 'full menu navigation support'; it is available in
Debian Stretch, but doesn't seem actively developped (as opposed to
actively maintained)---inference drawn from a gander at the web site.

http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236

> best regards,


-- 
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-Oscar Wilde

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[Luis Speciale]

Le 26/02/2018 à 17:54, Charlie Gibbs a écrit :

On 25/02/18 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:


Long Wind wrote:


but this is China, we have very low moral standard than you(your email
shows that you are from USA) the big ? in China is freedomgoogle,
facebook, twitter ... are all blocked by governmentif we demand justice,
these should receive more priority than stealing (sharing) bandwidth


Sometimes I think it might be worth blocking google or the stupid social
media platforms. Google as search engine is the only thing I use, but 
I can
imagine there would be other ways to find information if google was 
banned.


Certainly there is.  Try DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com), MapQuest
(https://www.mapquest.com), etc.



And Qwant too

https://www.qwant.com

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hi,

Am 2018-02-26 hackte Richard Owlett in die Tasten:
> I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration:
> e.g. 
>
> I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the
> default font size for menus.
>
> I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only a case of
> "not seeing the forest for the trees" but also "not seeing the trees for
> the leaves"
>
> Suggestions?




#fvwm on 








<

-- 
Michelle KonzackMiila ITSystems @ TDnet
GNU/Linux Developer 00372-54541400

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[Charlie Gibbs]

On 25/02/18 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:


Long Wind wrote:


but this is China, we have very low moral standard than you(your email
shows that you are from USA) the big ? in China is freedomgoogle,
facebook, twitter ... are all blocked by governmentif we demand justice,
these should receive more priority than stealing (sharing) bandwidth


Sometimes I think it might be worth blocking google or the stupid social
media platforms. Google as search engine is the only thing I use, but I can
imagine there would be other ways to find information if google was banned.


Certainly there is.  Try DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com), MapQuest
(https://www.mapquest.com), etc.


So do not think that we all here on the other side like google or facebook.


My machine is now a Google-free zone (and Facebook-free, etc.).

--
cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[Charlie Gibbs]

On 24/02/18 08:44 PM, John Hasler wrote:


Jason writes:

>

Maybe the 'golden rule' could apply here: "Do to others as you wish
them to do to you." Simple and universal.


"Do unto others as they would wish you to do onto them."  Not everyone
shares your values.


Q: What's the difference between a sadist and a masochist?
A: A masochist says, "Beat me."  A sadist says, "No."

--
cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)

Re: totem not working

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Greg Wooledge wrote:


https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=totem


  thank you Greg for this link.
  Now, I actually got 2 answers,but with so many users, I would expect
  a little more.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Steve McIntyre]

Richard Owlett wrote:
>On 02/26/2018 09:23 AM, David Wright wrote:
>> 
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/02/msg00752.html
>> 
>> Two of the references there were straightforward to use when I posted
>> this, but now you'll have to temporarily accept an expired certificate.
>
>Already had them bookmarked.
>They, like , might be 
>compared to an _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an 
>_Operator's Manual_.
>
>The target audience of what I'm looking for would have no need to edit 
>.fvwm2rc .
>
>I've already made some modifications to .fvwm2rc and have in mind some 
>more for which I'll be doing a detailed read of references I already have.

For most people, fvwm usage *is* at the level of editing the
config. Depending on the changes you might have made in the config, it
can behave massively differently to how it works for somebody
else. The default config as-shipped is basically just a bare-bones
example of what you might do with fvwm; it's a framework for you to
build your own desktop.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
"Every time you use Tcl, God kills a kitten." -- Malcolm Ray

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[John Hasler]

Richard Owlett writes:
> Already had them bookmarked.  They, like
> , might be compared to an
> _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an _Operator's
> Manual_.

> The target audience of what I'm looking for would have no need to edit
> .fvwm2rc .

The target market for fvwm is people like me who want a sort of diy
desktop environment kit.  If you want your window manager to do what you
want rather than what someone else thinks you should be comfortable with
you have to learn how to make it do what you want.  The more choices,
the more there is to learn.

BTW you should be editing ~/.fvwm/config if you are using the current
release.  The 2 was dropped from fvwm2 a long time ago and all fvwm
related files placed under ~/.fvwm with config being the default
configuration file.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2018 09:23 AM, David Wright wrote:

On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 08:15:44 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:

I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration:
e.g. 

I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and
the default font size for menus.

I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only a case of
"not seeing the forest for the trees" but also "not seeing the trees
for the leaves"

Suggestions?


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/02/msg00752.html

Two of the references there were straightforward to use when I posted
this, but now you'll have to temporarily accept an expired certificate.



Already had them bookmarked.
They, like , might be 
compared to an _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an 
_Operator's Manual_.


The target audience of what I'm looking for would have no need to edit 
.fvwm2rc .


I've already made some modifications to .fvwm2rc and have in mind some 
more for which I'll be doing a detailed read of references I already have.

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[David Wright]

On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 08:15:44 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration:
> e.g. 
> 
> I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and
> the default font size for menus.
> 
> I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only a case of
> "not seeing the forest for the trees" but also "not seeing the trees
> for the leaves"
> 
> Suggestions?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/02/msg00752.html

Two of the references there were straightforward to use when I posted
this, but now you'll have to temporarily accept an expired certificate.

> TIA

Don't mention it.

Cheers,
David.

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2018 08:54 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Richard Owlett wrote:

http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html


That's a quick tour through a few gestures of fvwm.
Maybe it gives you some ideas for playing with the configuration.
But obviously you want something different.



"not seeing the trees for the leaves"


Ok. What forest do you want to be in and what trees do you want to hug ?
I.e. what are the results you want to achieve ?


Extending the analogy, perhaps to the breaking point, I want to view the 
forest from 10,000 feet.




We have several fvwm users here. Maybe one of us has a solution at hand.
After some exercise and with the man pages or web tutorials you will have
better chances to get what you need.



Assume your department hires a new computer literate clerk typist.
Your system administrator has configured all your machines.
What would the new clerk need/want to read to do useful work.

Re: Is Debian Linux protected against the Meltdown and Spectre security flaws?

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Curt wrote:
> What does that mean 'bugs   : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2
> exactly?

It it is supposed to mean your processor has those defects.  It does not
say anything about the mitigation strategy being employed to avoid those
defects.

Obviously, that thing is buggy, since it is listing cpu_meltdown on an
AMD box...  meh.

Hopefully to be corrected by the next round of kernel updates, along
with an updated Intel microcode blacklist, required to use the microcode
updates Intel "un-recalled" :p

> curty@einstein:~$ grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/meltdown:Not affected

At least this one is correct...

> /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v1:Mitigation: __user
> pointer sanitization
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Mitigation: Full AMD
> retpoline

And so are those.

> The directly above seems more comforting in its verbose clarity somehow.

Indeed.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Richard Owlett wrote:
> http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html

That's a quick tour through a few gestures of fvwm.
Maybe it gives you some ideas for playing with the configuration.
But obviously you want something different.


> "not seeing the trees for the leaves"

Ok. What forest do you want to be in and what trees do you want to hug ?
I.e. what are the results you want to achieve ?

We have several fvwm users here. Maybe one of us has a solution at hand.
After some exercise and with the man pages or web tutorials you will have
better chances to get what you need.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Curt]

On 2018-02-26, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration:
> e.g. 
>
> I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the 
> default font size for menus.
>
> I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only a case of 
> "not seeing the forest for the trees" but also "not seeing the trees for 
> the leaves"

Try the "Lumberjack" or "Deciduous" theme.

> Suggestions?
> TIA
>
>
>


-- 
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-Oscar Wilde

An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

[Richard Owlett]

I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration:
e.g. 

I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the 
default font size for menus.


I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only a case of 
"not seeing the forest for the trees" but also "not seeing the trees for 
the leaves"


Suggestions?
TIA

Re: Is Debian Linux protected against the Meltdown and Spectre security flaws?

[Curt]

On 2018-02-23, Reco  wrote:

> So it seems. New kernel came today with the usual 'apt update && apt
> upgrade' routine:
>
> $ uname -r
> 4.9.0-6-amd64
>
> $ grep bug /proc/cpuinfo
> bugs: cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2
> ...

What does that mean 'bugs   : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2
exactly?

curty@einstein:~$ grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/meltdown:Not affected
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v1:Mitigation: __user
pointer sanitization
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Mitigation: Full AMD
retpoline

The directly above seems more comforting in its verbose clarity somehow.

> Reco
>
>


-- 
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-Oscar Wilde

Re: totem not working

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 04:15:59PM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> up to now, I got no answer, but I would be interested, at least,
> to know whether anybody here actually uses it.

https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=totem

full screen display correction not possible with this profile (color)

[Anil Duggirala]

hello,
I am getting this note  full screen display correction not possible
with this profile" in the Color settings in Gnome, next to the my color
profile. Does this mean my color profile is not being used to display
stuff on my screen now? 
thanks,

Re: Problems with wget

[tomas]

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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 07:00:24AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...]

> >Ad (2) you want option -k. Quoth the man page:
> >
> >-k
> >--convert-links
> >After the download is complete, convert the links in
> >the document to make them suitable for local viewing...
> 
> 
> However, that usage causes wget to complain saying:
> >Cannot specify both -k or --convert-file-only and -O if multiple URLs are 
> >given, or in combination
> >with -p or -r. See the manual for details.

The culprit is most probably -O. You are downloading several
files: wget can't make one big html file out of that mess
(at least not without breaking anything). If you let go of
option -O, wget will create a directory hierarchy mirroring
the URL hierarchy, and -k will take care of fixing internal
links. At the "leaves" the links have to point outwards,
of course...

cheers
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Re: Problems with wget

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/26/2018 06:50 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 06:40:02AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm attempting to download a site which is an instruction manual.
Its URL is of the form
http://example.com/index.html
That page has several lines whose target URLs are of form
http://example.com/page1.html
http://example.com/page2.html
http://example.com/page3.html
   etc.

I wish a single HTML file consisting of all the pages of the site.
Where  points to
 I wish my local file to have
appropriate internal references.
There are references of form
http://some_where_else.com/pagex.html
which I do not wish to download.



I tried
wget  -l 2 -O owl.html ‐‐no-parent http://example.com/index.html
It *almost* worked as intended.
I did get all the text of the site.

HOWEVER:
   1. I also got the text of 
   2. Where  referenced
   there were still references to
  the original site rather than a relative link within owl.html .



Ad (1): this is strange. By default wget doesn't "span" hosts,
   i.e. doesn't follow links to other hosts unless you specify
   that with -H (--span-hosts).

Ad (2) you want option -k. Quoth the man page:

-k
--convert-links
After the download is complete, convert the links in
the document to make them suitable for local viewing...



However, that usage causes wget to complain saying:

Cannot specify both -k or --convert-file-only and -O if multiple URLs are 
given, or in combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.

Re: Problems with wget

[tomas]

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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 06:40:02AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm attempting to download a site which is an instruction manual.
> Its URL is of the form
>http://example.com/index.html
> That page has several lines whose target URLs are of form
>http://example.com/page1.html
>http://example.com/page2.html
>http://example.com/page3.html
>   etc.
> 
> I wish a single HTML file consisting of all the pages of the site.
> Where  points to
>  I wish my local file to have
> appropriate internal references.
> There are references of form
>http://some_where_else.com/pagex.html
> which I do not wish to download.
> 
> 
> 
> I tried
> wget  -l 2 -O owl.html ‐‐no-parent http://example.com/index.html
> It *almost* worked as intended.
> I did get all the text of the site.
> 
> HOWEVER:
>   1. I also got the text of 
>   2. Where  referenced
>   there were still references to
>  the original site rather than a relative link within owl.html .


Ad (1): this is strange. By default wget doesn't "span" hosts,
  i.e. doesn't follow links to other hosts unless you specify
  that with -H (--span-hosts).

Ad (2) you want option -k. Quoth the man page:

   -k
   --convert-links
   After the download is complete, convert the links in
   the document to make them suitable for local viewing.
   This affects not only the visible hyperlinks, but any
   part of the document that links to external content,
   such as embedded images, links to style sheets,
   hyperlinks to non-HTML content, etc.

   Each link will be changed in one of the two ways:
   [...]

HTH
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Problems with wget

[Richard Owlett]

I'm attempting to download a site which is an instruction manual.
Its URL is of the form
   http://example.com/index.html
That page has several lines whose target URLs are of form
   http://example.com/page1.html
   http://example.com/page2.html
   http://example.com/page3.html
  etc.

I wish a single HTML file consisting of all the pages of the site.
Where  points to 
 I wish my local file to have appropriate 
internal references.

There are references of form
   http://some_where_else.com/pagex.html
which I do not wish to download.



I tried
wget  -l 2 -O owl.html ‐‐no-parent http://example.com/index.html
It *almost* worked as intended.
I did get all the text of the site.

HOWEVER:
  1. I also got the text of 
  2. Where  referenced
  there were still references to
 the original site rather than a relative link within owl.html .

Can wget actually do what I want?
If so how?
TIA

Re: totem not working

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Louis Wust wrote:


Did you try pressing "m" when a video was loaded? One of my test DVDs
took a while to load while the system was "retrieving" CSS keys (as
indicated by a message on stdout).


  the dvd is surely loaded, as I see it with vlc.

difficult to understand why, with the same OS version, it doesn't work
for me.
Anyway, as I said in an other post, I found a working configuration
for vlc, and then it's useless to waste more time with totem.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: totem not working

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, terryc wrote:


I've jst installed it to try and it is IMO cude.
Try something like
totem /path/to/file
Which is what worked for me. I just pointed to a sub directory that


  you are lucky, as when I do the same thing, I get either a black screen,
  or an inverted video
  what is your OS?
  fortunately, I  was able to find a working configuration for vlc.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: domain names, was: hostname

[Curt]

On 2018-02-23, Brian  wrote:
> On Thu 22 Feb 2018 at 11:58:18 -0600, David Wright wrote:
>
>> On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 18:39:02 (+), Brian wrote:
>> > On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 10:23:56 -0600, David Wright wrote:
>> > 
>> > > $ cat /etc/mailname 
>> > > alum
>> > 
>> > Debian's exim4 README says that mailname should be a FQDN. I find that
>> > useful for sending mail to "anotheruser".
>> 
>> Sorry, but I haven't been able to work out what you mean.
>> Is "anotheruser" a username on the same system, somebody or
>> some machine on the LAN, or something different?
>
> Exim will qualify all unqualified addresses with mailname. "anotheruser"
> could be a user on the system or have an email account elsewhere.
> With mailname as gmail.com a mail sent to or cc'ed to tom123 would go to
> tom...@gmail.com.
>

I'm informed over at the wiki that Exim doesn't read /etc/mailname;
rather, at configuration time, when requesting the system's "visible
name," Exim stores the value of visible name in /etc/mailname (amongst
other places). But it doesn't subsequently read that file for that
value, and changing /etc/mailname has no effect on Exim.

You probably already knew this, but there was a certain ambiguity.

https://wiki.debian.org/EtcMailName


-- 
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-Oscar Wilde

Re: [RESOLVED] -- Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

[Curt]

On 2018-02-24, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
> I had used netinst to do a base command line only install followed by 
> doing "apt-get install fvwm".
>
> Didn't work. It needed "apt-get install xorg lightdm".

It worked perfectly.

-- 
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-Oscar Wilde

Re: need help on cracking wireless password

[tomas]

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On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:31:39AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> tomas writes:
> > There sure are other options. At first you've to get used to it,
> > because part of Google's better hit rate stems from the fact that they
> > know you (which, while from a purely technical POV is a Good Thing,
> > from a societal POV is a disaster, IMHO).
> 
> I use Google Search a lot, but they don't "know" me: no cookies and no
> scripts.  I've tried allowing their scripts and cookies and find that I
> prefer their search engine vanilla.

That's good :-)

Still they *can* know more than you care about: IP address tracking plus
browser fingerprinting (plus the fact that they have their bugs in most
of the web pages out there) go a long way.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not talking paranoia here. Paranoia is unhealthy,
and once you realize you're losing sleep over it, you should just stop
caring. But I don't want to make their job (which is sticking their nose
in my private affairs) all too easy. And a diversity of approaches is,
I think, key.

> I do miss the ability to create complex search expressions as was
> possible with AltaVista, though.

Yes. Especially this "documents similar to these", which allowed to
refine a search was gold.

Cheers
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