Re: Exim and SMTP on an internet gateway
On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 10:03:08AM +0100, David Knudsen wrote: I've been reading some docs and googled for answers, but still need help setting up exim (or another MTA, suggestions?) on our internet gateway. SHORT VERSION I want exim to accept inbound SMTP for our domain from the internet, and forward it to our internal mail server. I want exim to accept outgoing SMTP from our domain, and forward it to the ISP smarthost. Later I want to plug anti-virus and anti-spam tools into exim, to prevent unwanted emails from being sent or received. That is a question for another day, though. TECHNICAL DETAILS We have a simple local network, in the 10.0.0.0/24 address range that is standard for Microsoft Small Business Server networks. The server (server2.ourdomain.no) at 10.0.0.2 is running MS Exchange, which is our main mailserver. The gateway (gator.ourdomain.no, running Debian/stable) at 10.0.0.1 is running iptables and masquerading, as well as some proxies. The second NIC has a permanent, public IP and is connected to the DSL-router that provides our internet connection. All outgoing mail is sent via the smarthost provided by our ISP. It seems easy enough to make exim accept all mail for ourdomain and forward outgoing mail to the ISP smarthost. However, local delivery of mail to ourdomain is not what I need ... I want _that_ mail forwarded 10.0.0.2. Surely, this must be a common situation? Could someone please help me configure exim to do this, or point me at the right docs. Unfortunately, the docs at www.exim.org didn't mention this scenario. I'm sure that I could do this if I fully understood the exim docs, but alas - I have not fully digested them yet. I have done this many places, and am doing exactly this here at BNL. The machine smtpgw.bnl.gov is publicly advertised as a 'wildcard' MX host for all BNL machince, meaning, all mail gets delivered to this machine, when inbound to our facility. However, none of those machines or subdomains are listed in the local_domains line it exim.conf. So, this machine will take delivery as the MX host, look at each email, say, nope, this isn't mine and try to deliver to the real machine. Now, we have a split-dns setup, so the hosts/IPs seen outside our firewall don't actually point to the real machines in most cases, and the SMTP gateway uses our internal DNS, so knows how to deliver mail properly. Without split DNS, you can do this with creative use of /etc/hosts (I think) but DNS/MX would do the job for you. Tim -- Tim Sailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Application Services Information Technology Division Brookhaven National Laboratory (631) 344-3001 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network Throughput
I have a Debian box with 2 NICs. Both 100Meg, running in full duplex. This machine is running as a ftp proxy. As part of the traffic going through the box, some streams have 1000k window size for a certain reason. How do I tune the NICs to handle the streams better? There are ways of doing this on other OSs. Right now, the box only does about 1.8Mb when it should be doing 80+Mb. Thanks, Tim PS: This is really something to do with the window size and WAN latency. The box does well when traffic goes in one NIC and out the other, as long as the end point is local When it hits the WAN, it all dies. Traffic not going through the box just flies rignt along. -- Tim Sailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cyber Security Operations Brookhaven National Laboratory (631) 344-3001
Mailman
I seem to have broken mailman, and I'm not sure how. I keep getting these lines over and over in the /var/log/mailman/error file: Sep 05 00:19:01 2000 (2815) Delivery exception: read-only character buffer, NoneSep 05 00:19:01 2000 (2815) Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py, line 173, in process if mlist.require_explicit_destination and \ File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 1213, in HasExplicitDest addr = string.lower(addr) TypeError: read-only character buffer, None Does anyone know what is wrong, and/or how to fix it? Thanks, Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps The courage to imagine the otherwise is our greatest resource, adding color and suspense to all our life. - Daniel J. Boorstin ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.**
Squid
Has anyone seen this problem? I'm running squid in a mostly MS shop here, and some SSL connections through squid just don't work. I get things like: Jul 24 18:03:10 squid1 squid[6774]: sslReadClient: FD 27: read failure: (104) +Connection reset by peer Jul 24 18:03:10 squid1 squid[6774]: sslReadClient: FD 25: read failure: (104) +Connection reset by peer Jul 24 18:03:10 squid1 squid[6774]: sslReadClient: FD 30: read failure: (104) +Connection reset by peer Jul 24 18:25:01 squid1 squid[6774]: sslReadClient: FD 26: read failure: (104) +Connection reset by peer Jul 24 18:27:19 squid1 squid[6774]: sslReadClient: FD 27: read failure: (104) +Connection reset by peer Jul 24 18:27:19 squid1 squid[6774]: sslReadClient: FD 36: read failure: (104) +Connection reset by peer Jul 24 18:27:19 squid1 squid[6774]: sslReadClient: FD 40: read failure: (104) +Connection reset by peer over and over again throughout the day. Sometimes I get complaints about the secure connections not working, sometimes not. Any pointers? Please CC me directly on the answers. Thanks, Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.**
ssh and PAM
In machine logs from any machine running ssh, I get: Jan 10 13:14:31 adm2 PAM_unix[17793]: authentication failure; (uid=0) - rac for ssh service and ssh still works. On machines that have a lot of use of ssh, this gets hard to see anything that is really wrong due to the noise. What can I do the quiet this down? Thanks, Tim PS: Please cc me since I can't keep up with the volume on debian-user -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps A desk is a dangerous place from which to view the world. -- John le Carre' ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.**
Serial Console
Has anyone actually gotten the serial console stuff to work with the newer kernels? It works to a point, with lilo allowing input from the serial port, and the initial kernel messages going to the port, but right after it initializes the swap, all I/O stops at the serial port. When the system is rebooted, the shutdown messages go to the port. I'm clueless at this point... Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Actually, I *do* know everything. I just don't get paid enough to show it. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.**
Palm Pilot software
Is there any other software available like the KDE's kpilot? I'd love to convert the use of my Pilot to pure Linux, but the KDE stuff is questionable, and kpilot in Debian is broken due to libs. I'm looking for something that will sync the Pilot, backup/restore, install new software, and have a working email conduit. Or is it possible to convert the KDE app to gtk or something? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Any jackass can kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build it. -- Sam Rayburn ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
xterm
It seems like somewhere along the way, xterms stopped calling themselves 'xterm' but 'xterm-debian'. Nice. The rest of the world has no idea what a 'xterm-debian' is. What do I have to hack to make it back into 'xterm'? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Paranoia is a heightened state of awareness. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: portslave and AutoPPP
Peter Shtinkov wrote: Can anyone help me to turn on AutoPPP with portslave1.16, on Debian 1.3.1 ? I have a page set up on configuring portslave at http://www.buoy.com/isp Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New imap saves all mail to $HOME/mbox ????
Alexander Stavitsky wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 03:25:53AM -0400, Alexander Stavitsky wrote: Since I installed imap 4.1.BETA-1 every time I access my mailbox by IMAP it dissapears. Actually everything is saved in $HOME/mbox and mail spool file is empty. What mail client are you using? Have you changed it recently? I think it would be more responsible for where your mail goes than imapd itself. I use fetchmail and I do not think I upgraded it recently, although I might be wrong. This happens even if I telnet to port 143 and just check how many messages I have. Besides, imap server still counts those in mbox as messages. It looks like it concatenates mbox and /var/spool/mail/$USER when showing user's INBOX. That's why I think it's impa problem, not client problem. Nutscrape takes a look at every file/directory in your home dir and treats it as a mailbox.. :( Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ficticious login
Bob Nielsen wrote: On 15 Apr 1998, Ben Pfaff wrote: Occassionally running 'who' shows something like: nielsen ttyp1Apr 15 08:49 (:0.0) There have been no network logins, however. What would cause this indication? Running an xterm. Strange...removing the xterm killed the listing with 'w' but it's still there with 'who' (even after exiting x altogether). Hrm.. I see the same thing.. mostly with xterms.. but, wu-ftp sessions never seem to log out either... how bazaar... Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quad PPro systems
Does anyone have any experience with quad PPro systems? I'm bringing up a few boxes, and after 2-120 mins, we get IRQ DEADLOCK ON PROCESSOR X where X is 1-3. Can anyone offer any suggestions? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. - Warren Buffett ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is SPI moot?
Britton wrote: I thought Bruce was continuing to head up SPI (which I though was dedicated to serving free software in general). Correct. SPI is still intact. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps You may be right, I may be crazy Billy Joel ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help About SPARC
Pancho Horrillo wrote: Anybody has tried hamm in a Sparc? If so, is it available in NFS somewhere? nfs llug.sep.bnl.gov:/home/pub/debian Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Why am I soft in the middle, and the rest of my life is so hard? Paul Simon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aic7xxx + IBM DCAS 4.3GB = LI
Jay Barbee wrote: before changing boot=/dev/sda1 to boot=/dev/sda I got 1FA: instead of LILO. Now I'm getting LI - I've had Suse on the system and no problems at boot. I don't want to re-install Suse again just to get this problem solved. I was not sure if you had gotten a reply... The LI problem is not really an OS problem, but the bootloader problem. It could be a problem with a partition table, but in most cases, i simply have to boot a rescue disk, mounting my root partition (/dev/sda1) and rerunning LILO again. I did have a similar problem when a partitioning table got corrupt, but we will not tackle that now. I have also added the line 'linear' to lilo.conf and rerun lilo, and it has worked. It stopping at the LI (IIRC) was a drive geometry problem. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps I have abandonded my search for the Truth, and now am looking for a good fantasy... Ashleigh Brilliant ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debianized Netscape for Debian 1.3.1 ?
Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, shaul wrote: Is there any Debianized Netscape for Debian 1.3.1 except for the probably obsolete (and also problematic) Netscape 3.01 (Navigator) ? Yes, I am still working on it. The new version of communicator4.05, and netscape4.05, allow for redistribution. They won't work on hamm, as they are compiled for libc6. There is nothing I can do to change that. Also, they Strange.. I thought hamm was libc6... Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Camp food always tastes better in the dark! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I love Bill!
W Paul Mills wrote: I really enjoy his wonderful nonoperating system! It give me so many chances to waste hours trying to undo the things it decides are best for me. :) Windowsn't 4.0 is a huge beast that has not too much more dis-functionality than Lose95.. And Internet Destroyer IV, what a lovely browser for ALL my computing needs. Ah.. good old Internet Exploder... Why just last week I lost about three days to trying to undo the things he did to my system without asking. I really love that. I think I will rush out and buy a couple more systems, so I can fill up the rest of my spare time. No more boring days. Every day will be lived to it's fullest. WOW! No wonder BILL is the only game in town! Big Bill.. He da man! :) He's also scared.. I heard from my contact at Intel that they (MS) are now going over Mozilla sources on their Linux boxen (they seem to be using RH :( ), trying to see how much this will hurt them.. Gotta love it.. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FTP login incorrect when user specified
Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: If hosts.allow/hosts.deny were preventing you you'd never get a login prompt. Correct. gunfried geiger wrote: Dear Linux Experts, what might be the reason for the following behaviour of FTP when trying to log into my Linux device: the client shows 'connected to 134.2.4.8' but after specifying the user and the CORRECT password, it shows: '530 Login incorrect. Login failed' It can't be a problem of the hosts.allow and hosts.deny class i presume ? This is mostl likely a snafu caused by installing lshell and /etc/shells not getting updated... Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
diald
I was trying to get a friend switched over from freeBSD to Debian today. All went fairly well. This was my first experience with pppconfig, and it worked slick! Good job! Now, to the problem. I wanted to get diald working for him. I think I have everything set up the way it should be, but when I run '/etc/init.d/diald start', in daemon.log I see: Mar 28 20:18:29 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1 Mar 28 20:19:34 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1 Mar 28 20:20:18 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1 Mar 28 20:23:42 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1 Mar 28 20:26:26 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1 Mar 28 20:32:58 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1 Each time diald tried to start, I get one of those lines. Diald doesnt start of course. What am I missing here, folks? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It works better if you plug it in. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
portslave on hamm
Has anyone gotten portslave to work on a hamm system? I am using .16 of portslave, and no matter what I do on the hamm box, I get PAP authentication errors, while an identical bo box (both with 32 ports) authenticates fine. I'm running cistron's radiusd on both boxes, and the radtest runs fine against either system... Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Now and then an innocent man is sent to the legislature. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NFS client for win95?
Rob Goodwin wrote: does anybody know of a client for win95 that will allow me to map a linux drive across the network? perferably something that is a free download. Use the built-in windows networking (with tcp/ip) and install samba on the linux box. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps People call it take-home pay because there is no other place you can afford to go with it. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anybody know how to tell for how long has ppp-if been up?
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcelo_E=2E_Magall=F3n?= wrote: I'm looking into hacking asmodem/wmppp to make one of them display for how long has the ppp line been up, but I don't have a clue on how to do that. Any ideas? How about looking at the time/date the tty lock file was created? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps I have never found that criticism is ever inhibited by ignorance. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ppp problem
RUSSELL COOK wrote: Hello! I am now able to connect to my ISP. I was placing the 'noauth' option = in the wrong file! I finally figured out how to correctly place it in = /etc/ppp/peers/provider. Now, the link comes up, but I get this error = from pppd - pppd[158]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP. Where should I look for the cause of this error? Look in the same file. Remove the 'proxyarp' keyword. Or, it may be in /etc/ppp/options . I don't have an untouched system to look at offhand. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Life is like riding a bicycle. You don't fall off unless you stop pedaling. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mon
Roderick Schertler wrote: 1) Is df.pm debianized? Nope, and it's my fault. I posted my intent to package it to debian-devel, found that the module has a copyright which accidentally prohibits anybody from distributing it at all, then forgot to contact the author about the copyright! I'll write him right now, I hope he gets back in time for me to get the package into hamm before the freeze. I got it from CPAN myself, but it would be cool to have in Debian. 2) Is tcp_scan part of a debian package yet? This is reputed to come with SATAN. I don't think there's a package of It's a horrible perl hack really tied to a working SATAN install. Maybe someone could hack it to work stand-alone.. SATAN or of just tcp_scan available. I haven't looked into packaging it. The only monitors which require it are telnet.monitor and tcp.monitor, BTW. Yup.. the 2 that I'm looking at.. :) Alternately, one can probably use netcat to do what tcp_scan does, at least for the simple uses mon puts it to. I might find out what the those tcp_scan args to and supply nc-based variants. 'nc -t hostname 23', but you have to wait to have the login timeout. tcp_scan is just looking for 'login:'. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Why not go out on a limb? Isn't that where the fruit is? -- Frank Scully ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What SCSI should I buy?
Nico De Ranter wrote: Howdy, a friend of mine wants to buy a scsi-card. His options are: Adaptec 2940 UW 300$ Adaptec 2930 (U) 180$ Advansys UW180$ Advansys U 150$ Diamond fireport (UW ?) 180$ The only semi-viable choice is the 2940UW.. The Buslogic cards are my current favorite. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Great successes are built on taking your negatives and turning them around. -- Sumner Redstone ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mon
I'm playing with mon as a packaged alternative to nocol, and I have 2 questions: 1) Is df.pm debianized? 2) Is tcp_scan part of a debian package yet? Both of these are used by mon.. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Why not go out on a limb? Isn't that where the fruit is? -- Frank Scully ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Barcodes
Does anyone know (not that this is real Debian specific) of a program that given a number, would generate a gif/jpg/tiff/whatever of a 3-of-9 barcode? Thanks, Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps We will either find a way, or make one. Hannibal ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Terminal server
Chuck Peters wrote: Our livingston PM2e (30 port) has gone catatonic on us as we were attempting to renumber the IP's to move over to our new connectivity provided by West Chester Univ. I have a trouble ticket into Livingston, but I fear we may have to ship the Port Monster back to livingston and experience an extended down time. I have a couple of linux boxes set up their and could easily install 4 or more modems as a temporary measure. The Port Monster (cthulhu.ccil.org) and the BSDi 3.1 Box (locke.ccil.org) use radius to authenicate logins. The problem is I haven't set up radius before and I would like to have the Linux boxes act as the terminal servers for the BSD box. Can this be done and how do I do it? http://www.buoy.com/isp Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Time flies like an arrow... Fruit Flies like a Banana! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: r* commands don't work
Richard G. Roberto wrote: I opened up .rhosts for root, hosts.equiv for everyone else, and even .rhosts for myself, but to no avail. I have no hosts.allow or hosts.deny file, nor am I using tcpd at all. Host names resolve via DNS or /etc/hosts with no problem. I tried having the hostname returned by uname -n be fully qualified just in case the linux r* commands are picky about that, but they shouldn't be with a + in these files! Nothing works, and its pretty annoying. It really renders the project useless if I can't get root access without needing passwords since I need to do stuff in scripts. I need rsh as well as rdist capabilities. Ssh is not an option at the moment, and really isn't the issue anyway. Part of the security behind the .rhosts files are that they will not work unless they are mode 644. This way only the owner can add to them. Make sure the ownership is correct too. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps You mind if I smoke? Joan D'Arc ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dselect nfs question
Nathan E Norman wrote: This question is overly vague; sorry ... I started playing with nfs today (nothing like a little excitement on a friday). I've got a 9 gig partition on a BSDI box, which holds my ftp mirror of debian, among other things. I want to be able to do local installs via nfs. So I fought my way through BSDI nfs config, and I can now mount the filesystem on most any server I choose. So far, so good. However, when I choose the 'nfs' method from dselect, it says my BSDI box isn't an nfs server. I think this has something to do with RPC. My guess is that Linux and BSDI are using different versions of RPC. Nope.. that shouldn't metter.. nfs is nfs. I'm sure if I read the right fm I can figure this out, but I'm a bit lost here - I've never delved into nfs or RPC at all :/ Any pointers as to which fm's to r? Just curious, if this is a virgin install, did you choose to install the nfs module? You need nfs support into kernel to be able to nfs mount anything. If this is a working installation, try running showmount -e your.nfs.server.com and see what it says. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It takes more hot water to make cold water hot than cold water to make hot water cold. Jon Blummer ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Server Questions (fwd)
Ossama Othman wrote:
I believe that you may be incorrect. We have someone running 2.0.33 with
SMP enabled since he has 2 Pentium II processors in his system. If you
need SMP, you will probably have to recompile the kernel source manually.
Do your make {menu,x}config (whichever you use). Then edit the top level
makefile (usually /usr/src/linux/Makefile) and remove the SMP comments so
that it looks like something like:
#
# For SMP kernels, set this. We don't want to have this in the config file
#because it makes re-config very ugly and too many fundamental files depend
# on CONFIG_SMP
#
# NOTE! SMP is experimental. See the file Documentation/SMP.txt
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SMP = 1
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# SMP profiling options
SMP_PROF = 1
Correct. We have a dual p5-200 running .29.
mail~ uptime
12:18pm up 110 days, 18:58h, 3 users, load average: 0.14, 0.12, 0.12
This moves many gigs of email, and handles thousands of pop3 hits a day,
and barely breaks a sweat, while doing the other things we are using the
box for..
Tim
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Re: Getting Started
iquest wrote: Hi, I've a Syquest (1.5 G) drive and I do not seem to be able to mount it onto any partition: mount /dev/sdca /syquest Always gave me some error on unknown ftype... Did I do something wrong? Thanks! Do you have a valid partition and filesystem created on the drive? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Pros are those who do their jobs well even when they don't feel like it. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Port Scanning
matthew tebbens wrote: Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ? I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 ! Firewalling or tcp_wrappers configured the right way. I heard that there is a portscand out there somewhere, if so where ? There is nmap in hamm that does the port scanning. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps A true friend knows who you are but likes you anyway. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Deltree command?
David Gaudine wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Daniel Martin at cush wrote: It's not rmdir, but just rm; rm -r is what you want - rm -rf does what you want without asking questions (Just plain rm -r will ask you about whether or not to delete files you don't have write access to). I hope I don't need to say how extremely dangerous these commands are, and how careful you should be when using them. For sure. In fact, I'd be careful about counting on rm -r to prompt you. -f or --force means no prompting, -i or --interactive means prompting, and I think the default is no prompting unless the noclobber environment variable is set. This may depend on the shell though. I just tried it with tcsh and noclobber didn't help. [checks the man page] [checks the info page] Aw heck, use -i. For my less-brains-than-a-brick users, I do: cat -i ^D in each dir that they normally work in. This way, when they 'accidentally' do 'rm -r' in the dir, it also evals the -i and prompts them for each file.. crude, but it works.. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Monday is a hard way to spend one-seventh of your life. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question - Hamm, Mgetty, PPP, wtmp - Arrgh!
Jeff Noxon wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 01:06:59PM -0600, Jeff Noxon wrote: I have three dial-in modems on my hamm box. They are all identical USR Couriers AFIAK, and their configuration *appears* to be the same. But one port always shows connect speed in wtmp, and the others do not: The modem settings are identical. The modem firmware revisions are identical. The mgetty configuration lines are the same. The inittab lines are the same. This is really bizarre. It used to work with bo, and one of my mgetty upgrades killed it a long time back. I asked back then, and nobody offered to help. So when you shuffle the modems around on the ports, does the same port show the speed, or the same modem? At least that should eliminate the possibility of differing modems. I just tried to shuffle modems. Only /dev/ttyC1 shows connect speeds. That rules out modem settings. That makes me thing you need to look at /etc/mgetty.config. Check the per-port init strings. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It works better if you plug it in. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question - Hamm, Mgetty, PPP, wtmp - Arrgh!
David Wright wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Jeff Noxon wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 04:33:58AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 01:06:59PM -0600, Jeff Noxon wrote: I have three dial-in modems on my hamm box. They are all identical USR Couriers AFIAK, and their configuration *appears* to be the same. But one port always shows connect speed in wtmp, and the others do not: The modem settings are identical. The modem firmware revisions are identical. The mgetty configuration lines are the same. The inittab lines are the same. This is really bizarre. It used to work with bo, and one of my mgetty upgrades killed it a long time back. I asked back then, and nobody offered to help. So when you shuffle the modems around on the ports, does the same port show the speed, or the same modem? At least that should eliminate the possibility of differing modems. We see this on our modems when the init is changed. There is a command to tell the modem to report the serial port speed or the connection speed. I can look it up tonight.. ACtually, I just looked at the USR manual online. You have to have ATX7 and make sure the dip switch 7 is set the same on all the modems. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps When in darkness or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
US Mutt in hamm
Bleh... the default behavior of mutt changed. Can anyone tell me how to make the latest mutt *not* move the read email to $HOME/mbox on exit? I can't find it in the docs. I'd like it to stay in the spool file. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps When in darkness or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: biff in bo
John Spence wrote: Does biff in bo work coz it biffin doesn't beep an if biff in bo is broke then biff in bo I will delete I've tried biff in bo with 'y' I've tried biff in bo with '-y' no biffin output does it show so poor wee biff is gonna go. Heh.. thanks for the laugh.. I needed it today. But, yes, bo's biff is busted. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps When in darkness or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
llug.sep.bnl.gov mirror
NOTICE: Starting Monday, 16-Feb, there will be no source for debian packages included in the mirror. I have completely ran out of disk space between the incoming stuff and the 2 full distributions. I am working on getting another drive for this system, but, since it serves no real purpose besides the ftp/nfs/http/fsp for Debian, I can't convince the people with the money to come up with more for another drive. Please bear with me as I work this out. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps To get maximum attention, it's hard to beat a good, big mistake. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: smail, HELO hostname without dot
joost witteveen wrote: The current debian smail (3.2.0.100-4) daemon does not accept HELO comands with non-fully qualified hostnames. See the following, rulvsa is not OK, whereas rulvsa.leidenuniv.nl is: $ telnet rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl 25 Trying 132.229.1.33... Connected to rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl. Escape character is '^]'. 220-rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl Smail-3.2.0.100 (#2 1998-Jan-13) ready at Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:43:17 +0100 (CET) 220 ESMTP supported HELO rulvsa 501 HELO requires a valid host name as operand: 'rulvsa' rejected from [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote address [132.229.1.77]: hostname must contain a '.'. HELO rulvsa.leidenuniv.nl 250 rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl Hello rulvsa.leidenuniv.nl ([EMAIL PROTECTED] from address [132.229.1.77]). The smail from bo still does accept the short hostnames. For this reason, some people are unable to send me email. Does anyone know who is breaking the RFC's? Is it our smail, or the mail clients that do things like HELO rulcmc? I believe that the RFC says you have to have a FQDN for HELO. I had to deal with this about 2.5 years agon when I was writing a MOO routine to send external mail. I'll have to see if I have the RFC or notes handy. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are Crunchy, and good with Catsup! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Compute Farm, Part II
I guess I didn't explain real well the first time, although I enjoyed the thread.. On this compute farm, they want to make changes to 1 machine, as in adding a package, changing a config file, etc and having the resultant changes reflected on the other 199 machines, without having to go to each machine and tweak it. Installing the machines will be a short, but intense process, but they are looking for long range admin solutions. Thanks, Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Nihil illegitemi carborvndvm. --anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compute Farm, Part II
Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Tim Sailer wrote: I guess I didn't explain real well the first time, although I enjoyed the thread.. On this compute farm, they want to make changes to 1 machine, as in adding a package, changing a config file, etc and having the resultant changes reflected on the other 199 machines, without having to go to each machine and tweak it. Installing the machines will be a short, but intense process, but they are looking for long range admin solutions. isn't this sort of thing precisely what cfengine is for? cfengine is available as a debian package. Doh! I knew there was something out there to do this. That's why I asked the list. Looks like my brain is full.. when something new goes in, something old leaks out.. :) rdist/rsync/ssh can also be useful for remote admin too... BTW, what makes them think that RH can do this any easier than debian? I have no idea. The guy who is spouting that nonsense is considered a 'loose canon', but he's very vocal, and attracted a lot of attention. [clip] Description: A tool for configuring and maintaining network machines The main purpose of cfengine is to allow the system administrator to create a single central file which will define how every host on a network should be configured. This is exactly what they need I think. Thanks to everyone for the pointers! Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps They tell me my job is easy... anyone can do it. Why doesn't anyone else want it? -- me ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Network
iquest wrote: Hi, I'm fairly new in setup network. I'd like to know is there any document that describe how to setup a network that has Linux, Windows/NT boxes. I think I'd like to be able to share files, printers, CDROM, etc on all these machines. Many thank in advance! Load and configure samba on your Linux box, and make sure your WindoesN'T box has TCP/IP running. You should be able to talk back and forth with little problem. Unless you are running one of the latest samba versions, you will have a problem with password authentication from NT to samba. There is a patch (a registry hack) to make NT use clear passwords floating around. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps They tell me my job is easy... anyone can do it. Why doesn't anyone else want it? -- me ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compute Farm, Part II
Behan Webster wrote: Lindsay Allen wrote: Tim, IIRC Brian White has advocated cfengine for this task. If I may, he advocated it because we used it here at Verisim to manage our workstations and servers. Unfortunately we found although it did work, it was rather clumsy, and didn't scale well in our environment. I have written a script (called cfile) which has all the functionality of what we had cfengine doing for us before. It needs a bit of a work (since we've been using it for 4 months we've noticed some places it could be improved). All in all though, it seems to do the trick of managing a small network of near identical machines (hardware wise). It can also specially configure certain machines to provide services (dns, web, ftp, etc). I am confident that it would scale much larger. Tim, if you are interested in seeing my developement code let me know. It's implementation will be taking a big change, but it's basic working will be the same. (i.e. the current version of cfile will give you an idea of it's capabilities and features). I plan on making a debian package of it once I am done my overhaul and make it even more generic (I want to use this same tool on my home network, here at Verisim, and on several other friend's networks). I'll pass the info along, Behan. Thanks. At this point, I'm not officially involved, although this may end up being a new job here at the Lab for me. For some reason, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' gets routed to my mailbox.. :) Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps They tell me my job is easy... anyone can do it. Why doesn't anyone else want it? -- me ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Modem /dev/cua vs /dev/ttyS (The Long, True answer to this reappearing question)
Steve Hsieh wrote: My problem is that if I use /dev/ttyS? instead of /dev/cua?, in the /usr/doc/ppp/examples/secure-card expect script, it doesn't work. That script has stuff like system stty 19200 -echoe -echo raw /dev/cua3 /dev/cua3 When using /dev/ttyS? instead, it won't return, whereas using cua does. Would you know how to fix this problem so that I can use /dev/ttyS? instead in scripts like these? Try adding -clocal to the above command and see what happens. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps The quality of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. G.B. Shaw ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: wanted packages
Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Is there any address where we can send our wishes to debian packages we would like to see created? Is there any address to consult for programs that can't (for any reason) have a .deb package? For instance, I would like to have .debs of: QSeeMe (the only cuseeme client I know of for linux) http://www.pangea.org/~mavilar/ Thats a good one. jacob (integrate emacs with the java compiler) http://mats.gmd.de:8080/clemens/jacob/ This one too. apache-ssl (the secure apache) http://www.apache-ssl.org/ Non-US site ssleay (encryption libs) http://www.psy.uq.oz.au/~ftp/Crypto/ Ditto fphone (free phone) http://www.inria.fr/rodeo/fphone/ Hrm.. haven't seen this one. hylafax (send faxes and pager messages) http://www.vix.com/hylafax/ This is in unstable I think. Xswallow (generic plug-in for netscape, allows any external viewer be swallowed inside netscape!) http://www.csn.ul.ie/~caolan/docs/Xswallow.html This is very cool and useful! It would make a great package. I never looked at the Copyright, etc... and some java packages, like: javamail jsdk swing These would be good ones too. Is swing distributable? I thought that was commercial... Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps The quality of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. G.B. Shaw ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Dial Script
Behan Webster wrote: Tim Sailer wrote: I have a web page that people can use to page me on my numeric pager. It uses a very stupid program (npage) to dial the phone. I was wondering if someone has a better way, maybe perl, chat, a well written C program, etc. to do this. I don't know if this is exactly what you're looking for, but the hylafax program includes support for sending both faxes and pages. Hylafax is a very cool system once you get it working. It might be too much for your needs however. Yup.. I know Hylafax.. since it was FlexFax.. I was a beta tester for Sam Leffler on $CO Unix many years ago. It's way overkill for my needs. Right now, the command line I run to page myself looks like: beep -n 555-1212555-1313 /dev/ttyS1 This will dial 555-1212, pause for 2 secs, (hoping the other end picks up) and enters 555-1313 as the number that will show up on the pager. The program has no concept of busy, no dialtone, etc... it looks for nothing from the modem.. it just talks blind to it. Maybe I'll rape some code out of mgetty.. dunno... Tim PS: Maybe kermit can be coerced into doing this.. -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Paranoia is a heightened state of awareness. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Compute Farm
The powers-that-be around here have almost decided to scrap Slowaris x86 for the 200 machine PPro compouter farm, and go with Linux... I need to convince them to use Debian and not RH. They want to be able to configure 1 machine and mirror the setup to each machine in the farm, without having to go to each of the remaining 199 and configure it by hand. Someone told them that RH made this easy, and no other dist could do it! Someone help me out here! This will be running the RHIC project in 1999 here.. I'd love to see Debian get that kind of exposure! Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Too much information running through my brain, too much information, driving me insane. -- The Police ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compute Farm
Stephen Carpenter wrote: Tim Sailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They want to be able to configure 1 machine and mirror the setup to each machine in the farm, without having to go to each of the remaining 199 and configure it by hand. Someone told them that RH made this easy, and no other dist could do it! Well...there are many many ways to do itand it depends on what the setup is How homogeneous are the machines? They are going to be almost identical. for the most partif the hardware on em isn't terribly strange... it would be littl emore than an issue of mirroring 1 hard drive image over to all of the machines With a network setup that could be quite easy Hell I just recently was moving from one PC to another and I did a Drag and Dropjust took out the hard drive and pu tit in the new machine and boom...up came linux once the BIOS was happy (486/DX66 from a 486SX/25 system...differnt amount of RAM, diff vid card...) There is apcakage in debian that I have not played with but saw...which allows you to setup 1 computer andinstall the package,... then it makes a boot disk...goto any machine..pop in the boot disk... no install..instant workstation! and it is setup to do everything the server can do (by default) then come questions...is there going to be a single network filesystem? for the most part (as per the FHS) you should be able to share /usr beween all machines (assuming the same rchitecture of course) same for /home etc Suposedly redhat kickstart is suposed to be able to automate this... but with a tiny bit more work it should be very easily doable with debian All that would work if you wanted to take the machines offline to do that, but these machines are going to be handling 30MB/min of streaming data for 6 months at a clip. There's no way that would work. :( hmmm just a slightly evil thought anyone tried cat /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 assuming hda1 and hdb1 are similar partition sizes and types Tried it... doesnt work. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Nihil illegitemi carborvndvm. --anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Help (my first crash)
Christopher Judd wrote: I'm a relative newcomer to linux (used Amiga's for years). I've been running a bo system for about six months. This morning the system crashed and will not boot from the hard disk. I booted from the rescue disk but cannot mount /hda3 (/hda1=w95, /hda2=swap). e2ckfs reports a bad superblock. Is there a way to create a new superblock so that I can mount this drive? You have backup superblocks on the disk for just this reason. You can try e2fsck -b 8192 /dev/hda3 and see if that helps. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Paranoia is a survival mechanism. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Dial Script
I have a web page that people can use to page me on my numeric pager. It uses a very stupid program (npage) to dial the phone. I was wondering if someone has a better way, maybe perl, chat, a well written C program, etc. to do this. Thanks, Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Paranoia is a heightened state of awareness. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Using mgetty automated callback, and the NO CARRIER message.
David Wright wrote: I have a chatscript to do callback, which looks like this. ABORTBUSY ABORTNO CARRIER - ABORTVOICE ABORTNO DIALTONE ATZ OK ATL1 OK ATDT5551212 ogin:\qmagic-login-id\q RING ata ogin: The problem is that if I leave in the arrowed line, it won't work. When I (or it) type magic-login-id, the other end hangs up so that it can call me back, but my modem says NO CARRIER at this point, which aborts the script. Is there a trick to avoid this. (If not, I guess I'll just have to leave it out.) I'm not sure of why this is.. I thought the \q codes would prevent the secret callback username from appearing in syslog, but it looks like this. Why? Take out the trailing \q.. that turns the echo back on. -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Have you ever seen an atom, Little bits of everything floating by, Take a good look at them, Collectively they compose all you see including your eye - Whoops - Blues Traveler ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
Lal Dissanayake Jnr wrote: Hi all, Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking for the best, not something for newbies. Since you are asking on a Debian list, no one is going to point you to RH, Slackware, or anything else.. :) Debian is the *best*. Also, which X windows server would go best with a Millenium 2 card? I'm not sure which server, if any(not counting the commercial ones) supports the Millenium2. I have no direct experience with it. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Great successes are built on taking your negatives and turning them around. -- Sumner Redstone ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question for SysAdmins re: Debian, C++
Steven Morrill wrote: Hello All, I am interested in learning system administration and security. After looking at some of the system administration related sites, it looks like I need to have a knowledge of is C++, among other things. Are the any Debian packages where I can start some sort of self-tutorial? I'm kind of doing this on my own.. (that's probably obvious :-) Anyway, if someone could make a recommendation or two on where I should start, I'd certainly appreciate it! I personally never use c++. I use perl, bash, c, tcl.. in that order. Perl is an admins best friend.. :) Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. - Warren Buffett ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debians /etc/rc.local?????
A. M. Varon wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: [I hope some Debian Developers are reading this.] Could it be possible to have the rc.local file by default in the Debian Distro? Actually, no... it will never get run, even if you create it. Debian uses SYSV style init, whenere rc.local is from BSD style init. Slackware uses this. Whatever you need to run, the easiest is to create a quick script and drop it in the /etc/rc.boot dir Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It takes all kinds, and to each his own. This thought in mind, I walk alone. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: another question about upgrading libc5 to libc6
Scott Ellis wrote: Maybe someone else has an easier way? Yes, there is now a script a http://stormcrow.ml.org/pub/debian/autoup/autoup.sh that will download all the necessary core packages mentioned in my upgrade howto, remove all the old -dev packages, and install the new stuff in the exact order necessary. Huh.. I just tried this on a machie at home, and the script failed because debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/base/ contains no libc5*.deb files. On any mirror that I could find. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Very Pete Townshendish. Who? Exactly. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: another question about upgrading libc5 to libc6
Joost Kooij wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Tim Sailer wrote: Huh.. I just tried this on a machie at home, and the script failed because debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/base/ contains no libc5*.deb files. On any mirror that I could find. Try looking in oldlibs/ Tip: in directory binary-i386, type dir */package* to show the subdir that holds the package. :) Yes, I actually knew that, but the script didn't. I guess that was the point I was trying to make. Sorry about being obscure. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Very Pete Townshendish. Who? Exactly. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
autoup.sh
A few thing... libpthread0 needs to be removed, or libc6 doesn't install libg++ needs to be removed, or libg++272 Does libc6-dev need to be installed? I'm adding it, but I don't know. I can have a hacked and working autoup.sh for ftp in about 30 mins if the machine gets upgraded correctly.. :) Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Very Pete Townshendish. Who? Exactly. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SMTP refusal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just upgraded to hamm and now I can't get incoming smtp connections, I'm using fetchmail to get my mail from my ISP and smail, I can telnet in on 23 and another port where I have a telnet-based service running but all connections to 23 are refused. port 23 is telnet and port 25 is smtp. Can you telnet to port 25? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Time flies like an arrow... Fruit Flies like a Banana! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Webmail ... a script for a pop3 server?
Michael \[badpixel/bad sector\] wrote: Hi! I have this pop3/smtp mailserver and would like to give users access to their pop3 mailboxes + send emails via. their webbrowser. Just like hotmail. It just doesn't have to be that advanced... Users just need to be able to login, read their mail, and send emails Is it possible? ... for free? :) check out: http://www.endymion.com/portfolio/software/scripts/mailman.htm It's a single perl script, and a single conf file. I had to hack it a little to make it work on fast machines.. :) Script would recycle so fast, it still found the pop lock file, and choked. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps What if there were no hypothetical situations? ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How to share files with Win95 or NT
Cox wrote: How do I get files off Win NT or 95 machines across my LAN. I have TCP/IP running. Install samba and use smbclient to go to your share on the box. Or, compile the kernel with smb support and use smbmount to mount the remote share locally. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How to share files with Win95 or NT
Cox wrote: See, the problem is I have a computer with no CD. I have a network card= and I am behind a corporate fire wall. I can not get dselect to work= through my firewall so I thought if I set up a CD on a win95 box as= shareable then I might get dselect to work that way. But I don't have samba on this box, I just have the basic install files. Ah... IIRC, you can set up the NT ftpd, as broken as it is, and point your CD somewhere in the ftp tree. Then you can use the ftp method of dselect. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How to share files with Win95 or NT
Cox wrote: No, I can't get dselect ftp to work throught my firewall. I can manually ftp but dselect gets stuck. I have been trying to get= dselect to work for three days with no good help from the user-list. So now I am trying to figure out a way to copy the files or run dselect= from a shared CD off of one of my windows computers. I thought your NT box was on your side of the firewall. Sorry, I miss understood. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Interrupts and serial ports
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You talk about a JDR Microdevices card with 4 ports. is it supported by linux??? How much does it cost??? Because I could use some more ports at a communication box at work, which should run Debian, if everything goes right. AST used to make a 4 port card that used 1 interrupt. There are a few clones out there. DFI makes/made one, and I think JDR does too. The setserial script has support for the cards. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: device /dev/hdh does not exist....
Pure Energy wrote: I have just compiled into the kernel my cdrom and reading this the system does in fact find it on boot (am i correct??) hdh: probing with STATUS instead of ALTSTATUS hdh: MATSHITA CR-581, ATAPI CDROM drive Now if i put a cd in the drive and try to mount it i get the following.. Root [~]#mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdh /cdrom mount: special device /dev/hdh does not exist I was told that i need a script to enable/create devices this high (is this correct??) and if so where/what is it? I've been a debian user now for 2 year and have never successfully had a cd-rom working on my system and would really like now. Any help/suggestions here would be appreciated. Thanx. cd /dev ./MAKEDEV hdh Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Management decisions have no effect on the laws of physics. -- anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Card and Drivers for v.35
Anthony Landreneau wrote: Greetings, I am looking to use several debian systems as routers for a small network that I am building. What I need is a card that will give me a V.35 interface that will allow me to plug into my RAD modems. If anyone out there is using such a card, or can recommend a card I would be most appreciative. We have successfully used SDL wan cards for a number of years. http://www.sdlcomm.com Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps A desk is a dangerous place from which to view the world. -- John le Carre' ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian ftp crashes redhat
Joey Hess wrote: Berni Ernst wrote: A RedHat Linux box (2.0.30) kernel panic: skpush: under: 001a4bf0:2 in swapper task - not syncing. Have you tried a newer kernel? I had my machine crash several times when I was using 2.0.30, with this error message. (I upgraded to the 2.1 kernels, and the problem went away, it might be fixed in 2.0.33 too.) I have a client (an ISP in Maine) that keeps getting a skput error, even on a 2.0.33 kernel. This machien is running a web server (Roxen) and squid. I wonder if it is a max files problem.. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It's easy to make a buck. It's a lot tougher to make a difference. - Tom Brokaw ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there an archive of this list?
Ian wrote: Hi, I am *really* new to this list and I'm having problems installing Linux. Is there an archive of this list I could browse? Or can anyone tell me why I get endless hdc irq timeout messages (cdrom) when I try to install? If it is a NEC or Toshiba 8X or 12X CDRom, it's a problem with those models. I've returned a few of them, and smashed one on the floor in frustration about 0300 one morning. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It's easy to make a buck. It's a lot tougher to make a difference. - Tom Brokaw ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc5 to libc6 auto-upgrade script
Igor Grobman wrote: This version should be close to good enough. The major change since the last one that was posted is the ability to upgrade from files in the current dir instead of a local mirror requirement. llug.sep.bnl.gov is a public nfs mount for debian. You can point the scripts there if they are net connected too. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Nothing is work unless you'd rather be doing something else. - George Halas ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: install image too large for floppy
Eric White wrote: I'd like to install from floppies, but some of the disk images are larger than 1.44 mb. Resc1440.bin and drv1440.bin both copy to my hd at 1,474,560 bytes. Formatting a HD floppy give me 1,457,663 bytes available. Any help? Sure.. use the 'rawrite' program or dd (if you have linux or unix). Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Actually, I *do* know everything. I just don't get paid enough to show it. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ms exploer anyone?
Paul McDermott wrote: hi everyone, happy belated holidays. Has anyone got the new micro$oft internet explorer to work yet. Does anyone want to? I was just asking. Please don't flame me. I hate micro$oft and especially that bill guy who runs it about as much as the next debian user. Is it available for Linux? The last I knew, it was there for win95, windoesn't, and slowaris.. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It takes all kinds, and to each his own. This thought in mind, I walk alone. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: a count-down timer?
Douglas Bates wrote: This may be a leading candidate in the dumbest question ever asked on debian-user contest but does anyone know of a program in some package that provides a count-down timer? That is, I want to set a time of 5 minutes and start the timer then have it pop up a window or ring the bell or do something to alert me when the five minutes is up. There are many programs such as rclock that can alert me at a specific time on a specific day but I want to be able to say five minutes from now without a lot of hassle. Emacs-based solutions are welcome as are more elegant versions of sleep 5m; echo ^G at now + 5m should do what you want, or the program 'remind' Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It takes all kinds, and to each his own. This thought in mind, I walk alone. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: reading HOWTO files
Greg Norris wrote: I have had great success, so far installing and configuring my Debian system. However, I cannot access the HOWTO files. They are in /usr/doc/HOWTO and are gz. How can I read them? Thank you. try gzip -dc somefile.gz|less zless file.gz is a lot less keystrokes! :) Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Time flies like an arrow... Fruit Flies like a Banana! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Real world temperature inputs?
Stan Brown wrote: Is anyone aware of any temperature and or humidity sensor boars that hev Linux drivers, preferably debianized? I have just moved into a new house, and would like to measure some values. I'm interested in this too. I am trying to develop a diskless system using Linux for Met monitoring stations. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Time flies like an arrow... Fruit Flies like a Banana! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Install debian with serial port as console?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Larry Owens wrote: Does anyone know if it is possible to install debian on a PC that does not have a video card or keyboard? I would like to set up a linux system that would use a modem attatched to a serial port as the only console. Hi Larry! Does a PC work without a keyboard??? Mine is allways complaining about a Keyboard Failure when I do not have a keyboard connected! On a lot of systems, in the BIOS you can choose 'No Keyboard' or 'Halt on no error' to just blow by the 'missing' keyboard. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It is a damned poor mind indeed that can't think of at least two ways of spelling any word. Andrew Jackson ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian on CD.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim, your comments are inappropriate. Let me assure you that there is no fraud at all here. The number of website hits that www.debian.org I never claimed there was. I was just stating that it was a way to get a response. Obviously, it worked. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are Crunchy, and good with Catsup! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian on CD.
Alexander Stavitsky wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Cleto Pescia wrote: For now, the only thing I can tell you for sure is that you should *NOT* buy the Debian CDs from Greenbush Technologies Corp. (www.greenbush.com). I ordered the official CD set in September by filling out their secure on-line form, they charged my credit card (at least that is what I've seen on my bank's reports), but never shipped anything... I sent them e-mail twice ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), politely asking them what was going on, but never got an answer. Maybe I should have sent them a fax as well, but you really expect a company with an online ordering system to have some way to read its e-mail... I had exactly the same problem with Greenbush. They don't seem to answer on polite emails, but they/he do react on the impolite ones. I've subscribed to four monthly CD's in April and so far have only received 2. If you can write a really nasty email they will probably send something. Also, gettingg the Postmaster General involved for Mail Fraud or Wire Fraud (charging for something not shipped of charging before an item is shipped) is a sure way to get a response too. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps They tell me my job is easy... anyone can do it. Why doesn't anyone else want it? -- me ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP Server Almost a Reality
G. H. wrote: Well... The PPP Server is almost working, still having one problem. When connecting to the Debian box with WIN95, Debian keeps giving a PAP authentication failure for username and then proceeds to disconnect WIN95. I don't have Shadow passwords enabled and the name and password is valid. Anyone have any ideas what's going on? Uh, we need a little more info on your setup. What are you using to answer the modem? (mgetty, uugetty, portslave, etc). Are you using radius or straight d pap? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps The quality of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. G.B. Shaw ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: couldn't match host name or address
Martin Bialasinski wrote: On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Aaron Walker wrote: When I try to dial my ISP using /etc/ppp.chatscript in my ppp.log file I get this message: Dec 24 09:52:42 speedy chat[827]: ATDT7454342(a carrot goes here)M Dec 24 09:52:42 speedy chat[827]: Couldn't match host name or address - please try again(carrot goes here)M Do you use pon to connect? Check if you have debug in /etc/ppp.options_out (or was it in /etc/ppp/options ? Better put it in both files, I don't recall if pon uses them both). This will give more verbose messages. I think he is using pap, and pap-secrets doesn't match the hostname. BTW: What does (carrot goes here) mean? He means ^M Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Nihil illegitemi carborvndvm. --anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Setting up a PPP Server
G. H. wrote: I've been searching 2+ days in information on setting up Debian as a Dial-In PPP Server and have found NOTHING! Sure there's plenty of info on hooking up Debian to an ISP. But I want Debian to BE an ISP. All I need is support for 2 incoming lines to connect us to our TCP/IP Network and Internet connection. Can someone help me out with this? I would be very thankful and could possibly send you some of the hair that I've pulled out!! ;) http://www.buoy.com/isp would be a start. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. -- George Benson The Greatest Love of All ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: NFS
Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Thu, Dec 25, 1997 at 09:01:38AM -0500, Tim Sailer wrote: Comment the ALL:PARANOID line in /etc/hosts.deny and try it again You put me on the right track with that; once I added portmap, rpc.nfsd and rpc.mountd to /etc/hosts.allow, it works. The manual page for portmap does mention that it is protected by the tcp_wrapper library. I guess I assumed tcp wrappers weren't involved because it wasn't run through tcpd. Misconfigured tcp_wrappers is a major support issue with me. We are building a set of pages for our usergroup to help people out. I'm advising (for what it's worth) for people to log tcp_wrapper output to a separate file so it's easier to locate, otherwise it can get lost in the noise of a busy syslog. http://llug.sep.bnl.gov if anyone is interested. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Management decisions have no effect on the laws of physics. -- anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP dialup. :(.
Timothy Hospedales wrote: In X, I startup minicom, dial, and login manually. It then tells me that it has started PPP and to start my PPP, whereupon it starts displaying the usual garbage. I open a bash term and type pppd, and it starts displaying its garbage. I open another bash term, and try to ping my ISP's domain server, and it tells me that the network is unreachable. :(. Afew seconds later, minicom hungup. This is normal, considering the way you are trying to do it. Read on... /etc/ppp/options debug /dev/ttyS0 38400 modem crtscts lock connect /etc/ppp/ppp-connect asyncmap 0 defaultroute Then I try again, going through the same process as described before. This time, my PPP doesn't output anything, pinging the DNS server's IP still generates a network unreachable message, I still get hungup, and the PPP log also says: Dec 24 23:10:28 jade pppd[350]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 Dec 24 23:10:28 jade pppd[350]: Device ttyS0 is locked by pid 321 Dec 24 23:10:28 jade pppd[350]: Exit. You are closer here. ttyS0 is locked by your minicom session. Forget minicom. All the info you need to dial should be in /etc/ppp/ppp-connect. Edit that file and put in the info needed, and then simply type pppd as root at a shell prompt. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps You cannot paint the 'Mona Lisa' by assigning one dab each to a thousand painters. -- William F. Buckley, Jr. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: NFS
Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, Dec 24, 1997 at 02:29:19PM -0500, Tim Sailer wrote: When I have NFS problems, I resort to using 'showmount -e system.com' from each machine to the other, just to make sure what is exported is what I think it is.. bash-2.00# showmount yodeller mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered :-( But rpcinfo on yodeller says portmap, mountd and nfsd ARE running, and so does ps. Comment the ALL:PARANOID line in /etc/hosts.deny and try it again Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Have you ever seen an atom, Little bits of everything floating by, Take a good look at them, Collectively they compose all you see including your eye - Whoops - Blues Traveler ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP dialup. :(.
Timothy Hospedales wrote: Okay Thanks! I will try the script... one thing though, when I login to my ISP manually, I have to press ENTER afew times before the login prompt comes up, how do I tell a script to send ENTER? you would include \r in the string you are sending. Just FYI, everything works in pairs of lookfor send so, if you are trying to watch for your login prompt, then send your userid you'd have something like: oginmy_id You can also have 'sub-pairs' of 'expect'/'send' like this for hitting enter a few times: ogin--ogin--ogin--ogin--oginmy_id The chat program will look for ogin, not seeing it send what is after the - , which in this case is nothing, so will send a CR, then watch for ogin , etc until it gets to the end of the string. If it sees ogin anywhere in that sequence, it will drop out and send my_id. If you find you really need to send the \r, you should make the sequence look like this: ogin-\r-ogin-\r-ogin-\r-ogin my_id Tim PS: This is all bringing back horrible memories of HDB uucp -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Have you ever seen an atom, Little bits of everything floating by, Take a good look at them, Collectively they compose all you see including your eye - Whoops - Blues Traveler ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: NFS
George Bonser wrote: 1) What is in your /etc/exports? 2) also, debian runs a number of rcp services out of inetd so make sure /etc/hosts.allow and .deny are set up correctly. 3) You can client -- server does not work, do you mean that the server is unable to mount a client drive? Does it give an error? When I have NFS problems, I resort to using 'showmount -e system.com' from each machine to the other, just to make sure what is exported is what I think it is.. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps You cannot paint the 'Mona Lisa' by assigning one dab each to a thousand painters. -- William F. Buckley, Jr. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: booting single, writable?
George Bonser wrote: One trick is NOT to use emergency mode. The better way is to do: mount -n -o rw,remount / Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps You have not converted a man because you have silenced him. - John Morley ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is `Okidata 6e' page printer a `Windows-based' printer?
Charles Read wrote: Following the Print-HOWTO, I did this from root: # cat /etc/printcap /dev/lp1 My printer's LED blinked, with no further response after. /proc/devices shows that lp exists; `dmesg | grep lp' shows that my printer is recognized at port 0x378 (the IRQ should be 7, but I could not verify this from Linux). QUESTION: Does this mean my printer is `Windows-based', ie, unusable under Linux? [If not, is there some other way to determine an answer to this question?] I think that this laser printer has the same 'problem' as the rest. Linux will only send a linefeed by default when the line ends, and the next one starts. This only advances the printing down to the next line, but at the same spot it stopped printing. This creates the classic 'stairstep' effect. DOS on the otherhand, sends a carriage return, which sends the printing position to the beginning of the line, and then does the linefeed to start the new line. Simply catting to the device is a good start, since you saw the printer blink. Try installing magicfilter or apsfilter and you should be in business. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. - Warren Buffett ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
kernel panic
I have a machine running (sorta) that with kernel 2.0.29 runs fine for a long time, but with .30 or .32, it panics after a few hours with errors on the screen something about SKPUT (I dnd't get a chance to write them down.). Nothing gets written to the logs. Does anyone have a pointer? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Actually, I *do* know everything. I just don't get paid enough to show it. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ifconfig alias option
Markus Diesmann wrote: Hi, floowing O'Reilly's Apache book I treid to set up second IP adress for a debian linux system. It seems that debian's implementation of ifconfig does not support the alias option. Is this true? Does anybody know how I can make system with one ethernet board listen to two IP addresses in the same domain? First, you have to compile your kernel with ip aliasing in it. Reboot with your shiny new kernel. Then run something like this: /sbin/ifconfig eth0:1 yourdomain.com /sbin/route add -host yourdomain.com dev eth0:1 Tim PS: I'll be adding this to my ISP page, along with ip_accounting for the virtual interfaces. -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Everything's better when wet. Steve Miller - Jungle Love ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ifconfig alias option
Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim Sailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, you have to compile your kernel with ip aliasing in it. Reboot with your shiny new kernel. Then run something like this: /sbin/ifconfig eth0:1 yourdomain.com /sbin/route add -host yourdomain.com dev eth0:1 PS: I'll be adding this to my ISP page, along with ip_accounting for the virtual interfaces. I read that it's just a little bit faster and cleaner to do /sbin/route add -host yourdomain.com dev lo ^^ You might want to look into that. Hmm.. I'll have to take a good look at that. But, doing that may void any firewalling or accounting for that virtual interface. Then again, if you don't care about that Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Everything's better when wet. Steve Miller - Jungle Love ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Pager utility or script?
Orn E. Hansen wrote: Kevin J Poorman writes: Hi, I am looking for a way to allow my computer to dial a pager and send the number ... I was wondering if anyone had a way to do this via a shell script or maybe there is a pager program ?... Debian Package? Sam Leffler's program HylaFAX(tm) is supposed to be able to do this... That does work, but it's overkill. On my ISP page, you can find a stupid little util to do just that. I have it hooked to a web page so folks can page me. The one strange thing about it is, if mgetty is active on the tty, it works. If portslave is on the tty, it hangs, and never dials. Tim PS: http://www.buoy.com/isp for the page -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps You may be right, I may be crazy Billy Joel ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /etc/lilo.conf not taking my append line
Terrence Brannon wrote: I am using debian 1.3.1. I recently upgraded to 128M ram from 32M ram. If I type Linux mem=128m then the memory is recognized (as indicated by top). However, if I add an append line to my /etc/lilo.conf as shown below, my machine boots with only 64M available, which is more than 32M, but not accurate. boot=/dev/hda2 root=/dev/hda2 compact install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal delay=20 image=/vmlinuz label=Linux append = mem=128m ^ I believe that has to be a Capital M read-only Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. Kansas - Dust in the Wind ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: AMD K6
Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: So if you get a new chip then it shouldn't have any problems? Yes, but talking quite frankly with the techs there, they said the fastest they are turning them back around is 7-9 weeks. 2 months without a CPU?? a couple of things: a) the buggy chips are no longer avaialable. True, but there are a lot still out there. b) it really isn't significant. It only occurs in *really* obscure places. I'm not sure that anybody saw it in linux save during kernel compiles untell they went seriously looking. I was getting kernel panics until I added 'append=mem=32M' into lilo.conf on a 64MB machine. This was while the machine was servering up just web stuff. c) i have'nt looked for a few weeks, but the hardware newsgroups were reporting almost instant turn-around. As well as the ability, if you lived nearby, to walk it through. I live in NY, so that was out of the question. It runs fine in winders95 with 64MB RAM though.. shrug Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps The squeaky wheel gets the grease, but gets changed at the next opportunity if it squeaks habitually. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mke2fs capacity (where did it go!?)
matthew tebbens wrote: Thats over 250megs of tables and internal structures ? Wow... There is also 5% reserved for root, unless you specified otherwise Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps The squeaky wheel gets the grease, but gets changed at the next opportunity if it squeaks habitually. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: smail not starting on boot
Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: After a few attempts, smail finally runs, but fails to start on boot as it is supposedly configured to do. /etc/init.d/smail does exist. Is there something else I need to look at? I believe that by default, smail is run out of inetd (/etc/inetd.conf). Telnet to port 25 of your box and see if it responds. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Very Pete Townshendish. Who? Exactly. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian on Aptiva
Folks, Has anyone installed Debian on an IBM Aptiva L5H? I have a user here that wants to get one, but only if Linux will install and run with little hassle. Thanks, Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It is a damned poor mind indeed that can't think of at least two ways of spelling any word. Andrew Jackson ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
DCE for Linux?
Here at BNL, we have the RHIC project ( a super collider ) going online in '99. The folks that are specing out what to do with the data (50MB/min for 4000 hrs/yr) are using big Sparc SMP iron, and HPSS, a big tape farm to hold the raw data. The data first goes to a 30TB cache of fiber-channel drives, then spools to the tapes. They are looking to incorporate Linux as nodes on this monster. HPSS is based on DCE/DFS, so I was asked to find a DCE product for Linux. Does anyone have pointers, or, even better, experience? Thanks, Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It is a damned poor mind indeed that can't think of at least two ways of spelling any word. Andrew Jackson ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Removal of debian usenet gateway
Christoph Lameter wrote: Just ask and the gateway will be gone. I did this because I thought this would be of benefit to the project. If you want to make Debian smaller and make it difficult for people to access information about the project then that is your problem. The gateway was set up after approval by Bruce. On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Ian Jackson wrote: Bruce or Pete: please make an executive decision that our mailing lists are not to be gatewayed to generally-distributed newsgroups. Alternatively, Christoph could just stop, but I doubt he will. Is there a problem with them being gatewayed? I find them very useful Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps What if there were no hypothetical situations? ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
TShirts
Just in time for the holidays, I still have some 'unofficial' Debian tshirts left. Take a look at http://www.buoy.com/~tps/tshirt Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Paranoia is a heightened state of awareness. -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
mrtg
Has anyone gotten mrtg to work with the aliased eth interfaces? I'm trying to get mrtg to plot traffic stats on our virtual web server which has interfaces like eth0:0, eth0:1, etc. It doesn't see them, just eth0. Am I asking the impossible? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Everything's better when wet. Steve Miller - Jungle Love ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
